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Why wait for Zen 3 when you can get this NOW?
Isn't Zen 3 going to be near this performance wise?

>> No.70431011

>>70430959
Yes but hopefully it won't cost as much as the i9. Also it seems it will be more power efficient.

>> No.70431054

I'm holding my breath until I see zen 3's gayming performance.

>> No.70431068

>>70431054
don’t top tier intel vs amd cpus have literally like a 10fps difference while pushing 100 frames making the difference inconsequential?

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>>70430959
There's just this tiny, little, minuscule problem of increased heat dissipation. That's all.

>> No.70431101

>>70431011
>>70431054
Cost maybe the only issue. No one cares about power efficiency at this performance level. Also, I don't think Zen 3 is going to push more than 4.8 Ghz. So the performance difference is going to be negligible.

>> No.70431111
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>>70431101
>No one cares about power efficiency at this performance level.
This, just get an industrial water chiller.

>> No.70431118

>>70430959
Price is the reason.
Remember that the i9 doesn’t come with a stock cooler, and you need a pretty beefy one to get at those 5GHz speeds without firehouses.

>> No.70431122

>>70431099
Which program is he running to stress the CPU? 1.33v is too high. I have a D15 and 9900k running and [email protected] and never do I go above 90C on any benchmark/stress program.

>> No.70431129

>>70431122
Blender which is less stressful than prime95 with avx enabled. What industrial water chiller are you using?

>> No.70431274

>>70431129
I'm only using a D15.

>> No.70431293

>>70431274
Never heard of that industrial chiller, does it require a dedicated 240V plug?

>> No.70431685

>>70430959
that thing is a housefire

>> No.70431712

>>70430959
The middle of the range Zen2 (ryzen3000) matched this at less than half the power, core for core, live on stage in january, with an early engineering sample (probably the "r5 3600" equivalent.

I'd think a 3600X or 3700X will be better performance than it, considering AMD's equally priced processors (lower threadrippers) already destroy it in multithreaded workloads for much less power. So yeah. It would be nice to have better performance, that costs less, has cheaper motherboards, uses less power, has lower temperatures, etc.

>> No.70431713

>>70430959

9900K is shit-tier even for Intel-fags. It is marginally faster than 8700K and 9700K while consuming a fuck-ton more power.

>> No.70431730

>>70431712
The ces demo was an 8 core cpu, a ryzen 7 3000.

>> No.70431778

>>70431712
As I said already here >>70431101, no one cares about power at this performance level.
I think Ryzen 3000 is being over hyped af like the Vega. I don't think it's going to push more than 4.8 Ghz or 5Ghz at best, at which point it will be almost like a 9900k. The only thing that matters will be the price and again, with the recent trends, I think people are going to be disappointed.

>> No.70431785

>>70431778
t. trendlet

>> No.70431825

>>70431111
kek nice quads
looks like you need a 4 figure budget to use intel these days

>> No.70431837

>>70431730
>Only one fucking chiplet
>Impying the ryzen 7 won't be 12 core or 16 core
AMD_moar_coerz.jpg

>> No.70431858

>>70431101
>No one cares about power efficiency at this performance level.
FUCKING COPE INTEL NIGGERS
"""POWER CONSUMPTION DOESN'T MATTER!!!"""

>Multi-core doesn't matter!
>Productivity doesn't matter!
>Price/performance doesn't matter!
>Performance per watt doesn't matter!
>Power usage doesn't matter!
>Temperatures don't matter!
>Soldered dies don't matter!
>Stutters don't matter!
>Streaming doesn't matter!
>Data centers don't matter!
>Locked CPUs don't matter!
>OEMs don't matter!
>Hyperscalers don't matter!
>Upgradeability doesn't matter!
>Anti-competitive business practices don't matter!
>Locked platform features don't matter!
>Synthetic loads don't matter!
>PCI-e lanes don't matter!
>Burnt pins don't matter!
>Heat doesn't matter!
>1771w cooler doesn't matter!
>Server space doesn't matter!
>ECC support doesn't matter!
>Free RAID doesn't matter!
>NVMe RAID doesn't matter!
>StoreMI doesn't matter!
>IPC doesn't matter!
>7nm doesn't matter!
>HEDT doesn't matter!
>Stock coolers don't matter!
>Security doesn't matter!
>Games don't ALWAYS matter!
>Enterprise doesn't matter!
>Hyperthreading doesn't matter!
>VMware doesn't matter!
>MySQL doesn't matter!
>Unix doesn't matter!
>Linux doesn't matter!
>Waffer yields don't matter!
>Benchmarks after full patches don't matter!
>Asian markets don't matter!
>Own fabrics don't matter!
>Chipset lithography doesn't matter!
>Cray doesn't matter!
>Cisco doesn't matter!
>HPE doesn't matter!
>AZURE doesn't matter!
>5nm doesn't matter!
>TDP doesn't matter!
>10nm doesn't matter!
>Cache doesn't matter!
>IGPU doesn't matter!
>PCI-Express 4.0 doesn't matter!
>*NEW* Amazon sales don't matter!
>*NEW* Prime95 AVX doesn't matter!
>*NEW* Custom Foundry Business doesn't matter!

>> No.70431867

>>70431837
The ryzen 9 will be 12 cores. We haven't seen any bench for a 16 cores cpu so far, so it's likely there won't be one for the time being.

>> No.70431875

>>70431858
autism

>> No.70431882

>>70431858
What did you do on April 2?

>> No.70432238
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70432238

So many AMDrones in here it's hilarious.

>> No.70432251

>>70432238
>1080p medium
Why not test with 720p low while at it?

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70432268

>>70432238
This also shows "more cores" isn't always the answer. I can't wait for zen 3 to come out rocking 4.8ghz+ and be a bigger house fire than a 9900k. A lot of glorious seething ahead.

>> No.70432278

>>70432251
I agree, it would put more stress on the CPU and have an even bigger lead.

>> No.70432298

The 8 core 3600x part is going to match the 8800k for 300 dollars less. The 12 core 3700x and 16 core 3800x parts will destroy it.

>> No.70432306

Probably just going to wait for Ice Lake i7 at this rate. Curious to see how Zen 2's likely higher memory latency compared to Zen+ will affect its performance

>> No.70432318

>>70432278
Now turn it up and it leads less.

>> No.70432344
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70432344

>>70432318
It's measuring the performance metric you troglodyte.

>> No.70432351

>>70432238

This fucking basketball american posts 1080p/med on a fucking AC game and thinks it's relevent. Move outta your parents basement and learn that there is more to life then vidja. My fuckin 8 or so year old 3570k can run that game with fine framerate on linux you dafty cunt.

>> No.70432354

>>70431882
kek i wish the intel pasta was a perk
>>70432238
>assassin's creed origins
>2600x not listed
>9400f not listed
>those 0.1% lows
hmm those 9900 speeds...should refer to the temperatures posted here...>>70431099

>> No.70432358

>>70432238
>gaming
Fuck off to /v/

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70432370

>>70432318
>>70432351
>>70432354
>>70432358

Absolutely seething

>> No.70432382

Love to see zen3 temps with a 5ghz all core. 9900k v2 incoming.

>> No.70432391

Because my 2700x does everything I need it to at the moment and uses 1/3 of the power and is 90% as fast at 4ghz with decent 3200 cl14 memory

>> No.70432401

>>70432382
Is anyone actually thinking it's not going to be fermi level of toasty?

>> No.70432426

>>70432401
AMD shills will believe anything you tell them to try and justify owning cheap inferior hardware. It's like they're trying to justify being poor.

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>>70432426
>>70430959
>>70431099
>>70431111
>>70431129
>>70431293
>>70431685
>>70431858

>> No.70432472

>>70431858
Thanks, based sperg.

>> No.70432480

>>70432426
Oy vey goym buy the latest intel chip which costs $200 more with mobos that switch sockets like its a cheap whore with cocks. I'm not retarded and think that a 12c/24t system will hold a stable clock of 5ghz but I'm also not fucking running benchmarks all day. Fuck I'll be happy with a cpu/mobo combo with proper IOMUU groupings with more cores for more whores that actually makes upgrading my old ass system worthwhile.

>> No.70432485

>>70430959
>Isn't Zen 3 going to be near this performance wise?
what amd showed as a demo was a mid range 8core vs this abomination

>> No.70432501

I have an i5. It's cheap, it's effective for its price, and it just werks.

>> No.70432519

>>70432480
Prepare to be disappointed, any 8+ core system with a 5ghz all core is going to be an abominable city fire. But hey, At least you'll have moar cores to blend your bits with.

>> No.70432539

>>70430959
Zen 2*. 1xxx is zen, 2xxx is zen+, 3xxx is zen 2.

>> No.70432554

>>70432519
Fuck 5.0ghz all cores, if new ryzen can hold mid to low 4s on 24 threads but can hold 5 on 3c/6t I'll be over the fucking moon.

>> No.70432812

>>70432519
why? a 2700x at 4.3ghz is nowhere near a housefire and remember they scale as linear as possible not like intel that each 100mhz you need a fucking scania radiator

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70432917

>>70432812
Either you're a liar or in denial or just stupid. Ryzen is less power efficient and hotter than a 9900K lmfao.

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70433038

>>70432917
he isn't wrong

>> No.70433078

>>70432917
would also like to throw one further point out there about it, Intel's last few generations of CPU's are so bad that they have to downclock just to handle AVX workloads, AMD doesn't.

>> No.70433084

>>70433078
Clock speed is to low to be relevant anyways, Whats your point.

>> No.70433093

>>70433038
What would the 2700X power consumption be at 5ghz?

>> No.70433148

>>70433038
That's because most motherboard manufacturers are overvolting the hell out of the 9900k and running at a much higher TDP than Intel specified.

>> No.70433157

>>70433078
>Implying AMD wouldn't be an absolute housefire at higher clock speeds.

Deluded as fuck.

>> No.70433165

>>70433148
this

>> No.70433168

>>70432917
>compares a mere 180 watts that can be aircooled
vs
>a literal housefire of an 8 core that could melt metal gear

>> No.70433187

>>70430959
Because it costs 500 fucking euros

>> No.70433190
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70433190

>>70433168
I have a 9900K and undervolted it to 1.3v at 5ghz all core, You have no idea what you're talking about poorfag.

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70433203

>>70433190
Actually lower, I forgot i undervolted to 1.28v

>> No.70433209

>>70431778
Zen2 is literally rumored to run at 5ghz and a zen2 processor actually did beat a 9900k at CES. Sooooo

>> No.70433213

>>70433209
You really think they were going to make it remotely fair?

>> No.70433227
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70433227

>>70433190
>poorfag
you seriously want to dick wave?

have fun

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70433236

>>70433190
>850 pros
>Calling anyone a poorfag

>> No.70433237

>>70433213
no you are right ES samples by default cannot run on high clocks

>> No.70433244

>>70433213
...what? What is not fair?

>> No.70433251

>>70433227
>amd
>linux
as stupid as he is for buying an i9, hes right about you being a poorfag
poorfag.

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70433269

>>70433251
you are right afterall having 2 epycs means im a poorfag

>> No.70433270

>>70433236
Says the poorfag

>> No.70433272

>>70433251
T. Poorfag

>> No.70433279

>>70433269
Company computer=My computer!

>> No.70433281

>>70433251
>>70433269
>>70433270
>>70433272
Quality thread

>> No.70433283

>>70433270
Ok, poorfag

>> No.70433286

>>70433269
leave the build server alone jamal

>> No.70433291

>>70433279
last time i checked this was my house but go ahead im sure you gonna find another excuse

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70433297

>>70433283

>> No.70433298

>>70433279
COPE

>> No.70433312

>>70433297
OBSESSED

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70433341

Ryzen is still better

>> No.70433363

>>70431837
>>70431867
Yeah a 16 core Ryzen would be too power hungry for AM4, all it would do would be make people cry that their old boards don't support it for power reasons.

Of course they could release it with very low clocks but what would be the point of that..?

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70433364

>>70430959

Why be a cuck when I can be a god if I wait a couple months?

>> No.70433382

>>70432318
>using optimal settings for CPU testing without hitting GPU bottleneck is bad because it makes AMD look bad
The absolute state of AMDrones

>> No.70433400

>>70433363
you think amd would go so far to say that they aregoing to support am4 till ddr 5 comes without knowning beforehand that their future cpu's could handle?

are you nuts?

>> No.70433430

>>70433400
>you think amd would go so far to say that they aregoing to support am4 till ddr 5 comes without knowning beforehand that their future cpu's could handle?
You know it's not about what the socket can handle but how the board makers went and fucked shit up to save 0.01$ per board?

Bulldozer CPUs were supposed to be an AM3 upgrade until AMD realised board makers didn't make most of their boards up to AM3 specs and simply left some socket pins unconnected because existing CPUs didn't use them anyway.

This time it's not about socket but about VRMs and it's fully up to board makers how shitty they were made, not AMD

>> No.70433444

>>70433430
nobody is that stupid we know already that at least some boards
taich and gigabyte ones have a pretty good power delivery

>> No.70433474

>>70430959
Hi shill,
I know you're going for the tried and true method of "just pay more if you're not poor", but I will never buy intel and I know many others are the same. It's got nothing to do with money. That's right I know it's hard for you to comprehend, but you can't get round this one with shekels.
So you want to know why, right? Well for some people it might be political, a lack of trust, or maybe even an anti-shill response, but again in my experience they are outliers. The key reason is your continual burial of the facts regarding spectre, meltdown, and all the other nasty backdoor boogiemen that are inherent to the very architecture of your products. The fact that performance speeds of intel processors remain their UNPATCHED speeds. The fact that when secure, your processors are now significantly slower than your rivals. You play it down because it's valuable to keep goys unpatched, that's where your real profits lie, but the damage has been done, and the truth will not be easily forgotten.

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>>70433474
Have a good time with your slower unsupported inferior hardware anon, Stick it to the man and godspeed.....

>> No.70433529

>>70433521
Intel is only faster if it's unpatched. You know this right?

>> No.70433545

>>70433227
>>70433269
why did you take a photo?

>> No.70433550

>>70432238
based Intel

>> No.70433554

>>70432812
>a fucking scania radiator
Moderate kek

>> No.70433560

>>70430959
>Isn't Zen 3 going to be near this performance wise?

HA HA HA
Zen 3 will have same simgle clock or better while having double the cores, half the price AND being compatible with existing AM4 mobos.

Tge only reason i don't wait for zen 3 is because Zen2 is fucking great anyway.

I'm gonna buy the last chip that's going to support DDR4 and keep it for a long time.

>> No.70433594

>>70433382
>Not a real life use case

>> No.70433611

>>70433529
Even patched it still can't be touched, Tell us another one.

>> No.70433646
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70433646

I'm happy with my 9900k

>> No.70433664

>>70433611
Patching reduces speed by 40%
So unless you're trying to say intel cpus are more than 40% faster than the competition, which is objectively false, I think we're gonna need some proof to back up your claims.
Oh wait, you don't have any, because it doesn't exist.

>> No.70433677

>>70430959
That's exactly what I did 4 months ago.
Why should I wait for more than half a year for same performance if money is no issue?

Anyone who's saying otherwise is seething because they Just Wait (TM) only because they couldn't afford the i9 back then.

>> No.70433691

>>70433209
Just one slightly higher CB score isn't exactly beating.

>>70433364
But I'm the god NOW and you're the cuck.

>>70433474
>>70433529
9th gen has hardware fixes for those, you know that, right?

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>>70433664
>I think we're gonna need some proof to back up your claims
Here you go, idiot

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13659/analyzing-core-i9-9900k-performance-with-spectre-and-meltdown-hardware-mitigations

>> No.70433718

>>70433291
>last time i checked this was my house but go ahead im sure you gonna find another excuse


Is that why you had to take a picture with your camera/phone?

>> No.70433733

>>70433664
see >>70433646

I patched mine, you literally don't know what you're talking about.

>> No.70433752

>>70433227
>>70433269
lol what a faggot

>> No.70433775

>>70433718
visit me at /r/homelab maybe you can learn a thing or two about homemade servers

not that you will ever but anyway

>> No.70433814

>>70433545
>>70433718
holy fuck you did not just said that

do you even know what kind of shit he is running you idiots?

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>> No.70433921

>>70433814
It's a linux server, are we supposed to be amazed?

>> No.70433929

>>70430959
>Isn't Zen 3 going to be near this performance wise?
Will see at 27th May.
As for now, I'm happy with my Ryzen 3 2300X.

>> No.70433938

>>70433594
How far will AMDrones go with their logic gymnastics simply to say
>performance doesn't matter

>> No.70433968

>>70433921
there is literally no way to get a screenshot of a cli
well not in any easy way

>> No.70434090

>>70430959
>Isn't Zen 3 going to be near this performance wise?
No. The i9 is equivalent to the mid-range Zen at 8 cores.
The high-end is going to have 16 cores, which will wipe the floor with poor i9.

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>>70430959
>>70431054
>>70431101
>>70432268
>>70432485
>>70433560
>>70433929
>Zen 3

It's Zen 2 you dumb fucks. You meant Ryzen 3rd gen, or Ryzen 3xxx.
Zen, Zen+ and Zen 2 are the names of the architectures.

>> No.70434126

>>70433691
>one slightly higher CB score isn't exactly beating
When you do that with your mid-range chip against Intel's biggest and baddest, it's a pretty huge defeat for the i9.

>> No.70434128

>>70434115
6 our of 7 answers talks about zen 3 lol

>> No.70434133

>>70430959
>>70430959
>intel
rejected

>> No.70434154

>>70434133
>>70434115

>I like slower hardware because of muh brand loyalty!!

Get a fucking job already.

>> No.70434244

>>70434126
>mid-range chip
>wanttobelieve.jpg

>> No.70434271

>>70434128
Exactly, so? What do you mean?

>>70434154
Why are you replying to me?

>>70434244
You been sleeping under a rock? Checked the news?

>> No.70434283

>>70434271
>Exactly, so? What do you mean?
nothing i just pointed it out

>> No.70434294

>>70434244
lisa so basicly confirmed on her interview at pcworld that more variants with a secon chiplet will be available

aka 8/10/12/16 maximum

>> No.70434318

>>70433717
>Meldown
Yeah definitely seems like a legit source anon, I'll totally disregard the thousands of reports showing significant speed decreases and instead believe this single unverified, unreferenced piece of information that totally hasn't just been pulled out of someone's ass.
On an unrelated note, are you an anti-vaxxer perchance?

>> No.70434413

>>70433691
Beating it isn't beating it. Ok.

>> No.70434445

>>70434271
>>70434294
Literally speculation. Second chiplet could be integrated Pooga for all we know. She never said it would be compute chiplet.

>>70434318
>AnandTech
>unverified/not credible

>> No.70434490

>>70431068
AMD BTFO

>> No.70434518

>>70430959
>>70431054
Its called Zen 2 or ryzen 3rd gen you retards
zen 3 wont be a thing until 2020 or 2021

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>>70431858
SHITel niggerfaggots BTFOREVER

>> No.70434542

>>70434115
How GNU r u?

>> No.70434553

>>70433279
>>70433718
>>70433251
Ugly, dumb, and poor inteljeets.

>> No.70434617

>>70434445
You nigger, they said second chiplet wont be a gpu and mattise chips will not come with one either.
Ontop, theres 12 core benchs in some databases
>the absolute ammount of desilution itt

>> No.70434679

>>70434445
>Literally speculation. Second chiplet could be integrated Pooga for all we know. She never said it would be compute chiplet.


>Some people may have noticed on the package some extra room,” she said with a chuckle. “There is some extra room on that package and I think you might expect we will have more than eight cores.”

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3332205/amd-ceo-lisa-su-interview-ryzen-raytracing-radeon.html

literally her own words

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>>70430959
>intel
rejected

>> No.70434701

>>70430959
Why would I want IDF slapped to my mobo?

>> No.70434767

>>70434693
>>70434701
>>70434553
>>70434531
Present day /g/ everyone, You guys have fun with your reddit tier tech board where intellect need not apply.

>> No.70434834

>>70434445
>Literally speculation
Lisa Su said herself that there will be more than 8 cores. Wtf dude

>> No.70434841

>>70434767
jast sell intell stocks a become happy

>> No.70434864

>>70431011
>>70431054
>>70431068
>>70431099
>>70431111
As someone with no money concerns, will invest in ridiculous cooling solutions and wants the most powerful machine i can buy immediately - should I order the i9?
If the ryzen is just better value for money, then i would tell you that time is money also.

>> No.70434894

>>70434864
if you have no money issues, just buy the i9 now and zen 3 on release
:^)

>> No.70434907

>>70434894
what a useless response from a board of useless people

>> No.70434917

>>70434907
your question was retarded

>> No.70434928

>>70434917
no, it wasnt. you are just being petulant when its obvious to any human who has interacted with other humans before, that i have no desire for both - or else the question wouldnt be asked.
you useless geek fuck off

>> No.70435014

>>70434928
you seem new

>> No.70435504

>>70434864
You should if you need the best right now.
I absolutely hate waiting and wasting my time. So I bought i9 9900k when my previous mobo died (P67/2600k). I just want the best shit there is right when I need it. I don't mind spending a little extra as it goes a lot longer.

Performance/dollar products become obsolete quickly. 9900k will be viable a lot longer than 2700X.

>> No.70435634

>>70435504
>9900k will be viable a lot longer than 2700X.
good goy

>> No.70435720

>>70435504
you will not even see the difference between a 2700x vs a 9900k
unless you do some heavy duty shit

so its pretty moot to shill intel here especially when they run hotter eat more power and basicly reqiures a new system every 2 years...

intel of 2019 is what amd was in 2013

>> No.70435724

Why the fuck would I want it when winter is already over?

>> No.70435773

>>70431099
That was an issue with early samples only which reviewers got off the black market, A retail chip will do 4.9Ghz 1.25V with no cooling issues

>> No.70436111

>>70431122
>90°
>Best air cooler known to /g/
>This is fine

>> No.70436154

>>70430959
zen 3? when the fuck did it become 2021.

>> No.70436159

>>70430959
Single core. But when you can get twice as many corse for the same price.

>> No.70436169

Hilarious how AMDrones shrug off gaming benchmarks but will be the first idiots to shove in your face that their fantasy 16-core 10Ghz AMD CPoo will top the gaming benchmarks.

>> No.70436193

Why buy that? Wasn't it beaten by an engineering sample of a mid-range (read: intentionally gimped) chip? Yeah no I think I'll wait for the superior product.

>> No.70436206

>>70436154
R*tards don't realize Ryzen 2xxx is Zen+ and Ryzen 3xxx is Zen 2

>> No.70436292

>>70435720
>you will not even see the difference between a 2700x vs a 9900k
>this is what AMD shills tell themselves
LMAO

>> No.70436343
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>>70435504
aint nobody got time fo' that
>>70435014
pic related
>>70436292
i assume he means that either of them are going to be capable of doing the tasks i throw at it - which would probably be true for most people. it might be true for me as well, but i would rather not find out.
my issue is that i require lots of high clock threads and that the software i use is fucking terrible at utilising many different threads and upon building complex projects it can very quickly become bottlenecked by its attempts to split processing into multiple, not fully utilised threads. ergo - clock speed > thread count but thread count ultimately limits the amount of serial processing i can do... it is a very hard time to build a machine considering time is money and amd are obviously upping their standards immensely.

>> No.70436768

>>70435634
>>70435720
This is exactly what AMD shills said during Phenom/Thuban era since gaming performance was close. Look how longer Sandy Bridge lasted compared to that.

>> No.70436786

>>70436193
>AMD
>Wait for Aother Massive Disappointment

>> No.70436797

>>70436768
Phenom x6 could still hold up okay if it wasn't for the missing instruction sets.

>> No.70436900

>>70430959
I just bought a 9900k rtx2080 clevo laptop.

>> No.70437062

Because you should be able to cool the ryzen 3000 with a normal cooler.

>> No.70437124

>>70432351
t. seething brainlet who doesn't realize a 1080p/med settings test is designed to put the bottleneck on the CPU and not the GPU

>> No.70437141

>>70436900
Yikes, have fun with your thermal throttling

>> No.70437181

>>70431099
i have a 9900k running at 5.0 ghz on all cores with a closed loop and it idles near 30 degrees C, max load it goes up to 50 degrees. this data is bullshit

>> No.70437187

>>70437141

i fully understand this is gonna be a thing,

but even if I overclocked an 8700k I'm still gonna end up with the same speed and fewer threads.

having full-fat pc parts running at 90% is still better than niggar wipping laptop optimised part at to go at 120% for still lesser performance.

>> No.70437287
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70437287

>>70437181
Who do I believe, people like derb8auer or this random anon with no proof?

>> No.70437332

>>70437287
those temps at that clock on a 9900 is not uncommon... the screenshot im replying to isn't even from derbauer, his video on the 9900k is inline with what i'm saying.
https://youtu.be/95Ujni7-fVM?t=405
@ 6:45

>> No.70437338

>>70437187
true dat

>> No.70437342

>>70437287
>ecelebs

>> No.70437348

>>70430959
>no avx512
>no ecc
"no!"

>> No.70437351
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>>70437287
wtf are you on about honestly
corsair h115i closed loop cooler

>> No.70437360
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>> No.70437361

>>70431778
Chiphell said it's only 4.7Ghz max

>> No.70437401

>>70433190
Are you happy with the MSI board or would you rather prefer an Asus one?

>> No.70437422

>>70437348
avx512 doesn't matter if it's intel cpu, only when it's a ryzen cpu avx512 suddenly matters xD

>> No.70437445

>>70431858
based

>> No.70437570

>>70437422
i'd be fine with an intel chip with avx512 support at a reasonable price point

maybe cooper lake?

>> No.70437687

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.chiphell.com%2Fthread-1974190-1-2.html

It's not looking good bros.

>> No.70437694

>>70436292
yes in games? you wont see any noticeable difference unless you are a meme 144hz
in productivity? ryzen and intel are close in make cases to a point that mere seconds is just the only argument intel fans have
the only difference is that amd now does everything on par but with less power and less heat

>> No.70437791

>>70431099
My 9900k doesn't even get near 85°c with kryonaut paste and a h150i. at 5.1ghz, what the fuck.

>> No.70437860

>>70437694
>meme 144hz
the difference between 60hz and 144hz is like night and day

>> No.70437865

I've been using an fx-8350 for the past few years and it has always felt underpowered and has given me problems.

I want to just get away from AMD and buy an i7 or i9, but I'm not sure if I should. Is it a good idea?

>> No.70437923

>>70433093
400w

>> No.70438008

The 9900kf with meltdown and spectre patches disabled is the best gayman's CPU right now. You can probably OC it to 5.3ghz with a 360mm AIO. Useless at 4k but god tier for 1080p/1440p.

>> No.70438064

>>70430959
It's likely that Zen 2 will cost less. It will almost certainly draw less power and give off less heat, too. That means you can build an equally fast system that's quieter (fewer/slower fans) than with an i9. For people who have their computer in the same room with them (i.e. most people), that's a huge bonus.

>> No.70438282

>>70433213
Well the CES 9900k had an equal CB score to pretty much any 9900k review so it wasn't gimped in any way.

>> No.70438320
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70438320

I'm going to get a 32 core 3950x and there's nothing you can do to stop me.

>> No.70438342

>>70433038
That 2700x casually consuming less power than a 4 core HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGG

>> No.70438403

>>70433093
That's not the issue here.
What you should worry about is what will Zen2's power consumption be at 5Ghz?

>> No.70438685

what kind of pricing can we expect from zen 2?

>> No.70438749

>>70438685
quad cores - $160-170
six cores - $200-230
eight cores - $300-330
twelve cores - $400-450

>> No.70438790

>>70437694
Once you've had 144hz you don't go back to 60

>> No.70438901

>>70434864
If you are asking this question, then you are a brainlet, so it won't make any difference what you end up buying. Just buy it and stfu

>> No.70438921

>>70430959
threadripper 16 core 32 thread. better off with that.

>> No.70438973

>>70434767
Ugly, dumb, poor and stinky inteljeet.

>> No.70439768

>>70431099
5gHz!? Boy howdy. I thought 4gHz was fast.

>> No.70439793

>all this intel fanboy cope and seething
Suits you right for being a retarded fanboy.

>> No.70439879

>>70438749
>quad cores - $160-170
fake news
Zen+ didn't even have quad cores, highly unlikely Zen2 will

>> No.70439920

>paying $500 for a dodecahedric box of swiss cheese

>> No.70439935

>>70439879
OEMs do. 2300X, 2500X.

>> No.70439988

>>70439879
The APUs were quad cores, weren't they?.

>> No.70440037

>>70439988
yes, but with a huge GPU attached to it

>> No.70440235

>>70439879
didnt you see the latest leaked benchs of 4core zen2?

>> No.70441350
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>>70438282

>> No.70441451

im waiting for ryzen 4k series

>> No.70441476

Is this the new intel shill strategy? Everyone pile into a single thread to make Intel seem popular?
I mean it won't work on any /g/ regulars but desu I can see it working on lurkers and newfags.
The sheer amount of outright lies in this thread are quite scary really. Then I suppose if I was Intel it would probably be the last option, given their products are now significantly worse than the cheaper competition with absolutely no hope of redemption.

>> No.70441555

>>70441476
>Slow inferior hardware is better!

>> No.70441568

>>70434907
>what a useless response from a board of useless people
Kill yourself you sack of nigger shit faggot

>> No.70441589

>>70432238
>So many AMDrones in here it's hilarious.
Go back to /v/, faggot

>> No.70441606

>>70441589
AMD fucking sucks

>> No.70441609

>>70434445
>Anandtech
Ah see what you've done here is ignored and avoided context, a typical jewish trick.
Those numbers you posted are the change in performance between the previous software/firmware patches in the older generation of cpus, and the new hardware implementation. Here's a quote from the article:
>The long and short of matters then is that based on the testing we've done thus far, it doesn't look like Coffee Lake Refresh recovers any of the performance the original Coffee Lake loses from the Meltdown and Spectre fixes. Coffee Lake was always less impacted than older architectures, but whatever performance hit it took remains in the Refresh CPU design. But at least the security for the two variants that Coffee Lake has hardware patches for is baked in, no matter where that processor goes.
Does it not bother you that you are paid to spread lies?

>> No.70441656

>>70441555
intel is so fast it literally burns

>> No.70441691
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70441691

>>70441656
Ryzen can't even get to 4.3ghz without being a cityfire, tell me another one.

>> No.70441705

>>70441691
180watts?! LMFAO

>> No.70441779

>>70431054
no

>> No.70441820

>>70430959
It's expensive, hot, has hardware security holes which need performance-degrading patches and is about to be replaced by a new stepping. In addition to that Ryzen 3000 may provide similar single-threaded performance while being cheaper or otherwise providing more cores for the same price.

>> No.70441840

>>70434864
I keep a [email protected] cool on air. You'll have to buy a beefy high-end cooler but don't get tripped up by amd memes.

>> No.70441848

>>70441656
>>70441691
>>70441705
>>70441779
Samefagging to bump rational arguments and facts off the bottom of the thread, hoping they'll be ignored? Sorry schlomo, just pisses me off and drives me to fight your misinformation campaign all the harder. Plus you're getting lazy, that last 'reply' didn't even make sense in context.

HEY NON-SHILLS, CHECK THIS OUT, CAUGHT OUT INTEL SHILLS LYING IN THIS THREAD
FOLLOW FROM HERE
>>70441609
>>70441609

>> No.70441885

>>70441840
AMD faggots finally get a taste of something semi decent and think they they can justify their poorness with shilling bullshit, Quite funny actually.

>> No.70441901

>>70441848
What misinformation? That ryzen isn't as efficient as you thought? How's that buyers remorse treating ya?

>> No.70441903

>>70438008
>incels literally have to poke more holes into their pozzed dumpster thermonuclear stutterfire to make it run games
Holy shit.

>> No.70441937
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70441937

>>70441903
Can't wait for zen 2 to be a nuke. The cope will be great.

>> No.70441955

>>70441901
Follow the thread back if you forgot your own lies already, it must be hard to keep track of them all!

HEY NON-SHILLS, CHECK THIS OUT, CAUGHT OUT INTEL SHILLS LYING IN THIS THREAD
FOLLOW FROM HERE
>>70441609 (You)
>>70441609 (You)

>> No.70441999

>>70441955
lol you're literally a psychopath and retarded. AYYMD is a pozzed piece of shit.

>> No.70442001

>>70441885
I've built a couple of AMD based systems and don't have much to say about them. I make the mistake of mentioning the 9900k is my daily driver and I get a horde of seethers flooding into the thread and repeating the same buzzwords/memes. These people are actual AMD stockholders and being actively paid to shill for the company. No some "0.02 rupees deposited" meme shit. They actually believe their personal finance is positively impacted by posting crying wojaks in blue hats.

>> No.70442006

>>70438749
too mach
im still happy with my AMD FX

>> No.70442026

>>70441937
Yeah because cramming up the voltage and overclocking an LP node is the way to go, that's why we overclock our phones and consoles SoC to the max.

Zen 3 will be HPC.

>> No.70442028
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70442028

>>70442001
Based 9900K bro.

>> No.70442065
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70442065

>>70442028

>> No.70442084

>>70441999
Nice argument schlomo

Hey check this out, caught out intel shills lying about their products!
See here
>>70441848

>> No.70442108

>>70442084
It's this sort of off the meds bullshit that makes AMD fans insufferable. The hardware is good under certain use-cases but some of the die-hard fans have this inferiority complex about it or something. It's fucking bizarre. I don't even feel like im interacting with humans when this is the kind of post you get in response.

>> No.70442109

>>70442084
lol

>> No.70442116

>>70431778
3700x will be on par with 9900k at 350 $. And 3850x will be faster and more expensive

Intel is fucked, they have production problems and they can t even lower prices

>> No.70442135

>>70442116
I can't wait for it to be an absolute house fire.

>> No.70442161

>>70442135
>needs to alert the village fire-brigade and every village within a days travel on the ganges every time he turns his computer on
>needs to have an army of poos lined from his computer room to the river passing buckets of water in case his reactor has a meltdown
>implying implications that Zen, one of the most power-efficient architectures in modern computing, will be a housefire

Keep coping you peice of shit intel shill.

>> No.70442171

>>70432238
you should've posted the f1 2018 result

>> No.70442178

>>70442161
180WATTS
8
0
W
A
T
T
S

>> No.70442196

>>70442108
Rather than insulting me, why not try to argue against the original point, or try to refute the accusations levelled at you? Oh right, you can't. All you're doing is continuing to highlight your deception.

Hey check this out, caught out intel shills lying about their products!
See here
>>70441848

>> No.70442197
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70442197

>>70442171
Oh you mean this one?>>70433341

>> No.70442208

>>70442197
4790K beating a 2700x top kek

>> No.70442251

>>70442161
>>70442116
>>70441903
>>70441820
>>70438973
>>70438064
>>70435720
>>70434553
>>70434531
>>70434133
>>70433341
>>70432480
>>70431858
Hey check this out, caught out intel shills lying about their products!
See here
>>70441848

>> No.70442262

>>70430959
100°C under water
Shitting up your ssd iops
Dead Plattform
700€

>> No.70442265

>>70442251
sir please delete your post and buy intel ok? need rupees for sandy bridge must shill intel ples buy intel ok?

>> No.70442270

>>70442108
I'm a 9900K owner and i just come here for the bantz knowing ryzen owners will seethe with rage if you talk down to their precious bargain bin chips. I love it

>> No.70442291

>>70442262
Every temp benchmark you see is with the reviewer throwing absurd amounts of volts at it. You don't know what you're talking about.

>> No.70442333

>>70442197
the 1080p results

>> No.70442372

>>70430959
I feel sorry for people who bought 9th gen intel cpu's instead of waiting for the new amd zen processors

>> No.70442375

>>70442291
>every 9900k is a golden sample capable of running 5.1Ghz @ 0.950mv
Fucking delusional intel spastics

>> No.70442376

>>70442291
>literally throttling at stock

>> No.70442380

>>70442333
I guess you want a higher resolution to give it more load to the gpu to hide the fact that amd is slower, It's a cpu performance metric if you didn't know any better.

>> No.70442390

>>70441691
>>70441705
>>70441901
>>70441937
>overclocking makes a CPU use more power
>somehow this is AMD's fault
Are you fucking retarded? Try using the same voltage in a 9900K, not even a 360mm custom loop will be able to cool it, as shown in >>70431099

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70442432

>>70442375
>>70442376
>>70442390
>>70442372

>> No.70442440

>>70442390

>Needing 1.4v to get to 4.3ghz

Top kekekek

>> No.70442463

>>70442440
>moving the goalposts
>falling for the GHz myth
Pathetic.

>> No.70442471

>>70442432
>>70442440
Holy shit, inteljeets are scared to death, so they try to shitpost as long as they can until zen 2 comes out

>> No.70442492

>>70430959
Because an AMD processor will be more relevant for intensive encoding, rendering, etc.

>> No.70442567

>>70442372
>>70442375
>>70442376
>>70442390
>>70442471
Hey check this out, caught out intel shills lying about their products!
See here
>>70441848

>> No.70442616

>>70430959
I got one of those i9 things and the blue case was completely shattered when in arrived in the mail

>> No.70442645

Makes you wonder if all the AMD shilling is by just one guy.......

>> No.70442658

>>70442567
Calm down, anon.

>>70442645
>thread full of Intlel shilling
>THOSE AMD SHILLS AGAIN!!!!
kys

>> No.70442664

>>70442658
>Performance doesn't matter!!!

>> No.70442691

>>70442664
>Only gaming matters!!!

>> No.70442696

>>70442658
NO U

>> No.70442762
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70442762

why do desktop users care about power consumption?

>> No.70442795

>>70442762
Because power consumption relates directly to heat and heat can be detrimental to performance (throttling or less aggressive boost) while also usually coming packaged together with an increase in noise and a more expensive cooling solution having to be bought.

>> No.70442799

>>70442762
Most people pay their own power bills.

>> No.70442812

>>70442762
>Someone in your house pays the electric bill, little jhonny

>> No.70442825

>>70442762
see
>>70431111

>> No.70442827

>>70432917

9900K is only more energy efficient if you dial it back to sane speeds (4.2-4.6Ghz), but once you go beyond that point. It starts to lose out. The 14nm process was never designed to go beyond 4.5Ghz. It just eats power like candy which why any of the 14nm Intel SKUs rated at 4.5Ghz and beyond are power hogs at maximum load. There's a reason why Xeon SKUs never exceed 4.4Ghz Turbo and base clock is at ~3.8-4.0Ghz)

>> No.70442834

>>70442762
Why don't laptop users care about the environmental impact lithion ion batteries have?

>> No.70442841

>>70433968
...have you heard of ssh

>> No.70442842

>>70442762

It is entirely because of thermal management and noise levels.

Hot-ass chips require massive cooling solutions that are noisy as fuck (Water pump or high-RPM fans) to keep the chip from throttling.

>> No.70443323

>>70442135
There's a 5nm gap between zen1 and zen2. It won't be much of a housefire in my opinion or at least I hope so.

>> No.70443423

>AMDrones actually believe Zen2 will be more than 40% faster than Zen+
>b-but muh CB score
Absolutely shameful that even with process node advantage, it was only able to match only a stock 9900k.

>> No.70443602
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70443602

>>70442799
as do i, but im in a first world country and employed so i barely notice it

>> No.70443648

>>70442841
>not in any easy way

yeah please tell me why should i fucking use another machine just to TAKE A FUCKING SCREENSHOT

>> No.70444109

>>70443423
AMD alreadly said it would be >25% faster

>> No.70444582

>>70432501
facist

>> No.70444632

>>70430959
>Isn't Zen 3 going to be near this performance wise?
It'll be quite a bit more powerful regardless of what it's clocked at. The drop from 14nm to 7nm provides a 40% IPC boost.

>> No.70444818

>>70441691
Aorus X470 boards suck dick, especially the Ultra Gaming and Gaming 7. My 2700X would only get 4.1GHz all cores without the VRM setting itself on fire. Using an ASUS board now with 4.25GHz all cores, 1.38V. My single 120mm AIO keeps it at 82C. Can do 4.3GHz at 1.4V but the heat gets a bit too much for my AIO.

inb4 bullshit, my AIO is push/pull 120mm fans, 49mm thick radiator. Arctic Liquid Freezer 120 with their fastest fans(not the ones included in the kit.)

>> No.70444853

>>70444632
FYI... the actual physical size of the features on new Intel and AMD chips are the same... it's all marketing

>> No.70444858

>>70430959
I work where we're using a lot of 9900K chips. My 7700K almost beats it in single core performance.

>> No.70444891

why don't intel just buy license to ibm 7nm?

>> No.70445656

>>70444853
AMD's 7nm is roughly equivalent to Intel's 10nm. The 9900K is 14nm.

>> No.70445665

>>70445656
>AMD's 7nm is roughly equivalent to Intel's 10nm.
So... nonexistent?

>> No.70445685

>>70445665
For Intel

>> No.70445805

>>70443423
if a HPP process isnt at least 20% faster than a LPP then nobody would have done HPP in the first place

>> No.70445833

>>70430959
I upgraded to the i9-9980XE from my Xeon E5-2679v4, and man it's bitchin' fast. Running it at a mild OC (2c turbo 5GHz, 4c turbo 4.7GHz, 10c turbo 4.4GHz and all core turbo 4.1GHz), and it feels so much snappier than my previous Xeon, which was no slouch at all.

>> No.70446123

>>70435504
>I just want the best shit there is right when I need it.
>using a 2600k in 2018
u r nigar. poo,

>> No.70446126

>>70430959
just wait™

>> No.70446128

>>70430959
It's spring. No need for a heater.

>> No.70446130

>>70431101

Power efficiency is the most important aspect dude. The cooler it is the higher it clocks.

9900k is just an abysmal value.l and a mid range zen2 will beat it in performance, value and efficiency

>> No.70446233

>>70431099
I guess if you heater goes out in the winter you can use this as a space heater

>> No.70446268

>>70431099
delid dis

>> No.70446272

>>70431111
delid dis x2

>> No.70446277

>>70433038
delid dis x3

>> No.70446792

>>70445833
>i9-9980XE

It is because the Broadwell-EP suffers significant cache and bandwidth issues at higher clockspeed and all cores being active due to its ring-bus topology. That's the primary reason why Intel went with meshed-topology with Skylake-X (namely for the sake of the HCC/XCC flavors).

Ironically, at single-threaded and dual-threaded shit the Broadwell-EP is faster than Skylake-X HCC unit (assuming clockspeeds are equal) due to having a more cache pool for one/two active cores.

>> No.70446994

>>70446792
My Xeon topped out at 3.2GHz on all cores, so this was a huge jump in clockspeeds as well. Just waiting for my 8x16GB 3466MHz RAM to arrive, currently running with only 2400Mhz that I had for the Xeon.

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