/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

How much are they?

>>2969806
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7tdxd0VS7fyUklsB30LrCA/videos

this girl is going through it, see for yourself.

>>2969824
Instructor mentoring costs $499/mo

Master mentoring $699/mo

>>2969934
Too much for my blood

>>2969806
>>2969806
AADDAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMM

I learned a lot just from watching his free videos. I might do the $99 a month option

>>2969972
>less then 12 k a year = rent
shit, me too. i can definitely do mentor but not master.

>>2969972
>>2969934

Heard that the most expensive option with Watts isn't really worth it. Also for $200/month more you get half the time you could spend with your instructor and consequently they (in this more expensive case Jeff, who on top of it all doesn't focus on teaching per se, but also managing bussiness and other stuff) know you less.

Idk, I think for online classes I'd pay less.

does anyone know what it would cost to be a student in his personally school? what are the classes like? how many days a week do you draw? is it like a normal school?

having the trained ability to copy a photo is not artistic its an autistic ability, the finished result says nothing, art speaks

>>2969897

Literally this picture. Fucking females. Sad thing it probably works too

>>2970375
To be fair in this case she can get away with it. Jeff Watts talks 90% of the time and 10% actual instruction so she can do something similar.
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Proko by the way is watts without Jeff's ramblings.

>>2970383
>Proko by the way is watts without Jeff's ramblings.
yes but it's replaced with dad jokes

>>2969897

>after half a year of drawing 2h/day start drawing facial features
>all was done were more complicated Loomis /Hampton heads and just mappings

...I might not understand at this point I am in which is the very beginning of my journey with art, but this seems like a slow progress and bad approach.

>>2970431
Are you sure she is drawing 2h a day? To me it looks like less than 1h a day.

>>2969897
So is she just copying a photo or is it a life drawing of a model? Does this course not include anything from imagination?
this type of 'human camera' drawing is literally just patience and measuring. learning how to rotate 3d objects in your mind and draw anything you want is the only lessons worth paying for. those skills are actually employable too - although if someone is shuffling that much money for art lessons they probably already have a good job

>>2970683
she bought all those plastic casts you'd see in a classroom and is copying from those as well as photos
>Does this course not include anything from imagination?
well nothing is preventing anyone from doing so

As someone who actually went to the brick and mortor and also did the online classes i will say they are decent, you might even get more information from them.

I will say there is nothing that's going to beat actually being there though. it's an amazing place and rich enviornment for artist to grow.

>>2970870
If only I had a gorillion dollars and could stomach living in commiefornia

>people criticizing classical atelier training for being classical atelier training

if you don't aspire to be a classical artist don't bother with watts

>>2970353
woah deep

>>2970870
I am in the process of saving money to study at an atelier for a few years and Watts Atelier is first on my list. While the pricing for the classes seems very fair and doable for me I have no idea how much rent and internet costs there. Do you have a rough estimate what the lowest rents are for just a shitty 1 room place to study? I live in Europe so I have absolutely zero idea how much I need to account for living costs.

>>2972057
Isn't Watts in LA? Just search the rates of LA places. It might be expensive since it's the city and all though.

>>2972060
No, the address is: 171 Calle Magdalena # 103, Encinitas, CA 92024, USA.

I would appreciate if anyone could give me a rough estimate for the shittiest apartment/room within reach or any useful links.

>>2972060
It's in Encinitas, a beach town. You're literally 10 minutes from the beach near Watts. Beach areas can be pricey to live at in California.

>>2972074
Unfortunately Watts is really shitty about helping students find temp housing. They might be better about it now since one of the younger students was murdered by his psycho room mate a couple years ago.

>>2972077
Yeah that's what I thought, fml. What are the default websites to look for rooms or apartments there?

>>2972082
I think I need more than temp housing because I plan on spending 3 years there (or at another school if I can't afford the rent).

>>2972085
Yeah, you need roommates, like at least 3 of them to pitch in all together.

>>2972074
When I was thinking of going to Stephen Silver's drawing academy a couple years ago I was legit thinking of buying a cargo van, furnishing it and bouncing between Walmart locations, because even a $10,000 van would be less expensive than living in a 130 square foot studio apartment for a couple weekends-but it never materialized because I'm a failure. I would still recommend it to anybody though. A van with a mattress, a solar array and a drawing desk sounds like the life, gnomesaiyan?

>>2972085
A lot of people go to Essex Heights because you can just walk across the street to the school in 10 minutes. Also a small grocery store conveniently by. Unfortunately Watts doesn't have a public forum so students can look for room mates which would seem ideal? But they probably figure students will find a way if they really want to come to the school.

>>2972089
So what's stopping you from doing it now?

>>2972088
It's not uncommon to see 3-4 students crammed in one bedroom apartment over at Essex Heights.

>>2972092
His art school proper got shuttered and now he only accepts a few students at a time. I applied and didn't get in. I'm not good enough, anyone trying to teach me would be wasting their time.

>>2972085
But if you do ever get a chance to go. Take classes with Jeff's dad. One of the best teachers there and you don't get the narcissistic rambling you get from Jeff.

>>2972103
Thanks, I will definitely take at least one of his dad's classes, but I have to admit I really like Jeff's ramblings, probably the main reason I haven't quit trying.

The life circumstances are perfect for me right now and I can afford to take 7 classes per term for 3 years, but I struggle to find a place to live for like 500-600€ a month. If I can't find an affordable place I will have to go to the Russian Art Acadmy in Florence, at least that's one of the few other schools who don't do sight-size all the time.

>>2970663

She said 2h per day + in more recent videos it looked like she did more, like 3-4h.

>>2972116
Why not go to the actual Russian Academy?

>>2972715
Are Russians good at art?

>>2970683
mfw you think the old masters did shit from their imagination even 20% of the time, kek

>>2970383

But Jeff's ramblings are the best part