/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2786649
Bitching is for nevergonnamakeits.

>>2786653
this

>>2786649
Art is so fucking hard, fuck, I want to be good, but it's so hard.

I want to do art but I'm too much of a pussy to leave stem, take a fucking high risk of going into art? disapoint my family and friends and just fucking do art. All I do is complain on /ic/ , the only people that tell me to just do it. FUCK but what if the anonymous autists on 4chan aren't right? What if I shouldn't do art because ill regret it? I love science, but I will never feel accomplished without doing art for a living. Fuck fuck fuck

>>2786696
>take a fucking high risk of going into art?

Meant to say: take the high risk of going into art, disapoint family, etc

>>2786696
>caring about family and friends when they aren't the one doing the work
Tell them to fuck off and do art.

if i post my poorly drawn furry fetish porn in /beg/ will i get any criticism or will i just get made fun of?

>>2786696
Fuck off and do stem. Nothing is better in life than money because you sure as fuck don't get any sort of accomplishment from doing work constantly compromised by the specifications of the people playing for it.

>>2786730
>Nothing is better in life than money
Also don't let people like this decide shit for you. Decide shit for yourself. It's your life.

>>2786735
What are you doing art for? Surely it isn't getting other people rich.

>>2786735
Of course.
>>2786705
I would if. But they help me a lot, so I feel kind of a guilt


>>2786730
Even if I did stem it wouldn't be for money

>>2786744
>guilt
You'll feel more regret if you don't pursue your path and be held back by other people your whole life.

>>2786744
You should try it for the money goy. It's way more satisfying. And you can do your furry porn on the side instead of doing someone else's shitty fetish to make rent.

not so much a /bitch/ but a /feels/. itd be great if the online community wasnt so dead right now. none of the pros i like post work much anymore. the forums are all dead or hanging on by a few last threads. and it seems like theres no new semi-pros or "getting close to making it" artists to follow. very lonely on the netscape these days. not much to be involved in besides working and staring out my window into the abyss.

>>2786758
It'd be great if the online community wasn't so annoying as well.

>>2786755
>>2786753
Thanks for the tip guys.

Im trying my best to just pass my classes and practice as much art as possible. Trying to find a good art school atm. Still, it would be optimal to drop stem because it takes the vast majority of my time. I'm 19 so I still have some time in my hands, I hope.

>>2786769
>I'm 19 so I still have some time in my hands, I hope.
You haven't noticed yet? About how everything mattered? How all those who are great at art at your age is because they were able to have the support and drew during their younger years? How if you are going to have to compete with them? How it's impossible to do if you don't put in as much as time as you can?

>>2786769
It takes time because it pays bank and you can retire at 30 and do all the art you want. I wish I had the opportunity and motivation to do it when you are because now I have to play catchup after following floaty pipe dreams.

>>2786696

Hey, another stembrah here. Think about WHY you want to do art, and decide the pros and cons of both art vs STEM. Do you even enjoy your major?

Why do you want to draw? Is it for the sheer joy of drawing well? Are there are pictures in your head that you cannot explain unless drawing it? You just want to impress girls? Or is it because you want to tell a story but don't want to do all the work? You can pursue stem (do it only if you enjoy it) and once you make money, outsource some of your artistic effort onto another artist. You don't have to draw everything yourself.

Even when I am drawing and improving my own skills, I still plan on outsourcing a lot of my art labor and paying other artists to work with me. That's one reason why I am pursuing STEM, for the security. I also plan on working with robots and electronics in the military once I graduate and I will incorporate a lot of my real world knowledge and experience working in the field into my own comics and stories. It's not "one or the other", most of the time your competence in one area will add and compliment your other skills. The only exception to this, I guess, would be your technical drawing skills but if you know how to think critically and solve problems (and a lot of STEM courses will force you to do that) you can transfer those skills to learning drawing techniques in a scientific, formulaic manner.

But yeah, think about it.

>>2786768

true true, and maybe thats what killed it, but i'd almost prefer it alive and annoying over dead.

>>2786773
>it pays bank and you can retire at 30 and do all the art you want.
>thinking this is possible in the current economy

>>2786771
>>2786773
>>2786775
Yea I like art for all the pure reasons, not to impress or anything. (Stem impresses more anyway) your idea of just hiring and working with other artists is kind of appealing, but I think id prefere to do very good art with/for a good team for a beautiful project.


If only we could split life in two and watch ourselves. These decisions destroy me. Rolling a die at this point seems like the best solution

>>2786784
Analytics anon.

>>2786786
You had to make the decision at some point, anon. Now is the time. It's literally now or never.

>>2786786
>Yea I like art for all the pure reasons, not to impress or anything.

ok anon be more specific. WHY DO YOU WANT TO DO ART? i asked you a question.

>>2786801
To produce feelings, sensations. I want to communicate the feeling of a scene, of a universe, of something. If I could chose the job i would be concept artist or work on story boards.

>>2786793
Slowly, im breaking up, but now is not the time.

>>2786653
when did this "never gonna make it" meme start?

I don't even understand why it's a thing.

>>2786818
It started when people wanted to shoot for their dreams even though they are incompetent.

>>2786771
>>2786773
>>2786755
>>2786753
Part of me wants to belive these two are just a samefag fucking with him kek.

>>2786821
Fuck you I don't play to passions like some faggot.

>>2786812
Did you do that piece?

I feel like the pursue of art is making me mentally ill, mostly because consciously trying to improve is a struggle because I'm self taught and not attending any classes and my only art "peers" are you jackasses online. ;( oh and I have to work low skill jobs to finance my hobby and I dread it horribly.

>>2786829
Lmao I wish. No it's some heavy rain concept art. I love browsing concept arrists and their art

>>2786825
Passion is the right way, pal.

>>2786812
>If I could chose the job i would be concept artist or work on story boards.

There's your answer. If you're only doing STEM because it's the "safe" path or because your parents want you to and you don't have much personal investment in it, then stop wasting your time. Drawing is a type of trade, and should be treated as such. Not the modern art bulllshit, which is probably what your parents are thinking when they hear "art". I never met a halfway good artist who wasn't employed, so once you're actually good at what you do, you'll get a job.

I personally went for stem because I want to be an engineer and it's something that would keep me interested, and I won't be happy doing art for a living. But the fuckload of work involved with STEM majors? I don't recommend it for people who don't care about it.

Switch to art, brah

>>2786825
>>2786836
Like a poem. Beautiful

>>2786837
Thanks for the tip stembro

>>2786649
ok ill bitch

so i graduated [undisclosed] art college 6 months ago, studying animation. I got a good grade, tried my best and was told by many of the tutors/lecturers I was good. I had high hopes but after 6 months yes 6 FUCKING MONTHS of sending off applications to studios I still haven't had a single bite, and to make me feel even more bitter my friend who graduated at the same time and can't draw for shit managed to land a cushy studio job god knows how. i am seething

>>2786851
Luck. Remember it's one of the many factors.

>>2786851
Keep trying. Maybe you're ugly? Do you do interviews? How are they?

>>2786696
>>2786744
>>2786769
>>2786812
>>2786845

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVEuPmVAb8o

>>2786837
>>2786786
>>2786696
Another STEM major here. I'm doing STEM to sustain myself but I'm doing art on the side because I want to be able the one day paint the things I try and create in my head. Well also to paint fanart dedicated to the things that have inspired me and have brought me personal joy and entertainment. Having extra money from STEM is also nice because I have some to use to support my favourite artists

>>2786856
That was one of the dumbest video I've ever seen. Got the same answer out of it that was in the beginning. Basically just fucking passion. He just was arguing semantics.

>>2786868
maybe you should work on your english skills.

>>2786859
if you're doing it just for the money to sustain your art then pick up a trade or go for one of those 2-year associates degree jobs. The money you get for the time and effort put into STEM degrees isn't that good when you think about it. Hell, even being a doctor or a lawyer is a better option in the long run, it just takes longer to get the degree.

Time is money. Time is blood. Don't do more work than you have to.

>>2786873
People are weird.
>4 years to get a STEM degree
>can be 4 years spent getting good at art

>>2786874
>4 years to get a STEM degree
>can be 4 years spent getting good at art

Exactly. Time is money, why put it somewhere that you don't give a shit about? Also it's usually 5 years for most students because a lot of engineers retake classes, and some students even take longer than that because we need to work and put food on the table. It's only the rich silver spoon kids who already got out of prep schools with AP courses completed who manage to finish in 4 years or less because their parents took care of all their needs for them (I am not bashing these kids, it's just what it is).

Live as if you were to die tomorrow (so do what you care about). Learn as if you were to live forever (so focus your attention on things you'll hold onto).

>>2786856
> old good talking redneck advice

>being an art brainlet

At least society sees stem chads as intelligent

I know that drawing requires an insane amount of dedication, and consistency. That you need to draw every single day, analyzing mistakes and, actively learning how to fix those mistakes through repetition no matter how tedious if one truly wanted to improve. I wish I could just blame it on talent or something when I can't seem to figure out how to draw something or if something didn't come out right. But in the end, I can only blame myself even with the amount of frustration I feel after trying to draw for 3 hours straight. I feel insanely stressed out because I have a clock of around 1-2 years left but I just can't seem to improve that quickly. I feel like giving up but this is the only thing I have left, and I do want to improve, but I don't put in the effort.

>>2786914
>But in the end, I can only blame myself even with the amount of frustration I feel after trying to draw for 3 hours straight.
Right? It feels horrible when the only person you can blame is yourself. But in truth, really everyone is at fault and it's not just you. It's just no one wants to take the blame and so it falls upon you.

>>2786914
>I feel insanely stressed out because I have a clock of around 1-2 years left

Jesus, why?

>>2786833
the feels senpai

>>2786833
Believe it or not, but to become good is quite literally insane. Why would you put yourself through so much pain just to do this one thing? But that's not how people look at it mainly because they don't realize the pain until they do it themselves.

>>2786775
>if you know how to think critically and solve problems (and a lot of STEM courses will force you to do that) you can transfer those skills to learning drawing techniques in a scientific, formulaic manner.

Isn't that bad for learning art? Like, isn't art are a different way of thinking? Learning with the right side of the brain told me that

>>2787042
Not really, that applies to all skills.

WHY DO I HAVE TO BE SO IRRESPONSIBLE GEEZ. I DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE FATHER I NEED TO FORGE MY OWN PATH

>>2787042
>Learning with the right side of the brain told me that
there's your problem. that book is only good for the exercises

>>2787108
Fuck. I only read the thought process and brain parts because I thought it was the good part? I read it on pdf, didnt bought it tho.

>mentally ill
>cannot into keeping a schedule
>born to never make it
>will probably end up doing customer service until I die with my ten cats eating my face

>>2787117
What's your illness, anon?

Just saying. I want to stop overthinking and just do shit. I love it when I get music going and zoning out on a drawing. But I don't do this often enough. My brain is a dick. It tells me shit and makes me overthink. That is all.

>>2787118
Depression, anxiety, and I'm starting to develop delusions which I hope is not schizophrenia since it sorta runs in my family.

I've been drawing out of love for nature and beauty but lately I've become so cynical and depressed I can't seem to enjoy it anymore. The meds aren't working that well and I'm terrified I'm going to spiral into depression again and lose my will to draw.

Especially stories are falling apart in my head so quickly.

>>2786649
I keep reducing the size of my works because of my shitty resolution cintiq and 'muh megabytes', mostly around 1000 x 800 pixels or smaller. And I didn't realize the minimum these days for online published artworks are roughly 3500 x 1500 or bigger. I feel guilty for drawing art for ants.

>>2787126
desu schizo is fairly treatable, won't stop you from making it and will help selling your work (unless you don't want to be known as schizo artist)

I don't know how to stop comparing myself to people who do the same subject as me, but are far better. It doesn't make sense to, they've been at it far longer than me, and i should be inspired or driven when i look at their work, but i just feel despair and embarrassment at what i can do. It feels like I'm a gibbering idiot that's just smearing shit on paper. I've improved from where i started, but i feel like I've failed for not being as good as others.

I injured my dominant hand so I am forcing myself to practice with my off hand. That's why I haven't updated in a week.

My eyes hurt real bad when I look at screens, idk what to do about it
How am I supposed to work digitally? Every year my eyes get worse...

>>2787515
I know it's probably treatable but it's just very hard to communicate with the psych since murrican health care on the mental health side is worse than the physical side. I know these are excuses but damn, it's fucking annoying to have to wait two months in order to talk to a psych face to face and hope that shit doesn't hit the fan while you're waiting.

Also, my coping mechanisms are complete shit. I haven't found anything that really works for more than two weeks.

>>2787803
Have you tried wearing those gamer glasses to stop the strain? It'll be hard to color with them but you could use them for non coloring things.

>>2787803
go talk to an optometrist

>see anons repost my art
>ask me if I have a blog
>I have such a low opinion of my artistic skill I refuse to make one until I am master level
Just fuck my shit up

>>2787982
>make blog
>set a bunch of drawings to upload
>delete it
whoops

>>2787907
I didn't, I got the general idea from people that they don't do very much for the eyes, but maybe I will try them personally

>>2787908
I did, he gave me some eye drops and said to spend less time on the computer...

>able to draw the human form with certainty and ease
>fuck everything up as soon as I try to give it a moeblob
>can't get proportions right, something so simple and flat and without any form or detail
>literally spend hours on the eyes and still fuck up in the end

Why.

I JUST CANT FUCKING RENDER! iTS SO FUCKING HARDDDDDDD

>>2786649
>Hurt hand
>Might be career ending
>Didn't even start my career

i spent 6 hours straight drawing a face, and nothing looked right, even with the help of two experts, i still couldnt fucking understand how to do it. im a fucking failure.

i want to fucking kill myself.

only losers complain. you'll never acheive anything by complaining.

go study, break the cycle, stop wasting time you depressed lazy faggots. learn, draw, paint, do something for christ's sake.

>>2788521
So I guess you're a loser as well, huh

>>2788081
Work on understanding forms, and if you feel like you understand them, then rendering will get easier with practice if you're new to it.

At least, that's how I was. Try some CTRL+PAINT videos. Wish you the best.

>>2788068
If you can draw the human form as good as you say you can, simplifying the structures should come with ease.

>>2788492
I know personally that giving up on a study or drawing that's difficult for me to figure out feels worse than if I don't do as much of a good job and still finish.

Put the drawing on hold - study whatever is giving you problems and come back to it with a clear head and some knowledge gained. You will feel better about yourself.

Never give up

>>2788529
It's not as easy as you put it, the problem is I focus so much on anatomy I over do it and a simplified face conflicts with whatever I am drawing hence the issues with proportions.

Don't tell me that drawing ellipses for the eyes should come with ease as well either.

>>2788538
Oh. Okay, well have you tried studying some cartoons or other sources that inspire you and also are stylized?

That should help.

>>2788065
Draw on paper.

>>2788630
That's what I'm doing during the times when eyes hurt the most for some time till they get better, then switch back and so on
But it's not solving anything for the long run, I want to work as concept artist eventually

>>2788633
Do your eyes always start hurting when you look at a screen?

>>2786851
Your (good) karma is low. His (good) karma is high.
Learn the difference

even tho my dream has been to be an artist for a good few years, people say I have talent and I practice as much as I can, I feel like I never improve

>>2788740
you probably don't practise enough

>>2788734
No, it's more like if I spend several days in a row working 8 hours on computer they start hurting even when I'm not in front of a screen.
I have to wait several days for them to calm before they get back to normal.
I noticed that few years ago i didn't have these small red veins on the white of my eyes, now they spread quite a lot and starting to reach the iris, I read that it can be dangerous so I'm starting to freak out

>>2788740
It's because you either don't have imagination or people to help/work with.
Even the top singers can't do big without producer/studio/composer/music arranger/lyricist etc.

You either go full concept artist or be a pawn worker and get ass btfo.

I hadn't time practicing art for several years but I never slacked on sharpening my imagination and creativity.

Protip: steal what moves you. inspirations are like that. passion keeps you coming back no matter how much time you lost practicing shitty useless refs. I have more concepts than any people reading this right now.

>>2787803
>>2788866
>I noticed that few years ago i didn't have these small red veins on the white of my eyes, now they spread quite a lot and starting to reach the iris, I read that it can be dangerous so I'm starting to freak out
Get checked bru, also stop smoking if you do. Artists must invest on healthy eyes like musicians do with their ears.

Also recommend not using meme FPS/gaming monitors. Those 144Hz can tire your eyes fast.

Also look for non-flicker brightness monitors. Forgot the term but those monitors will have noticeable flicker when you lower the brightness and it's kinda bad for the our eyes unless you're a normie who won't notice the difference.

>>2786834
>>2786812
/wg/ offers a lot of concept-ish refs and 'scenic' tags on boorus work too. Of course don't refs trace and try drawing them, just keep them for inspiration until you orgasm.

Also if you're the stem OP anon be surprised, Arts just got added and we 'steam' now.

I want to be one of those artists who can just talk about whatever on twitter.
I feel like if i do, people might not like me and ill lose followers.
I dont want to become "that guy" who everyone talks about being a cringy shithead instead of their artwork. i just want some sort of interaction with the people who follow me.

>>2789281
To do that, you have to market yourself and you may find the harsh truth that people don't like you. So, do what you want to do anon and believe it'll work out because I do too.

>reach out to another artist to try and be social
>attempt to compliment them to segway into conversation
>they reply "Thanks!" with no follow up.
>I try being nice but it comes on as being a "fan" and too compliment-y
>get treated with typical fan responses that dont lead to any sort of meaningful conversations.
Man i just wanted to make a friend, and I fucking blew it.

just fucking kill me

>>2789563
follow up the compliment with technical questions fans wouldn't ask about specific things you noticed in their art, to establish that you're at the same level.

I'm fucking tired of this little shitt tablet I got, had it for years now and it's starting to act up. Can barely move my hands properly when drawing. Wanted a cinteq or at least a bigger tablet for a while but poorfag. Ppl in my class got cinteq's all over whose not evening fucking drawing but just happend to be rich or get it by chance. Fuck I'm off hoping a miracle happends under the Christmas-tree today.

>>2786758
Try going on Instagram and interact with the artists there, but the only way to get their Artemis being on their level.

I'm a moron that threw away a scholarship at a pretty prestigious college (in health science) to go to art school. I have never had any prior interest in art, nor am I even adequate. I don't know why I did it, I just did.

I like the program and want to continue doing art. But I am absolute garbage and probably will get kicked out of the school anyday now.

How much did I fuck up? Pic is a live model drawing I had to make in 5 minutes. That's about 3 months of drawing that I learnt for the first time in my life. Arms are erased because they looked like pretzels.

>cried in art school in front of some people by accident

I am so ashamed.

>>2788938
>non-flicker brightness monitors
yeah should deff get one, i'm using laptop so i've been avoiding getting a separate monitor so far.

I never actually wanted to be an artist

I just want a kawaii japanese wife and kids

But I know Im too autistic and awkward to make one attracted to me

>>2789797
Aren't we all anon aren't we all

>>2789563
You didn't mess up, many artists are just shy or simply don't want to socialize over the internet.

>>2789281
I had the same stance for a while. The problem with the Internet is that if you say something moderate (that's the case when you're well-read about the shit you talk about), one side or the other will give you a thumbs up on your Tweet and use it as a springboard to say we need to fire up the ovens again, or alternatively, that white male cis scum is the cancer of this world, depending on which side of moderation your statement leaned towards and / or who you criticized directly or indirectly. By the time you're like "oh no, I didn't mean THAT" your words have already been twisted irredeemably.

That's in the best case scenario where people won't just hate what you just said and they'll start brigading against you and label you forever as a disgusting human being.

Sadly there's very little you can do about this. Just don't talk about politics, religion, society, justice, race... anything really. Just post art and stories. If someone confronts you with one of the subjects above, don't reply.

You can probably talk more freely once you have a chat or stream and you've checked your fans' intellect by observing what they say... but even then I wouldn't open up too much.

>>2786649
art is the only thing i have left.
i don't know if i'll make it without a degree and i struggle to hold or even get a min wage job to save up.
my high school grades are abysmal and i don't want to start university at 21 years old just to graduate at 25 for an arts degree or some other degree. being indebted nearing 30 would be the last thing i want.
still i see all the people on my facebook posting about how they're accepted into their fancy arts program, but they aren't serious so it means nothing, and i know they're wasting precious time and money doing something stupid.
how good do i have to be to make them look like idiots?
i want to outshine these retards. i want to show them that the four years they spent means nothing compared to me busting my ass everyday because i actually deserve their position.
i hate them. i hate anyone that could make such a stupid decision without thinking about it.
i wouldn't mind working for a video game company...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJAdA0RDgFg&feature=youtu.be&t=110

>>2789834
>i want to outshine these retards.
You might not want to believe me, but even as the cynical fuck I am I'll tell you that you can't make it if you base your art on this premise.

If you really want to excel and progress and be happy with your work, you must make art with the one and only intent of pursuing beauty. Wanna know why so many dumb people get really good at drawing? Because they don't think about it. They're doing something they love and they're rewarded for it. I think art (real art, not contemporary art) is one of the handful of fields where you can't make it if your ego gets in the way. It should be only you and the canvas.

>>2789876
that sounds like some hippy dippy shit and I'd like to see some examples of what you mean. making art requires real actual work, whether that's making thumbnails or studying gestures or finding flaws in your own work and improving on it.

>>2789834
not gonna make it

>>2789834
For one, you should look into scholarships for art schools. That way you get training and no debt. Just make sure the place is making you draw for hours every day, you build up skill fast at a place like that.

If you're not going to a school then that's fine but you need to work like you're paying for that shit and always study, always learn.

Video game companies suck to work for and can be fucking horrible to their artists. But if you can stick it out more power to you.

>>2786873
>2-year associates degree jobs

Explain?

>>2789876
Disagree. Art about being for beauty and love is a meme. True skilled workers acknowledge the discipline and the sense of failure that there is with art and see it as a business where you CAN lose. You have to be able to draw well and quick on only 2 hours of sleep with you're eyes baggy, and you'll always be competing against people who are FORCED (no freewill) to draw 15 hours a day.

And whats worst, all the people who are better than you are the most hatable degenerate people in the universe.

>>2789957
There's drawing sweatshops?

>>2789964
yes. Sit back and think about how against the odds you are. The most skilled artists in the world are very poor and are prisoners that get started doing basic menial drawing. Then if they show some potential, they get recruited onto higher skilled work. As for art teachers. They may know loomis or bridgman, but a lot of the best artist are just people that are told what to draw, and to do it right. 99% of people on /ic/ fail; including me. You want to know why? Because we actually have time to think and decide when to draw and bitch.

If you really want to improve your drawing, have some days where you get up, dont eat or drink all day, pee in a bucket by your computer, and fall asleep at your work desk, and no advil for the back pains.

Do this and youll gain some form of drawing enlightenment, i tell ya whut.

>>2789973
No I completely agree. You're referring to people that work in mangaka studios in Japan right? That's not literal slavery you know, but sometimes I wish I had some kind of art marine corp I could enter.

>>2789976
nope. I admire mangaka. And when I said hatable degenerate people >>2789957 I was refering to people like tumblr posters, sakimichan, or kr0n because they are better than 99% of /ic/ now but no where near professional.

Lets just say, ive looked into the animation business, dont think that what im saying 100% facts, but im just telling you how it is. It is literal slavery. Animation studios will hire literal Chinese prisoners because its piratically free. These guys dont draw boxes or memorize loomis all day like a fuckin retard, these people are told "DRAW THIS FUCKING ANIMU FACE, AND IF YOU SHOW ONE BIT OF SYMBOL DRAWING, IM GOING TO STAB YOUR HAND WITH AN H GRADE MECHANICAL PENCIL". They might have some chinky hooker on standby acting as an art reference. Study her FAST, because shell only be by your station for a few minutes.

So anyway, these prisoners draw animu girls for about a couple of months, and they are all on the brink of starving because their only food is leftover drawingboard paper. So then the assistant director will walk into the room and be like Chong Puu Khan sure does draw those animu faces better and more the efficient than other prisoners. I want him drawing some key frames and direct other prisoners."

And then, if they show some promise as a key frame animator in something like an obscure hentai animation company, they will get to move up to some more well known studio and work with japanese people instead of their taiwan brethren. So after about 5-7 years, you've managed to earn enough money to get a small apartment and eat more lavish stuff than 99 cent ramen noodles, and if you're lucky, you might get have gf or wife too.

Comic making is kind of the same, but its still a different craft.

Now, try to simulate this in America.

>>2789983
Is this 100% non fantasy? I know shit is crazy in Asia and there's sweatshops and child labor and all kinds of shot but I figured something like working for comic studios or whatever would require schooling or at least be voluntary even in shitty places like Taiwan. Where can I read more about this?

>>2789973
So basically just force yourself?

>>2790004
>>2790017
Kid. This is why you fail already. Who the fuck cares if its true or not. Just draw. You want to make comic? Draw me a doujin hentai by tomorrow. A hentai, nothing else. No one gives a crap about your artistic vision. People only want to see some yuri threesomes. I dont care how much you think you dont know how to draw, just keep trying to draw anime titties, and if it looks wrong, look at some reference and DO IT OVER. And if you dont get this fucking comic done right away, or if you dare browse the internet, IM REPLACING YOU WITH A TUMBLR GIRL!

And heres qt asian girl for thought,

>>2790033
Thank you for the inspiration, sensei

I want to stop drawing anime but I can't because I'm a faggot who won't let go of childish things. How can I look my dad in the eye and say that I'm a man? I get treated and talked down like I'm 12 because of gook cartoons. It's all the gooks fault and I want them to get nuked 3 more times for good measure so as to stop this evil mind control that is anime.

>>2790048
Proof there is a just god, thanks anon :^)

>>2786818
it's an old /fit/ meme
"we're all gonna make it" -- zyzz

>>2790004
he is pulling your nose. don't be so gullible on the internet.

I basically "learned" to draw by my own.
By that I mean that I never really did any study, never used references, never opened a book or what the fuck ever.
I did that because I never took drawing seriously, I fucking loved doing it but it was just that, a hobby for myself.
And then one day I decided that I wanted to improve, become better, do something with it, but along the way of my experience I picked up terrible habits, and I realized that if I wanted to realize that I'd need to relearn how to draw and this time do it correctly.

And I'd do that if I didn't stopped giving an absolute shit about anything, drawing included.
It's tearing me apart because even though I'm fucking awful at it, drawing is pretty much the only thing I'm remotely able to do, and yet whenever I pick up the pen I'm just going blank because I simply do not fucking give a shit anymore, but strangely enough when I'm NOT trying to draw I have all kind of ideas and other things I'd love to give form to.

My mind is basilly playing yoyo, and it's awful.

>>2790004
whoa whoa whoa
Taiwan is not a shitty place.
The food is cheap esp. for what is pretty much a first world country and it has one of the best universal healthcare systems. You could probably work for some childrens cartoon studio,

North Korea also has an animation industry. Take a look at Guy Delisle's Pyongyang

And if you just don't like Asia, you can go do animation at a French sweatshop

After reading this thread, y'all mother fuckers need to read letters to a young poet.

I'll sum it up for you in a paraphrased line from the book.

"Look within yourself and ask, do you need to do this? Do you need to create art? If that answer is no then stop now as this is a hard and painstaking road ahead of you. If you look within yourself and realize that you couldn't possibly live your life without art then carry on but realize the hard journey before you."

I want to get better at drawing the anatomy of many things (people, animals, plants) but every time I ask for advice I just get a bunch of faggots screaming "LOOMIS XD"
I've read loomis's guides too, and they're either too time-consuming or just not helpful enough.

>>2790389
>I want to get better
>Loomis is too time consuming or just not helpful enough

not gonna make it sorry man

>>2790179
Nobody else is going to draw my waifus the way I want them, so you might as well do it yourself.

>>2790413
>waifus
>s

>>2790389
DO STUDIES.

Practice breaking complex items down into their basic shapes, draw an imagined rotation of your reference.

There was a video tutorial thread around here a few days ago with over 90 gigs of lectures and shit (Over 20gigs of vilppu alone). If you want instruction but also a change of pace from Loomis, there are TONS of alternatives.

Don't expect people to spoon feed you, and do some fucking studies.

>>2788739
fuck off, karma doesn't exist. The universe only wants decent people to suffer.

>>2786912

This. Artists are long winded and are incapable of any higher-order thinking.

I'VE BEEN DOING ART FOR YEARS AND I'M STILL REALLY BAD AND NO WHERE NEAR I WANT TO BE AND I WANT TO BE FUCKING GOOD ALREADY I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO LIVE FOR

FUCK

I'm decent enough at everything I attempt to know how bad I really am at it. I can play guitar but I can't play anything original and nothing I play sounds right. I can draw stuff but it doesn't look good or realistic. I fucking hate my life.

EVERY TIME IM DRAWING I FEEL LIKE IM WASTING MY TIME THAT COULD BE BETTER SPENT SHITPOSTING OR PLAYING GAMES FUCK

>>2790702
Then you're practicing wrong.

>>2788068
we should call it being prokoed

>>2789688
I drew the penis on this pikachu's face. Years ago. It feels so odd to see it on an entirely different board years later.

>>2790702
How long you've been doing art is not indicative of how good you are.
Step back, evaluate your process, something is wrong, adjust.

>>2790725
shitposting does nothing
games does nothing
art creates something
practice is the pursuit of a skill that creates something

Think about that. one is a waste of time, the other is something which matters.

>>2791028
Wow you must feel really accomplished. (I would, I'm not being sarcastic) I saved it a while ago and use it for pretty much everything because I'm uncreative and it has a good balance between looking sad and funny

>>2786856
I like this guy, good video.

Just got kicked out of art school for never turning in any of my work and for beibg a shit artist. Oh well, looks like I'll become a doctor.

>>2792898
post work

>>2790164
I know exactly what you mean, I learned by myself by copying what I liked and doodling during classes as a teen cause it was just for my own enjoyment then when it came time to actually try to do something with it my mind won't let me do it. It's shit, got stuck in the concept and drawing phase but don't know how to actually finish anything let alone anything worth sharing with the internet, way too scary. Feels like shit.

>>2787798

so I discovered that I am probably left handed and I am practicing. It's such a PITA to get proper dexterity reeeeeeee

at least I am noticeably improving. Can't wait to get back to drawing real stuff.

>enrolled in CS
>just want to draw
>when school starts again I'll have almost zero time to draw
>don't make too much improvement cuz of no time to draw

At least I'm improving now that I don't have any classes... and I like programming and shit but fuck I love art.

Theme: https://youtu.be/_3SiHlwoyq0?t=41s

>>2792984

This, but at the graduate level. Feels bad, man.

My laptop got smashed so i'm limited to traditional. I'm just doing lineart all day long and my rendering is awful in comparison (even though my lineart is pretty low level in the first place).

>>2793110
try doing texture exercises and then light hitting those texture surfaces.

>>2792984
>>2792999

Take it from someone who followed their dreams: you're smart.

>>2793223
I mostly mean colour because my pallette is bland and uninspired. I'll do texturing anyways, it sounds like it should help with values.

>>2789957
not my fault if you aspire to draw manga and be a disposable cog in a shitty industry

>>2788734
Hey! I had the same issue (eyes hurting, headaches) and went to an optometrist, turns out I needed prescription glasses.
Get your eyes checked

I can't help but get really fucking jealous of Dowman Sayman. I've looked at his older works and to put it lightly his anatomy was pretty shit, but now his style is actually pretty neat and covers all that up... I wish I could make interesting stuff like him too.
>>2793246
B-but I make also compose music to go with my animus, I'm not disposable, right? ;____;

>>2793260
Douman is a great example that technical skill < direction and vision in storytelling.
Muggles can only really tell the difference between passable and great-or-above art, the only ones who will really appreciate your skill will be other artists.
When discussing art as a profession, /ic/ tunnelvisions into the same qualities they look for in art as a passion.

>>2793286
I see... it makes me sad though, because whenever I try to bullshit it like he does I get too worked up over the mistakes. And networking is important so I don't want to look like an idiot to all of you guys who are so much better than me :(

When I get depressed I can't bring myself to draw. Even if I do it's done with so little concentration and understanding. The problem is I'm depressed all the time.
How do you fags do it? Any pro tips to just push through despite everything?

>>2793347
You will get bored of being depressed eventually. I shit you not. It may take years, but it just happens one day.

>>2791028
Seeing someone post your OC is the heroin to (you)s weed

>>2793347
take medication

>>2790164
This is the exact same case for me down to the letter. What's annoying is that I can see my mistakes as I'm going ahead in a drawing and I know better, but it's tough breaking those bad habits after grinding them for so long. Just like the other poster, I can't find it in myself to ever finish anything, let alone upload it.

I've gotten so spergy about my drawings to the point I'll pretend to draw worse than I actually can and know less than what I actually know because the quality of my art is nowhere where I'd like it to be. When I was in school, I've gone to the lengths of denying and crediting someone else when I was caught with a drawing too. Old habits die hard.

>>2793286
>Muggles can only really tell the difference between passable and great-or-above art, the only ones who will really appreciate your skill will be other artists.

This so much. I have hit a level in which normies cannot tell that what is wrong with my art and the nuances are can only be seen by other artists.

But I don't have a single bone of storytelling in me, and that's way more important that I ever thought.

People cry listening to music and watching movies. I have only seen 1 (one) person getting sort of emotional in a museum in my entire life.

Raw art skills are for carrying the story, and without a story you're not carrying much.

Humans have a very limited amount of will power to change and do the things that we want to do. After a certain threshold our brain falls back to established and environmental patterns. Therefore making it is not simply all about forcing yourself to draw until your forehead bleeds. If it takes so much effort to push forward, you'll never make it. You can't just force yourself to not feel depressed, anxious, procrastination, lazy. This is scientifically proven.

Everyone who succeeds stands on the shoulders of giants, which can be translated to having a huge support network to push you forward. You often hear about "Privilege" nowadays, how certain people are propped up to succeed from birth. If the system is rigged to make some people win, then why not rig your own system that pushes you forward?

From listening to hundreds of podcasts and interviews I have found that all my favorite artists go through similar lifestyle design:

>Getting financial advice from working professionals.
>Stopping listening to art critics, instead listening to the consumer.
>Get honest positive artist friends that you can bounce ideas on (Instead of figuring out everything by yourself).
>Cutting all contact with family and friends who bitterly oppose your career.
>Find supportive people that help you do everyday life things.(A life partner that understands an artist's schedule)

My /bitch/ here is that I wanted to become an artist to be alone. I hate talking and discussing things with people. I hate explaining myself. I hate writing for others. I want to figure things all by myself. I thought that if I had enough skill I would never have to consider what the public thinks. I want to drown in my own worlds and never draw anything for anyone else. But a successful art career is a conversation, not a monologue. Social support is the backbone of a career, not skill. I'll probably never make it.

With this confession I hope you grant me some sleep.

>>2794568

The people who can do without the advice of others have probably built on that advice to the point where they don't need it, anon.

Use the resources available to you. Some day you'll surpass the need for it, if you work hard enough.

I'm going to start writing responses to common things I heard over the years inside of pastebins and linking them.

This one is to the young folks in this thread who are struggling to do their work and are feeling unmotivated and lazy - http://pastebin.com/LeGM5CzQ

It could very well be that you're approaching it from a very bad angle that is demotivating you before you can even get into the groove of things.

Building habits is always a grind at first, but if you stick to it it becomes a part of you and you no longer feel like you're an "outsider" to whatever you're doing.

>>2786851
Did you actually talk to people and get to know any professionals before you graduated? A lot of it is who know who.

>>2794655
I'll be waiting.

Not so much of a bitch, but a rant nonetheless...

I stopped showing my sketches to anyone but other artists, and i've never been fucking happier or more productive.

Gone are the days of adult children running away with my sketchbook to "show all their friends!", no more sweaty fingers smudging my graphite drawings, and not a single unwarranted irrelevant "I think my girlfriend's better than you tho, she draws maengah" whenever they see a highly unfinished doodle.

I feel like i don't really have a reason to "show off" my sketchbooks to anyone that isn't a client, teacher or an artist themselves, so i just keep them secret.

It's oddly freeing. Normies don't know what the fuck they're looking at anyway when they see what is obviously something made for practice and not intended as a finished piece.

>>2794655
i like this a lot, keep doing your best

I'm sick of never being able to fix my sleep cycle, resulting in uncontrollable emotional lows and crushed motiovation. I'm sick of being hyper sensitive, i'm sick of having a creative vision and knowing that i can do great things with art, film, music and acting but never doing anything about it. I'm sick of knowing that i could be someone in all of those fields of work but feeling like it'll never happen because of how fucking depressed and self destructive i am. I'm sick of not being man enough to just put myself together and shape up. I'm sick of everyone always thinking that i'm confident and will amount to something because im handsome and in the right circumstances can be charismatic and confident, when the truth is that most of the time i'm an insecure fuck, and that's the main reason behind why i haven't really "made it".

I'm sick of knowing that i could fuck a new girl every day if i only worked on my confidence a little.

I'm sick of being a bitch. I want to be better.

>>2786649
this seems like the most appropriate thread for this.

i've been on /ic/ for years and this board has just gotten horrible since around the time teal left.
I only really come around here to look for resource threads but at this point I hate this place so much I'm just gonna leave completely.

thanks to the sticky and /ic/ i'm at a point where i make money with my art and will probably be getting a job at a studio later this year. i've made a couple friends here but i'm so sick of all the cancer and misinformation thats getting spread around.

good luck anons, keep practicing

>>2795525
>i've made a couple friends here but i'm so sick of all the cancer and misinformation thats getting spread around.

please share anon

>>2795525
as someone whos probably not been here as long as you, im curious about what /ic/ used to be like, could you elaborate?

>>2795626

Dug this up when searching for teal and /ic/: http://imgur.com/gallery/8eHzD

Looks like good explanation of errors and ways to fix beginner mistakes. Are people like teal still on /ic/ ?

>>2795626
As someone different who has drifted on and mostly off for years, back in the early years it was the anti-deviantart. A bunch of goal-driven drawfags trying to break into the relatively new digital art thing in the relatively new field of entertainment design when there was nothing to go by but 50 year old figure drawing books from /co/. People posted their work regularly and talent stuck around because it was on a niche corner of a niche website frequented by relatively savvy people who were tired of the bullshit and drama other sites had.

It was essentially a perfect storm of otaku reacting to conceptart.org shitting the bed and deviantart becoming flooded with nevergonnamakeits. Now when you make it out of shit town you fuck off to anywhere else because posting your shit here isn't a good idea because you'll either invite trouble for yourself or start drama by being recognizable.

>>2795658
You can get excellent redlines, but the anons who are good at it have dayjobs these days and it doesn't happen often.

>>2795667 From >>2795658

Thanks for your answer.

How long ago was this? I thought it was relatively recent that conceptart.org went to shit. I haven't been on dA for almost a decade now so I am ignorant of whatever drama happened there.

>becoming flooded with nevergonnamakeits

In earnest what are NGMIs anyway? People who keep drawing stupid shit, overly emotional and easily butthurt beginners who can't take a crit and improve, or something else?

>Now when you make it out of shit town you fuck off to anywhere else because posting your shit here isn't a good idea because you'll either invite trouble for yourself or start drama by being recognizable.

Can't say I expect anything else from 4chan.

>>2786653
Funny you say that
>>2786649
I gave up on my art. 3rd year in college, SUNY Purchase. Not for any burned out, or dramatic reason really.Just life. My fucking parents harped the starving artist concept into me since i was a kid. There i was actually going to college for it and they STILL did it. That was mentally exhausting to say the least.

Then i met the girl whom i would later marry, and they nailed down things like "whats your plan for money? What kind of job are you looking to get out of school". That was a miserable fucking Junior year. So i dropped out in the last year, got a "real" job. Slowly the art stopped being in my life. I wasnt drawing, painting as much. Not enough time. That not enough time has eroded on 10 years later. Now i have friends(a bit younger than me but otherwise contemporary) who are doing the things i used to love and it gives me a lot of the "what could have beens". Friends who are designers, graphic artists, the kind of professional artist my family just told me i was never going to be.

Fucking sucks. Now, im desperatley trying to rekindle some of my old days. Im not old but im a bit involved to suddenly change careers, so nothing like that. Just ...a sad hobby now.

Take it from one of these nevergonnamakeits. Giving up sucks. Life sucks in general, but if art is really something you care for, then compromising it in your life is the last thing you ever want to do.
You will spend the rest of your life trying to remember that spark of who you were. With mixed success.

>>2795680
Between 2006 and 2010 was when I came around and lurked on and off. Lots of passable trips and namefags still posted.

No idea about the specifics of conceptart.org, but dA went from having some pretty strict QC, hosting professional portfolios and having nice communities to being a dumping ground for tweenage edge where you couldn't get critique if you tried and between the rules being selectively enforced and new heuristics for popularity, you couldn't rise from the shit.

You got it right about NGMIs. They seek validation while posting shit work. They're a great source of income, but make for a worthless community that has nothing to offer.

>Can't say I expect anything else from 4chan.
There are ways around it, but the real problem is that once you reach a certain point, there's no reason to reveal yourself in a thread, post WIPs or do much else other than redline artists you want to see more of. Revealing yourself is more of a /v/ or /co/ pastime.

>the only way to get over a plateau is to get our ass torn open

>>2795683
>tfw this is a person that you might become one day
The fear unsettles me. I want to make it.

I want to take art classes, learn graphic design, learn to animate in 2D, do cartoons, get into the industry. Create my own story, yet my family wants me to be a reporter or a filmmaker. God why, I need help.

>>2795736
>my family wants
Literally the dumbest people to listen to because they are typically the people who don't actually know what you want.

>>2795683

I had a span between my late teens and 20s, after a particular string of bad interviews over a long period of time. I was too demotivated to go and look for a job. A particular feeling of worthlessness washes over you for one reason or another.

So I settled on doing shit work for some time which I think helped the passion come back to me. I sat down and over a period of half a year or, maybe more, put a stronger portfolio together, learned through trial and error how to interview better, and finally got a job doing what I like doing. Still doing it, at a higher level, etc....

It's not so easy to figure out if what you're desiring to do is necessarily the right or the wrong thing, and while it's a shitty, often harmful meme to follow your passion sometimes it does pay off even when the deck is stacked against you.

>>2795683
I want to see you make it.

>>2786649
WHYWHYWHYWHYWHY I WANT TO BE GOOD POPULAR, MONEY SHEKELSS AND HAVE TONS OF KIND OVERSEAS FRIENDS NOWNOWNOWNOWNWONWOWNOWWNOW

WAVE THE FUCKING MAGICAL WOAND AND MAKE ME A PPPPRRRRROOOOOODDDDDIIIIIGGGGGYYYYYYYYYYYYYY~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


sorry gotta blow off some steam

i've got a shit ton of time on my hands but whenever i try to draw something or make an original piece i just feel so uninspired. i want to create my own universes but my skill (which isnt improving) won't allow me to.

>>2786696
lmao i make more than my dumbass friend with a four year coding degree working on car suspension systems. It took me a year for this certificate and cost me $2000

Stem is a joke unless you plan on going full on doctorate mega phd king

People need to stop fucking talking to me while I'm trying to FUCKING draw. Like are you people fucking serious though? Do you NOT seeing me trying to fucking do something here? Oh I forgot art is so eaaasssyyy because I'm "TALENTED". So why would I need to FUCKING CONCENTRATE right??????

>>2786712
Both. Post your shit everywhere desu. L2 take nothing personally. Just try to interpret whatever you get as best you can.

Furry a bitch tier fetish

>tfw draw lines like a senior citizen with arthritis

MAKE IT STOP!!

>>2786649
Improving is hard as fuck when you don't have art friends, you broke AF, you have the pressure to get a fucking job like for yesterday, no one encourages you and you are 70% self thaught.
But hey, if there is a will there is a way.

>>2797941
I'll be your art friend anon
I'm broke and have no jobs either