/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

PayPal.

Make them send a cheque to your parent's address,
payable to [insert your name]_HENTAI_ASSOCIATES.INC

How did you find those clients ? How long have you been posting drawing ?
I made a tumblr two weeks ago where I post frequently porn drawing but I feel like no one see it, when my skills are average and bad artists got a better popularity than me

>>2744142
post blog

>>2744142

Have you tried building up a little rapport with the other artists. Its like networking in anything else. Show them a little love, you'll get some in turn

Try reaching out to others with your skill level and anonymity so it's mutually beneficial

>>2744142
Search around and try to find a special fetish or something that doesn't really have alot of content, and then draw a couple of pieces that you post to forums or websites dedicated to that fetish.

>>2744135
anyone have that tutorial on how to do it safely?

>>2744150

You can get a verified PayPal under a fake name for like 20-40 bucks desul

Just make sure your source is legit and has recommendations from others. Also, a vps will help

>>2744131

Oh, nigger. They send you the money via PayPal by telling it's NOT PORN?

>>2744142
>two weeks.
Thats the problem.

Safely as in not getting scammed or safely as in not giving them your real name?

Because despite what some retards here think, editing the invoice does nothing to hide your identity, they still get your name upon payment.

>>2744268
This is why i don't want to use Paypal.

>>2744268
really? I set up 2 accounts and send an invoice to the other one and it doesn't show my real name.

>>2744381
I said upon payment. Deleting the name from the invoice will obviously stop the name from appearing on the invoice, but you still get payment details after the transaction.

>>2744268

You can create a business account, where I think only your business name is show, or use your initials J.S. instead of John Smith. Then ask your customers to pay first.

>>2744412
What I do not understand is whether you need an actual business for a business account.

In aussie you need a legal, registered business, and they check your documents once you start making iirc >$1000 a month. And if you don't have a real business, they basically take all your money.

>>2744150
>anyone have that tutorial on how to do it safely?

Can't you just send an invoice? Do clients get the chance to reply to that with "thanks for the furry loli scat drawing anonymous it's so hot!"

if so you could just arrange with them "don't say anything about the commission in the invoice, paypal doesn't like it"

>>2744430
Then move to another country then

>>2744436
I'm not a filthy aussie you stupid fat cunt, I'm asking a question.

>>2744430

If you're really serious about doing this long term, you could easily just get yourself an LLC for a couple hundred bucks and legally operate under that name

>>2744469
Isn't it super easy to find out who the owner of a business is, though?

>>2744478
Yes it is super easy to find out the business owner name. You can use a business partner to be your "front" and they send you all the $$. I think "CCBill.com" was handling the cash and payments for porn sites.

>>2744131
bitcoin would probably be the safest. whether or not you can convince a client to pay you that way is another question

One way to circumnavigate paypal long term is to connect your persona/brand with your patreon from very early on, and have people deliver the money for payment via pledges. Then you can tell patreon to wire the money to your bank account rather than to your paypal. It costs a little more though so you wouldn't want to do this for small monthly sums, but once you reach say $1500-$2500 a month.

>>2744652
I know at least one artist that uses exclusively bitcoin, and always has full slots, but she is popular enough to charge a fortune by commission standards

>>2744131
What about ccbill?
https://www.ccbill.com/html_forms/terms_and_conditions-english.html

control+f "adult"

Has anyone tried this page?

> http://go.getindiebill.com
>> What types of contents can I sell on IndieBill?
>>You can sell any type of digital contents with IndieBill - videos, photosets, audio files & zip files.
>>You can also sell art works & access to your social media accounts.

>>2744617
>>2744672
>ccbill
It looks like a subscription service, can you actually use it without having a website?

Because website ownership information is public, that just defeats the purpose.

>>2744672
>>2744721
>85% payout

>>2744728
From what I'm seeing indiebill is pretty legit. Go try make an account, is free. unfortunately I couldn't try self-purchase cause there is a verification wall that you are 18 and I wont bother searching for that shit they are requesting cause is 3 am where I live at, but they pretty much allow you to set up and upload what you want to sell digitally.

If any of you fags could try self-purchase you'll be making all of us a favor.
pls.

>Unlike traditional payment service providers like CCBill, there's no need to pay $500 to $1000 in annual fees to Visa / MasterCard
Holy shit, is this true?

>>2744733
There is still the issue of people having to use a credit card, and them taking 15 fucking percent + $1.

People would probably not want to have a strange expense showing up on their bank statement, especially if you charge non-retard rates.

>>2744738
Well, that was just my suggestion.
You can also try this:
> Paypal for artists
>>/biz/thread/S1143063

>>2744131
I use a payoneer card and have 0 problems.

>>2744655

who is she?

>>2744739
I'm not attacking you non, just giving my view on the issue, as someone considering the option.

>on't worry about clients doxing you, you can hide your personal info on business account invoices.
This is misleading, and everyone on /ic/ has the same wrong idea about what this means.
This only hides your name ON THE INVOICE itself. Once the client pays, they will see your name on the transaction details, the same place you see the transaction id, any exchange rates, and what the transaction will show up as on your bank statement if you pull money directly from your bank account instead of having money on the paypal account. Come to think of it, it actually turn up on your bank statement too in that case.

>>2744743
http://www.hentai-foundry.com/user/NinjaKitty
She's supposedly a commercial artist and used to use bitcoin to stay anonymous, but I can't actually find any mention of how she processes payment right now. IIRC it was buried somewhere.

I suggest reading her commission and other info on how she conducts her business, she's one of the rare people who do "commissions" that aren't retarded.

>>2744739
I'm not attacking you anon, just giving my view on the issue, as someone considering the option.

>don't worry about clients doxing you, you can hide your personal info on business account invoices.
This is misleading, and everyone on /ic/ has the same wrong idea about what this means.
This only hides your name ON THE INVOICE itself. Once the client pays, they will see your name on the transaction details, the same place you see the transaction id, any exchange rates, and what the transaction will show up as on your bank statement if you pull money directly from your bank account instead of having money on the paypal account. Come to think of it, it might actually turn up on your bank statement too in that case.

>>2744743
http://www.hentai-foundry.com/user/NinjaKitty
She's supposedly a commercial artist and used to use bitcoin to stay anonymous, but I can't actually find any mention of how she processes payment right now. IIRC it was buried somewhere.

I suggest reading her commission and other info on how she conducts her business, she's one of the rare people who do "commissions" that aren't retarded.

>>2744749
Try asking /biz/ about that. >>>/biz/1611350
try searching the archives too

>>2744721
>>2744733
>Any presentation or representation of minors engaged in intimate physical conduct or sexual situations, including but not limited to lewd nude depictions, masturbation or sexual conduct, actual or depicted;
>not limited to lewd nude
>lewd
Is this a common English word for the baguettes?

This page is fairly new, just launched like 2 months ago:
https://www.pledgex.net
https://www.lewdgamer.com/2016/04/06/interview-with-new-porn-crowdfunding-platform-pledgex/

Apparently is just porntreon

>>2744724
Website ownership is only public if you don't shield it, which you can do with any number of services when getting the site.

>>2744795
So it does the same thing patreon does, except without the smokescreen of reputable content letting you openly send them money.

Oh wait, they can't even take your money, you need to give them bitcoin.

>>2744142
Post blog. If it's good I'll shill for it

>>2744739
>>>/biz/thread/S1143063

so who's that porn billionaire

>>2744849
>he doesn't know

I'm thinking of becoming a porn artist once I get good enough, all of this seems so awfully complicated
Why is selling porn art so difficult, what is the reason behind all of these restrictions and laws?

>>2744911
can't be helped

>>2744142
Get along with others who already have a following. People will reblog some of your stuff if they think you're good but relatively unnoticed. It's an unspoken "I scratch your back you scratch mine" sort of community.

Some degree of non autism is required. Just reply to people some times, reblog their stuff some times. If no other artist is reblogging or subscribing to you at that point chances are they already saw your stuff and didn't think it was good enough, no need to shove it in their face yourself.

Once you got a small following it usually snowballs on its own over time because of how social media works.

bump

>>2744441
>you stupid fat cunt
are you sure you're not aussie m8?

>>2744131
>Whats the safest way to get paid for porn?
>Draw porn (you don't even have to be good just better than stick figures)
>Draw fetish art
>Post art on tumblr/deviantart
>Take requests/comissions
>Patreon
And you're done

Make a porn site and put a lot of Ads.

>>2745520
>Patreon
Don't you need a lot of following for that to make good income?

>>2745520
>Draw porn
>Post art
>Deviantart
Stop.

>>2745838
You can post all kinds of /d/ level shit on dA as long as there is no penetration.

>>2745845
And now sign of sexual arousal, no genital fluids, no implied penetration or oral sex... DA is pretty shit for actual lewd art.

>>2744795
>(You)
>laughing_whores.png
O-okay....

>>2745912
kek i didn't even notice

>>2744795
>https://www.pledgex.net

Is there a single advantage that this has over patreon? I'm looking at it now and I just can't think of any

>>2746143
Patreon doesn't allow explicit stuff

>>2746150

So why are there furfag artists in there?

>>2746154
For the same reason there are lewd videos on youtube.
People don't report, they don't moderate.

>>2746150
It does.

>>2746143
Real porn can't go on patreon.
That is literally it.

PledgeX also changed their stance on Bitcoin. They actually accept credit card now.

>>2746170

But nsfw art is totally fine, right?

>>2744131
I'm a seasonal illegal immigrant fisherman.
We get paid through payoneer.

>>2746565
That's cool, Sven, but is it anonymous?

>>2746687
>Used to pay for ilegal services
No nigger, everyone will know and SWAT will come for you for drawing dicks.

>>2747653
It's not anonymous, the fuck are you talking about?

>hurr durr illegal fishing
has nothing to do with having your name shown to the client.

>>2749461
What does your name matter, you're nobody.
And you can make a payoneer under a false name and never again deal with anything but an ATM to get your money.

How do you learn to draw porn?

>>2749635
If you can pose and draw human bodies without reference and have watched a lot of porn it should come easy.

>>2749635
Study anatomy, otherwise you will draw these strange cartoony porn we see these days.

If I'm selling pornz on patreon I can't get paid via paypal?

>>2749502
It is the entire point of this thread, retard.

And no, you can't just make it under a false name, they check once you have income and freeze it if they see funny shit, otherwise they are an accomplice in fraud and/or crime.

>>2750110
http://webcomics.com/articles/social-media/patreon-greenlights-paypal-for-nsfw-creators/

>>2744749
>http://www.hentai-foundry.com/user/NinjaKitty

Jesus, that artwork is barely approaching decent standard quality.

Her anatomy is Liefeldesque.

>>2750260
Pornography isn't about naturalism. It's a hyperromantic representation and infamously has very little to do with reality.

>>2750273
I'm not talking about exaggerated dicks or boobs. I am talking about a rudimentary grasp on such things like anatomy and perspective which most porn artists with a large following have.

>>2750260
1000% correct anatomy is hardly important in this business. Call me when you are as consistant with your feed and update.
What's that? You didn't even draw today? Ok.

>>2744131
If you're the artist in the image, I was considering commissioning you for a game I'm working on.
Your style is too crass.

>>2750260
I like her stylization. Her anatomy is a bit lacking, but really I would pay her to do some art if I had something specific I wanted done.

>>2744131
"Processed pig is white trash meat. Some people call it Spam."
Sacha Grey

>>2752377
most dont even get it half right tho

>>2746206
Not really.
I think they draw a line on the amount of dirty shit possible, but really as long as people don't make a fuss about it Patreon isn't going to bother, since a lot of their income are probably from the trillions furry artists using their services.

>tfw you want to work in the animation industry because it's a good job to have, security, and you can openly talk about it to your family and friends who think it's cool
>but you really enjoy making lewd art and doing furry work, but can't choose a career in it because of the social stigmas and uncertainty of constant work

I'm hoping since Zootopia the animation industry is leaning towards a more acceptable furry portfolio.

>>2756143
It's fine, stop talking out your ass.

I have a question regarding doing commissions for the first time

I'm absolutely terrified and every time I decide it's time I get a panic attack
>body turns cold
>can't breathe properly
>anxiety rises

I NEED to earn money but it's too scary

>>2756260
meditate or man the fuck up

>>2756263
I have tried that but what scares me the most is not being able to make the client happy so whenever that thought crosses my mind I put the idea of opening commissions on hold and go back to practice more

it's a cycle that has been repeating forever since february

>>2756267
>not being able to make the client happy
Your client is giving money to see a drawing of video game characters with their dicks out, how hard could pleasing him be?

>tfw no prostitute with this level of job commitment and customer service

>>2756279
alright I finally did it

thanks for the perspective anon

>>2756343
You need to stop being a fucking pussy, have more confidence in yourself and your work and don't worry so much about what other people think. Get better at your art and maybe you won't feel so unsure about whether or not you can please your clients with your commission work

Hi hi, hello. May I hijack this thread a bit?
I've always been afraid of drawing smut because I don't like the standard fetishes and I don't like drawing them (futa furry) but my friend recently is pushing me to try. I'd rather do my own thing but futas are so popular nowdays that I think i'd be seriously gimping myself if I don't do it. Thing is I find them fucking disgusting and along with that my quality is automatically lower than the rest because I don't care for the work. Should I just suck it up or is there hope to draw non-futa porn?

>>2758527
Just draw normal porn. No one cares if you don't draw futa or traps if you don't like it. Just don't shove it in people's faces and call their fetishes shit and you'll be fine. Stop thinking that you won't be able to get anywhere with porn art because you can't draw chicks with dicks/men with tits.

If you want to do your own thing, do your own thing. No one is preventing you from doing this and no one is forcing you to draw anything you don't like except yourself.

>>2759306
true thx, naw I would never call their fetishes shit. Tbh the only ones I'd caqll shit are scat and gore. The things is if I don't like them or find them flat out unappealing then the quality is automatically lower, since I don't care about it. But yh you are right, I shouldn't be drawing shit I'm not interested in anyway.

>>2756260
>>2756263
>>2756343
Sounds like you have some anxiety issues. I'm no doctor, but realize it's an irrational fear
In the rare event your client is unhappy with what you've drawn and asks you to correct some of it, so what? It's happened before and it's nothing to be afraid about. Besides I doubt they would be unhappy with how your style of drawing, I mean they've seen some of your work before asking for a commission right? So just relax dude

>>2759721
It was a really intense fear

Now after >>2756279 said that I simply scrambled together a quick commission sheet in a couple minutes to avoid overthinking everything and I simply posted it. I got some commissions already and I feel much more comfortable now.

What is the rule of thumb when it comes to posting your commissioned stuff to your blog?

>>2759733
>What is the rule of thumb when it comes to posting your commissioned stuff to your blog?
Complicated legal ground depending on the agreement with the commissioner. Consult google for a few hours. Here's an overview anyway, don't trust any of it.

You can make it where you own all rights to an image and then charge them to relinquish use rights, which means you can post whatever you want unless they explicitly pay you not to do so. This is the ideal situation, where they are paying you for a service that you can do what you want with. It gets complicated with personal intellectual property, where you share ownership but retain full use rights and don't have to give them one red cent off of any profits made.

https://thepracticalartworld.com/2011/11/21/how-to-build-a-contract-for-commissioned-artworks/
This is a simple contract outline, doesn't really go into the minutiae of OC porn though.

The rule of thumb is make sure shit is legally binding so some asshole can't change his mind and make you take shit down. Always ask if you can use it for promotional purposes, most people will say yes. You're under no obligation to actually post any commissioned work.

>>2759745
Thanks

I guess it doesn't hurt to ask the commissioner if I can post it for promotional purposes. If they say no it's okay

>>2759748
If you end up doing more commissions, it can hurt your visibility when you aren't posting as much work because commissioners say no and hide it away. There's also work that turns out really good that can draw in more commissions and you want to make sure you have the right to post it.

It's nice to ask, it's nicer to get paid for your projected loss if they say no and have it all upfront in a contract. I'm pushing this because I had a friend get burned by it a few years ago. He does some really niche work and commissions started taking up all of his art time and couldn't post them because surprisingly not everyone with an OC wants to be associated with certain things they are into.

>>2744131
>Whats the safest way to get paid for porn?
This is basically my problem.

I was decent enough at it and became mildly prominent as a regular porn artist for a certain fandom/series to the point that I actually started getting people asking me if I do commissions.

Problem was, my Paypal account is jointly attached to my family and having my dad's name on a hentai piece is the last thing I'd want to come out of it.

>>2758527
Drawing normal porn is fine. Hell I drew solo female nude pinups of characters >>2759812
and people still ate it up, just as long as your work actually catches people's eye.

>>2759812
>>2744131

Personally I use my personal Paypal account.
As a safe measure , as soon as I have 200 euros I send the money to my bank.

Basically earn 200-400$ a month from a specific hentai niche. That's about 8-15 drawings a month depending on how many commissions I get.

Yeah it's not much but I take it as pocket money and buy myself some games , etc. Managed to buy a cintiq 13HD after 2 months of work. So worth it ;)

GL to you all

>>2759745
It's not complicated at all you fucking nerd, why you gotta confuse the guy?

Works for hire, nigga. Everything you draw as a commission belongs to you unless you give away rights via contract. And fucking nobody wants to sign a contract for a porn drawing.

Even private commissions are just based on good faith.

Making a contract for porn commissions is a good way to not het porn commissions.

>>2759748
No, you stupid shit, read the post above. You own it, you don't ask for a fucking permission.

If he wans a private permission, you charge that nigga at least 3 times more, preferably higher.

Don't be a pussy or people will walk all over you.

Own that shit.

>>2759933
*private commission

>>2759933
Good luck actually making any money from people who want to use your art for professional purposes.

As if I'm going to pay more money to a d/ic/k when there's someone just around the corner just around the corner and in fear of starving if he doesn't get his paycheck.

>>2759983
>h-haha, if you don't let me t-take advantage of you, I'll j-just find someone who will
lol what do I give a shit?

>letting broke-ass faggots dilute your product with their shitty """professional""" projects, thus lowering its value in the first place, let alone without compensation
not even once

>>2759983
>professional purposes

>>2759847
grats on the cintiq, how are you liking it? I personally really love mine.
Also is your niche uber obscure? or is it something that's a bit more popular than shit like giantess vore or something?