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What now, bros? 14nm+++++++++++++++++ will destroy Zen 2, r-right?

>> No.68170594

they're buying global foundries out.

>> No.68170599

Intel's 10nm is as fast as everyone else's 3nm.

>> No.68170649

/v/eddit get out

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PFOAHAHAHAHAHH what the fuck is intel even doing

>> No.68170698

Intel probably sell their fab, just like past AMD.

>> No.68170704

“The 10nm Cannon Lake parts aren’t real and never will be viable, financially or technically speaking.” -SemiAccurate May 29, 2018

“Told ya” – Authors Note, Today


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>> No.68170747

Remember how intlel shills were in denial? The fabs days are numbered.

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>no we are not kidding
cheeky cunts

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>> No.68170783

Is this a full article..?

>Note: The following is analysis for professional level subscribers only.
Is there more? Can anyone screendump it or repost it at pastebin et al.?

>> No.68170813


I suspect their not-entirely-technical upper management has fired everyone senior in process for failing too many times now and the remaining global talent/recruitment pool of such people is thin to non-existent. People are important.

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>**NEW** Bankruptcy doesn't matter!!!!

>> No.68170850

That subscription costs quite a bit of money, anon, and is mostly aimed at people with large financial investments in the industry.

>> No.68170858

>Intel buy some 7nm wafer node from TSMC instead
>release 7nm 5GHz processors a couple of weeks after AMD

AMDiscount drones BTFO

>> No.68170867

>one thousand dollars a year
Jesus Christ, you weren't kidding.

>> No.68170897

this shit isn´t magic, you dumb nigger
not all processes are equal and elements of the chip´s design needs to take the specific process into account

>> No.68170918

That would mean they go to 7nm

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>> No.68170928

give me a quick rundown on the engineering side of a processor archtitecture and why you apparently can't effortleslly port it to another node (10nm to 7nm)

>> No.68170934

Wouldn't 7nm allow higher clocks, especially for Intel?

>> No.68170935

I really would love to read the paywalled article

>> No.68170946

I can´t give you that rundown, so obviously it can be done effortlessly

>> No.68170961

They actually have to port processors to TSMC's 7nm in the first place to be able to do that, and if Intel can get 5GHz on that 7nm process then AMD can too.

Intel's ability to reach 5GHz has little to do with the architecture itself, and everything to do with their 14nm++ process being pretty good. Ryzen is process limited, not architecture limited.

>> No.68170962

So you tards will be happy if intel is gone?

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>hurr durr just copy paste the entire architecture
>hurr durr intel is superior everywhere

Inlels are this stupid.

>> No.68170989


watch this and try to defend intel. they can't bribe their way out of this one kek


>> No.68170996

Yes, but when you're investing millions of dollars, the knowledge becomes kind of worth the purchase.

>> No.68171014

they won't be gone, but they'll have to quickly re-focus on their core business and drop the dumb shit they've been fucking with for years
all things considered, it's a win for everyone involved

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Die Intel Die!

Sperm Solder is perfectly acceptable goyim, just don't OC.

14nm++++ forever.

>> No.68171021

Intel going fabless would be good for them though. Their failing fabs have been a millstone around their neck for years.

>> No.68171036

Use your welfare for something good you subhuman sc*t and stop ruin Sweden

>> No.68171046

Uff you spastic
Yes i am subscribed to adoredtv and propbly watch his videos than you do and yes intel is a piece of shit that should pay for what they have done and i waited for that moment since athlon however i don't want them to be gone nor them giving up their fabs and ip to some retarded chinks or whatever who can't do with it

>> No.68171092

>give me a quick rundown on the engineering side of a processor archtitecture and why you apparently can't effortleslly port it to another node (10nm to 7nm)
You're asking people without the technical expertise to explain exactly why. It is possible to know it's NOT possible based on what people with that expertise are saying, without knowing the exact reasons for it. You can't just copy-paste onto a new process.

I also do not have the technical expertise, but a cursory idea of it is that different processes have different transistor sizes and densities, have different problems with their lithography and often uses different materials (e.g. cobalt on interconnects). This requires significant design overhauls to work around issues with a given process, the process' power delivery, the impedance on contacts and various metal layers etc.

This requires at least a year of tape-outs, validation and testing, design fixes etc. before you have a final product. Experience on a process goes a long way to creating better processors and improving the process, which is why Intel's current 14nm++ is so good. If they suddenly jumped ship to TSMC's 7nm then they'll have to go through this entire porting process and they probably wouldn't be able to match the current frequencies they can hit (5.3GHz on decent cooling) until several iterations of the 7nm process.

AMD already did this for Zen 2. In fact, they did it twice, simultaneously porting to TSMC's and GloFo's competing 7nm processes. We all know now that GloFo dropped out of the race, but AMD has a TSMC 7nm design and several engineering samples of it.

>> No.68171115

I really hope so i want them to pay for everything they have done but i don't want a throwback of technology because intel still pushes it technology quiet a bit

>> No.68171205

What's with the walfare meme you mongos push ?

>> No.68171271

Who cares, where the fuck is zen2?

>> No.68171308

>**NEW** 10nm doesn't matter!

>> No.68171322

Nah, 14nm is still going to make them a bank with different shit they are producing. Modems, networking, chipsets and so on.

>> No.68171345

>Remember, STIM kills!
>It's what turned Superintendent Chalmers into a vegetable.

This kills the Intel monopoly.

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>> No.68171377

>and that's a good thing

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>> No.68171388

9th gen are already out of stock everywhere in scandinavia because each retailer only received 18 units and the 9700K was just a paper launch so no one has received it

top kek

>> No.68171390

To be honest, it makes sense to kill off 10nm. Intel wasn't going to be able to meet the schedule of their roadmap (again), and 10nm wouldn't be as powerful as 14nm++++ at the rate they were gimping the new process to improve yields. It's gonna be great watching AMD fuck them for the next 4-6 years at least.

>> No.68171392

>10nm dead
>Optane sold off
>14nm supply issues
>Pajeet CEO
>firing 30% of the company
Is this actually how intel goes bankrupt?

>> No.68171407

It's certainly looking that way.

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>> No.68171442

That's a big die.

>> No.68171468

>>firing 30% of the company

[Citation needed]

>> No.68171475

They can ride this out on their way to a new process node (assuming they don't fuck that one up too). Intel has a lot of contracts and profitable enterprise customers which aren't disappearing over night. Their gross margins will probably take huge hits to even stay in the conversation with AMD 7nm, though. It's less about bankruptcy at this point and more about just how hard AMD will be kneecapping them to take marketshare and eat profits.

>> No.68171478

>6 hour days and free soda.

Intel sounds pretty comfy desu.

>> No.68171494

fucking this fake news AMDogshitters

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>> No.68171562

is this fake or not article looks dodgy as fuck with all the desclamers and not being able to update it because some random chink is on holiday and needing a subscription.

>> No.68171570

SemiAccurate is probably the most trustworthy insider scoop website out there. They have been world first on many many things

>> No.68171578

>doesn't know SA
Spot the /v/tard.

>> No.68171589

>mfw AdoredTV's 47 minute video about this in 2 days

Gonna buy some Ferrero Rocher luxury chocolate for that video desu

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>this much damage control

>> No.68171722

AMD will take the high quality CPU spot

VIA and CISC ISA manufacturers will take amds old spot

Incel is done for

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>> No.68171759

>no no it's not true bros!!!1

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>> No.68171811

why are you niggers so fucking dumb?

>> No.68171827

Why are you so mad

>> No.68171955


because dumbfaggotry and niggers are two of my least favorite things, brainiac

>> No.68172044

Considering they have more money in cash stashes outseas than intel's market cap, it's quite possible. But why the fuck they would do that if they're getting away from intel?

>> No.68172212

It's less than the cost of a high end processor that you upgrade every year. It's the enthusiast tax.

>> No.68172306

>>Optane sold off
I do wonder if this was done to get a direct cash flow to work on the next node since 10nm was such a insane money sink.

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>he still cares about CPUs

>> No.68172367

>Optane sold off

>> No.68172374

***NEW*** CPUs don't matter!

>> No.68172380

Holy fucking kek they actually scraped it the absolute madmen. What the fuck are they going to do when Zen2 rapes them next year? EPYC is going to murder them.

>> No.68172394

>Intel's new i7s will be on TSMC

No more node advantage and if Intel could minmax the shit out of 14nm+++++++++++++ imagine what they can do with a 7nm/7nm+ wafer

>> No.68172409

I love that guy, just about the tech channel I can stomach.

>> No.68172410

>Wouldn't 7nm allow higher clocks, especially for Intel?
Intel's process is already optimized for high clocks(compared to AMD using process nodes mostly made for mobile, low-power chips), so I doubt TSMC's 7nm is all that much better in that regard.

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You're the nth Incel retard to loudly proclaim Intel can just toss their arch on a completely different process node and hit the same or higher clock speeds instantly.

>> No.68172429

>I have no idea what I'm talking about but I'll post it anyway

>> No.68172455
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Please intel bros tell me there is hope

>> No.68172469

Who the fuck cares? Both G4600 and 200GE are 14nm or something, and they're fucking BEASTS. They just have NO competitors.

>> No.68172488

14 nm = 7 nm x 2
What this means is Intel's 14 nm cpus actually have 4 times as many transistors as 7 nm chips. This is a clear disruptive advantage.

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All you had to do was to believe in her

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>> No.68172546

>AMDored TV talking shit about Intel

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>> No.68172581

Seething intelpooftas

>> No.68172582

it will take a year or two for intel to adopt their designs on another node

they'll have nothing to release when ryzen 3 shows up next year but if they went tsmc for 7nm+ or 5nm we should hear about it already

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young Su wasn't as THICC as current one

>> No.68172648

They probably would get EUV like the rest and do competitive chips while it's still possible.

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for you

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>> No.68172749


>packaging engineer


>> No.68172774

But glofo also cancelled their new node

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who here /zen2/?

>> No.68172794

>i7 10900k
>5.5Ghz, 10-cores
>has a $550 price tag because its okay when Nvidia and Apple does it

>> No.68172798

They had the technology, but it's not viable for them, it appears.

>> No.68172806

blued and cringepill

>> No.68172817

Delet this, I live in Malta and want Intel fucking shits to stay out

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bluepills for the blue team

>> No.68172851

> I live in Malta
> and want Intel fucking shits to stay out
AFAIK Malta has the largest percent of LGBT across the Europe. Intel can't be that bad.

>> No.68172854

Blue team for Shareblue

>> No.68172858

>it's real
What the fuck why? Intel needs those to survive. Is this some sort of 'throwing the cub off the cliff' thing where they're betting on pushing 7nm early at all costs?

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>> No.68172876
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>Multi-core doesn't matter!
>Productivity doesn't matter!
>Price/performance doesn't matter!
>Performance per watt doesn't matter!
>Power usage doesn't matter!
>Temperatures don't matter!
>Soldered dies don't matter!
>Stutters don't matter!
>Streaming doesn't matter!
>Data centers don't matter!
>Locked CPUs don't matter!
>OEMs don't matter!
>Hyperscalers don't matter!
>Upgradeability doesn't matter!
>Anti-competitive business practices don't matter!
>Locked platform features don't matter!
>Synthetic loads don't matter!
>PCI-e lanes don't matter!
>Burnt pins don't matter!
>Heat doesn't matter!
>1771w cooler doesn't matter!
>Server space doesn't matter!
>ECC support doesn't matter!
>Free RAID doesn't matter!
>NVMe RAID doesn't matter!
>StoreMI doesn't matter!
>IPC doesn't matter!
>7nm doesn't matter!
>StoreMI doesn't matter!
>HEDT doesn't matter!
>Stock coolers don't matter!
>Security doesn't matter!
>Games don't always matter!
>Enterprise doesn't matter!
>Hyperthreading doesn't matter!
>VMware doesn't matter!
>MySQL doesn't matter!
>Unix doesn't matter!
>Linux doesn't matter!
>Waffer yields don't matter!
>Benchmarks after full patches don't matter!
>Asian markets don't matter!
>Own fabrics don’t matter!
>Chipset lithography doesn't matter!
>Cray doesn't matter!
>Cisco doesn't matter!
>HPE doesn't matter!
>AZURE doesn't matter!
>5nm doesn't matter!
>*NEW* TDP doens't matter!
>*NEW* 10nm doesn't always matter!

>> No.68172882

It's the best thing they've done you mongoloid

They're going nowhere with 10nm

Just kill it before they bleed more shekels, for the short term just give TSMC their i7s until they figure out something for their own fabs

>> No.68172891

Sorry m8, I meant Malta, NY. Theres a Global plant here that I think does 12 or 14nm

>> No.68172897

This is unironically a good idea. If they negotiated this sooner the people working on the 7nm process would still be at glofo to develop it for intel.

It would have meant that AMD and Intel got their chips from the same vendor which would be awesome to compare.

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>> No.68172936

Is this really /g/?

>> No.68172974
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>200W tdp
>uranium fuel usage doesn't matter

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>> No.68173028

>implying Intel will work with AMD's former fab

TSMC makes low end parts for Intel, it wouldn't be long until their new i7s and i9s are also made by them.

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y-yeah intelbro intel's 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++ will destroy tsmc's 1nm

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>> No.68173120

>Inteldrones think they could just can 10nm and hop on 3rd party 7nm

Even if Intel shook hands with TSMC TODAY, it'd still take them at least 18 months to come up with a new architecture based on their node. And Intel has always worked with their own wafers, so they got zero experience in doing that unlike AMD. There won't be a smaller than 14nm chip coming from Intel until 2020/2021 at the very least, PERIOD.

And if they decide to close a deal with GlobalFoundries they might as well let every employee go and close doors, GF has never delivered anything but empty promises for the past decade, they're just a rich arab's front.

>> No.68173125

Hahaha eat shit and die.
Amd killed Intel in under 2 years absolutely orgasmic

>> No.68173142

But Intel has no die

>> No.68173147

>14++++ in the background
Nice touch.

>> No.68173172

Someone meme this shit RIGHT NOW
Where are some fresh memes ffs

>> No.68173195

>AMD Pajeet shook that Intel now has TSMC's 7nm too

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>> No.68173231

>tfw intel is sucking tsmc cock forever
One step closer to death.

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>> No.68173253

All those threads shitposting about Intel going bankrupt.
I didn't mean it, guys. It was just fun watching them panic at having a little competition.
But now, it really looks like it's over.

>> No.68173260

>intard is so assblasted he borders on schizophrenia
I think he's broken

>> No.68173261

killing off non-existent 10nm process ≠ bankruptcy

>> No.68173271

the poorly performing housefire 9th gen i7s already cost more than that in europe

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>> No.68173313

We'll see.
I don't see anything that would look like a plan B.
Maybe they plan to sell us 14nm++++ forever, who knows?

>> No.68173326

Now we will be stuck with excellent Zen CPUs for the next decade until riscv/arm kills x86 or whatever meme tech comes next
Lol Intel's gpu is dead in the water I'll bet raja poopoocurry killed another company using his poo power

>> No.68173333

>he thinks Intel is going to sit idly by with more 14nm++++ when AMD releases Ryzen 3 and new Epycs and Threadrippers

>> No.68173344

Well, it looks like it to me.
Not much else they can do in that time-frame.

>> No.68173356

Nobody wants 110 degree 200w+ 600 dollar 8 cores
I don't see gamers even touching this shit and Intel is limited in the hedt/server space to 28 core slow ass old crap
Have they ever made a CPU with more than 28 cores? As I said they are fucked I called this month's ago

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>> No.68173391

>ends 10nm anyway with next earnings report

>> No.68173395

>n-nooooo don't sell our stocks!!!!!!!!!!!

>> No.68173411

Kek this

>> No.68173412

so that pretty much confirms it as scrapped

>> No.68173414

So SemiAccurate is fake news?
You have to admit, that name is... well.

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>> No.68173417

They're hardly going to come right out and admit it. There'll never be any official confirmation that 10nm is dead. It'll just be quietly shuffled off to the side and Intel will keep referring to it as being alive, despite no products shipping on it.

>> No.68173437

I doubt that will ever happen.

Global Foundries stopped development of FinFET processes and doubled down on advanced SOI.

>> No.68173452

Imagine if he's actually wrong

He charged $1000 for his 'insider' info

The truth is somewhere in the middle, Intel has no plans on mass producing 10nm and will quietly kill it off on the side

Xeons are a main part of their business, if there are no new Xeons being churned out they'd be instantly bankrupt

Industry execs will be the first to know if Intel has finally ended their 10nm process and that would lead to a massive stock exodus

>> No.68173488

The truth is that they killed off the 10nm process they originally outlined. The have a different metal stack in the BEOL now, and it has a larger MMP and CPP than what they've publicly disclosed as their 10nm process. They have no intention of ever hitting those figures for area scaling.

Thats what Charlie said, and is probably 100% right. They developed an entirely different process and decided to also call it 10nm. So they could lie to investors. Again.

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>intel ringbus on 7nm

>> No.68173524

SemiAccurate has literally been semi-accurate for the past 2-3 years.

Intel has their earnings report on the 25th, we should know more by then unless management simply dodges all questions. Lets hope the analysts present don't let them get away with that.

>> No.68173543

Intel never lies on their earning reports, that would lead to countless lawsuits.

If they said to investors and shareholders that their 10nm is alive then it is alive, even if its a different process altogether.

>> No.68173579

Like 3 years ago Krzanich said in an investor call that they were only a quarter behind on 10nm development. Here we are going into 2019, when the process was supposed to be viable in 2015.
Intel lies to investors constantly. The SEC is never going to touch them.

>> No.68173607

They can get away with that thanks to the disclaimers they put in every piece of marketing communication detailing future technology and manufacturing process timelines.

>> No.68173639

jesus fucking christ

>> No.68173715

I want to believe

>> No.68173811

Maybe Intel deluded itself as well. Like there is no legitimate way why a company would intentionally bullshit their way in to running a dead process for 3 years.

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why are the guys on intels twitter wearing these protective suits while using their laptops

and why are they all using wired mouses

>> No.68173833

Why does it matter how many nanometers the processor is?

>> No.68173853

Smaller gates use less power, you can fit more transistors per mm2, you get more candidates per wafer.

>> No.68173861

Because that's how long your erection will be when you buy it

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So you getting laid off or going down with the ship?

>> No.68173931

So it's more like 12nm? 10nm--?

>> No.68173970

Thats probably an apt name for it, allegedly its not quite a half node now, but its not a full node shrink . Its a hacked together frankenode, and intel still has to contend with the fact that it won't clock as high as their mature 14nm+++++++++++ process.

>> No.68173993


Given the ONLY 10nm product Intel has ever released was a limited run (only a few hundred units iirc) of low clocked dual core chips with the igpu disabled and there hasn't even been an announcement of any other upcoming products on the node beyond vague "here be dragons" on roadmaps Intel's statement of improving yields can be true.

My bet is 10nm products will exist for their ultra low power segment to effectively use up the supply than can currently produce and then 10nm will truly be killed. SA normally is pretty accurate for these sorts of things but since Charlie both wants money for the juicy info and shits on Intel /g/ hates him by default.

Behead those who insult Intel!

>> No.68174021

what's it like living on a tiny overpopulated island?

>> No.68174042
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Are they abandoning all progress on silicon like GlobalFoundries, or are they still going to try and make progress but for an even smaller process instead?

Are they planning to use 14nm on chipsets and other secondary chips and ask TSMC/Samsung to make their Intel CPUs instead?

Intel stock hasn't moved much, either investors are clueless or they don't believe SemiAccurate.

>> No.68174083

Already corrected myself, I meant Malta, NY where a GloFo plant is built. As an Anerican I frequently forget the rest if the world is a thing.

>> No.68174119

10nm being an absolute shitfest bordering cancellation has been priced in for months now

>> No.68174121

Global Foundries didn't give up on process shrinks, or performance. They went another route.

Who knows what intel is going to do. I doubt they're going to be able to design a working 7nm Trigate process when they can't do it at 10nm. They're going to have to move to another gate topology, and its unlikely that it'll be lower in complexity than current Trigate. The future doesn't look good for them. Their best bet would probably be to just buy process IP from another fab.

>> No.68174238

>Charlie "Bulldozer will destroy Intel" Demerejian

>> No.68174255
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It's done

>> No.68174359

INB4 intel pays TSMC to use their 7nm process.

>> No.68174408

>"this time it will be on schedule"

Sorry Shintel, but you cried wolf too many times

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>"making good progress on 10nm"
>originally scheduled for 2015

>> No.68174440

>VideoCardz bashing SemiAccurate for false rumours

Oh wow, fuck videocardz they have produced so many fucking WCCFtech-tier bullshits these last couple of months

>> No.68174519

It would be cool if they could buy glofo 7nm tech that they'll never use

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>> No.68174694

>10nm doesn't matter

>> No.68174751

It's going to happen but not for the 7nm generation.

TSMC already has Apple, Nvidia and AMD on their slots.

7nm+ and 5nm I can see Intel sliding their mainstream processors in there.

>> No.68174812

Thats not going to happen, it would crash intel's stock.
The heart and soul of intel is their foundry business, and if they're incapable of being competitive to the point that the CPU business drops them as a foundry, then intel as a company will have its valuation cut in half over night. You invest in a company because you expect them to grow, produce returns, have dependable profitability year over year. Intel is a blue chip stock because of that. They start sourcing another foundry for their CPUs and that no longer applies to them.

They'll probably get to the point where they have to buy IP from someone else, but they'll have to run it in their own facility. The company couldn't survive otherwise.

>> No.68174903

Foundries are very expensive, suddenly billions in R&D expenses are gone from the balance sheet

Investors might be glad to have higher margins

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Believe in 10nm goy!
10nm in 2015- er... I mean 2016- wait... no... 2019... holiday season.

>> No.68174941

Intel only had the margins they had because the CPU business and foundry business operated separately. Intel's CPU business was officially a customer of the foundry, and the foundry was selling them chips at cost.
No other independent foundry is going to run wafers for intel for 0 profit. They won't be able to maintain their business model without their own fabs being dependable.

>> No.68174955

TSMC is already putting in all the work to go to 5nm for Apple, AMD, Nvidia among others (Qualcomm?). If Intel joins the TSMC ship, they all share costs together, it may be cheaper than Intel running its own fab and spending tens of billions on it.

>> No.68174963

Preddy sure thats Insider trading, can prolly make a good Buck suing them

>> No.68174981

Their foundry business is bleeding them money, no other company other than Intel builds processors in there.

They are a CPU-oriented business, they're not going to sit around for a new R&D node for the next 3-5 years while AMD eats the CPU market across all fronts.

Xeons are the core of their business and if they can't deliver newer models to compete with Epyc their stocks would crash harder compared to having someone else build their chips for the short term.

Fabs don't sell their IPs especially to competitors, you're either in the bandwagon or you're not.

>> No.68175117

It might be cheaper, but long terms it disadvantages them. They'd be buying wafers from TSMC, paying per working die, and they'd be gaining nothing long term themselves. Like every other foundry intel refines processes and uses them for commodity tier chips, specialized low power ICs, radiation hardened chips, etc. If they start buying wafers from TSMC then they stop working on their own lines. They stop working on their own lines and they'll be left holding their dick in their hands a few years from now. They won't ever see ROI for the fab they just built.
They'd be cutting of an entire branch of their business, and that is not what investors want to see.

Intel has a few customers other than themselves actually. You'd know that if you knew anything at all about them. And yes, you totally clueless under age child, Fabs do sell IP to others. STMicro has done a dozen deals with Global Foundries and Samsung for SOI IP. GloFo's 14nm node licensed straight from Samsung, their 12nm node is just the same 14LPP with a different transistor library, still Samsung IP.
Not everyone develops everything 100% internally, even intel has leveraged 3rd party firms before. This is standard practice industry wide.

Go back to /v/ with your low IQ ranting.

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>intel shrinks skylake into 7nm

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>> No.68175248


AMD needs to hurry the fuck up on Zen2 and Navi

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>> No.68175319

1H 2019

>> No.68175323

4 years now they are calling their 10nm bullshit and they have been spot on so far..
i doubt they are wrong this time either

>> No.68175369

Except only one of them actually uses an AMD rig, the others use them only for test benches and will never use AMD as their daily PC.

Also, only one of them goes out of their way to shill for AMD and shit on Intel.

>> No.68175401

I imagine what they cancelled is the original 10nm design. Luckily we'll have their 10nm-- half a decade and one downgrade from their original plans.

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Waste of money anyways. Good move, even more bullish on Intel now.
Huge investment for marginal gain.
Stop being a muh cores muh nm muh clock NPC and ask what really drives performance now?
Notice Intel and micron grappling hard for control of 3d crosspoint fab?
Intel and AMD combining to make a new GPU?
Put two and two together you fucking mon/g/s . Imagine a GPU with 32 gb of optane as global memory, how much would that accelerate the allocation and copying steps of processing?

>> No.68175521

2 of them actually and one that somehow changed his a day after adobe annc support for the intel igp
and not only that he also had a video ready with benchmarks
really makes you think

>> No.68176307

just rename their 14nm++++++ to 12nm.
the goyim wouldn't know.

>> No.68176675

year of the ARM desktop

>> No.68176944

it's definitely not you rard

>> No.68177510

Where's the last roadmap for Intel with the Refresh of Refresh?

>> No.68177564

>kills 10nm
>And thats a good thing
lmao, so much for those reports of being able to fix 10nm quickly

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>> No.68177639

Who the fuck even cares about desktop/laptop CPUs? Miners need GPUs, gamers need GPUs. The only group left is computer professionals, but they will buy whatever is in the Macbook and that is only for Apple to decide.

>> No.68177667

So it's now confirmed that Dmitry is the "Ryzen crashes Premiere" spammer?

>> No.68177670

Gamers need much better CPUs by 2020. The PS5 is almost certain to use a good CPU, unlike the potato in the PS4. It'll raise the base CPU power a lot in new games

>> No.68177707

>and shills think Intel "dying" is a good thing
If Intel dies then AMD will be the only desktop processor manufacturer
They will become greedy like Intel and possibly be broken up because there can't be monopolies

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>The PS5 is almost certain to use a good CPU
>might actually be Zen2 CPU + Navi GPU
my peepee feels funny

>> No.68177739

SO either intel is lying

or someone paid charlie money to say this so that it would sink intels stock to short cash?

>> No.68177768

Or his source just might be full of shit.

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>> No.68177774

>SO either intel is lying
Given intels history of lying I'm betting on option one.

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it will be exactly that. just look at subor z. possibilities are vast.

>> No.68177803

fucking hell that picture. never trust women.

>> No.68177843

They also get there stuff for free.
Who cares if an item is overpriced and a bad purchase but slightly faster if you get it for free?

>> No.68177872

>Darkie gets makeup to look more white


>> No.68177874

Honestly after decades of watching them fuck around and invent nothing but new ways to screw consumers and cheat benchmarks and act like the most scumfuck slime of the industry, it would be just desserts for me.

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I'm betting its 10nm ded and first to enter mass production will be 10nm+, possibly rebranded 7n/8nm so they get marketing parity. I'm still waiting to see if that road map leak from yesterday was real.

When is this thing coming out. I want to see who fabbed the chip, it'll be nice to see if it's tsmc and if the zen in it clocks.

>> No.68177907

>When is this thing coming out.
it is out. watch the digital foundry review.
it is fabbed in GF.
just watch it.

>> No.68177999

Not true, can't say for HardwareCucks but Linus and Jay bought the 7980XE for themselves.

>> No.68178062

>implying Intel will die
>when they are backed up by Israel and the US gubmint
(lol falling for doomposting AMD shills

History is just repeating itself. The 9th gen CPUs are basically P4 (not even close since P4 wasn't even competitive performance wise unlike the 9th gen which blows some Ryzen parts away) and Ryzen are the Athlons.

Eventually Ryzen will be annihilated by whatever new architecture Intel coughs up. Intel has OEMs, laptops and all the big F500 companies are basically still using their Xeons. Some of them will eventually jump ship but not all nor even most of them. They just don't have anything to compete against the new 7nm/7nm+ launch.

>> No.68178111

>They just don't have anything to compete against the new 7nm/7nm+ launch.
for fucking 2 years.
if AMD could gain 50% of the market in the mean time, good days are waiting for us. sunny, beautiful days.

>> No.68178281

The rest of the civilized world. America is 3rd world

>> No.68178367

If Intel truly killed their 10nm production they obviously are in backroom talks with TSMC to pay them for their 7nm design that Intel can mass produce or join up the queue. Maybe even Glofo with their 12nm+ design. Could be Samsung too but who knows, none of us are Intel execs.

The idea that they will be sitting around releasing nothing but 14nm++++++++ rehashes until they get a new process right is asinine, ill-informed and stupid.

>> No.68178394

Intel already said it was untrue.
Considering the investor implications if there was even a lick of truth to it, Intel would stay silent - since saying it's untrue (but it turns out to be true later) will net them a hefty lawsuit.

>> No.68178439

>believing ANYTHING intel says

>> No.68178470

This isn't some bullshit PR benchmark or other fluff advertising where they can lie.
Intel can't lie here without facing some serious lawsuits and fines by the SEC.

See: >>68178394
If any part of it was true, Intel would have shut their traps (since they aren't required to make a statement)

>> No.68178528

>Intel can't lie here without facing some serious lawsuits and fines by the SEC.
>IMPLYING Intel gives a shit about lawsuits and fines
The only thing that would scare Intel is some asteroid crashing on Israel.

>> No.68178618

If they're lying, and they probably are, it's with a new "10nm" that's considerably worse than the one originally planned.

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> Intel's 28-Core disaster had 3.3 times the power density of a nuclear reactor

Get with the times, grandpa.

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Intel will pull through, AMD is for indians. Intel will always have the best gaming processors and incredible multicore performance. Why do you need multiple cores anyway? Smaller does not mean better, AMD is bad for gaming.

>> No.68178689

Nobody needs more than dual cores :^|

>> No.68178728


> Oh vey, the Goyim know, shut it down!

>> No.68178744

we intentionally keep the power density of nuclear reactors low, though, so that's not really a measure of "OMG how hot".

stuff like xenon arc lamps can reach hundreds of kilowatts per cm2

>> No.68178765


Too bad with current ram prices it makes no sense to buy those great chips. Your budget is completely unbalanced I'd you go for even 2x4 gb sticks.

>> No.68178766

>since saying it's untrue (but it turns out to be true later) will net them a hefty lawsuit.
just like their 10nm release in 2015 right? right?

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Housefires are what's now.

>> No.68178830

> stuff like xenon arc lamps can reach hundreds of kilowatts per cm2

At the rate Intel is currently going, they could make Xeon arc lamps soon.

>> No.68178869

intel owns micron and as far as i know its just a different fab the only thing it proves to me is that
internel intel fabs are not trusted by the company.

>> No.68178897

Intel has never owned micron.

>> No.68178925

>intel owns micron
kek no

>> No.68178931

>Intel can't lie here without facing some serious lawsuits and fines by the SEC.

It's very easy to get around that by cutting work on 10nm by 99.999% but never officially killing it.
You can't prove Intel never intends to release 10nm even if they only have just one intern left working on it.

>> No.68178933

Intel does not own Micron.
The two held a joint venture, IM Flash Technologies, that was created specifically because they collaborated on 3D Xpoint aka Micron's internally developed phase change memory.
Micron made this announcement, that they were buying back intel's stake, because they're unhappy with what intel has delivered. Intel's passive aggressive response is sign that they're in a weak position. No one wants to deal with intel right now, and the company is struggling to save face. Krzanich the crook is gone. He pilfered millions and ran. They have nothing but a slew of fuckups trying to desperately hold it together and none of them are qualified.

>> No.68178941

Based Steve uses a 2950x. I would have upgraded to that if I wanted the most reasonable HEDT chip right now, but I'd rather wait next year for a 3950x.

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>Xeon arc lamps

>> No.68179011

I forgot about this common denominator.

>> No.68179016

there is also the part were intel has to justify to their own investors the b$ worth of investment on their own fabs and the now (apparently) cancelled process, all of which was made specifically so they wouldnt have to "share" their designs with chinks

>> No.68179021

then explain to me why Intel laptops/desktops and workstations for almost 30+ fucking years had almost 100% compatible
memory with every single intel motherboard.

its seems really fucking ironic eh?

and you think just because they worked on X point technology together this is some how different?


>> No.68179089

Nigger, go on wikipedia and read about Micron. Intel doesn't own them. They never have. Your retarded incoherent schizo babble has no bearing on reality.

>> No.68179112

>what is standardization

>> No.68179116

>uh ah

>> No.68179134

"parted ways"

yep what a load of marketing BS talk kek

>> No.68179137

>joint technology development ties
>reading comprehension

>> No.68179153

Learn to read, dipshit. Exactly as I said above. Intel and Micron were part of a joint venture, IM Flash Technologies. This company was created to work on 3D Xpoint and nothing else.
Surprise surprise, Micron was also the majority share holder of the company.

Intel has never owned Micron. Ever.

>> No.68179260

read your self.

owning via proxy is the same fucking idea
"IM Flash Technologies, LLC (IMFT) was formed by Intel and Micron 12 years ago as a joint venture for NAND flash manufacturing. IMFT started with 72nm planar NAND shortly before SSDs started going mainstream, and for most of its history the partnership has been one of just four major NAND flash manufacturers. The partnership has covered just the memory technology and manufacturing, with Intel and Micron separately developing SSDs based on the shared flash technology, or selling the memory on the open market."
you explained this

"Surprise surprise, Micron was also the majority share holder of the company."

so what?
people buy shares internally all the time.
its how they advoid taxes, are you stupid?

don't you know what a shell campany is?

"The upcoming split is not without precedent. In 2012, Intel sold its share of some IMFT fabs to Micron, leaving just the original Lehi, Utah facilities as co-owned. Since then, both Intel and Micron have each established more of their own manufacturing facilities, but the R&D has still been a joint effort centered around the Utah facilities. Intel declined to invest in the final 16nm planar NAND node,

this is expectly what a a "shell company" does
when it wants to move technogy
it goes and dumps it on its "shell company".

"What is a shell company and how is it formed?
A shell corporation is a corporation without active business operations or significant assets. These types of corporations are not all necessarily illegal, but they are sometimes used illegitimately, such as to disguise business ownership from law enforcement or the public."

>> No.68179274

Hey. Dumbshit. Were you even fucking alive during the first years of Intel's sandy bridge hedt? Because let me fucking tell you what a colossal masterfuck of a trainwreck the memory support was for that. Not to mention the disasterpiece that was their first gen ddr4 hedt compatibility, which was only really rectified last fucking year.

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>> No.68179305

Intel is finished once Apple stops putting their CPUs in laptops

>> No.68179337

Optane is slower than DDR3 let alone GDDR5.

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Imagine those stilettos on THICCC Su HNNNGGGG

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>> No.68179509

>more what aboutism from this shill

>talks about DDR4 4GB mircon 2400Mhz first for server

>hedt didn't enable ECC and fucked it up so bad that the bios has an inbuilt switch to stop a blue screen and ignore the error

yep its a butthurt.
to be fair though that was an AIB bios problem not the problem of the memory it self
nor was it a sandy brigde issue it was just gimping that didn't work and caused a system lock up.

Its a non-issue purely a code monkey not doing its job.

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7nm for 2030

>> No.68181200

Their tri-gate transistor design probably leaks too much below 14nm. They have to redesign their transistors to be able to use smaller nodes, they will have to come up with a totally new design instead of keeping the one they are using since forever. They even abandoned their tick tock philosophy.

>> No.68181230

Alreadly sampling, probably out at the end of the first quarter next year.

>> No.68181326

I'm with a 1600X and an RX480 that are serving me very very well but if the jump on performance of Zen2 are good and Navi being a 1080ti at 7nm I will buy it right away.

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I though intel had this in the bag..you told me ryzen was just fx in a new package, this cant be fuuucking happening

>> No.68181371

There is a massive difference between a project slipping deadlines to lying about whether a project is or is not cancelled.

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As if the tiny little pocket change amount they "could" lose much later in a lawsuit will come anywhere near the amount they WOULD lose if the truth got out.

>> No.68181444

A lawsuit would be much better than investors liquidating their papers in a rush making the stock prices plummet in hours and Intel needing to file bankruptcy.

>> No.68181456

This just means Intel is ready for 5nm, while AMD is struggling with legacy. Also, with more nanometers Intel is in fact delivering more value than AMD that is skimping on nanometer.

>> No.68181462

You seem to be confusing consumer lawsuits for investor lawsuits.

>> No.68181532

Can you cite precedence?

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>> No.68181730

>however i don't want them to be gone
I really, really, don't think you have to worry about that.

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>this bot is broken

>> No.68181743

Are you really this retarded

>> No.68181796

SpaceX rockets are fast too, but I still drive with my car instead.

>> No.68181841

>buying anything for himself, ever
In a recent vidya he called up nVidia because he wanted 6 Titan Vs, and got them directly without questions.

>> No.68183045

Porting their processors to TSMC's process would be like porting the entire Linux kernel to Rust. Doable, but an immense amount of effort that would render a lot of optimisations useless and would incur a noticeable performance penalty for the first few years of production.

>> No.68183146

>>Intel buy some 7nm wafer node from TSMC
This will literally never happen.

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>> No.68183728

They're doing 10nm for 7nm MAD shill

>> No.68183761

AMD releases its fiscal quarterly on the 24th. I hope you are buying in extra stock for the next bull run.

>> No.68183794

Hory shjeet!
Intel is finished!

>> No.68183868

>Multi-core doesn't matter!
>Productivity doesn't matter!
>Price/performance doesn't matter!
>Performance per watt doesn't matter!
>Power usage doesn't matter!
>Temperatures don't matter!
>Soldered dies don't matter!
>Stutters don't matter!
>Streaming doesn't matter!
>Data centers don't matter!
>Locked CPUs don't matter!
>OEMs don't matter!
>Hyperscalers don't matter!
>Upgradeability doesn't matter!
>Anti-competitive business practices don't matter!
>Locked platform features don't matter!
>Synthetic loads don't matter!
>PCI-e lanes don't matter!
>Burnt pins don't matter!
>Heat doesn't matter!
>1771w cooler doesn't matter!
>Server space doesn't matter!
>ECC support doesn't matter!
>Free RAID doesn't matter!
>NVMe RAID doesn't matter!
>StoreMI doesn't matter!
>IPC doesn't matter!
>7nm doesn't matter!
>StoreMI doesn't matter!
>HEDT doesn't matter!
>Stock coolers don't matter!
>Security doesn't matter!
>Games don't always matter!
>Enterprise doesn't matter!
>Hyperthreading doesn't matter!
>VMware doesn't matter!
>MySQL doesn't matter!
>Unix doesn't matter!
>Linux doesn't matter!
>Waffer yields don't matter!
>Benchmarks after full patches don't matter!
>Asian markets don't matter!
>Own fabrics don’t matter!
>Chipset lithography doesn't matter!
>Cray doesn't matter!
>Cisco doesn't matter!
>HPE doesn't matter!
>AZURE doesn't matter!
>5nm doesn't matter!
>*NEW* TDP doesn't matter!
>*NEW* 10nm doesn't always matter!
That typo was really bothering me.

>> No.68184042

>Update October 22, [email protected]:30pm: Intel has denied ending 10nm on Twitter. The full tweet is, “Media reports published today that Intel is ending work on the 10nm process are untrue. We are making good progress on 10nm. Yields are improving consistent with the timeline we shared during our last earnings report.” SemiAccurate stands by its reporting.
Who's in the wrong here?

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Nvidia is next.

>> No.68184421

They cannot very well admit it publically. Their stock would plummet.

>> No.68184495

just bribe the laws of physics my goy

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>> No.68185460


>Video of a guy who was innocent all along, but was harassed into commiting suicide

are you implying that intel is on track after all and that they're gonna die before they put out another process?

Dark, dude.

>> No.68185471

if intel dies then x86 should die too, the world will become a true paradise

>> No.68185540


amd uses x86 too, dude. It's not going anywhere anytime soon. I want it to go too, but it's not gonna happen for years.

Honestly I'd like intel to continue, but at the rate they are failing, I don't see them controlling the new processor market when zen2 drops.

Then again, we are implying that Zen2 will rock our socks off, meanwhile AMD has dropped the ball trying to compete with Nvidia as well... anything could happen.

I am putting together an 2700x/vega nano system tho, I hope it actually does well compared to my 7700k/1070 system.

>> No.68185543

Thing started going badly when they annunced (((diversity))) was one of their values.

Not trying to imply it was the cause but there is certainly a correlation.

>> No.68185579

Intel responded to rumors, they never do that since they're surrounded by a division of lawyers so in this scenario they're actually telling the truth.

If they kept silent and ignored the issue then there is some truth to it.

If they've truly killed their 10nm their stock would plummet and would be forced to lay down their next course of action for the immediate short and long-term future. Investors will ask what will they do next and how will they accomplish it. Will they pay off TSMC or Global Foundries to license-build their stuff? Will they send their processors to TSMC for the short term? Will they redo a new node and just churn out 14nm+++++++++++++ until they get it right?

>> No.68185681

Gotta be honest semiaccurate sure does seem to enjoy BTFO Intel

>> No.68185863
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What people don't realize is that intel's original 10nm is actually dead so it's not really wrong, now their "new" 10nm is inferior to TSMC in order to salvage their work

>> No.68185988

Optane is painfully slow, there are like two actually usable emerging memories coming, being eReRAM and NRAM.

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>> No.68187952

How are you supposed to pronounce that nicely? I just called it an i7 tendie-900-kay.

>> No.68188619

i7 109kkk

>> No.68188656

technically they have launched 10nm (shitty dual-core laptop with igp disabled and china only)

Intel has bribed computer manufacturers with billions of dollars to not make any AMD products, so I'm pretty sure they wouldn't mind lying to their shareholders.

>> No.68188856

Oops I dropped the full article :^)

>> No.68189029

Screenshot this before its taken down

>> No.68189051

waybackshill detected

>> No.68189220

Thanks man

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