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!!CES Jan. 8 - 11. Strong advisory to buy after CES announcements!!

>Assemble a part list
https://pcpartpicker.com/
>Example gaming builds; click on blue titles to see notes
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/
>Learn how to build a PC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g

Want help?
>State the budget & CURRENCY
>Post at least some attempt at a parts list
>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs based on current pricing:
>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on some MSI mobos)
>R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming
>R5 2600/X - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs
>i7 8700/K or i7 9700K - Extreme setup with RTX 2080/Ti
>R7 2700/X or i9 9900K - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing

RAM:
>Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended
>CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000CL15 or 3200CL16 is ideal
>AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipets support XMP

Graphics cards based on current pricing:
>Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty
1080p
>GTX 1050 3GB (bad value), RX 570, RX 580 are standard choices
>GTX 1070/Ti if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match
1440p
>GTX 1070/Ti and Vega 56 are standard choices
>RTX 2080 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match
2160p (4K)
>RTX 2080 is the standard choice
>RTX 2080Ti is better for 4K but expensive

General:
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
>A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
>https://rentry.co/pcbg-more

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>>69023436
bump
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wCz4vn
>$1500USD Gaming PC, 1080p144hz
how's this look anons

>> No.69023473

>>69023449
Not aymd and freesync?

>> No.69023497

>>69023449
Looks pretty based. Do you really need that much power?

>> No.69023519

>>69023449
What the other anon said. Look at Vega56 and pair with a freesync monitor

>> No.69023586

>>69023519
Freesync works with gtx just fine though.

>> No.69023614

>>69023449
Not bad but get 3000CL15 or 3200CL16
Check out the MSI Optix or Samsung CFG73
Get an m.2 format SSD
Get a lower wattage PSU (actually more efficient at your power draw)

>> No.69023629

>>69023586
no, it doesnt

>> No.69023670

>>69023629
It does when you have AMD graphics in your CPU. There's a trick where you make the bios think your gtx card is the AMD graphics. Suddenly the system makes freesync work for you.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3300167/components-graphics/amd-freesync-on-nvidia-geforce-graphics.html

>> No.69023680

I kinna wait to get my XB271HU next year!

>> No.69023768

I bought a 4gb rx580, how fucked am I?

>> No.69023782

>Boot time from HDD: 14.44s
>Boot time from SSD: 5.6s
Have I been memed?

>> No.69023789

>>69023670
Damn nice I thought that couldn't be done anymore

>> No.69023809

>>69023789
Yeah but a Ryzen 5 2600 doesn't have an iGPU, so he'd need an AMD dedicated card for Freesync.

>> No.69023812

>>69023768
You have 2 years until it's obsolete. Maybe less.

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>>69023782
I'm at 14s with the SSD. You're lucky.

>> No.69023846

>>69023782
You're better off benchmarking this by launching applications that load a lot of files or a heavy game (MMOs work great for this)

You can go from 2 minute load times to 20 seconds.

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>tfw thought I just needed a 2.0 speaker system.

I've fucked myself. This shit has no bass. My headphones sound better. Should have gotten a subwoofer.

>literally no one sells PC subwoofers without them being in a set

FUUUUUUCK I NEED BASS.

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>>69023819
Not lucky, just use a lightweight linux distro.

>>69023846
I noticed opening a browser seemed pretty smooth but no way of timing that so precisely.

>> No.69024129

>>69023670
It does when you have AMD graphics in your CPU
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 2600 R5 doesn't fucking have AMD graphics on board you irrelevant shit poster.

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>"Why should I care that TN panels have bad viewing angles, I'm staring at it from the front after all!"

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>>69023782
>>69023819
I convinced a friend of mine to install a SSD and asked him to record boot times on his Win7 gaming laptop. He did record the time from pressing the start button to the reddit frontpage.
>with HDD: 7 minutes
>with SSD: 1,5 minutes

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>they don't have 4 7200rpm Western Digital Blacks in RAID 0 for fast boot times without the SSD meme

>> No.69024462

>>69024452
HDDs take too much space and are too loud.

>> No.69025185

Why would you "build a PC" when you can buy a Mac?
It just works nigga HAHAHAHAHA

>> No.69025262

I want a monitor that's good for games, high refresh rate, gsync, 1440p. I currently have 3x Dell U2412. I would be replacing one of them (no space for a 4th). I don't want to kill myself finaicially, so any outlay up to £200 plus what I could get for selling a U2412. Ideas?

>> No.69025274

>>69025262
>so any outlay up to £200 plus what I could get for selling a U2412
>ideas?
Nothing with G-Sync in that price range

>> No.69025295

>>69025262
https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=monlcd19wide&xf=11963_144~11992_NVIDIA+G-Sync~14591_25601440~14591_34401440&asuch=&bpmin=&bpmax=&v=e&hloc=uk&plz=&dist=&mail=&sort=p#productlist

>> No.69025301

>>69025262
>open up PC Part Picker
>set region to UK
>browse monitors with filters "2560x1440p" and "G-Sync"
>???

>> No.69025351

Why isn't 1060 in the recommended GPU list?

>> No.69025353

>>69025274
Yeah, might have to go up a bit.

>>69025295
Thanks. Never heard of this site.

>>69025301
Already done. pcpartpicker isn't always complete and their price sources are pretty limited.

Looking right now at a Dell S2417DG. I might wait until one shows up as an auction on eBay.

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YOU FRIGGIN FRICKS FRICKED ME IT WENT UP IN PRICE NOW REEEEEEE

>> No.69025607

>>69025351
Someone screwed up when copypasta and now it's like that forever. There's nothing anyone can do. I'm sorry.

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>>69023436
I'm losing my shit over this PC build that isn't giving expected performance:
>8700k (w/ Noctua D-15)
>1080ti Strix
>Maximus X Formula mobo
>16gb ram
>Win 7 (no updates installed yet)
>EVGA P2 850w

Runs games really slow and with constant stuttering. Red Orchestra 2 has an almost stable 60fps with dips in dense areas. CS:S and TF2 run really laggy like 20fps even on lowest graphics which my toaster runs faster with. No overclocking (besides XMP RAM) is used. "Monitor" is a Sony TV for now. (Yes, HDMI is in the GPU)

Another weird thing is that when the PC gets turned on, it loses power for 5-10 seconds then restarts/resumes booting back on again. But if I turn off the ASUS lighting on the 1080ti, then it turns on normally without interruptions.

Also related, the 1080ti has an ORANGE glowing led before logging in to user, while my brother's 1070ti glows RED before logging in (Win10). So far my brother's 2700X + 1070ti + X470-F PC runs ANYTHING smoother and exceptionally well.

Any idea what would be the problem here? NOTE: that I am running basic Win7 64-bit, and I haven't updated to SP1. (or any Windows update for that matter)
GPU, CPU, and PSU all seem to be the culprits here but I'm absolutely bewildered and upset about this...

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https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Xjmxjy

I'd like this to finally replace my i5-2400 with this. Mainly photoshop, gaymes at 1080p and stuff like that. I will be using my r9 380 with it for now. Is it worth spending a bit more on RAM or is it a meme outside of synthetic benchmarks?

>> No.69025661

>>69025616

>NOTE: that I am running basic Win7 64-bit, and I haven't updated to SP1. (or any Windows update for that matter)

Why the fuck not?

Did you install drivers?

Why are you so retarded?

>> No.69025682

>>69025616
As everyone has already told you the last days, try it with a modern OS.
Windows 7 doesn't support this CPU or chipset officially.

So install Windows 10 on a spare disk or partition and do your tests there.
If you get the same results then you can blame the hardware.
You can download windows 10 for free here https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10
You don't need a key.

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>>69025456

>> No.69025698

>>69025616
maybe run userbenchmark to see which part is underperforming.

>> No.69025752

>>69025456
i appreciate how more scuffed each picture gets each thread

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>>69025698
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/13131979
FUCK
NOW WHAT?

>>69025661
>Why the fuck not?
I was worried about the newer telemetry stuff added to Win 7.
>Did you install drivers?
All drivers installed and up to date. btw I use GeForce Experience because of Shadowplay meme.

>>69025682
I just wanted more ideas/opinions on how to tackle this. This is what I'm going to try so far (in order):
1. Benchmarks (I don't know which specific ones, though)
2. Test on Windows 10 (gg privacy...)
3. Install SP1
4. Test GPU hardware
5. Test PSU hardware
6. Test CPU hardware

>> No.69025892

Is a 4k 144hz full HDR monitor worth it if im literally broke?
will it run on my ivy bridge and GTX 670

>> No.69025906

>>69025892
If you're broke you are better off saving it up for emergencies or other dry periods instead of spending it on a luxury item.

>> No.69025962

quick question: do i need pci-e 3 on my mobo to max out a rx580?

>> No.69025973

>>69025456
I have this monitor. AMA

>> No.69026009

>>69025625
Any suggestions?

>> No.69026035

>>69025973
how is it

>> No.69026038
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69026038

Hey can anyone help me?
I have an NZXT H500 case and a X470 motherboard
But my case has this F_panel connector and my board has this colored front panel connector how am I supposed to plug it in?

>> No.69026138

>>69025839
Install windows 10 you fucking moron.

>> No.69026178

>>69025351
Because the 580 is usually better and $100 cheaper.

>> No.69026267

>firendo buys gaymer laptop.
>Enable vsync in his game and tell him it just disables higher refresh rates than he needs; helps him make his laptop last longer.
>No anon. fuck you. The fans spinning loudly mean its using GoyimChill(tm) technology to keep the best settings available. I'm not going to turn v-sync on.
>Ask him if he sees that screen tearing about every 2 seconds without v-sync.
>no anon, fuck off. (Turns v-sync off and his laptop starts blowing loud like an old hair dryer)

Why did i even bothered with those zoomers...

>> No.69026291

Seeing as there won't be a new mac pro anytime soon would this be a good hackintosh replacement for an obsolete ~2014 trashcan?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fQrKgw
Sleeker case would be nice but I don't really want to go smaller, any suggestions?
I heard AMD CPUs aren't really supported by apple, any experience with that? Or should I just go and spend money on a imac pro and throw that away when it no longer keeps up?
Usage is 3D rendering and visualisation with occasional 4k footage cutting and rendering work in a small engineering company. Graphic designer insists on macOS and he's worth keeping.

>> No.69026297

>>69026267
You don't need Vsync you could just limit you're FPS
Same results and no input lag

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just snatched one of these off amazon for 418 euro. how did I do, /g/?

>> No.69026318

>>69026297
With adaptive-vsync they're pretty much the same thing. Framerate limiting is the key word.

>> No.69026321

>>69026178

what i ma seeing is actually that the 1060 is cheaper AND better

>> No.69026342

>>69025625
Careful with corsair ram it's very finicky, should probably get ripjaws instead

>> No.69026357

>>69026267
Your friend is right

>> No.69026390

>>69026038
Anyone?

>> No.69026397

>>69026307
it's ok but don't expect to overclock it

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>>69026038
>>69026390

>> No.69026453

>>69026414
THX

>> No.69026495

>>69023436
AMD Athlon 220GE and 240GE are avalaible!

>> No.69026533

WHY DECIDED THAT ALL MOTHERBOARDS NEED TO HAVE ALL THESE GAY ASS GAYMER HEATSINKS LITTER THE SURFACE
I CANT FIT MY BIG MEATY CLAWS TO GET THE SCREWS IN PLACE

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>buy a new, curved (meme but whatever) 27" 1080p 144hz VA Korean Monitor for $180
>works absolutely perfectly, looks beautiful, overdrive settings work well, best monitor ive ever had at a fraction of the price of any other competitor

>cant swap directly to HDMI from DisplayPort through the menu, have to wiggle the DisplayPort cable out and have it automatically swap to HDMI1 then plug it back in
I love this thing but this one tiny issue just breaks my heart

>> No.69026765

>>69026035
I'm not a monitor snob or connoisseur but I really like it given the features it has. I don't notice va panel ghosting in games and the built-in speakers are actually decent. Huge colour quality difference coming from my 8yr old 1080p 60hz tn monitor. I run a rx580 8gb with it.

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My CPU temps at idle are at 22C. My room is 24C right now. I heard that if your CPU temps drop below room ambient temps then you will damage your CPU/Motherboard from condensation. Is this true that I'm killing my PC this way?

>> No.69026912

>>69026850
It's impossible for your CPU to be below room temperature. One of your readings just gives wrong data.
A normal cooling setup, be it fan or water cooling, will not cool the CPU but move the heat away.

Unless you actively cool your CPU (dry ice, liquid nitrogen, duct tape an AC on top of it) you will not have this issue.

>> No.69027370

>>69023436
Why would PBO be bettet than an all core OC on a 2700X?

>> No.69027404

>SSD prices projected to halve in 2019
feelsgoodman. now, about the GPU/RAM prices...

>> No.69027425

How can you tell if a fan is pushing or pulling in air by looking at it?

>> No.69027427

>>69025892
>/g/ - Technology

>> No.69027475

>>69027425
Most fans I've seen push out from the grill side.
If you have access to the fan there should be a little arrow somewhere confirming it.

>> No.69027487

Now that adoredtv proved to be a lying clickbait faggot is it safe to buy a 9700k since there won't be nothing better for a year?

>> No.69027522

I assembled my first PC almost 12 years ago now. I still have the original power supply, some kind of 1000w Thermaltake unit.

Should I replace that power supply? I've only done some light overclocking of the CPU for a period of 5 months and then put the computer in storage. I haven't used the computer in more than 2 years, except to make sure it still boots.

>> No.69027529

>>69027487
source on that?
I need a good laugh

>> No.69027532

>>69027487
zen2 should be half a year away, not a year. but if you can't wait at all and need the single core performance, go ahead

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>>69027522
It's very similar to this.

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>>69027529
Pic related
Pretty much the opposite of what adoredtv said on his videos based on his "legit source" so expect the specs to be bullshit aswell.

>> No.69027797

Damn. No Ces announcement? Been holding off buying a graphic cards this whole time. Feels bad man

>> No.69027865

>>69023670
It doesn't work in every game, has a performance impact, adds input lag and glitches.

>> No.69027874

I might actually buy the RTX Titan, fixes the only fault I have with my Titan V (the rather small amount of memory).
If it can do the same AI stuff it's basically a no brainer. I do wish they kept their old pricing scheme though, the 2080ti already costs old Titan money. When does the review embargo lift?

>> No.69027934

>>69027797
spring or summer, maybe even fall for certain 7nm products.

>> No.69027938

>>69027425
the side with the grill is the exhaust side, the other side is intake.

>> No.69028056

>>69023782
How is it a meme? The boot time is much faster on the SSD, as expected.
>>69024437
>7 minutes
>1.5 minutes
what the fuck man, what does it mean?

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Just missing memory for my budget build. How are these? They're cheaper and have more mhz than the cheapest Hyperx or known brands, so it's kinda weird to me. Build is for low-end gaming, so planning on 2x4gb.

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>have 1070ti, R5 2600, 16gb [email protected]
>buying new monitor
Which is better, 4K 60hz or 1440p 144hz?
I'm deciding between these two monitors (unless anyone has any good suggestions)

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BYU0GVC

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0149QBOF0/

pic related is my build

>> No.69028117

>>69025616
you can either go full sweaty ass fat fuck basement dweller mode and learn a completely new OS like linux or accept that 7 has been phased out and likely been doomed by planned obsolescence, alternatively you can keep making your own life a living hell and try to live in regression constantly fighting new updates from shill gates and the pajeets that work for him

>> No.69028172

>>69025616
did you try checking to see if your motherboard is faulty?

did you test psu voltages?

did you update all drivers and stop using win7?

did you plug in everything right?

are you connected to an outlet that is bad?

how many watts is your psu, did you use a calculator? do you have enough power?

>> No.69028177

>>69028117
Pretty much everyone would take windows 10 over loonix.

>> No.69028234

>>69028107
forget 4k with only a 1070ti,
with that set up your best bet is 1440p 60hz or the 144hz 1080p

>> No.69028327

I need a high refresh 1080p monitor. What's the shortlist of the best ones you should buy?

>> No.69028417

>>69028107
just do 1440p 144hz

4k is a meme

144hz is just too good to miss out on

>> No.69028491

Recently bought a 2080ti, currently paired with a 4790k & 165hz 1440p monitor.
What should be my next cpu purchase?

>> No.69028524
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Currently have i3-7100
Just purchased i5-9600k
I have a Gigabyte Z270X Motherboard
Am I really this retarded? should I expect compatibility issues since my motherboard isnt a z370?

>> No.69028537

>>69023436
guys what can I possibly build with a budget of only $2,500? Is it even worth trying or should I save up more...

>> No.69028551

>>69028524
It won't fucking work

>> No.69028554

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zghbfH

Guys, would a 850W Gold Seasonic Focus PSU be enough for this build?? It's the one I have, but I'm a brainlet so I'm not sure if 850W is enough??

>> No.69028569

>>69028524
Sorry anon, you need either a z370 or a z390 for that cpu. On that one the cpu straight up won't work

>> No.69028599

>>69025839
Listen youy absolute fucking idiot, just install Windows 10 and your problems will be gone just like that. If you really are so fucking worried about privacy that you're willing to let your system run like shit and much worse than your brother'sa less powerful PC then I'm afraid you may be retarded

>> No.69028604

>>69028554
Plenty.
~300W for the GPU and CPU together, so you have a bit less than 550 for all other devices.

>> No.69028606

>>69028551
>>69028569
goddamn i'm retarded
thanks anyways guys, another $250 going to silicone bullies

>> No.69028611

Is Freesync a meme? Is it worth getting a 580 over a better Nvidia card for it?

>> No.69028638

>>69028604
Yes!! Thanks anon

>> No.69028641

>>69028611
not worth getting a worse card
still cool technology though

>> No.69028691

>>69028611
only worth getting 580 over 1060 for freesync if it's the same price.

>> No.69028737

>>69028554
850W is plenty, brainlet. You SSD is shit compared to the rest of the build. 99% chance you don't need 32GB of RAM. Purpose of build?

>>69028537
Can't build anything with $2,500

>>69028524
Won't work. You can buy an i7 7700K if you want similar performance to the i5 9600K

>>69028327
MSI Optix
Samsung CFG73 24"

>>69028107
This monitor is better than the TN panel you picked out
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/acer-predator-xb271hu-bmiprz-27-ips-led-wqhd-g-sync-monitor-black/5040200.p?skuId=5040200

>>69027797
Rumors are that Nvidia will be releasing mid range cards in Jan. Not sure about AMD

>>69027522
As long as it has the modern failsafes (aka won't fry your hardware if it freaks out), it's fine.

>>69027370
For gaming, often yes, because one thread is often utilized more than others. Check CPU usage charts for JC4
https://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/just-cause-4-test-gpu-cpu

>> No.69028786

I want to build a retro pc with windows 95 so I can play doom on it
is it based

>> No.69028790

>>69027797
Me too, and all the better 1070tis are starting to vanish, I'm getting nervous

>> No.69028807

>>69028737
Thank you. How far can a 2700X clock on a single core with PBO? Are there any benchmarks that test PBO extensively? Also, which air cooler would you recommend for the 2700X Ryzen?

>> No.69028848

>>69028737
850W brainlet here. I already have that build, just wanted to know if 850W would be enough. I program and play videogames, and I've never needed 32 GB of RAM, I just bought the kit because it wasn't that expensive

>> No.69028866

>Zen 2 probably won't come out until late 2019
I feel a lot better about springing for a 2600x to replace my Phenom II instead of waiting

>> No.69028868

Whats a good mobo for R5 2600x ? I prefer it to be microatx

>> No.69029003

>>69028807
I can't answer those specifics. Personally I wouldn't get anything past a 2600X for gaming. An i7 8700 will give you better theoretical framerates than a PBO 2700X

>>69028868
Something with VRM heat syncs. If you're buying 16GB of RAM now, you don't have to worry about expansion slots, but if you're only buying 8GB, you'll need something with four total memory slots

>>69025962
PCIe 2 is fine. I'd be more worried about your CPU though

>>69025892
The fuck is this question, retard

>>69025839
>Win10
Switch to GNU/Linux or have a second machine for anything sensitive

>>69025625
>>69026009
Looks fine

>>69025351
Too expensive for its perf right now

>> No.69029025

>>69028866
Why late 2019? It has always been Q1. At worst it might be May 1st around AMDs anniversary.

>> No.69029054

>>69029003
i was looking at the msi b450m mortar as it has vrm heatssinks and it is cheap

>> No.69029056

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tYBkP3
For 1440p 144hz freesync gaming with medium/high settings. Prices aren't completely accurate because of buying locally in yurop.

Any stupid mistakes? Can I shave costs somewhere with relatively small loss of performance?

>> No.69029082

its amazing how many people fall for amd's over hyped marketing tactics every single time.

>> No.69029200

>>69029056
you do realize it's impossible for us to give any price/performance advice when we don't the currency and where you're buying from right?

>> No.69029205

>>69029056
>9600k
don't. so far we know of dunia engine games dropping below 30fps. i wouldn't risk it.
>500 for a vega64
you can get a good 2070 for 50 bucks more.

>> No.69029225

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gigabyte-GeForce-GTX-1080-Ti-Gaming-OC-Whit-11G-Graphics-Card-11-GB-GDDR5X-/303005654458?txnId=1585836165020


Just bought this lads, how did I do

>> No.69029230

>>69029205
>one engine from one shitty company that releases shitty games means you shouldnt buy it
Are you gonna ignore the fact that the 9600k beats amd in every single other engine ?

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>>69028641
>>69028691
I hate Vsync's input lag though.

>> No.69029256 [DELETED] 

>>69029230
404'd. How much?

>> No.69029272

>>69029225
404'd. How much?

>> No.69029290

>>69029272
Nevermind. Got scammed along with 26 other people

>> No.69029308

>>69029082
Elaborazione?

>> No.69029325

>>69029200
I was more thinking whether or not I should downgrade parts in general. Price ranges are relatively the same.

>>69029205
Isn't freesync worth buying AMD for since the rig won't be maxing out at 144+FPS in most games?

>> No.69029338

>>69029230
That's why i said so far. Shit like this never gets better, only worse. No, i wouldn't recommend AMD for vidya. I wouldn't even recommend a mid-range CPU to anyone who is looking to get 4+ years before you'd have to rebuild. Only CPUs i'd actually recommend for vidya-only are 8700k and 9700k, maybe a 2700x but only in combination with b-die which puts you easily at 550 bucks alone, so yeah.

>> No.69029339

>>69029290
lmao how ? this is why i never buy shit from ebay

>> No.69029371

>>69029339
£97
But it's cool. I got refunded, thankfully I used PayPal and cancelled the transaction

>> No.69029435

>>69029056
>>69029230
>Are you gonna ignore the fact that the 9600k beats amd in every single other engine ?
>only average FPS matters!
>stutters don't matter!
LOL the absolute state of Intel shills.

>> No.69029454

>>69029338
Wtf is wrong with you? I kept i5 2400 for 7 years and even know it still can keep up with 99% of games.

>> No.69029464

>>69029338
nice try shill, I'm still keeping my 2500k @ 4.6ghz

>> No.69029465

>>69029435
>stutters dont matter
but amd stutters in every single other engine

>> No.69029481

Im listing my old compy on Craigslist, and I wanted to ask you gentlemen what should I sell it for?
i5-3570k
Radeon HD 7970
550w PSU
brand new case
128GB SSD
8GB RAM

I know its old and the parts aren't worth much, but I wonder what it might go for on craigslist in my area.

>> No.69029482

>>69029464
I heard you can find 100 dollar bills on the side of the road, my neighbor once found one.

>> No.69029501

>>69029481
would someone's build like this just be the market price of all the parts + small premium?

>> No.69029510

>>69029290
£400 is a fair eBay price for next time. Most sellers will take this price, especially if they are selling multiple.

>> No.69029564

>>69029510
I didn't even want a 1080. I just wanted to upgrade my 1050 ti even though the only game I play is EU4

>> No.69029582

What are some decent monitor manufacturers that adhere to at least some semblance of standards?

>> No.69029613

>>69029454
That CPU is fine if you don't play anything demanding. But if you're playing stuff released in the last 3 years you basically have to turn off shadows and AA if you want double digits fps.

>> No.69029647

>>69029481
I would ask $450 and expect something less

>>69029056
Doesn't really look great to me. Usually you'd go i7 + an Nvidia card for max FPS. 6c/6t i5 has some drawbacks, aka it can drive high averages but then it can choke in some games, so you have to limit FPS anyway

>> No.69029689

I'm assuming a Phanteks P350x is a good case upgrade if I like the P400 my system came in, but want better airflow?

>> No.69029713

>>69029465
no

>> No.69029762

>>69029647
I looked at benchmarks for the i7 9700k vs i5 9600k and the gain was rarely above 1 FPS. The i5 costs $300 while the i7 costs $450 here, is the potential of maybe possibly futureproofing for games using over 6 cores/threads worth that much? I figured I might as well save the money for upgrading the CPU a couple of years down the line if such a future becomes reality. Does that sound reasonable?

I could consider getting an Nvidia card instead. Is freesync not worth going for AMD?

>> No.69029843

>>69029762
My 8700k cost me 300 + 60 import fee early november, still saved 100EUR compared to a 9700k and got a CPU that is 5fps weaker.

>> No.69030060

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/rC7Q9J

First time build for casual low-end gaming (Fallout 4) and regular web browsing and office work. Thoughts or comments?

>> No.69030244

>own ssd for 3 days
>0.4 tb written
what the actual fuck

>> No.69030281
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>>69030060

>> No.69030450
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How does one afford an operating system in today's economy?

>> No.69030563

What type/size of monitor is best for me? I have agtx 1060.

>> No.69030579

>>69030450
1. linux
2. win10 + kms38

>> No.69030611

>>69030563
1080p 75hz 24"

>> No.69030780

How come I haven't heard anything about Transcend 110S NVMe SSD? As in, ANYTHING, I can barely even find listings of this thing.

Just bought the 256gb version for boot and software purposes. Have I been duped? Is this going to crash on me in a months' time? Should I even bother with it? Help me /pcbg/

>> No.69030870

>>69030780
>no-name brand
>NVMeme
Cancel asap

>> No.69030887
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This is my current PC. I know that the CPU is the weakest part as it is from 2013.

So, I'll need a new motherboard & CPU.
The thing is, what the hell do I do with my current CPU & MoBo? ;_;

>> No.69030894

>>69030887
>The thing is, what the hell do I do with my current CPU & MoBo? ;_;
sell it or keep it for a media center or just have it set aside in case of emergency.

>> No.69030953

Do you think I could get at least 140$ for an EVGA 1070ti FTW in a year or so

>> No.69030971

>>69030870
Well Trasncend aren't exactly a "no-name" brand, are they? I see their external HDDs all the time.

And why is NVMe a meme? What's wrong with it?

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>>69030579
Neat

>> No.69030988

>>69030563
Just get a 1080 144hz, they are not much more expensive than the 60hz ones (unless you get a really shitty one)

>> No.69030989
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69030989

Please help me debug an issue with my build, /g/.

My machine likes to suddenly and completely shut off when running games. It just entirely goes black, all fans off etc., and then I need to even toggle the PSU off, wait for 10-20 seconds, turn it back on and then it works fine again. Before waiting those few seconds just nothing happens.

It happens pretty randomly in most games, but there are some scenes that now trigger it pretty reliably. I'm somewhat sure it's not overheating, since it can happen within 20 seconds of starting a round even if everything was at 30-40 degrees beforehand.

Hardware is a TR 2950X, X399 Taichi, 2080ti and Aero Cool P7-850W PSU.

I guess it's the PSU that might be the issue? I'd be slightly disappointed if that were the case, it had good reviews.

>> No.69031006

If I get a discrete graphics card for my 2400g is there a limit to what I could go for before its bottlenecked by the processor?

>> No.69031017

>>69030971
nothing is particularly wrong with it, you just wont really notice a speed increase in 90% of use-cases
especially gaming.

The big speed up from HDD to SSD besides pure write speed, is latency, and there is pretty much no difference in latency between a SATA SSD and an NVMe SSD.

Further, most things are already sped up by an SSDs read/write performance, the only thing that really NEEDS an NVMe's 1500-2000MB/s+ read/write speeds is for working on RAW 4k or higher res professional video footage. Where you need fast storage to scrub through the timeline without waiting forever.

For general use, and gaming, normal SSDs are already much better than an HDD, and going to an NVMe drive will generally not be noticed.

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single-channelfag here and I have a question.
How much I can OC my 2666mhz ram?

>> No.69031048

Just built my first gaming pc a few weeks ago. Easy as hell, thank god I didn't buy a prebuilt. Using an nzxt case and downloaded their CAM software but it seems like a disaster. Right now I can't even log in.

What's the best program for controlling fans/monitoring temperatures, etc.

Seems like most of these companies proprietary software is just garbage. I can't keep my logitech keyboard settings to stay saved for the life of me.

>> No.69031069

>>69031017
>the only thing that really NEEDS an NVMe's 1500-2000MB/s+ read/write speeds is for working on RAW 4k or higher res professional video footage
Oh then that's great to hear, since I'll be using it mainly for video editing, I'm not a gamer. Thanks man.

The 110S was just really cheap (like 40$) so I figured why not. Hopefully it won't fail me.

>> No.69031127
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I got a Sapphire Nitro+ 580 for $150 burger, how did I do? Doesn't seem to be a miner's card either.

>> No.69031148

>>69031127
I mean you can get a brand new one for $20 more.

>> No.69031168

Well I spent the extra money and got 16gb of 3200mhz B die RAM for my Ryzen 2600X build. The parts are all coming tomorrow. What is a good source for reading up on how to configure RAM timings for Ryzen systems?

>> No.69031237
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Since AMD won't announce their new CPU units and CES, is buying a 9700k the best option in the market right now?

>> No.69031280

>>69031237
as was already answered, unless you're willing to wait ~5-8 months for Zen 2, yes. It's a good CPU, might as well buy it if you aren't waiting.

>> No.69031295

>>69031237
yes, since you get the 9700k now and it will most likely still beat ryzen 2 cpus.

>> No.69031310

>>69031148
Sapphires always seemed to be $220+ when I was shopping for them

>> No.69031387
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A few days ago, I built a pc for a friend. Well, he only tell me to assemble it, he bought an i3 8100 I think, just shit). He changed the PC cause he thinks his mobo is dead because it's slow and had lots of problems.
Well, he gave me the mobo, the processor, and the cooler. The mobo is an asrock 960 extreme4 and the proce is a AMD FX 8350. I just bought a case, some DDR3 1600 RAM (4GB, just testing), a Nvidia 210 (just testing x2), installed Windows 10, and hell. It works pretty fine.
Literally, this guy didn't even remove tape from the chipset coolers. Those gets really hot, especially north bridge. That ain't inussual in this chipstes, but im going to put a couple of 4cm fans.

Well, excluding the fucking oil warmer the FX is, it is a very nice PC. My actual setup has a shitty AMD A10 5800k. The mobo hasn't even PCI-e 3.0, but it works extremly well with an AMD radeon 285x.

The question is; should Ichange my mobo-processor to these parts? Could it be worth it?
I don't know if those systems tends to fail. The heat that processor makes scares me, and I'm an AMD user long ago.

>> No.69031433

I still haven't gotten an answer on whether it's worth it to go for freesync or for a stronger Nvidia GPU for 144hz gaming.

Please respond.

>> No.69031524

>>69031433
Uh you already got a freesnyc monitor or something? Otherwise why wouldn't you go for the better card?

>> No.69031545

>>69031433
>Please respond.
no

>> No.69031551
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>can tear a car apart and put it back together
>don't know shit about computers

I want to move from being a console peasant to the pc master race, but god damn I'm retarded with this shit. I'm scrolling through that parts list confused as fuck as to what I'm reading.

>> No.69031553

>>69029082
Hey man, I too think ayymd is way behind with poozen and trashdeon but Intel CPU prices are too high, i5s cost what used to cost i7s. The last two gens AMD was better unless you were some richfag going for a 3K+$ build. Maybe with 10nm Ice Lake Intel will get their shit together and stop charging so much.

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>>69023436
Absolute retard here, why do I need to plan my build around my monitor if I'm making a gaming PC?

>> No.69031617

>>69031237
Why wouldn't they? Just check the description of AMD's CES presentation. It would be stupid to talk about their 7nm business products again at a consumer oriented event.

>> No.69031648

>>69031551
It's like car parts. CPU is an engine, only fits into certain chassis platforms -i.e. a motherboard. Graphics card is an aftermarket turbo that can slap on to anything. Also there's underlighting and stickers.

>> No.69031678

>>69031610
Cause those super high frame rates need monitors that can refresh that fast. Also the plug the monitor(s) use is one you'll need on your graphics card. Vsync for Nvidia, FreeSync for AMD.

>> No.69031679

>>69031610
If you're starting from scratch it's good to start with the monitor/resolution/hz since that dictates the power level the cpu/gpu/ram. But if you already own a monitor from your old system just build the system that fits your budget, plan ahead a bit and upgrade the monitor in the future if your rig can handle it.

>> No.69031698

>>69031433
For 144Hz you'd need a 2080ti or 2080 at which you'd also have enough cash for goysync.

>> No.69031720

>>69031678
Not that Vsync and Freesync are the plugs, the plugs are generally hdmi, dvi and display port, I could have worded that better

>> No.69031727

>>69031698
retard

>> No.69031755

>>69031678
>>69031679
What if I'm just building some budget PC that cost less than $500 because my current PC's video card and CPU apparently sucks dick? I can't imagine I'd need to worry about getting a monitor that can handle high framerates when I'm just building a toaster. Also, does Windows 10 still come packaged with glorified spyware and unnecessary add-ons or am I misremembering the fuckfest that surrounded it last year?

>> No.69031774

>>69031755
>PC that cost less than $500
purpose?

>> No.69031823

>>69031774
I mostly play old games and indie shit, so I don't really need to go all out on it. I'd probably be willing to go up to $600 if I have to for a PC that isn't absolute dogshit.

>> No.69031825

>>69031551
Watch the how to build a PC video in the OP

>>69031433
Freesync comes standard with most new monitors. The question is more whether you want to utilize it

>>69031387
FX 8350 is still decent, if you got it for free.

>> No.69031833

Just put together a first build, running a Corsair aio to cool the processor, yeah I know it was probably a waste of money or whatever but I’m just looking to troubleshoot. Fans on the radiator work, but the system doesn’t recognize the aio and I assume the pump isn’t functioning. No lights or anything. It’s Corsair shit that runs a microusb into a usb header. Tried my few header options, thinking the cable is bad.

>> No.69031853

>>69031823
500-600 for what? the whole rig or only cpu/mobo/ram?

>> No.69031883

>>69031853
Whole rig.

>> No.69031899

>>69031755
Windows 10 still does but there's tutorials and vids on how to turn it all off

>> No.69031907

>>69031899
I thought people were throwing a shitstorm specifically because it'd turn itself back on no matter what.

>> No.69031913

>>69031524
>>69031698
>>69031825
I bought a freesync 144hz during black friday because I assumed that AMD and Nvidia were about on par in terms of GPUs that could pull off 144hz. I guess I was wrong, but now I'm not sure what to do.

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How does /v/ feel about https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/model/UM.HX1AA.013

>> No.69031992

>>69031913
What card do you have at the moment?

>>69031755
What is your current rig?

>> No.69031993

>>69031913
Just check bencmarks of GPUs you want to buy.

>> No.69032039

>>69031907
There's free software you can get that'll reset it all to your chosen options after every restart.

>> No.69032052

I want a 1440p 60Hz IPS monitor that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

Am I stupid?

>> No.69032077

How much would you pay for a GTX 780 that is only mildly crusty after five years of farts and dead skin.

>> No.69032079

>>69031977
>freesync
Into the trash

>> No.69032084

>>69031992
No idea why my current rig is exactly since I'm a neanderthal that had a friend build it years ago, but I want to say I have an AMD A8-7600 Radeon R7, NVIDIA GeForce GT 740, and 8GB. No idea what my Motherboard or Power Supply is (and no idea how much that matters).

>> No.69032105

>>69031992
>>69031993
Right now I've got a shitty GTX 760. I was looking at buying a Vega 64 earlier in the thread but was advised to consider a high end Nvidia card instead to get enough juice for 1440p 144hz games.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tYBkP3

>> No.69032109

>>69030244
>own ssd for 3 weeks
>0.2 tb written
Lmao how
Do you download huge games and files all day

>> No.69032121

How important is it for my two monitors to be the same size (not resolution) if I want to do a dual monitor setup? I have a 24 inch one and I'm planning to buy a 22 inch one because it's on sale but I'm worried that it will look like shit. Is the difference noticeable? I just want to multitask and program...

>> No.69032133

>>69032121
(Oh and they're both 1080p)

>> No.69032139

>>69032121
Windows can handle different resolutions if that's what you mean, and you can adjust it so that your mouse and windows scroll smoothly horizontally

>> No.69032145

>>69032077
No more than $70. The thermal paste must be crusty and the fans are on their last legs or make an annoying sound from dried lubricant.

>> No.69032159

>>69032145
We were in that ballpark but cunt stopped the ebay auction. Used card market is groady.

>> No.69032177

>>69032084
Is your GT 740 GDDR5 or DDR3? If the former you could bring it with and slap it on a ryzen 1600X and have a platform that'll let you upgrade to Ryzen 2 and a better GPU later.

>> No.69032220

>>69032159
I know what you mean. I've bought used GPUs in the past and had to deal with my share of haggling and asshole miner sellers.

>> No.69032221

>>69032177
Where do I check to see what it is?

>> No.69032229
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So I just I'm trying to finish up my first build I went ahead and put everything together and turned the power on the fans ran all LEDs came on ect... but no video I let it run for a few minutes and turned it off and then back on again only now the components flash for just a moment and then everything turns off.. the led indicator on my motherboards says it's an error with the cpu... What can I do to trouble shoot guys? It's a AMD Ryzen 5 2600 cpu and this motherboard hhttps://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GA-AB350-Gaming-Fusion-HDMI1-4-Motherboard/dp/B06VWHXK94&ved=2ahUKEwjLqcDUzLTfAhWEyIMKHaewAJUQFjAMegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw17dRZgA3r0qw4Lk_6-f3si

>> No.69032233

>>69032221
Use HWInfo

>> No.69032262

>>69032233
It's a DDR3.

>> No.69032264

>>69032229
Just a guess but the B350 might need a BIOS update to use the Zen+ cpus, those motherboards came out for the original zen chips

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vv. I spent a week, a solid week of free time researching ram, and I still don't know what 16 gb ram works for the ASRock 970m Pro3.
The specifications say that it supports:
- Dual Channel DDR3 Memory Technology
- 4 x DDR3 DIMM Slots
- Supports DDR3 2400+(OC)/2100(OC)/1866(OC)/1800(OC)/1600(OC)/1333/1066 non-ECC, un-buffered memory
- Max. capacity of system memory: 64GB*
- Supports Intel® Extreme Memory Profile (XMP) 1.3 / 1.2
- Supports AMD Memory Profile Technology (AMP) up to AMP 2400

I'm trying to put my old 8350 FX 8 core into this motherboard.

It's so hard to find 16gb ram modules that are DDR3. I was trying to find 2400 mhz 16 gb modules to have 64 gb of ram.

Would these work with that motherboard? (shortened the links for convenience)
bit dot ly/2V8DAi3
bit dot ly/2rRIget
bit dot ly/2SfBf2Q

Also I currently have a GA 970a UD3P GigaByte Motherboard. Do you guys that these would fit in this motherboard at least?
I've never tested server memory on desktops.

>> No.69032282

>>69032262
Your cheapest option might be a 2200G or a 2400G cpu with its 1030-equivalent integrated graphics, or a 1600/2600 if you can find a decent used card for cheap like the GTX 780 mentioned above

>> No.69032286

Any programmers here? If I'm studying software engineering, would I benefit from having 32 GB RAM? Right now I have 16 GB, and I can either upgrade to 32 GB of RAM, or to a dual monitor setup. What do you think would help mkre with productivity, more RAM or another monitor? I'm leaning towards the monitor...

>> No.69032356

>>69032286
More ram won’t help you at all.

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>>6903227
>a week
Dude ceck the manual

>> No.69032405

>>69032286
Monitor

>>69032077
$50

>>69031913
You haven't stated the resolution of the monitor.

>> No.69032433

>>69032286
totally another monitor, 3 is nice desu. I have two 4:3 ones and a widescreen in the middle. old vga ones

>> No.69032461

>>69032405
1440p

>> No.69032524

which rtx 2070 to buy?
If Im not overclocking but just want it to last a long time under heavy workloads

>> No.69032540

>>69032461
In that case you're looking at one of the RTX cards

>> No.69032563

>>69030060
Drop the optical drive and get a better case imo.

>> No.69032707

>>69032563
needs it for the mixtapes

>> No.69032717

>>69030989
Probably PSU, although another component could be faulty, tripping the PSU. I've had both a PSU and an SSD cause that problem

>> No.69032735

>>69030060
Graphics card? You aren't going to play FO4 with the integrated graphics

>> No.69032756

>>69024462
>9 days before 2019
>HDDs are too loud
Do you want me to record my iMac G5 to make you realize what is an actually loud HDD ?

>> No.69032769

Thoughts on the Viewsonic XG2703-GS /g/?

>> No.69032777

>>69032735
Rubbish, the 2400G can handle FO4 on medium at 1080p

>> No.69032810

>>69032777
lol

>> No.69032898

The only review I can find for the motherboard I want is in russian.

How reliable is google translate?

>> No.69032922

>>69032898
post mobo

>> No.69032928 [DELETED] 

>>69032898
谷歌翻譯非常可靠

>> No.69032945

>>69032922
https://overclockers.ru/lab/show/94598/obzor-i-test-materinskoj-platy-asrock-z390-phantom-gaming-6

>> No.69032962

>>69032922
>>69032945
just to note, the only reason I particularly am interested in THIS board, is because it's the only Z390 board with a built in add-on SATA controller for 2 more SATA ports than normal.

Otherwise i'll need to buy an add-on SATA PCI card for my HDDs.

>> No.69033207

Looking at 4 RX-580s 8gb, all around $150. Which of these would be the best to buy?
Msi Armor OC
Msi Gaming X
Asus
XFX GTS XXX

>> No.69033282
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>>69023436
Hey look its the intel shill that keeps trying to shoehorn the i9 into the op despite it being insanely overpriced and unoverclockable

>> No.69033287

also posted this on /csg/ but

>bought a Gigabyte video card/power supply combo on JD (JingDong, Chinese Amazon)
>It arrives
>Power supply is obviously new, wrapped in plastic and no dents
>Video card box has no plastic, has obviously been already opened
>open video card box
>seems like half the accessories that could have come with the device are missing
>the wrapping around the video card itself is torn in multiple places

Why is it impossible for chinks to be honest, intelligent people? He tried telling me that's how the factory packaged it when he also sent me another Gigabyte product that was wrapped in plastic. My Chinese gf is taking care of it but jesus christ

>> No.69033337

>>69033287
ask your soulless buggf that question

>> No.69033356
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69033356

I think I'ma just go for it and get a 2080ti. How's this model?

>>69033337
I keep her around for situations like this that happen all too often. Otherwise living in this shithole country would be impossible.

>> No.69033357

>>69032105
>earlier in the thread but was advised to consider a high end Nvidia card instead to get enough juice for 1440p 144hz games.
It's a catch-22.
Sure a 2080 is going to drive higher framerates on average. But 100 fps on a 144hz non-sync panel is largely going to look shittier than 75fps on a Freesync one.
If you're buying a new monitor, it makes more sense to just save the money, get a freesync one, and just turn settings down a bit when needed.

>> No.69033365

>>69033356
>buying a $1500 gpu
cuck

>> No.69033367

>>69033356
I don't think blower gpus are ever a good choice

>> No.69033404

>>69033356
>Dual Ball
I guess you like dicks too.

>> No.69033435

>>69033365
>>69033367
>>69033404
k fags, what do I get then? 9,000RMB is the cheapest they go here.

>> No.69033438

>>69032109
neither

my initial guess was that formatting utilities such as mkfs or internal windows one just re-write the drive with zeroes, but it doesn't seem to be true

>> No.69033467

>>69033435
Can't you just buy from amazon instead of that shady chinese website?

>> No.69033498

>>69033435
buy a gpu that isnt 1500$

>> No.69033535

>>69033498
Please tell me how to achieve 144fps 1440p then.

>>69033467
Chink Amazon isn't any better.

>> No.69033596

hmm it seems like the RTX 2080 is about as good as the 1080ti.

New 1080ti's are impossible to find tho. It's either get a used one for ~$800 or more or just pick up a new 2080.

>> No.69033727

>>69026321
What region? US, Aus and most Euro countries, the Polaris cards blow the mid/lower range Pascal cards out of the water in terms of value.

>> No.69033746

>>69033356
Seeing as this OP has gone and omitted stuff from the old OP, here's a snippet from the old copy/pasta
>RTX 2000 cards; cheap models usually low yield processor. Aim for factory OC versions for best performance
I'd steer away from cheaper versions of given Turing models.

>> No.69033808
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69033808

retiree building my first gaming pc, give me solid criticism
1500 budget

>> No.69033850

>>69028107
>>69028417
144hz is a pointless meme for gaming, and 1440p is a stop gap resolution that will never have native content.

4k is the future.

>> No.69033888

>>69033850
kys

>> No.69033912

Can someone explain exactly why the 9600k/8600k is a bad choice? It beats even the 2700x in single and quad core performance, is relatively cheap, not sensitive about RAM, and 6 cores should also be good for general computing for a while

>> No.69033947

>>69033912
I don't give a fuck what you do with your money. If I had to choose which CPU to get I'd get AMD. That is all.

>> No.69033967

>>69033356
>Dual-Ball
I knew Nvidiots were also faggots

>>69033367
>I don't think blower gpus are ever a good choice
They are perfectly fine if they're so cheap that it offsets the cost of replacing the cooler.

>>69033808
nice job

>>69033912
Because some games need more than 6 threads to run consistently smooth. 8 threads is the minimum you should consider on anything but an ultra-budget PC.
Also, all the GPUs < $700 aren't bottlenecked by an R5 2600. So at the point that you're paying $800 or $1200 for a GPU, why the fuck wouldn't you at least spend $300 on a CPU with at least 8 threads? That's just mind-numbingly retarded.
Not to mention the fact that game benchmarks are done with NOTHING running in the background, which is completely unrealistic to the usual use case of having a bunch of shit running in the background like your browser, music streaming, messenger botnets, etc.

>> No.69033992

>>69033912
>Can someone explain exactly why the 9600k/8600k is a bad choice?
Absolutely
>It beats even the 2700x in single and quad core performance
Maybe in averages, but 0.1% minimums is where it's flawed.
https://youtu.be/F92byoMgptU?t=230
This might not worry someone who's building a budget gaming PC who might have bought the 8400 when it was good value, but for someone who might be building a high end system and wants high single threaded performance (presuming you're buying a 1080ti/2080 or higher to make use of that IPC), having even an overclocked 8600k/9600k max its threads makes for a pretty disappointing experience for the money spent.

>> No.69033994

>>69033912
Because Intel deviced hyperthreading from their i5s and i7s. You're essentially paying more for less nowadays.

>> No.69034007
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>>69033912
lol

>> No.69034046

>>69033850
imagine being a coping hertzlet

>> No.69034053

>>69033912
Because they don't have hyperthreading

>> No.69034085

Best PC Rig for Streaming for under 1k?

>> No.69034090

>>69034007
Jesus those 1% and 0.1% lows are fucking horrible

>> No.69034103

>>69033808
Stuffing it inside a cat is probably bad for airflow.

>>69033596
They're also more locked down though. You can crossflash a 1080ti for unlocked power and 1.2 V.

>> No.69034119

>>69033888
>>69034046
Reality hurts.

>> No.69034122

>>69033535
Get 2 1080 Tis

>> No.69034186

Do mATX boards tend to lack features compared to the ATX ones?

I feel like full-sized cases are a relic of the past now that HDDs are almost obsolete and M2 SSDs exist now, so I would like to make a mATX build.

>> No.69034322

>>69032052

You can get 4k 60hz IPS monitors for pretty good prices these days. Unless you're talking good price as in less than 200$

>> No.69034461

>>69034119
you just got a dose of it

>> No.69034469

>>69034461
You should get a degree in projection.

>> No.69034471

>>69034186
mainly PCIe slot count. But there's also the fact there's not amany mid-high end mATX motherboard options, they're mostly low end with a few exceptions. IMO mATX is perfection.

>> No.69034500

>>69034469
>"I know you are, you said you are, but what am I?"

>> No.69034518
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Any good full tower cases? All the ones with good reviews on PCPartPicker are a few years old and have usb 2 connectors and no 3.1 connectors (most have at least 1 usb 3.0 connector and you can filter for that on PCPartPicker.)

Is that even something I should care about though? I am going to be using this case for probably years and usb 2 is already old. Especially if it costs $50 more?

>> No.69034534

>>69034500
Translate that into English and get back to me.

>> No.69034542

>>69034119
Which reality, the one where 75Hz feels noticeably slow or the one where 60Hz feels like a literal slideshow?

>> No.69034556

>>69034518
Full tower is if you need 6 CD-ROM drives.
You can generally still fit 8 hard drives in a mid-tower, which is all the SATA ports most well-equipped mobos have.

>> No.69034574

>>69034556
I want multiple GPUs though. They will also need good airflow.

>> No.69034594

Can anyone recommend a good brand of HDD for archival purposes? It seems like every brand I thought was reputable has tons of shit reviews.

Are SSDs even an option in this case?

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>>69034594
Avoid Seagate and noname brands. Look up backblazes statistics like pic related, they have some writeups on this stuff.

I don't know how much use their drives get. If they are spinning up constantly it's different than if they are sitting on a shelf.

>> No.69034664

>>69034574
Ah.

I doubt you'll find need for USB 3.1. 3.0 is enough to saturate an external hard drive's speed, so unless you're doing shit where you're throwing external SSDs around, I don't see the use. (and you could probably get a hub if you needed it.)

>> No.69034706

>>69034654
Actually I didn't look at the new table before I posted it. Looks like all the seagate drives do better than average. I swear they used to have a reputation of being terrible.

>> No.69034727

>>69034518
all the newer fractal designs have a 3.1
Try the define r6 or the S2

>> No.69034744

Is there any reason not to use a z390 board on a 8700k?

>> No.69034745

>>69025456
>>69026765
>acer XZ271U
so is it good bang for buck for a 27' 1440p monitor? I'd prefer IPS though and don't care that much for 144Hz, but it's a plus. good build-in speakers are nice too, because I don't want to clutter my desk. I'm just starting my research and don't have any idea what I'm doing for now - I bought my current SyncMaster 226BW in 2007 (it just werks, but I want something bigger) and haven't followed the market since

>> No.69034769

>>69034542
I've used all 3, and 144hz is placebo that is unnoticable in gaming. I actually returned my 144hz 1080p monitor because it was such a waste of money.

>> No.69034777

>>69034654
>>69034706
This will likely be sitting on a shelf for many months at a time, which is why I shied away from an SSD, since apparently it's not good to keep them powered off for a long time.

And the user reviews on Seagate products reflect that reputation, though I've been tempted to buy one a few times since they were cheap.

>> No.69034815

>>69034777
SSDs aren't remotely economical in $/GB. Just get 2 hard drives and significantly decrease the odds of failure. I keep my backups on cheap used drives from ebay. And if one fails it's no big deal.

>> No.69034823

Windows 10:
My computer takes like a good 30 seconds to alt tab in and out of games. It looks like it kind of "restarts" the monitor as if the resolution is changing, but I'm certain the games are running at the monitor's native resolution.
I've tried everything I found on google - disabling fullscreen optimizations, disabling focus assist, and I also messed around with every combination of desktop scaling options in the nvidia control panel. It seems like the only fix to my problem is to turn off my second monitor, but obviously that's not ideal. Please help me fix this issue

>> No.69034836

https://www.amazon.com/Seasonic-SSR-850FX-Modular-Warranty-Compact/dp/B073H3ZZQZ
Is this PSU good enough to overclock a 1070 Ti??

>> No.69034847

>>69034836
You'll be fine. Seasonic Focus are the most solid PSUs you can get in a reasonable pricerange

>> No.69034898

>>69034847
Great, thanks anon

>> No.69034909

Why don't the good Asus motherboards have 4 PCIe slots?

>> No.69034951

>>69034909
whats the point when consumer sockets have so few PCIe lanes available?

Further, multi-GPU setups really only exist in the workstation class work-cases these days, machine learning, cryptocoin mining, etc.

Not really used in gaming.

So what would be the point in having 4 PCIe slots? And if you REALLY need that many PCIe devices, you should be using X299 2066, or X399 TR4. Both platforms on which Asus offer 4 PCIe slots on most of their boards.

>> No.69034952

>>69023436
Who the fuck took out the 1060 from this list? Why the fuck would I buy a 580 when they shit is massively overpriced here and I can get a 1060 6gb for the same price as an rx 570 4gb?

>> No.69034967

>>69034951
>Not really used in gaming

NVLink is legit tho

>> No.69034978

>>69034967
>8x speed for each 2080ti

>> No.69034989

>>69034952
>here
Middle Eastern and South American countries don't count.

>> No.69035030

>>69034951
Out of curiosity, what do coin miners use? What's the cheapest thing I could cram 4 or more 2070s into?

>> No.69035031

>>69034989
I live in Asia which has the most PC gamers in the world. No wonder AMD graphics is dying. They're not even satisfying the biggest markets.

>> No.69035063

>>69035030
something like the ASRock H110 Pro BTC+ or similar motherboards.

They offer a dozen + PCIe x1 slots that you can pop $5-10 PCIe x1 to x16 riser cables to attach the GPUs to.

Since mining doesn't require anywhere near the same bandwidth gaming does, having only x1 PCIe 2.0 bandwidth is perfectly fine.

>> No.69035101

>>69030988
Noob here, does 144hz really matter? wouldn't it be better to get a 1440p 60hz?

>> No.69035119

>>69035113
>>69035113
>>69035113

>> No.69035178

>>69035101
In general frame rate matters more than resolution. In A/B tests people prefer higher frame to more resolution. But you can't see frame rate in screenshots, so game makers have long ignored it over other things.

>> No.69035237

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6NgVTB

I'm upgrading my Mobo, RAM, and CPU after around 6 years.
I already own the Case, PSU, and GPU.

I'm a leaf and the price of the Mobo, RAM, and CPU is ~$500CDN not including any tax and shipping costs. Budget isn't going to be much higher than this.
Any thoughts on the choices?

>> No.69035688

>>69035101
>>69035178
144hz is a meme. I bought a 1080p 144hz monitor, and returned it because it's essentially a waste of money. Higher resolution makes everything look better that is a not a static asset, which is pretty much almost everything.

>> No.69035783
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Wish me luck guys

Ryzen 2400g
8gb (2x4) Team T-Force DDR4-3000
Asus B350M-A Prime
Crucial 275gb SSD
Corsair RM550x PSU

PSU is overkill, but cheapest hybrid fan speed I could get.

>> No.69036306

>>69035783
godspeed

>> No.69036341

>>69035783
I think you forgot to get a GPU.

>> No.69036355

>>69035783
>B350
I hope you have a bootkit

>> No.69036407

>>69023449
Looks good to me. RAM is a surprisingly good deal.
Case is good, but you might want to get an extra fan, just to be safe.
PSU is fine. It's more power than you need but the price is decent. Always better to have too much power than not enough.
I have that same keyboard. The thing weighs a fucking ton and it's gorgeous. Good choice.

>> No.69036491

Is there anything more bang for your buck with monitors with high refresh rate 1440p & G-sync? (at 27 or 28") Probably gonna pull the trigger on this one tomorrow.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0149QBOF0/

$429.99 at Micro Center and $449.95 on Amazon right now

>> No.69036584

>>69036355
Supposedly the ASUS mobos have the ability to flash the ROM from USB, I guess I'm about to find out.

>>69036341
In Japan the GPUs are more expensive than in the US, APU was about the same and I only casually game.

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