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https://www.techpowerup.com/255099/possible-listings-of-amd-ryzen-9-3800x-ryzen-7-3700x-ryzen-5-3600x-surface-in-online-stores

>16 cores, Turbo up to 4.7GHz on ALL (meaning 100% stable 4.2 and 4.4 on ALL are GUARANTEED)
>12 cores, Turbo up to 5GHz
>8 cores, Turbo up to 5GHz

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>>70837492

>> No.70837572

costs: 6000 dollars

>> No.70837577

>>70837572
probably less than $500

>> No.70837606

>>70837572
>AMD
>Anything above 1500$
>Ever
You must be new here, Intoddler.

>> No.70837640

>>70837606
what about threadripper and radeon instinct

>> No.70837654

>>70837640
Gen1 Threadripper started at 1000$, roughly ~4 months later it got a price cut to 900$, nowadays it can be bought for ~700$ in some places. And that's for the TOP model.

>> No.70837663

>>70837186
Rest in peace fucking intel

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>>70837186

>> No.70837680

>>70837654
I meant EPYC

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>>70837654
Please tell me where you can get pic related for $700. I'm itching for a new cpu.

>> No.70837687

>>70837186
let's not get too excited tho, this is not really a legit source of information lads


3600X looks too good to be true desu and no I'm not shilling Intel here, I own an r5 2600

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>>70837680
Top tier EPYC, even though expensive for normies, is still light ages below Inturd pricing-wise, WHILE owning golden and platinum Zionist turds in the ass nonstop. LOOK, JUST FUCKING LOOK AT 'DIS:

>> No.70837705

>>70837686
Learn to read and comprehend, Intbecile.

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>>70837186
Will it run on my msi a320m grenade motherboard? And what ram should I get?

>> No.70837741

>>70837720
Zen 2 won't support lowest tier. You'd need a B 3xx board at the very minimum (B 4xx is a 100% guarantee).

>> No.70838050

>>70837741
Sucks. I hate to reinstall Windows.

>> No.70838079

>>70838050
It's only you yourself to blame for chimping out and giving into the "cheapest board is fine for AMD" meme. This is not AM 3 days anymore, matey.

>> No.70838084

>>70838050
So install Linux instead.

>> No.70838089

>>70837186
Plus extra latency due to chiplet and io chip abomination

>> No.70838099

>>70838050
if you're on win10 you don't have to reinstall it even if you are doing complete switch (like amd+amd to nvidia+intel or w/e).

shit just werks man

>> No.70838106

>>70838089
The inter-CCX and inter-core latency was already improved drastically in Zen+, and they've made even more improvements since then, you dumb fuck.

>> No.70838109

>>70838089
Nice cope there intcel

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>>70838099

>> No.70838142

Found the cockroach thread. All you have to do is lift the fridge and voila. AMD drones scatter everywhere.

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>>70838142

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>>70838154

Daily reminder to buy AMD

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>>70838159

>> No.70838170

>>70838099
instability and crashes on that

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>>70838142

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>>70838159
Impressive how those retarded vodka drinkers managed to fuck up a benchmark that hard.

>> No.70838237 [DELETED] 

They all seem to congregate to AMD shilled PCbuilding threads and poor threads, Their natural habitat includes trash filled bedrooms, Feeding from the government, And trying to justify their poorness all in one thread.

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>>70838225

Try again.

>> No.70838267 [DELETED] 

>>70838237
I like AMD, but /pcbg/ has turned into an endless shitpost cpu war.

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>>70838225
>>70838239

>> No.70838287

>>70838277
Nice memory gimp

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>>70838237
>their poorness
Jude spotted.

>> No.70838301

>>70838170
Dunno, I've had the same win10 installed since mid2016, changed mobos 3 times, one of them was intel -> amd switch.

Never had any issues what so ever.

>> No.70838302

>>70838277
2933MHz is Zen+'s minimal spec, you Intbecile. And 2666MHz is Inturd's minimal spec for that CPoo.

>> No.70838311

>>70838302
Meant for >>70838287.

>> No.70838330

>>70838239
Intel non-K chips can consistently reach their base clocks and boost clocks on a stock cooler. What kind of retard spends money on an upgraded cooler on a non OC chip?

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>>70838302

Feels good to have 4000mhz ram and click X.M.P to have it actually work.

>> No.70838839

>>70838342
Zen can do that too, Intbecile. You're clearly missing on the whole point of >>70838277 test while you're damage controlling and coping in tears so hard.

>> No.70838867

>>70838839
Going to need proof on that. Memory controller explodes

>> No.70838877

>>70838839
Lol, Cope for what?

>> No.70838952

>>70838877
That Inturd poo is more expensive than Zen equivalent. You literally pay more for less.

>> No.70838970

>>70838952
If Zen 2 outperforms a 9900K in single core and overclocking ability, I'll buy it to. :)

>> No.70839008

I'm smiling so much my teeth are falling out

>> No.70839015

No prices confirmed for them? I'm looking forward to buy something for ~200€

>> No.70839064

>>70838970
It already was shown utterly OBLITERATING 9900K while consuming only HALF the wattage, you slowpoke fuck.

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>>70839064

>Bias benchmark
>AMD

Here ya go. Obliterated.

>> No.70839086

>>70839064
Zen 2 will still be slower, I don't buy latency ridden shit.

>> No.70839106

total bullshit overhype under deliver same old AMD story

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>>70839072
Here ya go, obliterated.

>> No.70839120

>>70839086

--> >>70838106.

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>>70839113
>Having to compare a 32 core with an 8 core while using R20. Ok i'll bite.

>> No.70839145

>>70839113
Kek, Wheres that single core score poorfag?

>> No.70839199

>>70839139
>One 32 core for 900$ beats two 30 core Zionist turds for 8000$ each, while also getting dangerously close to beating THE most expensive Inturd CPoo currently available on the market
>Intbecile is so buttmad about this that he doesn't even notice it's not even any EPYC, but a mere THREADRIPPER, kek

>> No.70839206

>>70838166
>power consumption
>Watts (more is better)

>> No.70839215 [DELETED] 

>>70838292
>price
> US Dollars (higher is better)

>> No.70839226

>>70839199
I forgot you guys are poor. I have no use for any of those chips nor do you. Beside, I don't want shit latency.

>> No.70839230

>>70839206
How the hell do you effectively dissipate 800w on such a small die?

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>Ryzen is cooler. Pffffff

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>>70839206
>>70839215

>> No.70839259

>>70839247
>Intbecile is SO BUTT-HURT out of his miserable dumb sorry ass, that he can't count 2+2 and "doesn't notice" the >>70838166 is for CPU alone while >>70839247 is for entire system

>> No.70839262

>>70838166
higher is better
checkmate

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>>70839199

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>>70839259

lol

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>>70839226

http://images2.imagebam.com/3f/26/60/c63a8f1150545954.gif

>> No.70839297

>>70839276
>Higher TDP
>Almost trice the price
>Barely any increase in performance
LOL indeed.

>> No.70839315

>>70839262
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>> No.70839360

>>70839297
You pay a premium if you want the best poorfag. :)

>> No.70839370

>>70839360
>if you want best poorfag
But I don't want you anywhere near me, Intcel.

>> No.70839388

>>70839370
kek, btfo once again

>> No.70839420

>>70839276
>paying almost twice as much for a 10% performance increase
good goy

>> No.70839434

>>70839388
Yes, Intbeciles been BTFO'd all over the place throughout the entirety of the timeline when Zen began it's existence. Not even a week without a massive fuck-up by Judes.

>> No.70839446

>>70839420
It's not even 10% and it's way more than just twice, because Zen's price dropped somewhat since then, while Inturd didn't cut a slightest cent. They never do.

>> No.70839486

>>70837186
Why does this same shitty ''''''''''leak'''''''''' keep getting reposted on different sites as if it has an legitimacy?

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>>70839486

>> No.70839507

>>70839486
A sucker is born every minute

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I run a high res monitor. I don't have time for AMD's shittery.

>> No.70839943

>>70839934
High refresh i meant.

>> No.70840020

>>70839934
>GayNexus
CLEARLY you have a lot of shittery in your anal roster bitch ass.

>> No.70840030

>>70840020
I don't care.

>> No.70840102

>>70840030
>Кoк-пoк
Яcнo, пoнятнo.

>> No.70840247 [DELETED] 

Why are amd fans such an angry crowd?

They can't make it to the end of their posts without insults and namecalling

>> No.70840261 [DELETED] 

>>70840247
Their fans usually do fly apart during high loads.

>> No.70840267 [DELETED] 

>>70840261
kek based

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>>70837186
>>16 cores, Turbo up to 4.7GHz on ALL (meaning 100% stable 4.2 and 4.4 on ALL are GUARANTEED)
>>12 cores, Turbo up to 5GHz
>>8 cores, Turbo up to 5GHz
WAIT FOR 10NM

>> No.70840417

>>70838166
More housefires GUD

>> No.70840466

>>70839934
>shitel can't do 144fps
NONO MUH MONITOR

>> No.70840496

>>70839934
>1080p
>medium settings
>137.5 average fps
dare I say [email protected] is dead?

>> No.70840509

>>70840466
I'm sitting here playing witcher 3 maxed out at 144 fps with the riva tuner frame cap. I won't touch amd for high frame rates ever in my life. Why would i buy something that's in second place?

>> No.70840525

>>70840496
Absolutely not actually. 80% of everyone is running 1080p in steam. i'd rather have 138.5fps than 90. Sorry.

>> No.70840628

>>70840525
at medium settings?
nah man Id rather play @60 high settings

>> No.70840704

>>70840628
You really need to see the benefit of a 144hz monitor. You'll wonder why you stuck with 60hz

>> No.70840777

Take leaks with a fistful of NaCl
Let's see the reviews & benchmark after official release
Great if true, if not I'll just hold on to my 2500k

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>>70840409

>> No.70841123

>>70839360
Thats how you bankrupt yourself when doing professional any work.

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>>70841123

>> No.70841269

>>70837186
This sounds like a god damn house fire man. I would avoid it not becouse of botnet but in fear to burn alive around AMD cpu. Just think about it. In old days single core or dual core 3.4GHz burnt like a motherfucker. Imagine 16 cores at 5Ghz turbo.
Just few questions.
>what is TDP?
>required cooling?
>and does it come with few tens of K for new house when one burns down?

>> No.70841327

>>70841269
125w
212
No

>> No.70841359 [DELETED] 

>>70841327

Yeah it's going to run at 125w when doing heavy AVX. This is how deluded drones are at the moment, Always longing for a product that will satisfy their buyers remorse.

>> No.70841428

>>70837680
How would you put an epyc in a laptop.

>> No.70841441

>>70841327
125 w. Jesus christ. Does it need 3 phase electricity to run too? My current laptop is 15/35 w and old as fuk Celeron D is 95w. Tdp. U realise 17 year old cpu needs more Voltage and IS lower W. These AMD cpu will burn down house some day, mark my words :D

>> No.70841478 [DELETED] 

>>70841359
>>70841441
These are shitposts right? They don't make sense in English.

>> No.70841528

>>70837186
ice lake is getting released maybe a month or two after this and will completely obliterate it

>> No.70841535 [DELETED] 

>>70841478
Show us the light drone, We's ignernt

>> No.70841538 [DELETED] 

>>70841478
Open a map and look at the eastern edge of the mediterramenunean sea

>> No.70841562 [DELETED] 

Who else comfy 2700x here?
Gonna wait for ddr5 and am5
Memory is a massive bottleneck for Zen

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>>70841562
You got that right.

>> No.70841579

>>70837680
Cope more Mahmud

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Looking at this threads results made me think for sure that my i7 was a bit much for my gpu, but this says they're paired very well. Nice.
https://pc-builds.com/calculator/Core_i7-6700K/Radeon_RX_480/0Fn0UZf2/

>> No.70841625

>>70840509
>posts a game with no 144fps CPU in sight
>changes game
So this....is the power....of kike propaganda

>> No.70841626

>>70838239
yeah they should have OC the intel chips too :^)

>> No.70841629 [DELETED] 

>>70841578
Vulkan was a stuttering mess in that game.
And I run 4k 100hz so I don't give a fuck reslet

>> No.70841649

>>70841592
my 1600 with a gtx1080 makes 0% that stuff is bullshit

>> No.70841680

>>70841528
INTEL 10NM SUPERPOWER WILL BTFO ZEN 2

>> No.70841696

>>70841626
Locked features don't matter

>> No.70841706

>>70837577
>>70837606
Price doesn't matter

>> No.70841718

>>70837654
HEDT doesn't matter

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>>70841625
Pegged 24/7

>> No.70841733

>>70837705
Reading comprehension doesn't matter

>> No.70841744

>>70838166
800W housefires don't matter

>> No.70841747

>>70841578
>8600 is better than 8700
>and 7700>8700 with 9700>9900
lel

>> No.70841748 [DELETED] 

>>70838302

>> No.70841767

>>70841747
Logic doesn't matter

>> No.70841771

>>70841747
You have fun now :)

>> No.70841783

>>70841629
Stutters don't matter

>> No.70841795

>>70841720
AMD might get 90 FPS on a good OC day. lel

>> No.70841797

>>70837720
>>70837741
All AM4 boards are technically compatible with Zen 2. As long as your VRM is good enough and you have appropriate microcode in BIOS - you can run it.

>> No.70841799

>>70839420
Price/Performance doesn't matter

>> No.70841815

>>70839297
TDP doesn't matter

>> No.70841821

>>70841783
Dx11/12 works fine

>> No.70841847

>>70841720
Butter

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>>70841592
>30% GPU bottleneck with 1600X and GTX1060 6GB

>> No.70841875

>>70841848
He's trying to make himself feel better, Don't worry about it.

>> No.70841900

>>70841720
148 fps, stay ugly, poor and mad >>70838277

>> No.70841926

>>70841900
I have a 9900K at 5ghz all core you dolt.

>> No.70841940

>>70841900
BTFO

>> No.70843428 [DELETED] 

>>70837186
To understand an AMD drone you first must understand the mindset of the person. An AMD drone is more likely to be someone that feels like they're being persecuted. it's usually someone who's been very unsuccessful in life. They are likely to have an unsuccessful job and are poor. They fell like others are responsible for their failures. As a result, they relate to AMD. They think the big bad Nvidia and Intel all are bullying them. Much like how AMD drones IRL have been bullied.
So, they over hype AMD products. Why?
Because they think if AMD is successful, their own life will be successful.
However, when the real product is released and is far below expectations; an AMD drone will blame Intel or Nvidia. They will then start hyping up the next product.

This mindset of blaming others and unrealistic expectations is how a BETA male thinks.
They are too immature to look at themselves and see the flaws.
I know this because at one time I was in the same position waiting for the i7 beating Bulldozer.
After maturing a lot, I discarded this mindset after I realized that I was the problem.
After losing my virginty and getting a Girlfriend, I further realized just how damaging that old mind set was.

This is how an AMD drone thinks.
Remember this.

>> No.70844010

>>70841926
Still can't outperform a 1/4 the cost cpu in witcher3
Thats cope

>> No.70844030

>>70837492
>>70837511
He left the company a while ago, upgrade your memes.
On a side note, the current CEO wants to leave too. What a shitshow for a company.

>> No.70844191

>>70837186
>>70837492
>>70837511
based

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>>70844030
>the current CEO wants to leave too. What a shitshow for a company.
Hmmmmmmmm

>> No.70844342

>>70844207
fun fact, he was the CFO of Intel and they promoted him to CEO even though he didn't want the position. Investors are skeptical. SELL SELL SELL

>> No.70844739

>>70837492
To this day, i cant fathom how his plain old job picture he took at intel somehow represents the despair intel has been in for the past 2 years
He looks like he has lost his will to live decades ago

>> No.70844851

>>70841578
Lmao the charts will flip once zen2 is benched.
Intel is dead in the water.

>> No.70845086

>>70841578
>tfw own Ryzen 5 2600
>tfw get BTFO'd by Haswell
I want to die

>> No.70845171

Literal AMDoredTV fake """leaks"""

First it was the Russians, then Viets and Turks

All of AMDoredTV's fake clickbait turned out to be misleading and fake, the only reason the real tech journos and Jewtubers don't call him out is he's basically the king AMDrone

If he weren't the king of AMDrones all the tech journos would have called him out already just like they do with other smaller rumor mill outfits

>> No.70845286

>>70839206

Lmao. Well when you get that high it is actually quite impressive.

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>>70841528

>> No.70845510
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>>70841718

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>>70844030
>>70844191
>>70844207
>>70844342
>>70844739

>> No.70845784

>>70845510
delid

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>>70845784

>> No.70845998

>>70845171
Can you give an example?

>> No.70846490

>>70845998
>Asking of a Jude to be sincere
Pottery.

>> No.70846720

>>70846490
oyyyy veeeeeyyyyyyyy

>> No.70846740

>>70841926
>9900k gets BTFO by 2600X
NONONONO

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:)

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>>70846776

>> No.70846880

>>70838342
>9900K
>there are dumbasses who bought this shit

>> No.70846904

>>70846880
>There are utter INTBECILES that bought 9980XE

>> No.70847513

>>70841875
But does 1060 actually bottleneck a R5 to that extent? I don't think I trust that assessment.

>> No.70848023

>>70846904
Yeah, like, all 10 of them.

>> No.70848239

>>70848023
all 9 of them. Die number ten burned the fab down

>> No.70848618

>>70847513
Not at all.

>> No.70849342

>>70848239
Needs more chillers

>> No.70849402
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>>70845998
here are his CES "leaks" that he was very confident on.

But if you want more proof just look at how all he does is make "leak" and rumor videos that have the descriptions full of affiliate links and links to his pateron.

>> No.70849445

>>70849402
These chips aren't even out yet
I asked for real examples that have real evidence behind them

>> No.70849494
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70849494

It's hilarious to me that intel posters are all so Danish. I feel sorry for you guys.

>> No.70849613

>>70839072
>tries to call out bias
>by pretending b die ram with 40% greater frequency is anywhere near comparable to stock 2666 ram they ran in both benches
not only a hypocrite but also a fucking idiot too

>> No.70849700

>>70838170
I have done 3 motherboard changes on this current Windows 10 install over the past 4 years (1 warranty replacement that was upgraded to a slightly higher tier due to stock shortage, then 1 intentional upgrade) and the only crash I've had was a single bluescreen well over a year ago.

Stop living in 2008.

>> No.70850168

>>70849700
>Stop living in 2005

>> No.70850557
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>tfw you were considering just pulling the trigger on the 9900k but you put your faith in based lisa and waited

>> No.70850584
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LOOK AT IT GO

>> No.70850607
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70850607

>>70850557

>> No.70850710

>>70837680
>I meant
>I meant

>> No.70850725

>>70837186
If this ends up being true will my shitty TUF b450 board be enough for a 3700x or will I need a new one?

>> No.70850768

>>70850725

See >>70837741.

>> No.70851220

>>70850725
https://www.techpowerup.com/255220/asrock-releases-next-gen-amd-cpu-bios-updates-for-socket-am4-motherboards talking about "speaking of the devil", kek.

>> No.70851473
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>>70849613
Woops wrong pic, I wasn't paying attention. Here's 2666mhz ram.

>> No.70851494

>>70841900
I have it capped at 144, It will go 200 if i let it. Drones are retarded fucks.

>> No.70851526
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>>70850584

Truly embarrassing.

>> No.70851560
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>>70844010
btfo once again.

>> No.70851600

>>70846740
It's called a frame cap. I'm using 144fps for my monitor.

>> No.70851726

>>70851560
Totally mate, your 700€ cpu is faster than a 160€ cpu and needs a 360 rad to stay under 100°C
BTFO indeed

>> No.70851740
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>>70851526
Indeed it is.

>> No.70851747
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>>70839072
Your ram speed is 3800mhz.
CES presentation was at 2666mhz jedec.
This represents a delta of about ~60cb
Rebench at 2666mhz I dare you.

>> No.70851770

>>70851726
>>70851740

Undervolted and cool, Get a job

>> No.70851784

>>70851747
see>>70851473

I posted the wrong pic

>> No.70851800

>>70851747
I'm sure you'll try and find something else wrong.

>> No.70851821

>>70841428
really big laptop

>> No.70851880

>>70851821
Each core would have to only run at 800mhz for it to even be functional

>> No.70851888
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>>70851770

>> No.70851922

>>70851888
Mine gets nowhere near that. I'm undervolted so it's cooler by 20c. ryzen stays cool because it's shit at AVX workloads. I'm sure they'll fix it this coming zen 2 and it'll be just as big of a house fire.

>> No.70851934
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>>70851922

>> No.70851935

My 8700k has been running at 4.7 ghz for a few years now
Amdfags btfo

>> No.70851955

>>70851473
>4.7 on 8 cores
Is this the processor that Intel pretends is 95W yet can't be cooled by a NH-D15?

>> No.70851959
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70851959

>>70851473
Come on, now set it to JEDEC timings like at CES. I see your tightened timings.
You can do it, I believe in you.
J E D E C
E
D
E
C

They're the default how hard is it?

>> No.70851986

>>70851959
sigh....hold on.

>> No.70852005

>>70851959
Which setting you want me to use?

>> No.70852033

>>70837186

what ever,no different for old ryzen.
and more and more intels cpus going win,wait end of year.

tdp is just that high what is should be with more cores or clocks...none upgrade.!!!

looks same effect ike gpu sector, fury,vega and radeon vii...no different
well radeon vii was 7nm gpu, but not belive it! so lausy efficiency,and still slow!

ok, cputdp also same...there is anyhting new,just different name....i wonder how long amd can sell product with no profit..well looks that no longer...sooner or later its eat hole company and debt givens not tolerance more...end of 2020 is my guess.

hmm. i try really see different from ryzen 2000 series,but no....oh yeah... more cores..but is it only trend or commercial way.
you dont need more than total max 6 cores for gaming,even 4-core is enough. easily.
more than that is waist of cash, no matter how much its cost.

and,i still see not any goodies from amd 32-core cpu...erhh i mean where to use thouse??!! tell me..

200-cores cpu.... so what!

no help gaming,apzz or rendering...useless.

another hand, real pro rendering use always intels cpus...why??

well,buy them amd fans, you keep amd up and pay them callary...youself you give so little back.
except red fine main...lol

>> No.70852044

>>70851935
>years
it has barely been out for a year

>> No.70852054

>>70851935
http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/CPU/COFFEE-SANDY/COFFEE-SANDY-50.jpg

http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/CPU/COFFEE-SANDY/COFFEE-SANDY-66.jpg

>> No.70852104
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70852104

>>70851959
What else do you want me to gimp?

>> No.70852112

>>70852005
Feel free to use the fastest one (c17)

>> No.70852132

>>70852112
I'm sure it's within margin of error.

>> No.70852142
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>>70852104
Nothing else I just get a stiffy for accuracy.
Thx m8.

>> No.70852168
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70852168

>>70852104
Something doesn't add up here.

>> No.70852207

>>70852168
To be fair on anon, its now bordering along the edge of margin of error

>> No.70852216

>>70852104
>>70852168
If anything zen 2 will be neck and neck for sure, But at a cheaper price.

>> No.70852241

>>70852216
Allcore overclocking to 5ghz would be a game changer for me. I'd sell my 9900K and buy the 12core variant for the money i got from the 9900k.

>> No.70852294
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>>70852168
Does it matter?

>> No.70852336

>>70852294
Absolutely not. I think were coming up on brick walls for both processors desu, We probably won't see a single core perf leap ever again.

>> No.70852352

>>70852336
lol why did it say desu?

>> No.70852368

>>70852104
what battle are you trying to fight here? 30p? 140?
The new AMD will p0wn your score once somebody oc's it and it will use less energy too.
And wait for all the oh no no nos once someone wins the silicon lottery.

>> No.70852431

>>70852104
https://warosu.org/g/thread/S70752182#p70752826
OHHHHHHHHHHHHH LOOOK AT HIS LIPS

>> No.70852473

>>70839247
>Higher is better
Lmao

>> No.70852551

>>70852431
Whoever owns that rig has absolutely no idea what he's doing.....holy shit.

>> No.70852557
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>>70852368
Sure it will buddy, It will hit a brick wall just like the last one.

>> No.70852596
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>>70852557
wait till you see the pfhuhahahaha ... oh no no no... PFHHHHAAAAAA

>> No.70852598
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>>70852431
>Takes no time to read thread
>Retarded as absolute shit.

Drones try and pounce on anything they see before understanding pic related.

>> No.70852608

>>70852596
That's.....terrible.

>> No.70852627

>>70852596
You're not helping

>> No.70852629

>>70852608
>$200

>> No.70852678
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>>70852596
Your point?

>> No.70852734

>>70852678
SAME SCORE OOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH
>that would be $500 + $100 motherboard tax sir :)

>> No.70852741

>>70852678
Imagine buying a house thats 10% bigger for twice-thrice the price.
Who wouldnt call you an idiot?

>> No.70852770

>>70852368
>>70852431
>>70852596
>>70852629
>>70852734
>>70852741
All just one pathetic street shitter samefagging the thread. A true hero to amd shills.

>> No.70852790

Imagine buying unsupported slow inferior hardware, I can't.

>> No.70852801

>>70838106
Zen it's still a shit show on latency game despite any shit you say, including the fact that infinity glue is tied to a shit memory controller that requires unicorn memory to go beyond 3000.
The only thing amd is probably doing to reduce the abysmal latency is to add more l3, but you can expect even shittier latencies on a poor mc on io die

>> No.70852829
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>>70852770
WRONG

>> No.70852926

>>70851747
That's like saying that you must benchmark drag racing motors with regular gasoline. They run on nitromethane, that's what you test them with.

>> No.70852941

>>70851747
Wtf r15 isn't affected by ram meaningfully. Cache latencies affect your scores but not ram speed.

>> No.70852956

>>70852801
>have a 2600 with shitty corsair ram and a cheap ASUS motherboard
>able to overclock it to 3200mhz with no problems

>> No.70852992

>>70852801
You can reach 3466mhz easily and stable with cl15 timings on Ryzen 7 2700x.

>> No.70853118

>>70841720
>meet butt plug at mother long chair cemetery
Why do people think French words automatically make something sophisticated.

>> No.70853307
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70853307

>>70850607
>the world is faging

>> No.70853360

>>70851935
2700x running at 4ghz allcore
I don't need more than 100fps minimums

>> No.70854318

>>70851494
>still seething

>> No.70854327

>>70851955
delid dis

>> No.70854360

>>70839247
>higher is better
SHITEL IS FINISHED

>> No.70854375

>>70852678
>9900k at 4.7GHz gets beaten by 2700x at 4.4GHz
OH NONONONONONONNO

>> No.70854441

>>70852033
This pasta is so dumb.

>> No.70854453

>>70852216
Mid-tier (not even top) Zen 2 was already shown utterly BTFO'ing 9900K, all while Zen 2 being in an ES state and consuming half as less power.

>> No.70854471

>>70852801
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>> No.70854473

>>70854441
It's just inteljeet pasta, I think it's really funny

>> No.70854483

>>70854453
>consuming half as less power than Zen+
Self-fix.

>> No.70854730

>>70850557
based and redpilled

>> No.70854763

>>70852734
more like 200$+tax for the Mobo, it's a total steal Moshe!

>> No.70854783

>>70851922

Wrong kiddio, the reason is that 14nm silicon needs power to climb beyond 4.5Ghz. This has been a known fact ever since Skylake. TSMC 12/4nm stuff also drinks power when you attempt to climb beyond 4Ghz.

Intel has been factory-overclocking their shit ever since Zen came to the block. It is only the card they have in their deck ever since 10nm process failed to deliver any meaningful results.

Intel-fags don't want to admit it but Intel pretty much forfeited the power efficiency angle they have been building themselves around since Sandy Bridge to keep up being the "fastest". It is P4 Prescott all over again. AMD did the same thing with Bulldozer/Pilediver era stuff too.

>> No.70854835
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70854835

Imagine falling for pozzed housefires.

>> No.70854852

>>70854835
Now imagine Intel 10 cores at 5GHz

PFFFFFSSSSSCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHTTTTTTTTTTTTT

>> No.70854858

>>70854852
anudda shoa

>> No.70855536
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>>70852926
Except when you're trying to recreate a test done with gasoline.

>> No.70855600
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70855600

>>70852926
your motor manufacturer specs the motor to run only on gasoline my man

>> No.70855660

>>70855600
Intel shill BTFO

>> No.70855744
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70855744

THANK YOU BASED AMD

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Computer-CPU-Processors/zgbs/electronics/229189

https://www.amazon.ca/Best-Sellers-Electronics-CPU-Processors/zgbs/electronics/1233052011

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Processors/zgbs/computers/430515031

https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/bestsellers/computers/4913338051

https://www.amazon.de/gp/bestsellers/computers/430177031

>> No.70855895

>>70852168
It's literally the margin of error, Zen2 had a 50/50 chance to win or lose.
Unless they showed a prerecorded win.

And SMT performs better than HT, so comparing multithreaded Cinebench scores doesn't tell the whole story when it comes to closing the gap in single core workloads, which are still more relevant to all desktop users.

>> No.70856251

>>70852801
SOPA

>> No.70856440

>>70856251
DELID CIA

>> No.70856464
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>>70855744

>> No.70856468

>>70855744
How does 9900k make it into top10?

>> No.70856472
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>> No.70856503 [DELETED] 

does this mean I can run a distro in windows like a vm, or it just... like something I can use to test linux programs I write while using windows

>> No.70856517

>>70856464
based italy buying the 2400g
easily the most under rated ryzen product

>> No.70856533

is there a reason why i7-7700k still sells used for 200 dollars easy on ebay?

I feel like I should sell mine... but then that means having to build a whole new computer for an amd chip

>> No.70856576

>>70856472
sir ples delid dis

>> No.70856589

>>70856472
Holy shit, what are they doing?

>> No.70856592

>>70856533
Bare CPUs that are only a few generations old seem to go for a hell of alot
When I had my LGA 1155 system in 2013-2014 I wanted an upgrade from my i3 to an i5 or even i7 but the prices where absolutely retarded, used CPUs where going for almost more than they did when they where new

>> No.70856654

>>70856589
prioritizing enterprise and oems so leaving no fab space for average consumers

>> No.70856677

>>70856533
Because Intel products never get any cheaper unless they're really old, and the used market reflects that.

>> No.70856704

>>70856517
>most under rated ryzen product
>2400G
Are you even for real, NIGGER? 2400G is LITERAL 2600K by sheer PPC and IPC, if 2600K had actually decent integrated graphics instead of garbage shit it has. It's LITERALLY a "2600K with modern AMD graphics on board", for all intents and purposes.

>> No.70856726

>>70856589
Shooting and gassing themselves since the very day gen1 Zen RyZen was released.

>> No.70856730

>>70837186
Some chink found a 16core zen2 es
https://twitter.com/TUM_APISAK/status/1125226916317782016

>> No.70856744

>>70856730
>https://twitter.com/TUM_APISAK/status/1125226916317782016
"Tum Apisak" is a weeaboo, not a chink. That photo is misleading. The dude lives in Cannedturd and is a spic weeaboo.

>> No.70856784

>>70856589
Slowly seeing themselves out of the consumer pc space. Comet lake is probably going to be a paper launch at this rate.

>> No.70856810

>>70856677
>>70856592

Yeah but its only 4 cores an amd is about to unleash 8-16 core cpus... I feel like 7700k should be worth like 100 now

>> No.70856865

>>70856730
I dont get it. what does he mean he "found" it.

>> No.70856898
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70856898

>still giving money to Israel in 2019 for botnet 14nm+++++++ garbage, while AMD has 7nm
>still giving money to Israel in 2020 for botnet 14nm++++++++ garbage, while AMD has 7nm+
>still giving money to Israel in 2021 for botnet 14nm+++++++++ garbage, while AMD has 5nm
>still giving money to Israel in 2022 for botnet 10nm garbage, while AMD has 5nm+
>still giving money to Israel in 2023 for botnet 7nm garbage, while AMD has 3nm

You intel shitters are so stupid you really can't look more than a couple of weeks into the future, can you?

>> No.70856904

>>70856810
I assume large part of it is people in similar situation to that guy. People stuck with outdated LGA socket boards looking for upgrades creating demand for those CPUs. Afterall, paying $200 for an older i7 is still less than paying >$300 for a new CPU (if they're dead set on going Intel again) plus $150 or more for a new board.

>> No.70856906

Post yfw technology advances on both Intel and AMD and people who actually bought 9900K are looking fucking stupid

>> No.70857037
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70857037

>>70838166
>watts
>more is better

>> No.70857055

>>70837686
>Not wanting the 2950x

>> No.70857056

that's fucking crazy

>> No.70857098

>>70856906
They're already looking stupid. Almost every publication blasted 9900K but they went and bought one anyway because of Intel's Best Gaming Processor In The World™ marketing bullshit.

>> No.70857125

>>70856906
I don't see anything coming down the pipeline that will actually put even an 9900k into real obsolescence anytime soon

>> No.70857171 [DELETED] 

>>70857098
Jewish propaganda is very powerful.

>> No.70857176

>>70857125
Even if you come close or match it in performance while using less energy, it's obsolete, kind like how the 1st gen low end ryzens were right on the heels of my outgoing FX-8350 system, but used half the energy or less and just obsoleted my shit up senpai, now the 2400G btfos 220w FX chips entirely and it's 65w.

>> No.70857292

>>70857176
CPUs don't come into obsolescence because of the advent of powerful or more power efficient chips, they become obsolete when they stop being useful and unless there is a radical change in how software or games is done I don't see that happening with the 9900k anytime soon

>> No.70857334

>>70857292
Well of course the 9900K is gonna be usable for decades, Core 2 Quad is still more than enough to use for a daily machine, but when it comes to the niche builder who wants the latest and greatest, their 9900K rig is going into the trash the second we have another Core 2 Duo situation where the power usage is cut in half.

>> No.70857356

>>70856906
> people who actually bought 9900K are looking fucking stupid
They've been looking utterly fucking moronic since day-fucking-one.

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>>70857334
>9900K is gonna be usable for decades, Core 2 Quad is still more than enough to use for a daily machine

>> No.70857414

>>70857394
What was wrong with that sentence? As far as I know people are still using C2Qs to this day. Just because it's not running the latest Assassin's Creed at 60 fps doesn't mean it's unusable.

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>>70857414

>> No.70857459

>>70857418
Dude the 2600K came out 8 years ago and motherfuckers are still playing brand new games on it, Moore's law is fucking dead, and you're acting like it's the pentium 75 days where it becomes fucking useless instantly because chips are clocking higher so fast.

>> No.70857468

>>70857394
It is though
They run Windows 10 fine, most of the web works fine. Most of all your traditional desktop tasks can still be done on a Core 2
Give them a modern GPU with hardware decoders and they can do even more

>> No.70857477

>come to any poozen thread
>fake benchmarks everywhere
Do you really need to lie to everyone else to lessen your buyers remorse?
I still have a fucking i7 930 that works flawless for everything I throe at it

>> No.70857638
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70857638

>>70838166
>Watts (more is better)

>> No.70857873

>>70837186
>https://www.techpowerup.com/255099/possible-listings-of-amd-ryzen-9-3800x-ryzen-7-3700x-ryzen-5-3600x-surface-in-online-stores
is >>70837186
is there a resource where i could learn what this post means and how to choose a normie processor for myself?

>> No.70858490

>>70857873
3600x is pretty normie

>> No.70858555

>>70849402
>Ryzen 9 3850X 16C/32T 4.3/5.1GHz 135W $500

Hmm... Given this, what do we think the future looks like for 180W TR4 processors? Will there be a Threadripper 3950X, and if so, what will that look like?

>> No.70858955

>>70858555
32c/64t, again

>> No.70858958

>>70858490
>Beats 9900K for much cheaper and way more efficient
>Normie

>> No.70859367

>>70856898
>3nm
I thought IBM eggheads said 5nm is pretty much as small as they can safely go before they start getting electron bleeding across the gap.

>> No.70859733

>>70859367
"thats impossible" -t. every human about every invention before someone invented it

>> No.70860188

>>70857459
Wish those days were back.

>> No.70860812

>>70856898
Intel 7nm will annihilate AMD in 2177

>> No.70861059

>>70859733
This I would've laughed in your face in 2016 if you told me AMD was replacing FX with something that btfos x99 cpus and is cheaper while business energy.

>> No.70861154

>>70861059
>business energy.
using less energy*
fuck phones.

>> No.70862157

Intel 5nm superpower in 2377

>> No.70863201
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Hey guys i came here from /v/ i heard you guys know what you're talking about, so perhaps you could quickly settle something for me.
I'm buying a new pc, should i get either: AMD, Intel, Nvidia parts?

Thanks beforehand also Tifa is white.

>> No.70863404

>>70856472
>Price doesn't matter
>Sales don't matter
>Market share doesn't matter

>> No.70863422

>>70863201
Get a 2700X and a 2080 on the absolute most high end, buying a 9900K is dumb because you'd need a 2080ti or titan RTX to benefit from the extra performance then your machine is insanely expensive.

>> No.70863476

intel is finished and bankrupt

>> No.70863508

>>70863476
They're not going anywhere, but when it comes to custom PCs, they're btfo eternally until they can make some conroe tier CPU that beats ryzen with less power used, which isn't gonna be soon because they're still using a 14nm 2015 node and RYZEN is building the future CPUs right now.

>> No.70863625

>>70856898
there is no 10nm for desktop. intel going for 7nm for that

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>>70863625
>mfw these Jews are sticking with what is pretty much skylake technology with the clocks and voltage cranked up till whenever the fuck 7nm rolls around while paper launching 10nm on laptops so they can say it exists

>> No.70864010

>>70863201
If you can wait - buy a X570 mobo and any Zen 2 above 3500X with a Vega VII/GayForced 1080 Ti/top Navi, in roughly 3~5 months from now. If you can't wait - buy an X470 motherboard right now (NOT MSi or Anus) and a RyZen+ 2600/X, then change the CPU for a Zen 2.

>> No.70864023

>>70863681
>NetBUUUUURRRRRRRRst 2.0

>> No.70864240

>>70863508
>They're not going anywhere
https://www.techpowerup.com/255235/amd-collaborates-with-us-doe-to-deliver-the-frontier-supercomputer

>> No.70864569

>>70863476
>>70863681
>>70864023
>>70864240
delid dis

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>>70864569

>> No.70864922

>>70864888
>triple 8
That's antisemitism, Anon.

>> No.70865505

>>70864922
Kek.

>> No.70865596

>>70837186
Seriously OP, stop using cycles per second as a performance metric.
That's not how it fucking works.

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>>70852054
>mfw running 5 year old haswell and i see these benchmarks

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>>70865676
>mfw I'm still running 2600K OverClocked once back in 2011 and never turned off, in a 24/7/365 mode ever since and up to this very moment

>> No.70865785

>>70851922
Imagine needing to slow your top of the line parts just to get them within reasonable temp ranges.

>> No.70865820

>>70865785
>stock voltage doesn't matter
The list grows.

>> No.70865854

>>70865820
>yfw stock voltage is a housefire needing an industrial chiller

>> No.70865945

>>70856589

Gambled too much on 10nm being a smooth transition and even as far thinking it would be a repeat of intial 14nm hic-ups then smooth sailing.

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>>70865742
Still running my [email protected], never turn it off either. Does everything i want it to, and when i play games i'm always a few years behind anyway, so i never need the 144fps in 4k so i can see crisp HDR cocks flying at me.
Waitfag master race, i'll upgrade when i get a reason to.

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