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It's over for nvidia and intel.
http://www.redgamingtech.com/exclusive-ryzen-3000-navi-release-date-specs-intel-comet-lake/

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>>69813717
>Ryzen 3000

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Im tired of waiting bros

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w-wait for 10nm intelbros............we will btfo anti-semitic amd fanboys for sure

>> No.69813941

>>69813931
2030

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>>69813717
>is this what your species call technology?

>> No.69813971

>>69813941
Then 10nm+++++++++ until 2050

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>>69813955
What are you laughing at? Thats plenty enough to fly a starship. I'd be making fun of the fact they're still using steam turbines to generate power.

>> No.69814051

>"""leaks""" say it's delayed to october
>"""leaks""" say it's in july

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>>69814051
Knowing AMD it will launch in 2020

>> No.69814081

>>69813717
>AMD just launched a $700 GPU that is relatively equal to the 2080
>they're going to undercut themselves by that much

If the 3080 exceeds the performance of the Vega64, it'll be $400+. You'd have to be a fucking moron to think they'd sell it for less.

>> No.69814089

$250 for their flagship card? In your fucking dreams.

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>>69814031
i think they are adorable.
they still believe, that they can leave the dome.

>> No.69814168

>>69814089
there's no "flagship" you nerd first navi release is midrange it will replace the polaris lineup

high end navi will be next year

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>> No.69814198

>>69814188
Raja a shit. Go back to making your shit bollywood movies.

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Didn't Ryzen 3000 and Navi launch at CES? Why are they launching them again?

>> No.69814250

Just you wait, for NAVI.
This time for sure.

>> No.69814280

>>69813717
Whoa, can't wait to open even more /g/ tabs in Icecat. I'm going to be so productive.

>> No.69814305

I thought Ryzen 3000 was going to be launched in June at Computex? Delayed again?

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>>69814280
Thats limited by RAM not by CPU

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INTEL IFFY UH
MOMMY GOT THE RYZEN UH

>> No.69814347

>>69814250
what will come first?
- year of the linux desktop
- a competitive AMD product

>> No.69814352

>>69814315
Makes you wonder why /g/ would shill AMD products and talk about """Productivity""", doesn't it?

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>>69814347
STFU

>> No.69814364

>>69814347
Neither tbqh

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>>69814347
The latter.
The former will never come. RIP Linux. There's hope in better designs (3rd gen microkernel and multiserver, like genode with seL4).

>> No.69814659

>>69813717
What an aggressive naming scheme. I hope they don't do that.

>> No.69814737

>>69814659
>7xx
>9xx
>10xx
>20xx
>16xx
Nvidia deserver it for their own inconsistent naming.

>> No.69814768

>>69813717
>~1080
*sigh* Wow, Glad they've caught up with early 2017 for a mainline card. -_-'

>> No.69814773

>>69814347
>- a competitive AMD product
I just upgraded to 2700X

>> No.69814774

>>69814737
7xx to 9xx just means it's two generations worth of increased performances
10xx to 20xx is probably because this is not supposed to be GTX anymore
Not what I'd call too consistent, but Radeon names have been all over the place since the acquisition of ATI.

>> No.69814788

>>69814768
*2016

>> No.69814839

>>69814774
>but Radeon names have been all over the place

>Zen+ is gen 2
>Zen 2 is gen 3
>Box says Ryzen 7

>> No.69814856 [DELETED] 

>>69814330
DELID

>> No.69814863

>>69814774
>10xx to 20xx is probably because this is not supposed to be GTX anymore
I think it's probably because they want the first digit in the model number to denote the generation, though if they actually go with a 1660 or some shit that will be a real head-scratcher.

>> No.69814871

>>69814768
Vega 64 was already 1080 territory. If the leaks are true, it could be a lot better when inhibitors such as TDP target are removed.
Yes, I'm doing typical AMDrone hopeposting.
>>69814839
Those are just internal names. 1800 to 2800 to 3800 are the actual names.

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I'm gonna buy a navi, because it's called navi. Hopefully the linux support doesn't completely suck.

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SHILL HARDER INTELBROS WE CAN'T LET ANTI-SEMITIC AMD NAZIS WIN

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Computer-CPU-Processors/zgbs/electronics/229189

https://www.amazon.ca/Best-Sellers-Electronics-CPU-Processors/zgbs/electronics/1233052011

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Processors/zgbs/computers/430515031

https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/bestsellers/computers/4913338051

https://www.amazon.fr/gp/bestsellers/computers/430352031

https://www.amazon.de/gp/bestsellers/computers/430177031

https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/bestsellers/electronics/12005796011

https://www.amazon.it/gp/bestsellers/electronics/460126031

INDIA IS OUR GREATEST ALLY
https://www.amazon.in/Processors/b?ie=UTF8&node=1375391031

>> No.69814925

>>69814891
Linux support will probably be fine but as with new cards in general I would expect you'd have to wait a while if you want a 'just werks' experience with common, popular distros.

>> No.69814929

>>69814891
I just remembered Lain also had hardware called Navi. Surprised I can even remember anything, having watched it forever ago.

>> No.69814942

>>69814871
>Yes, I'm doing typical AMDrone hopeposting.
All good. I'm an unabashed AMD fan, but man have their graphics card releases made me sad lately.

>> No.69814957

>>69814891
AMD GPUs are bundled with IBM POWER9 pcs that don't support x86. While probably not perfect, they're the best you can get when it comes to Linux support.

>> No.69814962

>>69813717
Look another rebrandeon

>> No.69814974

>>69814962
New GPUs are just rebrands of the previous generation because they're still GPUs with a GPU purpose: the post.

>> No.69814976

>>69814774
They skipped 8 because they had used it for some mobile chips, which is a bullshit excuse.

>> No.69814977
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Reminder no matter how bad Zen2 will perform it'll still outsell Intel.

>> No.69815018

>>69814768
And yet Radeon 7 competes with 2080, niggervidiot

>> No.69815084

>>69815018
This is true, that gave me hope. I'd like to see some of their AIBs make a better cooler for it. If anything Navi falling backwards in performance is a worrying development though.

>> No.69815110

>it's another "add 2 more cores to Skylake and burn down the house" episode

>> No.69815115

>>69814977
Not on server market

>> No.69815118

>>69814081
two things

7nm
and
gddr6

>> No.69815200

>>69815115
And then you woke up

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>>69815110
Intel 10 cores comet lake soon AAHAHAAHHHHHHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH

>> No.69815284

>>69815115
>I don't know how much AMD is killing it in the datacenter space.
It's a slower adoption speed, but in virtualization $/core counts for a lot. Guess what Epyc has in spades?
Even Cisco, who were pretty staunchly Intel fans have quietly put up an Epyc line of servers.

>> No.69815310

ANNOUNCE STUFF ALREADY, I NEED TO SCHEDULE AND PLAN MY NEXT UPGRADE

>> No.69815328

>>69813717
Huh, both the CPUs and GPUs at the same time? I thought Navi was coming a lot later, and I thought Ryzen 3 was coming a lot earlier. I was planning to upgrade in April, so this will screw with my plans if true.

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> amd products

>> No.69815343

>>69813717
306 and 307 sound fucking amazing.

>> No.69815349

>>69813717

How the fuck can anyone think these numbers are real? AMD just released a Vega 64 + 25% for $700.

They're not going to release a Vega 64 + 15% for 1/3 the price.

>> No.69815354

>>69815341
they're perfectly fine products
don't be like that, anon

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w-wait for 10nm intelbros............we will btfo anti-semitic amd fanboys for sure

>> No.69815376

>>69815216
>Buy comet lake
>house burns down
>insurance clerk weasels out, only covers asteroids
>tfw

>> No.69815400

>>69815376
JUST delid and delap it bro lmoa

>> No.69815466

Intel probably has an amazing product that isn't Core™ in the works. I can't fathom them not doing anything given how huge the company is.

>> No.69815488

>>69815466
lol

>> No.69815504

>>69815488
lol? lol then.

>> No.69815545

>>69815216
Molten Silicon Lake when?

>> No.69815559

>>69814168
>high end navi will be next year
by which point nvidia will be on their turing shrink/refresh, and amd will have manufactured their 50th navi chip

>> No.69815643

>>69814081
They don't have any stock to undercut

>> No.69815649

>>69815559
You missed that AMD's top end Navi competes with 2070/1080, never mind 2080/1080ti or 2080ti.

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>>69815545
>Molten Silicon Lake
More like Rapidly Expanding Gaseous Plasma- Vapour Lake

>> No.69815783

>>69815488
That's what AMDtards said after Netburst too, and then AMD got curbstomped by Core. Everyone was convinced Netburst was going to be the fire that killed Intel. Well guess what, CPU represents like 10% of their R&D efforts. They could at any moment decide to stop fucking around and pay big bucks to poach whoever they want and only Apple would be able to fight it

>> No.69815792

>>69815349
I'd believe it if only because radeon 7 is just a cut down bottom shelf mi60, with only 5k in existence currently. If navi is actually a competitive architecture without the HBM meme it could absolutely be affordable.

>> No.69815804

>>69814081
Why do you think there are no stocks?

>> No.69815854

HURRY UP

I WANT NEW GEN CONSOLES NOW

>> No.69815866

>>69813717
>Intel and AMD are currently in a core count stalemate thanks to the launch of Intel’s Coffee Lake refresh and the I9-9900K. While it is considerably more expensive than that of the AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, it also performs better (particularly when single thread performance is concerned) – but times are changing.
Imagine how much he got paid for this damage control

>> No.69815871

>>69815854
>next gen console
>still locked to 720p30fps

>> No.69815915

>>69814347
AMD had quite a few.

>> No.69815930

>>69815854
So you want the exact same graphics but at locked 4k?

The graphics race is fucking dead.

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>100+ days away
you fucking shitting me?

>> No.69816355

>>69816069
>just wait
>just wait
>just wait
im sick of waiting

>> No.69816438

Zen 2 should be dope but I have no confidence in AMD not releasing yet another housefire turd GPU.

>> No.69816475

>>69815792

Sure it'll be a lot better perf/price than Radeon VII but they're not going to completely kneecap their existing product lineup in a few months when they still have old cards to sell.

I'd say if you moved the price and TDP down a tier for each and eliminated the 3080 entirely there's your Navi lineup

>> No.69816624

>>69813717
Navi will come out, but the prices, performance and names will be all wrong.

>> No.69816763

>>69814081
It won't be 400+ but it will be nearer 1070ti/2060 perf with stronger performance in newer games and the perfect 1440p card

>> No.69816794 [DELETED] 

>banned from all boards for shitting on intcel
*ahem*
FUCK JANITORS

>> No.69816871

>>69816069
>>69816355
>j-just wait longer
I am also tired of fucking waiting. might just go with a 9700k, I can't bear this shitty CPU for another 5 months.

>> No.69816896

The best Navi is going to be 1070-1070ti performance for $250. So it would compete more with the new 1660 for a similar price.

>> No.69816997

>>69814081
Vega VII is nothing but a stopgap. They barely have stock and I don't even think they're making any profit off it.

>> No.69817005

>launch on a sunday
Doubt

>> No.69817723

Any news on SR-IOV for Radeon VII yet?

>> No.69818339

>>69816871
>I'm a stupid impatient child
ftfy

>> No.69819018

When will this stupid 'just wait' meme die? If you need a new PC but you want Zen 2, you can buy a nice mobo now and drop a cheap 1000-series chip in it. Easy 1:1 replacement when the new CPUs come.

>> No.69820106

>>69816475
literally only 5k cards if they have any stock at all right now I would be amazed. VII is an even bigger meme launch than the 590

>> No.69820117

>>69819018
90% of waitfags are using 1060s and 60Hz monitors so it's even more fucking retarded

>> No.69820130

>>69814051
The actual Navi launch window was always July-August, ever since N7 lagged by 2Q in 2017.

>> No.69820131

Maybe I'll finally upgrade from GTX 1070 then.

>> No.69820143

>>69814081
<200mm^2 die will sell for cheap no matter how you'd twist it.
That's even disregarding AMD's overall push of mss over margins.

>> No.69820173

>>69815084
Die sizes, moron.

>> No.69820212

>>69815349
They will just retire Radeon 7.
~half a year product lifetime for a cutdown HPC die is okay.

>> No.69820253

>>69816896
Higher and for the same price.

>> No.69821154

>>69815854
don't get your hopes up too much. It will have a laptop APU just like this gen.

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Reminder no matter how bad Zen2 will perform it'll still outsell Intel.

>> No.69822162

>>69815783
Intel simply rolled back to P6 uarch retarded intel shitter, they can't do that anymore because they don't have any uarch to roll back to now. Intel will stay crushed and under AMD's boot (especially in servers) forever.

>> No.69822199

I'm fucking tired of waiting Zen2 now. I thought they would relëase them on CES.

>> No.69822288

>>69816355
dude i've been here since 1st gen ryzen and i'm still waiting

>> No.69822321

>>69822288
retard

>> No.69822350

>>69814347
>only high end matters
You realize only a fraction of a percent buy GPUs above $350 right?

Also if this is what Navi is, how fucking powerful is the Q1 2020 Navi high end chip going to be? Jesus Christ.

>> No.69822373

>>69816871
Muh single core performance
Go back to /v/eddit fag

>> No.69822494

>>69822373
cope

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>>69814081
>If the 3080 exceeds the performance of the Vega64, it'll be $400+. You'd have to be a fucking moron to think they'd sell it for less.

Vega 64 and Radeon VII are HPC cards masquerading as high end gaming cards despite being horribly bottlenecked for gaming. The simple act of jettisoning the interposer and HBM stacks will allow them to cut costs dramatically.

The remaining question is if/how the continuing GCN fixed-function bottlenecks will be addressed, or else we're just looking at 14nm->7nm shrinks of the Polaris 10/11 with 4, 4x4px triangle fragments through the rasterizer front-end, and 32 ROPs on the back-end again. AMD absolutely has to accomplish at least one of the following to make Navi stand a chance:
- support 6+ Shader Engines vs. old limit of 4
- support 2+ Geometry Processors/Rasterizers per Shader Engine and add more ROPs/RBEs
- get Vega's Primitive Shader/Discard Engine to work with legacy APIs and games

Console Navi for PS5/XBtwo will rely heavily on primitive filtering, which is basically baking into hardware what the Frostbyte engine dev Graham Wihlidal invented as a pre-rasterization compute shader to get around 2 fragments/clock geometry/raster-front-end limits on PS4/xbone GCN. The difference is that console manufacturers can make those GPU pipeline units explicitly visible and controlled in their special snowflake APIs, whereas AMD doesn't have enough PC market share to force a change in the DX11/DX12 rendering models, and they apparently couldn't transparently insert the discard functionality on Vega via driver magic in a way that didn't break things and actually increased performance.

>> No.69822529

>>69822494
Why would I cope even if I were a gaymer? I sure as shit am not spending $300 on a CPU to run it at 1080p and the performance overhead pretty much disappears at anything over 1080p

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>>69822505
>all that tech jargon
brainlet here
how do you even begin to know all this stuff, do you study it or just casually absorb tech info throughout the years

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>>69822550

>> No.69822618

>>69822550
It's really not that complicated, the main problem is that GCN is very outdated and needs a drastic redesign.

>> No.69822677

>>69822618
That's an incorrect interpretation IMO.
The core Compute Units in GCN were well enough designed that they are still solid today, and Nvidia's Volta/Turing processing blocks have actually moved closer to GCN in terms of resource ratios (primarily registers per ALU lane).

I think the better argument is that GCN needs some high-level rework at the Graphics Command Processor and/or central memory crossbar to allow more GP/CU/ROP-containing SEs, which is substantially more limited in scope. The primitive discard stuff they clearly already have working in hardware, as shown with the insane geometry throughput of the pro rendering applications using proprietary APIs on the Vega Pro series.

>> No.69822786

>>69822677
GCN is crap and busted for gaymers. Don't try to sugarcoat it.

>> No.69822900

>>69822786
You seem unable to distinguish core architectures from their product incarnations.
Please give us an example of a "busted" GCN gaming card more powerful than an RX 480 respin that is not trying to moonlight as an HPC accelerator. The only thing we have evidence for is that AMD seems either unwilling or unable to field multiple industry segment targeting product lines per generation.

>> No.69822934

>>69813717
I just bought a ryzen 2700x. Did I fuck up?

>> No.69822950

>>69822934
kind of since its just 5 months until zen 2

>> No.69823007

>>69822934
>>69822950
Not entirely, since you can sell it used and upgrade to a 3000 series chip with a mobo BIOS upgrade (no "a socket a year, ..." issue).

>> No.69823019

>>69814081
all that R7 is, is Instinct MI60 failed silicone, of course they want to sell that shit, problem is it's not high production GPU so there isn't that much units to sell. Navi should be their first high end mass production GPU in some time now.

>> No.69823040

>>69822505
>support 6+ Shader Engines vs. old limit of 4
>support 2+ Geometry Processors/Rasterizers per Shader Engine and add more ROPs/RBEs
Or ditch both and do nV-style geometry setup.

>> No.69823045

>>69816997
This is true - it's just a product to have something on the shelves while they wait to release their next series.

Hey we have 7nm and high VRAM HBM! You might also like our pro features and FP64 performance that destroys everything near the price class!

>> No.69823063

>>69823040
How do nv do it? I can hardly imagine setup different to this.

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>>69823019
>silicone

>> No.69823078

>>69823019
It's actually a rebaged Mi50.
Mi60 uses 8-Hi stacks.
>>69823063
The actual Raster Engine only ever registers/culls tris, all the heavy duty geometry processing including tessellation is done in Polymorph Engine attached to each SM.
That setup was grossly overkill for Fermi, Kepler and even Maxwell, but when the ALU counts started creeping in, the results showed.

>> No.69823118

They also should, and probably will go with varied SIMD width for Navi or whatever is after that.
A scheduling nightmare, but a fun one at that.

>> No.69823126

>>69823040
What are you trying to say that Nvidia-style Raster Engines do fundamentally differently?

>> No.69823134

>>69823126
Raster Engines are not alone, that's the point.

>> No.69823142

>>69822900
AMD seems to be taking a conservative approach and allowing their market share to recover at a healthy speed instead of making big bets with a high chance of not coming to fruition.
They're protecting their investors with solid long term plans, and not dumping this new revenue willy nilly. They're focusing on the larger market expansion of CPU superiority before fixing their underfunded GPU division, which itself can stay afloat (though not profitable or competitive) with console contracts.

A totally revised back-end, hardware scheduler, and/or memory interface is a huge endeavor. Nvidia themselves have been using basically the same design strategy since at least Tesla - which is why we see the 970 had been cut-down the same way as the 5GB variant 1060s, the same way as some 2xx cards, I'm talking of course about the split memory pool with god awful latency and bandwidth fragmentation.

>> No.69823148

>>69814347
>having the best value for your money, in some cases to a ridiculous degree, is not competitive
This is one of the reasons why sane people hate PC hardware autists so much.

>> No.69823154

>>69823142
>AMD seems to be taking a conservative approach and allowing their market share to recover at a healthy speed instead of making big bets with a high chance of not coming to fruition.
The opposite, they're making silly agressive bets and executing on them.
Their entire 7nm product lineup is almost balls to the wall insane amount of key bets shoved here and there.

>> No.69823174

>>69823154
I was one of the people loudly decrying the Ryzen3 leaks based on price and ate that crow very hard. Yes, they can sell 16 5Ghz cores for $400 with their 14nm IO, 7nm core model.

>> No.69823187

>>69823174
They will sell it for $500-550 because no competition and Intel raised the ASPs with no alternatives down the stack in 9900k anyway.

>> No.69823196

>>69823078
>Mi60 uses 8-Hi stacks.
>big V-2 with 32GB HBMeme2 on the horizon
1,299$ with some pro features coming, lads!

>> No.69823209

>>69823196
Vega20 is of very limited volume so no.

>> No.69823217

>>69823134
The earlier argument here:
>>69822505
> support 2+ Geometry Processors/Rasterizers per Shader Engine
is a superset of design options encompassing the equivalent of having multi Polymorph Engines per Raster Engine-containing GPC.

Putting multiple front-end geometry/rasterization units in high-level GPC/SE blocks does not require putting one in each low-level SMs/CUs one, but it does allow for that option.

>> No.69823250

>>69823217
>is a superset of design options encompassing the equivalent of having multi Polymorph Engines per Raster Engine-containing GPC.
Not a very cute one, geometry processing is a very broad term that describes fuckton of tasks.
>Putting multiple front-end geometry/rasterization units in high-level GPC/SE blocks does not require putting one in each low-level SMs/CUs one, but it does allow for that option.
Contention issue land.

>> No.69823288

>>69823187
no competition is not a valid excuse, AMD CPUs are still huge minority. I saw numbers around 15%. If they are true and I suspect they are no higher than 25% it means that pricing their CPUs too high would make current Intel users still choose Intel.

>> No.69823300

>>69823288
They won't choose Intel because Intel is uncompetetive.
Just some higher ASPs on really halo parts, 1800X was already a thing anyway.

>> No.69823323

>>69823250
not saying that hull/tessellator/domain/geometry/whatever shading piece isn't a lot of work, but what is it that you contention that putting the those pieces inside SMs (under whatever name) buys?

Unless every processed triangle needs roughly equivalent pixel shading work done on it downstream, the results from the geometry pipe still need to go back to some centralized work scheduling/load balancing system to dole out raster front end tasks.

>> No.69823327

>>69823300
That is not basis for choosing a product people go for.
Audi fan will get Audi until Audi fucks up enormously. While many would say that Intel did it, it wasn't huge news out side of internet.
Image perception is HUGE reason why people choose a brand and only way to defeat this is by undercutting and providing same or better product.

>> No.69823336

>>69814168
that's not how yelds or binning work you retard.

you cant choose to make low end dies you fucking idiot.

>> No.69823339

>>69823323
>that you contend
fuck

>> No.69823385

>>69823336
not him, but that's literally what AMD has been doing for 5+ years.

> RX 200 series (and RX 300 rebrands) followed by Fiji/Fury later
> RX 400 series (and RX 500 rebrands) followed by Vega later
> Navi low-mid end followed by HPC monster later?

>> No.69823420

>>69823323
>not saying that hull/tessellator/domain/geometry/whatever shading piece isn't a lot of work, but what is it that you contention that putting the those pieces inside SMs (under whatever name) buys?
n identical geometry processors per each SE is a load balancing nightmare given the CU count in each and multiple SE count per GPU.
Might as well do away with the whole SE concept and do it like mobile guys but that's painfully suboptimal given the dGPU ranges.
nV setup allows to keep the FF resource count balanced going from top to bottom.

>> No.69824783

>>69823066
uma delid cia

>> No.69825232

>>69823420
> N identical GPs per each SE is a load balancing nightmare
I'm not trying to argue that N identical self-standing GPs is the way to go and agree that hierarchical breakdown/scalability of Front End Fixed-Function units is advantageous.

> given the CU count in each, and multiple SE count per GPU.
How does multi (varying?) SE count hurt balancing, since that each platform already has one RE/GP per GPC/SE?

> nV keeps FF resource balance top to bottom.
Even if you want geometry:ALU balance constant across all product lines, putting RE-balanced PMEs at 1:1 inside TPCs does not simplify contention or scheduling concerns as far as I can see, unless PolyMorph output really can go directly to attached SMs w/o further intermediate RE load rebalancing. Also, while Nvidia had 5 TPCs/GPC across Pascal, Turing has 4 to 6, meaning they were willing to engineer REs of differing complexities or to just waste capacity on some models.

Given this, while AMD could bundle GPs (minus the whole-SE scheduling) with 2-4 CUs and call them Super-CUs instead of TPCs, I don't think it's the only option they have. Scaling geometry processing in SEs independently of shaders across segments (like BE ROPs can be) would probably be most desirable for AMD due to consoles, where their monopoly allows them/MS/Sony to push things like parallax occlusion mapping over the brute force tessellation that Nvidia prefers.

I'm more inclined to believe that Nvidia keeps FE logic in TPCs/PMEs not for natural RE/PME dataflow or scheduler optimization requirements, but for block reuse and floorplanning, if there actually even is any physical integration at all. TPCs don't seem to be anything besides an arbitrary units of 1 PME + 2 SMs. If you could explain the design advantages of linking FE execution logic more tightly to SMs/CUs than to GPC/SE-level schedulers though, I would appreciate understanding it.

>> No.69825871

>>69823385
There's no HPC Navi die.
>>69825232
>How does multi (varying?) SE count hurt balancing, since that each platform already has one RE/GP per GPC/SE?
As in multiple SEs with multiple GEs each.
>Also, while Nvidia had 5 TPCs/GPC across Pascal, Turing has 4 to 6, meaning they were willing to engineer REs of differing complexities or to just waste capacity on some models.
Lower-end Pascal also had less SMs per each GPCs iirc.
That's somewhat unrelated anyway; geometry performance scaling up mostly with SM count is almost a holy grail in designing something that flexibly goes from top to bottom.
>Given this, while AMD could bundle GPs (minus the whole-SE scheduling) with 2-4 CUs and call them Super-CUs instead of TPCs, I don't think it's the only option they have
It's very elegant, and it works.
>where their monopoly allows them/MS/Sony to push things like parallax occlusion mapping over the brute force tessellation that Nvidia prefers.
Each PME tesselerator aren't an areaburnee given the modern xtor counts.
Giving more options is always good enough.
>I'm more inclined to believe that Nvidia keeps FE logic in TPCs/PMEs not for natural RE/PME dataflow or scheduler optimization requirements, but for block reuse and floorplanning, if there actually even is any physical integration at all.
Both.
>TPCs don't seem to be anything besides an arbitrary units of 1 PME + 2 SMs.
It's more of an arbitrary requirement given Volta (and P100, but who cares) and onwards SM size: that one is 64SPs just like GCN so PME per each would be grossly overkill.
>If you could explain the design advantages of linking FE execution logic more tightly to SMs/CUs than to GPC/SE-level schedulers though, I would appreciate understanding it.
That would be very boring and anal and not suited for /g/ discussion about power/area tradeoffs so I'd pass.

>> No.69826032

>>69825871
My only real question is about processing flow from geometry to ALUs without buffering and load balancing by a SE/GPC scheduler, and you only hint that you know the answer but won't give it?

>> No.69826073

>>69826032
>My only real question is about processing flow from geometry to ALUs without buffering and load balancing by a SE/GPC scheduler, and you only hint that you know the answer but won't give it?
I don't even remember the exact papers, sorry.

>> No.69826260

>>69826073
Well thanks for saying as much, but you really oughtn't've claimed more than you could show, since anybody who chooses to trust without proof what they read here is an idiot.

Could you at least try to convey the gist of what you recall reading to the extent that I might conceivably find it if I tried?

>> No.69827548

>>69825871
>> push things like parallax occlusion mapping over the brute force tessellation that Nvidia prefers.
> Each PME tesselerator aren't an areaburnee given the modern xtor counts.

The complaint against stupid overtessellation isn't about tessellator throughput or die areas, it's that it does virtually nothing but chew up geometry and rasterizer throughput for gains that are all but completely diminished after only tiny initial amplification. The more shit-flinging angle to this was the fact that early GameWorks titles burned hundreds of thousands of scene triangles on largely flat and often not even visible surfaces.

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>>69813717
>AMD with 7nm and 16GB HBM2 can't compete with a 2080 for the same price
>AMD is going to release a 2070 competitor for $250
How delusional are AMDrones? Holy shit you must be absolutely deranged to think any of this is plausible.

>> No.69828771

>July

Way too long ffs why cant they launch this in spring like usual.

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>> No.69828781

>>69822505
>implying anyone is going to read all that shit
Anyone who has been around a few years knows that AMDrones dump novels worth of useless theories every time AMD disappoints and they have to start hyping up the next AMD product. It has literally never been correct and won't be this time either.

>> No.69828811

>>69828729
>Navi is a new architecture
>Turing is wasting a huge chunk of its die on useless dead features

It is VERY plausible, 2070 performance isnt that good.

>> No.69828837

>>69828811
>2070 performance
Sure.
>at $250
Not in a million years.

>> No.69828913

>>69828837
Turing's price has a lot to do with RTX features.

Yeah $250 may be a little low but I wouldnt be surprised to see this at $300 or $350.

>> No.69828921

>>69814063
And it'll still be shit

>> No.69828948

>>69828781
the post you're (you)-ing is actually mostly a criticism of AMD talking about what it would actually need to do to un-fuck RTG.

>>69828811
>>69828837
>>69828729
you should check out Nvidia's guidance from last week:
> https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/02/16/nvidia-earnings-a-train-wreck-but-the-market-was-r.aspx
> gaming sales down 45% YOY
Their gambit to elevate ASPs hasn't exactly panned out
AMD catering to <$300 market is more of a guaranteed thing than any sort of exact performance target. The other thing worth mentioning is that the 2070 is a ~450 mm^2 with 8 GB on a 256b bus, being sold for >$500. That price would not be remotely sustainable if AMD had a competing part (still no guarantees from Navi), and slow sales are proving that it's not even workable in a quasi-monopoly market.

>> No.69828955

>>69828921
And that's a good thing!

>> No.69828977

>>69828781
that post is an infographic of AMD getting its ass kicked in geometry throughput since Fury X you retard.

>> No.69829116

>>69814347
AMD already had competitive products
In the other hand, I, as a normalfag know exactly 0 (ZERO) people that use linux.

>> No.69829158

>>69814891
I absolutely adore the Vega naming, having a your GPU named after a star is cool.

>> No.69829199

>>69815871
Just wait and see how they make horribly checkerboarded 4k the standard while the framerate zigzags from 30 to 20 FPS

>> No.69829308

>>69829158
people should name a star 'GTX 480' tbqh

>> No.69829443

>>69828729
New uArch.

>> No.69830281

Reminder no matter how bad Zen2 will perform it'll still outsell Intel.

>> No.69830346

Why does AMD get shilled so hard on /g/ when its the official GPU of reddit? Usually that puts people off here.

>> No.69830396

>>69830346
How the fuck is Reddit related to Nvidia fucking the market with $1200 GPUs?
And being shitty practices: the company in general?

>> No.69830573

>>69830346
Niggervidia is the normalfag's choice.

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>>69830573

I don't know about that.

>Check out r/Nvidia
>People talking about driver updates, and performance
>Topics about upcoming games and the pros and cons of raytracing/DLSS
>Advice on which card to buy

>Look at r/amd
>Hey guys check out my super riced out case showcasing my RX570!
>My girlfriend baked me a cake in the shape of a Radeon VII, plz upvote!
>Random AMD employee said something badmouthing Intel/Nvidia, so epic, must read!

>> No.69831237

>>69831152
Amd stock is the patrician amd subreddit

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>>69814137
I suggest you to not underestimate a bunch of monkeys.
One may come up with your downfall.
And if he don't, another one coming from the future somehow will finish the job.

>> No.69831404

>>69831152
>My girlfriend baked me a cake in the shape of a Radeon VII
Unironically based and redpilled, also cute

>> No.69831534

>>69814210
>confuses launch with announce

>> No.69831543

>>69815084
what it really needs is watercooling
its like the i9's, its so thermally dense that conventional air cooling barely keeps up

>> No.69832042

New AMD GPUs are nice, but what games are even interesting at all in 2019?

>> No.69832054

>>69814305
they should have went with a monolothic die. monkeys over at AMD

>> No.69832119

>>69813717
>Stay tuned for reviews of AMD's RX 3080 against Nvidia's new RTX 3060!

>> No.69832122

>>69832042
RDR2, spiderman, uhhh?

>> No.69832355

>>69832122
No offense anon, but that's not very engaging.

>> No.69832365

>>69831152
/g/ got taken over by reddit ages ago m8

>> No.69833682

>>69828955
Not really, no

>> No.69834584

>>69822505
Thanks Jim

>> No.69834618

>>69813717
No fuck off, give me a more powerful Radeon VII.
I bought a 1080 Ti two years ago and AMD still hasn't given me anything I could consider an upgrade.

>> No.69834636

>>69834618
>No fuck off, give me a more powerful Radeon VII.
Not any time soon.
>I bought a 1080 Ti two years ago and AMD still hasn't given me anything I could consider an upgrade.
And they have no reason to.

>> No.69834778

>>69813717
>people still posting this speculation piece image as any sort of useful or factual information

>> No.69834949

>>69834778
there are still people donating to this idiot. AMD should hate him. their marketing is so fucking retarded

>> No.69834985

>>69834949
there's nothing wrong with speculating

>> No.69835023

>>69834949
>free marketing is bad
And that's why you don't run these businesses.

>> No.69835025

>>69834949
I can't stand his voice. I've stopped bothering with his stuff long ago because it's stressful to concentrate on what he's trying to say.
I'm sorry if you're lurking here.

>> No.69835038

>>69834985
yes there is. people have their hopes and dreams dashed against the rocks and it breed contempt.

>> No.69835058

>>69835023
you're an autistic indian thats why you don't understand how to market and throw lisa su up onto stage with a leather jacket. what a fucking joke

>> No.69835112

>>69835038
sure if you're a brainlet

>> No.69835130

>>69835112
that's AMD's biggest market. smart city people buy Nvidia

>> No.69835139

>>69813717
I care about ryzen cpus and motherboards, not about gaming toys.

>> No.69835272

>>69835139
What do you use your CPU for?

>> No.69835278

>>69813717
I hope AMD will finally deliver.

>> No.69835292

>>69835278
do the needful and wait sir

>> No.69835303

>>69835130
>buying video cards in today's market

>> No.69835370

>>69813717
why are they pumping them out so fast? do they manage to sell any even? they can't keep doing this forever, what will they do next?

>> No.69835393

>>69835370
i mean laptops are stil pumped out with incel instead of rrt

>> No.69835437
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and then there's this shit

>> No.69836390

>>69835058
ESL niggers like you have no place calling anyone pajeets.

>> No.69836733

>>69832042
MGQ Paradox part 3, soon.

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INTODDLERS BTFO

>> No.69838730

>>69836733
I actually am waiting for that. 4chan sure is a small place.

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>>69836843
She did it again!

>> No.69838818

>>69836843
>>69838757
based

>> No.69838842

>waited so long for Navi I couldn't wait and bought an rx 56 vega

Honestly don't give a fuck anymore. I upgraded from a 480.

>> No.69838868

>>69838842
56 is unironically a good choice, enjoy fine wine

>> No.69838982

>>69838842
Based. It will also keep you warm during this harsh winter.

>> No.69839026

>>69823288
Most of those are laptops

>> No.69839035

I don't understand the retarded rx 56 Vega memes. You don't even need a 750 power supply. Everyone and their mother underclocks it.

>> No.69839102

>>69813717
Auntie Lisa does it again :')

>> No.69840325

Sunny COPE
COPE Lake

>> No.69840338

>>69835437
Is this bait? Those laptops aren't even in the same price range

>> No.69840549

>AMD hypes new releases
>everyone gets excited and wants to buy an AMD card again for the first time
>it comes out
>NVIDIA drops prices to compete
>buy nvidia
every single time for GPUs without questions.
i bought a AMD thunderbird before though that one single time.

>> No.69840601

>>69829116
>normalfag
Go back

>> No.69840615

>>69814891
Will likely have day 1 support like Radeon VII

>> No.69840641

>>69815783
Israel can't save them anymore, keep coping shill

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HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

>> No.69840764

>>69822505
>Vega 64 and Radeon VII are HPC

No, they're prototype next-gen console GPUs masquerading as PC products. RTG is a slave to semi-custom

Facts
>games are moving towards a deferred render or partially deferred shading workflow
>TBR benefits this the most, almost 0 effect on forward render
>pro visualization viewport renderers also use these but that's a nice coincidence

>the entire NGG programmable front end isn't exposed to anyone on PC where drivers and APIs are still relatively high level
>it would be accessible to console devs whose drivers and APIs are coauthored by the clients (Sony, MS) and not just AMD
>it may even be possible it was designed at the request of console devs, similar to the expanded ACE array found in GCN gen 2

>semi-custom has been funding the graphics division even before Raja was hired and Lisa was hired by Rory to captain AMD's semi-custom business
>she clearly regards semi-custom as the foundation of AMD's business and continues to give them priority with reports that MS and Sony are getting samples of Navi and Zen 2 even before some big data and datacenter/server OEMs

GCN isn't even suited for compute at all and Vega doesn't do anything to really fix it. It still relies heavily on hardware scheduling for instruction level scheduling, unlike Nvidia which optimizes instruction level execution (per warp) driver/compiler side which is why Vega even struggles in openCL benches against similarly sized (by die size not price) Nvidia counterparts and only wins in certain workloads even when having superior throughput on paper. rOCM and shit like that are still half-baked and reek of Raja's personal baby rather than a real business model, and Vega being somewhat usable for compute is just a nice experiment since it's a lost generation that has no true purpose, while the majority of the team work on Navi using semi-custom dollars that were paid in advance.

>> No.69840843

>>69840764
what do we do, how do we save ourselves?

>> No.69840916

>>69840843
Realize that you're considered a secondary market by AMD and buy Nvidia instead or grow up and give up on PC gaming because it's a bad meme.

>> No.69840947

>>69840916
>Realize that you're considered a secondary market by AMD
Why should they care when people like you only want competition to buy NVIDIA cheaper?

>> No.69840979

>>69814168
I bet it's just another overclocked poolaris. Any benefits from the new node will be used to clock it to the max and it'll still consume hilarious amounts of power.

>> No.69841070

>>69840916
but I realized that long ago, back when they released ryzen, which is clearly designed for datacenters and servers but can kinda be used for gaming
and the fact that they keep rebranding shit that isn't meant for gaming like the radeon 7 and trying to sell off their trash

>> No.69841171

>>69840916
Nothing wrong with getting an HPC product and paying for a gaming one. The opposite would be a problem.

>> No.69841292

>>69840549
>>AMD hypes new releases
They didn't this time. It's mostly 12 year olds from the amd subreddit.

>> No.69841465

>>69813717
Faaaaaaaake, other sources confirmed that Navi is delayed until Q4 19/Q1 2020

>> No.69841855

>>69840648
seething

>> No.69842012

>>69840764
You think GCN CUs are bottlenecked by warp/wavefront schedulers? That sounds pretty retarded, but if it's true, I'm sure you can cite some technical analyses to back you up?

If you're just trying to pull some plausible sounding shit out of your ass, it would be more believable to claim something's busted with the memory datapath or with insufficient banking/porting in the register file or scratchpad space.

>> No.69842181

>>69829443
But it's not, it's about Navi which is still GCN arch.

When they ditch GCN in couple years who knows, but I'm still not too optimistic about what they can come up with.

>> No.69842216

>>69842181
Terascale 4

>> No.69842298

>>69842216
We don't know for sure and we don't know when. And we don't know if it'll be worth shit

>> No.69842344

>>69842298
There's literally a patent filing from AMD called "SuperSIMD" which is basically Terascale 4. Are you retarded?

>> No.69842400

>>69842344
>Are you retarded?
If that's your only basis to be so certain - are YOU?

>> No.69842591

>>69842181
They ditch gcn after navi according to their roadmaps

>> No.69842607

>>69813717
I hope they just call it 660, 670 and 680.

>> No.69842737

>>69842607
I hope not, those numbers give me bad flashbacks from my old Kepler. Getting fucked so hard by (((GameWorks))) was what flipped me from being an Nvidia fan to a permanent hater. AMD may milk architectures to death, but at least they don't pay devs to obsolete their own 1-2 year old cards with shit like RTX or overtessellation.

>> No.69842844

>>69842344
It's just instruction bundles for opreuse, it's not even close to the old VLIW5/4.
>>69842591
They don't.

>> No.69843732

>>69842216
>>69842298
>>69842400
>>69842344
>>69842591
>>69842844
Even though you should never assume that shit in any given patent will ever show up in real products to any degree, you guys should try actually reading it:
> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20180121386.pdf

The main point they're claiming (I think) is that existing GCN compute shaders tend to only use half the register file -> ALU bandwidth available (4 banked RF), so they're designed some mechanisms, including some sort of operand cache, to allow for 2x instructions executed in a clock for cases where the accessed registers and execution units can be overlapped.

This sounds IMO like a complicated way to crank SIMT IPC up slightly for heterogeneous operation flow, and nothing really like VLIW. I have no idea why people latched on to this patent among all others that AMD filed though.

>> No.69843918

>>69815466
kek
I remember the Intelfags saying this before Zen came out. Where is this magical new architecture they've been storing when they have released Broadwell 4 times already?

>> No.69843947

>>69843918
The intelfags who said that were just using common sense. It's not their fault intel did pathetically against all reasonable expectations.
t. drone

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>>69843918
will poopzen 3+ finally catch up to sandy bridge ipc?

>> No.69843973

>>69843967
It already did a while ago.

>> No.69843986

>>69843918
They have the architecture

They don't have the node

>> No.69843996

>>69834949
He's basically an AMD employee masquerading as a Youtuber.

>> No.69844682

>>69843918
It will come anytime soon, just wait

>> No.69845025

>>69844682
Coming soon in 2077

>> No.69845223

>>69813717
AMD need to get their shit together and come out with something significantly better than GCN, I was unimpressed with GCN when it came out I held on to 5870 until I got good deal for 660 Ti.

>> No.69845978

>>69820117
rx 470 and a phenom ii x6 1055T here

do i jump on a 2600? it'll be creaper once the 3000 is out
is the 1700 that much "better" than the 2600? not really for everyday use and and 30 more watts TDP
do i until july when the 3000s drop?
will intel drop anything of note in the future to compete?

>> No.69846020

>>69845978
Ryzen 3000 is meant to compete with the current i9. Intel's new CPUs will blow ryzen 3000 out of the water.

>> No.69846067

>>69846020
nigga i'm sitting on decade old silicon, i'm not throwing $1000+ away on whatever intel's high end monstrosity is

>> No.69846109

>>69846067
Well then enjoy your cheap trash from amd. But then don't come here crying about how hot and slow your shit is running and how you regret not buying an Intel cpu.

>> No.69846471

>>69846020
What new cpus? They've got absolutely nothing new coming for desktop this year and probably not the next either. Are you suggesting he wait until fucking 2023 or something to build a new system? If Intel does come up with something new he can look into it then but there's nothing in the foreseeable future so there's nothing to wait for.

>> No.69846482

>>69846109
That is just sad. I9s hitting 250W and you're saying they run cooler than ryzen. Shill harder kike.

>> No.69846557

>>69835058
The leather jacket was fucking funny. Everyone knew she was fucking with Huang

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