/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>2658584
You dont need your own topic
>>2656924

>>2658586
>>2658585
>>2658584
Looks pretty good, I always like seeing pen and ink work on /ic/. How about next time you put your big dumb signature of page and not have it distract the viewer from the actual image.

>>2658584
>>2658585

Just because they are small sketches, it is no excuse not to pay attention to your hatching, which unfortunately ruins them. Especially the guy on the cliff. If you had controlled yourself and kept the background white, it would have looked so much better.

A mistake people often make is that 'loosely drawn' is the same as 'letting go of control', making quick, random markings here and there to add detail or shadows without thinking of volume and line shape / line weight. But they are not the same. The goal is to be quick, but never lose control of your strokes.


Things you should look out for:

- Stay in control of your stroke along its entire length. Many of your strokes have little ' hooks' at the beginning where you lost control. They look clumsy and break the flow.
- Control the pressure you exert. Some of your hatching lines do not fade nicely, but have an even thickness because of even pressure along the entire stroke. This doesn't look good.
- Keep a loose wrist, or exercise drawing curves. You should be able to draw a group of parallel, curved lines with even spacing and pressure. I can see many lines that just do not match and therefore break the volume / shape you try to create.
- Try to avoid cross-hatching if it is not supporting the style of your drawing or the material you try to render. In some places on the girl and the guy on the cliff you crosshatch. It breaks the volume and
- Try to be consistent with why you hatch. Do you add hatching to suggest volume or shadow or both? When I look at the girl, most of the hatching is curved, to suggest the volume of her thighs, shoulder, calves. But her right fore-arm is hatched with straight lines to suggest shade. It doesn't fit so well. If a little bit of a curve had been added, to suggest the roundness of the arm, it would have fit better.

>>2658749
You post like a hypocrite. A text wall of Dunning-Kuger shit

>>2658584
so you've been drawing for three day?

>>2658759
What
That's genuinely good advice

>>2658774
What? That's genuinely parroted shit.

>>2658749
thanks

upboted, subscribed, screencapped

>>2658759
>>2658780
Looks like someone was lookin for praise rather than actual critque. Please stop.

>>2658791
Praise these nuts, weeb

>>2658791
>This
OP ic isn't your blog. No one wanted your last thread either

>>2658584
Is this a new meme now?

>>2658749
this is great thank you, i tried to incorporate everything you said, hows it look with this one

great meme now

>>2658584
is thread all just one person

>>2659814
Not the same anon that posted originally, but I can see a difference. The image looks much cleaner and reads easier as well. The sword curves a bit wonky, but the forms seem much clearer and the control of your hatching makes the contours of them also more readily apparent.

I'm not certain I have knowledge beyond this so I won't throw in my 2 cents and give you poor advice, all I will say is stay mindful light sources and shadow strength while hatching.

>>2659814

Looks much better. Just try to find the balance between controlled strokes and looseness. It will be easier the more you draw.

A final tip. You draw pretty strong outlines around everything, and that's really not necessary. It makes your drawings more forced and flat. In areas that would be bright, or have the overall shape already suggested by interior details / hatching, it is no problem to leave them open. It will create a more dynamic and suggestive whole.

>>2658584
Are you going to make a new thread for every "style" you do?

its bad

>>2658584
>>2658585
The hatching in these two don't follow the forms all that well so you end up flattening your figures, which is a shame, really.

>>2659814
This one is a huge improvement from the other two. The hatching is much cleaner, clearer, and follows the form giving it a nice shape as opposed to being detrimental to the piece.

>>2659815
glad i could help

>>2659820
nope

>>2659834
thanks gotta work on that next time with the sword

>>2660209
i see, im gonna try to thin out my lines more on the next ones

>>2660293
nope, just if the thread gets archived before i post back

>>2661087
thanks trying out the tips and advice based on the great comments i got

You aren't the guy who was posting the shitty Stephen Universe crap are you? This stuff is much better, but if you are, I hate you and you should stop posting immediately.

why are niggers the most obnoxious people on /ic/?

>>2658590
People keep saying this whenever someone makes their own thread.

if you're going to make more than 3 posts and want feedback on multiple pieces of art or an entire portfolio then that's a perfectly fine reason to make your own thread. Do you honestly want 20 image posts from the same person in the draw thread? That's way more obnoxious.
If it was an entire thread for 1 or 2 images then sure, telling them to post in the draw thread makes sense. Otherwise no.

>>2661316
yep thats me

>>2661317
cause we know how to dance

>>2661366
agreed, but you know youre just gonna be accused of being me samefagging so just a heads up

>>2661317
>why are niggers the most obnoxious people
fixed


also work o that gesture and faces, other than that it looks decent

>>2662501
thanks working on that also

>>2658749
Whats wrong with cross hatching? The more dense the hatching is, the darker the area is.

I think hatching is more about instinct than a method.

>>2665155

There is nothing wrong with crosshatching. I actually wrote

> Try to avoid cross-hatching if it is not supporting the style of your drawing or the material you try to render.

So, when looking at the first 3 images,
- OP used mostly regular hatching, and cross-hatching in a few spots only.
- Those areas that have cross-hatching seem randomly chosen. Looking at the huntress body, where the crosshatching doesn't support the shape/volume of her body, and where there are actually darker areas without cross-hatching.

There is definitely a method to cross-hatching. Just look at other works by Frank Cho, or Frazetta, or Paolo Serpieri (which looks like a major inspiration for Cho), or Bernie Wrightson or Virgil Finlay. They all have their own style, but they all use hatching and cross-hatching conciously, adding volume and making the drawing more dynamic. When they were making an area darker, I'm sure they were considering direction, weight and curve of the lines they were adding.

Frazetta biting shitmaster. Die in a fucking grease fire, faggot.

>>2665155
no no i saw waht he meant, i needed to make the hatching match the forms more

>>2665220
total agreement

>>2665742
Im already dead :)

I feel like you think hatching is just make straight lines at random. It doesn't look like you understand form at all and just making straight lines where you 'think' they should be.

>>2666262
youre not wrong at all, thats why i choose this one for the next practice waht ya think

>>2658584

I like where you're going with these but that arrow through your name looks pretty retarded desu, as if you have some kind of psychiatric disorder and have a compulsion to cross out your own name or something.

>>2668940
i can see that. do you have any recommendations on it?

>>2670423
Fuck that guy, anon.
Line through signature represent

I like these a lot

>>2670429

Except that looks okay, and his doesn't.

>>2670423
This is a retarded question but where are you finding all the Frazetta sketches? Just on google?

>>2670429
naw hes right, any recommendations on how i can improve my sig

>>2671560
ty

>>2671569
yea

>>2671571
google and i have like 8 frazetta books

>>2673198
Mongoloids would not be nude like in the middle east. Her tits wouldn't be perky if they are endlessly nude, the mongoloid would not have shaved.

>>2673759
kek tell Frazetta that

>>2673759
How's that autism treating you?

>>2674733
These comments never get old.

>>2673759
?what? i think its fantasy man

>>2674720
yea thats the pic i used to study

>>2674733
?

>>2674736
welcome my friend

You should grab a small brush to do these, and either a smaller dip nib or work larger. You're definitely doing a lot better than you were at the start of the thread, but your lines are still really thick and lacking in any sort of subtlety, everything is just pure dark black. You don't have the variation in tone or the subtle washes that Frazetta has in the shadows, like in >>2674720 so by comparison any plane changes end up looking a lot more sudden in yours.

>>2675005
that makes sense, do you think maybe markers would be a good alternative, i unfortunately dont know if i have the money for washes?

>>2674893
>>2677444
>>2664901
>>2663524

If you don't mind, could you post those originals? Never seen them before.

>>2658749
don't listen to OP We are listening I posted this in beginner thread before can you help me instead?

>>2677805

Looks pretty good, though, without source, I can't really say if it is a precise likeness or not, but it looks like.

- The ear looks unrealistic. It lacks definition, i.e. the shape and details are unclear. It would not be a problem in a rougher sketch, but you paid attention to other details, so it feels at odds in this case.
- Compared to the head, the collar looks poorly done. Like a rush job. It lacks refinement and looks flat. You've tried to hide/avoid strong outlines in the head but they are strongly present in the collar, making it more of a cartoon drawing than a realistic sketch, which clashes with the rest of the drawing. Try to avoid that by suggesting volume with shapes instead of lines (you added a darker background which you could have used to suggest the outline of the collar).
- The left side of the neck (from our point of view) does not have a nice volume. It does not suggest a round neck with a collar curved around it. The strong diagonal line of the collar is not helping.
- I have the feeling there is more contrast in this drawing than in the source picture. Unless you are drawing someone in direct sunlight, there is no need to use such strong shadows. Try to use contrast as a tool, to draw the attention of the viewer to the important parts, like the eyes, or in case of a full figure drawing, the shape and volume of the human form (or part thereof).
- Additionally, if every part of the drawing has the same amount of contrast, every material will start to look the same. Be it stone, human skin or linnen. Besides texture, different materials absorb and reflect light differently. Try to incorporate that in your drawing, to make it visually richer.

>>2658759

Wrap it up, folks, critique isn't allowed here or you're just another Dunning-Kruger shitter.

Why don't you address his critiques and how they're wrong if you're so wise in the ways of art?

>>2678063
Gold. Thanks anon. especially the part about contrast and materials. I DID have trouble with the collar and the ear.

>>2676133
Not the same anon - I do a lot of pen and prismacolor alcohol marker work though. I'm not great but pic related shows what cream, puce, peach, and two grey markers (plus black ofc) can do

>>2678200
Also maroon. Also I regret posting that so here is a different one that is worse in some ways and better in others

>>2676133
What are you working with? A bottle of ink is way cheaper in the long run than using markers or buying pens.

>>2677466
i can soon
>>2677805
dont listen to me? what i say?

>>2678063
agreed

>>2678068
who said that, i welcome all critique

>>2678081
:)

>>2678200
looks solid

>>2678204
i think they both look pretty solid

>>2678618
im using refillable copic pens i got years ago

commission series im working on

>>2683234
>>2684561
how much are you getting paid per character?

>>2684565
im doing these for a friend i owed a favor so like 25 i think

>>2684561
What were you thinking when you made this composition?

>>2687600
dont know, all these are blank separate layers so i can combine them into one image later for a type of size chart of sorts. why do you ask?

Your drawings are pretty cool, OP. You really need to work on your fundamentals badly, though. I'm not going to get into why because, again, fundamentally bad. A lot of these can be fixed with a little more time and effort on your part though, you got something special going on here and don't you ever stop making these.

>>2689830
thanks and i willl

this one right here
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is my 100th one now... been doing these 100 days in a row

>>2691535
Mate you really need to work on your hatching. Seriously, spending 3 hours actually learning how to do it properly would make your stuff look 50% better

>>2691599
thats me using a brush for the first time as some one recommended. are there any others that you feel the crosshatching is not up to snuff on?

>>2689800
>>2690686
I love your hair/feathers but I hate your metal

>>2692682
thanks what you recommend for the metal?

>>2658584
I like your style, OP!

>>2693985
not my normal style just doing some studies for practice

man ive done over 100 drawings everyday... im glad the other thread was ending, this one has been alot less toxic. thanks for all the advice you guys have been giving me

I'm just a retard who hasn't even started drawing so I don't know shit but I love your work damn much. Yeah, so, maybe today I'll start.

>>2696811
forward man, always forward. :)

They're traced, and your cross-hatching technique is lazy...Try drawing from your imagination, as that's what Frazetta did.

Can you share the original inks of frazetta? Good stuff you do man.

I find it hilarious how your work that isn't copied directly from Frazetta has you falling back into your numerous shitty habits and generally all looks like shit.

good draw me too i draw

>>2697838
thats why its called a master study... also they arent traced, ill wait for you to overlay them and see you're an idiot for accusing someone of tracing without double checking first.

<did this one just for you lol

>>2697866
some i can and may later, many of these are from the several Frazetta books I have and my scanner is not big enough for some of them

>>2698126
fair enough, could you point out a few examples. Im always looking to get better and it really helps

>>2698131
always forward, forward always

>>2701028
how long have you actually been drawing though

don't usually count kids drawings as part of the journey

>>2701041
i dont know, 15-20 years i guess. why?

>>2658585
wow, this guy was ahead of his time

>>2701041
Why wouldn't you though? That time spent drawing instead of watching tv eventually builds up

>>2698772
>some i can and may later, many of these are from the several Frazetta books I have and my scanner is not big enough for some of them

thanks anyway familia

>>2702300
agreed

>>2702333
yea i guess i never thought of it that way

>>2702501
no worries, sorrry senpai

>>2658584
can a mod clean this shit up? What if everybody started their own fucking blog on the board.

>>2703991
lmao the left one is literally lucio

>>2658584
have you considered checking out /abeg/ they might be able to help you

>>2706607
dude, you dont like it, leave, im asking for help and using every bit of it.

>>2706641
yep, they should have been paying me royalties lol

>>2706645
sorry, dont know what that is

Nice work OP... also do you have any explicitly lewd sexual stuff?

>>2708762
not really, why do you ask?

>>2709678
>>2710620
You really need to rethink those breasts on catwoman and black canary(?).

I get what you're going for, but you pushed it too far, especially on catwoman. It gives the impression their ribcages are deformed.

Also, is this digital or trad?

>>2710650
rethink how, can you give an example? i took these from references of women wearing corsets.
all trad, enhanced blacks in digital.

>>2658584
really love this style of art, interested in being friendos?

Smutbrush.tumblr
Nibdipper@instagram

Id love to share resources, talk about inking and pencilling, shoot the shit etc if youre interested

>>2714555
surew ill message ya soon

>>2719574
Pure brilliance, kek

>>2719581
thanks lol

>>2711648
i think thats the problem

a corset change the shape boobs take

using corset references on non corset wearing design's is to be avoid APART if it's a girl with huge/big/thic proportions

>>2719574
>harambe
Great. So funny.

>>2720884
hmm thats makes sense... thanks ill keep that in mind for next time
>>2720909
lol glade you enjoyed

>>2706604
>has telepathy
>uses a gun

>>2721342
I mean, gambit uses a staff, whats your point?

>>2721342
i know right lol

>>2721370
this is true

does anyone know how to post a Large image online that is 13626 x 1281 to a bloggspot or someplace i can upload and link to it?

>>2722292
here is a link to the full image

http://i.imgur.com/htOIzLK.jpg

>>2674893
>Study
I feel like you're using the wrong word here

>>2723906

Copies are studies even if all studies aren't copies.

>>2721342
>telepathically guides bullets so she never misses a shot

use your fuckin head anon

Where can I find high-def scans/images of Frazetta's work?

>>2723906
waht do you mean?

>>2723915
agreed

>>2723927
bingo

>>2723998
google and books

>>2723927

Still, why even bother with the gun, then? Why not just fire the bullets telepathically?

>>2696803
i dig the dramatic shadow here. perhaps exaggerate it a bit more? iunno. looks good tho

>>2726307
ok

>>2726310
thanks

>>2658584
i think you suck at drawing females while you´re decent with drawing muscles

>>2727888
any tips?

>>2728804
yeah focus on softer curves, showing that people arent just pure muscle they have fat too and use less lineart because three stripes like that almost looks hairy. so you dont need to go full manga you just need to clean up and go over the body shapes in more stereotypical fashion.

also try adding more detail into environment, not just short distance objects but scenery as well, it makes the picture feel less flat IMO

>>2728824
that makes sense, thank you. i didnt see your message before i finished this one. I will try this for the next one. again thank you

>>2729730
are you doing these traditionally or digital?

>>2698131
Good draw me three draw

>>2728824
>yeah focus on softer curves

I disagree. Depends what you want to do but, straights are usually more interesting than curves. The figure is full of curves, you have to fight for every straight you want to get.

>>2729741
traditionally

>>2730035
lol

>>2730084
hmmm that makes sense

>>2730559
Oh awesome. What kind of pen is it? I can't tell if it's a brush pen

>>2730559
Do you have a tumblr or something?
Please say yes.

>>2730084

I'd say it is both.
It is the contrast/interplay between straight lines and curves that create interest.

If you decide to use only curves or straight lines, that would be a more stylistic choice, in which case you should look for a different way to add interest, for example line weight.

>>2730564
i use several pens, not just one. several different copic refillable pens

>>2730565
um sure
mikedjc.tumblr.com
mikejc.com

>>2731042
i think this is true, im gonna try to mix the two into something new, this is my first try on it

Do you have anxiety problems?
It feels like you're rushing the inking process and that's something that can go very wrong if you chose to use crosshatching.

>>2732638 depends...how do you define "anxiety problems" and what does that have to do with the artwork

>>2733598
Even at a small amount anxiety can hold you back in art, since it'll make you want to finish something faster instead of taking your time to make it right.
I'm guessing it because of your inking, it looks like it starts well and then is rushed at some point.

>>2733638
that might be the case, let me know if you keep seeing it in other ones ill try and work on that

>>2732626

RETURN THE SLAAAB

>>2735141
lol

welcome to america folks

>>2740910
I like your monsters, OP.
Have you ever read throught this https://abookofcreatures.com
I think it can inspire some of these monster designs even if the blogger art isn't really that amazing.

>>2740931
never heard of it? thanks for the link ill look into it

>>2658584

Hats off to you OP for being productive. You're gonna make it if you keep this up.

What ink do you use?

>>2743940
thank you

>>2744557
india and sharpie

>>2744668

Have you played shadow of the beast? Kinda looks like one of the bosses a bit

>>2658584
I've seen your works before, you're stagnating

>>2744706
ive never even heard of it

>>2744713
how so

>>2658585
I love your style

>>2745771
thank you

There is one big point to be made - crosshatching. What makes crosshatching so awesome is that it can both imply shadow AND reinforce the form.
To quote Michael Hampton - Never, ever use line to go against the volume created by your form.

>>2746738
any suggestions?

I don't get this meme.
Is it supposed to be a guy's strawmen/personal grudge against Frank Frazetta or someone trying to replicate Frazetta? I don't know how many times I've seen threads start with the amazon girl pic.

I can get MercWIP in a way, since there's an overabundance of "professional art" that follows the trend of mixing military warfare stuff with sci-fi akin to Gears of War on sites like DeviantArt and some corners of tumblr; but I have no idea about this meme.

>>2748293
ummm dude, those arent multiple treads... thats this thread, i just post everyday. i have no idea what meme you are talking about

>>2748293
This thread is over 2 months old

>>2658600
not OP but ribbed for your pleasure.

>>2750688
and no sign of slowing down friend
>>2751190
cool i guess lol

>>2751833
let's keep this thing going.

>>2752220
sure thanks i guess, but im just using this to get help and advice for my stuff, if you plan to post please only post your own work or critique on my works. thanks man :)

>>2752880
I noticed your inking got a lot better. Are you using nib or technical pens?
Now you just need to pay a bit more attention to anatomy.
Keep it up!

>>2752880
worse and worse

How is this thread still going

>>2753076
Because this isn't /b/, /v/ or /pol/ so the thread won't be pruned when it's maintained daily.

>>2752880
that is my own work

>>2753079
Well duh I know newfag, but it's still old , even by ic standards.

>>2753862
Read again, retard.

>>2701028
>>2702265
>>2703991
>>2705299
>>2706604
what does the inside of your own asshole look like

>>2752910
thank you and im using a variety of mechanical pens
>>2752926
Make America Great Again

>>2753076
cause im still drawing

>>2753079
Make America Great Again

>>2753316
cool :)

>>2753862
Bingo

>>2753897
Make

>>2753974
Like America

>>2753999
Lol did you just watch the last proko vid too?

>>2754000
no? who is that?

>>2755157
>who is that?

>>2757338
nope never heard of him before this post. i googled him afterwards, pretty good stuff

>>2658584
You should work on your blacks. It seems like you're not hatching according to the forms underneath so those elements lose their volume.

>>2760739
got it, ill work on it more. thank you

OP, can you post your drawing tools? Also, don't you add color to some of your drawings?

I am not OP. Ballpoint pen on newsprint.

>>2767266
i just use a sharpie pen and refillable copic pens

my tablet is broken so i dont add color anymore

>>2767941
looks good keep going

Something im working on... It'll be stupid, dont worry

Comics Jenny: All the hero you'll ever need.

meet Comics Jenny
her power is any comic she touches she gains the powers and abilities of any one character in the comic, and can only use each comic once. Can be good, can be bad, touch a Superman comic... might get Kryptonian powers, might get reporter powers from Lois Lane. :/ always a gamble.

how this works for me is everyday i go the the random power generator and create a persona based on the role. No re-rolls unless its one that has been done already... lets see what happens.

todays
http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Gun_Kata

>>2769371
Her left boot looks odd. Good boob physics doe.

>>2769572
oops i see what ya mean thanks man


todays
http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Insomnia_Inducement

todays

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Animal_Limbs

damn, this is like a cautionary tale of mediocrity

>>2771723
lmao