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>Assemble a part list
https://pcpartpicker.com/
>Example gaming builds and monitor suggestions; click on blue titles to see notes
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/
>How to assemble a PC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g

Want help?
>State budget & CURRENCY
>Post at least some attempt at a parts list
>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs based on current pricing:
>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS)
>R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming
>i5-9400F/9600K - Great gaming CPUs
>R5 2600/X - Great multithreaded use CPUs
>i7-9700K - Extreme solution for absolute max FPS
>R7 2700/X - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing

RAM:
>Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended
>CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal
>AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP

Graphics cards based on current pricing:
>Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty
1080p
>RX 570 8GB - good performance with great value
>GTX 1660 - standard
>RTX 2060 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor)
1440p
>RTX 2060 - standard
>RTX 2080 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor)
2160p (4K)
>RTX 2080 - standard
>RTX 2080Ti - better fit for 4K but expensive

General:
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
>Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's 144Hz with adaptive sync
>A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
>Bottleneck checkers are worthless

Previous: >>70829100

>> No.70839054

>>>70839027
I was planning my build around a 144hz 1080p monitor. Maybe I will look at AMD, seems like a 9700k is going to be overkill for 1080p.

>> No.70839092

>>70839054
1080/144 is the most CPU dependent setup there is.
Wait 3 weeks, see if zen2 delivers substantial IPC gains.

>> No.70839093

With zen 2 coming around Tue corner is now q good time for a 2600x or should I wait for zen 2? Pairing it with a 2060 will that be fine for 2560X1080p? 16 gb of ram. Aiming to get high settings on all games 60fps

>> No.70839116

Will the Noctua NH D-15 fit into my original NZXT Phantom without any issue?

Recommendations for new speakers, max I would spend is around 125 USD.

>> No.70839118

>>70839093
Apologies, I'm a dirty phone poster

>> No.70839132

>>70839093
I would say wait because once Zen2 has an official release date the prices should drop on a 2600x.

>> No.70839169

>>70839132
Okay good point, would the performance increase be worth the costs for zen2?

>> No.70839170
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70839170

Ok I officially am putting my pc refresh on hold waiting for Navi(tm) and the next launches since for pic related not even a 1080ti is enough

>> No.70839196

>>70839169
We don't know what the official specs are yet. Computex starts May 28th and lasts tell June 1st. This is where AMD is going to reveal everything. Right now everything we have on zen2 is nothing but rumors like

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2019/03/04/amd-ryzen-3000-series-specs-and-price-leak-again-16-core-zen-2-intel-beater-for-560/#293c5f4220df

>> No.70839311

is having a frame time variance which produces stuttering fixed by using gsync? i'm not referring to dips in frame rate output causing stuttering but instead having frame time variance due to something like certain game engines freaking out when not able to use 8c/8t or something which it may prefer otherwise

>> No.70839347

>>70839170
KCD is cpu bottlenecked though

>> No.70839384

>>70839311
It smoothens the blow but doesn't get rid of it entirely.

>> No.70839392

>new monitor has annoying vertical band where the screen is slightly dim
I think I'm gonna return it and get this one now.
https://www.amazon.com/Dell-27-Inch-LED-Lit-Monitor-S2719DGF/dp/B00N2L5CXO
I don't know how I didn't see it before. Does anyone know if it's good or know of anything better for a similar price?

>> No.70839411

>>70839196
Okay I'll wait til then, cheers for that

>> No.70839412

>>70839347
>KCD is cpu bottlenecked though
not really, not even on a 2080ti

>> No.70839432

>>70839170
You're a good lad Henry, spend more time at church.

>> No.70839452

>>70839384
should i use RTSS to limit frame rate for each game .1% minimum fps expected for my hardware in order to eliminate stuttering or at 1% minimum fps? i refuse to lower graphics settings in order to reduce frame time variance

>> No.70839460

>>70839170
How can Navi fix a horribly optimized game?

>> No.70839490

>>70839460
>How can Navi fix a horribly optimized game?
I'm just waiting for a option that is reasonably priced and can run this POS at 30fps on beta-level of graphics

nothing can fix it i g

>> No.70839555

redpill me on the rx590 from the perspective of someone that has to pay his own electricity bill

>> No.70839571

Friendly reminder to keep reporting when he spams his retarded bait questions and mindless spam to force the bump limit sooner.
He spammed at least 30 more posts of garbage in the last thread again.

>>70839392
>S2719DGF
We JUST went over this in the end of the last thread. Please read. Stop buying outdated and overpriced monitors because you can only find 3 year old recommendations instead of looking at new stuff.

If it wasn't for the retard spamming, I guess you'd catch it more easily, but still.

>>70839169
Why are you asking people to predict the feature?
>>70839093
If all you are aiming for it 60fps+, you really don't need more than a 2600/X anyway.

>>70839116
Compare the cooler height spec and cooler clearance spec wtf

>>70839054
>seems like a 9700k is going to be overkill for 1080p.
That's strange non-logic. 1080p is the most common situation where you'd see the difference as you're almost always GPU bottlenecked in anything higher.
The problem is that even in 1080p with a 9700k and 2080Ti, you still won't get 144 in everything so it's increasingly pointless and poor value/

>>70839170
>>70839490
I don't think Navi is going to significantly outperform the 2080. It'll just be cheaper.

The latest leak is RTX 2070 perform for $330 at 190W TDP.
I'm assuming there'll be the ~$500 at 250W TDP model that's slightly higher perf than 1080ti/2080/RVII performance because to just have a 56CU model would be strange.
Really just an incremental upgrade over Vega which was expected. The big thing is just that it's cheaper.

It'll be a while until we get something that's better than the 2080ti and not retardedly priced.

>> No.70839602

>>70839571
>I don't think Navi is going to significantly outperform the 2080. It'll just be cheaper.

Basically how I think Navi is going to be too, I think it's great we'll have cheaper hardware with how Jewish Intel and Nvidia have been in recently times but ya, a 2080ti is just a fucking powerhouse.

>> No.70839605

>>70839571
right, which is okay and beats getting now a 1080/1070ti
since 1080ti and 2080 are over budget

>> No.70839749
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70839749

>>70839031
>shilling deprecated intel shit in the op

>> No.70839896

do I pull the trigger on a Iiyama ProLite E2283HS-B3 for 120 yuros

>> No.70839929

>>70839571
Okay so reading the other thread the only monitor I found that's close to my preferred budget of $400 or less is the Nixeus Edg 27 v2. Do you know of any other good 1440p 144hz monitors of similar price to compare it to?

>> No.70839955

>>70839170
On what settings/fps? 1440p 60fps high settings runs fine on a 1070.

>> No.70839973

>>70839571
>1080p is the most common situation where you'd see the difference as you're almost always GPU bottlenecked in anything higher.
Mind explaining further?

>> No.70839992

>>70839929
ideally 27" btw

>> No.70840021

>bit of money rolled in
>make a list of high end parts just for fun
>4700 usd

Ok maybe not..

>> No.70840054

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/gZ4pCb
whaddya think
use for rendering, animating, photoshop and gaymes

>> No.70840061
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70840061

>>70839571
>riendly reminder to keep reporting when he spams his retarded bait questions and mindless spam to force the bump limit sooner.
>He spammed at least 30 more posts of garbage in the last thread again.
Image if people spammed "report AMD shill" in every post they make.

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70840076

>>70839955
>high settings
On Ultra+ENB+Reshade+user.cfg tweaks for SSAO,LOD,sky+future mods
basically maxxed out beta performance

There hasn't been any optimization in this game since then, the (((czech))) team just gimped everything

Keep in mind lighting and weather are still abysmal vs the beta even with these tweaks

>> No.70840079

>>70839605
Or yeah, $300 Vega56 now, vs $330 in a few months for the RX 3070 which looks to be at least 25% more powerful and 10% more efficient.
The 3090 XT, if true, sounds a lot better since it's a $200 savings for a slightly better card over current gen. Really doesn't sound like there's much reason to not just get Vega 56 now.

Those gains don't sound huge, though. So it sounds like NGG still isn't working.
You see primitive shaders working in World War Z and the performance is extremely good.
NGG was supposed to make those work automatically.
If NGG was working, you'd expect at least a 30% effective IPC increase with NO node shrink. So it'd be more like a 50% increase total.
I heard speculation and details all the way back in 2017 which seemed to imply that NGG isn't coming until the true next gen after GCN, so not Navi. But people kept holding out hope that it's in Navi because it was supposed to be in Vega.

But at the same time, these leaks seem overly conservative. They seem to imply that Navi is little more than a node shrink with no new features except that it uses GDDR6. If that was true, it wouldn't need to have been repeatedly taped out. So I'd still wait and see if it's better still. If it's not, at least it'll be cheap.

People will say these leaks are just from adoredtv, other than his prices being off, but the same insiders who leak to him also leak to others. Tweaktown doesn't just parrot adoredtv. Only retarded shitposters believe that.

>>70839929
The LG VA has been on sale for $420 a few times.
No. There aren't many choices. There are some Acer, Pxio, etc, which all can have various issues.
Nixeus tends to have good quality control and warranty service. There's no point in considering much else since that Mbest model is discontinued.

>>70839896
Are your monitor choices there really that trash?

>>70839955
Even a 1080 or vega56 dipped under 60 at 1080p in some video in that game. That anon wants to play it maxed and it's poorly optimized.

>> No.70840101

>>70839973
... increasing resolution doesn't put more load on the CPU. Why would it?
Increasing resolution puts more work on the GPU which eases off the CPU.
This is INCREDIBLY basic.
The programming on the CPU almost never cares how many pixels your screen has. GPU programming ALWAYS does.

>>70840054
>https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/gZ4pCb
I wouldn't get a blower card. They're loud as fuck.
I'm also not a fan of those mITX cases which are just shorter desktops.
Otherwise it's fine. Biostar boards are hit or miss, but as long as you know what you're getting into they can be alright. At least it's not Gigabyte.

>> No.70840108

>>70840101
>The programming on the CPU almost never cares how many pixels your screen has
wtf how do you NOT know that??

>> No.70840114

>>70840076
>>70840079
Oh fair enough. I haven't played much of it myself. I guess I'll keep it on hold even longer until I get a 1080ti at least. Now that the dust has settled, is the game actually really great or just good enough?

>> No.70840120

>>70840079
>Nixeus tends to have good quality control and warranty service
It seems like the Nixeus is the best option. Only problem is it's gonna take at least a week to ship. Thanks for the help.

>> No.70840130

>>70840054
spend 30 more for this https://www.caseking.de/en/sapphire-pulse-radeon-rx-vega-56-8192-mb-hbm2-gcsp-187.html but make sure it will fit in case
and not sure about psu, try at least 550w, even if 450w is enough you dont want to choke your psu

>> No.70840164

My rig has a i5 4460 and a gtx 960, is it worth to keep the motherboard and get a second hand i7 4770k or 4790k? Also what budget gpu should I look for?

>> No.70840174
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70840174

>>70840114
>is the game actually really great or just good enough?
From a gameplay and atmosphere perspective I would say it's the best single player first person RPG available.. even aside the bugs and quirks and roughness around the edges

If they didn't gimp it to hell/released the modding tools in time it would have been legit great and a milestone desu

>> No.70840219

How important is ECC memory for you?

>> No.70840232

>>70840219
Not at all.
What a fucking stupid question.

>> No.70840257

>>70840174
Cool. I did the first hour near release and left it there for some reason. Looking forward to playing it with a better gpu and mods in the near future.

>> No.70840275

>>70840079
Is that Iiyama monitor that bad? I had posted here a while ago and still can't really find anything better
I just want a good 1080p75 monitor with speakers, preferably under 24"

>> No.70840333

>>70840108
It's seriously common knowledge? I knew it long before I learned programming.
Looking at any benchmark will show you that higher resolution equalizes the performance of CPUs as long as they can maintain the minimum frametimes. You can see at 4K that a 2600X and 9700k are essentially the same.

>>70840054
>>70840130
2nding. I didn't notice the PSU. 450W is technically passable, but 550W can give you overclock headroom and such.

>>70840164
RX570 and 4790 non-k would be a cheap upgrade and might hold you off a couple more years.

>>70840174
Like that looks OKAY, but not good enough to only be running at 26fps. That's just shit optimization. Good LOD and occlusion scaling for forests is hard, but come the fuck on, this has been pretty much solved in other games and they could have licensed it.

Are you sure that's not CPU limited, though? It must be.
People seem to assume their 6700k or 7700k is enough to run the game but it is NOT.
I'm looking at a 6700k+2080 test and when it's dropping to 30fps the GPU is only at ~70% load while the CPU is maxing out some cores. >https://youtu.be/rtP9OK3tUM0?t=115
7700k being better than 2700X for gaming is just a meme lie, after all. It is CLEARLY CPU bottlenecked on those bad drops.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGSrDL7OXLU
2700X+2080 instead seems to give nearly, but not quite, a locked 60 at 1440p, with it being GPU bottlenecked on the dips.

So yeah, if big-Navi really does give a bit over 2080 performance for $500, that's probably worth waiting for.

>>70840275
VIOTEK NB24CB
Acer SB220Q bi (no speakers but it's only $90 us)
Acer Nitro VG220Q bmiix (bit higher end, $130 us)
I don't know your local prices and options but it shouldn't be too hard to find a [email protected] ips with build in speakers for $90-$130 equivalent.

>> No.70840349

Remember to buy big, buy Biostar!

>> No.70840374

>>70840349
Abit is better.

>> No.70840384

>>70840333
Thanks for the recommendations, I had heard that Iiyama was a good brand who made high quality monitors, so I thought that one would be good
I have a Nvidia card (1060), Freesync on the Acer ones won't be an issue right? If I got everything right, it'll work through Displayport, and even if it doesn't it's just something I can turn off, right?
An Acer I can buy directly from the big French stores is the KG221Qbmix, is it any good?

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>>70840333
ur first link has view distance and LOD not maxed so i'd discard it
Who knows tho see below
As for the second link with the 2700x as u can see it's just the cryengine parking one core for assraping (which u can avoid via .cfg) but that 2080 seem to be used to hell as well
meaning even if not cpu-bottlenecked i doubt it would get much more fps

And that's not even with ENB, reshade, and tweaks which shave off another 10-20fps off the maximum

Game is really really heavy


Btw that pic i posted is just my setup on medium+enb+reshade filmic pass and curves+tweaked .cfg, ultra would look much better

>> No.70840407

>>70840333
>>70840174
>People seem to assume their 6700k or 7700k is enough to run the game but it is NOT.
>I'm looking at a 6700k+2080 test and when it's dropping to 30fps the GPU is only at ~70% load while the CPU is maxing out some cores. >https://youtu.be/rtP9OK3tUM0?t=115
>7700k being better than 2700X for gaming is just a meme lie, after all. It is CLEARLY CPU bottlenecked on those bad drops.
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGSrDL7OXLU
>2700X+2080 instead seems to give nearly, but not quite, a locked 60 at 1440p, with it being GPU bottlenecked on the dips.
Oy goy, plese ignore 8gen and 9 gen intel! you need ryzen for best gaming experience, how about a nice 2700x!

Sasuga AMD shill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgsc0y6mZWg

>> No.70840416

>>70840407
DELETE THIS NOW.

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70840438

>>70840384
I don't have anything against the brand. That's just like... a 10 year old monitor when you can get something new for a similar price?

>>70840384
>An Acer I can buy directly from the big French stores is the KG221Qbmix, is it any good?
KG221Qbmix is also older and TN.
A flood of new monitors using new [email protected] IPS panels hit the market the past 2 years which are much better quality than older cheap monitors were.

>>70840407
>>70840416
nice job BTFOing yourselves, fucking retards.

>> No.70840451

>before Ryzen
Oi vey! Don't be stupid goy, buy Intel.

>after Ryzen
Oi vey! Don't be stupid goy, buy AMD.

>> No.70840459

>>70840407
as u can see in ur vid even a 5ghz 9700k drops to 40ish and just in the starting area, can't imagine rattay or talmberg probably to the high 30s

>> No.70840464

>>70840438
CPU isn't close to maxxed out, retard.
Nice job trying to change the subject

>> No.70840469

>>70840451
To beat the Jews you must become a jew yourself.

>> No.70840474

>>70840438
Alright, thanks anon. I was just going by whatever was available on the three biggest french stores, and there weren't that many options available, I'll see if I can find the ones you recommended directly in baguetteland instead of having to pay ten thousand yuros for shipping

>> No.70840522

>>70840406
Anyway no, I said myself it's not a locked 60.
I saw one with ENB mods and some others with a 2700X and 1080Ti 1440p 60 but no counter. It was definitely dipping under 60, though.

The game just, yes, isn't well optimized and is hard to run no matter what you have.
I just assumed you'll want to buy SOMETHING to play it at some point instead of waiting forever for optimizations and better hardware both.

>>70840464
>83% on the GPU
Retard backpeddeling after you BTFO yourself by not watching your own video.

>>70840474
You're in the EU. Why don't you buy from a German store? They tend to have the best prices and selection from what I've seen.
https://geizhals.de/acer-ed6-ed246ybix-um-qe6ee-001-a1749158.html [email protected] ips with 2 speakers integrated for 119 euro.
https://geizhals.de/acer-value-v7-v227qbi-um-wv7ee-001-a1809100.html
cheaper, but no speakers
https://geizhals.de/aoc-22v2q-a1846860.html also no speakers

>> No.70840524

>>70840464
>CPU isn't close to maxxed out, retard.
but neither is the ryzen, so the game isn't cpu bottlenecked anyways
Just gpu

>> No.70840533
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70840533

>he buys thermaltake

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>>70840438
Oh look, the shill is shilling.

>>70840459
>as u can see in ur vid even a 5ghz 9700k drops to 40ish and just in the starting area, can't imagine rattay or talmberg probably to the high 30s
Anon, did you not look at the graphics difference? Did you not look at the cpu utlization?
Did you not understand you are talking to an AMD shill that is literally just trying to shill you an 2700x?
he is a well known shill that has plagued this general for years now >>70840061

>> No.70840542

>9700k doesn't get exactly 144 fps so you shouldn't get it! (despite being 20% faster than ryzen)

>> No.70840558

>>70840522
>83% on the GPU
>Retard backpeddeling after you BTFO yourself by not watching your own video.

>but MAXED out graphic settings on intel, while medium/high on ryzen system makes it a fair comparison, I don't need context, I dont need to know this, just buy AMD CPU!
>>70840541

>> No.70840559

>>70840522
>Retard backpeddeling after you BTFO yourself by not watching your own video.
Not my video, shithead. Clearly the CPU isn't maxed out. If the game is dipping, it's not the CPU's fault. Everyone knows that KCD isn't an optimized game; it's an engine flaw rather than a hardware limitation

>>70840524
Graphics card isn't maxed out either, so obviously just a weak engine

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70840564

I heard there's a way to force Turbo boost speeds on all cores, with a bios mod to change the microcode or something.
Anyone know anything about this?
Might make those laptop CPUs worth it, some can turbo to 3.8Ghz.

>> No.70840567

>>70840542
>disclaimer 9700k was tested on maximum graphics settings while Ryzen was on medium/high
>but goy don't look at that context, you don't need to know that, all you should know is look at the performance dip! BUY AMD! QUICK, even though both CPUS aren't being maxed out.

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70840574

>>70840522
>I just assumed you'll want to buy SOMETHING to play it at some point instead of waiting forever for optimizations and better hardware both.
I wanted to but by looking at tests it seems there is no hardware available to run it decently for now
I'm playing on medium for now it already looks pretty good i will postpone my ultra-maxxed-modded run i g

>>70840541
idk what u mean, the settings are the same on both, all Ultra unless i'm missing something
And he isn't shilling anything(to me at least) since i'm only looking for a gpu not cpu
the 9700k looks slightly less utlized yes
Anyways he was arguing the game is cpu-bound atm but it isn't the case for either cpus

>> No.70840578

>>70840533
Pretty sure nobody buys from that brand since the early 00s

>> No.70840582

>>70840524
To clarify something that a lot of people mistake: you can't completely go by CPU core usage OSD because of update frequency.

Say the update frequency on the usage output on screen is every second.
Windows can move a thread around many times a second.
If a core has 100% load for half a second, and 0% load another half second, it's going to show 50% even though it was CPU bottlenecked.
Ignorant retards take advantage of their lack of understanding this (or pretending to not understand it) a lot to shill garbage.

The GPU utilization is generally a better indication, except that it can show 99 or 100% when really there is more GPU left to be utilized.
However, if you see GPU down to 83% like that, it is CPU (or memory) bottlenecked.

>>70840541
Nice CPU bottlenecked 41 fps, retard.
>>70840558
>>70840567
Nice samefag spamming, retard.

>>70840542
>9700k only gets 41fps so you should get it

>>70840559
>Not my video, shithead
So you're bandwaggoning off of someone else's mistake and commiting to it even harder once you see your mistake LMAO. This is how retarded you are.

>>70840564
Does MCM not almost do that already?

>> No.70840586

>>70840582
>MCM
what

>> No.70840589

>>70840574
>idk what u mean, the settings are the same on both, all Ultra unless i'm missing something
Are you just AMD shill talking to yourself or something?
I provided a picture where you can clearly see that the two videos use different vidoe settings.
You can see it in the video
https://youtu.be/UGSrDL7OXLU?t=6
https://youtu.be/Jgsc0y6mZWg?t=7
YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE IT IN THE VIDEO and the image I provided. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN
>idk what u mean, the settings are the same on both, all Ultra unless i'm missing something

>> No.70840603 [DELETED] 

>>70840589
He already knows they use different settings, you moron. He noted that in his own reply. There's only so many examples to hardwware at various settings and you're strawmanning now.
He wants the play it maxed, not at 41fps like you're shilling with the 9700k.

>> No.70840619

>>70840582
>someone else's mistake
The only mistake make here is you replying to me, shithead. You're so stupid you can't even keep your shill arguments straight

CPU: not maxed >>70840438
>wah but it must be the intlel cee poo poo

>> No.70840626

>>70840589
He already said the LOD wasn't maxed in his post >>70840406
He wants to play it maxed and with mods on 60fps, not 41 like your 9700k.

>>70840619
>CPU not maxed
hahaaha the dumb shill repeated his ignorant garbage that was already BTFO >>70840582

>> No.70840631
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>>70840589
oh okay the ryzen one has lower LOD and viewdistance
it's hard to tell with all the slavic gibberish
Anyways even maxed setting is pitiful compared to the beta which is at least 2x

I run it at more than 2x vanilla

>> No.70840635
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70840635

Imagine being a PC gaymer and not going with an Intel cpu. [email protected] life.

>> No.70840687
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>>70840626
>>70840631
Here updated for blind people.

>> No.70840701

>>70840687
We can read the posts instead of your cherry picked, misleading, and context lacking garbage, samefag.
He doesn't want to play at 41fps on your 9700k.

>> No.70840733
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>>70840687
u're wasting ur time p much, afaik the lod and distance settings have minor fps impact anyways maybe 5fps in this engine somehow

>>70840701
I don't care about cpu wars i was just looking for a nice cheap gpu but it looks like it's too early
Just posting screenies by now

>> No.70840771

>>70840701
>>70840733
So you are just samefagging to shill amd cpus?
Because you avoid fucking addressing the point just like the AMD shill does all the time.
Intel version has ultra settings in everything, double the LOD and viewing distances of the ryzen, a higher SSMA level.
Yet all of this should be ignored when comparing the performance?
Instead people should ignore that info and focus on the fact that in one scene the game dipped to 41FPS. Even though it's not because of a CPU bottleneck but because of a GPU bottleneck?
And we should ignore that the shill was trying to promote AMD cpus and that they will "certainly give you a smoother experience than intel cpus"?
I guess all of that doesn't matter right?
Fuck the customers, people getting products, shill needs to get his paycheck too huh?

>u're wasting ur time p much, afaik the lod and distance settings have minor fps impact anyways maybe 5fps in this engine somehow
And if the AMD shill told you "your GPU is a bottleneck, get a 2080ti or something" instead of telling you how intel cpus are all too weak for it and you should get a ryzen CPU then it would have been fine.
But he didn't. And frankly based on your responses and your big willingness to ignore the information given
>what you talking about the settings are the same
>oh the settings are different but it's just lod
>oh huge portion of the settings is lower, plus all the lods are like half of the intel setup
>its just 5fps impact anyway probably no big difference
I really have to conclude that you are just amd shill having a conversation with himself, because he also ignores context, detail, facts and tries to pretend things don't matter when he is caught shilling lying to people.

>> No.70840775

New namefag amdrone in town?

>> No.70840811

>>70840733
I know. The samefag spammer was just taking advantage of some minor innocuous detail that was missed so he could spam to flood the thread with garbage unhelpful posts like always.
He loves derailing /pcbg/ and trying his best to make sure people don't get the help they actually want while pretending to be multiple people.

He hasn't read what you're looking for at all and is just using the opportunity to derail and soapbox retarded shit. Note how there's only 26 poster, and that's not increased for many dozens of posts.

>> No.70840819
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70840819

Frenchfag here, I can buy vega 64 or a rtx 2060 for the same price. I m using a 144hz 1080p monitor, looking for high fps. Which one would you buy ? Merci, bonne journée.

>> No.70840846

>>70840819
>best model of a roughly 2070 equivalent card for mediocre model of 2060 price
That's such an obvious choice, but you're going to get trolled by the trolls who are frequenting /pcbg/, most likely.
Granted, you can probably find a decent 2060 for cheaper, that's a really good model of Vega64 for that price.

>> No.70840880

>>70840811
>just taking advantage of some minor innocuous detail
>whole tier lower settings on ryzen to intel system when comparing performance of either system
>MINOR
> that was missed
IT was clear as day in the videos
I even provided a fucking image with it so you don't have to look at the video. Yet it was ignored as hard as possible. Even when that was pointed out, I had to literally high every single option to show that almost every setting was different.
An obviously easy thing to miss my ass

>He loves derailing /pcbg/ and trying his best to make sure people don't get the help they actually want while pretending to be multiple people.
I guess I get in the way of you shilling hardware to people and thats very inconvenient for you huh?
I don't even pretend to be multiple people, if anybody else joins in to point these things out that just shows that even normal posters here notice this shit.

>He hasn't read what you're looking for at all and is just using the opportunity to derail and soapbox retarded shit.
Aha, just "derailing" the discussion, please shut up and let me shill in peace huh?
>Note how there's only 26 poster, and that's not increased for many dozens of posts.
Yeah? What's your point that I made more than one post replying to your retarded ass that is trying to shill people?
AMD shill just get the fuck out of this thread so we can have honest people giving advise to others based on what is best for the person who asks for advise. Not this "oh this reminds me you should buy AMD products, get a AMD cpus, get an AMD GPU, they give you the best performance, truly"
This isn't advise or help tailored to each individual, it's just a thinly veiled attempt to shill.

>> No.70840887
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>>70840771
ur out of ur mind, as i said idc about the cpu even
yes now that i look closely at ur pic the ryzen bench is on very high not ultra, okay find one on ultra with same specs and post it and compare fps to show the "shill"

im only interested in the fact that no existing cpu+gpu combo can max it out @[email protected]@tweaked as of today

>> No.70840889

>>70840819
Please take a look how much Palit Gaming Pro 2060 costs for you.

>> No.70840900

>>70840819
That site is definitely overpricing the 2060
373€ on amazon https://www.amazon.fr/MSI-RTX-2060-6G-OC/dp/B07MJC8XKD/

>> No.70840926

>>70840887
here a 2080ti https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6ZAnBSqWWc
The first vid I found on youtube, watch it and tell me the results, as I have not watched it.

>> No.70840980

>>70840926
this is on ULTRA but distance not maxed and still drops to sub 60

i meant if u cared to do an honest comparison witht he ryzen one

>> No.70841035

>>70840980
As you can see the CPU is not the bottleneck it's the GPU.
>this is on ULTRA but distance not maxed and still drops to sub 60
Then you are shit out of luck lad. Cause thats a 2080ti and you don't really have an option in a more powerful GPU at the current time.

>im only interested in the fact that no existing cpu+gpu combo can max it out @[email protected]@tweaked as of today
So there is your answer I guess.

>i meant if u cared to do an honest comparison witht he ryzen one
? You said you don't care about the CPU and agreed that the game is GPU bottlenecked and asked if
>ANY system can run it 1440p 60fps without dropping below that
Now you turn around and tell me you want ryzen and intel comparrison again? Even though you stated you don't care about CPUS?

Honestly, you are either a retard or as I said, just the AMD shill with a new name talking to himself to promode amd products.

>> No.70841057
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70841057

I'm gonna buy an RTX 2070 soon.
Amazon has shit prices so i'm going to buy from a local store, and the lowest price for a 2070 is 489€ (547$) for the Gainward model. Is it worth paying 30 dollars more to get the Gigabyte version that has a slight factory overclock and three fans instead of two?

>> No.70841095

What case fans would you recommend for someone on a budget? I'd need between 2-3 and I'd rather put more money into the actual components.

>> No.70841112

>>70841095
>no mention of size
>no mention of noise tolerance
Get industrial 120mm fans that spin at 4-6K RPM then.

>> No.70841113

>>70841057
>is it worth spending 20 euro more for the worst model
???????????????

I don't know how the gainword is, but that Gigabyte one has 53% 1 star reviews on Newegg and Amazon isn't much better because they keep failing after a week and aren't even that quiet.
You can also get that Vega 64 Nitro+ for 420 euro. >>70840819

>>70841095
For 120m, the value pack of Arctic 120mm PWM fans is the clearest choice. It's like 6 fans which are 95% as good as Noctuas for $26.
Have the extras as spare in case your PSU fan dies, GPU fan dies, upgrade the CPU cooler fans, etc.

>> No.70841122

>>70841057
2070 is shit price/perf, go for 2060/vega56 and OC, unless u want gaytracing at 5 higher fps

>> No.70841126

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzIGD9qJsaQ

>> No.70841145

>>70841113
are you implying that a vega64 delivers nvidia 2070 performance?

>> No.70841178

>>70841113
Thanks, I'll check those out

>> No.70841182

>>70841122
I know fuck all about overclocking, i just wanna play my gaymes at 1440p high and go over 80 FPS without overclocking, the 2060 can't do that

>>70841113
What would be the best model then?

>> No.70841184

>>70841145
I clearly am. -10% in some cases, +5% in some others. That's very similar.
Just like Vega 56 and 2060 are similar, and are also very close to Vega 64 and 2070.
Vega 64 is 60 euro cheaper there, and that's for a high end model compared to low end ones of the 2070. That's more than 10% cheaper while being well within 10% of a performance difference.

Are you trolling, or was that an honest question?

>> No.70841202

>>70841184
>I clearly am. -10% in some cases, +5% in some others. That's very similar.
Got some sources to back that claim up?
>was that an honest question?
this

>> No.70841206
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Is it true that gigabyte has the best vrm's on the z390 aorus mainboards and is the elite enough for a oc 9700k? The logo looks goofy but i'm willing to buy it if the hardware is alright. Thank you.

>> No.70841226

>>70841182
i havent overclocked a thing before i purchased vega 56, it took me like 1 hour to find UV/OC sweet spot(amd software really helped tho), if you would rather spend 100$ extra than 1h of your life, then go for 2070

>> No.70841280

>>70841182
>What would be the best model then?
Of 2070? I really wouldn't recommend a 2070.
For 1080p, Vega56 or 2060 with a simple auto-OC is really close to the same performance for like 70% the price.
For 1440p, Vega64 is really close to the performance while you can get the highest end model of it for only 420 euro instead of spending 15% more for a lower end model.
Vega64 will also almost always beat it in productivity usage.

>>70841202
Unward Unboxed used a blower model of Vega 64 compared to the dual axial fan vapor chamber cooled 2070 and got a 10% difference average.
But the Vega 64 Nitro+ is 10% better than the shitty reference blower.

This is the closest test I can find which compares both reference, AIB, and AIB OC'd models via computerbase.de
You can see a 10% difference still between the HIGH END Strix and Nitro+ with both OC.
Nitro+ stock compared to a low end 2070 like the turbo stock is only a 4% difference while being 15% more expensive.
Here in the US, that Nitro+ was $420 last week. The 2070 Strix is $560 for a 10% improvement. (also has 3.5 user reviews on amazon due to high failure rates and other issues)

Vega64 is clearly a better buy there.
Vega56 and 2060 are better value cards if you find them at the right price (close to $300/euro), but if you want a little extra performance without going crazy into diminishing returns with the spending as you go higher and higher, Vega 64 is just a bit more for a bit more performance.

>> No.70841293
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>>70841202
>>70841280
Forgot image

>> No.70841350

>>70841280
shouldnt people just wait for navi at this point?

>> No.70841374

>>70841293
isn't the Asus RTX 2070 Strix the clear winner here? as it beats the vega 64 that is overclocked while being stock itself and overclocking to neat 1080ti performance?

>> No.70841396

>bought a 144hz ips freesync monitor
>random fps spikes when moving window tabs fast
>issues in a couple of games because they do not support it + fps spikes
>google the problems
>thousands of results with thousands of different 144hz issues
>turn on 60hz
>everything works perfect
I knew it was a fucking meme.
Fuck you

>> No.70841407

>>70840819
2060 obvs

>> No.70841430
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70841430

my build as accurate as I can make it in this website : https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6z8jdX

everything is accurate except I have a thermaltake xaser vi with red leds and custom glass on one side panel.
I also have a amd 550 in the third pcie slot to run my second screen. my CPU cooler is a kraken x62. how'd I do /g/? next is psu upgrade, you said it was gonna pop on me soon but it hasn't yet and has never given me problems.

>> No.70841440

>>70840819
french fag are you going to answer this? >>70840889

>> No.70841553

>>70841350
Not everyone is able to wait. Some people need to buy now and want the most reasonable choice they can get now.

>>70841374
Still seems like trolling.
It's $660 vs $420. Already noted that.
>price doesn't matter except when I say it does
is one of the most blatant troll tactics on this board.
57% more expensive for a 10% performance gain is TERRIBLE.

>overclocking to neat 1080ti performance?
Sure, an OC 2070 is much better than a 2080. Both are still far, far worse value than that Vega 64.
That might be worth putting in the OP, to replace the 2080 recommendation. The 2080 being too much money for 8Gb of VRAM. Almost 90% of the performance for about $150 cheaper.

>>70841396
Ask Nvidia geforce forums.

>>70841430
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6z8jdX
>everything is accurate except I have a thermaltake xaser vi with red leds and custom glass on one side panel.
Why the 590? Unless you're getting the 2 free games and ACTUALLY wanted them and planned to buy them, it's not good value compared to a 1660.
Why are you paying $130 for windows? Get a grey market legit key.
Why the bad SSD? For $10 more you can get WD Blue 256Gb.
Why the HDD *at all*? For your budget, if you optimized things better, you could fit a 1Tb SSD. Like did you really need the 8 cores? A 2600 would have saved $100 which is a 1Tb SSD right there.
Get a better cooler. I don't think that's better than the stock one.

Maybe you failed to update some details and prices and it's okay, idk.

>> No.70841613

Is the 1TB Intel 660p SSD decent? It's pretty cheap and I really want to upgrade my 256GB one.

>> No.70841635
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70841635

>>70840889
>>70841440
Yes. This is a meme or a good deal ?

>> No.70841640

>>70841553
>Still seems like trolling.
But the question was performance
>>70841145
>are you implying that a vega64 delivers nvidia 2070 performance?
>>70841184
>I clearly am

Now when your own data shows that it doesn't deliver 2070 performance you turn around and call me trolling?

>> No.70841655

>>70841635
2060 above 350 is a meme

>> No.70841662

>>70841613
Good enough. Just don't expect to able to rape it for 5 years straight.

>> No.70841664

>>70841640
he just wants to shill vega products, what do you expect?

>>70841635
that 2060 is much much better than the ventus one.
So if you want to get a 2060, this is the lowerst, most budget one I would consider myself.
Use this as your baseline and compare some Vega 56 and vega 64 prices and figure out if what is the best deal for you.

>> No.70841678
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70841678

Say I wanted to run a GPU a good foot or so from the slot. Would that length of cabling introduce timing/performance issues? Is there a reasonable maximum?

>> No.70841683

>>70841635
Wow this thing has less ports than my 1060 3GB

>> No.70841702

>>70841662
>Just don't expect to able to rape it for 5 years straight.
what do you mean? is it less durable than other SSDs? How does it compare to let's say a 860 Pro in terms of durability?

>> No.70841709

>>70841683
1 display port, 1 HDMI, 1 DVI-D
How many and what kind you need? I would consider this a reasonable option for people who use a single monitor as it lets you use pretty much any monitor out there on the market with no connectivity issues, as some monitors need DVI-D connection specifically to have a 1080p144hz display.

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>> No.70841749

>>70841635
Can't you get Vega 56 for 300 euro, if not spend just 40 euro more for the much better Vega 64? So yeah, that's a bad deal.
That's not a terrible model (except not having at least 4 video outputs like the other anon noted is strange), but that's way too expensive for what it is.

>>70841640
>>70841664
How can you blatantly misconstrue my posts like that and say I posted something other than what I clearly posted?
Everyone else can read >>70841184 and see that your responses are clear trolling.

>>70841678
Single digit percentage difference. Pretty much a placebo difference.

>>70841613
Isn't that QLC? Don't use QLC for a main drive.

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>>70841727

>> No.70841769

>>70841749
>Don't use QLC for a main drive.
why not?

>> No.70841779

>>70841678
using copper connections, a foot or two is the most i'd do.


If you've got PCIe fiber connections used for super computer clusters, you can deal with longer distances, but even then, within the same building.

>> No.70841789

>>70841709
Nah just pointing out it has less which is kinda weird.

>> No.70841794

>>70841749
>How can you blatantly misconstrue my posts like that and say I posted something other than what I clearly posted?

I asked a simple question
>>are you implying that a vega64 delivers nvidia 2070 performance?
You said
>>I clearly am
Then many posts later when you prove yourself wrong you say
>I actually meant price to performance
But that is a different thing.

I am sorry if english hard for you to understand, but this is not trolling, please actually read what is being asked. Your incompetence is not the fault of others.

>> No.70841808

>>70841664
>>70841749
Looking for stable 144fps, so my choice go to the vega 64. Thanks for your advices

>> No.70841811

>>70841702
Less durable, but unless you write to it constantly for years it's no issue.
It's 1TB so TBW should be pretty high.
For comparison I've been using a 120GB TLC drive as OS drive for 4 years now

>> No.70841817

>>70841789
Different brands decide to put different types and amounts.
If you need more or different type of connections then by all means choose something else.

>> No.70841828

>>70841808
>Looking for stable 144fps, so my choice go to the vega 64. Thanks for your advices
Even 2080ti doesn't net you "Stable 144fps" in every resolution or game.
You have some kind of specific resolution and game you care about?

>> No.70841838

>>70841794
I said it was -10% on some games, +5% on others.
You claim what I posted doesn't back that up? It's within 4% of the 2070 stock, and 10% overclocked. That's within the -10%, as an average, and obviously various games vary as I said.
You can't do simple math.
Or no, you're just trolling.

>>70841702
>>70841811
>It's 1TB so TBW should be pretty high.
It's 200 TBW. I'd really recommend at least 300TBW for a main drive.
It'd be fine going with the 2Tb, which is 400 TBW, but that's less value.

>> No.70841839
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70841839

Help plox, I'm building a PC for my wife's 12 years old son. This is what I did so far https://an3223.github.io/Living-without-the-modern-browser/, generic enough to be ok? No idea about the case tho, I guess he wants some leds. Budget is around 600€ and you can guess the usage.

>> No.70841843

>>70841828
1920x1080 144hz, Mordhau atm

>> No.70841857

>>70841839
Shit wrong link https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/xqkgGG

>> No.70841902

>>70839031
Need some help deciding between the R7 2700X and i5 9600k. I will be dual-booting Ubuntu (for college) and Windows (for gaymen). I've seen that i5 performs better than R7 in games (poor optimization for AMD) but most important factor is CPU longevity. Currently I am only buying CPU+MOBO+RAM since I am upgrading from my old FX-6300. Now the Z390 (Gigabyte Z390 UD)mobo that I chose seems a bit better than the X470 one (ASRock X470 Master SLI). Intel build is ~590 $ and AMD one is ~640 $ (I live in Eastern Europe, part variety is not so great). I would rather go with ryzen but I don't really need too much computing power. I need your opinion to make the decision.

>> No.70841920

>>70841902
Do you need the 2 extra cores?
Also instead of dual booting you can use a VM for gaymens.

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>>70841839
>>70841857
>https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/xqkgGG
Needs dual channel memory. Single channel WILL stutter.
Get the 2600 instead for more consistent frame pacing. Rest is fine.

>>70841902
9600k gives better averages, sure, but averages don't matter.
Same as above: you'll get better frame pacing with Ryzen.
>Now the Z390 (Gigabyte Z390 UD)mobo that I chose seems a bit better than the X470 one (ASRock X470 Master SLI). Intel build is ~590 $ and AMD one is ~640 $
That's a so-so board. You can't get the Tomahawk for cheaper? Usually the builds would be more around the same price here in the US or the rest of Europe.

I'd also recommend KVM passthrough instead of dual booting.

>> No.70841935

>>70841902
Also consider B450 for cheaper boards.

>> No.70841955

>>70841838
10% less performance isn't really
>>are you implying that a vega64 delivers nvidia 2070 performance?
>>I clearly am

>> No.70841964

>>70841934
10 cores is bare mininum nowadays

>> No.70841980

>>70841857
great budget build mate, the only thing I would change is the PSU to seasonic. Otherwise it's top tier budget gaming.

>> No.70841982

>>70841920
To be honest, no
I guess the hexa-core i5 would be enoguh. I just thought I would go all-in building a workstation and """"battlestation"""" (I feel really uncomfortable saying that word, lol) that would last me for some time. Rn I have some new parts that I boguht for my old build (cpu cooler, PSU and GPU). Idk if VM would be of much use since I have a GTX 1050 (I am waiting for NAVI, so the prices drop a bit and I can possibly grab a new gpu)

>> No.70841992

I'm upgrading my PC today and intend to sell the old parts, basically everything except the case and hard drives. How should I store that stuff in the meantime? Can I just leave everything attached to the mobo and put it in a box or something?

>> No.70841993

>>70841934
Ok, is 4x2 still fine or should I go for 16? Why is the 9400F in the op if it's not good?

>> No.70842003

>>70841982
A VM is just so you can use windows without having to reboot.
You can pass GPU through for a native experience kinda.
If you want to go VM, the iGPU on the intel will help.

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>>70841993
9400F is fine

>> No.70842027

>>70841838
>I'd really recommend at least 300TBW for a main drive
Then do you think the 512GB 760p is worth it since it has 288TBW? It's the same price as the 1TB 660p.

>> No.70842044

>>70842027
Reminder that 200TB is >2800 4K BD rips.
Do you see yourself writing that much? Enough to lose half the space and go for a 512GB drive?

>> No.70842049

>>70842044
yeah, my primary SSD has around 60TB of writes after ~3 years of constant use.

>> No.70842055

>>70842019
Sorry if this sound retarded but
>Get the 2600 instead for more consistent frame pacing
2600 what then?

>> No.70842057

>>70841934
Found a B450 Tomahawk, price around 140 $

>> No.70842058

>>70842049
where do I check my SSD writes?

>> No.70842059

>>70841955
Why did you take me posting that it's -10% in some games, +5% in others, as meaning
>EXACTLY the same performance on average no matter the suite of games tested
Is it because you're STILL trolling? Repeating the case nonsense more than 5 times now?
Yes, that's it.

Even if you take the average of +5% and -10%, that's -7.5%. That source shows stock for stock, that model of Vega 64 compared to one of those cheap models of 2070 is only 4% slower. That's even better than what I claimed and you keep repeatedly misconstruing to troll.

>>70841982
If you're gaming on it, an i5 isn't enough if you don't want stutters and frame dips.
Though the iGPU would make passthrough easier instead of needing a second cheap GPU like >>70842003 noted. Otherwise the display is going to shut off for Linux when you passthrough to Windows as it'd be Window's GPU then. There's no SR-IOV on mainstream GPUs.
>>70841993
4x2 is fine for almost everything as long as they're willing to close the web browser for demanding games.

>>70841992
I wouldn't transport things with them plugged in. GPU is heavy and can rip out the PCIe slot if it bounces around. Cooler is heavy and can bend the motherboard.

>>70842019
>muh averages
>frametimes consistency doesn't matter!
Stop. You just make your argument worse.
>>70842055
What? Averages don't show frame pacing at all.

>>70842027
No, I think you should get a 1Tb SU800 or WD Blue that are also a similar price. They're both 400 TBW and $90-$110.
QLC isn't going to become worth it until you can get 2Tb for well under $200, and still mostly to have as secondary storage drives.

>>70842044
Reminder that using 1Tb of internet data, with much of that cycling through temp folder, is alone going to be using close to around 1Tb per month. 200 isn't enough for something you expect to last 5+ years.
>>70842049
Your usage will likely go up over time, though. That is quite low, but again as noted above there are better options for a similar price.

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>>70842058
depends on the drive, mine just reports it directly with crystaldisk info or samsung's magician utility.

>total host writes
>59333GB

>> No.70842072

>>70842059
>That is quite low
No it's not, i've seen people with 7 year old boot SSDs with less writes than this.

Not everyone is in a production environment. MOST people will never get close to 300TB written, even after a decade of constant use.

>> No.70842075

>>70842055
>>Get the 2600 instead for more consistent frame pacing
It's a meme. You can easily check reviews by yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng8Wa_jwwx8

>> No.70842087

>>70842059
Do people really go through 125GB of NEW content on the web a month?
Even then that's 1600 months for 200TBW

>> No.70842101

>>70842072
>MOST people will never get close to 300TB written, even after a decade of constant use.
can confirm. my 4.5 year old SSD only has 69GB of writes. That means I should probably go with a 1TB 660p that has 200TBW and don't worry for many years r-right?

>> No.70842104

How long should I keep PSUs and HDDs around for? I wanted to bring over my original ones of those into my new build but they're both about 9 years old now.

>> No.70842105
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Also I just checked and turns out my 4 years old drive is only rated for 75TBW kek

>> No.70842114

>>70842101
Yup, the only people regularly hitting the limits on SSDs are datacenter users, and video production or similar high data-use production tasks.

>> No.70842121

>>70842104
I will keep using a PSU in a current build for as long as it lasts, but if i'm building a new build, and the PSU is more than 5-6 years old, it should be replaced.

>> No.70842126

>>70842059

>If you're gaming on it, an i5 isn't enough if you don't want stutters and frame dips.
>Though the iGPU would make passthrough easier instead of needing a second cheap GPU like >>70842003 noted. Otherwise the display is going to shut off for Linux when you passthrough to Windows as it'd be Window's GPU then. There's no SR-IOV on mainstream GPUs.
Good to know, noted, thanks for input

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>>70842072
>>70842101
I just don't understand why you'd pay the same amount of money for a 3D-QLC drive as a 3D-TLC one.
QLC should be cheaper than TLC should be cheaper than MLC should be cheaper than SLC.

>>70842105
Well yeah, you aren't writing much to it when it can't hold much more than Windows.
I think the most writes you'll have as a basic user is in the 240-700 range, as you have enough space to install more on it, but not enough that you don't constantly have to uninstall and reinstall what you're actually using.

>>70842087
Yes. I go over 1Tb of download data almost every month.
At 1Tb, that's 60Tb which could cycle through the temp folders over 5 years. That's JUST from the internet usage alone before going into anything else which creates writes.
I've used 60TBW in 25 months. 200TBW is not enough for me.

>>70842104
You can use the PSU until it starts getting noisy or it becomes horrendously out dated when it wasn't a good one to begin with.
HDDs I just don't trust at all anymore. They're also loud, slow, and annoying.

>> No.70842282

Why do most computer cases now have tempered glass sides?

>> No.70842315

>>70842282
Because RGB and showing off your PC guts is popular and having a glass window highlights it. It sucks though because tempered glass makes the GPU run hotter which in turn reduces GPU boost clocks giving you worse performance than you should be getting.

>> No.70842316

>>70842258
>Yes. I go over 1Tb of download data almost every month.
So do I, but just internet traffic is probably only ~150-250GB a month, the other 750GB+ a month is all torrents, which I download to HDDs and get cached in RAM.

I have downloaded well over 15TB of content just since christmas, but i'm not retarded enough to download to an SSD.

>> No.70842333

>>70842315
I see. Fuck that fad.
It's so hard to find the non tempered glass versions available locally.

>> No.70842365

>>70841727
muff garbage

>> No.70842378

>>70842316
If you really do know how much you're using then you shouldn't have to ask about TBW.

>> No.70842379

>>70842101
meant 6.9TB or writes.

still REALLY low. At that rate, a 200TBW drive would last me about 128 years.

>> No.70842391

>>70842378
>4chan is all one person

I'm not the original person, i'm just explaining that MOST people will never need 200TB/w +

>> No.70842424

>>70842282
Because many people like them.
They look a lot better than the acryllic cut outs, I'll admit, even though I prefer them completely blocked off and insulated instead of either.

>>70842316
>his internet download speeds are bottlenecked by his HDD
yikes
>retarded enough
Mine will still last 10+ years at my current usage rate of over 1Tb/mo. I'll upgrade to a 4Tb drive with Optane or similar with tiered storage by then.
I have a 400TBW drive, you somehow missed, which is handling our usages fine.
>>70842391
Saying most won't because they don't write much to their 120Gb drive they can't even write anything to is a bad data set to use.
Some new survey showed the average person is using almost 300Gb of data per month and that it keeps going up.
In a few years, 1Tb per month like I use will be normal.

And
fucking
again
Why pay $110 for a 1tb 3D-QLC drive when you can get a 1Tb 3D-TLC for the same price? Nothing else even needs to be discussed.

>>70842379
It is, but again, when you have enough space to actually use it for the OS you're going to be uninstalling and reinstalling to it much more often to keep things you use on it so it's fast.

>> No.70842450

>>70842424
>when you have enough space to actually use it for the OS you're going to be uninstalling and reinstalling to it much more often to keep things you use on it so it's fast.
true, but I won't use it for more than 10 years anyway, so 200TBW is probably overkill for me anyways. $100 for a 1TB SSD is just too good.

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>>70842424
>yikes
lmao, you must have some shit HDDs, even my 5400RPM drives can write at ~70MB/s+, and they can all easily read at 110MB/s+ for seeding.

And again, it's caching to RAM, so anything with less than ~10GB in file size will fit in the RAM anyway before getting written to the HDD.

>> No.70842511

>>70842461
>his internet is only 70MB/s
anon...

>>70842450
>$100 for a 1TB SSD is just too good.
... how do you keep missing the fact you can get a 3D-TLC drive for that when it's been pointed out to you like 5 times? I give up. Just buy the QLC one instead for no reason.

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>>70840819
>>70841635
>>70841749
>>70841057
Neither, get a GTX 1080 off ebay for like $300 USD or a GTX 1070 Ti for $250 USD. I put in a Paris area code for availability. Vega 56s are going for like $230 USD.

Only an idiot would pay full price for Turing cards right now. If you absolutely need new hardware, wait for Navi so you can pay half as much.

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>>70842511
my internet isn't 70MB/s, that was just an example of what my 5400RPM drives can regularly hit, hell I posted one hitting 80MB/s

I have 7200RPM 5TB drive for anything I actually NEED to be downloaded at gigabit speeds and still don't want to use an SSD.

>> No.70842552

>>70842511
>3D-TLC
which one do you recommend? Is it as fast as the 1TB 660p?

>> No.70842606

>>70842552
TLC and QLC are basically cheap flash memory.

They have worse performance and write endurance compared to MLC or SLC flash.
But they cost less.

3D-TLC is just stacked TLC chips.

>> No.70842658

>>70842536
Used is a good recommendation, to a point.
Many of the used V56 are going to be blower cards.
Warranty isn't always transferable in the US (though isn't it in France?)
I've heard Europe has really high used prices, but you say you found them cheap.
Sometimes new prices are good enough to be worth it. 300 euro for vega 56 pulse, or 420 for vega 64 nitro, is really good as far as new prices go.

I agree as far as RTX cards go, but the 1660 and 1660ti are also Turing cards.

>picture
Damn it tried.

>>70842552
WD Blue and SU800 or SU900.
660p isn't even that fast wtf. It gets cache choked in certain situations. It advertises 1800mb/s but there are A LOT of cavaets like it performing slower than those 3D-TLC drives when nearly full in many operations, and it throttling hard, and other shit. It's not a very good drive. It's not awful, like, if there was a 4Tb for $250 I'd buy it as a secondary drive.

In the best case, it's sometimes 2-3 as fast. Other times it's slower. It is also much less power efficient. Horribly, horribly power inefficient which I guess is just intel in a nutshell now days.
Check anandtech's tests. https://www.anandtech.com/show/13078/the-intel-ssd-660p-ssd-review-qlc-nand-arrives/6
The WD Blue and SU800 are slightly behind the MX500 in most cases on this chart. BUT THESE ARE SYNTHETICS. In the real world, you won't feel a difference between an SU800, MX500, 660p, and 970 Evo. You'd mostly only see the difference when transferring large files to two equal performing drives. The SU800 and WD Blue are A LOT better than those older 2D-MLC and TLC NAND SSDs already as it is.

>> No.70842730

>>70839031
quick question
op says that amd b and x chipsets supports xmp, but i'm using an a320 chipset with memory oc'd to 3000mhz via xmp. so, is it only the a320 that supports it and the older a300 doesn't, is it manufacturer specific - in my case msi, or does op sucks dicks?

>> No.70842745

>>70842658
Emphatically disagree. I saw plenty of non-blower twin and triple fan cards for sale well below retail. At the end of the day, even in the US transferring warranty without POP is difficult. With how inflated prices are now, I don't think it's justified unless you know the card is going to be in a high risk area like that guy in Hawaii who had serious issues with humidity.

One alternative, get a card off with a game key deal and sell both game keys on a site like g2a for like $100 USD back.

>> No.70842774

Which one should I get for building my first PC?

https://www.pccasegear.com/category/83_266/tools-screws/toolkits

>> No.70842778

Can anybody tell me what the difference is between Asus AREZ strix vega 56 and Asus ROG strix vega 56?

>> No.70842820

>>70842774
None, you only need one phillips head screwdriver for your motherboard and maybe your pci-e supports and hdd brackets.

>> No.70842837

>>70842778
I honestly don't think there is a difference.

>> No.70842865

>mobo reaches temps in the 80s & PC turns off.

wat do

>> No.70842897

>>70842865
We need more information. What case, cpu, gpu, heatsink, how many fans, how are they oriented, how are you monitoring temps, any overclocks, etc.

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>>70842658
>WD Blue and SU800 or SU900.
I unironically need NVMe.
> pic related

>> No.70843074

>>70842919
???
SATA will fit in the slot. It has the M key notch.

>>70842778
the stickers on the fans.
Actually, I think on the Arez model they fixed the thermal pad issue. On the asus one you would sometimes have to take off the cooler and replace a thermal strike to fix an assembly error.

>>70842730
Yeah there's something strange where lots of a320 boards have those features, including overclocking, despite officially not supporting it.
Blame AMD and their not caring enough to lock platforms down so hard.

>> No.70843080

Help needed with this >>>/wsr/662619.

>> No.70843185

>>70842536
>Neither, get a GTX 1080 off ebay for like $300 USD or a GTX 1070 Ti for $250 USD. I put in a Paris area code for availability.
You forget about import duties, they are really expensive

>> No.70843246

>>70843074
I'm using a very specific adapter

>> No.70843282

>>70842919
While those SSDs are SATA, that chart isn't quite accurate since you can get PCIe M.2 cards which have the two notches, but they are only PCIe 3.0 x2 instead of x4. There are a few Intel M.2 SSDs which are NVMe while only having 2 lanes which have the 2 notches.
M.2 also supports USB 3 as well as SATA and PCIe.

>> No.70843317

How bad is the ghosting in <$350 VA panels, really? I'm coming from an old TN where I got tired of the shitty viewing angles and colors, but the slightest bit of motion blur gives me headaches and I'm worried VA ghosting could do the same.

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>>70843246
Explain?

>>70843080
How do you know it's not the monitor? Explain better.

>>70843317
There is less ghosting on that new $420 LG VA than that Dell Gsync *TN* all the tech illiterate memer retards buy in droves.

>>70843282
You don't need two notches in the fucking slot. The slot doesn't have the B-key notch.
The B-key notch is only to prevent NVMe from being plugged in. Wtf.
How can people be this dumb to have this reversed.

>> No.70843440

>>70843392
$420 is out of my budget. I'm asking about lower price VA panels.

>> No.70843445

>>70843392
>Explain?
macshit
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CWWAENG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ep_dp_YMkIBb9T383R3

>> No.70843447

>>70843440
cheap VAs, especially 60hz will have ghosting. If you're sensitive to that, don't buy one.

>> No.70843493

>>70843447
What about on 144hz?
And does that MPRT shit actually work, and is it worth losing freesync over?

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>>70843392
>You don't need two notches in the fucking slot. The slot doesn't have the B-key notch.
>The B-key notch is only to prevent NVMe from being plugged in. Wtf.
>How can people be this dumb to have this reversed.
I wasn't talking about the sockets. There are NVMe SSDs which have two notches in them so when looking at SSDs, you can't be sure they're SATA just because they have the two notches.

>> No.70843550

>>70843493
On decent VA 144hz panels it's honestly not bad, as said here >>70843392 the new 144hz LG VA panel does better than some TN panels.

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>>70843392
>>70843440
>>70843550

>> No.70843874

So, I fell for the 2060 meme some time ago and got me one.
Now I feel like it's inadequate. If I want to not upgrade for a long time, should I rather get a 2080 or 2080Ti?

>> No.70843890

>>70843440
$420 isn't much more than $350 for something much better. Just save up more money instead of getting shit.
Like the other anon said, if you don't want ghosting, you either hope there is a new model which comes out with an equally good panel as that brand new LG VA, and/or wait for sales (but I think $420 was already the same price... or actually might have gone down to $380 iirc).
Years ago, I wouldn't even recommend VA, but that new LG is really nice.

You can look at what panel it uses, I know it's not Samsung, and see if you can find other cheaper monitors with the same panel but they might not have as good of overdrive settings to reduce the blurring.
It'll probably be a year or two before that happens, sort of like how that Mbest monitor that was discontinued was using the same panel as the Acer Predator, but tuned and optimized to perform even better, and for almost half the cost. But that was over 2 years after that Acer Predator monitor came out.

>>70843507
Ah fair enough.

>>70843445
The fuck? That's in the middle. NVMe would work with a middle notch.

>>70843493
I've seen no indication that MBR disables freesync on that monitor. It even advises that it *combines* freesync with motion blur reduction.
Yes, I'm aware on many monitors their ULMB did.

It's also Freesync 2, with HDR.
The only downside to the MBR seems to be that its lowest max brightness with essentially might mean disabling HDR. You can see in >>70843392 that it's not quite as bright on the "Faster" setting. But there is also the "normal" one which seems to nearly match that Dell TN.

I'd get it myself if it was 27"

>>70843819
Was not saying that that Dell is the best TN. Clearly. Just that it was a popular TN.
Also, ULMB disables adaptive sync on those, does it not?
The small amount of blurring on the LG VA is an acceptable amount, and far better than most people experience yet think is fine.
I also don't find a little blurring to be as bad as that ghosting.

>> No.70843899

>>70843874
wtf is it inadequate for?
are you trying to play at some meme resolution?

>> No.70843925

>>70843899
He's probably one of those people that fell for the high refresh rate meme but cheaped on GPU+CPU

>> No.70843994

so uh, do I go with 4x4 GB RAM or 2x8?

>> No.70844018

>>70843874
>pays $350 for a *60 card
>disappointed
2x 2080Tis plus the $150 NVLink adapter.

>>70843994
2x8 if you have 2 memory channels on your CPU's IMC. Should always avoid overloading the IMC if you want the best performance, especially in gaming.

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g-guys, the radeon vii is a far superior, quieter and more power efficient gpu than the rtx 2080, i promise! please buy the radeon viii

>> No.70844025

>>70843994
Depends, if you're on a quad channel memory board, get 4x4Gb.

But if you're on a consumer chipset, then it's a dual channel memory controller and you should do 2x8GB.

>> No.70844043

>>70844019
Make it $200 less and I will consider it.

>> No.70844050

>>70844018
>>70844025
alright, 2x8 it is

>> No.70844071

>>70841035
>Then you are shit out of luck lad. Cause thats a 2080ti and you don't really have an option in a more powerful GPU at the current time.
Yes that's why i said i will wait to refresh my pc for some months at least
>Now you turn around and tell me you want ryzen and intel comparrison again?
i meant if u cared to debunk the other guy instead of posting random links and calling each other SHILL u dumb nerd

>> No.70844086

Hey guys I'm planning a 1080p 240hz build. As of right now my plan is: 9700k/ddr4 4400 cl19/radeon vii/360mm aio for CPU/240mm aio for gpu and a silenced focused case either the Silverstone Kublai or that new phanteks.
Upgrading from a [email protected] and a gtx 760 at 1080p 144hz.
Opinions? Should I also get a new ssd while they're cheap?

>> No.70844144

>>70844086
I'd go 280mm for radiators if you can. It's a lot better. For both CPU and GPU each, at that. It's only about 10% less surface area than 360mm while being more quiet.
Wouldn't hurt to get a new SSD while they're cheap, go ahead. I'd again recommend the WD Blue or SU800, or similar 3D-TLC for 1Tb. MX500 is a bit faster and more money but I don't think you'll notice the difference.

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>I Gotta Feeling by The Black Eyed Peas starts playing

>> No.70844182

>>70844146
lmao, retard

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>>70844146
Also want to make a note that almost every single review website was fucking way off with the size, it only measures 268mm from the outputs to the end of the shroud. Shroud also looks plastic in most pictures and it's not, it's 100% metal besides the fan blades. Also the IO shield is black instead of silver.

>>70844182
pic related

>> No.70844206

>>70843890
>Just that it was a popular TN.
it is, why?
>Also, ULMB disables adaptive sync on those, does it not?
Depends, some select monitors can provide blur reduction/ULMB/MRB and any analog of it while also providing freesync/g-sync.
But those are more of an exception rather than common. I am not entire sure but I think it was BenQ monitor that had that option, could be wrong though.

>The small amount of blurring on the LG VA is an acceptable amount,
Not at all if you are gaming and moving your camera around a lot. Turn your head, and your entire world does not look like it's blurred, it does not look like its smeared in vaseline. This translate to a huge difference of comfort and actually seeing the image clearly while there is lot of motion.
You saying it's not a big deal is the same way people with bad eyesight seeing the world blurry without glasses is "okay", it wont kill you but it certainly is not good or acceptable.

>> No.70844218

I built my PC with a 500GB SSD 2.5 by Corsair but it is not enough like some of those games are crazy large. I think I'll buy another 1TB SSD by Corsair. Do you just insert the SSD into the computer or do I need to do anything else to get it running?

>> No.70844228

>>70844071
>Yes that's why i said i will wait to refresh my pc for some months at least
Waiting a few months wont change anything, AMD will not come out with anything even close to 2080ti.

>> No.70844257

Cheapest VA 24inch 1080p or 27inch 1440p
with 8bit pannel+FRC(pseudo 10bit) that has at least 120 or 144hz refresh rate and decent response time in GTG so it's not a blurry/ghosting mess.

>> No.70844305

>>70844218
>buying Corsair SSDs
Why though? You're getting ripped off, buy Samsung, Crucial or even Intel.

>> No.70844321

>>70844201
>>70844146
I'm actually mad jelly. Post more pics

>> No.70844353

>>70844146
Are you just going to leave it stock or are you doing anything to it?
They're fun to mod.

>>70844218
I've been warning people to try to get 1Tb minimum for a year since they dropped in price.
There's a number of games around 150Gb now.

>>70844228
He also doesn't want to spend $1200 on a GPU that's not remotely close to twice as good as the $500 Navi GPU looks to be, even if the $1200 GPU he can get now is still better.
I'm not even satisfied with 1Tb. I'll get 4Tb with Optane and an SSD tiered eventually for secondary drive.

>>70844206
>it is, why [is it popular]?
Because when more people buy a thing over other things that makes it popular.
>Depends, some select monitors can provide blur reduction/ULMB/MRB and any analog of it while also providing freesync/g-sync.
>But those are more of an exception rather than common. I am not entire sure but I think it was BenQ monitor that had that option, could be wrong though.
Fair enough.
>Not at all if you are gaming and moving your camera around a lot. Turn your head, and your entire world does not look like it's blurred, it does not look like its smeared in vaseline. This translate to a huge difference of comfort and actually seeing the image clearly while there is lot of motion.
You don't see a sharp image when you don't focus your eyes on something and you spin around.
The UFO example is pretty extreme, which yes is similar to spinning around quickly in a game. It's not going to make people's names over their heads super blurry when you're looking at them or they're running across the screen. It's reasonably light on the blur.

Sure you can get TN's which while not blurred a little still have ghosting like you showed, but you're sacrificing other things for that and... again, still have some ghosting. Nothing's perfect. I think the LG VA is really damn good compared to the other options.

>> No.70844382

>>70844305
Sorry yeah I meant Crucial I always mix them up lol

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>>70844228
then i will simply pay less money for it, or go the cheapo route and get idk a 1080 for 200bux and wait(tm) next gen

This is the only demanding gaym i've played since Skyrim anyways

>> No.70844445

>>70844257
You know the answer is VA.
There are 0 high end IPS panels with those specs.

>> No.70844455

What could happen if I buy a 10 euro Windows Pro Key on ebay and it is stolen? Would Microsoft log me out of my PC?

I know they are legal here in Germany but I don't know what Microsoft does in such a case

>> No.70844469

>>70844382
Well. A drive is a drive for the most part. You may need to set up a partition in windows disk management but more likely not. As long as it has power and data cable connection it should be good to go.

>> No.70844471

>>70844418
you pay no money to not upgrade at all, think of the price to performance value!

>> No.70844481

>>70844086
>DDR 4400
What means of witchery is this

>> No.70844497

>>70844445
which model?

>> No.70844513
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>>70844455
MS can revoke the license, yes.
Most of the ebay keys aren't stolen, but are instead made for poorer markets where MS legitimately sold them to the resellers for very cheap.

>>70844481
It's possible. That's not even THAT faster given the CL19.
Hell, someone got even tighter timed RAM running on Ryzen.

>> No.70844523

>>70844497
There are only 2, the MSI MAG241C and AOC C24G1. Both have terrible g2g, because they're VA, but still tolerable at 144hz.

>> No.70844554

>>70844513
I just activated it lol literally for free since ebay gave me a 5 euro code

But if they decide to fuck me could they just completely block access to my PC?

https://www.ebay de/itm/Microsoft-Windows-10-Pro-Professional-Key-Vollversion-Code-32-64-Bit-Product/254220003228?epid=26030512358&hash=item3b30b1679c:g:HQQAAOSwgGNcQJMh

I bought this one

>> No.70844596

>>70842865
reapply all thermal paste with excess care to secure everything is covered

if possible spread a thin layer everywhere with a card

if it continues, you need to delid and HOPE its that paste, because if it isnt, you got a broken cpu

>> No.70844638

>>70844554
So the way those cheap CD keys work is that their CD keys for different countries, and to my understanding it's still 'piracy' because you're supposed to buy keys for your country but people crack windows and still update it perfectly fine so I don't see why you'd get in trouble for that, or why'd they go out of their way to block your PC, at worst you'll just have to get another code.

>> No.70844737

2600X on sale for $161 with code SAVE15
>https://www.rakuten.com/shop/thekeykey/product/214019/?sku=214019
9700k for $370, same code
>https://www.rakuten.com/shop/platinum-micro/product/CCBX80684I79700K

That LG VA we were shilling is on sale for $300. >>70843317 >>70843392
>https://www.costco.com/LG-32GK850F-B-32%22-Class-QHD-HDR-FreeSync-Monitor.product.100454130.html

R5 2600 and RX580 8Gb $290 total with code
>https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3909594
If you figure the CPU is $160, that's $130 for the RX580 8Gb.

There's a lot more shit. Newegg, rakutan, ebay sales all going on. Good time to buy.

>> No.70844744

>>70844638
>>70844554
it could be a OEM license for prebuilt computers

>> No.70844754

>>70844638
Ok I understand it. Here in Germany you can sell OEM keys, Microsoft lost a case in court

The 5 euro key is probably from some streetshitterland.

>> No.70844780

>>70844754
I mean they really wont do anything at all if you use those keys anon, Windows doesn't give a shit how you activate it anymore.

>> No.70844796

>>70840733
>wasting his time
Maybe you are new here, this faggot is a literal paid intel employee, ignore him

>> No.70844809

>>70843185
I searched within 100 miles of Paris. Those results should avoid import duties anyone in the Schengen area yes?

>> No.70844866

>>70844809
>Schengen
shenzen?
if so ask them to send as used goods. most sellers and resellers will accept it

brave man you are for doing this

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>>70841934
SIR DELID DIS NOW

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>>70842019
>Same as AMD in gaming
>Worse at everything else
>therefore buy intel
wow i wonder who was behind this post

>> No.70844900

>>70844809
>I searched within 100 miles of Paris. Those results should avoid import duties anyone in the Schengen area yes?
are u trying to import from the EU or the US to which?
And ebay tells you if there's duties bc they have the international thingy since a couple years, and their own shipping thingy for international orders

I bought some shoes from England a couple times

>> No.70844910

What the fuck is it with Windows and two monitors? I cannot drag my open browser from window 1 to windows 2 without doing it really slowly or else it'll get stuck in the corner. The mouse cursor doesn't move either for the lower half and only in the top part. How do I change that?

>> No.70844914

>>70844638
Yes, this is what I explained but he didn't get.
Also Microsoft could simply region-lock activations so those keys aren't used outside their intended market.
They don't, because they'd rather get the $3 or whatever they get from the grey market sales instead of nothing from piracy.

>>70844737
Apparently the 2600 + RX580 deal comes with 4 games.
At ~$40 for The Division 2 and ~$20 for World War Z, you can sell the 4 games for about $120 and you're basically getting the GPU or CPU for almost free.
Note that it can be a bit difficult to sell them since it requires trust as you're selling the AMD Rewards account login and password.
I'd make 2 separate AMD Rewards accounts when redeeming them, too.

>> No.70844947

>>70842019
It's not fine, it only gets those 3 frames if you have literally nothing else open in the background.

Good luck pulling that shit with Discord up too

>> No.70844949

>>70844257
Every fucking thread, I hate you retards.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIACVB8U75201

There are no 24" 8to10 frc panels
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824475030
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA90V80R5473
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIACTN8YK6460
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0JC-0004-00551R

>> No.70844978

>>70844949
Wow it's almost as if 24" displays are reserved for budget monitors with shit panels and scalers.

>> No.70845029

I've got 2 corsair vengeance 8GB 3200 MHz, ROG Strix X470-F mobo but i can't get the ram to run at 3200 MHz? it's only running at 2133 MHz this is my first PC build so i'm stupid but i tried to configure it in the BIOS and it wont work. what am i missing

>> No.70845036

>>70843440
All VA is bad for gayming. Too much smear and blur, gets worse with lower Hz aswell so works like shit with freesync

>> No.70845057

>>70845029
Enable an AMD Extreme Memory Profile.

>> No.70845088

>>70845029
>corsair vengeance
oops
Garbo RAM.
Update bios to latest, enable DOCP and set dram voltage to 1.4v. Hope for the best.

>> No.70845100

>>70845088
so whats good RAM then?

>> No.70845114

>>70845100
Pretty much anything over 3000mhz that isn't corsair vengeance.

>> No.70845142

>>70845100
Read the 2 fucking responses you got you fucktard and try what they said. Holy shit.
You got spoon fed pretty hard and STILL don't get it.

>> No.70845166

>>70845029
look into ram trainning guides and hope for the best

>> No.70845177

>>70845142
i'm responding to a completely different subject, retard. i wasn't originally asking "hurr durr whats a good ram" he said the ram i got was bad so i asked what a better one was. get better at reading comprehension fucker

>> No.70845180

>>70844949
Then which 27inch 1440p with 8bit+FRC to 10bit panel are there?

>> No.70845224

>>70844523
Which one is better? MSI or AOC? They use the same VA panel from Samsung right?

>> No.70845234

>>70845180
The first link faggot, how are you this dumb?

>> No.70845259

>>70845234
doesn't say anywhere about what bit panel it is.

>> No.70845260

>>70845224
Yup exact same panel. AOC apparently has more brightness with the 1ms meme mode enabled, but it locks out freesync on both so basically whichever is cheaper.

>> No.70845376

>>70844144
Thanks bro, 280mm it is. I'm also going to replace the 92mm fan on the nzxt g12 with a noctua.
I'll pick up an ssd. Going to go m.2 because why not. I could actually use a HDD too but at this point I think I'll just buy a 1tb ssd and when I fill it they will be even cheaper so I can skip mechanical storage all together.
I'm very excited to overclock the radeon vii and 9700k. I decoded against nvidia because of how restricted their over clocking is now. Apparently they locked down the voltage, power, bios, and maybe even added further artificial limits in nvapi starting with pascal.

>> No.70845397

>>70842019
I wonder if its better than a 4.9ghz 6600k/7600k/8350k?
Can't decide if I should upgrade or wait for ddr5.

>> No.70845434

I'm trying to decide on the CPU and GPU that will be the foundation of a small form factor living room PC that I will be using primarily for emulation (up to Playstation 2 era) and light gaming, using my 1080p TV as the monitor.

Right now I'm thinking of the R5 2600X and GTX 1660. Is this overkill?

>> No.70845447

>>70839031
What would be the best 64gb kit for the future ryzen release.

>> No.70845538

>>70845447
>64GB
>mainstream platform
no.

>> No.70845625

>>70844146
Show it to us

>> No.70845643

>>70844146
>AMD found a way to liquidate Radeon VII stock before Navi launch and people are actually buying it

wewlad

>> No.70845674

>>70844900
>I bought some shoes from England a couple times
And did you get import duty ?

>> No.70845677

>>70845643
VII will stay top tier, anon. Navi will be 2060 tier

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>>70845224
They are both fine choices.

>>70844086
>>70845376
The other thing I forgot to mention is that 4400CL19 might not be the best RAM. Try and find a kit you're sure you can get at least 7ns true latency.
[email protected] is pretty fucking slow. That's 9.5ns. Even 3400CL14 is faster.
4000CL14, 3666CL13, or 3333CL12 is a reasonable goal.
>I'm also going to replace the 92mm fan on the nzxt g12 with a noctua.
Is that really necessary to use? You can fit about any AIO thanks to the HBM and die being together and the VRM being so overkill.
>I decoded against nvidia because of how restricted their over clocking is now.
Yep, I figured that's why already. Vega is more fun to tinker with.

>>70845643
There is no indication that big Navi is coming out Q3. Probably just the 56CU one.
>>70845677
Leaks seem to indicate 2070 performance for around $330. Which seems reasonable, that's basically a good Vega 56 plus 20-25%.

>>70845538
You don't want more than 32Gb on a mainstream dual channel platform, generally.

>>70845434
Save yourself some money and get the sales >>70844737 There is also a combo with a Sapphire RX580 instead I think.
$300 combo will have no trouble with PS2 emulation. Hell, you can do PS3 emulation on what you're saying. It's Vulkan, after all.
1660 might be a bit better, but you'll be spending nearly another $100.

>> No.70845739

>>70845674
Yea but eBay tells u how much it is beforehand and handles it so just look it up

>> No.70845750

>>70845715
>get the sales
Thanks for looking out but I should have specified I'm in the UK. You reckon 2600/RX580 is plenty?

>> No.70845782

>>70845538
>>70845715
>no 64 GB

But wat about muh vm

>> No.70845787

>>70845715
>2070 performance for around $330
This destroys Radeon VII

Radeon VII is above 2070 performance, but below 2080 performance, at $700.

2070 Performance at $330, even $400 would destroy the Radeon VII.

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>>70844321
>>70845625

>>70844353
I'm not sure, I was originally going to waterloop it, but after seeing it in person I don't know if I will unless the noise is just absolutely unbearable. Like I said, I was under the impression that the shroud was plastic like my V64 was, but it's actually really high quality.

>>70845643
>>70845677
This, from what I've seen the R7 will remain the flagship. If it doesn't, I will probably not need more for now and am ok with the purchase. With the games and shirt, etc. it cost me less than a regular R7 technically.

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>>70845789
>>70845787
R7 might match a 2080 in some games, but yeah, if they introduce something that comes close for $330 it will be the obvious choice for the budget minded.

I could have saved some money and got a used 1080ti, but really I just bought this card because I wanted it.

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>>70845814

>> No.70845850
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>>70845829
This last touch alone makes me like this card immensely. I wish all my cards had black IO shields and now I'm going to be removing and painting them all most likely.

>> No.70845851

On a scale ranging from 1 to 10 how retarded of an idea is it to play modern fps on a 1280x1024 19" monitor? The thing seems like a damn steal at that price but i'm worried bf1 will look shit on it

>> No.70845883

>>70845851
Just get a used 1080p monitor for like $40 bucks at your thrift store, grandpa, if you can't even afford the $80 bucks for a 1080p 60Hz monitor.

>> No.70845884

>>70845851
The resolution is low, but on a smaller monitor at a normal viewing distance it may not be all that bad. I'd be more bothered by the refresh rate.

>> No.70845905

>>70845884
Welp the thing is 5ms / 60hz, so basically like my current monitor. Its more recent too. Just the res that's lower from looking at the specs

Should be good enough i reckon? Hopefully heh

>> No.70846045

>>70845750
For PS2? lmao yes. PS2 is so easy to emulate now days. Even a 2400G can do around 30fps in a lot of PS2 games.
For what you're making, you can somewhat passably do PS3 emulation.

>>70845787
It's around the same as 2080 performance and has more overclocking unlocked.
So no, there is still a market for the Radeon VII.

Just look at..
$300-$350 Vega56 or 2060
For $420-$550 you Vega 64 or 2070 that's only like 10-15% better.
For $700 the 2080 or Radeon VII which is only another 25-30% better.
Then $1200 for the 2080Ti that's again just another 25% or so again. Huge price increases for small gains.

The diminishing returns are immense, but people still pay it. $330 for 2070 performance isn't going to kill that $700 card market just like those $420-$550 cards don't kill that market already.

>>70845789
Yeah, I've heard the noise is completely over blown due to the pitch not being too bad.

>>70845851
11.
You can get [email protected] for $80 or $90.
Some games don't even support 5:4.

>> No.70846087

>>70845850
how much was it?
im looking at options and for a future upgrade it would have to be around 2070 power but with any hopes cheaper that it

>> No.70846108

>>70846087
$700 from the AMD site, they aren't available on Newegg from what I saw. Comes with the special box, division 2/wwZ, the code for the shirt, etc.

It doesn't cost more than the regular variant like the 2700x did for whatever reason.

>> No.70846422
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70846422

ok, i think i've decided on my final build.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/PrivateJoker27/saved/KVr6RB

going to be playing vidya games and doing adobe photoshop / illustrator work, some video editing in premiere, lots of dual screen multitasking. might take up after effects / blender soon as well. 1440p / 60hz. wanted to keep it under 1300 but i was told the 3200mhz RAM was worth the extra price on Ryzen. case is purely an aesthetic choice, i know i can get good cases cheaper i just really like the design on the meshify and it looks nice and spacey to work in compared to my Corsair Carbide 200R.

thoughts?

>> No.70846444

>>70846422
Literally what I just bought with exception of a few things.

>> No.70846457

>>70846422
memory is always better for applications so that was a good investment since you will keep this for the likes of 5 years

honest suggestion since you have gone amd, wait for the new amd cpus to make a choice. at the worse case scenario you might find 2700x used for cheaper

also why 3 HDDs instead of just 1 big HDD?

>> No.70846515

>>70846422
Get one SSD for your main drive and a 128Gb to use as your scratch disk for photoshop and video editing.
You can get a 500Gb MX500 plus a 128Gb more value NVMe for the price of the 970 evo.
Taichi is not a value board. It's for extreme overclocking, which I don't get the impression you'll be doing. You should save money and get the Tomahawk or something.
Other than that, seems like you're ready to just buy it.

>> No.70846573

Make a new thread, you fucking stupid niggers.

>> No.70846584

>>70846573
Bump limit is 310, no reason to make a new thread yet.

>> No.70846619

With Windows 10, how can I make a game display on my 1080p monitor instead of my 4k one?

>> No.70846626

>>70845829
>>70845850
Either small card or big hands

>> No.70846630

>>70846619
unironically set that monitor as display 1

>> No.70846675

>>70846630
Thanks, another question. Why can I not drag my mouse over to the second monitor at the side all the way? It only works in the top 30%, the rest it just gets stuck

>> No.70846682

>>70846619
just change the primary display in the display settings.

I do it all the time when switching from my 43" 4k 60hz to my 27" 1440p 144hz

>> No.70846729

>>70846682
>tfw can't decide if I should replace my 60hz 1080p with a 1440p or get rift s first

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>>70845434 here
first draft

>> No.70846739

>>70846729
I had a first gen vive, and sold it. I wont be touching VR for another generation or two at least.

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>>70841206
yes best bang for buck for vrms

>> No.70846760

>>70846675
thats odd, might need to google that

>> No.70846777

New thread

>>70846772
>>70846772
>>70846772

>> No.70846934

>>70846457
yeah im coming off the back of a pc i built in jan 2015 so longevity is important to me.

the reason im upgrading is also the same reason im not waiting for new models or fall sales though, my graphics card is dying (i think) and im trying to get a summer internship and my PC is currently unbearably laggy so i just want to build it now, even if im not getting the best bang for my buck. if i could wait until black friday sales i'd probably give myself a higher budget and go intel. Honeslty if my PC wasnt dying i'd probably use it for another year or two, (i5 4690k + 16gb DDR3 + GTX 970) but i need to get back to work and it's about time for a refresh anyways.

>also why 3 HDDs instead of just 1 big HDD?

over the 4 years ive had my pc it just sorta worked out that way, also once you experience a HDD failure without a backup and you lose months of work, life photos and videos etc you take any precaution necessary lol. the 2TB is my photos, videos, music and all my design / film work. I also have a backup for that drive. the other 1TBs are a combination of the original 1TB i replaced from the failed one in the initial build, and a 1TB WD Black my friend gave me for a stupid cheap price. I use them for games and easily replacable programs because im not worried about them failing. i could probably combine the two 1TBs but i'm lazy lol. maybe i'll pick one up on black friday.

>>70846515
i just realized i forgot to put it in there, but i'll wipe the 250GB evo SSD from my current build and put it in there too.

also thanks for the info on the board. i was recommended that one in a previous thread. i probably wont be doing much overclocking. i've had this i5-4690k since 2015 and i havent once even tried to OC it.

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mainboard: Z390 AORUS XTREME WATERFORCE
CPU:I7 8086K
RAM: Thermaltake WaterRam RGB Liquid Cooling Memory 32GB
GPU: 2X Aorus GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Xtreme Waterforce WB 11G, 11264 MB GDDR6 as SLI Build
Case: Corsair 1000D
PSU: BeQuiet Dark Power Pro P11 modular PSU - 1200 Watt
M2 SSD: 970 EVO Plus NVMe M.2 SSD 1TB M2 cooling: Aqua Computer kryoM.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 SSD-Adaptercard
radiators: 4x 480mm EK Waterblocks EK-CoolStream PE 480
Resrevoir: 4x Phanteks Glacier R220 Reservoir, RGB LED
Fans: Corsair LL120 RGB Dual Light Loop PWM Fan - 120mm
Pumps: D5

>> No.70847148

Any reason why I would want a faster SSD than Adata SU800? Primarily for gaming, and I don't expect to be using more than one VM at any given moment.

>> No.70847183

>>70847137
whats wrong with EK parts?
and Thermaltake?
the Phanteks reservoir looks good, is thinner than the round ones you got a better idea?

nah the 8086K has a higher base clock speed and a higher boost. and i have one from "der 8auer" with a pure silver IHS for better thermal conductivity

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I'm considering this build. A bit more expensive than I want but I'm coming from a desktop replacement laptop running a i7-2630QM from over 7 years ago I don't mind paying around ~$1400
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DPx2J8

I wasn't quite sure with some stuff as I haven't built a PC since the mid 2000s but I tried to get things that were compatible.
I value multi tasking over pure gaming power, and i understand that AMD would probably fit the task more than adequately for a considerably lower price, but I was advised by a friend that the next series of chips may come out soon so I didn't bother building an alt system yet.

Realistically I am aiming to build this around mid July. Any thing I can change or consider?

>> No.70848659

>>70839170
Rtx2080, 1080p running at 60 fps on ultra absolutely fine.

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