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Hi /g/. I haven't been here in a while. But I remember the last time I was lurking there were lots of threads with concerns and fear about 5G being rolled out across the globe and in space. Claims are made about the technology being proven to cause cancer and other physiological problems.

Today a anti-5G protester stopped me as I was walking through town, and we spoke for a few minutes about it. I was given this leaflet.

My question to you is - what is the consensus on 5G now, and if it is indeed dangerous what do you suggest I do to protect myself and help stop the ongoing rollout?

>> No.71646848

>I went outside today

get out here you filthy normie

>> No.71646867

I had to leave the den, sadly. Because I needed to deliver something.

>> No.71647002

>what is the consensus on 5G now
That is it safe.

>> No.71647202

There's no reason to be any more worried about 5G than any other broadcasting going on out there. I don't understand why someone would be exclusively concerned about 5G. There's some schizos around fixating on it, particularly on /g/ and /sci/. It's literally Infowars-tier, I've heard Alex Jones mention it a few times before.

>> No.71647224

facebook tier conspiracy bullshit
it's the new fluoride

>> No.71647238

people are scared because it hasn't been proven "absolutely safe". Microwaves, Wi-Fi, 2G, 3G, radio waves, ... none of them have ever been proven "absolutely safe" but the current societal meta is that everything is a deadly conspiracy. But their understanding is so limited and they could not bear the thought that what they're fighting against is in fact exactly the same thing they've been using their whole life.

>> No.71647424

The problem is that people want a level of certainty in things that science doesn't like to give. Science doesn't tell you 'X is safe', science tells you 'X has not been shown to be dangerous', which isn't enough for some people despite it being essentially the only standard you can really ask for.

>> No.71647485

There's 3 anti-5G groups, conspiracy theorists, NIMBYS, and RU state media.

Conspiracy theorists are paranoid and think everyone's out to get them, and generally go ignored. RT News however has platformed the conspiracy and legitimized it. This scares NIMBYS who then block 5G antenna zoning. (This is unlawful, but it takes time for the FCC to move on the matters)

>> No.71648197

5G schizoposters are mostly facebook football moms who like to read only the most shocking headtitles. There is of course some kind of risk that comes with every new technology, but I dont think that mmW will be our "total doom", people who belive that 5G will be like microwave oven should take their meds and read some actual studies and information

>> No.71648215

it will absolutely kill you and your children. As did 4G, and 3G before that, and 2G before that, and...

>> No.71649109

So are phones already having 5g capabilities or do I need to wait for the next Gen badge for replacing my old one

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t. telecoms shill on a proxy
explain the NTP study oh wait you cant

>> No.71649577

Hey anon, I haven't seen you in a few days. How is work going?

>> No.71649586

Have you given any thought to my question from the other day anon?

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5G and all microwave radiation is absolutely toxic to all biology on this planet. Read a book called "Going Somewhere" by Andrew A. Marino.

All the science shows that there are harmful effects caused by microwave radiation, but the telecoms industry selectively edits out results or intentionally sets up studies so the disease caused by microwave radiation wont be seen, for example, in one industry funded study they put large rats in tiny cages, making the stress response from radiation invisible.

the recent NTP study is a huge blow to telecoms trannies which is why they try to distract, deflect and obfuscate at every turn, even dumping scat porn when the threads dont go their way.

>> No.71649611 [DELETED] 

why are you powerless to stop the avalanche I am causing?

>> No.71649637

Do you frequently feel that your actions have major effects on the world anon?

>> No.71649649

>However, the NTP’s work, which has been widely publicised, has created a media storm, largely as a result of ambiguous communication. The NTP suggests, on its website and in its communications, that this work was aimed at studying the risk of mobile telephony at the request of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which is the authoritative public health authority in the USA and arbiter of the appropriateness of public exposure thresholds. It clarified that the exposures were not comparable with the use of a mobile phone [9], then explained that it had not studied Wifi and 5G, which would be the subject of future work.

>For its part, the FDA indicated [10] as early as November 1st that it agreed that these results cannot be extrapolated to mobile phone use, but that it “disagreed with the conclusions of their final report regarding the “clear evidence” of carcinogenic activity in rodents,” pointing to weaknesses in the study. It also states that “we must remember the study was not designed to test the safety of cell phone use in humans, so we cannot draw conclusions about the risks of cell phone use from it. We also must thoroughly evaluate and take into consideration the totality of the data, and do so within the context of the complete body of evidence rather than drawing conclusions from the results of a single study.”

>> No.71649689

>if it is indeed dangerous what do you suggest I do to protect myself and help stop the ongoing rollout?
Microwave radiation is dangerous and 5G did not change that and it's also not all that different from existing microwave radiation sources. And guess what, if you have a cellphone or a laptop and you use WIFI you're exposing yourself and your family to microwave radiation.

The good news is that you can reduce the amount of microwave radiation in your home by simply not having a cellphone and not having a Wifi router. The bad news is that 5G will be placed on things like street lamps and next to people's homes. And that's bad. However, it is totally laughable that most of those protesting 5G have a callphone and a wifi router.

Fluoride's a known deadly toxin and it's dangers have been known for centuries, not just decades. I know it's hard for American's to understand that a toxin is bad for you since that toxin is in US water-supplies. However, you may want to really think about this simple question: Why is the US dumbing people down by poisoning the population with fluoride when the rest of the world is not? Why does EU require makers of toothpaste with fluoride to label it "Dangerous, do not swallow. Keep away from children"?

>> No.71649695 [DELETED] 

answer the question

>the exposures were not comparable with the use of a mobile phone
This statement misrepresents risk to the brain from the whole-body exposures used in the NTP study. While the exposure limit to RF radiation in the US is 0.08 W/kg averaged over the whole body, the localized exposure limit is 1.6 W/kg averaged over any one gram of tissue. Body tissues located nearest to the cell phone antenna receive much higher exposures than tissues located distant from the antenna. Thus, when an individual uses a cell phone and holds it next to his or her head, exposure to the brain will be much higher than exposures averaged over the whole body. When considering organ-specific risk (e.g., risk to the brain) from cell phone RF, the important measure of exposure is the SAR value of 1.6 W/kg averaged over any gram of tissue. In the NTP study in which animals were exposed to whole-body RF at SARs of 1.5, 3, and 6.0 W/kg, exposures in the brain were within 10% of the whole-body exposure levels. Therefore, in the NTP study, exposure intensities in the brain of rats were similar to or only slightly higher than localized human exposures from cell phones held next to the head.

>omitting that it only used OLD 2G/3G signal modulation
The amount of modulation of a signal is just as much of a factor in biological effect, if not more. 5G signals will be absolutely hyper-modulated, as well as heavily densified.

>we must look at industry funded studies and nothing else says the industry

>> No.71649750

Any random blog that agrees and amplifies the NTP study is true any honest information. Any criticism of the NTP study is evil telecom shills working on depopulating the planet via spooky waves.
There I saved you guys 20 posts of arguing with anon.

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based and war-gaming the 4Chans pilled

>> No.71649870

>industry funded studies
It's kind of telling that if you look at the overall results for microwave radiation studies you get a figure like 60% not dangerous and 40% dangerous. Then you look closer and it's 100% safe in industry-funded studies and 100% dangerous is independently-funded and the ratio between industry-funded and independently-funded's 60/40.

The most interesting thing to do - if any of you want to actually learn something - is to look at the microwave radiation studies done in the 1970s and the early 1980s. The concern then wasn't "it is dangerous", it was "how can we apply it's harmful effects in weapons". And there was no cell phone industry to provide counter-studies claiming microwave radiation was super safe back then.

>muh NTP study
never read it, don't care. The nature of microwave radiation hasn't changed the last 20 years.

>> No.71649892 [DELETED] 

the military didnt have a vested interest in immersing all biological life in microwaves back then though.

>> No.71649930

/g/ is scared of all new technology unless is starts with "i".

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Something, something, angry anon rant.

>> No.71650126 [DELETED] 

this confirms 5G is safe and we should irradiate infants with 200 antennas per square meter

>> No.71650274 [DELETED] 

>5G industrycel trannies already coping to the max

>> No.71650315

Some countries already have 5G. Just let them running for a while and see if their population is dying of cancer. Why use studies on samples when you have the real deal on entire populations.

>> No.71650721

Israel, one of the highest IQ countries in the world, flouridates its water.

If da joos are using flouride as a way to brainwash the goyim, why do they drink it themselves?

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>Israel, one of the highest IQ countries in the world

>> No.71652463

>9. north korea 102

you'd think a significant portion of your peoples starving would lower that average

>> No.71652520

Get your education from web comics, that is really smart

>> No.71652617

I've always found that number to be interesting since it indicates that starvation =-4 IQ on average (people in South Korea and North Korea have almost identical genes yet there's a 4 point difference).

>> No.71652620

Fluoride get’s stuck in parts of your brain. It mineralizes. I know you are a worthless neet with no knowledge of biology whatsoever so let me explain.
Fluorine is an element that has literally no use in living organisms. It’s true that a lot of retards on the opposite spectrum as yours have made fluoride into a conspiracy but there is still no reason for the goverment to forcefully make everyone drink it. Unless you are a slob with no oral hygiene.

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>> No.71652640

Correlation does not equal causation.
You are implying IQ is only defined by genes and wether you starve or not.
Boy this thread is full of retards.

>> No.71652651

I preform waveform analysis for a living and while I cant speak for millimeter wave as its somewhat new to my industry I can say is that electromagnetic waves contain a lot more energy than many people realize and I wouldn't be surprised if they affect our health in some negative way especially as prevalent as these waves are in our lives not just from cell towers but other sources as well such as bluetooth, radars and satellites.

>> No.71652677

Enjoy your brain cancer shill.

>> No.71652689 [DELETED] 

imagine someone wrote this pastebin

>> No.71652697

>I can say is that electromagnetic waves contain a lot more energy than many people realize
Which is easily calculated from a simple formula which has been used for more than a century

>> No.71652707


KEK ;^)

>> No.71652742

it's extremely dangerous, the jews who are gang-stalking me and hiding the truth about the real shape of the earth are behind it. Stay woke and always wear your anti-HAARP headgear

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Why are you shilling so hard?
If you have a bias then either provide evidence to your argument or go away.

>> No.71652777 [DELETED] 

it's extremely safe, the anonymouses who are gang-stalking the telecoms industry and hiding the truth about the benefits of microwaving my endocrine system and ingesting estrogen are behind it. Stay woke and always wear your Mossad dilation station access card.

>> No.71652799

Schizo trips

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>Why are you shilling so hard?

>> No.71652865

>telecoms trannies
You people live in some parallel bizarro world I swear. No boomer telecom company is interested on anything /g/ has to say.

>> No.71652883

/g/ is literally the center of the world
why are you liberals so out of touch?

>> No.71652902

that's exactly what a chemtrail-loving big pharma jewish telecom tranny would say

>> No.71652909 [DELETED] 

vote hilldawg my fellow 4Channarians

>> No.71652931

you got us

>> No.71652944 [DELETED] 

dump scat now, dilation in 30 mins

>> No.71652971
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Richard Lynn is full of shit and all those IQ charts like this map always posted on /pol/ are bullshit.

He uses Raven Progressive Matrices results, some very old. For most countries with no data he simply invents the numbers based on "their neighbour's average", for others he bases the number on a single school result, he cherrypicks the data and dismisses those results that didn't fit with his "IQ creates wealth" retarded racist theory.

>The methodology of their research has been heavily criticized for not having consistent measures of IQ across countries and for the way estimates were generated. For example, the average IQ of countries without data is reported as the average of neighboring or comparable countries. In addition to this, the way in which samples were either included or excluded in their analysis is unsystematic, potentially biasing their results.

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This thread is now saved.

No need to thank me.

>> No.71653041

Excellent argument. And that graph of yours, undisputable evidence.

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Here’s what I’ve calculated.
UV light’s frequency is very close to overlapping with 5G’s highest frequency.

UV light has been proven to cause cancer, but we still haven’t been able to conclude anything on 5G.
All you shills (from both sides) only have baseless arguments.

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shills warrant no counter arguments

>> No.71653099

>le both sides are equally bad
top reddit

>> No.71653116

Arguments warrant counter arguments. Unless you are a shill of course.
I gave arguments, you did not.
Also nice avatarfagging

>> No.71653132

top /pol/

>> No.71653141

I only said no side has strong evidence. And you are proving my point by crying muh reddit.

>> No.71653220

congratulation, you can study in the MIT without problems....

>> No.71653242

Catchphrases and one liners are not arguments.

>> No.71653283

Boy half the people in this thread have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Radio/microwaves are non-ionizing, they can only excite molecules and generate heat, they can't in any way cause DNA damage. they don't possess enough energy to strip electrons from atoms. If it can't damage DNA then it can't be classified as carcinogenic. All research on this topic is funded completely by people on either side of the fence so you'll never find an unbiased study.

>> No.71653350

UV is also non-ionizing. Fuck off with your red herrings.

>All research on this topic is funded completely by people on either side of the fence so you'll never find an unbiased study.
Correct, and there's no point in arguing about the topic either because it's a point of faith for both parties.

>> No.71653358 [DELETED] 

>Radio/microwaves are non-ionizing, they can only excite molecules and generate heat, they can't in any way cause DNA damage.

this myth has been thoroughly debunked by the NTP study and also tens of thousands of other studies that telecoms trannies dont want you to know about


>> No.71653360

What you say is true. But as with everything there are nuances. 5G is just on the verge of UV light, which is ionizing.
Also heat can damage DNA.

>> No.71653373

UV has been proven to cause cancer. How can it possibly not be ionizing?

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>What you say is true
no, it is objectively and scientifically incorrect.

>> No.71653394

UV is ionizing you fucking retard.


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>> No.71653411

>This myth has been debunked by one study
>all other decades of thoroughly backed research? Nah, forget about it. The NTP study is law.


>> No.71653417 [DELETED] 

>telecoms tranny humiliates itself for me with its own posts

read a few more words dipshit

>> No.71653421

>Ad hominem

Huh, really makes me think.

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have insurance

>> No.71653431

Probably because they don't exist.

>> No.71653440 [DELETED] 

if they dont exist why not insure just in case

>> No.71653444

upper ultraviolet is ionizing, but lower ultraviolet (i.e. the bands we actually ever encounter) is not

still causes harmful (and beneficial) photochemical reactions though

>> No.71653460

That doesn't prove your point though, seeing as the most common forms of UV we encounter, whether it be from tanning beds or from the sun on a hot summer day, is upper ultraviolet which IS ionizing.

>> No.71653494 [DELETED] 

Ultraviolet C or (UVC) range, which spans a range of 100 to 280 nm. The term ultraviolet refers to the fact that the radiation is at higher frequency than violet light (and, hence, also invisible to the human eye). Ultra means beyond. Due to absorption by the atmosphere very little reaches Earth's surface

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ostensibly you don't know what you're talking about

everyday UV is not ionizing; every interesting effect from the UV we encounter every day is due to photochemistry

>> No.71653550

>5G is just on the verge of UV light
No it isn't you utter utter retard.
Go play with your iToys instead of trying to discuss technology.

>> No.71653612

Before I start, I'd like to point out that the CDC, FDA, FCC, and National Cancer Institute all agree that there is not enough scientific evidence to support the claim that 5G poses a threat to human health. These posts are going to be length but I'll do my best to put everything in layman's terms and hopefully some of you will leave here with a better understanding of how radiation works and be able to formulate your own opinions on the matter from an informed perspective. As for my credentials, I'm a student in the free radical and radiation biology graduate program at the University of Iowa. Let's look a little bit at what radiation is and the difference between ionizing and non-ionizing radiation. Radiation is just a form of energy, but it comes in different strengths. You've got low energy radiowaves on one end of the spectrum and super high energy gamma waves on the other. Even visible light is radiation. Understanding the effects of radiation at different energy levels is key when thinking about risk. The wavelengths of radiation can differ, it's these differing wavelengths that determine how high energy the radiation is. The shorter the waveform the higher the energy. Another way to describe radiation is by using hertz, a unit of frequency which tells you how many oscillations in the waveform happen per second. For example, 3G and 4G radiation is around 1 to 2 billion hertz or 1 to 2 gigahertz. 5g moves up in the spectrum, using frequencies from 1 GHz all the way up to 70 GHz. If you were exposed to enough of any of these frequencies it would affect your body by heating it.

>> No.71653665

>These posts are going to be length

Please don't.

Nobody wants to read your crap here.
Try Reddit instead.

>> No.71653682

That's how a microwave oven works, and why there are limits on how powerful cell phone radiation can be. At the levels that are used for example, on wireless communications that are used for transmitting AM and FM radio or 5G technology, the amount of RF energy that's being transmitted is very, very low and would need to be thousands of times greater to even be felt by the body as a heat source, much less cause any particular harm to the body. But there's a certain point at which radiation has enough energy to do more than that. And actually makes changes to the atoms in your body. If it reaches that point it becomes ionizing, which means it has enough energy to knock electrons out of atoms and do things like give you cancer and damage your DNA. This process is also the reason why radiation therapy can be used to treat cancer, by beaming Ionizing radiation at cancer cells and damaging the DNA of the cells in question. If I, for example took in enough example to raise the temperature of a cup of coffee by 1 degree, and I took it in the form of ionizing radiation; I would be dead within around a half hour of acute radiation sickness. But if I took that same amount in the form of non-ionizing radiation my body would easily dispel or normalize that heat because it wouldn't produce any permanent damage. It would just be in the form of thermal energy which my body can adapt to. There's a point where radiation switches from non-ionizing to ionizing. And the question being raised in this debate in particular is "how close are we getting to that with 5g?" The answer it turns out is not very close at all. Which 70 GHz is certainly higher than 2, radiation isn't ionizing until about 2.4 million GHz.

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>Just dont look at the NTP study and everything is fine

>> No.71653793

If it's true anon, there answer me this: where are all the brain cancers? Where are all the Gliomas? Every day I look at study after study of cancer rates and the incidence of brain cancers since the induction of wireless technology cell phones and there are no significant changes in the rate incidence.



>> No.71653797

Why is this schizo so fixated on a single study? You can find a single study to support almost any conclusion, that's why people tend to look for a body of evidence to support claims. Picking and choosing doesn't prove anything.

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>> No.71653824

Oops forgot one


>> No.71653840

Can you link me to the actual study instead of just posting a graph with no link for further reading?

>> No.71653852

You're European, you're lucky. You guys have an easier time protesting. I would gather up people and protest against 5G, if I were you.

>> No.71653867 [DELETED] 

bioinitiative.org is the greatest resource on this topic


>> No.71653870

>more than 10,000 peer review shadda shadda
>none targeting specifically 5G
>also causing diabetes
LMAO are /g/uys afraid of the bogeyman? Look mang, everyone on the West is gonna tell you 5G is going to rape you, along with your family, your friends, your dog and your soul.
There's nothing to be afraid of about 5G since having a cellular tower near you, a phone in your pants, wifi and microwave at home isn't already fucking over, They're just exceedingly mad they didn't invent it and now this breaks into them loosing two things

1) West's tech superiority (all 5G equipment is supplied by china, say hello to our new Han overlords)
2) The ability to spy on everyone

The whole 5G stuff isn't about the tech.

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>microwave yourselves even more goy, we'll wait 5 years

>> No.71653888

>we're already microwaving kike
>we just pick a better oven

>> No.71654017

>Big Science has an agenda it's trying to push
>Unlike peer reviewed journals, this site that doesn't even name the people running it has no bias, agendas or ulterior motives
They don't even cite sources in their 'accolades' section for fuck's sake. They're making up their own complements.

>> No.71654060 [DELETED] 

>official government data is not a source
try reading gormless redditor insect

>> No.71654155

He's just shitposting my guy, just report, sage, ignore and move on. anyone who unironically believes 5g will make your head explode is an actual schizo, but this guy isn't one of them.

>> No.71654162 [DELETED] 

>replying to yourself
I accept your concession

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Okay retard.

>> No.71654220 [DELETED] 

wow inspect element, they teach you that one early in shill school?

>> No.71654234

Okay retard.

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Okay retard.

>> No.71654276 [DELETED] 

dump the scat now

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Okay retard.

>> No.71654299 [DELETED] 

here the tranny goes again

>> No.71654313

Okay retard.

>> No.71654881

wrong, they either believe there's a health risk or suspect there's a health risk. I'll ensure your home against martians attacking for as little as $100 pear year because there's, in my view, very little risk of martians attacking.

My guess is that Lloyd's is simply playing it safe by not insuring against unknown risks. They really don't like that. Remember, insurance companies spend lots of money buying statistics and all kinds of information. They probably know the number of cars being stolen per month in your neighborhood and base insurance prices off that. There's no way to make those calculations for 5G, the data ain't there.

>> No.71655399

It could also be that they don't want to open themselves up to a claim that could be very difficult to dispute legally, since if someone has brain cancer and claims 5G did it, that might be hard to disprove for legal purposes. Law and science rarely mix well.

>> No.71655952

Same people who have been paying lobbyists to keep gigabit out of consumers hands.

Same people who have been paying FCC to allow DSL as fair competition for a zone when broadband cable will be a monopoly for almost a whole state.

The same people who pay for protesters to egg others on and get a reaction.
They are paying losers to spout off about 5G on the net.
Can you blame the people getting paid? Nah. Remember that people do pron or eat shit for money.

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>fiber optic advocates warning about the mountains of evidence that microwave radiation is extremely harmful to all biology
>"same people who have been paying lobbyists to keep gigabit out of "consumers" hands

whatever happened to the term customer, shill? that's what outed you

>> No.71656006

5G is not and never has been dangerous. mmWave is not new and you've probably been exposed to plenty of it (hint: satellites use it).

>> No.71656027 [DELETED] 

>ignores the thread and restates his shill garbage in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary of his moronic claim

>> No.71656060

>mountains of evidence
>a handful of studies where subjects were blasted with stupid amounts of radiation
Guess what happens when you're exposed to a 1500w laser....

>> No.71656079 [DELETED] 

the recent NTP study used levels well below thermal exposure and found malignant heart and brain cancers

>> No.71656126

Someone on /pol/ posted it, I haven't got any time to check it out, but here you go

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBsUWbUB6PE [Embed]

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5GiFMJVl6Q [Embed]
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i-Ki5dFXdI [Embed]
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIxGjKuKOU8 [Embed]
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljLynbr5iPc [Embed]
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBbY8fvTidU [Embed]
>https://www.mediafire.com/folder/dj875cd10yb72/EMF - many documents




>> No.71656156
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Hang on a minute.

UV light is 10 to 400 nanometer.

5G is 30 to 300 GHz; or about 1 to 10mm.

How is that even close to overlapping? You've got the rest of microwave, infrared and visible light in between.

>> No.71656243

>recent NTP study
The only one I can find is from the 2000s, and it suggested limits for exposure to radio frequencies.

>> No.71656282 [DELETED] 

>the only one I can find
lol it was all over the news recently

>> No.71656321

This one?
>High Exposure to Radio Frequency Radiation Associated With Cancer in Male Rats
No shit high exposure is going to be a problem. Stick your head in a microwave and suddenly 2.4ghz is a serious problem.

>> No.71656349

Look up military crowd control. Operates on same frequency

>> No.71656415

Some bullshit at the top but sources they quote are legitimate.

>> No.71656479 [DELETED] 

>high exposure
>well below thermal levels
and the point exposure of specific vulnerable tissue was actually lower than real world examples, e.g holding a mobile phone to your head, and it was using much older signals with weaker modulation. modern modulation is more deadly than the power density. that old signals were shown to cause cancer at such low levels is enough to rollback all microwave tech.

>> No.71656480

Microwave oven frequencies overlap with wifi. You aren't getting cooked because wifi is limited to ~1w.

>> No.71656497

>and it was using much older signals with weaker modulation
This is one of the dumbest statements I've ever had the misfortune of reading. I hope you're trolling.

>> No.71656509

>I hope you're trolling.
I take it you've spent the past three weeks away from /g/ and never visited /sci/

>> No.71656518 [DELETED] 

sorry that you're not scientifically inclined on this topic.

read this page to learn more (sources at the bottom): http://wi-cancer.info/antenna_sickness.aspx

>> No.71656542 [DELETED] 

>In 2015, three renowned scientists cooperated to publish a paper which explains why the violently erratic wave radiation seen in the charts above is so catastrophic for humans, who generate their own natural electromagnetic wave forms for regulation of biological functions. Annotated with 103 medical citations, this report notes that all living organisms perceive Wi-radiation as a potent environmental stressor, for which evolution has provided no adequate defense. The authors reference copious medical evidence showing that it is the perpetual change in frequencies and pulse modulations which stress living cells the most. They say that modulated radiation used for wireless technologies is actually more biologically stressful than excessive heat, cold, starvation and toxic chemicals. Living cells produce heat-shock proteins within minutes of exposure to RF/microwave assault. Heat shock proteins cascade into free radical formation, followed by drastic DNA damage, which precedes the development of cancer.


>> No.71656555

Do you know what modulation is?

>> No.71656568 [DELETED] 

modern modulation usually a large number of frequencies in a given band or bands pulsing rapidly which induces a huge amount of stress in biological organisms

>> No.71656587

In other words, no, you have no fucking clue what modulation is....

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I'd recommend you have a look at OFDMA signal architecture to get to grips with how much cancer is packed into LTE+ signals

Do you consider this to be an adequate rebuttal?

>> No.71656630

Source for image?

>> No.71656642 [DELETED] 

Do you require a resource to learn about modern signal modulation from?

>> No.71656645

I require the source for the image, like I asked

>> No.71656648

I'm asking where the pic is from
Isn't me

>> No.71656655 [DELETED] 


>> No.71656662

I don't know who this poster is but it's not me
Do you not understand what a source is or what?

>> No.71656666

I'd recommend you stop citing beaners who are trying to sell books as sources.

>> No.71656669 [DELETED] 

If you require a resource to learn about modern signal modulation I will be happy to provide one. Just ask.

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What are you getting at?

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fucking wasted quads

>> No.71656678 [DELETED] 

I don't know who or what you're referring to. If you require a resource to learn the basics of modern signal modulation I can offer you one.

>> No.71656682

Did you make that graph yourself?

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>he posted an image of OFDMA signal modulation by some guy on twitter trannybros we finally got him

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I don't know what you think you're accomplishing by trying to claim ownership of a post I made after repeating the same things I said later, but go ahead. I don't really care.

>> No.71656717

Why even bother pretending you're not the same spammer if you're going to make the same posts in every thread?

>> No.71656725

fluoride isn't a toxin. it can be toxic in large enough doses, sure, so can anything

>> No.71656726 [DELETED] 

Can you provide a rebuttal for the objective, scientific reality that modern signal modulation induces massive biological damage to all life on the planet as outlined in the links I posted earlier?


Shut up and kill yourself.

>> No.71656733

If you weren't trying to fuck around you would have posted proof before I did

>> No.71656751

Here's my rebuttal
Pastebin for character limit https://pastebin.com/y6nFQu3f

>> No.71656752

Okay sure, I really don't care man. You can have my post. It's yours now.

>> No.71656763 [DELETED] 

One of many concessions you've made in these various threads

>> No.71656764

I was expecting a poor quality shitpost but that was actually a pretty convincing rebuttal.

5G confirmed safe for all time

>> No.71656785

> 156 posts
> 39 posters
fucking pathetic. Will you hyper autists at least sage so we can maintain the illusion that /g/ is not filled with a bunch of fakebook-tier conspiratards?


>> No.71656792 [DELETED] 

>switched IPs just for this
desperate shill is desperate

>> No.71656798

>people in a thread post 4 times on average
>it's all conspiracy! people are only allowed to post once in a thread! no discussion can take place!

>> No.71656882

>a anti-5G protester
euthanasia candidate

>> No.71656914

> didn't sage his shitpost in a shitpost thread
No u.

>> No.71656928

You pulled an image from twitter that in no way explains modulation. Why am I even surprised, most of /g/ hasn't taken so much as a physics course let alone one for signals.

>> No.71656949

I'd say where the people who have hang out but I'd rather not flood it with /g/ posters
-t. EE

>> No.71657046

I do not know what form of modulation you are talking about.
I am by no means an expert on the topic, in EE I recall modulation is essentially the process of combing multiple signals into one.
De-modulation is the process of breaking up the signal into multiple signals.
Usually for this process you have a carrier wave and other signals hitch a ride on it. Afterwards, the desired signal can be split from this wave.
Think of the carrier wave as a multi-lane highway and the cars in it as the signals being broadcasted.

If you have used radio you would have encountered two forms of modulation. Amplitude modulation (AM) and frequency modulation (FM).
The former combines and splits the desired signal using the amplitude of the signal.
The latter combines and splits the signal based on frequency.
Frequency modulation is what is used predominantly nowadays since you can obtain a much better signal to noise ratio since digital electronics can be used to process the signal.

Finally the application of Amplitude and Frequency modulation is not limited to radio/electro-magnetic emissions, you could apply this on any signal be it sound waves (pressure fluctuations in a medium such as air) or even simply as data processed inside a computer.

>> No.71657135

sage? fuck off and die boomer faggot

>> No.71657645

Ionizing radiation cause cancer

>> No.71658199

>Also heat can damage DNA.
you have to get to denaturing heat levels to do anything like that

>> No.71658225

It's not dangerous. It has problems, like interfering with weather satellites, requiring loads of towers everywhere (ugly), the chips being extremely hard to make so only a couple companies can actually provide 5G support, and so on.
There's plenty wrong with it, but health is not one of them.

>> No.71658411

5G is literally closer to infrared than UV. How can you get this stupid?

>> No.71658558

Fluorine has no effects because it doesnt exist in nature, in nature it instantly turns to fluoride, the average human has no reaction to something that practically doesn't exist. This is why fluorine compounds are used in certain medical and scientific procedures.

>> No.71658567

Reminder that 3G causes autism, homosexuality, transsexuality, and inceldom

>> No.71658670

>You can find a single study to support almost any conclusion
If you understand what you're reading - no.

>> No.71660060

If 5G can give you cancer and shit, can 6G give you superAIDS and a bad case of Gout?

>> No.71660564

>what is the consensus on 5G now
That it is being rolled out without prior long-term health testing and there's nothing we can do about it but go outside and disable the transmitter they install outside your house

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>kike mods deleted all the posts with info
makes you think

>> No.71660647

In practice, modulation is a series or band of frequencies rapidly pulsing. This is highly deadly to biology.

Biophysics is above your paygrade.

>> No.71660655

>it's non-ionizing radiation. the only negative effect is heating

why do you keep posting this tripe? over and over and over, like a robot. NPC.

>> No.71660759

You, Ivan, for the virtue of being a Russian, genuinely believe (you all are believing rather than knowing degenerates) that bullshitting, cheating and bullying is the way to go, because you have never seen any better in your fucking social shithole, so you are projecting these major social forces to the whole civilized world, about which you literally have no idea.

See, Ivan, before they could market shit to you on anal porn sites which the likes of you are visiting daily, they have to develop the underlying tech. It cannot be, contrary to what you used to believe, be just pure baseless bullshitting. Platforms are running 24/7 reliable and rock-solid, so mere propaganda is not enough to support this.

I know, Ivan, it is hard to believe, but there are way smarter, exponentially smarter people from all around the globe who are studying in MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Caltech and other fine establishments. These people are already, Ivan, try to follow me, already the next level of evolution of homo sapiens, compared to you. Their ancestors never drank themselves to death, they experienced no negative social selection, they are almost different species.

So, just stop shitposting, Ivan, and go squat next to a liqueur shop, literally where you belong, and let the titans push ahead technological progress of human civilization.

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>muh russians

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Here's something for you.

>> No.71660801

why do you keep replying to that post you made about 5G being close to overlapping with UV earlier? you're desperately hanging on to this pitiful attempt at FUDing the thread and all the science posted that your moderator friend deleted.

this thread is yet another loss for the pro 5G tranny crowd

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I will climb that tower to get the best speeds on my phone

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>> No.71660905

Did you forget to make an argument? "non-ionizing" doesn't change what I said

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>be me, a 5G-mutated ubermensch
>feel like playing Words with Friends 3
>notice the warm glow of a 5G tower nearby
>climb to the top, where the radiation enhances my natural strength
>click app on my iPhone, before the game starts an ad plays in full 8k 60fps, it loads instantly, but I dismiss it quickly
>someone saw me climbing and called the police
>my mind enhanced by the mighty 5G millimeter ionizing radiation, I play MUZJIKS as my opening move for 126 points
>opponent takes a full two minutes and plays MOAN for 7 points, surely the sound he makes as his weak brain is boiled by the 5G
>I instantly type in QUETZALS for 374 points, I could probably do better but it'll have to do
>the police arrive, a scrawny man in a loose, poorly fitted uniform staggers out of his police car holding his head, and groans "Please get down off the tower, sir, it's trespassing"
>his partner stays in the car, apparently unconscious
>my opponent plays PAIN for 8 points, I respond with QUIZZIFY for 419 points. Had to use both blank tiles for that one so I'm really on the ropes here.
>cop continues to whine at me to get down, what a fucking distraction
>I rotate the 5G transmitter and sweep him with its beam, he is instantly vaporized, leaving only a shadow on the fused concrete he was standing on.
>opponent plays NO for 2 points and disconnects, probably dead
>I jump down from the top of the tower, crushing the police car.
>as I walk away the car explodes, I don't even bother to turn to look at it

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>> No.71661308

i remember retards complaining how phones will cause cancer in the early 2000s and there was a gap, no one protested agains 3g or 4g - why is 5g dangerous now?

>> No.71661336

hyuk see cletus i took one linear approximation of two data points and then just extrapamolate!
told ya i'd get it, cuz!

>> No.71661339

maybe they all saw the NTP study

just ignore the NTP study brownberg, we'll dilate later

>> No.71661360

>Israel, one of the most normal sub-100 iq countries in the world

Singaporean triple digit iq Ubermensch coming through.

>> No.71661473

Will we ever see a link to the whole study? Also:
>we don't have the time and money to actually investigate any of this thoroughly enough for
Great study my dude. And it totally sounds like it's not taken from a random schizo blog by the language used.

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sources at the bottom of each page
you will never formally address this website because it's all backed by science

>> No.71661525

There is more than one person replying to you genius. And no, I'm not going to address an entire website of research in 5 minutes.

>> No.71661632

And holy fuck, that entire website is a rambling schizo's blog. I just have to wonder what these people have been using to type all that content on - surely not the WI-DEATH-RAY-FI-LAPTOP my guy, noooooo. Call me when there are links on your blog, because I'm not going to scour the internet for every single one. Also call me when there's a single incidence of cancer linked to cellphone use. I'm sure I'll be hearing from you in no time.

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>> No.71661824

I cannot comment on the biological aspect.

I've only seen one video posted here talking about the affect of pulsating magnetic waves on cells and the research several people have done.
The jist of it was that cells subjected to pulsating waves would absorb more calcium which can have long term side effects.
One of the side effects claimed was the potential for impaired brain function.

If what is claimed is proven without a doubt to be true it can have some serious consequences.
However it wouldn't be the end of the world since healthy children born without exposure will not have these issues.

>> No.71662734

Arguments can indeed be one line long.

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>> No.71663020

What is the mechanism of action of non-ionizing radiation causing any negative impact on life whatsoever?

>> No.71663044

interference with voltage gated calcium channels causing an excess of calcium ions which leads to an enormous array of negative effects, such as promotion of an oxidative atmosphere (cancer)

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>> No.71663205

UV is 300 PHz–789 THz and 5G is like 24 Ghz to 90 Ghz, so not even near

>> No.71663252

That's funny, the New World Order doesn't recognize your pseudoscience.


Do you have any crystals or potions to sell that'll protect me from the evil energy waves?

>> No.71663309

>tens of thousands of studies saying the same thing
>majority of studies recognize there are subthermal effects (even industry funded ones)

>> No.71663388

Make that four for Big Pharma, as they're pushing the anti-RF research.

>> No.71663402

>Why does EU require makers of toothpaste with fluoride to label it "Dangerous, do not swallow. Keep away from children"?

You shouldn't be swallowing toothpaste, fluoride has nothing to do with it.

Like shit, what are you doing over there?

>> No.71663456

Recognized by one guy that's only keeps his professorship at a no name state school because of tenure.

>EigHt HunDREd MilLLIoN STudIes!

>Microwaves heat hot pocket! Cell Phones heat brains!

deal with it

>> No.71663476

deal with what? the massive backlash to 5G across all social medias? that's what you're tasked with tranny, and you're failing miserably

>> No.71663568

why do you keep replying with these weird aggressive posts that contribute nothing to the thread?

>tranny crowd

Oh you're a projecting idiot.

>> No.71663623

dump the scat already

>> No.71663659

No one believes your nonsense.

Your best friend and religious profit Dr. Pall is a known quack that pushed B12 injections on people for a quick profit. He's a grifter and your an idiot to fall for his scam.

No one would care even if it were true, which there's absolutely no proof of. People care about highspeed wireless internet access. People don't care about a .00002% correlation between modern telecommunications and illness.

You asked deal with what like you don't get it. I'm sure you do get it, but I'll answer taking you at face value. Deal with 5g because they're going to build it. Move out into the sticks and stock up on tinfoil because it's coming and you're going to have to deal with it.

>> No.71663704

The masts are going to disappear one way or another shill, there is no way for you to deal with it.

>> No.71663763

Are you suggesting you're going to wage terrorist attacks against 5g infrastructure?

That's definitely something a sane person would say.

I should take you and your beliefs seriously.

>> No.71663795

The microwave infrastructure is a terrorist attack in and of itself. It will be removed via the legal system, in fact it already has. Look up Ray Broomhall and then cope.

>> No.71664099

*jewish silence*

>> No.71664475

Bruh, I had to go to the store. Not everyone has NEETbucks™ to waste on delivery seven days a week.

Look, I'm more than happy to dox your lawyer, but I'm not going to do it for free and this isn't the medium for that sort of request.

>> No.71664505

The transmitters are already disappearing and over the next few months 5G will be halted and rolled back along with the vast majority of 4G and 3G transmitters.

>> No.71664963

sure bud

>> No.71665336

it's unstoppable, inevitable, desirable ;)

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>> No.71665494

for the lulz

>> No.71665530

So 4G and 3G are being taken down "for lulz"?

Soooooo it's not true.

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>noooo I need my new trendy smartphone
deal with it zoomer

>> No.71665686

I don't need it. In fact I would be the first to welcome the demise of cellphones.

So what about 2G? GSM? UMTS?
Is this only in USA?

3G is already taken down here but nobody used it anymore what with 4G and all. And IOT uses 2G and older.

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>IoT uses 2G

>> No.71665832

Ireland here too btw.
I hate 5G, here's my take.

1. Why do we take the stance of 'its not PROVEN to be dangerous so ROLL IT OUT'? How about it's not PROVEN to be SAFE so don't? If there is ANY evidence at all that it is in any way harmful it should be stopped until real research is carried out to prove its safety and the research cannot be in any way funded by carriers or anyone else with interest.

2. We literally do not need this shit. 4G is already beyond what we need. 3G is plenty fast. All increasing bandwidth further does is lead to more adware and bloat, lazier web development. When 5G comes your average website will probably become fucking 50MB+ to read some text.

3. The main push for 5G is for IOT. IOT is a cancer in itself.

So ignoring the cancer stuff the only 'good' we get from 5G is a more bloated web and more IOT botnet shit. WHY DOES ANYONE WANT THIS.

>> No.71665843

Sorry, I mean M2M, not IoT.

>> No.71665891

Good point about bloat.

I am getting by on 1GB per month now, but I must avoid news sites with those annoying autoplay videos. They eat up my data limit.

>> No.71666101

Well, you'd need a job at some point, so, yeah, you'll need a phone eventually.

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>you need a phone to have a job

>> No.71666139

Why? None of my jobs ever required phones. But I bet your boss has his dick so far up your ass he needs to be able to get a hold of you at all times of day and night.

>> No.71666238

Nice projection and deflection.
Yeah, great response. I'm sure your parents will live forever and that the day you get a phone you'll die.

>> No.71666356

>I'm sure your parents will live forever and that the day you get a phone you'll die.
what did he mean by this

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