/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

My question is relating to measuring and construction in general. Are there more youtube videos like the one that gets passed around here all the time. Similar in helpfulness and eye opening?

Are there any other useful tools or resources that can help me to measure more accurately. Or am I stuck as a caveman artist using a straight edge?

>>1708693
I forgot to mention. I'm sure I'm not alone. But I have difficulty measuring vertical distances. So any tips for that?

>>1708694
fuck I meant horizontal* distances

[-------------] < i would have trouble measuring stuff like this in photos and irl.

>>1708693
>>1708694
>>1708695
I had similar issues and it got me frustrated as shit but it goes back to your very basics when building a skill set. You gotta develop better visual acuity, if you can draw what's in front of your eyes accurately you can draw what's in your mind's eye accurately. Not sure if you do or not but start a life drawing regimen, take the time to really observe your subjects and take note of the distances and correlations of everything and eventually with time you can better judge distances and angles.

tl;dr draw from life

Guys, I can draw well digitally (not polished shit), but when I try to draw on paper it's like I don't know how to draw, the art totally sucks, why this keep happening?
I've been drawing for like 4 years, before that I never "did" something on paper because I've been always using my tablet.
How can I get off that cicle and transfer my knowledge to paper?
Thanks.

>>1708769
Just stop drawing digitally for a few days (or until you get comfortable) and start drawing traditionally. You're not losing your skills or anything, you're just not used to the eye/hand coordination or whatever.

Also, might just be me personally but you could be pretty picky with your paper. I found myself hating to draw on smoother paper than with rough. For some reason my brain likes to turn off if I'm not drawing on a paper texture I like.

i don't honest to god understand the point of studying loomis, in his book "Figure Drawing for all its Worth" i see him talk about proportions and all that jazz, but then he talks about the model meant to simplify the figure, which i know there is no absolute method behind simplifying the human body.
It seems what he teaches is either basic stuff like proportions or stuff that can be learned from observational drawings, like muscles and bones. So what exactly is so good about loomis that i am missing?

>>1708794
>7 / 0 / 1 [U
tl;dr whats so good about loomis?

>>1708801
he's very solid. if you follow loomis religiously you'll be able to draw proportionate figures in perspective, in scenes. it might not be the most intuitive way to learn but it's everything you need to know. and if you read the actual words your figures won't even be stiff, and you'll follow his recommendation to draw from life and look at other sources of info. and you'll know how to get a job in the 50s illustration industry.

is gesture meant to be purely a form of excersize, or do people implement it into their routine when drawing from imagination or observation

>>1708812
Unless you're already pretty damn skilled, you should be starting off with a gesture first before starting to draw the figure.

>>1708814
so instead of drawing the actual figure just do a bunch of gestures?

>>1708815
Gesture is most essential, and it will be the very first step of a finished figure drawing. Get gesture down, then comes anatomy and the rendering of forms. The gesture captures the basic movement of the figure, how it works compositionally and how dynamic it is. The body is built from this basic wire frame.

>>1708834
how will i know when i have got this down?

>>1708700
aye that doesn't sound so bad. I do draw from life, but I should quadrupple my efforts.

I did find some neater little tricks in my mind to measure distance and angles. But RL could be a different story. uhg. We'll we'll see how it goes. Thanks anon.

>>1708689
How do I draw things tilted in space? Do I just use a vanishing trace?

>>1708836
You won't, unless you know enough anatomy to apply gesture to the figure. That anon is wrong. You need to study anatomy and have a very solid understanding of that before you can utilize gesture properly. What you should really do though, if you want to learn efficiently, is practice both anatomy and gesture at the same time.

>>1708843
i learn gesture by "feeling" the figure, but how would i go about studying anatomy, by just drawing pics of muscles and bones n shit?

>>1708847
you feel the small stuff too.

>>1708855
whats the small stuff?

>really want to get better at drawing people, especially faces and different kinds of expressions
>tfw have deep rooted social anxiety that I have developed a coping mechanism for by avoiding eye contact with anybody for more than 2 seconds
>no matter how hard I try, can't force myself to look at people's faces irl

anyone else have this problem? is it possible to overcome?

>>1708847
Learning to draw people by grinding anatomy will lead to a lot of frustration and stiff looking poses.

You should start with gesture and learning the major landmarks first. Once you can visualize the seven major masses of the body and how they relate with each other you can get more granular from there.

>>1708847
That's a good exercise. Treat the human body like any other subject to draw.

>>1709046
Get a new hobby

>>1709046
Wear sunglasses and force yourself to look at someone, do it for more and more time as you go on

What's some good books to study detailed human anatomy?
I've been reading through Loomis' figure drawing book and the section that goes in depth with anatomy was disappointingly short.
I'd like a book that goes ridiculously in depth on all the muscles and bones.

Asking again:

someone here once recommended me a good drawing book for beginners. It had over 100 pages I think, lots of text and only very few small drawings.

It was not keys to drawing or drawing on the right side of the brain.

Anyone got an idea?

random question how far should one set up his still life from his point of sitting.
my desk is fairly small. So I want to know what is a good distance and angle from wich i can arrange and work on still lifes.
Also what is a good lighting setup.I have blends so I can lit it up with a light if that woud work better.

>>1708689
Are there any good videos on edge work?

>>1709147
depends where you're struggling. Do you not know the 4 edges? Are you having difficulty rendering edges? Is it a software issue? Is it a traditional material issue?

I don't know of any particular video but Richard Shmit? Shmid's book called Alla Prima has a nice chunk about edges.

Personally I had a little difficulty with all of it. The picture on the left is what helped me understand what edges were. I remember having that picture for a good 2-3 years until it "clicked",

Ctrlpaint videos helped me correalte digital to traditional, and I also understand traditional usage much better. I was struggling in PS until I tinkered with brushes and settings, and emulated traditional painting until it made sense. Understanding how to use the brushes in your favorite program is really helpful for eliminating that beginner crude brushwork look. There are still a lot of factors, but this will be a start.

To tell you the truth I don't think edge work is a real big problem. If you know how to softly gradate with a pencil or blend with a stump, or draw in hard shadows, you subconsciously already know how to do edge work.

>>1709212
so a firm edge is half soft half hard ?

Should I focus on learning how to draw one sex first or is mixing it up the best approach?


Been figure drawing the female body for a month now and wanna work on the male body.

>>1709221
Understanding form and shape will be key to drawing everything.

You'll be closer to drawing people if you can draw a box in proper perspective. Before you think you'll get better at drawing a man or a woman first, a still life will teach you how to draw both at the same time.

>>1709233
you got the wrong dude.

>>1709225
I'd reckon doing male, logically it would be a good idea to do male to female, as the anatomy of a woman is just a lot more curvy and slightly varied.

That is my two cents.

>>1709271
random thought. I laugh at how easy it is to be a sexist misogynistic monster who objectifies women, by simply drawing 2 round teardrop shapes on a chest.

i want to draw some environments with Sai. Can someone give me tips?

In 3/4 view, my eyes always look mismatched. What guidelines do I need to use?

How in-depth do I need to go in order to understand the human body? A lot of tutorials just start naming every single muscle and bone in the body and it's just a lot to handle, I think.

>>1708847
my personal tip- in a life drawing session, bring an anatomy book. draw a picture of the model, then use the book to recognize what his muscles and bones are doing underneath his skin. then draw that in.

>>1709095
'atlas of human anatomy for the artist' by peck
sarah simblet 'anatomy for the artist' is excellent but it's the size of a coffee table

>>1709296
that's nice.


i have a series of ancient art photo reference books picked up in a library sale that would probably be really useful, but they're really friggin heavy. also seems like they'd be helpful for others to look through. so i figured i might scan them.
any tricks/tips on making scanning easier? and would it be possible to scan the a3 book with a a4 scanner? both scanner and books are fucking enormous.

>>1709325
I second this anon.

I would also like to ask about how large I should be drawing things. For example this picture is 600x600, if I wanted to use it as a piece to replicate for practice, should I be drawing much large, say 1200x1200 or even larger?

>>1709408
Images of a higher resolution contracted look way better than those that are expanded. You should be drawing on a canvas two or more times the size of what you want the final image to be in my opinion.

>>1708689
It's not "cheating" to use rulers or T squares, I mean it is nearly impossible to draw a straight line by hand

>>1708689
my tablet really does not want to work with ps cs6.
itll work for a minute or so, but when i add a layer, or change tools, it wont draw.
itll just make lines.
im using a huion turcom h6580b , if you could help thatd be really nice

I have been using my parent's computer for digital art and it had a recent episode where it would constantly crash while opening large programs or just starting up. They sent it out to be fixed but the person they have it to deleted almost all of my files and programs, including photoshop CS5.

My question is, Adobe has had photoshop 2 for free on their site for a while...is it basically identical to its more advanced versions or is it missing any special features the others might have?

Digital related. I have this bamboo connect tablet and it always makes my lines wavy. How can I fix this? I know I can use the stabilizer but I do not want to rely on it while I'm doing some studies and warmups,

If I make gesture everyday, I'll get better at anatomy?

>>1709532
I've got a somewhat related broad question I'd like to ask myself.

I want to do digital art. However, Photoshop, and, more importantly, Flash, are hella expensive (from my point of view). Photoshop can be replaced with GIMP, to some extent, but is there any good replacement for Flash?

>>1709652
>hella expensive

1. Pirate it
2. Download 2 instead
3. Buy it discounted (student supply websites)

>>1709666
Good options. As far as expenses, it is $50 a month, correct? Unless I'm mistaken?

Also, what do you mean by Download 2 instead?

>>1709652
http://thepiratebay.lv/torrent/9101901/Adobe_Photoshop_CS6_v13.1.2_Extended

Download a torrent client and use this site to download flash as well. You are welcome.

>>1709609
Gestures aren't for anatomy, but more so capturing action and movement so your figures won't look like stiff shit.
>>1709532
As somebody who used to fix computers, that sounds like bullshit that they had to remove almost all of the files, but I guess they just did a format.

As for CS2, it's still solid. Main issue is that it doesn't have a proper rotate canvas tool, and the zoom in/out is inferior to later releases.
>>1709408
I'd say 2000x2000 at the absolute minimum.
>>1709668
>$50 a month
I don't know what you're talking about, but if it's a subscription/Cloud service, never bother. Ever.

>>1709685
The $50 a month for the cloud is all I can find. How would I got about just buying Photoshop or Flash?

>>1709685
>Gestures aren't for anatomy, but more so capturing action and movement so your figures won't look like stiff shit.
But how I get good at anatomy then?

>>1709689
If you're a student, you can get the entire creative cloud suite for $20/month. I got it just by selecting the option that I'm a student, didn't have to prove it or anything.

>>1709697

lol rly? wow. what would only PS cost, if you use the student discount?

>>1709697
That's somewhat more reasonable, but I still don't know if it's worth if I'm not even going to be using it that much.

>>1709685 seemed to imply that there was some way to get it without paying monthly. Is there a way to perhaps obtain an older version for a one-time cost/free?

>>1709685
>As somebody who used to fix computers, that sounds like bullshit
Yeah it definitely was. Judging from what the computer was doing and the error sounds there's probably a piece that's becoming loose inside the tower. They also had a lot of bloatware installed like Norton antivirus. At least once my tax return appears in the mail I'll be able to have my own computer again.

>>1709144

>>1709689
Buy a physical copy at a store, or secondhand.
>>1709691
Study anatomy lol
Your resources should be there in the sticky.

>>1709144
usually you'd set it up at least 3 meters..like um 10 ft. away. you want as simple a light as possible. usually you'd use a black box or a black curtain so ambient light isn't bouncing all over the place. a single window is good, a lamp is fine too.

Can I become a concept artist for Videogames/Movies if I apply myself and study for years?

>>1709714
Somebody has to be. I don't see why it couldn't end up being you. You'll just have to apply yourself and not fall of the trap of becoming "brilliant but lazy". That shit takes hard work.

>>1709714
>video games and movies are capitalized
My autism hurts

In sai, what I should use to blend, water tool or brush tool? I tried using both, looks a little weird.

http://www.dickblick.com/products/mepxy-brush-marker-sets/?obs=y
Anyone ever use mepxy markers? I'm going back to the basics for pretty much everything and markers are the simplest way to get color onto paper I figure but since I'm trying to start smooth the fuck over in regards to art I don't want to waste expensive markers on the most simplistic bull shit just yet. As well any specific sketchbooks/paper that can hold to most mediums well ie water color/markers, pencil, pen, etc. Thanks

>>1709705

there is some older version of PS (i think CS2) that you can download freely. legally you are NOT allowed to use the software without a license (that you should pay for) but adobe have stated that they won't bother checking for licenses, so it's not much of a risk to just use it like it, as if it was free to use. many people do.

most wrongly believe that it's free to use, it's not. read up on it if you are interested i might have gotten the details wrong.

>>1709714

ofcourse you can! believe in yourself!!! FOR FUCKS SAKE.

I'm having real trouble drawing from real life references i can copy a picture reference, adequately but a real life three dimensional drawing looks terrible.

Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain did not help. What do?
Like imma try loomis, but would ya recommend something else?

>>1709776
Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson and drawing more than just faces from life

What size should I be painting at? I usually go around 2000x2000 px, sometimes slightly larger.

Should I go bigger? Smaller? Stay as is?

>>1709868

smaller. i always start out with a 1400*900 canvas. you can always go bigger if you want to render the fucking reflection in peoples pupillae.

you should always start out zoomed out too, and use big chunky brushes to start working out the pos/neg space masses and get a feeling for the composition. also a huge benfit to starting with a low res canvas is that you can use those juicy dual brushes in large strokes without your computer exploding.

>>1709874
Thanks bro

>>1709868
that's fine. really what you need is for you to be able to work on the details without being 100% zoomed in, if you're fully zoomed in you come up against the 'grain' of the pixels and you can't work cleanly. you can resize a canvas early on, but making it bigger later will blur the image and you'll have to fix a lot of stuff.

Does anyone know anything about medical illustration / biomedical communication? My science background is solid, but I don't know how I would prepare for the art portfolio for applying to this program.

Thanks!

anyone know any matte seal for acrylic painted polymer clay sculptures? Only seals I can find are glossy and satin.

And leaving the paint as is leaves it very susceptible to darkening/dirt

Wanted to try the matt spray paint but read somewhere that its bad for polymer clay.

>>1708689
I have problems with drawing surfaces like clothes or irregular ground and everything that's wavy, folded or uneven and is blending because it doesn't have clear borders. How can I learn to draw these objects?

When I draw ellipses inside squares in perspective I notice that most of the times my squares have the wrong proportions.
My question are:

1) How do I draw perfect squares in perspective?
2) If I have to draw an ellipse inside a square in perspective is it better that I draw first the ellipse or the square?

>>1710154
it doesnt matter what order, you should be able to draw a cube around a free ellipse or draw an ellipse inside of a cube, if you can't do either you need to practice freehand ellipses and cubes

don't worry about perfection just use comparative measurements and your eye to do the best you can, art is not an exact science (forgive me if you are trying to become an architect or something)

>>1710009
by drawing them from life and reading some books on drapery

use google and search "drapery studies" and remember to focus on getting the edges (hard, soft, lost) right. Proper handling of edges does more for a drawing than any amount of rendering

>trying to draw a messy stack of books from imagination
>they look like they're floating or going through each another or just wrong.

How can I fix?

>>1710311
practice drawing basic shapes (sphere, cone, cube) in perspective

Ok question. I need some tips for painting leaves. Without masks.

I'm struggling to draw this tree because it's "balding" you can see the branches but the leaves are there. And I am struggling with the edges because the leaves are crisp and hard, but there's a lot of gradations and variations and light and depth going on.

basically just need a good tip for painting this shit so it looks presentable.

is there any guide that tells about properties of different matterials and how to handle them ?

>>1710433
there was a link to a blog on ca called "material" something. And it related to observing the 3 light properties of an object to see how it reacted to light. How Transparent or Translucent the object is. How reflective or specular it is. I forgot the 3rd one. Sorry anon.

>>1710435
can you provide the link ?

Does anyone know anything about silkscreening tshirts?

and all i want to do is start silkscreening my own tshirts with bands i like. I know i know, hipsta. But i honestly don't give a fuck, im tired of these walmart shirts I buy.

>>1710443
im having trouble finding it but i do remember it was on a sticky on conceptart.org before that long hiatus last year.

I'm gonna try to use wayback archive

>>1710443
sorry man im at a complete dead end. Luckily Scott Robertson's second How to Draw book is around the corner. And it's going to cover rendering. He has a few videos about rendering metal and matte surfaces. So you bet the book is going to cover everything from glass, to grass.

>>1710540
thanks for the effort. I watched his how to render videos but they were way too technical.

>>1710435

Ctrl Paint does something similar in his 'painting realistic textures' video or whatever its called. He breaks it down to 4 concepts

Local Colour
Surface Texture
Reflectivity / Glossiness
Translucency / Transparency

Videos like $10 (you may find a torrent link for it somewhere), could be good for a beginner, at least until Scott Robertson finishes his book I've been waiting on for 2-3 years now.

I'm just starting out. I want to be able to draw like pic related.

Anyone know of some non-shitty Illustrator tutorials that would take me in the right direction?

I've been trying to figure out how to draw a cape/cloak/curtain/etc. blowing in the wind, but I can't seem to find any resources in either the sticky links or through Google.

Specifically, I'm looking at a cape that would get lifted up at the back and so the reverse of it would be shown, to a degree.

I'm guessing that I would have to rough out or visualize the cape (or curtain, cloak, etc.) as a fairly basic 3D plane, and then add in details like ruffles, curves, etc. from there.

Would I be correct, or am I thinking too much in a roundabout fashion?

>>1710747
Personally, I would say draw/sketch your character out first in whatever way you want, and then refine it from there. Afterwards, put it into Illustrator and start tracing with your pen tool, making further refinements as you go.

>>1709046
I have this one, I'm getting a tiny bit better these days but I'm getting old too so I'm at the "fuck it" point, which pushes me to do thing I didn't before.

>>1709212
For lost or soft, do you use a water brush or do you change your flow to have a less "hard" edge directly when drawing?

>>1709874
>smaller. i always start out with a 1400*900 canvas.
THATS NOT WHAT SYCRA SAID
ARE YOU TELLING ME SYCRA SENSEI IS LYING

>>1709212
you know there are actually 7 types of edge.

I really don't want to start on paper. I just want to start directly on a tablet. Is there anything wrong with this? I used to doodle and draw in middle and high school.

>>1710907
1. Weeaboo
2. Euroshit
3. Fedora
4. Muh sticky wimps
5. Tumblretards
6. Failed traps
7. You

>>1710919
funny,

i think it's um

1. hard
2. soft
3. fly-away
4. stepped
5. jagged
6. hatched, not sure about this one
7. lost

I'm looking to buy a tablet so I can paint digitally.
What are some good options that are not too expensive?
What program would I use with it?

>>1710937
http://www.monoprice.com/Search?keyword=5551
You're welcome

>>1710923
those are edge textures

a jagged edge is usually hard

a hatch is a hard or firm line

no idea what fly away or stepped is, but it's probably a variation of hard and soft.

>>1710938
Thanks for helping anon
I would be able to drop more money on a tablet, my budget is up to ~100€. I'm a little hesitant to buy something this inexpensive since I planning on using the product often and don't want to buy something that holds me back with technical limitations, be it size or accuracy of the tablet

>>1710940
they're all soft apart from hard in fact. all edges are a degree of softness.

a fly-away edge is like hair.

a stepped edge is where you use intermediate tones/colours.

hatching an edge in painting usually makes it pretty soft.

these are techniques for making edges rather than a degree of firmness.

the 4-edge thing is for analysis really, the 7-edge thing is how you paint.

to master edginess you need both!

Stupid question but what kind of wristband should I get for carpal tunnel syndrom and stuff? Because wristband doesn't translate in my language so could anyone give me some reference, brands, example pictures? Is a simple one, just like the one they use in sports like tennis, ok? Thanks.

Hey pals

Good videos for learning basic painting techniques and whatnot?

I don't know how to paint at all. I got my acrylics, I got my brushes, i'm ready to roll. Who's the Vilppu of painting? I liked Steve Huston videos on NMA but hey I'm not feelin that $30 a month.

Help a fellow out?

>"Read up the guides on the W/ic/i"
>"You're better off practicing rather than just reading stuff."

>Start reading various guides and stuff
>Feel like I'm not learning anything if I don't try myself.
>Start drawing.
>Feel like I know shit about anything I'm doing.

>>1710981 not him but i kind of underestand the different types and how to create them, what I have problem with is when to use what type of edge

>>1711151
Why not draw while reading

>>1710446
bump for me

i want to make shirts

>>1711151
You are like every person learning something, ever. Just keep going.

>>1711284
I'm not him but I also trying to learn how to draw and I would just like to say (to everyone) that /ic/ has been very helpful in aiding me in my journey to becoming a better artist. Even little inspirational comments.
So, thanks you guys <3

How I focus in only one thing when drawing? All my resources are on computer (reference, like models, books etc) but I'm a tradicional artist. When I'm drawing in front the computer I often get distracted by something happening on my notebook screen, and I end drawing less than I wanted.

>>1711294

every time you get distracted and you're strong enough to keep going with your work eat a candy or something small that you like to give an award to yourself.
Keep a box of them near to you.
After days and days you won't be distracted anymore

>>1711381
But you'll have diabeetus.

This may be slightly off topic, but what does this mean in Pixiv: "x became My pixiv with this user y"
x and y being users.

Just popped up in my feed. It has the same icon as follow, except orange.

What software should I use for digital painting?

Do I just buy Photoshop Elements 12?

>>1711431
Don't.

Elements isn't really worth buying over the free alternatives.

The only software you should buy for painting are Photoshop, Corel Painter, Sketchbook Pro, Manga Studio, SAI, or maybe art rage.

Otherwise you should use Krita or FireAlpaca or something.

>>1711384

I said he can eat whatever he wants. However by the time the distractions will be less and less, he won't need to eat something forever.

>>1711433
Thank you for helping.
I played around with the 30 day trial thing in SAI and it was alright, I still would like to explore more options though.

Can you please give me details on which versions of the programs you listed are recommended?
nice dubs

Anyone have that first brush?

Hello guys. I hope this is related.

I have a serious problem with not finishing anything. I started pic related over a month ago. I spent a few hours on it and then gave up. After an hour, I started a new drawing that I didn't finish again. I tried getting into art a year ago, I bought a tablet and everything but now I'm stuck. Is it because I think it's shit that I stop working on it? Is that a good thing? What the hell is wrong with me?

TDLR; I can't finish anything. What do?

>>1711477

I think it's good that you don't render everything smoothly. Because even if I think you could become pretty good, the pic you uploaded shows that you have still problems with structure. Work on that instead of spending hours on a single project.

>>1711477
Maybe you're not satisfied with how it's turning out. (i.e. you're not good enough yet to draw what you want to draw)
Maybe you weren't passionate about the idea to begin with.

>>1711477
Your* a worthless faggot

>>1711477
I wish I could draw like you...

>>1711477
well if you're just drawing a character you're nearly there. If you want to draw backgrounds and shit, you need to plan it out. Make thumbnails. You're not alone. I hate what I make, and I hate how I paint, so I say fuck it and never push through, but that's terrible of me.

I think studying the masters have helped though. They already figured out how to paint a scene. So if you try to copy their work, you kind of see what it's like to make a beautiful painting.

>>1711450
what does it do anon? Looks like something can be easily made.

I want to buy photoshop for drawing.

If I type "photoshop" into amazon it gives me different things like photoshop essentials 12 or photoshop lightroom etc

Which one am I supposed to buy?

>>1711561
Lightroom is some photography tool, and Essentials aka Elements is a dumbed down photoshop which isn't too good for painting purposes.

AFAIK you usually buy Photoshop from Adobe's store directly, but I could be wrong.

Now there's also creative cloud, which is a monthly subscription that gets you the very latest version of any/all adobe software, although it can be absurdly expensive depending on where you live...

>>1711584
That's my problem though, they don't sell anything just called "photoshop" it's only a creative cloud membership for 40$/month, photoshop cc (20/month), lightroom, elements 12 and elements 12 + adobe premiere elements 12

>>1711591
It's probably because the CC is the successor of everything else, and only comes as the monthly fee variant.

Try looking for "Photoshop CS6" or CS5

>>1711595
I don't really want to pay a monthly fee and I don't feel like dropping 1500 on an outdated version either.

Is Corel Painter any good?

>Finally confident with my work
>Don't want to use Tumblr
>Don't want to use DA
>Everything else is shit
>Making my own website costs money unless I use some shit domain site like weebly

Fuck man I just want to post my work in a professional looking online environment.

>>1711601
I don't know about pricing, but according to what you've said so far, for 1500 you could get photoshop CC for over 6 years, without having to deal with an old version for 4 of them, and without having to pay all of it at once.

I don't personally know about Corel Painter, I tried it once but I'm too used to Photoshop's photo editing tools which are obviously way superior, so I kinda dropped it after the trial ended.

I can tell that the brushes were a LOT better than Photoshop's brushes though. Which is a good thing if you're more into the manual kind of painting.

>>1711604
ArtStation
DrawCrowd

Plus it's good to post your art in as many places as you can. There's a lot of pros in DA/tumbs.

>>1711614
Thanks very much for helping anon, I appreciate your effort.

I'll probably stay with physical media for now, I don't like the choice between one overly expensive and one inferior product that's still pretty expensive for what it offers.
I can see how it's reasonable to spend money on software if your job is related to it, but I'm doing this as a hobby. I don't want to spend dosh on something I won't even be able to use to it's fullest extent

Perspective is killing me, I understand all the rules, but when I try to, for example, apply them in the construction of figures from imagination, it just doesn't work out.
Am I retarded or is there something I can do?

>>1711844

How do you know for sure that you understand all the rules?

>>1708689

isnt the future in concept art and movie concept design in 3d anyway? why bother learning 2d ...

>>1712051
3D is a very slow process compared to competent artists bashing out sketches and color keys.
However, with that attitude either switch to 3D for a while and fullt comprehend the process or give up 2D.
Yes I do know both 3D and 2D and they have different strenghts, being able to combine the two in as efficent a workflow as possible is ideal

holy shit. how the fuck do I stop drawing dark lines?

i use a soft charcoal pencil and no matter if they're sketch marks or fine lines, they're always dark and thick. i can't make different values with it

please help

>>1712070
I'm not him but I know nothing (I mean really nothing) about 3D, what are 3D "fundamentals"? Is it like sculpture in a way?

>>1711844
Maybe try to sketch and eyeball perspective without thinking about it too much. After that only, try to fix it and get it right by drawing perspective points, lines...

>>1711844
Try drawing individual major masses of the body in perspective like the head or ribcage.

How the fuck do people paint cities like this? Are some people really just his gud?

I think I'm ready to move onto some tablet drawing. Do I need to sink a billion dollars into an expensive wacom? What's a decent tablet? I hear good thinks about bamboo

>>1708769
I'm opposite. I can draw on paper but I can't do anything on computer. What to do? I can't draw a box or circle.

>>1712097

that's not a painting. that's an in-engine screenshot of a bunch of 3d models put together in Maya and lit and rendered in one of the many different programs used for that purpose. Maybe some touch up work was done afterwards with Photoshop, but it wasn't painted from scratch.

>>1712097
Well the artist (Saul Espinosa) made the background cityscape in the 3D program Maya. I don't know what his workflow after that to achieve the final look is like though, sorry.
Artists that don't use 3D modeling for cities like that usually use a bit and/or a lot of photobashing, and the truly crazy just go right at it because they really are just that gud.

Does copying the drawings in Bridgman's "Constructive Anatomy" book actually help or am I just being retarded for doing that ?

So, I tried to draw some anatomy, and I'd like someone to point out any mistakes I might have made with the muscle structure.

>>1712300
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Human-Skeleton.jpg

It looks like you drew a football outfit with all the padding in skeleton form. I would suggest looking up a chart that labels all the bones so that you understand what goes where and what is connected to what. Also, use a reference.. and when I mean use a reference, I mean actually look at it.

>>1712314
T-thanks, but the skellington part of this was just a dumb sketch.

>>1712072
mm, maybe consider not using charcoal? Maybe draw on bigger canvas, use less pressure, get a gum eraser.

I don't want to pay a monthly fee for photoshop and I dislike piracy.

Do I have any options besides Corel Painter and Sai?

Hey /ic/, I have a big real problem where I can draw 3D forms from pratically any angle, but I can't draw it from front view or side view, looks flat and horrible, how can I get over that? This bothers me so much...
Also, I just can't understand the form of a ball too, always looks flat to me when I try to cross hatch a ball, well... vision of hell if you ask me.
I started drawing this year and this is some of eyes study I did yesterday.
>always the eye

>>1712330
Krita you nigger
>mfw 4chin was kill

>>1712330
MyPaint. http://mypaint.intilinux.com/

>>1712361
>/ic/ probably didn't even notice because this board is so fucking slow

>>1709757
bump on this, thanks.

So. I've been through pretty much all the fundamentals (perspective, construction, muscle memory to some extend and all that shit). What do I do next? Though I have the knowledge on how to do those things I can't really put them into good use when trying to draw stuff. Should I just grind and get gut eventually or are there any specific things I should draw? In the end I want to be able to do humans in armor and landscapes in a somewhat realistic manner.
>TL;DR: Through with the fundamentals in theory. Wat do?

>>1712412
Color and value.

>>1712428
What are some good books for color and value? I think i grabbed one pdf that was in the sticky/wiki link, may have grabbed two if there were two. Havent checked them out yet but im looking to just fill out a folder of good art pdf's so all i can get helps. thanks

>>1711601
>>1711595
>>1711591
>>1711584
>>1711561
>>1711630
>paying for programs
>on 4chan

Photoshop
Is there a hotkey for "next brush"?

AFter format I keep hitting some button and the brush changes.

what can you do to stop your art/work/whatever you do to degrade over time?

quick silly example: the typical A4 paper that common printers use goes yellow in less than a year.

any general tip? about paper, elements to draw/paint with, storage methods (such as the ones they use for famous paints, which incluse paints being in an oxygenless place), anything you can think of?

Where can I find good reference material for city buildings? Like city scapes, roof top views, street views. I can only find the shittiest photographs.

>>1712361
krita is such a slow piece of crap

>>1712578

Hello, I grew up in a place in the world that did not have paper and pencil available to the poor, because of this I have never really drawn where is a good place for an abaolute beginner begins? In school there was no art program either, I did read a bit of Betty's book about drawing on the right side of the brain, but I did not like it. It was also taken away from me after I did the upside down picture.
What exercises can I do to stop symbol drawing and really break things down to simple shapes? Thank you in advance.

I was also beaten as a child.

Can you recommend any place with references of neat interior designs (that aren't all boring ikea tier clean lines and stuff, you know what I mean)?

What's a good way to color with colored pencils? I try to color my pictures because too poor for photoshop and they all look /okay/ but I know my technique is just awful. I can feel it. How exactly do you color something and make it look nice? Every time I try shading by using light colors, bare down harder as I approach shaded areas, it looks somewhat decent until I go over it again with a darker shade. Then I use a shade in the middle of the two to very lightly fill in the gaps. And I usually keep the lines one way at all times so I don't have patchy-looking colors. Can somebody tell me how to do this properly, or point me to a tutorial that can? I figured I'd post here before /diy/ because it seemed more fitting, but I apologize if I fucked up. Using prismacolor pencils btw if that helps.

>>1712686
>>>youtube

>>1712678
Are you looking for sympathy? Jesus Christ you sound like a shiny bitch no one cares if u were beaten. Also look at the sticky u fuckin idiot

>>1712678
Do self portraits.Solved a lot of problems for me. Also when doing line drawing put lines where you need to. Put light thin, lines for areas in light and dark and fat line for areas in shadow. And there are other ways to get your hand on a book in the interwebs. Check youtube.

So, I wanna study some loomis books but I'll make it digitally, is there any problem?
Also, which one is better, loomis, vilppu or michael hampton? I'm a beginner.

Wheres a good place to just work through my proportions, I jumped the shark and have been designing characters without proportion mastery but I want a like blog or website that works through it or gives hints and tips.

>>1712623

on my computer krita isn't slow at all.

Hey /ic/ I have this really weird problem. Every time I make progress I suddenly lose the ability to motivate myself to do anything again for a few days or even weeks. It's like some kind of a cooldown. Maybe it's fear that I wouldn't be able to keep up with the new skills or just laziness, I don't know, but it really bothers me. Any ideas how to get over it?

So is there a start up guide on doing commissions? I want to make some money on the side this summer. I have some questions like, "What if the customer doesn't like the work?" I guess this only matters if the work is digital and you're sending him it over the internet. He could say he hates it, but be able to download the image and save it.

>>1712983

Kind of relates to this but, is it an okay move to do commissions for the furry community? Those guys will buy anything as long as it caters to their fetish. I wonder if this is a good ground to walk upon if you're an artist who isn't confident enough in his skills but wants to make money.

Are there any drawbacks other than getting found out? Also, how bad can it be being found out you comission furry art?

>>1712983

http://shingworks.deviantart.com/art/Commission-tutorial-116427636

http://darlingmionette.deviantart.com/art/Commission-Guide-192937274

>>1713010

What's the best way I can ease myself into commissions though? I'm just nervous my skill won't be that good and would like the opprotunity to gauge where I'm at.

>>1712623
Then go and buy autodesk sketchbook pro

>>1712990
You should probably be more worried about how you're going to live with yourself after that.

>>1712582
>pls respond

>>1712582
try to get "wood-free" (at least that's how it's called in german) or cellulose-based paper or hide it from the sun. UV-light makes it colored...

>>1712678
I was also beaten but the harder they'd hit me the more I'd draw.
Sighting how attracrive you are, I'd say come right up to my place! - And I will reveal the best hidden secrets of drawing to you? No sorry, I was just kidding. The step between symbol and rendered artwork is outlines - like in comics. A stage you can even get comfortable with though...

How do I draw lightning/electricity effects correctly?

>>1712678

i would whiteknight the fuck out of you honey

>>1712349
Could you upload a better example? It might just be a matter of shading that's causing it to look flat.

So... there's no solution to this? >>1709577

>>1713166
Step 1: You need to push the stylus as far up your gaping asshole as you can shove it.
Step 2: Kill yourself

how do i get colors?
everytime i try to practice coloring with a photo as a reference i never get the colors right, and when i just take the colors from the original foto it looks wrong too, also i dont know if is something with the brushes i use but the textures always end up looking all blurry

is there a book in particular that adresses this?

>>1713495

Why don't you just open the links in the sticky and you search the word "Color"?

>>1712623
And Photoshop is fast as light.

>>1712732
None are "better", they are just different. Study them all.

>>1713025
Put up sample, if they like your ability they will want a commission, otherwise they won't.

Anybody got a folder of natural reference poses? Non of that fake super hero shit.

>>1713111
You gotta youtube some lightening bolts to get a feel for how they are shaped.

I want to add some color to my sketchbooks, so I was thinking about using water color paints. What is a good brand to buy paints from? I heard student grade is terrible, so is there a professional/artist grade to use?

How do you artists "study" ?

>>1713745
Winsor and Newton has good pigments, hence theyre expensive. Not all student quality stuff is horrible though, the more renowned brands have perefectly decent student quality stuff, and i would still recommend student quality if youve neverused the medium before. Unless youve got wads of cash you dont need, then you should just get whatever. And give some to me too. Remember that water colours are pretty unforgiving and youll need to reallygetthe hang of them by working in them a whole, whole lot.

>>1713751

It's in a book, just take a look

Here I can learn to color like adam hughes? He uses adobe photoshop cs2

>>1713794

I wasn't able to post the link because of anti spam.
Search on Google:"The Adam Hughes Technique"

I'm meeting a potential drawing buddy for the first time, what to draw together? Do we just doodle, or should we do some studies?

>>1713882

get naked and draw each other

>>1709744
What is the density on for your water tool?

>>1713898

I thought about it. My friend introduced me to her, and now she texted me. But seriously, do we just doodle or study something maybe?

>>1713794
there's nothing super special about his coloring. His notary is from his drawing and painting strength, his subject matter and using copics. If anything he paints like Alphonse mucha.

>>1713903
69 of density

How do you keep yourself going on a piece? I just lose interest after a bit. When's the correct time to just leave a doodle as what it is and stop trying to perfect it?

Anyone got books on animal drawing?

I'm mainly looking for dogs or cats, since those are the ones most people have as pets.

But I'd be OK with any mammals really, I bet there must be someone who'd want a Bear or a Tiger in their house.

>>1714246
What do you want?

>>1714251

Shit anon, I'd tell you everything but I'm afraid you'll just tell me to fuck off.

>>1714254
I'll just upload the animal anatomy books then, they will be in this folder when the upload is complete feel free to help yourself to the other stuff already there.

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/yui2vm6nc98m2/Books_For_Anon

>>1714258

Thank you anon, I'm downloading the animation zip right now.

>>1708689

just came across the sketchbook of Dot on CA.org.

then i read alot of encouraging and uplifting posts by others, as replies of what apparently was a bit of a depressed rant he wrote. the pressures of the freelance life probably.

i got a bit scared because his work seemed quite strong to me, so i spend some time digging up his site and work and it really looks like he has given up on art alltogheter. didn't he use to post here? what happened to me?

i'm terrified of making the same depressing realization that you can't make a decent living painting fantasy stuff for clients over the internet.

am i missing anything or is it just that fucking hard to "make it" ?

>>1714276

DoT = tugelbend

btw

>>1714276
>>1714279

I think he is just not that good tbh.

How do I draw an owl?

does anybody know other alternative site like cghub

no, not drawdrowd

there was other site name art draw or something like that

Does anyone have the full PDF for Art&Fear?

I've found this source, and 5 first chapters work but the rest do not. http://www.libertyeyeschool.com/ap2d.cfm?subpage=1655939

>>1708689
How do I make my sketches better? Every sketch I make (both pen and pencil) is scratchy and untidy, and yet I see other artist's sketches are clean and crisp?

Does it matter which sketchbook you use? I use a shitty sketchpad with no had cover/back, so it's a pain to draw on without a surface.

So, I've been drawing for about a year now, and I've been wanting to dabble into the magical world of painting.
However, I have no idea where to start.
Like the whole concept of using a large brush to create forms and counters/edges is really alien to me.

Any good resources on that?

>>1715092
take a couple months of life drawing, and use fat drawing materials on a large drawing pad(newsprint) you'll dump that sketchy line quickly.

As long as it's acid free it's decent paper. Different sketchpads react differently to what materials you use. Some have a little bit of a feedback. They might take pencils, pens or markers better than others. Some might absorb sweat or moisture differently. Some have a middle tone to them to practice value.

If you want a hardback there is moleskin, picadilly, canson. They all make nice sketchpads. But even a grocery store pad will handle ballpoint pens differently. They just might not handle your moisture that well, and the feedback might be awful.

Not sure if this has been asked before. I'm pretty shit at art and decided to start with the Betty Edwards book in the sticky. However there are a shit ton of materials, so I wasn't able to do all of the exercises. Should I just buy the materials or try another book?

>>1716006
paper and pencil, that's everything you need to grind.

>>1716011
He means the materials in the book. The newer editions of Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain basically require you to buy a bunch of stupid bullshit. It's fucking retarded and I'll regret to my dying day ditching my older edition for a new one that I bought purely because the old one was in rough shape. I assumed they had the same exercises and same material requirements but I was wrong. Dead wrong. I have no idea how to even begin following along with the book now that there's all this babby crap amended to it.

Anyway all you really need to read and do in Betty Edwards' book is like the first and second chapters or so; she has the best way of explaining and teaching observational drawing out there. After that point it's all a bunch of bullshit that's better taught by other authors, Loomis etc.

>>1716006
>. Should I just buy the materials or try another book?

Don't buy anything and move to Keys to Drawing

I'm interested in learning psychedelic painting techniques, or effects (abstract techniques for example) that could be altered or combined with any of my existing layouts to provide more depth and variation.

Does anyone have any advice, techniques, links, or artists related to psychedelic art techniques?

>>1716125

http://www.beaucoupzero.com/

>>1716127

oops sorry that was his shop. This is his gallery:
http://www.013a.com/

I found him on DA years ago, but now he has deleted everything on his account

>>1716022
and Keys to Drawing from Imagination

So much good advice for beginners.

>>1716289
Keys to Drawing with Imagination

I know you guys don't like anime, but the thing I like about it the most is how smooth and animated they look.

I've been doing so many gestures but I still can't get close to this level of movement. I care about anatomical accuracy, but not as much as the liveliness of a figure.

Where do I do gestures from? I don't get how I can come close to achieving such creative and momentous poses.

Not the best example of what I'm talking about, but it's one I have saved.

>>1714251
Not sure if you'll see this but, can I have the Animation and Cartooning folder please?

>>1715056
Why don't you try reading de txt version? It's almost the same. Here: https://www.mediafire.com/?9cj5avr4c2m143b

Is the Touch feature of the Wacom tablets worth it?
Is the lack of an eraser on the pen too much of aproblem on an Intuos Pen Only?
Is the Intuos Pen Only as big as an Intuos Medium?
How bad is it if I get an Intuos Small instead of an Intuos Medium?
How fucked I am if I have to pay the equivalent of 480 fucking dollars to get an Intuos Pen & Touch (Medium) thanks to the 3rd world country I live in?

I seriously want to get into digital art. And I need help with this.

>>1716777
>Chansey
>lucky 7 trips
lel

>>1716777
If money is that much of an issue for you, and you're skimping out on the size (Small really is... small), don't get a Wacom.

UC Logic (Monoprice, Huion, etc), and UGEE tablets are fine. There's more but I can't think of anything; but the Internet and (personal) reviews are your friend here.

And no, lack of an eraser on a pen isn't an issue. I used to have one on my old Wacom tablet that broke and switched to a non-eraser tablet pen, and I totally forgot about it until you're mentioned it.

Hell, I'd argue it's better to not use one because it's faster to key 'e' (or whatever your eraser tool is set at) than to reverse the pen. Not to mention that the pen tip has more sensitivity than the eraser, and is more accurate.

$480 is a fucking lot, dude. You can get something solid for just 1/4-1/5 of that.

>>1716716
It's not just gestures, but anatomy and figure drawing. Mainly gestures and figure drawing, but anatomy helps for obvious reasons.

It takes years of practice to get to that skill, much like a lot of things in art.

>>1716716
Animation. The best animators have awesome movement in their sketches, so study what they studied. Tons of quick sketches and gestures, life drawing doing studies as the model moves around the room or performs certain movements, creating animations and such, the whole deal. I think it's a shame animation principles aren't encouraged more on here, you can learn so much from artists like Glen Keane when it comes to gesture and movement.

>>1716786
Thanks for replying anon. I can't get any of those UC Logic tablets here, and if I get them through the internet it would be better for me to just get an imported Intuos, which I was trying to avoid but I guess it'll be my best bet here. My options would be to get a local intuos pen only (for $160, which I'm gonna guess it's still a ton) or to try to buy something on amazon for the first time and hope there are no problems with shipping or importation or any of that shit.

>>1716802
>and if I get them through the internet it would be better for me to just get an imported Intuos
You have to get them through the Internet basically, as it's mainly sold in HK/China.

Importing one of those tablets I've aforementioned will be cheaper than an Intuos.

>>1716805
Oh, I see. Although I've been told that the drivers could be a problem, and that the pen requires batteries. Also, I'm not sure about the quality of chinese reproductions... other than that, what are the main differences?

>>1716810
My Monoprice tablet's drivers for some reason disables my laptop (Lenovo G500)'s keyboard drivers, but it's a very uncommon issue. I'm probably one in a handful of people who have that issue, according to what I've searched for help-wise.

I think it might be an issue with some programs (SAI maybe?). Do some research on that, I guess. I've used it on PS CS3-6 and it's been fine.

And they are not reproductions, they are completely different products. This is important to consider.

The quality is fine (and I've dropped my tablet a few times because I kicked the cord). Only issue is, or at least with Monoprice (don't have experience with the other UC Logic and UGEE tablets) is that the default pens are constructed very cheaply, and you'd have to buy a separate pen to replace it as it'll break given several months of use. The pens are cheap, especially in comparison to an Intuos pen (like, $10 USD)

As for the batteries, it's not really an issue. The pen might feel a little heavy for a while because of the battery, but eventually you don't even notice it. For me it feels like absolutely nothing, as I've used mine daily for 2+ years. Batteries last a long time too, even on the default batteries.

Also comes with a lot of spare nibs.

>>1716787
>>1716800
It's kind of hard building such crazy actions from imagination without having seen them performed in real life.

I'm currently going through Preston Blair's cartoon pdf and doing running animations, but are there other books I should be reading?

How do I learn to shade?
I only did linear drawings my whole life and I'm trying to start shading them now, I can do basic shapes perfectly, but when I try to shade a body a face or anything else it end up sucking. Please help me strangers on the internet!

If I want to practice gesture drawings, should I do it on big sheets of paper with charcoal?

I'm more used to just drawing with a Ticonderoga pencil or HB on card stock, or in a little sketchbook.

I'm not as comfortable with charcoal, but it seems more fluid and better suited for gesture drawing. Should I step out of my comfort zone?

I am not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I will try.

How do you go about finishing something? Especially in design. I have a good start, ideas, sketches and whatnot. But I struggle to bring it to perfection, I always miss "something". I tend to look at art in general for inspiration, but I fear i might just copy something unconsciously. What do you do? Or do you even have this problem at all?

>>1717024
I think you definitely should. Drawing in a small scale is way easier than drawing on a big sheet of paper. I struggled with charcoal at first, but it gives a very natural feeling to the drawing. The shading has also a very different feel to it. You become more confident in your lines. Well, at least I did.
But then again, if you are on the go and want to practice, having a little sketchbook with you and drawing people that are around can be a good thing to do, too.

reading about charcoal reminded me of something:
i think the reason i subconciously don't choose charcoal is because i think it may be bad for my health.

so is it? or am i just being ridiculous?

>>1717062
in general, no. Especially if you avoid blowing it away with your mouth. You can always buy ones that are labeled "non-toxic" if you want to be 100% sure.

>>1717064
oh crap so it actually can be bad for you?
just like with pencils, don't mind having it on my skin, but with charcoal it's precisely the particles in the air that would bother me.

>being scared of charcoal

>>1717070
I never had any problems based on drawing with charcoal (been drawing with it 7+ years). If you are sensible tho, you might wanna go for the non-toxic ones or use a dust respirator. Then of course, it depends on how much you draw and if you use excessive amounts of charcoal.

i think i could draw something but i don't have much experience so i can't figure out what to do first.

could someone suggest me an order?
i'm gonna draw a landscape. although the landscape itself won't be the focus. a tree and 2 beings will. maybe mostly the beings.

since there's kinda tons of things going on, i'm scared of fucking up by doing something first and then noticing i should've done something else first, and then i can't just fix it withough ruinning the drawing.

hi, is there a website for poses? like posemaniacs, I remember there was one site on poses, but instead of an image stock of the pose, it shows the simple form shape in different colors. I cant remember if it was japanese or not. If anyone know, much appreciated.

I'm looking for an artist. Absolutely forgot his name. He draws large dotwork posters (with tricky fonts and shit). Also he has some kind of character. Such stylized busty woman with black hair and forelock. He also made a sculpture of here that was somwhere on deviantart. I know he has personal blog, but I can't find anything. Help, guys.

Is there any way to not uncontrollably and totally hate with the passion of a thousand suns someone that's better and/or gains more appreciation than you?
I'm a pretty laid back person but holy fuck does the jelly train hit me hard.

>>1717100
Gotcha

http://www.eggazyoutatsu.net/eng/atarichanDrawer.html

>>1717311
>pretty laid back person
>jelly

Pick one.

For me I don't get jealous. I'm competitive, I use the skill level of those who are better than me as motivation to get better. Appreciation doesn't mean shit to me, sure I'm not gonna turn it down (let's be honest though I'm too shit right now to get any real appreciation) but all I really care about is critique and having people who are as good or better than me pointing out what I need to fix or how to get better.

>>1717093
Try by getting the biggest items down pat first and work your way down to the smallest items.

You can then apply this to every thing within the landscape. Like trees you get the general shape and feel and slowly go to smaller and smaller things. Start big, end small. As the details are always the small bits.

When doing pictures with charcoal or graphite, after I've done the lay in, what do I do next? The background? The values of the objects in the picture?
Can someone detail their process for me and maybe show me a sample of there work? It could be an elaborate illustration, self-portrait or a mundane fruit still life. Anything will do. Just tell me what the steps are.

How long should a beginner spend on a value study like this? I'm really slow because I make so many mistakes, so finishing this study will probably take me several hours. Is it a good idea to spend this time or should I pick a new reference and go for speed after a certain time?

>>1717060
Thanks. I took an art class in community college last year, and it was 90% charcoal work. I think I've gotten a better feel for it, although we never drew figures. Which is what I want to work on.

>>1717465
Stop worrying about so many mistakes, use a bigger brush and cover more ground. Try do a bunch of references, don't focus all your time into just a study.

>>1717455
Block in values then smudge or blend (I don't know how you work.) I personally do the background after I've done everything else first but, that's just me and probably, a lot of people won't recommend it.

So, basically.

Sketch/Mapping > Refine/Fix > Block values > Background > Smudge/Blend/Refine > Highlights

>>1717024
Drawing on a bigger piece of paper gives you more control of the charcoal, I tend to struggle when I work in tiny notebooks with even charcoal pencils. I highly suggest doing figure drawing on bigger paper because you want the gestures to flow and it, again, is harder to do that on smaller paper.

The sheets of paper I want to do charcoal sketches on is too big for my desk. But I can put it on a board and on a little TV stand. I kind of have to bend over it draw because it's short.
Won't this probably hurt my back? Does anyone have another idea on where to put my board?

>>1717486
Can't you just buy an easel or prop up the paper onto a something or tape it to a wall?

>>1717486
eh, I would recommed for you to be standing up straight while drawing. If you can't afford an easel, I would probably go for sitting while having the board lean on my thighs and the edge of the table. I hope this makes sense, I don't know better words for this.

>>1712623
protip: enable OpenGL

>>1717490
Yeah just as my post left I figured that's what people would suggest. Is it one of those things where I ought to buy an expensive one or will a 20 dollar easel do?
>>1717495
That makes sense. Although the board feels pretty uncomfortable on my lap, maybe that's just me.

Also the only problem with taping the paper to the wall besides there not being a lot of space to do that, is that I'd have to keep turning my head to look at the reference on my monitor.

>>1717502
you could even craft one yourself if you are handy enough. It doesn't have to have adjustable height since it would be only you using it and in the same position all the time. You say you have to look at your monitor for reference. Is there any way you could get people to pose for you irl?

>>1717536
Be kind of weird. Maybe when friends come over and we're just sitting around I could pop out some quick sketches of them, clothed though of course.
Next semester I'm gonna take a figure drawing class, so hopefully that will help.
For the meantime I've just been drawing from books or pictures online.

Most efficient ways to improve?

I just... draw something from reference and then draw it from memory the next day or two. I do quick gestures everyday. Is there any more to it besides drawing different subject matter from reference > then from imagination and studying old masters?

I'm improving slowly but surely, however I always wonder if there's a better way. I should probably draw more from life.

>>1717543
I was asking because drawing from photos is really not the best option. I don't get the 3D feel and stuggle with proportions and perspective way more if I try to use a photo instead of a real model. But maybe it's easier for you.
I attended a figure drawing class, but I had a friend who would pose for me in underwear. I also asked around dorm a few times, some people don't have a problem with that.
Hope you will learn a lot in the class and enjoy it! Best of luck.

>>1717553
Set projects for yourself, make some of them stuff that you don't think you can pull off. Then try to do it. You'll learn a lot by reaching to far and while it won't always turn out well it will force you to push yourself to the limits of your ability and teach you to not take yourself to seriously since a lot of the times you won't reach your goal.

But this is what works for me, it's up to you to find out what works for you.

>>1717564
I will, thanks.

>>1717479
What do you mean 'block' in the values?

What is temperature contrast principle? Just "cool shadows/warm light" (or v.v.)?

>>1717573

Vilppu says about clavicles "For men they go horizontal to up, and for women horizontal to down", but as I can see women have clavicles form identical to men's (horizontal to up). Was sir Vilppu, god of anatomy, wrong or maybe I just don't get it?

>>1717955
There are exceptions to every rule

>>1717952
never understood what the fuck does "halftone" mean.Like..it's half range between the base value and the shadow values?

>>1717959
But it doesn't seem to be an exception

>>1717982
Half of those slope down. There are all sorts of people, you can compile an image of six women with beards too. Vilppu seemed to be talking about a standard, idealized anatomy, just be aware that variants exist and you aren't restrained by strict rules.

>>1717990
>Half of those slope down
Where? I just can't see it. You mean the very end of clavicle? Acromion?

I know it's important to learn the basics first if you want to draw cartoons/animu/whatever.

But when do you "switch"? Or do you just practice both at the same time?

>>1718087
You switch when you get the basics down, but you know, for real, not just when "you feel like you're ready", drawing both at the same time is fine too as long as you give them the same amount of attention.
Also remember that you're learning the fundamentals to apply them to your animus and whatever you draw, I knew some dude that even when supposedly studying the stuff, he would go on and draw "in his way" ignoring everything, this lead to stagnation and even deterioration in his work, seriously, he spent over 3 years drawing like that and guess how much progress he made, that's right, none.

I'd like to delve deeper into anatomy.

I think my problems are not being able to place masses correctly. And I certainly have trouble identifying those when I study the model.

So I know all the books are good, but SPECIFICALLY which "AVAILABLE" anatomy book has good illustrations for the muscles? They're all good for bones I just need to see stuff like face, back, neck, torso, legs. I think the face co....


you know what i just don't fucking know anymore, I've been drawing a long time and i still suck, I just want to hurry up and improve...

>>1718202
and maybe some more tips on measuring?

I hate that even when I use all the tools to measure, I'm STILL off. I have to literally trace a line to the picture to get it positioned correctly.

Im fairly new to drawing, and im looking to get into character design, and environment design. My question is, what should I practice? Ive read the sticky but im looking to narrow my studies down. Is that a bad thing? Should I just practice everything until im good at literally every aspect of drawing? Or is that just a big waste of time that will make me just "okay" at every aspect of the drawing spectrum?

SEMI RELATED

I upload all my work to my facebook profile and deviant art, but when I google my name in another computer and check my facebook, I can't see my pictures, only my friends can see them, but I want EVERYONE to see them so they contact me if they want me to work for them.

How do?

what fucking brush is this and where can I find it?

>>1718202
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/9178445/CGMW-_Analytical_Figure_Drawing_-Michael_Hampton_pt1

You're welcome :3

>>1708689
I want to set out as a pro and make my name heard.

What's a good moniker or username I could go by? So far I have:
>King Dude
>Kid Crimson
>Crimson
>The King of Dudes
>CrimsonKid (sounds too much like Crimson Chin imo.)

So far I like Kid Crimson, it has attitude.

>>1718246
I've been looking for the artists of those forever. Anyone know them?

>>1718257
Artist* probably

>>1718256

Just use your normal name or some variation faggot

>>1718259
>faggot

Thank you for your time, sir. I will call back if I have accepted your advice. Please show yourself to the door.

>>1718256
Just use your real name and you wont come off as a pretentious person.

>>1718261
My name is kind of boring, though. I'll resort to it if I get famous enough. What I want is something recognizable for when I start up my trade on DA or Conceptart or such.

>>1718252
thank you anon ill give it a try. Im looking at all these exercises of people who figured it out, and I simply have no idea what theyre doing. I want to do what they do, I just simply don't know. But eh thanks for that. If you can tell im in a really dark frustrating place right now, forgive me.

>>1718256
sure go with kid crimson

i'm using a moniker too

>>1718260
i'm voting for "giant faggot" here

>>1718256
were those names you came up with in preschool?

>>1718287
eh calm down, it's not that big a deal. You have to be nice to other artists. Maybe one day kid crimson will be putting clothes on your back or blacklisting you from the industry.

>>1718287
Not that anon, but...
It's from a band, I think. A S.O. I had loved this band, sounds like every person that likes this band is sorta psycho about it and wants to put it in everything as reference. It's not even the first one I saw that wants to rip off something from the band because it is "FUCK SO AMAZING LIKE THE BEST EVER BRO SRSLY". Their friends were a blast, maybe that anon would like them a lot. A bunch of young males crazy about King Crimson.

Something like those girls that liked Backstreet Boys back then and used everything about "Backstreet Boys", but now it changed to probably a young male and "King Crimson".

>>1718245
It'll be under your privacy settings somewhere anon, either switch general privacy settings to Public (Everyone), or go find the setting specifically for your photos and make them public.

My question's about ink and scratchboards. I'm fascinated with that medium at the moment, pic related, and been filling my sketchbook with terrible pen sketches to experiment with it. I'm not sure how to take it to the next step though, does anyone know of any good tutorials for it? I'll be making a digital workflow for it but I want to keep it as close to how Doré and such would work as possible, no gradients or little cheats to make it faster.

>>1718246
Is that Bravil?

>>1714251
You wouldn't happen to have Greuze the
Draftsman would you?

I'm looking to getting a single grey copic marker, just to add basic shading to my sketches,

What Number do you guys think i should get?

>>1718257
Damian Bajowski probably

If i make a comic book where I also draw famous contemporary buildings. Can the architects pretend I pay for the rights?

When can I sign up on gfxpeer?

Has anyone here found it worthwhile to copy the bargue plates or better yet, mucha's plates?

I'm about to try this as I'm desperate for new ways to improve and challenge myself, but I'm wondering if it's truly worth the time and effort compared to other studies?

I have problems with making account on CA, pic related.

Anyone had similar problem?

>>1719377
forgot pic