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>> No.71686548

>Q418 v Q319
>save $115 but have to buy expensive high speed RAM and 15w TDP active cooled 570 motherboard that roars like a jet engine
>will shit the bed anytime an intel optimized program is ran
>shit at av512 and emulation

blunder of the century

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>> No.71686566

Yeah I give u that Incel is superior at:
Power consumption

>> No.71686572

Why do you retards think a 3600X needs a 570 motherboard?
I use a 2600X with a B350, running at 4.3GHz. Have over 10 months now, works fine.

>> No.71686586

>30 bucks more for ram = bad
>1000 bucks more for industrial chiller = good

>> No.71686590

ram speed does not matter u retard

>> No.71686594
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>>shit at av512 and emulation
Cope harder.

>> No.71686606

This, I'll be getting a 550 too.

>> No.71686613
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mfw works on bottom barrel ddr4

>> No.71686647
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btw all these benches and the passmark ones didn't run at full core boost, also what mem did they use, does someone have a link

>> No.71686650

>>>/pol/ is that way

>> No.71686667

Just click on it and see fucking mongol

>> No.71686668

But we all know that:
1) That's wrong
2) If you want fast RAM, just buy Hynix shit, works fine with Ryzen at high frequencies even on Zen 1 (since last May)

>> No.71686674

im asking for a link to the bench bc i can't find it brainlet..

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>> No.71686703

Now try with Demon's Souls

>> No.71686711
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Literally just open up a CPU list

>> No.71686721

>still hasn't posted the link but went through the trouble of posting a screencap

>> No.71686729

why should he post a link for something that you find by going to the website and typing the name of the component? do it yourself you tard

>> No.71686734

Go to the two threads that image was posted in the archive. Discussion about Demon's Souls is there too, apparently working fine.
If a game works on Intel, it works on AMD too, any performance issues are game specific.

>> No.71686743

>still hasn't posted a link but typed out a useless comment

>> No.71686747
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>Single core within margin of error between 3600 and 9900

>> No.71686748

fuck away pajeet

>> No.71686752
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so this pajeeto ran it underclocked with completely fucked bios and ram settings it seems, and it scored that high?

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Google image and yandex has failed me, care to give a sauce?

>> No.71686808


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>> No.71686816

price doesnt matter

>> No.71686823

Where is the guy spamming the latency graph? i thought he was working 24/7?

>> No.71686886

>latency graph?

>> No.71686927

oh yeah, I guess he's asleep still

>> No.71686941

>3 core with far memory controller vs. 8 core
It's 3 cores to minimize input lag, FYI. Imagine paying for 6 cores but only using 3 while gaming.

>> No.71686945

>input lag
well meme'd

>> No.71686948

or i can just get a Bx50 mobo and do it cheap just fine
is there no end to intcel cope?

>> No.71686953

Try it yourself.

>> No.71686960

where do you retards congregate?

>> No.71686961

Intcel shills are just trying to meet their quota by these 5 days. Hasbara is already hard at work to create those shill scripts for after the 7/7 holocaust.

>> No.71686967

Go into BIOS and set it to 4+0.

>> No.71686974

and what does ccx-ccx latency have to do with input lag, you mongoloid

>> No.71686994

>OS balancing load across two distant sets of cores
>FPS decreases
>interrupt latency increases
>input lag increases

>> No.71686998

>It's 3 cores to minimize input lag, FYI. Imagine paying for 6 cores but only using 3 while gaming.
Input lag is a meme. Core latency and RAM latency can drop FPS massively (And that's the main reason why Ryzen loses in gaming and why they've doubled L3 cache), but it's not something that's noticeable in therms or input latency. At worst you'll fell the FPS drop.

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>> No.71687019

input lag always increases when fps decreases
so please tell me where you retards congregate, because some people on this board seem to parrot this retardation about certain measured memory latencies automatically leading to significantly more input lag

>> No.71687021

You absolutely will notice it, go try it yourself instead of mentally masturbating on reddit.

>> No.71687034


>1. You realize you don't have to buy a 570 mobo right? You can use a $40 B350...
>2. You don't have to buy more expensive ram

> Sure, anyone who optimizes just for one specific architecture will see better performance on that architecture. That's terrible software development, and major softwares will not be optimized just for Intel.

>> No.71687035

are you even getting paid for this?

>> No.71687059

You *DO* recognize the character? Search parody of that anime on any hentai site, specially sad panda, you'll find it in 2 minutes.

>> No.71687065

No, just sharing my findings. I can't lead a horse to water though.

>> No.71687067

But I heard that applications only use one core and that 4 cores is all I need? Did you lie to me before? Or are you lying to me right now? Or is it both?

>> No.71687074

kek it's currently literally the first result when you search the anime on exhe

>> No.71687076

>Where is the guy spamming the latency graph? i thought he was working 24/7?
He's overdoing it, but quite frankly memory performance looks like shit even in better scenarios. Looks like 70+ns latency is normal now (can't say I've expected anything else with I/O die)
Here's few 3200, 4000 and 4266 results

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>and 15w TDP active cooled 570 motherboard that roars like a jet

>> No.71687093

Memory latency doesn't matter if the results are fine.
You people are bitching about a car thats engine runs at 0.7X the RPM of another car, while still being faster than the car running at higher RPM. While costing half the price and taking half the gas unit per distance unit.

>> No.71687095

oh no it's retarded

>> No.71687097

I will most certainly not, since I've only got 75Hz monitor. But maybe some pro's do notice it on 100+ fps. I won't argue here because I obviously can't try it myself.

>> No.71687105

Northbridges on some Intel boards used to be way over 15W, nobody complained, we just swapped them out for huge ass passive coolers and it was fine. Suddenly this is a huge problem and nobody understands that you don't have to use X570 to get good performance with 3000 or if you do, you can probably afford a passively cooled one anyways, if not, you're probably smart enough to put a passive heatsink on it yourself.

>> No.71687108

funny how the retards mentioning input lag are always either trolling or unable to substantiate anything
(probably because they don't actually understand how things work and it literally can not be substantiated on account of it being literal nonsense)

>> No.71687113
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Testing with a 2600, disabling half the physical cores gives much worse game performance in modern games. Same with SMT.

>> No.71687119

>my findings
So you already have zen2 chips? And you're shitposting in this african basket weaving board with cropped and pozzes el chupacabra screenshots instead of posting your "findings" or ppsting them on jewtube? LMAO.

>> No.71687143

Modern games use 4 cores so of course you'll get worse performance. Latency will definitely decrease with a CCX disabled. The latency difference of SMT is negligible, however the FPS increase is substantial when CPU-bound.

>> No.71687169

Oh okay, so it's just a meme. Thanks.

>> No.71687199
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There's something fucky going on with this RAM, it seems to be underclocked or otherwise messed up.
If the results are like this with bad RAM or beta BIOS or whatever the fuck is going on here, this chip is going to be an absolute monster.
I can't wait to see the proper benchmarks, especially with the higher end parts. I wouldn't be surprised at all if AMD actually became the single core king with this lineup.

>> No.71687215

>expensive high speed RAM
Samsung c-die costs 50$ at most and easily reaches 3200.

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the boost is also only 3.9 instead of 4.4
the 3600 tests have it at 4.02 instead of 4.2

there was good 3600 test with 3200mhz + normal clocks on passmark but got deleted
score was 21333 or similar

>> No.71687243

>buys 3+3 core
>complains about being cornered in

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>No, just sharing my findings

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Best score so far

>> No.71687292

it'll be embarrassing if the 3600 can clock as high as a 9700k. if it can't, which is likely, intel will still come out on top, albeit at a much higher price.

>> No.71687307

it's not about clockspeed

>> No.71687325

just give up
post measurements or fuck off

>> No.71687327

>only muh jigahurtz matter!
By that logic, the highest end intelaviv would be btfo'd by an fx chip.

>> No.71687333

This. I have a 2700X myself but WAIT FOR USER REVIEWS YOU RETARDS.
>Imagine believing marketing companies

>> No.71687345

>kiketel shills are THIS desperate

>> No.71687358

>says the shill
Oh yes, no company has ever lied before, or been misleading.

>> No.71687388

the talk being zen 2 has similar or better ipc than whatever lake the 9700k is. that leaves clock speed as the main point of differentiation for performance. zen 2 most likely won't clock as high as intel, at least not these first wave of chiplets. fuckin nasty chiplets, m8. wait for 5ghz+ next year.

>> No.71687397

>8 core
>8 threads
OHNONONO what year is it?

>> No.71687429

What do you need more than 8 threads for?

>> No.71687432
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tested on a [email protected], 3200 CL11

>> No.71687433
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>bought a 9700k two weeks before AMD announcement
a-atleast it does 5.2GHz

>> No.71687455

>the boost is also only 3.9 instead of 4.4

I'm actually a bit skeptical about that part.
Because these CPUs would utterly crush Intel if that was the case.
from 3.9 to 4.4 is 12.8% increase, so we'd be looking at a single core of 161 and that's with fucked up RAM. Quickly looking at the recent benchmarks, the 9900k at 5.2GHz gets 161 points. That to me that sounds too good to be true, a cheap stock 4.4Ghz chip trading blows with a 5.2Ghz monster.
Also if this score scales linearly then at 4.7GHz we'd be looking at a SC of 172. If the chips hit the magical 5Ghz then it's 183 points.

I'm going to keep my expectations somewhat in check and in the best case scenario expect the higher end AMD to inch slightly above Intel's best in SC.
Anything more and it's one hell of a plus. Either way in few days we're finally going to know the real performance. Can't wait to see the proper benchmarks.

>> No.71687457

I bought one at launch, have some regret but not really. If it's on-par with Intel, I couldn't care less.

>> No.71687460

these are microseconds
does this correspond to actual increased input lag?

>> No.71687475

how did you get cl11 at 3200. i'm stuck at 14.

>> No.71687487

Yeah, hundreds of interrupts happen a second. Plus the interrupt to process latency is much higher than DPC latency, so it's much higher than a microsecond with 8c16l. Everything is more vague when the latencies get that high. My laptop gets .32us for reference.

>> No.71687492

Jesus fuck Intel is absolutely dead.

>> No.71687496

1.6 vddr

>> No.71687504

Can anyone explain why retards still buy Intel while Ryzen is out? Some have said they were unsure about AMD and the 2 "le gamers" I know that have Ryzen hate it.
>single channel ram
>other has 2133Mhz RAM
Clearly Intel is better for normies

>> No.71687512

ha, everything he said is wrong.

>> No.71687514

>2133mhz RAM
Tell them to at least use XMP profiles

>> No.71687531

Intel fanboys are legitimately mentally ill

>> No.71687533

He doesn't want to go into the BIOS
Other bought 16gb single stick because it was cheaper, no intention of getting another
Both regret getting Ryzen because their performance is shit, but by their own doing... Ryzen isn't very user friendly to get top-tier performance.

>> No.71687536

This. Latency means shit when it's already performing better than the competition.

>> No.71687537

streaming games. h264 scales up to 18 threads( 16 threads is more stable though). So 6-8 threads for the game and 16-18 threads for perfect stream quality we got a ways to go :). Fuck 2 pc setup streaming it's objectively a worse experience for both viewer and streamer.

>> No.71687542

can confirm

>> No.71687544

okay but how would u explain the boost being reported wrong (lower) across different runs, tests, and programs?

Why did the good pissmark bench get deleted also, can users do that?

>> No.71687547

>does this correspond to actual increased input lag?
None you can measure without a 10000 FPS camera to get a non-margin of error result.

>> No.71687548

>ram speed doesn't matter
What a lie. That was a big deal during the principled technology debacle.

>> No.71687549

The fuck are you talking about? I still use an FX-8350. These are some "retard le' gamer" friends who bought Ryzen and "built it themselves".

>> No.71687567

Okay, but anything else? You're referring to 0.001% of the PC userbase... Besides, we need less retards streaming anyways.

>> No.71687576

yeah, it was basically a rhetorical question

>> No.71687592

>okay but how would u explain the boost being reported wrong (lower) across different runs, tests, and programs?
It's not wrong. Boost is never guaranteed on all cores. It's actually not even guaranteed on a single core. CPU MAY hit the boost frequency if the temperature is fine and there's still enough voltage headroom and the power consumption is in check.
Few different CPUs may boost differently.

>> No.71687596

No idea. Maybe there's something fucky going on with the BIOS and it's not reporting the boost correctly or something else is at the play.
It's just that the results are looking a bit too good to be true for me if these are in fact non boost results. It would put pretty much even the lowest end parts ahead of 5Ghz Intel.
I do wish these are non boosted results though, because it would make the upgrade even crazier.

>> No.71687623

>muh 10 less fps in the same fps bracket
Okay, but anything else? You're referring to 0.001% of the PC userbase... Besides, we need less retards gaming anyways.

>> No.71687638

is there that much of an improvement over the 1600x? how does it to for gaming or video editing?

>> No.71687641

lots of other stuff i just mentioned the most normie usecase for it. any workstation usecase scales with cores do your own damn research before posting nonsense

>> No.71687642

Holy shit, street shitters really turned up for this thread! Maybe you fellas should save up a few more rupees and by superior hardware, instead of coping this pathetically.

>> No.71687659

in the trash it goes

>> No.71687673

good reply dumbass

>> No.71687679


>> No.71687686

based roomtemperatureIQposter

>> No.71687704

good reply dumbass shill

>> No.71687756

1% better gaming, INTEL BTFO

>> No.71687791

Cope more AMDrone. Still yet to give me any reasons other than game streaming. I guess this is why Intel still wins and only poor fags buy poozen.

>> No.71687795


>> No.71687798

I want to hear what the AMDrones who parrot how good Ryzen is have to say.

>> No.71687815

>still avoiding the question

>> No.71687820


>> No.71687832
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>save $115 but have to buy expensive high speed RAM

>> No.71687836

what are u even asking shlomo? for people to justify why they'd want more cpu power?

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Buttery smooth 1.6 FPS

>> No.71687840

human eye cant see past 1 image per second fucking retard that's why we use seconds as standard to measure time

>> No.71687845

Intards will actually believe you

>> No.71687856

This, life is just a painful sequence of slides.

>> No.71687865

The eye can't see faster than 1 frame per 60 seconds anyway

>> No.71687879


>Multi-core doesn't matter!
>Productivity doesn't matter!
>Price/performance doesn't matter!
>Performance per watt doesn't matter!
>Power usage doesn't matter!
>Temperatures don't matter!
>Soldered dies don't matter!
>Stutters don't matter!
>Streaming doesn't matter!
>Data centers don't matter!
>Locked CPUs don't matter!
>OEMs don't matter!
>Hyperscalers don't matter!
>Upgradeability doesn't matter!
>Anti-competitive business practices don't matter!
>Locked platform features don't matter!
>Synthetic loads don't matter!
>PCI-e lanes don't matter!
>Burnt pins don't matter!
>Heat doesn't matter!
>1771w cooler doesn't matter!
>Server space doesn't matter!
>ECC support doesn't matter!
>Free RAID doesn't matter!
>NVMe RAID doesn't matter!
>StoreMI doesn't matter!
>IPC doesn't matter!
>7nm doesn't matter!
>HEDT doesn't matter!
>Stock coolers don't matter!
>Security doesn't matter!
>Games don't always matter!
>Enterprise doesn't matter!
>Hyperthreading doesn't matter!
>VMware doesn't matter!
>MySQL doesn't matter!
>Unix doesn't matter!
>Linux doesn't matter!
>Waffer yields don't matter!
>Benchmarks after full patches don't matter!
>Asian markets don't matter!
>Own fabrics doens't matter!
>Chipset lithography doesn't matter!
>Cray doesn't matter!
>Cisco doesn't matter!
>HPE doesn't matter!
>AZURE doesn't matter!
>5nm doesn't matter!
>TDP doens't matter!
>10nm doesn't always matter!
>Cache doesn't matter!
>iGPU doesn't matter!
>PCIE 4.0 doesn't matter!
>Mindfactory doesn't matter!
>Custom Foundry Business doesn't matter!
>Stock voltage doesn't matter!
>Framerate doesn't matter!
>Amazon sales don't matter!
>Prime95 AVX doesn't matter!
>*NEW* Large corporations don't matter!
>*NEW* Your DATA doesn't matter!
>*NEW* Context switch duration doesn't matter!
>*NEW* 202x market outlooks don't matter!
>*NEW* VRM doesn't matter!
>*NEW* Bitrate doesn't matter!
>*NEW* Single core performance doesn't always matter!
>*NEW* World records don't matter!

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>> No.71687894

Leard to read faggot.
>What do you need more than 8 threads for?
Christ, these AMD shills are out in full force.

>> No.71687903

>cherry picked benchmark

>> No.71687931
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>why would you buy the more powerful cpu with double the threads for a far lower price?

this is how pathetic you sound

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9900k still btfos poorzen
stay mad

>> No.71687965


For the simple reason of future proofing.
With the consoles now sporting the new Ryzen lineup, it's inevitable that we're going to be seeing increasingly heavier focus on multithreaded optimization in games in the coming years.
Get the CPU with few more cores and you'll be good for way longer.

>> No.71687967

>still can't list any reasons other than 'le gaming to buy a CPU with more threads
>might as well buy the CPU with the better per-core performance as it would actually benefit than more threads
Enjoy streaming Fortnite kiddo

>> No.71687978

>Cope more intelpajeet. Still yet to give me any reasons other than game. I guess this is why AMD still wins and only tech illiterate poor fags buy kiketel.

>> No.71687983

>performance doesn't matter
1.6 FPS

>> No.71687991

>might as well buy the CPU with the better per-core performance
exactly, ryzen.
and for much cheaper, too

You sound desperate

>> No.71687996

>might as well buy the CPU with the better per-core performance as it would actually benefit than more threads
So... still the ryzen then? Kek

>> No.71687999

Creative response, low IQ pajeet
>cherry picked benchmark
>no details given about test systems
>8 core vs 12 core

>> No.71688007

Bizarro, I...

>> No.71688009

>top tier intel cpu barely defeats mid-tier zen

>> No.71688013

>implying we know any performance stats outside of AMD's playground
kKep sucking on Lisa's giant clit

>> No.71688017

Cope harder rajesh

>> No.71688026

>still can't give reasons to buy poozen
It's been 14 posts now? AMD BTFO

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>> No.71688035

This caused me stage 4 brain cancer

>> No.71688043

price/performance is through the roof
performance/watt is good

>> No.71688054

>being poor
>caring about power consumption
If you really cared, you'd be running at 1v

>> No.71688072

that's not the problem
I just don't like a company lying to me about power consumption and what kind of cooling solution or motherboard I might need
absolute performance is only relevant to those with more than enough money
otherwise the only metrics that matter are price/performance and performance/watt

>> No.71688144

anon, I dont.... unless its steins;gate?

>> No.71688159

okay anon, I found it, I just didnt recognize the character. I just thought it was well drawn.

>> No.71688182
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Yeah I don't know man...

>> No.71688192

you're awake!
I hope you have a nice day posting the same picture again and again
much love

>> No.71688193

Kek, all you can do to counter actual posted facts is some lame ad hominem.
I love it.

>> No.71688200

wakey wakey shill

>> No.71688208

Maybe you should read the thread before posting?
Are you new?

>> No.71688212

>see PooMD thread
>post benchmark proving it's total shit
>took me 5 seconds total

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I think you're a actual shill and this is coming from a hardcore Intel fanboy.

>> No.71688221

don't reply with boring ad hominem unless you read the thread first and have actual arguments to previous posts

>> No.71688222

hardcore Intel fanboy.
How many shekels do you own

>> No.71688224

so many 5 second fragments in a day though
hope you make the most of it!

>> No.71688229

Benchmarks are all that matters. Your shit talk is completely meaningless.

>> No.71688232

All of them.
Honestly I'm glad AMD is doing well, I hope we will get progress with Intel in the 2020's like we did in the 2000's thanks to that.

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Please refer to:


Whoops, that's embarrassing.

>> No.71688251

he'll keep posting that one test with sketchy ram all day anon, he is an actual shill

>> No.71688252

Those little numbers on a screen won't matter once you're experiencing massive input lag due to AMD's cheap design.

>> No.71688263

Wtf? 90ms ram latency..lmao shit..

>> No.71688265

>no user benchmarks
It's like believing 9/11 happened

>> No.71688274

No, I entirely believe the high latency of Zen 2, it's nothing weird.
The thing is, it has no meaningful impact, the CPU itself, even in single core, equals with those of Intels highest end and outdoes it in multi core.

I've seen Zen+ machines with higher RAM latencies that had no input lag problems. Memory access in nanoseconds does not matter when you're playing games at 100+ FPS, maybe you'll convince a few retards who weren't going to buy a Ryzen 3000 CPU anyways, but anyone who'se not a retards knows that.

>> No.71688277

Ah fuck, I know what you mean
I hate the massive input lag I get on my AMD Ryzen system
I really with I had gone with a Genuine Intel Processor
Glad I have my essential oils to offset the input lag though

>> No.71688279

>bitrate doesn't matter

>> No.71688283

Just ignore the faggot, unless you're just playing around with him

Nice one kek

>> No.71688293

Noooo this cant be real Incel bros
at least we're still winning at being more expensive and more vulnerable therefore more elite and for those living on the edge

>> No.71688298

>Memory access in nanoseconds does not matter when you're playing games at 100+ FPS

So what you're saying is, the CPU accesses the memory just once and then it's over?

Because from what I understand, the CPU accesses the memory billions of times per second and those little nanoseconds add up to something significant that manifests itself through input lag.

I could be wrong, though.

>> No.71688304

>lets fine tune our benchmark to show Intel in a bad light
>8 core vs 12 core
>cherry picked 10mbps when streaming services use 6mbps
AMD misleading as usual.

>> No.71688311

Maybe if Intel wasn't so shit things would have been different.

>> No.71688313

>comparing nearly year old hardware to our new products

>> No.71688317

>similar wattage
>similar price
can you explain the problem for us non-retards?

>> No.71688318

Intel is shit.

>> No.71688333

>nearly year old
as if intel could launch a faster cpu in a few months?
14nm+++++++++++++++++ is completely maxed out housefire

>> No.71688334

8 Cores
12 Cores
It's like putting a car to race a horse. Pajeet.
AMD is shit.

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>> No.71688344

then why doesn't intlel slash prices of the 9900k since it's a "racehorse compared to a car"?

>> No.71688353

Lag caused by your monitor's input lag is so large compared to the CPU memory access latency that the memory access latency isnt even a rounding error. Besides, Zen2 will have a very large L3 cache which mostly mitigates the effect of slightly higher RAM latency (this is why the Intel 5775C was so good)

>> No.71688356

okay, so why is a six core part able to compete or outdo an intel 8-core?
why are you pretending price/performance and performance/watt are not a thing?

>> No.71688360

that's actually very good for being on buggy BIOS and at stock for the weakest r5

>> No.71688361

because their customers are cattle looking for horse to be bred by

>> No.71688365

>still faster than poozen

>> No.71688368

>price/performance and performance/watt
because we're not poor?
if u care about those ur poor

>> No.71688369

>on par with 5 year old intel
>that's actually very good


>> No.71688370

if you don't post the memory latency picture enough will you die?

>> No.71688371

Seethe more shitkike.

>> No.71688375

Cache doesn't do shit in video games and to be fair it doesn't do shit in productivity applications either because most productivity is interactive. You need low memory latency which your shit-tier poo processor doesn't have.

>> No.71688376

Check the posts in this thread retard. Literally another tech illiterate kiketel shill like you posted 2700x results with "muh latency" all those nanoseconds racked up to around .5 microsecond in total for the benchmark. Even then, thats completely different from "input lag". Stop memeing about shit you don't understand.

>> No.71688378

those metrics are still important for expensive parts though
how are you so bad at this?

>> No.71688380

Protip: lag and latency are synonyms

>> No.71688385

oh shit, you're literally tech-illiterate?

>> No.71688387

im gay

>> No.71688391

>are still important
only for amdpoors in india

>> No.71688393

And yet your kiketel chips are stutterboxes while ryzen provides stable, contant and smooth performance. Yikes!

>> No.71688399

protip: learn what the fuck people are talking about, you absolute favelamonkey

>> No.71688400

I have never posted it mate.
>seething AMDrone

>> No.71688405

>play Battlefield 5
>there's always one mong in ALL chat complaining about how badly the game is optimized
>ask him what CPU he has
>without fail: Ryzen

>> No.71688418

>playing games with friends
>complain about random stuttering
>ask them what they're running
>don't believe
>running single channel
>other person running 2133mhz

>> No.71688427

8700k owner here. Great to see Ryzen has caught up and for a good price. Will likely be in my next build in a few years if they continue.

>> No.71688429

performance = ipc x clockspeed

you could run a chip with 90% slower clockspeeds and it would still perform better if it had 100% more IPC

intel shills didnt have any problem making fun of ryzen 1k and 2k ipc and now they forgot what ipc is
but muh 5ghz am i right

>> No.71688435

Intel fanboys are mentally ill

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>> No.71688442

ryzen will be dropped in 2 years mongol

>> No.71688446

>>play Battlefield 1
>>there's always one mong in ALL chat complaining about how badly the game is optimized
>>ask him what CPU he has
>>without fail: Intel

>> No.71688449

Who knows man. I upgrade every 3 years regardless.

>> No.71688456

Most likely cheap shitty indian tier Intel dual or quad core

>> No.71688457

Look retard, the average IPS screen has 5ms latency. Maybe 2ms if you want muh 240Hz TN screens. 1 millisecond = 1 million nanoseconds. So, the average input lag caused by your monitor is around 2 million to 5 million nanoseconds.

Difference between Intel and Zen2 is like, 20ns. That's around 1/100000 of the input lag of your monitor. Now, most code that your CPU executes is cached because it is used by the OS. Mind you, most game binaries are below 100MB and therefore they'll mostly fit in Zen2's L3 cache too.

The CPU WILL NOT poll the RAM 100k times a second because once it reads it, it can 1. read a contiguous block without further latency 2. execute billions of instructions based on what it reads off

It will be impossible to perceive this. Go and suck Intel's cock though, I don't care. It's natural selection after all.

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how are there benchmarks when rhe processors havent even been released yet

>> No.71688481

Some people don't give a shit about embargo

>> No.71688483

review copies have been out for a while genius

>> No.71688493

>they were not shipped literally weeks ago to some south asian shithole

>> No.71688503
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God, I'm a Intel fag and even I think you're actually retarded.

>> No.71688507

Oh wow so the CPU accesses the memory just once and then stores the memory in sort of magical realm that's outside of the laws of physics? That's pretty cool.

>> No.71688514
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>intel's best gaymen cpu gets destroyed in CSGO and PUBG

>> No.71688526

>trusting AYMMMD's own misleading benches
>comparing to not OC 9900k @5.4ghz
>poozen using 4000mhz ram
>1000$ mobo

dream on poorjet

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Intel is pozzed housefire garbage.

>> No.71688549

holy shit your're'r are right

>> No.71688566

>double the price
>barely beats it

>> No.71688572

Everyone on the planet is going to buy Zen2 while Intel gets more pozzed and housefired kek

>> No.71688577

I know almost nothing about CPUs but dor that price I would go with ayymd.

>> No.71688586

>AMD is both the value and premium brand now

>> No.71688587

>not OC 9900k @5.4ghz
>ayymd 4k ram
>1k bux mobo
The absolute state of delusional intcelturds

>> No.71688593


>> No.71688605

El chupacabra uma delicia

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>> No.71688681

Huh, can't find 3600X anymore hmmmmmm


>> No.71688697

Nvm it's a bit under the specs and price


>> No.71688760

I don't understand why is 3600X clocked to low at 3.9 when AMD says on their site it can reach 4.4GHz

>> No.71688779

Bc Aymd lies as usual..

>> No.71688804

More like retarded faggots sandbag the 3600X.

>> No.71688817

>every tech site, every expert on the planet, even AMD themselves admit that memory latency is what prevents them from competing with intel
>"m-muh cache"

>> No.71688833

>prevents them from competing with intel
jesus christ intel fanboys are so pathetic

>> No.71688846

Just wait for zen2+ for it not to be a lagfest bros

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>amd's own cherry picked benchmarks have them lose to a cheaper intel

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I wouldn't buy Intel pozzed housefire garbage even if it was infinitely better for just $1.

>> No.71688865

why can't we all just chill the fuck out and wait for actual public benchmarks rather than spamming potentially untrustworthy stuff

>> No.71688868

I don't know, why can't Intel stop being pozzed shit?

>> No.71688878


>> No.71688885

whats your problem retard? I have 2 AMD builds and 1 Intel build and theyre all great.
I assume >>71688856 is also you and that post goes against everything most AMD users stand for, good price:performance. If you're going to bait like a retard then do it properly.

>> No.71688886

More 360p, the true intel experience.

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Can't wait for actual benchmarks showing the 9900k destroying all poozens in all games by the usual 30-50 fps

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>spend a shitton of money for a pozzed cpu
>software to overclock your house fires because muh 5niggahz
>"it's 20$ if you want a warranty over our own software"

>> No.71688899

incel literally released out of box 5.1 9900kfc so that they can be still competitive in gaymur benchmarks

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Wait for Intel 10 cores diseased globalfire lake for $800 AMD btfo

>> No.71688925

Anything over 240p is highly antisemitic

>> No.71688926

240p? What do you need 144p for?

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>it actually performs worse than stock

>> No.71688940

You know Intel will just come back with an even more pozzed uarch to beat Ryzen. Throw more speed holes cuz Intel fanboys are braindead monkeys anyway.

>> No.71688955

cache/data locality principle are not magic, you absolute dipshit

>> No.71688956


>> No.71688990

Perfect time for Cyrix to strike back.

>> No.71688996

Imagine being a fanboy of such a shitty company with garbage products

>> No.71689007

Come on bruh. What's the character

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>> No.71689051

This is gonna be gud

>> No.71689083

I wish

>> No.71689095

>+1% performance gain on ancient cpu you can get $150 second hand

btfo lol

>> No.71689104

Don't worry he was just pretending to be retarded (or so he thinks)

>> No.71689115

>q4 2018 is ancient
Literally less than a year old, dumb inteljeet.

>> No.71689128

uma delid cia

>> No.71689156

>9700k for $150
Prove it right now you fucking kike. Post a link if you can. You're nothing but a liar and a faggot.

>> No.71689188

16gb of 3200mhz ram is like £70, roughly $88.
You can get a mobo for like £60, about $78.
So you can get a ryzen 5 3600x 16gb 3200mhz corsair vengeance lpx, and a mobo for less than 9900k...

>> No.71689264

what are you, poor? lmao

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I bought a dozen of these and resold most to idiots like you lmao.

>> No.71689309

No, i'm smart

>> No.71689312

>You can get a mobo for like £60, about $78.

Enjoy your high latency bruh

>> No.71689315

The cheapest i7 9700k cpus here are 380 dollars

>> No.71689321

Sure you did you underage autist. Go ahead. Tell me about the 6gorilliom fidget spinners you bought from chink market to sell as well.

>> No.71689329

>you need an expensive motherboard otherwise you will have high latency
t. Incel shill

>> No.71689342

>hey guis look at this new word I just learned!

>> No.71689501

Lmao imagine having to compare “value” and “speeds” of cpus because your to poor to outright buy the best thing on the market.

>> No.71689521

Yeah, poor people waste so much time trying to balance their money instead of making more money lol.

>> No.71689528

If you're poor just buy more money

>> No.71689594

So true
When the dems win we all can kiss goodbye to our student loan debts so now is the time to spend!

>> No.71689635

5nm zen in 2021 wew

>> No.71689658

cant wait for 3nm zen in 2023

>> No.71689670

>not waiting for 1 atom die in 2025

>> No.71689697

Singularity CPUs 2030

>> No.71689708

>using super-atomic CPUs

>> No.71690053

>Buying X570 for a 3600X
Sure bud.

>> No.71690189

This, why do people buy these motherboards for a fucking hexa core CPU, b450 is enough

>> No.71690230

So basically their Intards

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We're not shilling hard enough Intelbros...

>> No.71690552

>96% more expensive
>For 6% more performance

Sign me up

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Def one factor in my thoughts about what CPU to get. Then again last time with an i5 2500k, intel shipped this piece of shit I had to deal with.

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>> No.71690666

Will be getting 5ghz+ on my 3900x, going for 24/7 subzero. Going down to like -70c is gonna be really fucking nice

>> No.71690770

Good goy

>> No.71690872

Ohkura Kazuya

And no, that isnt the character name.

>> No.71690876

Confirmed 4.75GHz possible on AMD PBO video

>> No.71691191

oy vey

>> No.71691345
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>AMD marketing is really misleading compared to Intel's.
>They should be like Intel who just blatantly lies

>> No.71691418

Oh no, it's retarded

>> No.71691602

I'm actually surprised that you managed to type this with the input lag from your shitty CPU.

>> No.71691627

When you factor in the crashes caused by the high memory latency, 31% seems very conservative.

>> No.71691652

Nono he's just pretending to be retarded (or so he thinks kek)

>> No.71691715

but i have a b350 mobo
ill just switch

>> No.71692017

Which b350 mobo though

>> No.71692688

Can't wait for 128 core 5nm Theradripper :-)

>> No.71692720

>here's 15% off to buy a cooler with

>> No.71693058


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>> No.71693108

Please don't

>> No.71693140

>price/performance doesn't matter
Will Incels ever learn ?

>> No.71693297


>> No.71693311

>1 benchmark
AMaDs are not even trying anymore. It's another Intel year.

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>AMaDs are not even trying anymore. It's another Intel year.

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Cope more AMaD. This is what you're best at.

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>Cope more AMaD. This is what you're best at.

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