/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3267723
i've fucked a lot of bitches

>>3267723
I don't have a social life

>>3267737
This.

I'm a weirdo even in an art school

>>3267723
I can’t draw

>>3267723
Mad pussy brah

>>3267723
I see others as a collection of boxes and ellipses. I haven't felt any attraction to anyone in a couple years

>>3267723
I can't draw. Not being able to do so makes me constantly angry, depressed and suicidal.

>>3267723
Well, for the first 2 years I was basically a hermit and instead of playing basketball I did art all day so my social life actually deteriorated because of that. I also gained a lot of weight and girls lost interest. But currently I work out regularly while balancing art and work. I'm taking a drawing and painting class next semester so I can meet artists in real life. I think it will enhance my social life now that I have better time management.

>>3267723
No change.
Instead of staying inside playing video games all day now I just draw instead.

>>3267723
Knowing that there is this one thing that I'm 97% of the time the best in the room at has seriously boosted my confidence in my own worth.

>>3267737
>>3267741
>>3267776
These three all apply to me, especially the box thing.

>>3267723
My friends all bitch at me when I want to draw instead of play Dota.

>>3267737
>>3267741
>>3267776
>>3267779
>>3267784

>>3267723
I am still not quite at the point where I want to be.
As a result of my effort to get better I became more of a recluse than I already was and since I am always unhappy with my drawings I never show anything to anyone.

So basically, it didn't change much.
But I am still motivated to keep going.

People keep asking me if I can draw a tattoo design for them as though I'm confident enough to draw something someone's gonna have stuck on them for the rest of their life.

>>3267723
Obsess over the fundamentals and getting better. /ic/ is the truest art pill.
>hang out with other people for an hour or two
>could be time spent getting good
>play video games the whole day
>will get left behind by other people who decided to draw all day

it ruined my life more than improved , i am now getting mad all the time if i get stuck in a place with people who are lesser than me at art , i usually tend to leave my workplaces really fast because improvement in what i do ( i work as a tattoo artist ) can't really hold friendships or anything because of it , i'm thinking of isolating myself back into my small home village , where life was simple and i enjoyed just painting

>>3267864
the things is just plowing through so many people's skin and hearing them just talk about their shit just made me hate people and human contact , there are days even months where i wish i was just alone , go fishing painting and stuff like that just by myself , it ruined my perception about people , it showed me how shallow and sick in the mind people really are , they don't care about the work you are putting there for them , they just do it because it looks cool , fuck this world , il go back to my village and paint till i die

>>3267723
To the extent that I can impress nearly anyone remotely interested in art that offers a moment of attention, sure. Unless you cultivate an artsy social life, though, others will inevitably see it as a hobby you are very good at. Like bowling or some shit. Unless you are a professional, and then they'll see it as a job.

>>3267852
You need to hang out with different people, anon

>>3267723
Every sketch, doodle, gesture, or fundamentals study, I make gets normies to fawn over my work and drop jaws. This sounds like a non-issue at a surface level but it's so easy to fall into a state of complacency that I'm always on edge and hard on myself. The only other artists I'm ever around are people I've inspired to draw who look to me for info on improving, which is nice but I feel alone in combination with my reclusive nature and social withdrawals. I don't feel like I fit in with anyone but they all love to hang out with me and ask me to do things with them when I'd rather be to myself drawing.

TL;DR, I'm surrounded by genuinely good people with social lives and not enough introverted artists.

>>3268801
In the future you might reflect back on this and regret not spending time socializing with the people interested in having you as company.
A lot of people would take what you have.

I socialize with a couple of friends. None of them are artists or know anything about art. It's some what aggravating.

The only other person I know who paints is really fucking bad at it but thinks he is the greatest thing. He knows nothing about art history, nothing about art theory, nothing about aesthetic philosophy, and shits on every other artist whose work he saw. He was allowed to hang a few of his paintings in a little local cafe, asked for ridiculous prices, and didn't realize that literally everyone laughed at him. Seriously, everyone thought it was a joke. Even a mutual friend of ours who wouldn't say a single bad word about anybody said it wasn't any good. He eventually had a mental breakdown because he was an irresponsible moron that had let shit build up because he thought there would be literally no consequences to any of the stupid shit he did. Turns out, there are consequences for your actions, you get drunk and wreck your car? Yeah, you're gonna get a DWI. You let your pet roam around free and unsupervised with your doors open? Yeah, it's gonna get out and run away. You alienate everyone by constantly talking down to them and calling them idiots? Yeah, they're gonna stop hanging out with you. You refuse to get a job ever? Yeah, you're gonna eventually be unemployable. You constantly ask your parents for money to pay your bills? Yeah, they're gonna treat you like a child.

>>3269140
wait that sounds too much like me......
where do you live??

In grade school whenever we had a group project involving drawing, everyone would ask me to be in their group. But nobody wanted to even look at me any other time ;__;

>>3267852
I always say yes to those because I'm egoistical and I like the idea of putting my mark on other people's body

>>3267723
I'll have to get a social life and learn how to draw before answering that.

>>3269197
The US, you?

>>3267864
if I had to do my commissions while next to the client I would give up too

>>3267723
nothing has changed

if i was not/able to draw my social life would be exactly the same

I don't really have a social life anymore. Marko Djurdjevic told me people will come once I get better. They never did and his career is so out of this world now, he doesn't even bother talking to people like me anymore. Other artists in my area aren't interested in meeting up and I feel like the pros are very cliquey in general. Not that they're mean to me but it doesn't take much to notice their disinterest. For example, I remember going to a local concept art studio to pick up some equipment they got me as payment for a freelance gig I worked on. I told them I was coming the day before. I knew the manager, even met with the team once and they seemed to like me but when I arrived at the studio nobody was there. I was told they just left minutes ago. They left because they didn't want to deal with me for some reason or another. One of the most soulcrushing experiences I've had. I kind of idolized a few of their team members but I can take a hint so I never spoke to them again. They're pretty dominant people in the industry by now and I get anxiety whenever I read about them.

I'm seriously considering switching careers. It's my dream job but I've been alone for so long now, I'm having major issues with depression and I'm beginning to abuse alcohol as well. I'm having a tough time forcing myself to do studies and such now as well and I generally feel like my work is getting worse. Not to mention that I haven't had a relationship in years. I'm almost 30 now and I probably need to go back to school or something. This shit blows

>>3271943
Maybe it was just a small mistake

test

>>3271943
Total bullshit or you have a really shitty personality flaw.

>>3267737
>>3267738
Same.

>>3267787
This but not exacly. It doens't give me confidence, it just boosts my will to live a little bit when I'm depressed

>>3271943
How do you actually know they left because of you?

>>3267723
>It would be important to mention that I failed a test to get into an animation program in college and I go to that same college to start my core classes so I would get a smaller workload if I ever get in.

This shit happens every time I talk to normies:
"wow, you draw? can you draw me?"
"you're not into animation? you look like someone who would be"
As for when I talk to other fellow artists:
"wow anon, your stuff is really good! you'll get into animation next year, I'm sure of it!"
No crits or anything.
Don't get me wrong, compliments are nice, but critiques are more helpful.

>>3269197

>>3272593
You have to tell them you want critique then, what kind of idiot is going to give your critique right off the bat. I never give critique anymore if not told to do so because that turns people bitter so fast.

>>3272595
>what kind of idiot is going to give your critique right off the bat
y-yeah, what of idiot would do t-that?

Don't worry, I ask for critiques afterward, but it's annoying that "wow, your art is good" is the first response I get.
Anecdotal, but I remember when I was pretty bad at drawing, and this person told me my art was good. I asked them how was it good, and they struggled to give me any reason or argument.

>>3272593
I mean, is the first thing you say to someone after seeing their art, "Wow, nice art, but you seriously work on your facial proportions. Also, the neck-shoulder ratio is off, and your line confidence is lacking."

If it is, then godspeed to ya.

Not to mention everything is relative. They didn't know you did anything art-related until you showed them, so seeing someone being able to draw for the first time is a surprise.

>>3272598
It means nothing, especially from artists barely out of high school. It's like saying hello. They could also be shit. Not saying your work is bad as I haven't seen it, but those responses are set phrases.
>"wow anon, your stuff is really good! you'll get into animation next year, I'm sure of it!"
This sounds like something someone else's mom tells them because she's their mom.

>>3267723
What's a socialife?

>>3272601
I sure do that. I'm slowly trying to break the habit because now my friends are scared to show me their drawings and it's a shame.

Fair enough anon.
>>3272604
>it's like saying hello
I'll keep that comparison in mind.

>>3272611
Unless it's john k or you put a lot of booze into someone, you aren't getting their honest appraisal of your work. I'd say more about relations between majors and non-majors, but I'm not feeling that jaded. That said, honest critique is both easy and fucking hard to come by. It's why post your work is a meme and why we post here instead of on dA or showing it to friends.

>>3272623
How to properly critique someone

It hasn't affected it at all, nobody gives a shit about art, you're not going to fuck a girl by drawing her a pretty portrait, giving her flowers and telling her how much you love her

If anything, it's been a waste of time (in terms of social gains) because time spent drawing could have been spent doing something actually important (in terms of social gains) like partying and drunk

Imo, fuck the world, I'd rather give some great art to the world than fuck girls and be a nobody

my what??? my what the fuck are you talking about ????

>>3267723
Used to have some effect when I posted shit on facebook to feel better about myself, some people would come talk to me, but then you realize its only because they wanted you to "draw their tattoos" or something like that.

I draw like shit and I also have no social life

My social life is the same since drawing is not a part of the social me. No one I know except for my brother and another draw-friend know about it. I'm a closet illustrator, fucking hell.
>>3272811
I fear if I ever let people know something like this would happen. Nothing much. Could also be because my career and close circles have nothing to do with graphic arts.

When i was young I was really shy and even though i wanted to make friends, i never wanted to just go up and start talking to people. So I would just sit and draw and people would pass by and start conversation with me instead, and friendship would build from there. When i was in high school i mostly drew and painted all of my friends and that was kind of nice. Majored in art education which (at my uni) was kind of like studio with an education minor, and made lots of friends with other artists. Graduated last spring but still connect with a lot of my college buds on Insta and exchange tips, share art we like, share ideas, and generally support each other. It's nice and it's easy to stay feeling connected bc I'm not really one to text or chat much, but sharing art we've found out sharing wips and what we're up to makes it easy to keep conversation going.

Also now i teach in elementary and everyone is completely blown away whenever I do anything remotely artistic. Really helps solidify my job position.

>>3272820

thats me there in that picture

>>3272973
thats all of us in the picture

>>3272587
>>3272426
How could it have possibly been a mistake? I told them I was going to arrive during business hours, outside of lunch and all that, and they all literally left minutes before I knocked on the door. Back then they shared the studio with two or three other people from some smaller company and they were kind enough to tell me what happened. My equipment was in the middle of the studio too so it's not like they forgot I was coming. Besides, if it was mistake why did they never contact me again? They still have some of my work in their portfolio so it's not like they forgot I exist.

Maybe my personality really is shitty, I can't tell. I'm very introverted and I analyze myself constantly but I don't see anything bad about my personality outside of being shy and not very outgoing. By now I may come off as socially awkward. I always try to be a good person and I avoid confrontation at all costs. I don't know... maybe it's like not being able to tell if you're retarded or not because you're retarded.

You dont need to read this actually or reply, I'm just writting this because I'm bored, not to create a discussion
I don't thinkn it has changed my social situation. Sometimes the topic of art appears and they ask my opinion because I'm an "artist" or they want to see my sketchbook to have some laughts. But non of my friends (out of shcool) are into art, except a graphic designer who doesn't care about it at all, so It really doensn't boost my confindence or depresses me. Only when I'm with my fucking schoolmates it has some negative changes.
I'm currently in a painting faculty of an academy, but before that I was studying a 2 years Illustration course. On painting I chat with the guys friendly, but most of them are pretentious walking works of art that have no skill and just dress weirdly and paint abstract bullshit, so It annoys internally, so usually when theyt talk about art I can't add nothing. I try to stay away from them and leave school ASAP.
On the other hand Illustration are also unskilled people, but instead of saying that "I could do that with a camera" they really apreciate my skills. To a degree that they think I'm above all of them and I will dominate the word. Like I'm a genious or something. It's a bit anoying but I think it's worse for my artistic health than the painting dudes. I'm also the youngest there, so It adds to the stupid "genious thing".
Next year I'm going to study 3D modeling. wish me luck

>>3273313
>Maybe my personality really is shitty, I can't tell.
>maybe it's like not being able to tell if you're retarded or not because you're retarded.

This is my life.

>>3267852

God I hate that shit.

"Oh you're an artist? You should design tattoos!"

It's the only art form normies seem to care about.

People don't give a shit about what I draw
And the ones that do I don't know personally
So nothing happens

Severely stunted it. I used art as an excuse to not do other things for a while, which is why I dont draw anymore. I was a sorry sight.

>>3272639
Don't lie.

>>3272912
Good for you, anon.

I work fulltime in STEM. People are surprised and impressed when they find out I can draw/paint pretty things. Whenever new people add me on normiebook the first comment is usually compliments on the art I've posted. People are rused into thinking I have depth and am interesting but in reality i just sit at home and play dota in my free time and am a really mediocre artist but normies can't tell reeeee.

It's nice when people want to be my friend but I also feel stressed because they have expectations of me.

>>3271943
Sounds like you're talking about Karakter

t. knower

>>3267723
Before I thought people didn't care about me because I was untalented and useless, now I have the confidence to say they don't care about me because people are selfish fucks and finding friends among them is a rare a pleasant occurrence; and even then, I've yet to find a real life friend that is really interested in what I do for not selfish reasons (got one that is interested in my drawings just because he wants me to do a comic or draw Jojo memes for them... cool person generally, tho, one I don't dislike hanging out with).

My internet social life increased a lot, though, and I met a lot of cool artists guy that helped me improved and gave me connections. So it's not all bad.

>>3274228
Are you me

>>3274228
Well, you're in STEM and you can draw. You are multifaceted, intelligent, flexible, and talented. You sound like a catch to me.

literally 0 change

>>3267793
This I have friends that think Im cutting them off cause I dont want to play fightans with them all the time or ask to hang out all the time. I just want to fuckin draw and git gud sweet jesus. I love my vidya but man I got my goals that I want to work towards, and recently I've been able to successfully prioritize it over vidya.

>>3275366
t-thanks

>>3271943

This isn't normal. You have a massive fucking flaw that you haven't become self-aware of yet.

Perhaps a stench of some kind?

>>3267793
Seriously just cut them off. What are videogame friends even? Wtf ? Do you have no dignity?

>>3267852
I would never draw tattoos simply because I despise them
"You're so good at art, you could become a tattoo artist xDD" yeah right, fuck off.

>>3267723
>Literally anytime I was drawing, someone would come up to talk to me
I'm not even impressive

>>3267864
>Tattoo artist
>Tattoo
>Artist
Lmao, all you do is make fucking Instagram nigger tier collages that you then print out and basically just trace lines and dots.
Fucking neck yourself, I can not even begin to understand what a huge ego someone like you must have that they consider themselves as Superior when all they do is literally tattoos.

>>3271943
Seconding the people who say you might have some big character flaw.

I knew people in art school who were good artists, but just... awful to be around. Really sexist, or really obnoxious, stuff like that. One girl was always running around screaming and eating stuff off the floor. She was a nice girl and a half-decent artist, she worked really hard too, but she only had one friend because no one could tolerate her excited screaming for more than ten minutes. Another classmate was super autistic and smelled bad, and he couldn't talk about anything but his own work.

They weren't bad people, just really socially awkward.

>>3277971
>>3276207

I've held relationships before, no problem. I actually called up my most recent ex because of this thread to figure out what's wrong with me. Nothing according to her but maybe she wants to protect my feelings.

Anyway, this thread gave me food for thought. I have no idea where my supposed character flaw lies but my life can't go on like this. I'll do whatever it takes to figure out what's wrong with me and fix it. All I know is that I need some form of social life to be able to keep on going but I realize also that it's too late for me to find any friends among professional artists or artists who strive to be professional. I just wish I would have realized this sooner... I don't even have any e-friends for crying out loud.

I'm currently looking into going back to school, doing my Abitur and studying ... something. It's going to be rough and I'm almost too old with 28 but I have to quit this career for the sake of my mental health. Hopefully all this will set me on a path where I don't want to kill myself daily out of sheer loneliness. Man, it's soul crushing having to give up a dream after a decade of trying your hardest to mold something real out of it.

>>3277966
Tattoo artists are truly the scum of the art world.

>>3267776
i always blur my eyes, to see the general colors of things and now everything seems so easy to paint

>>3271943
Join my forum. We need artist with knowledge of Marko techniques:

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>>3274228
hello fellow STEM

>>3267723
>>3267737
>>3267738
This
I was expecting to find people like me here but they're all normalfags

>>3278101
>Abitur
german anon? I think it is a good idea, maybe you can try finding friends outside of art related field.
i am doing my abitur now too. it made me get to know some interesting people.

>>3273919
Thanks bud