/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Robutt

so do i post my drawings or...?

>>3028691
yes please

I draw at work. No sketchbook but I have access to unlimited pads of blank paper. Also robutt

>>3029220
Whoops fixed

>>3029227
Use shadows to help define the masses. You are obfuscating the forms with your scattershot lighting model

>>3029391
i forgot how big that file was my bad

>>3028644
Flip your image on the horizontal, it'll point out a lot of inaccuracies in the angle of the face, the nose particularly will look 'off'

How do ya like muh style

>>3029671
is that a surface pro i see in the background?

>>3029671
It's ok

>>3029671
Good line variance. The lower right flower is weakest perhaps due to the uni-directional hatching

>>3029671
Try the same exercise but closing off your lines. Make each petal feel separate, but part of the whole.

>>3030412

>>3029879
>Make each petal feel separate, but part of the whole.
Use a cat's tongue brush and try the same exercise in paint.

>>3032303
like, a literally cats tongue? Or one of /these/ babies!

>>3032304

>>3032319
how would using a filbert make it that much harder to paint pettles that look separate

i think you're greatly underestimating the hilarity of the true catstongue.

video related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hPMc89sKhk

>>3032325
... What's your story ?

>get into anatomy class, actually start to get better kinda fast
>Want to git good as fast as possible but teacher just compliments me and occasionally tell me to out highlights or whatever
>Try a portrait (which I have more practice with)
>Teacher just tells me it's perfect and to make one for the class exposition
Fuck off teacher I want to be better

>>3032518
Requesting critique btw.

>>3032319
the brush in the picture is just another filbert

but you dont need any brush other than a filbert for anything all other brushes are useless (at least in oil painting)

>>3032534
pupils are a bit crooked. the shading on the head is p rough, I'm sure you can get more nuance out of that. the darkest shadows are pretty uneven, the wrinkles between his eyebrows shouldn't be the darkest thing on his face. the highlights should only be for emphasis, don't over-do them. instead, add some more depth/variation to the shadows, or use the white more evenly as a toner. right now it just looks like he's sparkling or really sweaty. ofc, perhaps he was super sweaty, but it doesn't come off as intentional

>>3032568
He was pretty sweaty kek
But yeah got it!
Thanks anon.

>>3032484
Well set a spell and listen!
>I traveled far
>to tell this tale
>you listened well
>and sent me mail
>I opened it with
>a butter knife
>it said farewell
>It was from my wife.

You cheating landlubber.

Rate my dragonfly skirmisher.

>>3032319
man i needed one of those fan brushes for something i was working on just yesterday.

Skeç

Skeç 2

3

Skeç 4

Sketç 5?

>huge filesize
>75% of the image is whitespace
yore a special kind of stupid

>>3032822
Don't listen to him, I found myself drawn to your art.

I gained access to a scanner!

>>3029394
Nice /fa/g
Is it watercolor ?

>>3029394
i love your lines. what pens do you use?

>>3032822
Whitespaceisapartooftheartyougoofball

>>3032714
4.5/10
It made me smile at least

>>3033027
Breety gud

i fought the law but the law won

>>3033092
yea the pants are watercolor + pen

>>3033443
i used papermate inkjoy gel pens (fucking amazing, ink flow is awesome) and a brush pen on the bottom shoes for some small areas.

>>3032829
>>3033471
neck yourselves cancer

>>3032829
>>3033471
sure is summer in here

>>3032800
>>3032802
>>3032804
>>3032807
>>3032809
lrn2photo

>>3032804
Are you Turkish, or do you live among the Germans?

>>3033487
I like it anon, that's a good Pepe.

>>3033678
Hmmmm? What does that means
>>3033695
No, what made you think that

>>3033678
Lrn2footo pffff, seriously dude? What.are you a mango?

Less fluttering cunt flaps and more art

gonna dump some warriors from quickposes, 2 mins each. tiny tiny drawings.

>>3034247

>>3034249

>>3034251
and done. hope these are at least interesting.

>>3032108
lel. i like this.

Trying to get back into drawing.

>>3028644
imagination

>>3035020
referenced

>>3034267
mileage is king, have fun! The face is nice in the fourth top pic.

I'll post some of mine too

>>3035021
reffed

>>3035036
add shoulders and/or hand, makes it less awkward

>>3035020
>>3035021
these are pretty dope
honestly feel like the ones without reference seem more dynamic

Looking at this through my phone the head looks a little big
>>3035042
yeah its just a sketch, I usually get bored when I get to the shoulders and stop

>>3035049

>>3035051
something different

>>3035045
Thanks, that's nice to hear. It's probs because I focus on movement from imagination but focus on anatomy from reference.

I wanna reach Christine Bian level though, still got yeaaaaars ahead of me.

I keep trying to experiment but always end up with boring headshots.

>>3035521

Guys I'm going on vacation in a month and I want to take a sketchbook. Usually I bring a binder full of copy paper but I want something a little nicer.

The mediums I use are mostly ink and marker, with graphite only for guide lines and maybe a bit of colored pencil. Mostly cartooning and technical sketching, although I'd like to spend a day drawing horses on my uncle's ranch.

Basically, I want smooth, white paper that won't bleed through like a pig.

Any suggestions?

>>3028644
I wanna make carnivorous horsies but i can't :'(

>>3035586
Kinda looks like the head of a dog more than what you are going for
I think it's the eyes aren't supposed to look straight forward, they usually sit more on the side of the head

>>3030414

>>3035586
Instead of just copying her design why not just learn the anatomy or horses and the predators you want to emulate.

>>3035710
The eyes on predators usually are placed more on the front of the head as they need to look at their prey as they chase them.

>>3035526

You can get pads of watercolour paper which won't bleed as much and have a bit of a tooth if you like that. Good for inks IMO but a not great for pencils, I feel like I have less control on these types of pads when using graphite

>>3029858
I do like this.

(tfw no qtddtot thread)
the sketchbook i have right now is falling apart on me; so i rly want to invest in another sketchbook, do any of you guys know of a well priced one with a hearty amount of pages. im thinking of branching out into more markers/watercolors too; so ones with thicker pages are a bonus

>>3036173

>>3036179

>>3035526
Marker paper is very smooth and lightweight, but it's only good for alcohol based ink.
Ink will only bleed to the back of the sheet, and not to other sheets of paper.

A couple of sargent studies
I'm trying to practice my watercolor technique

>>3032552
Really. Let's see you paint a large sky, with clouds, with a filbert, instead of a fan.

This is is the kind of post that makes this forum useless - the opinions of the clueless. God help anyone who takes you seriously. No, you're so right, the brushes developed over thousands of years are just completely worthless, and one brush can do everything. /s

>>3035806
this

>>3035803
you have no idea what you're talking about. Didn't you see my studies?

>>3036224
>paint a large sky, with clouds, with a filbert, instead of a fan
You're not supposed to paint clouds with a filbert?
I'm pretty sure that anon meant that a filbert can be reasonably used to paint anything, unlike other brushes, which have more specialized purposes.

>>3036255
>but you dont need any brush other than a filbert for anything all other brushes are useless (at least in oil painting)
No, he said "but you dont need any brush other than a filbert for anything all other brushes are useless (at least in oil painting)"

Which is laughably untrue, and the kind of shit comment that makes this forum so useless.

>>3036279
>>3036224
Hey dude, what about we both leave /ic/? There's blockers like Leechblock and StayFocusd and so on.

Because I agree that it's toxic after you reach a decent level... as a beginner, it's nice to be pointed towards Loomis, but then... Haven't gotten good critique here in 3 years, why am I still here?

>>3036437
And before anyone points out helpful critiques given, I'm the one who's making those like >>3035503 and >>3032723

Man, I miss Tehmeh and Teal and Foals.

Thanks for reading, this is not my blog, I'm just in a sad mood :)

>>3036442
I agree that /ic/ is pretty toxic, but I've been working hard to set a good example by giving redlines, paintovers, and answering art related questions.
It annoys me that there seems to be so many shitposters who don't even draw or participate in a meaningful way.

>>3036181
>>3036179
>>3036173
Vary line weights more and sharpen your tool

>>3035798
Inner forms of mouth posterior confusing

>>3036597
Best so far

>drops brush and walks off stage

from imagination

>>3036625
Can you do an artistic rendition of this meme >>>/qa/1419521 ?

>>3036583
I've tried too, but the vast majority here are shitposting, trolling, or tryhards who like to bully other people. This forum is not a healthy one for learning anything, when at least 75% of the "advice" is pulled straight out of some person with no experience or knowledge's ass. Some of the "advice' literally makes me sit her with my mouth open, speechless, that someone would post that.
I still try to help the ones who seem serious, but it's like fight back the tide with a bucket - the flood of auts and neckbeards is too great to overcome - especially since most of the posters here just want to draw porn.

>>3036801
>This forum is not a healthy one for learning anything
It still seems like /ic/ is one of the most helpful and lively art communities for learning art.
Places like reddit and deviantart are flooded with beginners, who cheer on each other's mediocrity.

Painting. Hope this is OK to post in this thread.

>>3036801
>>3036583
Just put your efforts towards something productive.

>>3036817
Coming from a working professional, personal network is the best.
imho, /ic/ is the worst, except for a starting beginner, because of the negativity.

>>3036835
I've got a career and freelance work to keep me busy, no fear, i've been working professionally as an artist and designer for longer than most of the shitposters here have been alive.

>>3036817
Not even remotely true. Anyway, the best forum for learning art is a studio, in person, with other artists. Once you've experienced it, you realize how meaningless this forum is, and why so little real advancement is made here.
Like I said in another thread, this forum is like the IT department decided to make an art club, with no outside guidance or teaching, and they're making up what they think art is as they go along.

If you're serious about studying art, this is the last place you should be. The most you'll get is stuck in a loop drawing boxes and copying Loomis for ten years, because the frauds and try hards here don't know how to advance from that.

This was done several years ago. It's meant to compliment this poem about Niagara.

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poems/detail/53336

Aircraft

>>3036858
Hands and feet need work

>>3038060
I assume that the netsuke figure was chipped. The Tanagra figure just wore away through the centuries; there was no hand left. It didn't make sense to alter it in context.

>>3036182

I'm considering getting a marker pad (that exact pad) but it doesn't seem ideal to use as a portable sketchbook.

It seems like I can't get a straight answer on marker paper though. Half the time people say it's perfect for markers, the other half they say it's terrible.

>>3029858
are you making the cover to a learn to draw book?

>>3038366
>Half the time people say it's perfect for markers, the other half they say it's terrible.
18lb - 70gsm... That particular sketchpad is terrible.

Go for 110lb - 200gsm.

Do doodles on calculus notes shoved in my sketchbook count?

>>3038080
whatever you say leonardo

>>3035526
Bristol paper

>>3039184

>>3037015
More aeroplanes.

Post more art

jesus i don't know how to save pictures not-shitty in photoshop.

I am sexually attracted to men.

Camille Claudel, and her Flutist.
https://youtu.be/5pDOGxEDDb8

Quick sketch from at work

>>3039789
nice!

>>3032807
I like the shadow your sketchbook is casting. drawing abysmal.

>>3041865
You forgot to draw a flute

I removed the drapery from her forearm because it looked strange from this angle.

Yes I suppose I drew a mahlstick. When Lucien Freud painted the Queen of England, he ended up with a picture of his mother. These things happen.

Last one would appreciate critique

>>3042180
>>3042184
I like your inking, particularly the hatching,

:) 2 months

>>3034214
I didn't think that, it's an avenue of conversation.

>>3039789
Nice work. Crisp.

>>3041873
Was this done from memory? I'm sorry I have to ask for your blog.

>>3042182
I love these kinds of hands.

>>3042868
These are really cool. I'd like to see more landscapes from you.

>>3035526

I ended up buying a store-brand hardcover sketchbook because it was only $10. It takes ink and marker surprisingly well, and only bleeds through with very heavy ink saturation.

>>3045186
I don't know why my phone likes to fuck up resolution so much

>>3044257
YES i could work on landscapes...
my objects just float right now :(
ur right thanks!!

>>3036625
This please >>3036643
Your work is great can you upload another one? I wanna watch more of your use of colors

Scanned some sketches and tried to put them all in an image. Be aware that the resolution of the image is a little bit big. Tell me what you think :D

>>3028644

working on fixing my old stuff

>>3045835
try to work in a clean manner , less lines but more confident ones , i can

>>3045836
I can hardly understand what are you trying to represent . Sorry , post it by mistake before i finished the sentence.

>>3045746
Jesus Christ on a cracker!

>>3045837
right.. loks like a bunch of scribbles to me now

>>3045837
maybe the rest of it is better??

Recent practice while watching a movie

>>3045999
Thanks! here's another one.

This one isn't pencil though. i'm just too lazy to fix my table.

>>3046148
eye placement is almost universally fucked and the other poster wasnt complimenting you; he was commenting on your shit photography

>>3046148
yeah man, you gotta work on your eye placement, the only one that looks remotely decent is the left one the 2nd page.

>>3047046
>>3047061
Thanks guys. Will work on it more.

>>3047160
and ffs just take a picture of the work, nobody gives two shits about the trash you are surrounded by

>>3047163
Sure. By the next pieces. I just took it quickly and never really bothered with how it looks . kek.

Skitching environments using MapCrunch. Still a newbie artist though.

>>3047251
Forgot to upload

>>3032660
Honestly what is this supposed to be?

>>3047252
sharpen your tool and vary your lineweight and values.

>>3047547
Thanks for the advice. I really suck at values especially on pincel it's really hard to build them compare to digital stuff. One question I'm really new at this, and I've drawing using a regular HB2 pencil would that be enough for environmental sketching? oe do I need more than that? Thanks in advance

>>3047575
Use a softer pencil; 4B-6B. Break up your piece into 3 values. Determine and set your darkest value (from life, the ref or imagined) on the page and gauge the other values from that baseline.
You can use lineweights in conjunction with your hatching to set the values and their differentiation.
Here is an example of using multiple value ranges for focus and back/foreground differentiation.

>>3047575
Use a softer pencil; 4B-6B. Break up your piece into 3 values. Determine and set your darkest value (from life, the ref or imagined) on the page and gauge the other values from that baseline.
You can use lineweights in conjunction with your hatching to set the values and their differentiation.
Here is an example of using multiple value ranges to draw focus to the characters by differentiating the background.

>>3047791
his hands are bit fucked up, specifically the ring finger on the non-dominant hand, which looks longer than all the others.

>>3046148
By the way, I was totally complementing you. Then other anons are right, though.
So work on that.

going over some lloomis

More art, more crit, fewer asspats, less shit

>>3050097
No

How many posts am I allowed to make in one sketchbook thread?

>>3052174
I'm going to wager it's no more than 2. I don't want to flog too much anyway

Whats a good pencil set for graphite sketchin?
CUrrently using a set of Kimberly pencils
Are the Palomino Blackwings worth getting?

Whats your reccs on sketching tools

>>3052174
Post what you wish. If you are prolific and produce work you feel is worth critiquing; post away.
In regards to your work; these pages are chaotic and lack focus. Try for some content cohesion and finish what you start.

Alright, I'll open up a new page and focus on completing the drawing. Thank you for the suggestion

>>3052290
You have potential else I wouldn't waste my time. Post and I will help you.

>>3034267

>>3049231
Good start, it'll be really tough at first, but practice will pay off.

Also, you may have noticed that the bottom right head doesn't match up with the profile next to it.

>>3052313
Thank you, I'm working on something more finished at the moment So I'll post that when it's done

my sketchbook this last week plus today.

>>3053091
Seems like "Roadkill"'s coming along very nice
>>3053067
I finished a drawing

bloke at cafe (1/4)

>>3035049
>>3035051
>>3035054
4spooky6me

cafe bloke (1/4)

cafe people + part of my book, just for fun (2/4)

Brush pen and marker warmups.

chair feat. radiator + boredom (3/4)

looking out the window (4/4)

>>3053505
1st one looks weird. like the shading doesn't match the lines. 2nd is better though.

>>3052313
Could you be any further up your own ass?

>>3053410
The foreground linework is well executed whereas the overall composition and value distribution is lacking. The eye is drawn to the darkest areas and one of them is a indistinct charred mass next to the cannon.
The perspective needs work. Level off the horizon line and the brick wall is off.
Drawing beams of sunlight is not a good idea. Your light sourcing and shadows are weak and inconsistent. Be cognizant of your light source and its effects on your masses and their resultant shadows.
Try to keep these things in mind when working; if you're overwhelmed focus on one issue until you feel more comfortable with it and move to another next drawing.

>>3053503
Vary your lines more; if you're going to utilize a single color/value for disparate elements use line weight to add visual interest. Draw the hands
>>3053505
Overall strong presence; good contrasting value range. The top characters head looks off as the eye level should be at the midpoint of the head. Needs a bit more meat on the top half.

>>3053503
Vary your lines more; if you're going to utilize a single color/value for disparate elements use line weight to add visual interest. Draw the hands
>>3053505
Overall strong presence; good contrasting value range. The top characters head looks off as the eye level should be at the midpoint of the head. Needs a bit more meat on the top half.

>>3030412
>>3030414
someone read their loomis

>>3053508
>>3054129

Thanks guys.

can i get some critique? or something, i did this a while ago, need to update my DA will post link if anyone wants.

I dont have a scanner.
I have to actually go outside to get enough light to capture decent pics of my sketchbook with my phone.
Is there a better way

>>3054754
What? Do you seriously not have a lamp nor a window in your home? I''m sure you can find a way anon

>>3054778
the lights in my apartment are really dim and are all in the center of each room which casts a shadow from me in every direction. So it always ruins photos
fart
barf

>>3054822
>clamp light
>5000k bulb
less than $10

>>3047169
You can hide the ear all you want anon. But we all know how tiny it is

Ksenia

1/?

>>3055543

>>3055555

>>3055556

Thematic variations.
https://youtu.be/OmfiITTE1-g

>>3056367
I know the angel's knee looks odd as hell.

>>3055426
This looks a lot like someone I trained on cash a few years back... She constantly stole from our store and my manager thought that it was my fault! Interesting character study, I love how you've got this watery methodology going on there.

>>3056645

>>3056646

>>3056646
you're really good at this

>>3056650

>>3054129
>Draw the hands
he moved before I could.

>>3056420
I mean she wasn't the brightest thief on the planet, it didn't take a Columbo to notice that she was a kleptomaniac... we just had to count the chip bags and gummi bear wrappers and put them on her tab, but I liked her and always wished she was better at stealing.

>>3056646
Some of these express very sweet sentiments but I guess the red denotes irony or something?

>>3056865

i generally use red to represent attachments to the physical world, here's a blatant example

>>3056913
Are they like cautionary tales for Siberians or Southeast Asians? It has a sort of loose orientation, like the artist's position is essentially neutral but still capable of registering distaste. I'd like to see a few more landscapes if you're using a moleskine.

>>3056913
>>3056652
>>3056650
>>3056646

why do these relatively shitty drawings ALWAYS get complements on these threads? leaves me utterly at a loss each time.
mate, you might have ideas, but your skill/technique needs work. I'm guessing you shit these out in 5m each. Don't be afraid of depth..

>>3028644
what do you use for the white highlight parts?

view from my cabin

>>3054652
It's good work, but we're missing a leg here. Post your DA account, by all means!

>>3028644

>>3028644

Sketching moving people, mostly faces, and heads. Recently started using this exercise and noticed improvements to all other areas of my art. At first the exercise was very difficult, but then some strange hand-eye-visualcortex stuff started happening. Try to make a habit of this three or four times a week. Anyone have suggestions, or critique.

>>3028644

Are there any downloadable rips of the current 1000 Frames of Hitchcock images?

Guess the movie

Jk

>>3057755
baby driver

>>3057292
white conte pencil

It's been too long since I had a chance to draw. A couple recent-ish things from the past few weeks

>>3058377

>>3058378

>>3058379

>>3058380

>>3058382

>>3058384

>>3058385

purty good! how old are you anon? blog?>>3058385
>>3058384
>>3058382

>>3058432
20 in a few months, no blog until I've reached a level I think is actually marketable. Until then I'll just post shit on /ic/ every so often

>>3058479
I like to see a sketchboard getting used.

>>3058596
focus on proportion and line weight variance

>>3058600
Thanks. The guy on the right has an especially laughably tiny head. Need to keep an eye on that

>>3058596

>>3058660
The terrain scale is awkward in the third panel. Hands need work. Looks as if they are urinating on the tree.

>>3058675
You're not urinating with your hands? What a weirdo!

got myself a scannero at savers for minimum pesos
posting a few pages

got myself a scannero at savers for minimum pesos
posting a few pages
[resized]

>>3059925
2/3

>>3059927
3/3

Fucking hell I'm going to go broke before I get good at drawing. Sketchbooks cost too much, and they have fuck all pages in them too so you go through them way too fast.

>>3060298
use printer paper and a clipboard then

>>3060319
I HATE using printer paper though, it always ends up messing up my room. I had about 100 sheets all over my floor before I cleaned them up again.

>>3060331
Just put them into a folder at the end of each day, that's what I do

I drew this yesterday, looking for some criticism on it.

>>3053091
I really like these. Are you working on a comic?

>>3058444
I really like your style, man

Misa Uehara. The Hidden Fortress, 1960.

Misa Uehara. 'The Hidden Fortress' (1960).

>>3061394
Asian hair is so particular. Nice work anon.

>>3060298

Get a stack of print paper

get a metal binder clip and clip it on a stack of paper as much as it can hold. The thickness of the paper stack will make it comfortable to draw on, rather than one layer of paper on some hard surface.

If you done with one paper turn it on the back or move it to the bottom of the stack.

>>3060298

You can get a 100 page sketchbook for under $10.

What's the problem?

>>3061487
bullshit can you

>>3062107

Right here: http://www.michaels.com/artists-loft-hardbound-sketchbook/M10449298.html

$5, 110 sheets.

This is a drawing

>>3062121
Would cost about $20 to have it shipped to my country

>>3062232

Where do you live?

>>3062235
ingerland

>>3062261

They don't have art supply stores in Bitchistan?

>>3062270
I will NOT leave my house even if it kills me.

>>3062308

Surely there are online retailers that cater to your autistic ass?

>>3062270
No I'm afraid the queen happened to shut them all down. Sort of the equivalent to the Terror Act really -- sketchbooks have proven to be too dangerous in British hands. Well I can try sending the queen a SASE asking her for a few of her own sketchbooks -- she's got PLENTY!!!

>>3062309
i looked all over amazon but not for cheap. i got a 50 page one for 15 pounds (including postage)

>>3062333

Amazon? Is that a joke? Never buy art shit on Amazon anon.

What about this? https://www.fredaldous.co.uk/collections/sketch-pads/products/daler-rowney-simply-sketchbook?variant=36010814798

>>3062339
why not buy art stuff at amazon? they have customer reviews so you know if it's good or not.

>>3062343
>why not buy art stuff at amazon?

Because prices are typically inflated.

> they have customer reviews so you know if it's good or not.

Jesus Christ man do you own damn research. If you want to know if something is good or bad, Google it. Then buy it from wherever you can get it cheapest.

>>3033027
Nice.

>>3055557
that looks really fuckin cool

>>3057095
But the thing is they're not shitty. Simplified doesn't have to mean bad. When I look at this I can quickly tell that this person has a decent grasp of anatomy and how to draw the figure, which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for most of the Chinese-cartoon-emulating weebs that inhabit this board

>>3061384
hell yeah

I've been trying to fill this pocket sketchbook with drawings from life

>>3060298
>doing art
>never leaves house
>means no job or income
>complaining that supplies is too expensive
>blames amazon on marked up prices
wew lad that's a special kind of high level autism you have there.

>>3062367
For a 4x6" moleskine drawing they're pretty good. The artist understands the basics of cartooning and fat pads, but not anatomy.

>>3062426
These are interesting.

excuse the lined paper.. i drew this during break or something

2

1one

>>3063244
2two (acryl on paper, my 1ste time about 20min sketch)

got a big ol book of aerial pics of europe

>>3063547
my dead friend used to draw like that

dig it

Studying armour

>>3063589
damn
r.i.p. me

>>3063690
Study form and perspective first.

>>3063547
Perspective gets jank at a few different points, but I assume you already know that. It's just a matter of drawing more to get more solid/accurate, from the drawing that book seems like it has some cool references in it

Cafe Drawings. Any and all feedback would be great

>>3064177

critique me plz

>>3064171
did you use gestures first and then construct over that, you'r lines are very confident.

>>3064509
kind of yes, kind of no. I sketched certain things out, in a manner you might call a gesture, but I didn't really have the time to do any construction since people moved so fast

>>3064504
Your faces are relatively strong, and its clear you've focused a lot on them. However your anatomy as a whole is pretty weak, your proportions being completely off. The most obvious fault is that the heads are way too large, but there are other problems as well like angles of attachment of limbs, as well as the shape of muscles that just don't look right.
Unfortunately there's no quick fix for this, and you really just have to keep practicing and making improvements (like actually looking at what you're doing wrong and correcting it instead of just drawing mindlessly) and you'll get there eventually.
The other problem is the chicken scratch. I scratched like you for the longest time, and the moment I started using longer, flowing lines, I saw massive improvement in my work. Try drawing with a fineliner or some other kind of pen, and just focus on making one mark for one continuous line. Your work will look better and I promise you won't regret it.

>>3064521
Do you recommend studying from anatomy books, the only life drawing classes in my area are for hen parties. My only other option is sketching people at the gym three times a week, being in a cold country people are usually covered up, even in summer.
Your right the chicken scratch needs to get btfo.
In regards to the proportions those guys are only five feet tall and very skinny so that probably exaggerates my already existing proportion problems. Thanks very much for that helpful critique.

>>3064532
Happy to help.
In my experience, the best solution would be a combination of both life and anatomy. Sketching people at the gym sounds like a great idea, and would essentially force you to work faster and make more meaningful and economic marks. In regards to life drawing, don't feel that you have to only draw naked people; most of the figures you'll be depicting will be clothed anyway, and all the important information will be conveyed even under clothing. Ultimately, do some reading and copying from established books, (the Loomis meme really helps) and then try to incorporate what you learn in those books into your life drawings, be they clothed or not.
Hope I helped.

>>3064504
its garbage, you need to draw boxes in perspective and train your line quality.You're trying to run when you cant stand up.