/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

refs dump

>>3226583

>>3226584

So when I do studies of hands or bodies or copy the photos in these threads or whatever, am I supposed to have a certain mindset and give my drawings some serious thought? I don't want to fill a page with a bunch of hands and hand-copy naked people if I'm not actually learning in the long run by doing it.

>>3226564
well im done with this shit website. every time i open the forums i feel like my IQ goes lower and i lose motivation to draw because i dont wanna be like they are.

Should i just share art in twitter and instagram like any decent non-mentally ill person in 2017? I fucking hate DA so please recommend me any other website that doesnt feel like dogshit

some faggot crab

If you are a beginner, I suggest try checking Zin Lim on Youtube some anon told me about it, and I thought he was just shilling but actually watched it and this guy is the best thing around since sliced bread loomis. https://www.youtube.com/user/zinlimpresent he has a variety of videos almost a video on everything. And he doesn't have commentary which helps greatly. Just text

>>3226601

Twitter and insta is worthwhile
ArtStation has less retards

>>3226606
sounds good ill just migrate there and get back to working on visuals

>>3226611
Best of luck!

>>3226102
crits pls

>>3226564
Why is drawing from life so fucking hard
i've been doing it for about 4 months now and i still fuck up the various proprtions of a fucking chair. When i try to draw the general shape of a thing i end up symbol drawing, but when i try to draw by focusing execively on following the ''lines'' i tend to fuck up the proportions because i lose track of the general shape

btw can someone tell me the point of drawing from life? isn't it just better to start of learning construction and just draw whatever you want from there on?

>>3226625
A good way to understand proportions is to use your own body as a guide. For example, the whole torso is two and a half heads high

>>3226625
show work pls

>>3226639
will do when i finally fix my phone tomorrow

>>3226625
I'm struggling with that too. Like, what will be my reference to to keep the drawing with the same proportions as the object?
Most of the time it isn't a 1:1 drawing, so what's the secret to do a scaled copy of the object?

>>3226629
Not him but a chair does not have a torso.

>>3226640
just say you don't want to post your work

I want to die

I feel so stupid. Why am I having such a hard time drawing a damn apple? :(

>>3226617
Looks off as usual. I think bridgman and bargue would be right up your alley.

I'm having a really hard time learning arm muscles

>>3226687
draw 100 apple to the best of your ability. take a rest for a day and just do fun things to take your mind of it. draw an apple again the day after.

feel the magic flow through your fingers...

:(

>>3226721
really not too bad, keep at it anon

Please give me an assignment, I will attempt to draw it (without copying anything, of course) and give some room for you to critique me. I have been drawing for a few months, mostly human figures.

Are eyes normally one of the harder things to draw? Cause fuck it feels like I'm having way too much trouble with them

>>3226724
thanks for the encouragement. i'm tired so this one was rushed

>>3226748
ref

>>3226748
Not him, but I started drawing two days ago and I wish I was as good as you. I cannot draw faces or simple sketches of bodies to save my life.

>>3226751
Thanks anon, you'll get there and further with practice soon enough. Anyway, I nearly gave up on that one halfway through because the nose and lips were crooked. I'm glad I didn't.

>>3226750
Simple sketch at boring lesson, fucked up proportions

>>3226775
Whats the point of copying an image?

>>3226776
Is this a legitimate question?

>>3226776
By this It's easier for me to draw new things, to learn styles and other shit

>>3226690
can you redline me?

I especially want to be able to draw female figures, so I'd like to receive some critique on this if you see anything that is off or have anything you'd improve. I still cannot draw hands, and I notice that the left girl's face looks kind of odd (the further side is wrong) and her thorax is twisted (since i'm trying to use perspective on it).
I used my mirror image as a reference to see how a human's back works.

I dont get that middle lower back part.
can someone explain?

also think left side is way better then right side.

>>3226889
Oh and the left girl's legs are too thick at the end, and that perspective line for them is just thrown out of my ass instead of measured.

>>3226889
keys to drawing

>>3226893
Okay thanks! Would the book "Drawing on the right side of the brain" by Betty Edwards do the same thing, or does the Keys have something more suitable for me? I did few of the first exercises in the Edward's book some time ago, but never had the will to finish it.

How in the living fuck do you adjust multiple layers in Photoshop. In SAI all i have to do is link them with a red pin and i can adjust colors on all of them at once. I tried to google an answer and its like fucking rocket science and i still cant get it to work in photoshop.

I'm trying to do it in PS btw because its superior to SAI for color/levels adjustments.....but i like have to do each layer one at a time and try to remember what the fuck i did so i can do it to the others. I want to just be able to adjust multiple layers at once...why is this shit so complicated?

>>3226912
Ctrl-click multiple layers.

>>3226912
I tried to shift+select all the layers....nope Image/Adjustments greyed out.

Tried to select all the layers and Link then....nope..adjustments greyed out.

Tried adding an adjustment layer....nope...affects everything, not just the layers i want.

Tried putting the layers in their own group...nope...adjustments greyed out.

>>3226915
Its no different that shift+selecting the layers....same thing.. Image>Adjustments greyed out.

>>3226625
NGMI

>>3226625
>>3226648
try using a view finder (just get a piece of black cardboard and cut a square into it)
This could help you ''frame'' your vision and get a better grasp on the proportions of objects

>>3226934
you got the values completely wrong

>>3226935
how do i get better at it without just colour picking

how do i get better at drawing from imagination

>>3226950
Practice A LOT with reference. Good amount of reference from photos, movies, artists from the past and present that inspires you.

I don't like being dramatic but this repetiton thing can make you feel empty inside. Well 11 to go and then draw 25 from imagination. It's hard but if it means I can draw my characters better, I'll do it.

Sorry no resize because on tablet.

Left is from just observation and right were corrections i made once i overlayed the left drawing onto the ref. How do I take in the corrections I have made, in order to improve my lone observational skills?

>>3226996
measure more

On the 25 from imagination now.

>>3226969
>>3227017
pretty sure the point is to vary the poses and angles, not just copy the exact same drawing

>>3227017
Are you not just turning it into a symbol?

>>3226950
I don't know about you, but for me it helps when I draw animals if I know how to break them down into simple shapes.

So, with horses, you're going to want to break them down differently than a human. You'll mostly work out how to do it from working from reference images, but they work a lot different from people. (This is actually where I am having a lot of difficulty. I understand how to draw animals fine, but struggle with human form because the shapes are so different.)

Additionally, with a horse and rider image, the rider is going to be sitting just behind the withers (the top of the horse's shoulder) as that is where the center of balance is, and also where they will stress the horse's back the least. Your rider is positioned toward the mid-back, near the end of the horse's ribcage, and would cause enormous pressure on the horse's back. He would both be more likely to injure his mount, and fall off because both he and the horse will be out of balance.

So, I guess keep using references and doing studies and shit until drawing something from imagination comes easy and you aren't guessing how something should go anymore.

>>3226969
>>3227017
My pc decided to work so I managed to edit the pics.

>>3227018
I watched a video of Dave Rapoza talking about how he improved. He said he would make a study of a subject 18 times from reference then another 18 times from imagination, and that's how he manage to fixate things in his head. It's worth a try at least.

>>3227019
Hopefully not.

>>3227097
>He said he would make a study of a subject 18 times from reference then another 18 times from imagination
yeah. that doesn't mean "literally copy the same drawing".

>>3227103
Alright, I'll try what you are saying. If it means from different angles, I'll do it. 5 of each angle. Will try it tomorrow.

>>3227106
it means with everything different. angle, light, shape, position...

>>3227115
Alright. Even if I can barely draw legs in the front view, I should practice everything you said. Ok, I understand. But it's a lot of time and effort. I don't want to mean or anything but can I see your work?

tharts

>>3227125
http://imgur.com/a/gDeXv
http://imgur.com/a/PQMQ3
http://imgur.com/a/jL2lu
I'm not doing proper studies, this is all no ref except the last link
you *can* do the same drawing a second time. in fact alternating between reference and imagination is a good way to absorb knowledge, applying what you've seen, then correcting it, etc. but when people mention "studies", that's what it is. you run a big risk of turning to symbol drawing by repeating the same drawing over and over, as has been said above.
>But it's a lot of time and effort
yes, yes it is. at least trying to actually progress.

>>3227097
Very nice. At the very least you've shown that you shown you have the ability to go through with something painfully dull and internalize what you needed to internalize.

But yeah as what other people said. I wouldn't do a study of a piece in a row more than 2-3 times before switching to another angle. Then come back to it again in 2 days, then again in 5 and again in a week just to solidify it in long term memory.

It'll take a longer time span to get your 18 studies of legs, but it will become more natural, studying will be more interesting as it's not just that one dull study as you'd be putting studies of other things in bewteen and you would be less prone to keeping it just in your short term memory.

>>3227141
Thanks. I took notes of what you just said. I'll try.

>>3226602
I like yo style anon. Keep up the grind

.>>3226890
You made your bubble butt too big anon. Buttspine kinda curves in more. Think thicker panty line, not whale-tail thong. Don't worry I also like drawing butts and have this happen to me on the regular.

>>3226950
Draw more shadows, work on the values as well as the basic shapes. Otherwise you're making good progress
>That's why drawing boxes in diff perspective is so important.

>>3227097
practice in more then one perspective dude. Not saying its bad though.

Here's some of my work, left is face study, right is working on colour.

pls bully, I need to be meticulous

>>3227134

You're studying anything if you're not using ref or drawing from life. That's just wasting time.

he looks just kinda stiff

if you see any glaring issues please let me know.
the ref is at the top of the thread.

what do you guys think? pls no bully, i've only been drawing for 2 days

is my first time practicing, how bad is for me to erase the lines i dont like? some of the posses are from quickposes and others are from one Vilppu video. i was holding the pencil like him on the left but when he switched to the right it just feel weird, should i practice hold the pencil that way? any more tips? or what books i should read? i really want to improve and i got some free time

Decided that 4 is going to be my magic number. I'm not really comfortable with the idea of study light yet, so I slacked off a bit on that. It's a lot harder to fixate things when you draw them just 4 times, forgot some lines when drawing from imagination. Will post more tomorrow from different angles and everything, I'm done for the day.

A friend of mine told me I should work on my backs and hips more. looking at my lady in question, does her back look okay?

>>3227208

Now draw the other eye, nose, lips... The whole face.

Update: I'm past the point of no return. I think I'm good with the hips.

>>3226733
Draw a man upside down. **No cheating**

>>3226927
That's a pretty nice advice, man. Thanks, I will try it.

>>3226733
Draw a man upside down. No cheating.

>>3226927
That's a pretty nice advice, man. Thanks, I will try it.

roast this tattoo /ic/. what is wrong with it?

Reposting because dead thread.

Soooo, I'm shit as you can see, and a huge beginner, and yes I do need to read the sticky a few more times. But right now theres something I cant shake off, and its how shitty and without confidence my lines are, I chicken scratch a fuckton. How do I make this stop, /ic/ ? Also any instructions other than reading the sticky are appreciated, I have 0 grasp on anything.

im not gonna make am i

>>3227310

>>3227320
you are trying to "study" things such as hands but you don't even know how to do it. do yourself a favor and go through loomis' fun with a pencil, it is easy to go through it and you will improve a lot.

>I have 0 grasp on anything.
thats what the sticky is for, for god's sake. people will give the exact same advice in the sticky, because it works.

>>3227172
I do enjoy a good, firm, thicc butt.

also looking at that pic, my whole thing is messed up :(

>>3227334
Sorry. It was not really study or anything the like. Just trying to figure out where fingers even went. And I will, thank you.

>>3227320
>>3227310
and for the chicken lines, just trust your hand. do the trace you want to do a few times with the tip of your pencil close to the paper but not touching, this will get your hand "ready" to do it. thats it.

beginners use chicken line to constantly do small corrections on the lines and to hide mistakes. let that go, if you fuck you, you fuck up, but do 1 confident line.

>>3227341
Any for or againsts to ditching pencils for pens for a while? I feel like you can hide mistakes less if you use a pen, but I do not know.

>>3227362
pens are a meme, you wont be able to construct properly or see things clearer at your level

>>3226776

Not copy, study. There's a big difference there.

>>3226781

>By this It's easier for me to draw new things, to learn styles and other shit

Post work.

>>3226751

>two days

There's your answer.

>>3226564
Tear me to shreds, /ic/. There is much I don't like about this (mainly the legs and the shit shading).

>Want to draw cartoons
>Bad at everything equally
Should I continue with my life studies, start loomis, or do both?

>>3227480
Either keys to drawing or drawing on the right side of the brain.

>>3227486
Lol, that was project 1-D of keys to drawing. Are you supposed do re-do really bad lessons, or just power through?

Just started watercolour.
Tried mixing it with colored pencils.
What do you guys think?

Alright, I'm back. Any last pieces of advice before clean her up?

trying to paint this cute dog

>>3227545
whoa...

now shut up w a n k e r s

>>3227545
>>3227550
I'm beg myself and I usually don't comment on people pieces because I can't help but anon... I love it. Damn cute.

Maybe you should use more sharp edges/brushes.

>>3227557
thanks. im also trying to draw mommies

I'm a beginner. I want to learn to draw like an artist I admire. Is it possible to just copy their work, study their style and, over time, learn to draw exactly like them? Has anyone done this? What are some tips?

>>3227516
Here's when I don't watercolour.

>>3227570
I spend about 15 minutes on each face.
NGMI

sculptor here, been studying the videos anon from before suggested, talking about what colors to use and the values of said colors. Painting like a sculptor has really helped too, but the kind of style I really want to imitate is the vintage illustration with soft pastel like colors, so my question is should I continue with this picture? I've tried to really study and pay attention to composition while doing this, and I also feel like the girl's left arm should be showing but I can't get the perspective right.

>>3227603
this is what I'd like to get to. pic related.

>>3226687
way better than most beg

>>3226934
how do i get better at observing values?

I bought a charcoal pencil and have been trying to figure out how to use the side of the lead.
the rest are xerorex from some guy on pixiv.

>>3227603

>>3227664

What's the *best* place to start a public art blog/portfolio? I mean like Tumblr, Deviantart, Twitter, e621, etc... how about a website meant to serve as a community for growing artists?

>>3227664
>>3227675
going to call it a night for now, but I think I fixed the angle with her left arm. she's facing away towards the bees. thank you though, that angle would have been easier to deal with..

>>3226564
>"Nice effort"

>>3227318
Learn perspective, draw bigger and pick a drawing tool that makes sense.

>>3227697
>" I give you marks for trying, tho."
Why is this guy torturing me /ic/?
I was just drawfagging

>>3227696
The arm and hand fix actually helped define the perspective. But for the life of me I don't understand drawing her with a wand you clearly didnt think out because with that structure it should look different from that angle. I also dont understand the cartoon looking trees and bees that look like plushies next to her.

>>3227702
>very good. technically sound.

>>3226750

I think the features are okay (even if she is cross-eyed but the face looks a bit flat like it's not connected to the skull.

>>3227570
>>3227588

resize

>>3227208
bump for more answers

>>3227712
Read the sticky.

>>3227712
very good. technically sound.

how do i improve at selecting values or otherwise improve a skill that is lacking in this >>3226934 ?

Literally only just started making something original today.

>>3227734
Oof, by original I mean something that I didn't copy like a photocopier like I did with every other practice.

>>3227734
Canvas size and retinex in gimp are your best friends if you don't have a scanner

>>3227737
I actually did scan it, it just looks terrible because it's old and a bit dirty. Thanks for the recs though.

wanted dramatic lighting so tried to blocc in, now kinda lost

>>3227803
It's pretty dark.

how do I stop symbol drawing?
Every time I try and draw something I just end up symbol drawing because I can't properly imagine how shit is actually supposed to look.
Do I just draw everything from reference until I have a decent idea of how shit looks or what?

I'm pretty new to copic markers, and portraits of any kind, and I'm having trouble blending well. I'm wondering if I need more colors to make the gradients smoother, if copic markers are bad for this kind of work, or if I just suck. (Sorry for shit lighting)

>>3227862
Post symbols.

>>3226591
A quick one, how is it?

>>3227868
Holy shit the body is so flat.

>>3227871
Stop being lazy.

>>3227875
I wasn't really paying attention to that, my bad

>>3227870
Basically most of the stuff that I draw are just plain out fucking symbol drawing shit that I delete because I get frustrated.
Not really sure what to post, so I'll post this shit as an example.
Like here I kind of know the very basic form of the head, but after that it's pretty much trying over and over again to draw the same parts of the face (like the nose here) until it seels like somewhat correct.

>>3227879
Like even here you can see that I just said fuck it and didn't even try and draw the eyes, because everytime I do, they just look horrifically unrealistic.

Day 8 of Watts atelier, started fundies phase 2. Kinda ran out of time today, so I only watched the introduction and negative shape videos.

I first copied Watts drawing (First on left) then I drew the photo they gave in the workbook (second on left) Then I tried drawing my own forms from life (bottom left and top right) and I fucked around with some objects I had laying around.

>>3227889
your cubes are horribly drawn (several times it appears by the lines there) every time. I would recommend going back to drawing controlled lines

>>3227901
Yeah, I struggle doing good lines with the charcoal pencil. I will practice it more, thank you for the feedback anon.

>>3226775
Ballpoint is a pretty tough medium when you're starting out. I recommend sticking to pencil. Make sure you use construction - LOOMIS - (you do not need to read every single page all at once, just focus on the head and facial construction at first) . Also, mainly use the overhanded pencil holding technique to draw. A good tip is to not draw lines with the tip of the pencil: use the side, this will allow you to create broader 'lines' which are easier to erase.

I had considerable gains within 8 months by drawing at least one face each day. I had a couple weeks off throughout when I really wasn't feeling it. In order to improve you need to compare and contrast between your drawing and your ref. At first don't practice imagination, do that at a later, improved state, right now you don't have the visual library to base your sketches off of.

Good luck! If you really want to be a competent draftsmen and not disappoint your future self you'll reach a point where you will be slightly proud of your work - then you'll realise its not good enough and you'll want to improve. But at that point it gets easier as the results from your daily sketches show your learned knowledge in at least one aspect. Remember that you don't have to rush either, people online like to show off and do speed paints but you need to remember that they have years of experience. I hope I helped :)

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I basically replied to anyone I felt that something I discussed had relevance to.

Is Dodson a good beginner fundamental book?

>Go to neighbouring town to pick up some finer paper and pencils of various strengths
>Find it all
>Bring it to the register
>Forgot card back at home.

fuck me up senpai

>>3226564
I feel like I'm getting a little better. The body can twist like this, right?

>>3228051
A very agile person can, absolutely. I notice that sometimes people complain about certain contortions but trust me, people can do some really fucking weird shit with their bodies in real life.

>>3228052
How can I make it look more "realisitc?" Is it how I placed the arms?

>>3228058
I really don't want to give advice because I'm a complete fucking newbie to drawing. I suppose it looks alright? Though you'd have to ask someone well more experienced and skillful than I.

>>3228062

art blog because no art friends

It's so fucking hard to render the face properly. I have no direction whatsoever.
I studied face structure but I have issues with blending, controlling the brush and knowing what to do next. It also

does not help that I can't form everything properly giving the sense that I didn't finish anything. I've been trying

different appoaches just trying to complete the face and I realized maybe the issue lies with two things. The fact

that I cannot finish a piece and my inexperience with using the brush since I just transitioned from traditional

drawing with lines. To remedy this, I will temporarily attempt pixiv drawings that I find aesthetically pleasing.

Ones that does alot of realistic painting on the entire piece except the face which looks animu as fuck and also

leaving outlines and using it creatively (loosely). This will allow me to finish pieces to regain confidence and

practice brush control and blending as well. I can start with just simple poses and clothing maybe fanart

>>3227991
/beg/ here. I'll try out the overhand grip technique. Sounds like it may solve a few problems. Also, am I jumping the shark by trying to shade? Should I focus on just getting solid lines/forms first? I'm >>3227422

i draw really lightly mainly cause i dont really want to buy special pencils or anything like that. i put this in photoshop and messed with the levels to hopefully have it show up better

Hello! I was looking at this thing I made a while ago and I think that one leg is not as long as the other. Am I right? (And if someone wants please give me some advice)

something is off about this dudes face yet i can't figure it out.
plz help me

>>3227879
i hope this helps a little

I am not even a beginner, I'm bad at drawing and I'm not a creative person, however

I would like to learn to make drawings like pic related. I would like to buy a graphic tablet, I suppose I don't need anything very good, something basic will suffice. What should I pay attention to when choosing one?

>>3228167
May be the mouth?

>>3228167
Could it be the placement of the mouth?

>>3228167
Looks like his mouth is a bit off. Try making his bottom lip thinner and moving his mouth down a bit. Also maybe move it to the right a bit

>>3228177
I recommend Wacom. They have quite good range of prices, so you can pick whatever will fit your budget. They are pretty durable too, so once you buy one, it should serve you well for years.

>>3228183
I've checked them out but the prices go from 70-80eur to over 3000eur. Are the cheap ones alright?

>>3228180
>>3228181
yeah it was definitely the mouth but when i moved it around it didn't help too much. so i pushed the eyes and nose around, as well as adding more forehead and i think it helped? lmk what ya think.

>>3228192
wacom intuos is where i started and it worked great as well as being very compact and easy to move.
overall good starter tablet.

>>3228200
Thanks!

Last question, does this drawing style have a name?

>>3228201
I highly doubt it. It's a painting if anything.

>>3228214
Thank you

Sea of emotions

>>3228222
Calm down picasso

>>3228226
kek

>>3227276
>>3227226
You might want to try reading a book before going any further.

>>3227868

Not /beg/

Go to /draw/ thread anon.

rate muh (((((((modern art)))))))))

>>3228222
profound

Critique please

Ok I'm genuinely autistic but like when I get these books, like Loomis' Fun with a Pencil, and other assorted books, am I supposed to actually be reading the text in them or am I just here to copy whatever they're doing with the art?

>>3228278
the written stuff acts as a filler almost
you can skip it, but if your confused with whats happening with the pictures just go back a few pages and read through it.

>>3228276
if you have a reference i'd love to redline
as of right now i only see one minor issue being the fact that the mouth line should not be as straight

Looks very good all things considered, how long have you been drawing and how long did that take you?

Also if you want to have a go at adding shading, use makeup contouring guide like this

>>3228281
Here's the reference. I rushed the clothing because I wanted to focus on the face.

>>3228285
If you mean me >>3228276
Thanks. I've been drawing for about 2 days now and this took me maybe...1 1/2 - 2 hours? Wasn't really keeping track, but it took a while. I wanted to pay close attention to the details.

I started doing digital this week after being trad only for a few months

>>3226602
lovely.

>>3228294

Why side view?

>>3228287
ok so the first thing i would do is work on the weight of your lines like for the eyes, you did the lashes fairly well but the mascara behind them is almost nonexistent in your drawing.
okay so i labelled everything with letters, here we go:
A: the line on the nose is too dark or just shouldn't be drawn at all. since its a highlight you either ignore it if just sketching, or color it a lighter tone if coloring.

B: this kinda touches back on the idea of the line weight, but also you should take note on the fact that the eyelid has a crease you need to include.

C: you made the irises too small and, by doing so you did the same to the pupils, if you look at the ref, the irises just about touch both top and bottom of the eyelids.

D: The gap for the cupid's bow is too wide.

E: Because of the problem in "C," the eyebrow is just a bit low.

F: The butt chin is not quite as defined as you have it.

If i see anything else i'll let you know, but overall this looks quality, good job :)

>>3228307

You could've resize and rotate...

>>3228307
Thanks! I felt the cleft was too defined too. I'll keep the weight of my lines in mind in the future. I'm only using a mechanical pencil and trying to keep things as light as possible to begin. And lips have always fucked me up, but I'll keep working on that damn upper lip. Thanks for the red!

>>3228306
I almost always do generic 3/4 turn and flat front view poses, this is the first time I've drawn at that angle.

back to some bargues!

Trying to get better at painting...have always drawn, how to I stop seeing the world in straight lines?

>>3228350
if you simplify things into basic shapes, its alot easier to understand were shadows should lie, and helps with color so what i would do is study up on the simple and advanced planes of different things and imagine the object as a 3d image.

>>3226591
I retried this one and put some time into it.
How is it now?

>>3227875
Not lazy, just short on time.

>>3228195
ok now this time with color.

Thoughts?

So, I tried the thingy in the sticky and jesus it's hard as fuck. Took me a few hours. Looking at it makes me a bit sad, but anyways, how does this work? When do I jump to the next step, when I manage to copy it in a way that makes it not look like ass? Excuse the lined paper.

>>3228374
looks pretty decent to me, looks kinda weird just because your original reference also looks a little funky. I think this sticky is trying to force you to not recognize parts of the body by making you do it upside down instead of drawing them how you've always seen them.

>>3226564
Am I supposed to feel hopeless while doing those 5,10 and 20 minute quick sketches in that head drawing phase 3 by jeff watts?

>>3228382
The intent is making figure drawing fuck off, yes.

>>3228386
drawing involves alot of feeling like trash, then, every once in a while, you make something that your really proud of. So, more often than not, hopelessness is gonna be an emotion you'll feel pretty often, you just gotta push through that.

>>3227703
thank you. I tried to fix the wand but the bees were suppose to look like plushies so I'm happy with that.

what do you guys think about it so far?

>>3228374

it's good. this shit is just to make people who have never drawn before try to draw for the first time. It's just loosen up before you get into the lessons. You can finish the book and try it again if you want, but this lesson is just there for that specific purpose.

Even if your drawing barely resemble it, you still can move on to the next lesson in the book.

Remember to read every note and try to at least somewhat understand what the purpose of the lesson is before you move on.

I started with the same book. Skim it the first time and redid again after doing a bunch of life drawing for a month. It's a good book to start learning how to draw but it's not the answer to everything.

>>3228407
Thanks man! I used to draw a lot for fun, but now I wanna get serious, become a good artist instead of just admiring them. Will follow your advice.

first time posting, but I've been working on this for 3 days, crit please only major problems I can see is how horrible the lighting is and how bad the lines are

>>3228403

What is she sitting on?

>>3228412
grass... how should I make that more obvious? Is her butt on too flat of a surface or is something I can fix with grass implications?

>>3228414
it looks like she is sitting on an invisible chair

>>3228397
It doesn't help that watching Jeff draw something pretty good so effortlessly in like 10 minutes.
I know he has like 20+ years experience but it's pretty frustrating and I know that comparing myself to him is pretty dumb but still, it hurts.

>>3228363

Use the penis method anon... :3

>>3228178
redlined it for you, better be grape filled.

>>3228416
I genuinely didn't even notice that until I read 'what is she sitting on?'. now I'm embarassed. I could possibly draw in a ditch or dirt patch beneath her to show a flat area..?

>>3228414
>>3228416
>>3228412
This was a rehetorical question, it's obviously a grassy hill, but it's just rendered, detailed, and perspectively in really low quality.

>>3228426
im still a beg myself so i cant say for sure, but i would adjust her a bit and also change the grass to make it look flatter in addition to your suggestion. right now it looks like shes at the bottom of a hill because of how you shaded it

>>3228425
it seems just a touch small haha, i can't really see it

>>3228431
oh, well that is what I was trying to show. Not sure, but thank you I'll keep messing around with her. Maybe I need to finish it first then go back and tweak then.

>>3228430
sorry, I meant for it to be of not necessarily low quality but of a simple one. trying to imitate a style like this >>3227604 but my own.

>>3228403
Looks like you paid attention and learned that color study. Composition is like intermediate. I'm not sure something seems off the grass wheres shes sitting, very flat and looks separated from the rest of what's going on.

>>3228434
>sorry, I meant for it to be of not necessarily low quality but of a simple one. trying to imitate a style like this >>3227604 but my own.

That picture still has proper perspective, your's is physically impossible basically, with the angles of thing that you used. Use reference photos of a hill with two trees.

>>3228432
well heres the eye for example

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>>3226591
WIP. Please critique.

>>3228452
I'd recommend using your pencil to check for proportions while drawing.
There are some areas that are way off, especially around the legs.

Also try to match the negative spaces (and not the positive) you see for harder areas like between the chin and her arm.

Alright, how's she looking so far?

>>3228507
it looks like your moving your pen a bit too slow (the broom), try drawing from the shoulder, and speeding up how fast the pen goes across the tablet you can screw up that one line as many times as you want, ctrl+z is your friend

>>3228440
>>3228443
tried to connect her to the planes and redid the trees.. looking any better?

>>3228492
Took your advice. Cleaned up the legs a bit, brought in her butt, redrew a rough foot (feet are fucking difficult) and gave her a face. Defined her jaw a bit, took some liberties with the hair length, had difficulty with the hand, and her right breast still confounds me. I spent about 10 mins trying to find a satisfactory position for the nipple and areola. I'm still unhappy with it. Thoughts?

>>3228529
Is it just me or are the legs too long?

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>>3228540
I feel like if you gave her shoes and connected her feet to the ground in the same way it'd look a lot better.

>>3228507
at least read the comments if you're gonna post that shit again...
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>>3228540
I'm a /beg/ myseolf, but her head looks too big. Even for a kid. And her neck is too long, too. Her left arm is shorter than the right one. And what is that thing next to her left leg? Looks unnatural.
The right leg makes a curve inwards close to the dress (where her hip should be, so it should curve the other way to make the butt).

Back to symbol drawing

or maybe I never stopped symbol drawing

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>>3228613

>>3228095
When first starting to shade only use two tones - shaded and not. Make sure to do a lot of contour drawing. Just keep drawing and you’ll get there eventually :)

>>3227288
That hand looks weird.... thumb is off or something

>>3227729
need answer

what is a good drawing tablet for a begginer?

I am doing some profiles involving different face shapes.
let me know if anything looks a little off plz

>>3228693
smaller wacom tablets usually are decent.

i would recommend wacom intuos to start

>>3228693
Huion

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>>3228700
Thanks!

Not sure which beginner thread is alive, so I guess I'll post in both.

>>3228719
fuck, I forgot to add the image.

What is the best way to learn anatomy? Loomis?

>>3228696
you gave an underbite to every character, but good job.

>>3228730
Look up the stick on the Anatomy and gesture section.

>>3228730
hampton

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>>3228610
why do you never add shade to your drawings?

Knees can be a pain in the ass.

>>3228610
learn how to shade

>>3228769
>>3228759
I was told by anon that it's just turd polishing

>>3228786
What?

>>3228786
dont listen to them, in my opinion shading is a really good way to avoid symbol drawing, since ur forced to think about shapes. :)

>>3228786
Don't understand why beginners has such a hard on for copying pictures 1 to 1.

s t e a m e d .

All I have for drawing digital pieces is my Nintendo 2ds. I don't have much experience with drawing digitally besides this thing for the past couple of days since I got this colors application from the online store. anyone have tips for me and this low res software? I think it's pretty decent for the 7 or so dollars I payed. I just seem to be having trouble with coloring and making my art pop more. How do I go from my lineart to making it look nice when I color.

>>3228814
Why a 2DS

>>3228814
hem hem.
I am speaking to you, thot.

can someone lemme know what they think my art instagram? I haven't had any learning experience whatsoever and started off selling abstract paintings for drug money (roughly 50$-100$).

pic related sold for around 60$, spent it on cheap riesling and a pack of smokes.

>>3228833
@art.r.j

>>3228815
bc I bought it a while back and it's all I have

>>3228786

you cant think for yourself? also this is the last place to trust a stranger. shade your drawing. think about form,light and dark.

real life is not made of lines.

the whole point of studying a photo is to learn from it. analyze everything and try to replicate it.

learn the rules of reality. the rules of nature. then try to bend,twist and break it.

I feel like I accidentally made The Weeknd look a bit whiter :/

>>3228930

how's my construction?

>>3227991
I find the overhand to be a fair challenge.
Not sure if I am retarded or not, but this kind of grip is not good for detailing.

>>3228167
Divide the face into thirds. Start putting d
Small horizontal lines on the midline. Position those lines at the hairline, the brow line, the nose base line (not the apex), and then at the tip of the chin. If the lines the points make are not equal, then you are drawing some deformed creature. Try studying the skull. Pic not my work.

>>3228980
Wew lad. I suggest you do some perspective work. I read somewhere about treating the body as composed of different segments, in which each segment has it's own unique orientation to perspective. You are practicing that mummy technique well, try gaining some ideas about how perspective works. And then apply that mummy method.

>>3227729
need answer

Are my forms D-Y-N-A-M-I-C? How would I make them better/any mistakes I do not know of?

How do I create different textures with cross-hatching?
It all ends up looking the same.

I got myself an H1 and H2 pencil, as well as B1 and B2. How would I use these? I don't really know when to apply various levels of strengths and whatnot. Should I form a basic outline with B1 and then give it a more firm form with H1? Again, I am completely clueless.

Hey.
Critique my work please.
if you know of a certain exercise that would help me improve i'd like to hear about it too

are boxes a meme?

>>3228540
nigga got 3 legs

>>3229253
yes.

>>3229276
What's that artist's name again? I know it's italian but I can't remember

>>3229276
if so why? Its useless to draw all kindsa' boxes?

>>3229279
Wait a minute, I can't really read the sig but it's coming back to me. COMBIASOOOO!

>>3229279
Luca Cambiasi according to reverse image search.

>>3229247
Measure your angles in relation to one another, it will improve your proportions. I recommend using plumb lines to find where the edge of each major form is. I can't find the video I want, so take this Proko video instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzDGO0LssEM

>>3229283
first of all, thank you for the constructive comment, i will try to apply it to my work.

what are plumb lines? those weighted strings?

>>3228930

Nostril is too small. When it comes to black people it's usually the nose. But it shows form and you're getting rid of your symbol by doing it. Good job on that.

Also group the dark parts into one. Then start shading darker tone within those dark parts. Think of as shadows within shadow.

Don't be afraid to experiment and push the values. It would help if you have a darker pencil.

This video might help you with value

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QD0CUfL_pQ

>>3229283
Thank you for your tips
i'll try and apply that knowledge immediately

>>3228373
Made a few changes for you, though some of these are my preferences. Major problems I see is fucked eye, ear too small, the end of the brow ridge is a little too swollen (although I think there are ways to make it work).

>>3229298
thanks anon. I used a 6B pencil, and some of the brightness is because of my bad camera. someone edited the levels a bit so it shows up better

>>3227569
Basically yes, it is just copying them and learning how to draw similar to them. You still need prerequisite skill and knowledge always, as well as a good eye for seeing the details of what really makes their work.

You can go on a site like danbooru or whatever to browse the style imitation tags for examples of other people doing it if you need a motivator.

>>3229283
what do you mean measure angles in relation to one another?

>>3228350
Am I getting better anons? Posted this yesterday and tried again on the eyes

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>>3228300
Thanks lads.

way too many studies that turn into pictures that never get finished.

>>3229029
looks like you drew a bunch of ginger roots.

>>3229474
Get a trip or sign your stuff so I can credit you.

it fucking hurts to wake up and know i still cant draw

>>3229598
I go by lumpous on DA, so that I guess.

That's delightful.

>>3229600
hahahahaha i can only still make stick figures hahahah kill me now

>>3227729
need answer

R8 & H8. (Also critique)

Any tips for constructing 3d shapes? I'm wondering how to get leg placement that looks super nice.

i struggle with discipline outside of classroom settings when it comes to art, but any online one is 800 dollars. I'm not trying to make it, i just want as a hobby. Are there any free courses that someone can recommend? I liked how peter han's video and assignments were.

>>3226602
I tried finishing it. Oh ya Mr Krabs.

drew my gamer husband, anything stands out particularly odd looking? im having trouble with the mouth.

>>3229731
>style ignoring realism
>lmao look guise i drew my hubby XD
>intended to post on alt, decided to post on /beg/ instead
>writing in the image for attention
>self deprecating filename
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>>3229753
>writing a bunch of autistic green text instead of ignoring.

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>>3229725
Blog?

>>3229731
>im having trouble with the mouth.
Sounds like he lets you do most of the talking!

>>3229565
So vary the shapes more? It is suppose to be dynamic sketching week 2 exercises. Drawing organic forms with 3d-ness

>>3229144
H-Help with this pls

>>3227208
Why didn't you draw the buildings realistic?

>>3227868
L o n g n e c k

>>3229731
was this intended to be as rough looking as it is
ND just look some mouths up for reference desu, it's cartoonish enough for most mouths to make sense

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>>3226748
I rly rly like these & think you capture personality well - they feel alive, which is something I value a lot in reference copying. you've evidently practiced some things more than others haha, but I think you have become very adept at those parts.
the whole outline of the head still feels like a flat shovel & I'm not sure whether that's because you're not practicing shading there yet; I'd recommend at least giving it a shot, I think you're ready for it. hyperawareness of getting the features' placement & angles correct (eg. in second image eye on our right doesn't align with the left like in the reference) will help to avoid the classic 'flat symbol drawing' look.

>>3227187
i think you got too used to drawing the head being positioned at a particular angle to the shoulders (ie. straight on), & didn't capture the essence of the pose?
I think the bear fur has great stylisation & shape though (I am not particularly skilled either so this may be incorrect)
you might want to reduce this one into a 30-second, etc. study to not get stuck on details

>>3226996
for this example alone, you want to be aware that that stretch of left muscle is pretty much a tube of even length. from there the rest of the waist got misjudged. I think you captured the essence pretty on the mark apart from that slip-up

>>3227132
proportions are going well! I think you could benefit from going back to boxy construction

>>3227215
as a not-particularly-skilled artist: I find small "must-dos" like "hold your pencil this way", "use this layer mode" are kind of losing sight of the real key to improvement. if it's uncomfortable, it's not worth it. and that's how I'm pretty certain I'm getting carpal tunnel
For a first time it's going well & I really like the chick in the top-right. I think at this point the only thing is to keep going & be tough on yourself with what you don't like. I think that in early stages the only time to start worrying is when you find you're stagnating.

>>3226969
Nice. Saved

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