/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

the vast msjority of artists aren't intelligent

>>3168579
Because most popular conservative artists like Ben Garrison don’t know anything about subtlety and shove their beliefs in everything they do.

>>3168584
Ben Garrison is teh GOAT

>>3168584
red nose tumblr art aren't a thing?

>>3168579
I'm guessing it's because the left was previously seen as the vituous underdog that tackled actual social justice and it's still percieved that way by many artists nowadays since previous artist were drawn to the left by what I said.
Now I'm talking out of my ass and specially this next part but I think the right may be a little more present in art in the following years. I just hate when artist who identify strongly as "left" or "right" get their politics in their art most of the time, not because of their beliefs or because art should not be political or any of that bs, but because most of the time both sides seem to lack subtlety and it becomes a contest of throwing shit at each other because "we're right and the other side is evil". So if either side is dominant, the execution will be more or less the same.

>>3168584
>n’t know anything about subtlety and shove their beliefs in everything they do.
Frazetta is conservative, so is Sean Murphy.

artists are pc because we just want to be left alone to work on our craft without tards shoving their political shit down our throats

>>3168593
Tumblr red nose is not a belief

>>3168579
So... Are they gonna eat themselves?

>>3168579
because the Left has the more populist views. therefore most of the people are on the left in any case.

Those that work in creative industries are focused on new stories, new visions, and new music. If you want to find conservatives, look in vested interests like banking, investing, and religion. I just don't think conservatives tend to value the arts & fostering creativity.

Many artists start early in their fields often fostering these gifts and dreams in schools with good art and music programs. In conservative districts, the arts are usually the first to get hurt by budget cuts or shifts, often at the expense of sport programs, which play big in conservative states (think Texas). That said, no matter where you come from, if you are a relatively successful artist than you likely spend most of your life around like-minded people.

>>3168579
art is about feelz, feelz = realz

>>3168606
This shit right here!

>>3168683
They look nasty brush

>>3168579
A lot of artists tend to have this melodramatic attitude all the time and want people to think they're this deep, tortured soul or whatever. Liberals are the same.

Another way to look at it is that, since artists are these melodramatic, deep, tortured souls, they need a political ideology to reflect how "deep" they are. This of course translates to a political ideology that emphasizes multiculturalism and diversity as a virtue, and eschews traditional values because tradition is gross and stuffy and not deep and special like my deep tortured soul.

>>3168696
>I just don't think conservatives tend to value the arts & fostering creativity.

Look at it this way. Even centrists or people who don't care about politics are now being labeled as right-wing conservatives. Failing to virtue-signal in life and in your work now makes you a conservative. That's an extremely narrow-minded thing to say considering the huge number of artists in history and today with traditional values.
And correlation =/= causation. You're basing this on school programs? You understand those states/districts will likely be further away from cities where people will naturally look for more practical work rather than getting into debt in the middle of nowhere with zero opportunities. Of course their art programs will be shitty, but it won't be because their political views are making them "uncreative".

I'm personally more centrist, but I disagree with the idea of globalism and multiculturalism. I like painting interesting things. I think it's just as creative to paint diversity without having to strongarm poc into a viking village or some other shit like that. It's everywhere now.
It's one thing to be all "oh hey lets have egalitarian multicultural ideas about the future", that makes sense and I can get behind it creatively, but why on earth all this brownwashing? How does it suddenly make you more creative and artistic to go full degenerate?

If anything, art is a conservative thing. It requires discipline and dedication. None of which you will see in an aggressive/extreme liberal - almost all of them are hanging out on tumblr and at best making things that can become cartoons. You think any one of them would be able to paint something like pic related? Not a chance.

>>3168828
>brownwashing
You mean mud-bathing! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA

>>3168828
How do you even paint something like this. Wow

>>3168828
>those states/districts will likely be further away from cities where people will naturally look for more practical work

So it isn’t that conservatives don’t value the arts, it’s that conservatives don’t... value... the arts...?

>>3168840
Are you dense? It has nothing to do with the values. It just so happens that those places will have more conservatives, but even the liberals in those areas will be more likely to do a trade.

can everyone concerned please just fuck off back to /pol/

>>3168866
no, you piss off back to slimeville!
speaking pig splatter..........

>>3168828
There's a lot in your post to respond to, but I think my biggest issue with your train of thought here is that you generalize left-leaning people into a extreme-liberal stereotypical caricature - something that definitely exists for a reason, but I think is much less prevalent than you might think.

> Failing to virtue-signal in life and in your work now makes you a conservative.
No it doesn't.

>And correlation =/= causation. You're basing this on school programs?
I know it's just a correlation, but I think examining why budget cuts against the arts are more voted for by conservatives is totally fair. I don't think the physical distance from cities and more jobs is relevant at all. I think the important thing is simply that conservatives tend to cut art programs, and it's seemingly because they don't think they're valuable programs. Hence - conservatives don't tend to value the arts. >>3168840 is correct in pointing out your contradiction here.

> I think it's just as creative to paint diversity without having to strongarm poc into a viking village or some other shit like that. It's everywhere now.
That's fine - you shouldn't force anything into your work that you don't want. Sure - different types of media are trying to be more inclusive and representative of the population. Though no one is saying you have to as well. This is a non-issue.

> why on earth all this brownwashing? How does it suddenly make you more creative and artistic to go full degenerate?
Can you reasonably explain why this is a bad thing?

>art is a conservative thing. It requires discipline and dedication. None of which you will see in an aggressive/extreme liberal
The arts in general take discipline and dedication, but to suggest that those things are exclusive to conservatives is just dumb.

>almost all of them are hanging out on tumblr
Again - I think you're lazily grouping all liberals into this extreme far-left caricature in your head. This is just not true.

>>3168875
Bro calm down

>>3168875
>budget cuts against the arts are more voted for by conservatives
All well and good, but how exactly are those in government at all a reflection on conservative artists? The way you worded it made it sound like having non-liberal ideas automatically makes a person value art less which isn't true.

>Can you reasonably explain why this is a bad thing?
I'm just really not into the whole idea of humanity-soup. It feels forced to me. If something is set in India, the people will be Indian. If it's set in Japan, they will be Japanese. So why put token ethnics groups outside of Europe into medieval Europe? So if there's this requirement to add as many mixed cultures into a Fantasy/Historical scene, what would make any of them unique? Or are only cultures outside of Europe allowed to be unique and homogeneous?

>to suggest that those things are exclusive to conservatives is just dumb
That's true, but same goes for the opposite. I was directly replying to your saying conservatives don't value art & creativity.

>you're lazily grouping all liberals into this extreme far-left caricature in your head
I specifically said
>aggressive/extreme liberal

>>3168828
>If anything, art is a conservative thing. It requires discipline and dedication.

Then please explain why some of the greatest artists on Earth were faggy liberals.

You mean the majority of artists who are willing to talk about their political fews in public
..who are the absolute minority?

>club fair at my uni
>decide to join Art Club for those art gains
>reach the table
>covered in whales that look exacly like the OP pic
>no proper illustration within sight, just weird "art" shit and random scribbles on coloured paper
>"Art Supplies Appreciation Society"
>mfw
>moonwalk away and join the DnD soc
>a few really good artists there and we draw characters together from time to time

this thread lacks this.

>>3168579

The actual reason is that most of western society believes that art is in some way supposed to represent some aspect of the human condition. This is why some of the most successful art from modern to contemporary pieces, are generally more valued for their conceptual aspects aside from formal qualities.

Now, building off of this; most of art influence is based in urban areas where people rely more on government programs and services in their every day lives.

Since art doesn't pay shit, and people who want to take a job in the art field have to move to more populated areas to find better customer bases... well, put two and two together.

That, and more outspoken folks in the art community and ones that are more vocal on social media will generally tend to be young liberals.

Finally; stop worrying about what other people do or say and go fucking draw, faggot. That goes for all posting and lurking in this shit thread.

>>3168579
Who honestly gives a shit?

>>3168912
this
The most memorable artists were people who went against the traditional ways of thinking about art.
Nothing conservative about that.

>>3168579
Absolut nein

>>3168579
why are you /pol/tards so empty inside? wouldn't your time be better spent making art that you like instead of worrying about fat chicks taking pictures on a bridge? get a fucking life already

>>3169008
t fat roastie

>>3168579

I guess it's because of a lack of restriction. You get more freedom to do weird new stuff if you're left-leaning. If you're right-leaning, then there are concepts that you're prohibited from doing because you're expected to hold a standard.

It's considered "degenerate" to do porn from the perspective of a right-leaning individual, but it's considered normal/liberating from the perspective of a left-leaning one. Granted, those left-leaning types do restrict stuff, but it's a restriction of old content like Nazism.

If you want a right-leaning or centrist clique, then you can probably check out those who are interested with firearms or religion. The former is a mix of blue collar and creative stuff, it's legos for adults.

>>3168912
>>3169002

The old masters weren't liberal. Conservative institutions like the church approved of them and frequently commissioned them. If you were talking about how they were puritan, no one was actually negative about nudity or sex in the past. They were just opposed to nudity being placed in a sexual context publicly because they thought that it should be placed in the bedroom. Don't be fooled, they were very sexually active. That's why they had a higher birthrate than we did.

>>3169008

You think that he mocks randos unprovoked, but don't be fooled. Those left-leaning types frequently stick their noses in other's business. They accuse the majority or normalcy as an enemy, often taking action against their opponents through firing, instilling laws, cutting their funds, or assaulting.

You're right that it's better to focus on yourself though. Not only do people shift their political views over time, you can also create a clique yourself.

>>3169038
>You think that he mocks randos unprovoked, but don't be fooled. Those left-leaning types frequently stick their noses in other's business. They accuse the majority or normalcy as an enemy, often taking action against their opponents through firing, instilling laws, cutting their funds, or assaulting.

please spare me the sensationalism. americans really need to stop treating politics like football, it's pathetic. blaming each other for your problems while the billionaires rape the entire country and laugh about it.

>>3168579
They aren't?

Maybe you are confusing artist with artisan. Hell, maybe I am.

If you mean Artist to refer to someone who creates something, typically using traditional art mediums such as music or illustration, then its not because they are libtards that they do art.

Libtards are most commonly upper middle class privileged white people who wallow in their own pitifulness. Often white women too. Those are not the type of people to have an inclination to a less-sexy and rigorous degree such as STEM degrees, so they study the "liberal arts", which naturally often includes classical arts as well. Its also easier to make a more emotional connection with than engineering, which is a worker class male dominated area.

Being an actual ARTISAN , someone with expertise in his craft, has no bearing on one's social and political alignment. Its just someone who is well-taught in the arts of illustration/sculptoring/design/ whatever kind of artwork, and in fact many artisans appear all over rhe political spectrum.

>>3169112
This is actually a pretty great way of putting it. There are so many more artisans around as well aside from just concept artists or illustrators. You still get 3D artists, FX artists, riggers, etc. who have a certain amount of overlap with the principles of traditional art, even if they don't draw. Most of them are white men, and the majority probably share a lot of personality traits with STEM people. But they're still very much artists.

>>3169122
yea

I left 4chan for about 2 years, I come back and just about every board has been infected with /pol/ bullshit. Yeah I know that racism and edgelords has always been part of 4chan but this site just plain blows now.

>>3169209
please stay gone

>>3169038
Plenty of old masters back then were gay and I'm pretty sure if they were alive today they'd be liberal ( ex. Michelangelo ). The institutions that hired them may have been conservative but the artists that created the great works def weren't.

>>3169216
don't worry anon you can keep your hugbox I'm not interested in weebshit anyways

>>3169217
Yeah but Michelangelo wouldn't be at a gay pride parade with his cock out either.
Trying to label old masters as "liberal" or "conservative" seems kind of ridiculous pre American revolution.
Those terms as we know them today didn't even exist. Just because many artists liked to be anti establishment does not mean they'd be going full antifa mode.
And it's not like being gay, womanizing, or general hedonism and debauchery something that is reserved only for liberals. Plenty of politically conservative people still do that. An old master known for liking his hookers and opium is hardly a case study for the liberal agenda as we know it today.

>>3169217
Leonardo was suspected of being gay, despite inventing weapons he was massively against war, he liked wearing pink and would buy birds at markets just to set them free. Michelangelo there's no question he was gay, he pissed of the papacy when he painted the last judgement and everyone was nude including Christ, the pope hired another artist to cover the nudity. Caravaggio was simultaneously liked and hated by the church, he made paintings that resonated with laypeople but at the same time he painted saints and biblical figures as dirty and ugly commoners sometimes even hiring prostitutes to model for him. Many french artists during the 1800s lived the bohemian lifestyle, Van Gogh and Lautrec enjoyed hookers and absinthe. Ingres was a controversial artists by his peers because his art was not traditional enough. And so on and so on. Artists in general often lean to the liberal side of things, art itself attracts liberal minded people for their time.

>>3169244
I think older artists were idealistic, which makes them seem liberal by people today.
But modern artists are deconstructive and subversive. There's nothing that I consider "liberal" about promoting things that destroy civilization.

Anyways OP, the reason so many art circle are SJW is because they are all social climbers. They constantly evaluate one another to make sure people keep in line. Being a super SJW gets you a better status. These communities are self policing as any interaction with conservatives can get you a scarlet letter. Come out as a conservative yourself and you're blacklisted for life.
It is out of fear and social pressure that these situations happen. It's not just artist circles this happens to, it happens to any community that isn't explicitly right-wing.

But WHO is pushing this ideal? Go digging if you're actually curious.

>>3168606
Wisdom right here

>>3169244
the only reason why nu-conservatives love to claim old masters are 'on their side' is because in their minds depicting european males and european landscapes is enough to prove they're 'redpilled' 'european identitarians'

It's basically the other side of SJWs claiming that washington was black or that mozarts plays were written by a black woman. They dont care about facts, only about pushing their own agenda ie that guy up there claiming classic artists are conservative because the institutions back then were

>>3169237
>Yeah but Michelangelo wouldn't be at a gay pride parade with his cock out either.

Your right. He'd probably be too repressed/shy and just watch n' sketch guys then go home and write about it in a blog or tweet.

>>3168606
someone nails it without being a fucking faggot

>>3169267
Modern liberalism has never existed in this world, it is a completely modern invention that only appeared around the 1960s.
If you asked any person, let alone artist, back in the renaissance, if they think it would be "progressive" for their nations to be populated by negroes and arabs, they would think you were crazy.

>>3169228
Yeah you're right, this place is trash. I feel that you don't belong here. I feel that you deserve somewhere different, somewhere... better. A place for intellectuals. Reddit.

Because politics are politics and not art.

We try to keep art as apolitical as possible so nobody thinks we are right wing.

>>3169286
I think this is pretty spot-on. You only notice the left-wing artists because they're immature and like to flaunt progressive politics like a fashion accessory (because that's all it really is to them.) Conservative artists are more likely to, you know, just be interested in art.

So if an artist is conservative, you likely would never know. It's just the wacko liberals that you notice. They're the vocal minority.

>>3169282
>Modern liberalism has never existed in this world, it is a completely modern invention that only appeared around the 1960s.
of course it hasn't, sherlock. the problems that we face today did not exist back in the times when the people were dying from the common cold, millions of kids were working at farms and factories, and the average person didn't live past 50. everything that is happening now is a manifestation of modern technology outpacing and clashing with societal attitudes, economic principles, and religions that have barely evolved in comparison since early times.

>>3169267
>because in their minds depicting european males and european landscapes is enough to prove they're 'redpilled' 'european identitarians'
But the entire world was made up of racial identitarians before the modern age. If society was just as "progressive" and "liberal" back then as it is now, why didn't those people import millions of brown people every year and give them handouts?
There was no illusion of equality between the races in those times. The thought of racial equality simply didn't exist. The Europeans of those days mostly though of blacks as more similar to beasts than men. The other races might has well been aliens. It was just accepted as common sense not to mix the races, just like it would be common sense not to invite wild animals into your home and treat them as civilized men.
Racial identitarianism never existed as a political force in Europe because it never had to. Because there was never a racial problem, since the races didn't mingle.
Racial identitarianism exists in multicultural zones. When America was being founded, the European founding stock was deeply aware of racial issues and formed laws that reflected this. Laws to separate the races.

People who say shit like this are intentionally missing the point. If today we had a cult of people in the millions that wanted to inject babies with AIDS then you'd see a counteractive political force of anti-baby-aids advocates. The baby aids people couldn't simply say "well 100 years ago there were no anti-baby aids politics, so obviously you're just a hater and don't have any historical foundation to your belief that we shouldn't inject babies with aids."
A fish doesn't know what water is until he has none.

>>3169282
>If you asked any person, let alone artist, back in the renaissance, if they think it would be "progressive" for their nations to be populated by negroes and arabs, they would think you were crazy.
You're looking way to much to how the internet interprets politics and you're looking at it in a very black and white point of view. Liberalism isn't boiled down to whether you support immigration or not, and the problems and the views of today are not the same of yesterday. Not all of course but many artists during their lifetimes simply had views that at their times were considered progressive and radical.

>>3169301
>Liberalism isn't boiled down to whether you support immigration or not
Uh. If you don't support free immigration you're considered a Nazi nowadays.

>>3169244
pink being associated with women is a recent thing, as in last ~80 years recent

>>3169292
Absence of those issues doesn't lead a society into accepting multiculturalism and xenophillia. Modern technology doesn't lead to the chain of logic where you give away your ancestral homelands to another racial group.
If what you are saying is true, than the most advanced and prosperous a society becomes, the more racially mixed it will become. Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Korea, Taiwan, and economic hot-spots in coastal China are not at all racially mixed. They're not even partially racially mixed, most of these nations are a 90+% ethnic founding stock supermajority.

The reason people associate multiculturalism with progress in the west is because multiculturalism has followed progress wherever it is allowed. If your nation is resource rich and technologically advanced everyone in the world wants to be there and take those resources. It's only because the west has allowed this to happen that it happens.

>>3169302
That's according to the way the internet views politics which is either black or white. You support this you're a nazi, you don't support that you're a numale cuck.

>>3169297
Bro you're chugging that /pol/ koolaid. Society wasn't progressive but many artists in their lifetimes had ideas and views that in their day were often considered not traditional. And many artists lived lifestyles that /pol/ would considered degenerate and self destructive.

>>3169301
Modern day liberalism is the act of pathologically seceding resources to outgroups due to a feeling of guilt and injustice.
Modern day liberalism is taking what the founding stock has and doling it to the historically undeserving. It is about destroying the cultural and monetary influence and hegemony of the nation. Social issues that liberals support (and SJWs are primarily concerned with social issues) are all things that are intended destroy the host group and benefit the out-group. What is normal is undeserving, what is abnormal is deserving.
Liberalism of the past doesn't really describe modern day progressive politics. I can't really think of another group in history that acts the way modern progressives do. It's the politics of group suicide, and it's only ever been seen in the modern world, and was born not even a century ago.

To say that anyone born before the 1940s had anything in common with modern day progressives or would be considered modern day progressives is just ridiculous.

>>3169311
seems you haven't come to terms with the fact that, globally, whites are a minority and that population trends predict that the future is not white, it's chinese, indian, and african. some studies even say islam is predicted to be the dominant world religion. so squabble over border walls, "ancestral lands" and imaginary mass immigration, it won't matter in 100 years. but i suppose you can be happy that you'll be dead anyways when this all happens.

>>3169330
>the future is not white
so tired of this timeline

>>3169317
>Bro you're chugging that /pol/ koolaid
How is it /pol/ koolaid? No one, not even SJWs, deny that society before modern progressivism was extremely racist and xenophobic. Nations were historically products of blood and soil, not just ideas or civic contracts.
>And many artists lived lifestyles that /pol/ would considered degenerate and self destructive.
True, but they were not "progressives". They may have been "degenerates" for their time but they weren't anything like the self-flagellating political groups of today. They could be described as hedonists, but not as modern day liberals.

>>3169322
>To say that anyone born before the 1940s had anything in common with modern day progressives or would be considered modern day progressives is just ridiculous.
What part of "in their lifetimes" do you not understand? I never said that Leonardo would be a 1:1 replica of a 19 year old Che Guevara t shirt wearing liberal college student. Ideologies and views change and evolve all the time. The Marquis de Sade in all his splendid degeneracy didn't write about 50 genders. The ancient Greeks spent a lot of time talking and discussing ethics and morality and yet they had slavery.

>>3169330
>seems you haven't come to terms with the fact that, globally, whites are a minority and that population trends predict that the future is not white
I am fully aware of this, which is why I think it is suicidal for white SJWs to continue promoting their politics of racial guilt and suicide.
>it won't matter in 100 years
Because of our actions and our decisions made now. It is because of modern guilt politics that this situation has even happened in the first place. My concern is removing these policies and political agitators, not accepting death.
>you can be happy that you'll be dead.
No, and that is the difference between an idealist and a nihilist. I care about the world and its future after I am gone. I care about greatness over my own hedonism and temporary sources of pleasure. Happiness is a product of greatness, happiness is not a goal in and of itself.

>>3169341
Then the concept of "liberal" doesn't mean anything, just like the concept of "centrist" doesn't mean anything. It is completely contextualized by the time period and society that a person is raised in.
I am just tired of idiots acting smug when they claim that that artists who are idealized by the nationalists of today were considered "liberals". It is just semantics that are purposefully used to agitate.
A literal nazi of today has more in common with liberals of 200 years ago than he does with conservatives today.

>>3169330
>seems you haven't come to terms with the fact that, globally, whites are a minority and that population trends predict that the future is not white, it's chinese, indian, and african

The Whites had their turn for a couple hundred years now it's time for the Asians to rule. Things go in cycles.

>>3169330
You know, talking like this is what turns people into nationalists. You may not be an SJW or ant anti-white advocate yourself, but the fact that you realize the issue and tell people to follow along without any resistance doesn't really ease anyone's anxieties.
I think apathetic, apolitical, hedonistic, and materialistic people don't really realize that there are people that exist that are not satisfied with accepting decline. There are people who find it more valuable to fight and die for a cause, a belief, and ideal and cannot simply be pacified with creature comforts.
There are people who live today who think there is more to live than just themselves and their own happiness. Some people find happiness by striving for an ideal, not just hopping from dopamine rush to dopamine rush as society crumbles around them.

>>3169342
obviously you're a minority and as vocal as your group is online, the rest of the white world doesn't care judging by attitudes and actions. but hey, maybe you have a chance to actually make a difference. perhaps you can be the one to start another revolution and run more cars through all those who don't agree with you.

>>3169345
Well yeah pretty much. My argument in the thread all along has simply been that a lot of artist had viewpoints that were often just not considered traditional in their lifetimes. Conservative and liberal are irrelevant when you compare them in such a large span of time or even in distance by today's standards. A liberal in the US is not the same as a liberal in the middle east or a liberal in Japan. In Saudi Arabia they're just barely letting women drive and over there that's a very progressive thing to do.

>>3169348
>The Whites had their turn for a couple hundred years now it's time for the Asians to rule
Whites wouldn't have to have a turn if they were not suffering from guilt politics and pathological altruism. People who understand this and don't wish to see their group walk itself off a cliff are trying to recapture old ideals and old ways of thought.
The loss of power of the white race is completely and entirely self afflicted. When faced with this fact, either you become a traitor, a pacifist, or a rebel. The politics of a dying society fall into these categories. Which is why politics are becoming less about left vs. right and more about nationalism vs globalism.

>>3169353
It has only been through concerted efforts of indoctrination as well as bribery that the majority of whites think that the death of their nations is a good thing. When you remove the indoctrination and comforts, people become what they have been for the entirety of human history, non-suicidal.

>>3169353
>run more cars through all those who don't agree with you.

>one obese hamplanet has a hart attack near a car that jerks forward 5 feet into a crowd of bat-weilding commies.
>this is an act of "revolution"
You know, even if it were an actual politically motivated killing, if the death of one fat bitch is enough to save the white race from extinction then yeah, it's worth it.

>>3169366
>It has only been through concerted efforts of indoctrination as well as bribery
geez yeah, what a shame. such high IQ, inventors of everything, rulers of modern society and whites still can't think for themselves. such a waste. good thing the chinese and indians have a plan for the world.

>>3168875
> Failing to virtue-signal in life and in your work now makes you a conservative.
>No it doesn't.

apparently it does because thats why my brothers stupid ass soon to be wife was saying while she was virtue signaling.

>>3169376
You don't know how society functions, do you?
The majority of human capitol is spent reinforcing the accepted moral standards. Societies are self-policing, naturally encouraging "pro-social" behavior. It's only a few inventive and influential people at the top that change the direction of society. Naturally, a human population governed by their own wouldn't promote its own destruction. This system of organization and reinforcement is actually extremely beneficial when a people accept a healthy narrative. It keeps a nation functioning on all levels, on a large scale. Today's pro-social and fashionable behavior is deconstructive and suicidal.
When people espouse decontrustive and suicidal narratives they are rewarded. If you follow popular culture you are guaranteed a comfortable living (if you aren't functionally retarded). Even if these narratives ultimately lead to a slow, inevitable decline. The price of not espousing the narrative in the short term is more harmful to the individual. If I say I want my nation to remain white, I am ostracized, out of a job, and out of friends. I am shunned from polite society. For an individual, promoting slow death of a nation is preferable to ruining your own life.

Institutions such as media, government, schooling, entertainment is all important to have if you want to be one of the 1% who actually wants to influence popular narrative from the top down. Of course, it has to be a slow process, taking at least 2-3 generations. Given the right social conditioning, a person can accept anything.

If you think that Asians are impervious to these techniques you are wrong. This is psychological warfare on a national level, done over generations. China and other east asian countries use this very same technique to wrangle their citizenry, the difference being that they aren't governed by their enemies and not reinforce the suicide narrative, they reinforce tradition.

>>3169330
>with the fact that, globally, whites are a minority and that population trends predict that the future is not white, it's chinese, indian, and african. some studies even say islam is predicted to be the dominant world religion. so squabble over border walls, "ancestral lands" and imaginary mass immigration, it won't matter in 100 years. but i suppose you can be happy that you'll be dead anyways when this all happens.


just makes you wanna die doesn't it.

>>3169394
thats what my stupid ass brothers soon to be wife was saying *

>>3169397
ah ok, i get it now...
you and your peers are the beacon of light and truth among the white sheeple. the only ones who took the red pill and are capable of making up their own minds and seeing society for what it truly is. the millions of other whites all over the globe are enslaved to unseen puppet-masters who are convincing them that racial suicide is the way. they don't want the things they actually want or value the things they do, it's really the puppet-masters' wishes. if only, if only you could drop red pills from planes for your foolish white brethren like they drop rice over africa. it's not their fault at all because they can't control themselves and if they weren't under the puppet-masters' spell they would see the world as you do.

does that sound about right?

>>3169408
No, I don't think that whites are sheeple, more that all humans are biological creatures evolved for social living. These inherit instincts to create a functioning self-governed society is a good thing, in fact, it's what made civilization so great in the first place. If every human alive was a 145IQ radical individual then society as we know it couldn't work. I do not want to get rid of this behavior, it's more like I want the reigns of power and influence to be taken away from traitors and malcontents.

It is not puppet-masterism or complete totalitarianism where all whites see that they are being controlled and must obey. It is whites following social norms and popular culture due to a biological drive to conform, since group conformity is something that increases the likelihood for their survival, not an insult to their intelligence. Conformity also gives them access to polite society and all the resources produced from it. Evolutionary speaking, the smartest people are those willing to conform.

You're making a reality of human evolution into some sort of cartoonish strawman. Humans are social creatures. We are biologically driven to seek attention and approval from others. We are not sheep, since outstanding individuals do exist. Either good or bad. Non-conformists also exist, and they can exist anywhere on the spectrum of behavior and belief.
If you think the world and society is the way it is because people all at once came to the realization that multicultrualism, subjectivism, and deconstruction is the way to success, you're wrong. Talk to most people who hold these beliefs, usually they do not have a deep understanding why. These adopted ideas can be either correct or incorrect, it doesn't matter. What matters is that most people believe it.

Believing in something popular gives you a greater evolutionary advantage of believing something unpopular. That popular belied can be true or false, it doesn't matter.

>>3169425
>Evolutionary speaking, the smartest people are those willing to conform.
This is why the popular conception of modernity is such a paradox. You must conform to the belief in your own destruction and loss of power to stay alive and retain power.

>>3169425
>I do not want to get rid of this behavior, it's more like I want the reigns of power and influence to be taken away from traitors and malcontents.
ok and this pits you against literally millions of whites who do not feel the same way as you do and perhaps have the complete opposite view of the world than you. it's cartoonish to me because it's clearly hard for you to believe that sometimes a pipe is just a pipe. what you're describing about cultural influence and those basic psychology references are no grand secret or brand new knowledge. in fact this is shit you can learn in depth from taking advertising and marketing courses at just about any american college.

white people are doing what they like and getting what they want. get over it.

>>3169446
>ok and this pits you against literally millions of whites who do not feel the same way as you do and perhaps have the complete opposite view of the world than you
The same can be said for the people who changed society in the first place. It took them 2-3 generations to completely reverse the morals and popular opinions of millions of people. The issue isn't convincing "rationally minded" individuals to come to a different consensus. If you actually listened to what I've been saying instead of looking for ways to argue with me, you'd understand social change comes from influence, not good arguments.
To get people to believe what you want, you have to convince them that everyone else believes it. You have to manipulate their desire to conform to polite society. You do this by gaining influence on purveyors of society. Religious institutions, schools, media, entertainment. You use all of these tools to promote the "norm", and people will follow.

Yes white people are doing what they like, participating in polite society. White people however did not on their own come to the conclusion that it is within their best interest to go extinct. The benefits of entrance to polite society are weighed against the drawbacks of going extinct, and for the time being, those of us not faced with imminent death as a consequence to these standards are not forced to change Survival instincts take precedent over conformity as conformity is a means to an end.
As society becomes more harsh to live in, and as more white people are forced to "reap what they sow" there is a backlash when the cost of being a conformist outweighs the benefits.

>>3169446
>>3169448
The more diverse a society becomes and the more whites forced to confront the reality of their narrative, the more identity politics rise. White people are only going to become MORE racist as time goes on. If conformity is a biologically selected pressure due to group evolution, in a future where whites are pushed to extinction, the only whites who remain will be sexually selected to display ethnocentrism.
We've actually already seen this happen to a racial group in history. If you manage to survive extinction, as a people, you come out more tribal/ethnocentric than you were previously.

The future of the white race is going to be ultimately determined by the selective pressures of their environment. Whatever hardship that afflicts them will be eventually weeded out. Practically, it will diminish the size of the white race numerically, but the quality will be entirely different.

geeez this fucking thread. Is this what passes off as intellectual political discourse nowadays?

>>3169452
Tell us all about your enlightened political opinions then.

>>3169448
> If you actually listened to what I've been saying instead of looking for ways to argue with me, you'd understand social change comes from influence, not good arguments. To get people to believe what you want, you have to convince them that everyone else believes it. You have to manipulate their desire to conform to polite society. You do this by gaining influence on purveyors of society. Religious institutions, schools, media, entertainment. You use all of these tools to promote the "norm", and people will follow.... Blah blah blah
it's clear to me you're the kinda guy who loves smelling his own farts. once again: what you're blabbing on about is not some kinda grand conspiracy. all of this is discussed on a daily basis on school campuses across the country. fact is most whites do not care about what you and your ilk are zealously defending and they have made up their own minds about it. fact is whites will be a small minority in the future. your brilliant, high-brow, 2deep4u discourses on 4chan will have no effect on this whatsoever. you're free to toss and turn at night over the future of the white race and how it's not going to your vision but someday you're gonna have to put on your big boy pants and get over it.

>>3168579

leftism and openness to experience are highly correlated

>>3169460
>most whites do not care.
>"America must protect and preserve its White European heritage"
>31% agree, 29% no opinion, 34% disagree when all races in America are polled by Reuters/Ipsos/UVA
This is after 60 years living in a system in which claiming that will have you removed from polite society.

A good portion of whites do care, about half if we believe that every "agree" response was made by a white person. Under a system that doesn't promote the narrative of white guilt, that number would be a supermajority. In fact, it was the supermajority opinion for all of human history up until this point. America maintaining its white European heritage was socially accepted and codified in our laws since the begining of the nation, and only changed since 1965. Some people alive TODAY are produts of a segregated white ethnostate.
With the politics of racial mixing and multiculturalism, you're doing the biological equivalent of introducing a competing species into a single territory. Eventually over generations of selective pressure, the only whites who will remain will be ethnocentric. In 300 years, if trends continue, then the only whites who will remain will be tribal. This is further evidenced by the fact that the only whites who have a birth rate above replacement are conservative, and the more strongly conservative you are, the more children you have. The opposite is true for liberals. The more liberal you are, the less children you have.

The situation being forced on the west is basically an inadvertent eugenics program where only the most ethnocentric whites will be passing down their genes.
If you want that, then fine. Honestly, it might be a good thing. My only regret is that I'm living in the decline before the inevitable rise.

>>3169462
Leftism is also coordinated abnormally low levels of threat detection in the frontal lobe.
They've done studies where scientists can use electric impulses to suppress the areas in your brain responsible for threat and fear responses and get people to espouse more leftist beliefs.

memes are the new artform, and the left can't meme

I think most artists are probably very apolitical and just go with the flow. The left is good at framing themselves as compassionate, and people of opposing views as mean spirited, so lazy non-thinking artists are maybe prone to falling into their dogma. Highly successful artist-entrepreneurs might lean more right, or at least more libertarian, and we are seeing more and more of this type of person representing the artists of our time. At the same time, the "right" seems to flirt more and more with libertarian ideals and less with the religious fundamentalism they were associated with so heavily previously, and which probably didn't mesh well with artists. But there has been a bit of a switch where it is now the left that feels more socially authoritarian, in addition to their usual economic and bureaucratic/regulatory authoritarianism. The loud and obnoxious figures of the left who dominate social media and call for government oversight and authority seem opposed to the free spirit of the artist, in my mind.

>>3168579
There are probably a lot of conservative artists out there, but they are just quiet about it. Progressives aren't very tolerant and happily ruin your career if you dare to have different opinions.

>>3168584
I agree that Ben Garrison lacks nuance, but I wouldn't fully blame that on him. It's enough to be cool with the president or draw a cute girl with a MAGA hat and you are instantly far right and even worse, you will be excluded from many job opportunities. So I can understand why people like him don't even try to be subtle.

>>3168584
>>3169545
Isn't it different for literal political cartoonists? That's like saying an artist like Horsey don't have any subtlety. They're not trying to be subtle, they're trying to make political cartoons.The whole point of making political cartoons is to have an easily understandable political message.
The only thing wrong with Ben is that he uses too many words.

>>3168696
>I just don't think conservatives tend to value the arts & fostering creativity.
This. They're usually the first to put the arts and humanities on the chopping block when it comes to funding (but also the first to complain that art isnt like it used to be), and the first to call art usless because it isnt a reliable source of steady income.

god it's like you people haven't heard of leftists past socdems and blame it all on the magical 'SJW' boogeyman

>>3169606
>put the arts and humanities on the chopping block when it comes to funding
Art shouldn't be supported by tax dollars. Currently the government pays worthless people to squirt paint out of their vaginas as a statement about the patriarchy.
Any person should want to cut funding for that.
That's the problem with the leftist mindset though. "Unless you're taking other people's money to support something that means you're suppressing it." Not every problem is solved by throwing other people's money at it you know.

>>3168579
Because artists should be these odd daring people on the edge of society who challange our moral beliefs and prejudices.
Because everyone has this idea that establishment is this bunch of sexist corporate capitalist pigs who roll in money and corruption, care nothing for the nature and oppress the working class.
It's so, so easy to criticize this idea of society - to make art about environmentalism, civil rights, racism and famine, the poverty of the 3rd world, sexuality... aka libtard topics.

Even though the society has since 60yrs ago made a 180 degree turn and nowadays being conservative is the real counterculture.
But hey, try making art about European traditions, the beauty of caucasian women or the joy of starting a family.
They'll call you an unoriginal sellout that looks backward rather than pushing forward.

>>3169615
This. Art has always been a privatized, where either the church or some nobles would be commissioning the artist. The whole idea of government involvement in art programs sounds very much like propaganda to me.
An example would be communist Russia, where there was a boom in the arts for the purpose of creating idealized imagery of the glorious motherland. Artists under communism were guaranteed to be taken care of, as long as they drew/painted within the parameters of the political agenda. Many art schools in Russia are still following in the traditions with a strict focus on fundamentals as a result, which is actually kind of cool.
Not only that, but there was also a massive animation industry as well, most notably under Mosfilm, which was sort of like Disney for the region in that time. It's actually kind of underrated.
Lets not forget the architecture and sculpture, which would almost always be in the theme of military/worker, but executed extremely well.

I'm kind of getting off-course here, but my point is that yes, government funding can do a lot of good things for the arts, but then you have to be prepared to only be doing what is approved by the government.
Based on what people have been saying in this thread, this sort of system would be the antithesis to progressive/liberal artists who reject the status quo.
However, because the status-quo is currently extremely liberal (don't let the American presidency fool you, nearly every aspect of mass culture is liberally biased at the moment), it makes sense that the same liberal artists see absolutely nothing wrong with tailoring their art to this ideology, and would encourage government spending on the arts.

So really, in this sort of context, who's really the rebel now?

>>3169648
lol being contrarian =/= pushing forward

further proof liberals (liberal =/= leftists btw) are the real snowflakes

Right is more concerned with degeneracy and bad thought that should be repressed and denied (saying abortion is bad, but then secretly getting one, etc.). It won't be as real or interesting that way. Sort of like christian rock.

>>3168579
The current right wingers haven't been very supportive of art as a craft. So why should you support a political stance that devalues your job?

It would be like a rich person voting left.

>>3169660
Genuine question: where do you fall if say, you agree abortion is bad and shouldn't be easily available, but only because people should know better and have access to information for prevention. But then also where sexual freedom of all kinds is great, but lets everyone keep it in the bedroom and abolish public degeneracy. Don't worry about repressing and denying yourself in your own time, but refrain from asking people to support/encourage you on a public forum. Unless you're a pedo, in which case mob justice sounds appropriate.
Pls respond, I'm very confused.

>>3169648
The image of a evil sexist racist white male conning the people and victimizing oppressed minorities is a fiction that was contrived by the system to get people to target a fake enemy.
All of those multinational corporations are majority non-white, and they all promote the global market in the form of multiculturalism and outsourcing.
Then you have idiot progressives thinking they're fighting "the man", but are really acting as ground-level reinforcement for the establishment.
The only thing the leftist have gotten right is the environmental angle. But the system has already instructed them on how to protect the environment; redistributing money to the third world and telling westerners not to have children because "muh carbon footprint".
It's pretty insidious.

I'm not of the opinion that art should be used as a tool to fight the system no matter the circumstances. Art should simply seek to create beauty and promote idealism.

>>3169670
holy fuck do you people need to be reminded yet again that liberals =/= leftists

>>3168579

The harsh reality? Conservatives are usually persuaded to pursue "Real" jobs like being a Lawyer, Doctor etc possibly by their more traditional parents.

>>3169537
>Progressives aren't very tolerant and happily ruin your career if you dare to have different opinions.
implying you ever have an art career. now get back to washing those dishes before the manager sees you

>>3169674
>strawman
Wow you sure showed that guy.

>>3169651
>as long as they drew/painted within the parameters of the political agenda.
This. Government art programs are just crap, there is no actual room for freedom of expression. The way the government pays artists is through the university system (it also has its own "community" division as well). You get grants and cash by creating "themed" art. The theme is always promoting something progressive. Multiculturalism, woman's rights, civil rights, gay rights, immigrant rights, and so on and so on. They government doesn't give money to artists for images of beauty and quality. It gives artist money for slapping together "2deep4u" vagina paintings of women of color suffering.
back in 2010/11 my state college was giving away 10,000 to anyone who created artwork about "prominent women in history" and "the historical cause for feminism".

When the government gets its money involved in social issues, it's always with a progressive slant. The government won't pay artists to study, master a craft, and paint beautiful images just for the sake of creating beauty. They'd rather pay the girls in the OP to create shitty modern feminist art.

>>3169674
What I am saying is that drawing mild stuff like cute girls with MAGA hats on will get you labeled alt-right or far right and will deny you many work opportunities, which is why conservatives keep their political views to themselves.

>>3169676
>wow look at me i just took my first logic course and i can't wait to show 4chan how smart i am now!

>>3169672
It's just a shorthand. Sorry if it bothers you. I see them as progressives/globalists than anything left, right, liberal, or conservative.

>>3169678
So they told you it was the hats that didn't get you the job?
Are you sure it wasn't the shitty drawn lolis or that you have severe assburgers?

>>3169678
>drawing mild stuff like cute girls with MAGA hats on will get you labeled alt-right
and rightly so. it's just as cringeworthy as those fat chicks in op's picture drawing their trans-lesbian-otherkin-disabled-muslim OCs and getting made because they weren't expecting to be labeled.

if don't want people to care about your politics, don't make shitty political art.

>>3169686
*getting mad

>>3169684
>So they told you it was the hats that didn't get you the job?
This is a really autistic way of thinking that only someone with 0 social skills would ever say.
If you are discovered to be a conservative in the art community you're basically blacklisted. The artist community (your peers and possibly future coworkers) will not support you. They'll make sure that you don't get a job. Either by completely ignoring you or spreading the word around that you shouldn't be hired.

>>3169677
Don't forget that they'll never outright say it either. Some artist could spend their entire life being fed the idea that they are free to express whatever they want. That they should bare their soul. They should push the boundaries of creativity and skill.
Then it becomes the artschool meme of where you have the diligent student who has amazing technical ability hypothetically painting a masterpiece, lets say in some high fantasy, but it just wows everyone and holy shit this guy is Craig Mullins tier in school already!
And then the prize/grant goes to some bulldyke who collected her old tampons and hung them off of a coathanger.
And that will happen every. single. year.

That's basically how it plays out.

>>3169689
>If you are discovered to be a conservative in the art community you're basically blacklisted. The artist community (your peers and possibly future coworkers) will not support you. They'll make sure that you don't get a job. Either by completely ignoring you or spreading the word around that you shouldn't be hired.
Ok, post pics of all the rejection letters from studios you received after you revealed that you're a conservative during the job interview

>>3169686
Except drawing trans-lesbian-otherkin-etc.etc. will probably get you a job at a company so long as your art isn't gradeschool tier in quality.
Drawing that stuff also won't get you blacklisted, since it is status quo material.

You can draw transgender black muslim cripples as civil rights protestors and get hired. You draw one anime girl in a MAGA hat and you're marked for death.

>>3169686
Yeah except those OCs will still land them a job at Nickelodeon or Cartoon Network, don't kid yourself.

>>3169689
This is true and it's why we hide our power level. But I can tell you now not all hope is lost, we do tend to find eachother. It's not even full conservatives, it's enough to just be a centrist or a skeptic to be ostracized these days.

>>3169695
Right. Because those of us who aren't liberal/progressive are going to advertise this fact. The whole point he was making is that we completely avoid all forms of politics on public platforms. Just because we've seen it happen to others doesn't mean we're going to offer ourselves up for the sake of anecdotal evidence.

>>3169694
Basically. There's always one really, legitimately, technically skilled artist that winds up near me in my old art classes.
The government doesn't pay him to hone his skill and paint masterpieces for the public. The government pays frizzy haired stronk females to push slop so long as they can write a paragraph on why their crude, amateur acrylic painted vaginas represent the women's historic suffering under the patriarchy.

Then the talented guy is eventually hired by some Chinese concept art farm and the females stay in college for 8+ years collecting grants and becoming government employed community activists.

>>3169696

>>3169699
>Right. Because those of us who aren't liberal/progressive are going to advertise this fact. The whole point he was making is that we completely avoid all forms of politics on public platforms. Just because we've seen it happen to others doesn't mean we're going to offer ourselves up for the sake of anecdotal evidence.

>would actually talk about their political views at a job interview
>worried about not getting jobs because of their political views when they're not even qualified for the jobs to begin with

I'm sure you'll find your way out of Denny's someday, anon(s)

>>3169665
>abolish public degeneracy.
This is where you're repressing. Fucked up shit goes on no less even if there's no incest porn publicly available. We need open honest discourse, which is essentially therapy, not shutting your eyes to the cognitive dissonance of preaching wholesomeness while privately jerking it to midgets getting gang banged.

When you don't explore these subjects honestly in public, then you're making christian rock.

>>3169695
>Ok, post pics of all the rejection letters from studios you received after you revealed that you're a conservative during the job interview
This is just your autism, again. You're demanding highly specific evidence that you know dooesn't exist in a situation that never happened because people don't act like cartoon characters.

>come for the job interview
>Hello future employer! Make America great again! lol! Don't you love Trump? Hey here's my pitch for a cartoon: the Turner Diaries animated series!
>Oh my, I'm sorry but your politics are too extreme for us here. Here's a written letter about why I disagree with your beliefs. I'm also sending a memo with your name and picture to everyone in the industry specifically instructing them not to hire you.
>Drats! I can't believe this happened!

>>3169706
>open honest discourse
How to spot a disingenuous progressive in only 3 words.

>>3169700
Graduated in 2012, I had a similar experience. The top student in our course was a gay dude constantly making "provocative" designy-illustration (like, I guess, print type stuff?).
He spent 1 year in the industry and went to teaching at our same course fulltime.
A good 60% of the class went generic corporate advertising, the rest dropped art altogether after trying to make it while working in print shops.
I'm literally the only one who made it into film/games, and I got told by lecturers multiple times I'm NGMI, and they attempted to fail me out of the course twice.

>>3169707
>This is just your autism, again. You're demanding highly specific evidence that you know dooesn't exist in a situation that never happened because people don't act like cartoon characters.
Incredible accusations require evidence. Obviously you're not used to providing any for all your claims. No wonder you're unemployed.

>>3169709
Honestly the only thing good to come out of going to art school is being in an environment where competition forces you to work harder. Or even just being around shit artists, you want to show them up.
That and making a few connections if possible.

>>3169710
And yet, somehow multiple anons are still agreeing and sympathizing with him. Maybe it's not about proving anything to you, maybe it's about writing it out so others know they're not alone in noticing this. That's what a trend is.

>>3168696
> I just don't think conservatives tend to value the arts & fostering creativity.

They do, they just can't into the liberal art scam that's been going on the last 70 years. Fuck picasso

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnFjLFNloDU

>>3169711
It was a great time to really work through some serious issues without too much fear of consequence.
Also that sweet extra credit on future visa applications. Shit really does come in handy.

>>3169712
>safe space
Aww ok, sorry anons. I'll leave your hugbox thread so you can cry together about things that never happened to you

>>3169710
It has happened to me, and it has happened to acquaintances of mine. This kind of stuff happens quietly. Lots of gossip, never any outright letters of dismissal from your peers/employers. Like I said, it's just ignoring or avoidance. Your employer will most likely send you a soft-worded email about things "not working out", and so on.

But anyone without autism and 0 social awareness can deduct what the real situation is.

You really should be able to use reasoning to understand what's happening even on the public side of the art community. There are artists working in the industry that constantly talk about progressive politics, even aggressively. You won't find a single employed or seeking employment artist that posts anything remotely conservative. It's not just because "all artists r liberal :)", that's honestly a statistical impossibility. It's because the blacklist is real.
The fact that there are conservative artists in this thread proves that we exist, and are forced to hide our powerlevels because not doing so is career suicide, while doing the opposite is not only tolerated, but endorsed.

>>3169715
>>safe space
Do you even know what a safe space is?

>>3169713
What liberals mean when they say conservatives don't support art is
>they aren't willing to give tax money to art programs where the government squanders cash on promoting social issues over beauty
>they aren't willing to support modern """art""" and have a distaste for it aesthetically
>they are suspicious of the financial racket around famous artists, curators, museums, auctions, and so on.

Then when a conservative says he appreciates classical art and other forms of beautiful (non post-modern) art
>b-b-but that art was created by liberals! Michelangelo would totally be a deconstructivist feminist multiculturalist like me!

>>3169283
Not that anon but the internet as a whole isn't as fun after the election. It's sad that this site was ground zero, it was my favorite.

I hope to get shit done now though but if I'm being honest with myself, I know I won't.

>>3169727
Things aren't going to get better from here on, and they'll never return to normal. America is becoming too polarized. Identity politics is now politics. People are starting to form their own cohesive groups, all with irreconcilable differences.

>>3168640
>artists are murderers because they just want to be left alone to work on their craft without murderers murdering their asses

>>3168696
>In conservative districts, the arts are usually the first to get hurt by budget cuts or shifts
You don't think that's connected with the targets of the funding often plastering themselves all over media as explicit left-wing bigots and/or retards who smear bodily fluids over something and call it a day?

>>3169740
Almost anyone who isn't an artist thinks that the arts funding should be cut. And even then, a lot of artists want funding cut too.
The image of an artist is a snobbish political agitator, and their products are literally 2deep4u paint splatters and other dressed up trash with a a hackneyed profound meaning.
Not only are they usually trust-fund babies, but they don't even create anything of value to society anymore. Modern artists need to get all of their artificial government funding cut indefinitely.

Most artists lean left because they’re smart enough to know that the SJW thought police is a boogeyman.

>in after spurious claims of losing jobs because of totally innocent statements of conservative thought

Just admit you called someone a nigger, you bunch of children.

>>3169766
>because they’re smart enough to know that the SJW thought police is a boogeyman.
That doesn't follow any logic.
>innocent conservative thought
Most artists who are politically vocal think Trump and Bannon are white supremacists kkk nazis. You can say something as innocent as you support the US president and they'll treat you like you said all niggers must hang.

I fucking love this artist, anyone know who it is?

>>3169796
what is she holding at the end?
is that like poop in a bottle?

>>3169796
This comic artist doesn't understand what cultural appropriation is. It's just another example of right-wing retards attacking something that is not actually an issue.

>>3169802
Technology and modern living is white culture. Just because everyone universally likes it doesn't make it any less white.
Maybe if you were east asian you could make a reasonable claim on it, but not as a black.

>>3169802
I don't get all the fuss about cultural appropriation. It's inherently human to "appropriate" elements of other cultures we would like to adopt, ALL cultures have been doing it for millenniums.
It's a non issue but it's does pisses me off to hear it whenever it's brought up, be it by offended SJWs or whoever.

>>3168579
ALL classical and renaissance and all that old european arts are right wing. the best of art styles are always right wing. modern art and abstract art is not art.

>>3169782
>You can say something as innocent as you support the US president
It's not an innocent statement since the president is Trump. The onus is on you to explain yourself because Trump clearly sympathizes with racists, and perhaps even the KKK.

>>3169802
You're right. The officer should have taken her clothes too.

>>3169858
michealangelo was probably the most degenerate lefty god hating fuck there is back in the past.
fuck off with your trumpnigger news

>>3169796
maldraw
he makes these comics too

>>3169875
>Trump clearly sympathizes with racists, and perhaps even the KKK.

>>3169881
Fuck off mike nobody likes you

>>3169924
He sympathized with the Charlottesville white nationalist protesters, saying that they had some "good people".

>>3169936
What's wrong with white nationalism?

>>3169924
twitter.com/realdonaldtrump

>>3169939
>inb4 someone says something similar to pic related

>>3169942
Yeah, that's his Twitter, so what?

>>3169939
They're racists, including you most likely. You wouldn't mind being called a KKK nazi racist if those people shared your views of white supremacy, rationalizations for slavery, and treating women like children.

>>3169948
Your arguments are utterly predictable.

>>3168579
Once again this has nothing to do with art. Kill this thread.

>>3169952
These image macros make you look about as clever as my cousin with his rage comic tshirt.

>>3169800
Yes, looks like jenkem.

>>3169782
>That doesn't follow any logic

Yeah, it does. The people insisting that you HAVE to virtue-signal or you will be excommunicated from the art community for being a literal doublehitler are full of shit. You don’t have to virtue-signal. You can ignore that part of criticism completely. Almost all of the people who cry racism because a cast isn’t solid black are unpaid Medium posters with no power and no authority and no ability to influence hires.

>>3169956
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also Rick’s nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they’re not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick & Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick’s existential catchphrase “Wubba Lubba Dub Dub,” which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev’s Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon’s genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them.

And yes, by the way, i DO have a Rick & Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It’s for the ladies’ eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they’re within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid

>>3169963
how about you post that picture of sam hyde as pickle rick next. You're cringy.

>>3169948
You didn't say why it's wrong, you just called me names. I shouldn't have to explain to you why, specifically, the belief that white people should have their own nations, is not equivalent to brutally oppressing everyone that isn't a white man. You need to examine your own thought process

>>3169964
You ain't my boss, nigga.

>>3169965
I've talked with white nationalists, are even friends with a couple, and had long respectful conversations. Is it so unbelievable that I disagree despite understanding where you're coming from? They really wouldn't mind being called a nazi if it wasn't said to threaten them. They think fascism is okay. They think you could bring back slavery to a certain degree, even say that slavery wasn't all that bad for blacks. I think they're misguided and misinformed. If I were an easily triggered SJW landwhale I wouldn't browse 4chan.

>>3169972
Saying that it's wrong to believe in white autonomy and preservation because some idiots on /pol/ believe in stupid things is like saying that it's wrong to believe in women's respect and and rights because some idiots on tumblr or believe in stupid things. Anyway, even on /pol/, slavery is seen as America's biggest mistake, and the aryan woman is worshipped. I've seen few objections from /pol/acks in treating women the way that the spartans did

>>3169980
Slavery is seen as a mistake by pol because of all the black people it brought to America. I doubt they really care about the shittiness of slavery itself. They'll love to tell you that blacks themselves were/are slave holders to rationalize it. Now the funny thing is protesters in Charlottesville (good smart white nationalists) wanted to protect statues representing the movement in the united states which was for the continuation of slavery. And then they even waved confederate flags.

I can see reason in protecting culture, but you end up associating with idiots for the most part.

You can love someone but treat them like a child, e.g. children. Pol doesn't count on societal contributions from women outside of the duties that a housewife has.

>>3169972
>I have racist fascist friends who want to enslave black people, therefore you are a racist fascist who wants to enslave black people and also women too and also you punch puppies just like all these people I am friends with hurrr durrrrr.

No.

This thread: NGMI.

>>3170007
Then go ahead an denounce it in a sincere manner.