/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Mo frazetta

mo' frazetta

>>2088905
>I either over render or scribble, looking for a good middle to be at the same time expressive, presentable and quick.
It's called skill and experience. There are no tricks for this. Keep working.

>>2088935
Agreed, look at your OP pic... Frazetta was "scribbling" himself for that one. Or are you gonna tell me all those lines were carefully thought out and planned?

Keep at it anon.

>>2088937
I wouldn't really call that scribbling. >>2088906
is more scribbling, and isn't that appealing to me. At least in my opinion, there is some more care given to the picture. The figure is drawn fairly well, all the shapes are great, and very appealing. The only scribble is really for the hair. I think really the key is to know what you can get away with using scribbles in a sketch. Use care with your drawings, really. Know what you can scribble and leave messy. Draw well what needs to be drawn well.

>>2088905
>tfw this is what Frazetta would have drawn for the "you have 30 minutes to draw a horse from imagination" thread

Makes me want to quit art and cry in a corner.

>>2088971
Frazetta studied and drew hundreds of horses, if you did the same amount you would draw that horse without reference too.

>>2088971
>30 minutes

try 10 minutes

>>2089101
Try like 30 seconds max, dude was a god. I'd suck his d

Why is Frazetta so good?
Did he just have a very expansive visual library?
And a good knowledge of how to put pencil to paper?

>>2088978

Not entirely true. Did you see the rabbit he drew without ever drawing one before or looking up pictures of one? That was one snow white-tier rabbit with all the dynamism you could squeeze into one.

>>2089218
>30 seconds
Try 30 plank times.

>>2089599
link?

>>2088971
>Nice try, but thats not a horse, 5/10 almost got me
>-Summer

>>2088909
that panther is tripping balls

OP, one thing I like to do when I want sketchbook inspiration, like the "middle ground" you're thinking of, I go on Youtube and just punch in "sketchbook".

There's a wealth of sketchbook vids where a lot of artists show off their sketches and work and whatnot.

>>2088971

why? start drawing horses for some time and you'll get there faggot

>>2089700
Fucking asians, how do they work.

I think this guy was from /ic/, not sure though

how the fuck do i git gud GRRRRR BRAHS

>>2089735

Who knows

Not pencil but theres some really cool techniques in this

>>2089599
Maybe he has a photographic memory but won't tell anybody. Why couldn't I have been blessed with an automated mental reference archive? Life is suffering.

>>2089753

That's actually not a bad way of teaching beginners the fundamentals.

>>2089772
What are you, new? That's the ONLY way.

>>2089599
Frazetta was a known embellisher of his own talent.
He would lie about how he could do this or that.

Is scribbling a legitimate way to learn to draw forms and gestures? Will I learn permanent bad habits if I go down that road?

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>>2089764
oh shit, that's really cool how individual objects start popping up the longer you stare it

Any good resources on pencil rendering?

Or at least some good pencilers/draftsmen to study?

>>2089712
wow weird cool

>>2089923
Define scribbling

>>2089942
Something like this, I suppose. Leeting your pencil wander a bit to "find" to direction of the movement, or whatnot.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2005/10133-scribble.jpg

>>2089964
I could see the uses of scribbling for people starting out, but more so for the case when you can't evaluate a mark until it's already placed on the page. Drawing lightly accomplishes that same goal, but better.

Scribbling on it's own shouldn't teach you anything about gesture and form. The connotations I associate with scribbling is messy and random, instead of careful and deliberate. Even a loose, quick drawing shouldn't be messy or random when drawn by a master.

That said, quick exploratory lines and marks can be helpful to capturing a gesture. As long as we aren't talking about haphazard, purposeless lines.

>>2089934

Yea you're right, I couldn't put it into words why it was so interesting to stare at but thats what it is.

Everything melds together so well

>>2089753
Images like these are so demotivating. And I'm not usually the type to get demotivated by others' artistic pursuits at all. But there's just something so spirit crushing about kids who already are or are going to be so much better than you at something almost entirely due to their circumstances (school rigor, upbringing, starting age, etc). Such melancholy in not being able to go back in time to be more like this.

Also, awesome shit in this thread.

>>2089932
I believe it. I watched his documentary and he seemed like the kind of cocky guy that just bathes himself in his own confidence. The type that embellishes but also believes the exaggeration at the same time. But the dude was freakishly good so maybe it's warranted.

>>2089717
Cool, someone actually posted my shit in one of these threads.

This sketch was ballpoint pen only though, unfortunately.

>>2090359

I had a feeling it might be, but I really liked the confidence and movement in your lines. You got a link to some more of your work?

>>2090347
these kids are in north korea.
exercising creativity or free expression is likely to get them lined against a wall. they have become competent at rendering, but that is all they will ever be; rendering machines for state propaganda.
you live in (ostensibly) a first or second world country with relatively free speech and internet access and food. there is literally nothing they are doing that you can't be doing right now provided you have the motivation.

>>2089935
Analyze old master drawings. Robert Beverly Hale's book on master drawings is a good place to start.

Op here thx for the pix here's more from me

Jean leon gerome

mo gerome

>>2090397
Thanks, but I don't have the energy to maintain any type of online presence.

I used to post like every day in the sketchbook threads a few years ago.

Fucking awesome thread guys

moar Frazetta pls

Is charcoal fine too?

No? I'm gonna post anyway

>>2091761
damn, how can you not fuck up with so much dark values?

>>2089758
Those trees are sexing. Hot.

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>>2091763
inb4 'eyes bug out 3d effect'

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>>2093200
Just a quick smattering of files from my folder of drawings I like.

>>2093201
Thanks for dumping. I feel like I'm climaxing just looking at some of these.

Goddamn, all this mark making is just spectacular.

>>2093201
There's a ton more names too, but I'm getting bored of posting, and my files for hte other names aren't well organized. But check out stuff like Jeff Jones, Katsuya Terada, Claire Wendling, William Smith, Clement Sauve, Brangwyn, Daniel Chavez, Wes Burt, Marko Djurdjevic, Fechin, Jana Schirmer, Karl Kopinski, Moebius, Leyendecker, Mucha, Steve Huston, Rockwell, Sergio Toppi, and Jason Hong as a start.

>>2093204
Yeah no problem. If you can't figure out the names on some of the files just ask and hopefully I'll be able to identify it.

>>2089748
So fucking good. Who's the artist?

>>2093922

Erik Gist

>>2088905
Nice thread

>>2093983
Oh oh wes senpai
Someday i will reach that level

Bumping one of the only interesting threads on the board right now

Karl Kopinski

>>2098052
Jai Kamat

>>2098054
Jim Murray

>>2098055
Bob Kuhn

>>2098058
DanielC

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Hollis Dunlap

>>2098061
Mark tennant

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Lukias

>>2098065

Why no gorrem?

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>>2098055
I like this, but how does he close his mouth with those long fangs?

>>2098184
Either they go on the outside of the mouth like a smilodon, or, more likely given how it is drawn, they are like a snake's fangs which I believe can sort of fold back when the mouth is closed.

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>>2088905
Damn this Frazetta guy sure have mastered the chicken scratch.

i dont think its pencil...but...

>>2098237
9/10 pretty mad

>>2098253
Really dude? The troll wasn't even being subtle about it, how can that possibly anger you? It's so goddamn obvious.

>>2098261
>i am the troll teehee

>>2093204
>mark making is just spectacular.

you sound like a complete faggot

>>2098261
you can't ever know anymore.

>>2098314
He's right though that the markmaking is incredible in many of these images. How is that a faggot thing to say? It's not like he made up some term or is trying to sound pretentious. It's a fact.

>>2089736
When I can get to a computer I gotta reverse image this and see who sketched it (in the off chance someone from /ic/ didn't sketch it. This looks beautiful

>>2089932
Sorry, i forgot about this thread. (if youll even see this.)

He would use photos of himself/his wife quite often, and you can find these online pretty easily.
Not to discredit him, he was very skilled, but he couldn't make everything up perfectly.

muddycolors blog()spot /2014/04/cheating.html

>>2098797
I heard he used his wife for the horse refference Anon. Is that true?

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>>2098957
that's animation, of course it's gonna be expressive

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>>2098957
I love how she's bald in one frame.

>>2098869
I dont have any specific pieces in mind that he referenced, i think if you google it you might find someone talking about it.

Ill often have my girlfriend pose for me while im working, but usually just quick poses i dont need to photograph. I wouldnt be surprised.

thats one big vagina

>>2098797
Fair enough.

I see a lot of people talk shit about Frazetta, like for example how they think he claimed that he learned anatomy in one day which he never did, so that's why I wanted some proof for once.

>>2099556
He actually talks about that in this interview:

http://classic.tcj.com/interviews/frank-frazetta-interview/

Its an interesting read as well. But yeah, he's an embellisher, but i think he's got that right, and hes was still very skilled/talented (as shitty as the word talented is.)

>>2098965
>klimt
Mah boy, drawings were his best sadly he only did Jew grills with long noses

Why is art so fucking hard? It's literally more difficult than math. I feel like I'm getting nowhere, no matter how hard I try. And looking at these amazing sketches magnifies that feeling.

>>2100840
Who said art was easy?

>>2089704
Who is this?

>>2101015
http://ataboh.tumblr.com/

>>2101027
wow, this guy is insane.

>>2098565
John Costello

fukkin bump

I won't let this thread die

Why stop the Frazetta?

>>2107921
Because Jeff Jones>Frazetta

>>2107932

jenny saville

>>2088971

>not seeing things like that and wanting to work harder from it

>>2090347

You probably have another 60-80 years to git gud. It'll be okay, anon. You could probably learn to render like that in 2 weeks if you had someone to guide you and worked really hard at it.

>>2090589

It wouldn't be surprising if that photo was staged too, knowing North Korea's tendencies with visitors. It wouldn't be impossible, though.

You can't be a master artist without a last name that sounds fancy.

>>2109726
>mfw my last name is mexican and has too many syllables to be fancy and slick