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>Assemble a part list
https://pcpartpicker.com/
>Example gaming builds and monitor suggestions; click on blue titles to see notes
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/
>How to assemble a PC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g [Embed]

Want help?
>State budget & CURRENCY
>Post at least some attempt at a parts list
>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs based on current pricing:
>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS)
>R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming
>R5 2600/X - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs
>i7 8700/K - Extreme setup for absolute max FPS
>R7 2700/X - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing

RAM:
>Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended
>CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000CL15 or 3200CL16 is ideal
>AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP

Graphics cards based on current pricing:
>Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty
1080p
>RX 570 8GB - good performance with great value
>GTX 1660 - standard
>RTX 2060 - very high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor)
1440p
>RTX 2060 - standard
>RTX 2080 - very high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor)
2160p (4K)
>RTX 2080 - standard
>RTX 2080Ti - better fit for 4K but expensive

General:
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
>A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
>Bottleneck checkers are worthless
>>70493132

>> No.70502822

can i train memory on a low end intel mobo?

>> No.70502830
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RAM latency, final update

>>70502775
read the OP, this is of course meant for dual channel. No one can research it better than with this graph

>>70502794
here it is, updated

>> No.70502850

>>70502792
>no amd cards above the budget 570
Fuck yourself.

>> No.70502864

>>70502850
Nvidia has a new gen, while AMD doesn't. Believe me, Navi can't get here soon enough

>> No.70502880

What are the best times for sales besides Black Friday/December?

>> No.70502895

>>70502830
>dual channel
He said dual rank, which has a negligible to 5% benefit

>> No.70502905

>>70502830
repost that shit reeeeeeeeeeee

>> No.70502912

Sir , please update the OP post with RX 590 8GB for 1440p gaming, do the needful and thank you

>> No.70502931
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>>70502905
i fucked up yet again, so here you go, final edit

>> No.70502937

Can anyone recommend a good small cube case? I currently have a corsair carbide air 240. I hate the build quality, but it's got better reviews than other small cube cases.
However, I can't help but think that there's a better one out there.

>> No.70502954

>>70502792
>recommending virusware Intel CPUs
>ignoring how cheap RX580s are when that's all most people need for their needs
>ignoring Strix Vega56 being $350 and Red Devil Vega56 being $314
yikes

>> No.70503006

>>70502792
Sir, why no AMD cards? Do the needful sir. Raydeon 7 very good card for 1080p, 16gb ram, sir.

>> No.70503013

>>70502954
But it's a powerhog and it heats your room (and summer is coming...)
>just undervolt
but then i lose performance

>> No.70503057

>>70503013
>lose performance
https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/44084-amd-radeon-rx-vega-56-und-vega-64-im-undervolting-test.html

>> No.70503059

>>70503013
>lose performance
Tbh, you gain performance when you undervolt most of the time.

>> No.70503068

>>70502931
Better, but the "score" is still arbitrary and pointless. You could just have one column with the true latency(ns) and rank.

>>70502937
Does Silverstone FT-02 count as a cube? I'd recommend it over the garbage you're thinking of.

>>70503013
They are "overvolted" stock to supply enough voltage to keep the worst possible GPU stable. You can generally undervolt without reducing clocks. This is independently verified by hundreds of people if you'd bother to look.
And for Vega56 specifically, they have artificially reduced memory speeds stock to keep them from being too close in performance to Vega64. Every single one can have memory clocked at least 12.5% higher at a minimum.

>> No.70503092

>>70503068
>They are "overvolted" stock to supply enough voltage to keep the worst possible GPU stable.
>They are "overvolted" stock to supply enough voltage to keep the worst possible GPU stable.
And trust me goy, it's a mere 0.0001% of those gpus that need that voltage
Amd did it just for laughts, as a joke.
You certainly are not playing lottery with GPUs, buy yours today!
0.9V undervolts and perfectly stable performance is guaranteed!


Disclamer:AMD is not responsible nor legally obligated to provide the results promised by anon the shill

>> No.70503095

>>70502792
So who needs 2070? Do you really benefit from the extra 2 gigs of vram?

Only saying cause its the only rtx missing from the suggestions

>> No.70503103

>>70503092
You're a fucking moron. You know google exists, right? Find me one single example of someone who can't undervolt their vega below stock.

>> No.70503106

>>70503095
I'd say 2070 is the best value if you're into deep learning/using your GPU for algo training and want to start off without Amazon or Colab servers.

>> No.70503109

Just undervolt, sir. Please add vega to op.

>> No.70503116

>>70503103
>AMD gave a all of their GPUS too much voltage
>as a joke
>for lulz
>no reason at all
>all of them can run on 0.9V
>they just upped the voltage to 1.2V for giggles

>> No.70503118

>>70503092
.95V @ 1400/1050mhz stable, eat shit.

>muh performance
I can crank the shit out of it if I want to put headphones on, no point in doing so if I'm just going to gain 5-10 fps.

>> No.70503129

>>70503116
Where the fuck have you pulled 0.9v from? Did you even look at >>70503057, a VERY conservative undervolt showing a huge performance uplift.

>> No.70503134

>>70503109
>but why did AMD overvolt it so much then?
>to make a big margin of GPUS still function at those specs
>so a lot of them need the voltage

>undervolt good sir, actually a lot of them don't need that voltage and AMD overvolted literally ALL their GPUS just for shits and giggles


>>70503118
I won the lottery, eat shit.

>> No.70503149

>>70503134
>a lot of them need the voltage
Prove it. Find evidence. Surely it must be easy.

>> No.70503152

>>70503095
>Do you really benefit from the extra 2 gigs of vram?
No

>>70503103
Silence is not an argument, you are required to prove that ALL V56 can be undervolted, which is a moronic statement. As the other anon indicated, AMD doesn't have those stock settings for laughs

>>70502954
No CPUs are secure, in fact no system connected to the internet is secure, so quit meming about "muh security"
The 570 is listed and is only around 12% behind the 580, but I guess you're too stupid to know that
V56 was pretty meh compared to the 1070Ti, and it's even worse when compared to the 2060

>> No.70503170

>>70503149
>AMD overvoltage ALL of their vegas
>because merely a 0.000001% of vegas needed that voltage
>prove to me it wasn't just 0.00001% of vegas
>surely it must be easy to prove AMD overvolted all their vegas and make them hotter and perform worse, just "because"

>> No.70503172

>>70503152
>Silence is not an argument
Actually, on the internet, it is. You know damn well comments always have a negative bias, if there is a rare problem with something you can be damn sure the minority will not shut the fuck about it.
You can't find any though, can you?

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>>70503068
> the "score" is still arbitrary and pointless
it would've been, if i had set more decimals on latency. Live to improve i guess. If i went this far, i won't leave it half-assed

Fixed

>> No.70503193

>falling for the 6gb meme
fuck off nvidiots

>> No.70503209

>>70503193
>posts benchmark of the RTX 2060 DUNKING on Vega 64 in some meme game
Get owned, AMDjeets.

>> No.70503217

Time to stop posting 6GB cards in the op.

>> No.70503229

>>70503134
>won the lottery
It's not even the best case scenario, either way here's the difference with an R5 2600 @4.1Ghz. It's really not a big deal between stock and UV besides the noise and temps.

>1452 (1400 under load) /950mV /1050Mhz HBM2 @75*C 2200RPM
2069 on heaven.
>1502 (1450 under load) /1000mV /1050Mhz HBM2 @75*C 2400RPM
2100 on heaven.
>1602 (1540 under load) /1150mV /1050Mhz HBM2 @80*C 2800RPM
2186 on heaven.
>1702 (1630-1640 under load) /1200mV /1050Mhz HBM2 @80*C 4000RPM
2240 on heaven.

>> No.70503285

>>70503193
>>70503217
we must shill harder bros! nothing less than 16GB of VRAM will do in 2019!

>> No.70503293

>>70503229
>dude check out this SICK undervolt when I reduce the core frequency as well!
Woah BRO!

>> No.70503307

>>70503229
SICK so you can like, advertize higher performance and then tell users to give up that performance when they actually get it because it runs hot and loud
Thanks AMD, I am sure to buy gaming GPU form you next year as well.

>> No.70503337

>>70503293
>>70503307
Factory is set to 1602/1200mV/975Mhz @ 100%PL and it's unstable as fuck and won't hold above 1500mhz. You get better fps even with the lower core clock.

Real hard to load a profile for whatever I'm doing, huh?

>> No.70503360

>>70503337
>dude free lotery performance!
>but if it just so happens to turn out that you don't win the lottery, know that AMD can't be held responsible for you not winning it, after all they never guaranteed your win
>but dude LAMO buy the lottery ticket, I won a limo yesterday!

>> No.70503364

>>70503092
The hilarious thing about trying to argue these bullshit lies to people, is that tons of /g/ owners actually HAVE Vega56 and no one has these terrible results you claim are all you can manage.

I've read from others with the same model and all seem to have similar results, give or take.

>>70503134
>to make a big margin of GPUS still function at those specs
>so a lot of them need the voltage
It seems the only reasons that voltage is so high is for OpenCL stability. Games only need like 80-85% of that voltage to be stable even on the worst die.

>>70503229
A better comparison would be stock vs your undervolt.

>>70503293
1400MHz isn't reducing the core frequency by half. Stock is what... 1471Mhz on Vega 56? You're retarded.

>>70503106
Do you have a source showing the 2070 is better for deep learning than Vega or something?
People seem to automatically assume Nvidia is better because "muh tensor cores" and marketing but Tensorflow performance on Radeon VII is actually extremely good.

>> No.70503380

>>70503364
>The hilarious thing about trying to argue these bullshit lies to people, is that tons of /g/ owners actually HAVE Vega56 and no one has these terrible results you claim are all you can manage.
Yeah like me, me, me and oh me.
God, just look at all of /g/ that is me shilling for AMD!

>> No.70503385

>>70503360
Why are you such a retard? You've been memeing over and over about the same thing and it's not going to make what you're saying correct.

UV/OC is the easiest shit.

>>70503364
I'll get you those results in a sec.

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>> No.70503415

>>70503385
wow like dude like you are right, anybody who disagrees with our lord and saivor AMD is a retard, like how do these sheepie don't see the truth?
Like I keep telling every one undervolt, overclock, simple. But nvidiots just dont get it undervolt, overclock.
I gained so much performance after I undervolt, overclock, its amazing how much people underestimate undervolt, overclock, just free performance.

>> No.70503437

>>70503360
>don't buy Nvidia cards because your auto-OC results might not be as good as some youtuber's!

>> No.70503450

>>70503437
Yup.
Only stock results are guaranteed.

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>>70503410

>> No.70503482

i got a 32 inch VA 1440p monitor to replace the 32 inch cheapo tv i was using and the colour seems off no matter how much i fuck with the limited settings, it also seems like the whole screen is just black light bleed, i have it hooked up to my xbox at the moment, VA panels are ment to be the same thing tvs use right? its crisp with the higher rez but that just means i can see the shit colours in all there glory, am i going to have to rma this thing or is there something im not doing right? its a LG 32GK650F-B

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>>70503452
2082 on balanced, never went above 1500Mhz.

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>>70503483
Dropped voltage to 1100mV and raised HBM to 1050. Everything else the same.

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>>70503522
Peak at 1572Mhz and 83*C, fans at 2800RPM. 2217.

>> No.70503631

>>70503483
Alright so your 950mv is only about 5% slower while being much cooler and lower power consumption. Your 1050mv is lower power while performing better. Sounds right.

>>70503482
Try windows calibration as well as the OSD. It's under display and resolution settings, link at the bottom.

>>70503450
Sure, only stock is "guaranteed", yet even the worst 1660Ti will get a few mhz extra core and memory OC. Just like how every Vega56 will get at least a 12.5% memory OC, even if it has Hynix HBM2, which is more significant gains.

AMD has done this since the beginning of time. 7950 7970, 290 290X, 570 580. The former of each is artificially gimped much lower than the chip is capable to sell the higher end one to normies who don't want to fiddle.

>> No.70503655

>>70503483
>min fps 30
nice s-s-sutters

>> No.70503814

>>70503655
The mins are usually just scene switches.

>> No.70503901 [DELETED] 

>>70502792
Sirs plz buy rx 590 for beauty 1440p30 perf, is console quality just do the needful

>> No.70503945

I'm curious as to why the general pasta says to build around monitor if gaming. Surely the only difference it would make is if you are going for 1080 vs 4k right? You should build around processor, then gpu, then monitor to suit those two right?

>> No.70503984

>>70503945
No, monitor first, because that tells you what performance target you're trying to hit. Res tells you graphics card, Hz tells you CPU

>> No.70503989

>>70503068
>Does Silverstone FT-02
That's a tower which is more of rectangle than a cube. Learn your shapes and get back to me.

>> No.70504013

>>70503945
>going for 1080 vs 4k
This is a massive difference in required GPU muscle.
>You should build around processor, then gpu, then monitor to suit those two right?
Most games these days are graphics bound. The CPU of course is important but since AMD released Ryzen a while back, all but the most anemic budget CPUs will provide near acceptable performance for modern games. High refresh rate (120 Hz+) gaming does require special considerations. Either way, building around the monitor is critical. If you have a shitty monitor it won't matter if you have the best PC in the world because your games will look and feel like dogshit.

>> No.70504029

First time builder, i got it together, everything seems to be running fine, but i autisticly yanked the graphics cards retention clip out, i have a anti sag bar and a box that my hyper x headsets wires came in holding it up, its bugging me tho, is it possible to fix the clip or take a clip from another slot and put it in the top slot, or just move the card down a slot?
its a z390 aurous elite

>> No.70504105

Having owned an RX580, 1070, and Vega 56, Vega 56 is definitely unique in how overvolted it is stock and how poorly tuned it is for gaming stock.
It's almost surely to do with some of its special machine learning functions which aren't used in games. It's the way that AMD has their "flexible cores" compared to Nvidia having lots of different specialized cores, combined with their lack of software voltage control to automatically detect the workload and adjust voltage like Pascal/Volta/Turing do.

I don't remember a card that gets such big gains from fiddling with it the way Vega does since the 7970, but even more so. And they did recently add auto-OC and auto-undervolt options to Wattman.

>>70502866
Yeah on the first attempt of making a FAQ paste, I did go over dual rank. But that one was WAY too long and difficult to read.
I should readd it.
Should also add something about the pros and cons of used, as it seems to come up every thread at least once, too.

>>70503989
It has a square shaped base. It's a tall cube.
It looks more like a tower than "tower" cases, but towers are a misnomer for them.

>>70503945
Gaming usually means higher hz. You should figure out what image quality (number of pixels and panel) and refresh rate you want FIRST then build around that.

>>70504029
You mean the part that holds in that elbow on the end? You could see about canalizing the clip from another PCIe slot. Your board also may be able to run the main GPU in a different PCIe slot than the top one.

>> No.70504111

So I got two monitors, this absolute beast https://www.amazon.com/V7-LED236W3R-8N-24-Inch-LED-Lit-Monitor/dp/B008ABP0W4/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8 and an ASUS VS247.

I'm pretty happy with the ASUS monitor but the other one I had is like 8 years old or some shit (mom bought it for me when I was in high school for Christmas). What's a solid monitor that fits in a VESA dual monitor stand? Not looking for 4k but might consider 1440. Got an RX 580 8gb if that factors into the recommendation.

>> No.70504113

>>70504029
is the clip broken? you might be able tojam it back in

>> No.70504127

>>70504111
Also I'm looking for a "main monitor" if that helps

>> No.70504164 [DELETED] 

>>70503814
>The mins are usually just scene switches.

>> No.70504330

Let's be perfectly clear here, despite all the security flaws of Intel, from a purely performance perceptive Intel is still better than AMD. Now we all hope Zen2 will finally surpass but until then, Intel is king.

>> No.70504392

so my computer has wifi on it, is there anything cool that I can do with that?

>> No.70504410

>>70504330
>ryzen 7 shown at ces barely beat a 9900k in an amd favorable benchmark
Think Intel will still be king even after zen 2, especially for gayman

>> No.70504414

>>70504392
Connect to the internet, I think

>> No.70504420

Opinions on curved monitors?
They look alright, online but not sure if it's going to look good in person. Looking at a 27" curved

>> No.70504424

>>70504414
Thats what I figured but I was thinking if I could connect my phone to my pc or something to be even lazier.

>> No.70504430

sirs, the op needs more amd gpu units, do the needful

>> No.70504432

>>70504392
some times they can have bluetooth functionality

>> No.70504438

>>70504424
Need bluetooth for that

>> No.70504445

>>70504111
Do you want to game on it or no?
1440p is the highest you should go for gaming on a RX580. It won't run newer games maxed, though. But it'll run most at like medium-high AA off. ie console-quality settings.
4k is better for just general web browsing, productivity, etc, though.

>>70504330
Literally no one argues anyway.
It's just when asked
>Is an extra 10-20fps worth the massive amount of unpatchable security risks and extra 100-150W of power consumption? Is it worth not having an upgrade path to a new generation of CPUs on a better process node?
The answer to most sane people is: no.

If Intel would disclose what actual hardware security fixes are being implemented in Comet Lake transparently AND Comet Lake worked on Z370 and Z390 boards, then I'd feel more comfortable recommending it.
But how can I recommend a 9700k when yet a new major security vulnerability will be unveiled next month, and the month after, and the month after, and the month after, and many of them will be unpatchable like last month's?

>>70504410
>barely beat 250W CPU with a 65W CPU that's not their high end SKU
I-it's shit I swear buy Intel.

>> No.70504455

>>70504420
i saw one in store, im not sure if i could get used too it, your best option is to go to a store that has them and check them out, even if you dont actually buy it from there, sometimes you get better deals online

>> No.70504470

>>70504410
Yeah, I'm thinking will still be the way to go for games. I watched the benchs for the 12 cores parts, and the memory latency regressed to zen levels, not to mention they won't be even close to 5ghz.

>> No.70504472

>>70504445
i have an 9700k, how worried should i realisticly be?

>> No.70504478
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Planning to replace my 2 full HD shit 22 inch monitors with one 40 inch 4k monitor. Should turn out somewhat similar, except slightly higher pixel density, no bezels and effectively double the monitors.

At that size and at PC distances, I'm concerned that a flat monitor will be annoying. My current monitors are tilted towards me.

The Philips BDM4037UW seems to be my only option in Europe since AOC doesn't sell theirs here.

Since these monitors usually support picture by picture with 4 inputs and because Windows can only tile 4 windows normally, I plan to connect all 4 inputs for up to 16 window tiles.

For super retard mode, I would like to even attach my two old monitors vertically on the side. Essentially that would be 6 monitors from one GPU - the RTX 2080, which has 4 outputs, but the display ports should support monitor hubs - unsure if the GPU can have more than 4 monitors though. Supposedly it's possible to drive 4 monitors from one GPU and 2 from the CPUs IGPU, unfortunately I opted for a Xenon CPU which doesn't have that. Might be time to upgrade though.

But my main concern is whether or not a 40 inch monitor at desk distances can even work without being curved.

>> No.70504488

>>70504472
Honestly, you shouldn't. Zen 2 won't clock close to the 9700k and the memory latency is still terrible.

>> No.70504717

>>70504472
Some of the vulnerabilities can work through Javascript. "Games" you install can also take advantage of these vulnerabilities the same way
I'd be very scared to have encrypted passwords saved in my browser, encrypted credit cards saved in my browser, crypto wallets on my PC, etc, if I were using an Intel CPU. If you memorize all your passwords and never have your browser save them, and dont use crypto wallets, and have no other sensitive information that would ever be in memory which you thought may be safe due to encryption, I'd say you're fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZB7RU1L8jM&t=41s is the latest one which appears to have been used for state sponsored hacking, so it very well may have been used to steal millions or billions of dollars of data. There is LITERALLY a new major vulnerability every month. No severe ones have affected AMD so far.

Personally, I don't find that insecurity circus to be worth a few more FPS. I get around 90-180fps in everything I play fine with a 1600X.

>>70504478
That monitor is WAY too close for that size of display.

>>70504488
>citation needed

>> No.70504734

>>70504717
>the same way
that some games had crypto miners.
I didn't finish writing that.

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>>70504717
>I get around 90-180fps in everything I play fine with a 1600X.

>> No.70504777

>>70504742
>haha Steve accidentally disabled a whole CCX making it a 4c/8t chip with half the cache. check these legit benchmarks out
retard

Based Radeon VII though. Why do you guys try and hide how good that card is? 2080 perf or better for cheaper with double the VRAM.
We should remove the 2080 from the OP entirely based on that image.

>> No.70504795

>>70504777
>>haha Steve accidentally disabled a whole CCX making it a 4c/8t chip with half the cache. check these legit benchmarks out
What form of cope is this? Do you just make shit up because it makes you feel better?

>> No.70504806

>>70504742
>>70504795
Why do you keep giving attention to the namefag amd shill? I honestly don't know why he's still coming to these threads to get btfo day after day.

>> No.70504809

>>70504777
>lets not talk about the CPUS
>instead lets look at the GPUS
>My isn't radeon a good looking GPU, look at that performance, it even makes you feel more manly
>Why I would buy two myself, if I wasn't thinking of you my dear customer who also wants to buy some of these

>> No.70504823

>>70504806
is it the guy that said the 590 was good for 1440p because of 8 gb of ram?

>> No.70504844

>>70504717
Rather than thinking of it as one large monitor, think of it as 4 regular monitors.

I'm reasonably happy with my two side by side monitors and I assume most of us are. I don't think I would hate it if I had two more on top of them.

In addition, most of what I would run, I would run on subsections of the monitor, rather than on all of it, just like using 4 individual monitors.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/user/MaximusElefante/saved/4v6nHx
Does anyone see any redflags? will my RAM be fine without heatsinks?

>> No.70504865

>>70502792
>Recommending 6gb cards.
Is this thread sponsored by nvidia?

>> No.70504881

>>70503293
Top kek

>> No.70504882

it's hilarious how amdrones are still trying to push the "intel has security vulnerabilities" meme with different imaginary theories of how someone could be affected when in reality there's yet to be one person actually affected by them.

>> No.70504883

>>70504864
cooler is overkill
mobo has garbo vrms

>> No.70504896

>>70504865
it seemed like a decent power for price card...

>> No.70504916

>>70504883
i dont know much about vrms, if i dont intend on overclocking much does it matter?

>> No.70504958

plssss do the needful and buy a 2060 so you have 60 FPS in 1080[[ titles for the next 3 months

>> No.70504967 [DELETED] 

wait for navi sirs

>> No.70504985

sirs navi offers 2080 rtx performance for $200 please wait

>> No.70505013

>>70504809
So why do you think the Radeon VII is worse than the 2080 when that test shows it even?
It's $100 cheaper, and 8Gb of Vram isn't much for a $800 card. The 1080Ti had 11Gb, after all, so the 2080 is a downgrade.

>>70504864
I'd get the Scythe Mugen 5 or Ninja 5 and replace the fan(s) with the 5 pack of Arctic 120mm PWM fans, and use the 3 left over as case fans. And use a mesh case like the Meshify C.
Is that 2070 A-die? It doesn't look like it, as I'm seeing a 1710MHz boost clock spec which usually means it's not A-die. Don't buy RTX cards which aren't A-die.
You could do with a cheaper PSU and 550-650W. 2600X is so low power and all and the 2070 doesn't exactly use a ton.
I'd just use an external blu-ray drive.
I don't get why you're spending $1500 yet only have a 500Gb SSD. Some games these days are 150Gb. 70Gb+ is really common.
>Do I need RAM heatsinks
At 1.35v, not really. But if you want to run 1.5V through them and OC further, I would. You aren't going to be CPU limited with a 2070 at 1440p. And if this is 1080p I'd just go with a 2060 or Vega56.

The anon saying the mobo has garbage VRM is just untrue.

>>70504896
For 1080p it's fine. For 1440p it's going to fall off fast, and there are already a few games it does worse than you'd expect for the price in and Vega 56 is better.

>> No.70505082

>>70505013
>get pointed out that the conversation was about CPUS and how amd cpu is shit in gaming
>even with the post pointing that out
>So why do you think the Radeon VII is worse than the 2080 when that test shows it even?

>> No.70505091

>>70505082
Ahem, lets talk about how radeon 7 is great, did you know it's the only gamer GPU with 16GB of ram?! Wow, that's a lot you say, and indeed it is, AMD has gone out of it's way to provide value to gamers, because we care.

>> No.70505097

>>70505013
Vega56 seems to run hotter and have less frames but definitely doesnt cost as much, do mean its a better bargain? or genuinely better card?

>> No.70505132

>>70504985
>>70504967
im waiting on it but at this point you might as well say it will get me a girlfriend too

>> No.70505184

>>70505082
I love your explanation of how you're cherry picking without realizing it's an explanation of how you're cherry picking.

>>70505097
2060 isn't exactly efficient, either. Idle tensor and RT cores use a lot of power. It's the 1660Ti that's super efficient, the 2060 isn't remotely close to the perf:watt of the 1660Ti. It's closer to Vega56 perf:watt.

But yes I mean better as a 1440p card. 13Gb+ of VRAM with HBCC vs 6Gb. Lots of games use over 6Gb in 1440p currently and it'll only get worse with the next console generation. Buy a 2060 for 1440p now and you'll be forced to upgrade sooner than with Vega.
Hell, the highest end Vega 64, the Nitro+, is only $20 more than those higher end $400 2060s, too.

>> No.70505197

>>70504967
>>70504985
I know everyone is hating on RTX and the lack of games, but I like it. so does it do raytracing?

>> No.70505199

>>70505184
the card i had was a 2070 though does this change what youre saying?

>> No.70505201

>Lots of games use over 6Gb in 1440p currently
L O L

>> No.70505223 [DELETED] 

pls, wait for poovi

>> No.70505248

>>70504823
yes lmao, he can't help but keep owning himself over and over again. he's waiting for poovi

>> No.70505264

>>70505197
It is possible

>> No.70505277

>>70505184
>I love your explanation of how you're cherry picking without realizing it's an explanation of how you're cherry picking.
I like how you have selective vision, where you only see good qualities of AMD and ignore all bad ones and the exact opposite for other companies.

>> No.70505279

just wait
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl8kEkhgDf8

>> No.70505287
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70505287

>>70505184
>2060 isn't exactly efficient, either. Idle tensor and RT cores use a lot of power. It's the 1660Ti that's super efficient, the 2060 isn't remotely close to the perf:watt of the 1660Ti. It's closer to Vega56 perf:watt.

>> No.70505297
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70505297

>>70505184

>> No.70505303
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70505303

>>70505287

>> No.70505311

>>70505279
>wait until the crypto booms again and you all have increased prices
>mean while amd will sell their gpus to minners by the dozen

>> No.70505327
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70505327

>>70505197
>does it do ray tracing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nqhkDm2_Tw

>>70505287
>he's STILL reposting the fake power numbers image after being called out and having it proven fake literally over a dozen times
lmao

>> No.70505348

>>70505327
>its fake, IT'S FAKE!
>THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING IT MUST BE FAKE!
https://youtu.be/0mPVgHSiiLA?t=519

>> No.70505376

>>70505348
Yes, it's fake because you're spamming a graph where a human clearly input the numbers incorrectly. It happens literally all the time, especially among Linus Tech Tips and Hardware Unboxed.

No other source can back those numbers up. They're over 100watts higher THAN HARDWARE UNBOXED'S OWN TESTS FROM A YEAR AGO, RETARD.

>> No.70505383

>>70504823
https://rbt.asia/g/search/username/rtx%20off/
https://rbt.asia/g/search/username/r5%209900k/
Have fun.

>> No.70505400

>>70505383
>just endless AMD shilling
Is he like an actual payed shill?

>> No.70505424
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70505424

>>70505184
>2060 isn't exactly efficient, either. Idle tensor and RT cores use a lot of power. It's the 1660Ti that's super efficient, the 2060 isn't remotely close to the perf:watt of the 1660Ti. It's closer to Vega56 perf:watt.
WTF is wrong with you

>> No.70505435

>>70505424
Holy shit, beeeeelowwwwwn the fuck out.

>> No.70505440

>>70505400
I think they crazy thing is that he does it 24/7.

>> No.70505456

>>70504823
SIR I MEANT CONSOLE-QUALITY AS IN LOW SETTINGS 30 FPS PLZ DO THE NEEDFUL AND TREAT ME LIKE AN INTELLIPOO

>> No.70505470

>>70505424
>no 1660Ti
>no actual wattage
>Nvidia powerup

>>70505287
>>70505297
>>70505303
>>70503152
What's amazing is this guy is here spamming 24/7 for longer than I've been by far. At least my posts are factual and backed up by multiple sources, and not cherry picked misleading garbage.

>> No.70505481

*slams giant dick on table*

show me the best pc for 1080p gaming I can get for sub $800 and i'll let you suck it

>> No.70505514

>>70505481
RX 570
R5 2600
MSI B450-A Pro
G. Skill Aegis 3000MHz CL16 RAM
The rest of the components for <$150

>> No.70505518

>>70505383
jesus

>> No.70505559
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70505559

>>70505470
>At least my posts are factual and backed up by multiple sources
In what fucking universe? You're replying to at least two people anyway, I only posted the techpowerup graphic

>> No.70505586

>>70505514
*unfurls voluminous proboscis in your direction*

you may proceed....

>> No.70505630
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70505630

>>70505383
>>70505518
You should look at your own posts

>> No.70505636

>>70502792
Do I need an Intel Core i7K processor if I have no intention of overclocking it?

I have heard K is generally better even without overclocking, it is faster normally too.

>> No.70505646

>>70505636
the difference is minimal. You'll never notice it.

>> No.70505658

>>70505646
So I should just go for i7 8700 without the K then?

>> No.70505685

>>70505658
If you're not overclocking there's no reason to get an unlocked (K) processor

>> No.70505712

How do I know how many PCIe lanes/bandwidth a motherboard has?

I can find the number of PCIe slots, but this doesn't tell me the number of lanes since (example) 2 PCIe x4 slots could share 4 lanes rather than 8.

>> No.70505744

>>70505712
Most of the time newegg will have that data, but if not check the mobo manufaturer's spec page

>> No.70505836

Is it usually worth the upcharge getting a slightly OC'd version of a card if it comes with a 3-fan cooler instead of the usual 2 fan or blower?
Also, Zotac, MSI, or EVGA? I got one for Zotac last time I asked.

>> No.70505853

>>70503655
That's the balanced setting from AMD, it sucks.

>>70503631
.7% slower according to my math, but I'm retarded so idk.

>>70504164
>still trying to troll

>>70505481
R5 2600
Dark rock 4
RX580 8gb
Corsair lpx 2x8gb 3000mhz
MSi b450 tomahawk
250gb wd blue ssd
Cx550m psu
Corsair 270r

>> No.70505858

What are some /pcbg/-approved sources for graphs? I know not everyone considers Techpowerup or Hardware Unboxed to be legitimate sources of information.

>> No.70505878

Can anyone recommend me the absolute cheapest video card (Preferably under 20) with at least two hdmi or dvi ports? It won't be used to play games, it just needs to be good enough to run two 1080p monitors and watch youtube. I've been hunting around ebay and looked in evga's b stock page and it looks like the GT 610 is what I'm looking for but are there any better choices?

>> No.70505889

>>70505858
Literally one retard whines and complains. Too blind to see through the bullshit?
Gamegpu, techpowerup, and hardware unboxed are probably the most comprehensive and thorough. I've never liked gamer's nexus but they seem to be less against AMD these days

>> No.70505894

>>70505878
If it's not built already you're better off just using an apu.

>> No.70505910

>>70505858
Gamer's Nexus, Guru3d, mindblanktech but he quit. There might be another out there that I'm not thinking of.
Anandtech used to be great but isn't anymore.

>>70505889
>anyone who disagrees with my manipulative shilling with dubious and inconsistent sources is one person
Yeah, they're not, buddy.

>>70505878
should be able to get a 260 or 750 for $10-$15 but holy shit just get an Athlon 200GE upgrade. You can build a complete system for idk, like $120? You're probably spending more on power with your ancient system than you think you're saving.

>> No.70505924

My prospective build for high quality gaming PC using windows 7
>Corsair Vengeance 16 GB Ram (x2 8 GB sticks): 119.99$
>MSI Nvidia RTX GeForce 2080 GPU : 1,349$
>Intel i7-8700 : 299.99$
>M.2 NVMe 500 GB SSD (Samsung Evo) : 218.99$
>Z 370 MB (Asus prime): 149.99$
>2 TB HDD (WD) : 69.95$
>Still haven't decided on PSU, heat sinks, wifi or chassis for now.

That's 2,208.99$ total. How can I reduce the cost without hurting performance too much? Could I change the GPU to something else (if so what)? My goal is to play games on high quality settings for about 4 years until another update.

>> No.70505932

Is the Noctua D15 still king of air coolers? What's competitive in both cooling and noise at the ~$100 or less range?

>> No.70505952

>>70505932
be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 is comparable both in price and quality

>> No.70505982

>>70505924
>win7
yikes
>$2200
Is this Canadian or Australian? Seems like a build that should be around $1500.

>>70505932
Scythe Mugen 5 or Ninja 5 with fans replaced with Arctic fans is like 95% the quiet and cooling performance for significantly cheaper. Plus 3 120mm fans left over to replace case fans with quieter fans.
Dark Rock Pro 4 if you're a normie who thinks replacing a cooler's fans sounds too difficult.

>> No.70505990

>>70505910
>Guru3d
Pretty decent, also pcgameshardware.de and tom's hardware

>dubious and inconsistent sources is one person
Yeah, just you, retard.

>> No.70506000

>>70505559
O O F
O
F

>> No.70506019

>>70505990
computerbase.de i guess is the other.
tom's hardware really varies with who is doing the article. They're independent writers.

>> No.70506025

>>70505982
Why not win7? There is nothing wrong with it, it will still be useable for some time. It's mostly the RTX GPU.

>> No.70506026

>>70505559
>performance per watt
Next tell me about how a Prius is better than a Corvette for racing.

>> No.70506036

>>70506026
Blown the fuck out.

>> No.70506042

>>70506025
Win7 is end of life in a few months.
And you want to use an insecure CPU with it that won't get security updates. lol.

>> No.70506054

>>70506042
Why is the CPU insecure? I thought you could manually update it and win7 has paid updates.

>> No.70506064

>>70502822
>train memory
What does that mean? The only results I'm getting are neural network training which doesn't sound like what you're asking about.

>> No.70506104

>finish my new $800 build
>realize i dont even like gaming anymore

>> No.70506123

>>70506104
gaming is for fags anyway. the real fun is arguing about benchmarks and pricing out your next upgrade and defending your decision in front of the fags here.

>> No.70506214

>>70506104
>finish my $1500 CAD build
>I only play F2P games and other games that would have run at high enough frame rates with an RX 570
Sir, pls do the slitful.

>> No.70506228

>>70506054
MS won't be doing updates on Win7 as of 2020. It's an old OS.
>Why is the CPU insecure
Because it has over 40 security vulnerabilities, over a dozen which of are the most major security vulnerabilities in the history of CPUs and many of which are unpatchable. These are vulnerabilities which can own your PC, forcibly install firmware, compromise your BIOS and persist through reformats, gain kernel/root level access, and steal encryption keys and memory cross-program, often times through fucking javascript lmao.
I'd elaborate but NVD is down. Spectre, Meltdown, Foreshadow, Spoiler, and VISA are some of the main groups of vulnerabilities, though.

>>70506123
/pcbg/ post of the week

>> No.70506286

>>70506228
I'm new to PC building and did not realize this, I thought you meant security flaws as in win 7 would be ending its unpaid support soon.

So what CPU SHOULD I use?

>> No.70506315

>>70506214
>I only play F2P games and other games that would have run at high enough frame rates with an RX 570
Isn't this what people on /pcbg/ say all the time before that retarded shill pretending to be 5 different people jumps in and insists they must spend $100 more for a 1660 because you'll save 25 cents a month on electricity with it?

>>70506286
With a 2080Ti? You're basically stuck with a 9700k unless at 4K in which case a 2700X will do. Nothing else but a 9700k can feed a 2080Ti.
Just don't do anything sensitive on the PC and don't have your browser save passwords or have a crypto wallet on it.

>> No.70506331

>>70506315
I spent this much on a pee sea so that I wouldn't have to touch the parts again for another few years.

>> No.70506429

>>70502792
What exactly does “standard” meaning for the 2060 at 1440? I want to get a 1440 144hz monitor and was wondering if whether the 2060 or the 2080 would be the bare minimum to reach 120+ frames

>> No.70506469

>>70506429
60 FPS I guess

>> No.70506472

>>70505440
a man's gotta eat

>> No.70506548

>>70506286
>So what CPU SHOULD I use?
He's just meming to you about security flaws, Ryzen also has them. Also you use the internet, so you shouldn't consider your PC secure in the first place

>>70506429
Check benchmarks for yourself, but "standard" basically means the baseline for decent performance, often 60FPS in new titles. Performance varies wildly by title, but if you're looking for 120FPS in AAA trash like Assassin's Creed, I have bad news for you

>> No.70506587

>>70506548
Harder to run = prettier game, sir, pls buy 2080 Ti for full exp, thx

>> No.70506606

>>70506429
>was wondering if whether the 2060 or the 2080 would be the bare minimum to reach 120+ frames

ultimately depends on what games you play. a 2080 will never reach 100+ FPS consistently in ass creed odyssey, kingdom come, or even saints row 2.

>> No.70506634

>>70506331
And in 1 year you'll be able to build a better PC for $1000 CAD. RIP.

>>70506429
It means OP is a dumb shill who is trying to trick you into getting a 6Gb card for 1440p so he can laugh at you soon having to upgrade when you find out that's not enough VRAM. The 2060 barely gets 60fps in some games due to being VRAM limited, like BFV multiplayer and some more demanding missions. That's ridiculously poor from a $350 card.

A 2080 is more often going to meet that 120fps+ goal in 1440p, but not always. Some games just run ass no matter how much money you throw at hardware. And a 2080 also has the problem of costing more than a 1080Ti yet having less VRAM. Even 8Gb is getting a bit sketchy at 1440p. I wouldn't be surprised to see games often pushing 11 or 12Gb at 1440p from the next console generation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKu1Y-LlfNQ like this barely gets 70fps on a 1080Ti at 1080p and is surely using a lot of VRAM for those high resolution textures.

>>70506286
Ryzen doesn't also have those serious security vulnerabilities, by the way. That anon is lying.

>> No.70506702
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70506702

Should I lock my fps to 120 if I can't manage to get constant 144fps in my computer, while keeping 144hz refresh rate, or do I set my screen to 120hz?

tl;dr:
120fps at 120hz
or
120fps at 144hz

Also, is lightboost a meme?

>> No.70506767

>>70506702
If you have an adaptive sync panel, it shouldn't matter much. Otherwise, it might be a good idea to lower the refresh rate, especially if you don't notice much of a difference between 120Hz and 144Hz. 120 Hz also evenly denominates into common media framerates, like 24FPS, and 30FPS, without interpolation.

>> No.70506787

>>70506702
You should use freesync/gsync.
120fps on 120hz without double/triple buffering is still not going to be smooth without adaptive sync. You would need to run close to double the fps with enhanced sync or fast sync for it to appear smooth.
Buffering will make it smooth, and windows applies buffering by default in windowed [borderless], but it adds a fuckton of latency.

Battlenonsense goes over this conclusively in one of his videos, despite a bunch of retarded shills for the past 2 years claiming otherwise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L07t_mY2LEU

>> No.70506795
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70506795

>>70506634
>The 2060 barely gets 60fps in some games due to being VRAM limited, like BFV multiplayer and some more demanding missions.
Absolutely fucking false
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfnzHA3-MhM

>> No.70506813

>>70506767
>>70506787
I don't own a g/freesync monitor.
Then I'll set the screen to 120hz and cap the fps as well.

>> No.70506814

>>70506795
>2060 doesn't get barely over 60fps at 1440p in BFV multiplayer and certain level because Steve's test in another level and looking at the sky shows 92fps
IMAGINE BEING THIS RETARDED HOLY SHIT LMAO THINKING GAMES ALWAYS GET THE SAME FPS EVERYWHERE AHAHAHAA

>> No.70506825

>>70506814
>btfo'd by facts
>RESORTS TO ALL CAPS
Get out of your basement and in touch with reality more often

>> No.70506888
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70506888

>>70506814
Imagine being BTFO by a Youtube comment.

>> No.70506893
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70506893

>>70506888
Trips of truth

>> No.70506959

my computer died. Motherboard won't respond to anything. I was thinking of getting an AMD ryzen 7, what kind of mother board and ram should i get? Also what kind of case should i get? I might as well get new case.

>> No.70506997

>>70506888
Steve is a fucking NVIDIA shill and has been for years now (he recommend the 3.5 GB 970 in the past after all). Why would anyone listen to an obvious paid shill?

>> No.70507106
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70507106

Worth 1400 eur? For FPS games

>> No.70507123

Is there a difference between 2 and 4 sticks of RAM if they both have the same volume, speed and CL?

>> No.70507149
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>>70503483
Why are there so many fucking poor people on my board?

>> No.70507250

>>70506997
He's an AMD fanboy who even loves the FX CPUs, retard. Anyway the 970 is STILL just fine (no surprise), the only problem was Nvidia's shitty marketing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nty9Hcy1jaU

>> No.70507261

>>70507106
>looks like a prebuilt
>heh actually pretty nice specs...
>get to end
>i5
nope

>> No.70507409

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/FjRqvn
(+ 3 of my previous HDDs)

I've posted this before and gotten approval but I forgot to mention operating systems.
For my various applications I need to be able to run win7, win10 and linux.
Are there any issues I should be aware of?

>> No.70507585

What sort of noise difference should I expect between a case with 2 120mm fans compared to 2 140mm fans.?

>> No.70507736

>>70507149
>9600
>1080ti
You're the poor one, anon.

>> No.70507740

Regarding the whole Intel vs AMD cpu war that seems to plague /pcbg/, does it really all come down to Intel being somewhere between 5-20fps faster than an AMD equivalent? And yes I know about the security issues, but I'm talking about a purely performance point for games.

>> No.70507828

>>70507740
yeah, it's "just" 5% more or less. so if that actually matters for you then pick accordingly. if not i'd suggest you dont support a company that uses bribes to lock out the competition from the market...

>> No.70507889

>>70507585
depends on the fans and rpm

>>70507409
>full tower
yeah win7 dies next year and you should just use VMs

>> No.70507938

>>70507740
>does it really all come down to Intel being somewhere between 5-20fps faster than an AMD equivalent
That and Intel is better for emulation.

>> No.70508108

>>70507938
>Intel is better for emulation.
barely. IPC is all that matters for emulation. Clockspeed doesn't matter. AMD can emulate just fine.

>> No.70508175

Minimal pc case with decent cooling and no window?

>> No.70508206

>>70508175
define c
define s

>> No.70508208

>>70508175
Fractal Design Define R6

>> No.70508275
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70508275

Is there a tempered glass equivalent of Coolermaster Q500L

>> No.70508327

How do I go about choosing a PSU?
I know I want 650W and any 80+ rating.

>> No.70508357

>>70508327
jonnyguru.com

>> No.70508372

>>70508206
>>70508208
Thanks

>> No.70508387

My plan to try and keep my old failing peice of shit pc going until zen2 has failed. Is a 2700 worth the small price jump over a 2600x for gayming, casual streaming and 3d work?

>> No.70508494

We need to put this in the OP next time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIu5hBTYTqg

>> No.70508523

>>70508275
>top, bottom and front panels are all the same panel and feet and fans can be moved around to any place
interesting. could do something like original silverstone raven/fortress with bottom to top airflow and 90degree mobo tray since silverstone are niggers and went front intake on xx04 cases

>> No.70508534

>>70508494
>flashy graphics
>buzzwords
>random pleb reactions
Yep, perfect.

>> No.70508766
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70508766

anyone here did the diy VESA drilling? i've got one of these VX279H's and since it isn't VESA compatible the best i could do i drill holes in the backplate - i'm wondering if the plastic is strong enough to hold the monitor by itself? or should i just not bother, sell it, and purchase a new compatible monitor

>> No.70508769
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>>70508108
>Barely
>Is the only CPU able to reach 60 Fps in CEMU and even works better in RPCS3 that uses Vulkan and multi threads
It also tumbles down to software compatability

>> No.70508783
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70508783

>>70508766
>i'm wondering if the plastic is strong enough to hold the monitor by itself?
>the plastic casing
>strong enough for mounting

>> No.70509083

>>70508766
>building your own monitor
Nigga why would you ever do this, what possible enjoyment could you get out of this? What is there to gain?

>> No.70509112
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>>70509083
>drilling 4 holes for vesa mount
>building your own monitor

>> No.70509128

>>70506634
>don't even buy an i7 8700 processor it has security vulnerabilities others don't have
>look it up
>not even really true because others have same vulnerabilities and there have been fixes
>your other advice is being disproven
I should've known there were some dumb fucks / trolls in these threads. I was skeptical of the advice anyways.

>> No.70509144

>>70509128
are you retarded? intel has like 5 times more security holes and they're all more severe than amd because they all require physical access to the machine to be exploitable on amd, while they can be done remotely on intel.

>> No.70509156

>>70504445
Gaming isn't really a high priority for me since the games I like to play are things like Slime Rancher, Factorio, Rimworld, and generally a lot of things that really don't require a whole lot of my gpu. I don't know much about 4k but if there's an option to downscale it so I can still get good frames on those type of games I'll give it if it's good value, but otherwise not too interested in 4k since it seems excessive and I'm too jewish with my money. Main use would be watching anime/jewtube.

>> No.70509223

>>70509144
But it's been <<<patched>>> and I've already built my build around Intel! Why would they sell a CPU if it had such terrible security? It can't be THAAAAAT bad, no?

>> No.70509239

>>70509156
Jews use GPUs to mine Crypto and drink booze off Ashkenazi boobs.

I need to start investing in crypto.

>> No.70509242

>>70509223
>It can't be THAAAAAT bad, no?
no but you still spouted false bullshit like a retard and there's still the fact it cant be completely patched out, it needs changes in silicone

>> No.70509273

>>70509242
How likely is it that anyone will fall prey to the vulnerability though? Sounds like it isn't a big problem, and highly unlikely your average person who doesn't possess state secrets or a zillion dollars will be hacked through their i7.

The other post made it seem like it was very bad to buy an i7 and I should reconfigure my entire build. From what I've read that's paranoia.

>> No.70509318

>>70509273
>i7
>i7
why do you keep bringing up just the i7? literally every intel cpu made in the last 15 years has this security hole.
are you sure he didnt just mean "dont buy an i7 when Ryzen exists" ?
also im not a security expert, but i still wouldnt fucknig buy intel unless i needed 10 cores at 5GHz because of the kike tax and locking down the consumer with retarded shit like pci-e lanes and locked CPU and shitty locked chipsets plus they're a trash anti-competition company that bribes other companies to not buy AMD

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1300 eur worth guys? I could try to low

>> No.70509334

>>70509318
AMD shills calling other people kikes - hilarious! How's Tel Aviv this time of year? I am a Jew too, which is why I save money using Intel. Intel
Is better than AMD, it is faster, I don't care I Intel is better at business. That's not offensive to my sensibilities like it is to your goyish false morality.

Intel forever!

>> No.70509336

>>70509328
>fuckhuge image in ooga-booga lingo instead of just fucking copypasting the text
>cant even write a coherent sentence

>> No.70509349

>>70509328
Warning: Don't use the i7 if you store passwords, Bitcoin, or any bank account info in your computer.

Use AMD instead.

>> No.70509367

>>70509328
>image turns into Spanish at the end

>> No.70509381

>>70509334
>which is why I save money using Intel
yeah no, you have to choose a sub-par mobo that you cant OC on, and you have to choose a CPU that's locked, and you barely get any PCI-E lanes so you're extremely limited with expansion like NVMe and other stuff that uses PCI-E lanes.
plus intel barely supports 2 generations on the same motherboard forcing you to upgrade that aswell if you ever want to upgrade the CPU to anything newer.

so no, you dont save money with intel.

>> No.70509392

Making a PC for programming, web, movie and some games (Don't care about maxing everything in new games)
Taking PSU out of old PC as well as hdd's

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7xzHHh
Anything sticking out as a bad choice here?

>> No.70509420

>>70509392
>single fan AIO for same price as the best air cooler you can get
>not 3200mhz RAM for Ryzen
>not 2x8GB RAM kit
oof

>> No.70509428

>>70509381
So I should become an AMD cuck is what you're saying? I heard Intel is better for gaming though, and I want to use win7, I know that doesn't matter. I did not know AMD had more PCIe lanes but I don't even know how to check how many lanes a mobo has because they never List them (only the num slots).

Ultimately everywhere I go I get conflicting advice trashing all other brands except for one particular brand the poster likes, this is true even with IRL friends I have asked. I don't even know who to believe anymore, I am new to PC building and have no idea who is right or if anyone is right.

>> No.70509441
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>>70509428
look at real benchmarks and reviews then..?

>> No.70509451

>>70509428
>So I should become an AMD cuck is what you're saying?
You're a cuck if you buy Intel because you lock yourself down with arbitrary limits so Intel can charge you more money for non-shit components.

>> No.70509479

>>70509441
Literally just a drawing with numbers on it, doesn't mean anything at all. My friend recommended intel, are you saying he is wrong? Besides AMD has the same security flaws.

>>70509451
I'm not worried about future proofing because it's a may may.

>> No.70509480

>>70509420
What air cooler would you get at 65mm height or lower?

>> No.70509562

>>70509318
What wasn't patched tho? Microcodes was updated last year. OS updates was rolled out too. W10 improved performance over time and it's pretty much the same as pre-mitigation right now.
Spoiler attack? Row hammer was around for many years now and I don't think that there were any successful attacks outside of the lab.

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>>70504742
I knew that some of those results where a mistake or something because today Steve has released pic related with a 2080ti and even the 1700 it's doing 141fps 1% lows

>> No.70509648

>>70509562
https://www.google.com/search?q=spectre+cant+be+patched

>> No.70509743

what is the difference between cores and threads when it comes to cpu performace?
what are the cores responsible for and what are the threads responsible for?
which one is more important and should i make look for cpu with higher number of cores of higher number or threads?

>> No.70509760

>>70509648
Do you realize that it's not an attack by itself? And it doesn't leak the content of the memory.
It just makes attack like row hammer (that existed for quite some time now. You may actually be vulnerable to it yourself by the way) easier. Nothing had changed really. All of the attack were possible before. On both Intel and AMD (it's mostly fault of the memory). No real attacks happened over the years. And I kind of doubt that they will happen now out of the sudden.

>> No.70509785

>>70509760
i still wont buy intel because they're a trashy anti-competitive company with bad business practices, especially now when AMD is less than 5% behind in performance and has less than one fifth the security holes, no matter how unlikely it is someone actually exploits them (which probably goes up after they've been exposed)

>> No.70509797

>>70505287
>i'll disprove him by proving him right

>> No.70509856
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>ryzen 2600 on special for 245 dollarydoos
Snapped. Can finally get rid of my 6th gen i5. I think this also hints that ryzen 2 is very close, like within 2 months close, since all ryzen cpus are on special. Also what's the go on vega 56? Some people are saying it's shit, some people are saying it's good when you oc it - it's confusing. I'm on 1440p and wanna get rid of my rx480, and wanna stick with amd.

>> No.70509857

>>70506888
>>70506997
He was also recommending the 3Gb 1060 and stood by that recommendation 2 years later when it showed after only 2 years that it was garbage that only got <30fps 1% minimums in half the games from the past 2 years.

>>70509565
Yep.
All that faggot does is post literally fake benchmarks then pretend to be other anons backing himself up.

>> No.70509883

>>70509856
>ryzen 2 is close
july

>some people are saying it's good when you oc it - it's confusing
hmmm yeah i heard about this magical thing called a benchmark, supposedly it shows exactly how it performs. cant be real this magic stuff

>> No.70509889

>>70509856
I'm on a 4th gen i5 and I'm still waiting for Ryzen 3000.
Also I hope that's not USD.

>> No.70509900

>>70509856
If you cannot wait for navi the vega 56 it's pretty good if you can find it for a price between the 1660ti and the 2060.

>> No.70509908

>>70509900
Not him but I can find it for used 1070 prices.
Though I only ever seen that MSI blower one.

>> No.70509927

>>70509908
For blower ones I would go for the undervolt rather than a heavy oc with a modified bios. Or else you'll get a jet plane taking of inside your case every time you play a game.

>> No.70509935

>>70509927
It's ok I have ear dildos

>> No.70509956

>>70509883
So it's a good card? I'm not sure what you're meaning...
>>70509889
AUD. Considering the 3600 would be a minimum AUD350, I'd rather save 100 bucks and get 6 cores now. I'm gonna oc it anyway and don't need the 8 cores of the newer models.
>>70509900
>wait
not this meme again. If they come out inside 6 months then I'll consider it, but otherwise I want to enjoy my time now.

>> No.70509983

>>70509956
245AUD for a 2600 isn't anything special IMO.
Get a decent mainboard too.

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>>70509956
>So it's a good card? I'm not sure what you're meaning...
i mean you're fucking retarded because you can easily find out yourself in less than 1 minute if it's good or not you massive tard

>> No.70510025

>>70509956
I just said to maybe wait since you are on a bare minimum acceptable card. But if you need it now just go for it if you can get it for a decent price. With a vega 64 bios I've heard that they overclock the HBM vram pretty well while undervolting

https://youtu.be/thAF3FSRf_M

Personally I'm on a gtx 970 and if I somehow managed to get my hands on a 1440p144hz with VRR monitor and I was not busy with moving out of the country I would go now for a vega 56 since I can get a dual fan one for 300€. (20€ more than a 1660ti and 50€ less than a 2060) and tinker with it for fun.

>> No.70510075

I wish AMD went back to its Phenom II days so this pointless cpu war would die.

>> No.70510082

>>70510024
That chart is fucking stupid. Fuck off AMD shill.

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>>70510075
>AMD please go away so Intel can rape me with kike tax for overclocking, pci-e lanes and more cores/threads

>> No.70510096

>>70510086
lol AMD is slowly becoming the kikes now.

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>>70510082
>gamersnexus a shill and does stupid benchmarks

>> No.70510102

>>70509856
A 480 8Gb can do decent at 1440p. It'll do older games fine, as it's +/- a 290X which did 1440p well in older games. Console ports you can still generally do on like medium-high settings with AA off, too.
I'd go ahead and upgrade monitor, THEN see if you really need to upgrade your GPU for what you play or not, but have the money set aside in case you do.
The people saying Vega56 is shit are just dumb shills. It only uses like 30watts more power than a 2060 and is +/- the same performance.
Red Devil is fine and I saw it for $315 yesterday. The Strix is a bit better and has also been on sale lately. But you might want to wait for Navi.
>>70509908
It's better than a 1070, so if you want to go used it's a clearly better buy for the same cost. Just make sure, for sure, that it works in person.

>>70510082
Their point still stands. Look at benchmarks for games you play.

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>>70510096
>save 30-50% by choosing AMD for workstations and servers
>AMD are the kikes

>> No.70510139

>>70510110
Keep saying that. Walk into any business and you will see Intel. AMD is small time.

>> No.70510153

>>70510139
keep coping

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/281741-new-retail-data-shows-amd-outselling-intel-21

>> No.70510156
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>its another Intel vs AMD episode
Can the mods please do their jobs?

>> No.70510170

>>70510153
>retail data
lol

>> No.70510178

>>70510170
learn what an update cycle is, shitter. google, amazon and several more bigbois partnered with AMD and i doubt anyone of them will buy intel housefires that lost up to 50% of the performance after spectre and meltdown

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>>70510102
Alright, I guess I'll just wait then, mainly because I think it'd be harder to get rid of the v56 than the rx480. I wont sell my i5 and z170 board just yet, so I can sell it as a whole system for cheap when navi comes out to subsidize the cost of the upgrade.

>> No.70510217

>>70510178
Imagine being this much of a fan boy. lmao @ your life.

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>>70510217
you're dumber than an anti-vaxer

>> No.70510264
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R8
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tLCMhy

>> No.70510286

>>70510264
>that budget
>mediocre CPU cooler

>> No.70510297

>>70510286
Looks similar to the 212 to me, and I was pretty happy with that.
Sell me on a better one?

>> No.70510305

what's a good cpu that isn't a housefire

>> No.70510322

>>70510305
2600k is still amazing.

>> No.70510326

>>70510305
9700k

>> No.70510330

>>70510297
>looks like 212
nigger the 212 is fucking mediocre aswell why the fuck would you pick such garbage on your budget?

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu-cooler/overall-list/#X=7902,11263&m=337,99,229,79&sort=price&page=1&H=134000000,172000000

>>70510305
ryzen 5 and 7 and any intel i3-i5 or i7.

>> No.70510352

>>70509392
Stay away from msi armour, that cooler is terrible, there is an asus strix which is top tier at a lower price, not sure how it would fit that case though.
Also consider 16GB of ddr4 3000-3200 ram since you only have 2 slots.

>> No.70510362

>>70510330
>nigger the 212 is fucking mediocre aswell why the fuck would you pick such garbage on your budget?
Why do I need something better?
My reasoning was this:
>stock cooler is perfectly fine
>the $25 tower cooler is even better
>can't overclock the 2700X much anyway
What would I get out of spending $70 more?

>> No.70510427

>>70510362
X CPUs boost higher if temps are kept at or below 60c. Better cooler = faster CPU. Spend an extra $20 or so goddman.

>> No.70510429

>>70510264
ssd looks a bit overpriced, you can get bigger and faster ones at that price point, like https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kVzkcf/adata-xpg-sx8200-pro-512-gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-asx8200pnp-512gt-c

>> No.70510490

Would the 212 be enough to cool a 9700k or do I need to go for the NH-D15?

>> No.70510499

>>70510427
I'll look into it and compare local prices for the listed ones.
Most of those list that you have to contact the company for an AM4 socket kit because they don't ship them, that sounds like such a hassle.

>>70510429
Are these actually trustworthy?
Over here it's

>Adata
>500GB, 3500/3000MB/s, 109 euro

>Samsung
>500GB, 3500/2500MB/s, 116 euro

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>>70510429
>>70510499
also this

>> No.70510522

Any tips for a 350$ gaming build?
(yes that is my budget 350$ because those are hard to get in RON)
my attempt to make a budget gaming build was as following:
>Ryzen 3 2200g
>the cheapest B350 mobo (from a known maker)
>8GB DDR4 2400 (yes 2x4gb sticks)
>the rest is bought with what remained of the budget

Any tips or improvements?

>> No.70510536

>>70510522
Buy used

>> No.70510550

>>70510536
>used
but what

>> No.70510552

I'd like to have spoonfed a wireless KB&M combo that costs less than 50 EUR but is still worth while.
>Country: Germany
>Uses: My dad's old combo kinda an hero'd
The only thing I'd like it to have is to have a decently large mouse.

>> No.70510554

>>70510522
>>70510550
depends on what games you intend to play on it

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are you my frens....

>> No.70510597

>>70510554
Like modern-ish games (R6, warframe, Doom Eternal).

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>>70502792
$700 USD
>R7 2700/X
>whatever RAM sticks
I am just not sure how much to get
>graphics card?
Im not sure about, I have never tried to build my own VM environment so I'm not sure if its ok to skimp or not
>Whatever keyboard, mouse, monitor, NIC, case
Goodwill used ghetto shit
>power supply
Gunna depend on the rest of the system but I'm feeling like one with some beef would be better
>motherboard
I'm not sure how much its going to matter for VM work
>OS
Linux something. I don't know which Linux OS suits my VM needs best but I am happy to experiment.

Basically I want to set up a virtual server to test shit on. Virtual router, switches, and machines. But I need a beasty to do It. Anyone done similar stuff?

>> No.70510624

>>70510490
Forgot to mention I wanna have a go at OC'ing too. Anyone?

>> No.70510645

>>70510550
Everything.
Could save quite a bit that way.

>> No.70510670

>>70510499
You have a 250GB samsumg evo 970 on your pcpartpicker. At thate price difference is whatever. Anyways ceck userbenchmarks.com or some actual reviews.

>>70510490
Maybe at stock frequency wouldn't struggle too much... but seriously get a high end cooler, good aio meme, NH-D15, le grand macho rt, or if you finished your neetbucks to buy the cpu go with something like Thermalrigh TRUE Spirit 140 POWER which is great bang for buck.

>> No.70510677

>>70510610
You can skip the GPU if you're gonna build a headless server

>> No.70510678

>>70510264
Near perfect build except for not giving a legitimate reason for having an NVMeme and that you'd be better off getting a used 1080Ti.
>>70510286
That's really all of a cooler it needs. Lmao. It's not a housefire like an i7 or i9.

>>70510305
2600 and 2700 have the highest perf/watt by far.

>>70510490
You need a 185W TDP cooler just for stock with MCM enabled.

>>70510610
You could just get a used card. Like a Radeon 460

>>70510522
>>70510597
I'd really spring for the 2400G if you can. 4 threads will keep things smoother for longer. It'll last much longer before you'll feel the need to upgrade the CPU.
Whereas with the 2200G, as soon as you add on a GPU you'll need to upgrade the CPU as well.

>> No.70510691

>>70510490
212 is only a step up from the stock cooler. since u got a K u should also man up and get a good cooler for it.

>>70510429
it's a fucking samsung NVMe, you're gonna have a hard time finding someone as fast and reliable.
i'd get the 500GB one if anything...

>>70510522
>Any tips for a 350$ gaming build?
>yes that is my budget
save up more money and wait until Ryzen 3000 comes this summer.

>>70510550
you can probably get used Ryzen 2000 stuff when people upgrade to Ryzen 3000.

>>70510597
Doom is the only one of those you're not going to have to run on lowest settings and 720p resolution with a fucking 2200G to get playable framerates.

save up more money, for fuck sake, otherwise you're going to be stuck in eternal upgrade-loop and wasting money in the long run.


>>70510610
>how much ram?
At least 16GB but depends on how many VMs you're going to run, might want to consider 32GB. Find out how much each one you run use.
You dont need overkill PSU for running VMs on a R7. get a modular 650W gold rated one (not rosewill) and it will last you several upgrades.

>>70510624
get one of these linked >>70510330

>>70510670
>userbenchmarks
yeah no, dont.

>>70510678
>That's really all of a cooler it needs. Lmao. It's not a housefire like an i7 or i9.
yeah, if you just gonna run it stock

>> No.70510732

>>70510691
>yeah no, dont.
Better than looking at the official specs for transfer rates

>> No.70510735

Coolermaster 500p mesh, fractal design meshify, or something else for an airflow focused mid tower?
And what are some good brands for case fans if I wanted to keep the volume down on them without sacrificing much cooling? At first I was considering a more quiet focused case like a fractal define or a be quiet case but I worry about the cooling, especially if I start overclocking.

>> No.70510755

>>70509743
bump this?

>> No.70510795

>>70510522
I've build a second PC last year for roughly the same cost. It was probably just around $350 mark (bought it when ebay had 15% discount just before black friday).
Scored 2400G for $135, MSI B450 Mortar for $70 and 16 gb of 3600/19 RAM (used as 3200/15) for $120. And roughly $70 more for case and PSU (I already had a spare SSD).
You could probably hit the same price if you'll find a cheap mobo. Used 2400G are around $110-$120. 3200/16 is around $100. Cheap SSD's from Aliexpress is probably an option too if you're really short on cash (256 Gb is around $30. Quality may be bad tho)

>> No.70510798

>>70510670
>>70510678
>>70510691
Alright, thanks.

>> No.70510840

>>70510795
Thought you can't run odd CAS with Ryzen?
So unless it's CL14 it's no better than CL16

>> No.70510858

>>70510732
>thinks the only option is looking at the advertised speeds
>use this retarded benchmark with a billion different hardware configurations instead of a real benchmark done by independent testers
fucking kill yourself

>> No.70510901

>>70509743
Google it, wtf.
Look up SMT. And keep in mind that HT is proprietary garbage which isn't nearly as good. HT is actually bad now as it has its own security vulnerabilities and its performance has become worse. It now consumes twice as much power compared to the extra performance it provides.

You can assume that Intel with HT basically has 1.15x more cores for multithreading's sake on average. So a 6 core is like a 6.9 core.
You can assume that AMD with SMT basically has 1.3x more cores for multithread's sake on average. So a 6 core Ryzen is like a 7.8 core.
That is how the 2600X, despite lower clock speeds, outperforms the 8700k (6c/12t) and is barely behind the 9700k(8c/8t) in multithreading performance.

In AMD's case, it allows multiple software threads to simultaneously share each core because a single software thread can rarely saturate the entire core due to waiting for cache/memory, branch prediction, etc. For HT, there are cases where it can context switch (but it's not good at it and it can cause other threads to hang which causes hitching and generally less smoothness in multitasking) to switch to another thread when the current one would be idle.

>> No.70510943

>>70510522
Buy a second hand machine and upgrade the graphics card.

>> No.70510963

>>70510840
>Thought you can't run odd CAS with Ryzen?
Only with Geardown Mode enabled AFAIK.
Should probably test it just out of curiosity tho.

>> No.70511003

>>70510858
Your butthurt is impeding your reading ability.
I've suggested him to take a look at userbenchmarks OR SOME ACTUAL REVIEWS as opposed to looking at official specs.

>> No.70511039

>>70510840
You certainly can, it just may not have an efficient voltage/CAS relationship. Similar to how overclocking the core prefers the frequency ending in roughly 25 or 75 instead of 00 or 50 and you get slightly higher clocks per voltage that way.

ie 3333 CL15 might take 1.35v, 3333CL14 1.4v and 3333CL13 takes 1.5v whereas 3533CL14 might take 1.45v. MAYBE.

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Hey so I'm getting all my PC parts...
Should I just buy W10? Is there any reliable place to just download it?

>> No.70511151

>>70511003
doesnt fucking matter when you mentioned userbenchmarks at all, dipshit. it's a fucking shit bench and a shit website and you shouldnt fucking bring it up for retards because they'll unironically use it just like your dumb ass did
>hurr durr butthurt
im still right and you're still retarded

>> No.70511163

>>70511141
no. microsoft.

>> No.70511207

>>70510901
Oops I severely undersold it
2600X @ 4GHz = 1384 cinebench
9700k @ 4.6GHz = 1512 cinebench
theoretical 4.6GHz 2600x = 1591 cinebench
6 Ryzen cores with SMT is better than 8 cores.
The scaling is closer to 1.4x than 1.3x

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>>70511151
Imagine being this mad about a website, what an idiot lmao

>> No.70511270

>>70511141
You should fucking kill yourself, you disgusting attention whoring anime pedo fag

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>>70511248
imagine telling people to check out a "benchmarking" website that doesnt even have accurate benchmarks

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>>70510326
Nice joke

>> No.70511370

New thread

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>>70511354
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