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>Create a parts list
https://pcpartpicker.com/
>Learn how to build a PC
Search youtube for a guide for your socket

Want help?
>State the budget & CURRENCY for your build
>List your uses; eg Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose and graphics card pairing.
>Don't use Speccy. Use HWinfo, SIV, etc.
>For Win7 in Ryzen, refer to https://pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1

CPU
>i3 8100 - Bare minimum gaming
>R5 2400G/R5 2600/x- Consider IF on sale
>i5 8400 - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs
>Wait for i7 9900k and 9700k - Surely the best for gaming at any resolution
>i7 8700k - Currently best high-end gaming at any resolution/mixed usage on a non-HEDT platform
>Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT

RAM
>8GB - Enough for most gaming use
>16GB - Standard for heavy use
>32GB - If you have to ask, you don't need this
>CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2933MHz+ is ideal

Graphics cards
>RTX 2000 cards are top of the line GPU atm but wait untill the price comes down a little
>Avoid cheap MODELS ie MSI Armor (Mk2 is ok), Gigabyte G1/Wf, ASUS dual, and others which have small heatsinks and low quality fans
>Avoid Vega they are poor values and inferior to their Pascal counterpart in every way
1080p
>1060 6GB standard 1080p 60fps+ options
>1050 3Gb or RX560 4Gb for lower settings and/or older games
>GTX 1070Ti/1080 if seeking higher FPS /w a high hz monitor
1440p
>GTX 1070Ti/1080
>GTX 1080Ti if seeking higher FPS /w a high hz monitor
4K
>Upscale from 1620-1800p. Gtx 1080ti/2080. Maybe 2080Ti, but awful value.


Storage
>Backup before using StoreMi
>Consider getting a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & large HDD
>2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB
>M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard
>NVMe are not for gaming; See "More"

Display
>Consider 75hz minimum; 60hz are mostly old models.
>Always consider G-Sync with nVidia cards
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING

Previous POO thread
>>68062510
More
https://rentry.co/pcbg-more

>> No.68067346
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Reminder you have to be a retard to buy intel in 2018

>> No.68067358

Why are the CPUs people on this thread don't like portrayed as Indians? Seems random, aren't these chips made in Taiwan or something?

>> No.68067366

>>68067358
Indigenous Taiwanese are basically South Asian jungle pajeets

>> No.68067368

>>68067324
What kind of dumb ass needs to emulate PS3?

>> No.68067384

>>68067164
Oh, okay. I saw some stuff about the 850 evo and 960 evo but ignored it. The only amd platform the 860 evo seems to have troubles with from what I can find is am3+. I'm scared search engines are hiding results from me though.

>> No.68067395

>>68067366
Yeah, but they haven't been a majority since the Nationalists fled there.

>> No.68067408
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>>68067324
Based

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>>68067324
>Here it is again, the Blueshare sponsored thread
kill yourself already faggot

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>>68067346
>Having to edit a picture
Why should they make lower scores higher lmao.

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>>68067346
>>68067426

>> No.68067547

Are there any upcoming changes in the SSD field or am I set if I buy an 860 SATA?

>> No.68067552

>>68067065
You're fucking retarded, actually and unironically backing up the retardanon who thinks 4.3GHz is higher than the 4.35GHz stock clocks for single threaded tested like Cinebench 1T.

>> No.68067556

>>68067346
>>68067408
>>68067426
but where are the good games?

>> No.68067557

>>68067426
>editing benchmarks to shill for intel
how much are they paying you?

>> No.68067574

>>68067556
too right mate
only good upcoming games are serious sam and doom eternal, and those won't need top of the line specs to run.

>> No.68067579

Are M.2 drives really that better than regular SSDs?

>> No.68067585

>>68067574
I mean, I'm looking forward to Cyberpunk and playing KIngdom Come in 2k.

>> No.68067596

>>68067471
it's just intel shills doing overtime damage control since their cpus are doing poorly

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>>68067324

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>>68067426
>>68067408
OHNONONONONONO

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>>68067426

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>>68067426
>>68067408
BASED 10%

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>>68067426
>seething intensifies

>> No.68067663

Polaris refresh when??

>> No.68067672

>>68067324
>18-23fps
Kek, just buy a PS3 at this point.

>> No.68067702

>>68067346
Joke's on you I bought a Gemini Lake pentium J5005 nuc and it's fine for posting on basket weaving forums and energy efficient. Don't think AMD has any such products.

>> No.68067706

yall retards know amd and intel are working together right? they are using vega gpus now.
yall all being conned by one single monopoly

>> No.68067728

>>68067702
Athlon 200GE
50€ / 2c:4t / 35TDP / dual chan DDR4 / Vega 3 graphics

>> No.68067742

>>68067706
BUY VIA

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Bravo intel, you still suck even with 2080ti

>> No.68067817

Is it worth waiting for the rx680 or just buy a used 580?

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>DELID

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP2QW2QFrtM

>> No.68067903

>>68067817
get a 1070

>> No.68067911

RX580 or GTX1060 6gb? The former I can get for like 250, latter around 270.

>> No.68067926

>>68067911
Do you have a Gay-Sync screen?

>> No.68067937

>>68067911
For Windows go with 1060 for Linux go with 580.

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It was meant to be played 5 FPS faster but you need to delid first.

>> No.68067971

>>68067911
Go with RX580 unless you like stuttering https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1004600/geforce-drivers/all-games-stuttering-with-fps-drops-since-windows-10-creators-update/1/

>> No.68067979

>>68067851
I thought you didn't need to delid 9th gen cpus anymore

>> No.68067985

>>68067911
RX 580 is a little bit better, just go with whatever is cheaper.
The advantage of 580 is that you can use FreeSync.

>> No.68068006

>>68067851
who is gonna watch pajeet shill for intel for 24 minutes? no thanks.

>> No.68068032
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I want to buy this ram https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MYH48d/corsair-memory-cmk16gx4m2b3000c15

It is on my mobos qvl but it says samsung. Doesn't samsung make only b-die kits? I though this model would be hynix or something because it is cas 15?
Sorry I'm paranoid about such things I just want to make sure it's gonna 100% work

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68068038

I don't understand the motivations of an anon shilling for any company with the tenacity we only see contained in /pcbg/

I mean, literally why? If you're a paid shill then I understand you have to make them moneys, but if you're doing it for free of for any thing else other than getting paid then you should reevaluate your life or kill yourself.

>> No.68068076

Lmao ryzen is really just for poor people
>8700k gets over 30fps more then the 2700x, both oc
https://youtu.be/T6KcnRIcG8U

>> No.68068097

>>68067653
>Intel-led average of games
>>68067638
>AMD-led average of games

Who do i believe anymore. At this point im willing to get AMD or Intel. Guess i'll wait for 7nm ryzen and see how that pans out.

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>>68067851

Later in the year, Intel follows up with the 28-core Xeon W-3175X and overclocking support is intended for workstations and enthusiasts. In an interview with PC World, Intel's head of desktop computers and systems, Anand Srivatsa, says that the model does not come with fast-heat heat exchanger without using refrigerant paste.

The fact that the model continues to use refrigerant paste is motivated by the fact that no other processor for the LGA 3647 socket has a quick-release heat exchanger. The reason is that the Intel Xeon W-3175W is a product that will be sold in lower volumes and the company has therefore not provided a design specific to that model.

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>being this mad you can't afford 2950X
Stick to your 8 pozzed cores.

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uuuh

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>>68068128
Lol it's already obsolete

>> No.68068143

>>68068136
Intel is good because stutterfires are a good thing.

>> No.68068150

>>68067368
People who want to play DeS and RDR I suppose

>> No.68068157
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>>68068142
>SKYLEL-X 2.0 DOA GARBAGE
Intel has surrendered the premium desktop to AMD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQWp7Ppz0_o

>> No.68068169

>>68068142
>up to
>when you disable half the cores on Threadripper
Can't believe you're still posting this when it got BTFO.

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>>68067638
>lets overclock the ryzen and give it faster ram then put it against a stock 8400
>lol amd wins again
Not even an Intel drone but that's pretty pathetic

>> No.68068188

How do i check if my CPU is bottlenecking my GPU?
I have high frame rates but stutter a lot.
I have a i5-4670K and gtx 1070.
I'm aiming for 1080p 144hz.

After doing some researches, it seems that
higher resolution = GPU.
higher fps = CPU.
which made me think if i should upgrade my CPU.

And if i should, which one should i go for?
i5-9600K? or i7-9700K.
Budget is not an issue, but this is a new gen and hyper threading seems to be missing, so i'm curious if i needed the upgrade, or i should get these 2, and which one.

>> No.68068192

>>68068157
>posting old pics when you find out you get btfo now
Classic
>>68068169
C O P E

>> No.68068193

Can I assume 3200/CL14 is better than 3600/CL16?

>> No.68068199

>>68068188
get something like an msi afterburner to display load during games.
if your cpu cores are at 100%, you have a cpu bottleneck.
>>68068193
yes. heavy diminishing returns above 3200.

>> No.68068200

>>68068188
9600k oc'ed is the same as 9700k oc'ed
If you do anything else besides gaming and want the cores get 9700k, if youre only gaming 9600k

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>>68068097
The results seen here are not mutually exclusive. The 8700K wins at lower resolution, higher refreshrate gaming, while tying at higher resolutions, and losing in multi-tasking/productivity, security, price, and temperatures/noise. Ignoring the timer issues with the last few generations of Intel CPUs, the 8700K is the high-end choice for gamers who need higher framerates at all costs. The 2700X is the high-end choice for gamers who need fewer headaches and have better uses for their limited money (GPU upgrade).

Down from that you have a field dominated pretty much entirely by AMD's mid range, except in older titles or when you ignore the existence of background tasks.

If you don't care about Intel's security failings though, older Xeons both unlocked and not are typically the best value for money, as you can pair them with ultra cheap ECC memory.

>> No.68068231

>>68067324
>23 fps on a late 2016 console release from the previous gen
wow pc master race amirite gais.

>> No.68068259

>>68067662
There is no company that appreciates competition though

>> No.68068270

How's Inno3D as a brand.
I can buy an Inno3D 2080 for €799, MSI is €899.

>> No.68068273

>>68067556
They don't make those anymore

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How much of a performance boost can I expect from 3200/14 B-Die ram over some generic Corsair 3000/15 with a 2700X? Worth paying 50% extra over the cheaper ram?

>> No.68068298

>>68068032
>Doesn't samsung make only b-die kits?
No, just samsung doesn't mean it's B-die, not even close mate, you are about to jew yourself

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What is it about Intelfags that makes them attack you personally when you dare to research their competition? I mention I'm going to make an AMD build this time around and they start screeching, while at the same time singing the praises of Intel's latest $900 CPU offering and Nvidia's $2000 video card.

It's like all the retards in this thread; they have fallen for old memes and fake benchmarks and take that as the factual truth and base their world view around it. Low energy and possibly sad, if you ask me.

>> No.68068308

>>68067324
how can i report this fag ?

>> No.68068312

>>68067324
>R5 2600/x- Consider IF on sale
>continues to list shit that is only good for gaymen
what a shit thread, go back to >>>/v/

>> No.68068316

>>68067911
RX 580, or waiting for RX680/GTX2060.

>> No.68068319

>>68068308
I take it you have no problem with the AMD version if this shitpost OP?

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>>68067324
Ah jesus christ, mate. Why did you have to go on and do it?

>> No.68068321

>>68068292
here's a pro-tip
if you ram isn't 1.2v, it's shit
you can get "generic" 1.2v Corsair 3000/15 to 3200/14 with 1.35v easily

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>>68067324

>> No.68068330

>>68068032
Ignore the "b die", you often won't be able to figure that out because you're dumb. Focus on the true (nanosecond) latencies, the b-die will come as a result.
3000 CL15 = 10ns. 8 to 9ns is ideal.

>> No.68068331

>>68068038
>I mean, literally why? If you're a paid shill then I understand you have to make them moneys, but if you're doing it for free of for any thing else other than getting paid then you should reevaluate your life or kill yourself.
Literally because they think they are fighting a holy war against the jews, but shilling for another company.
It gives their life purpose and gives them that warm self righteous feeling.

>>68068259
AMD drones believe their special company wants competition and if intel was down on their luck they would literally give them money, you know for good sportsmanship.

>> No.68068335

>>68068136
how the fuck R5>R7 and i5>i7 ??

>> No.68068344

>>68068335
>current value
Read

>> No.68068354

>>68068335
Intel fired a shitton of their hardware staff to pay for feminist garbage. The only way to make that back is to gouge their loyalists before they realize how hard they're getting scammed.

>> No.68068356

>>68068188
if reducing your graphics settings doesn't improve your performance then it's the GPU, additionally if you look at GPU utlization, if it's sitting at 50% utlization then it's a CPU bottleneck.

Contrary to popular belief, high CPU utilization is not a bottleneck, it only means that it's being utilzied fully and pushing out as much as possible.
On the other hand if your GPU is sitting at 50% utilization while your CPU is at 100% utilization, that's a CPU bottleneck.
Always look at both of the components.

>> No.68068358

>>68068304
Whoops, meant to say my friends are the ones who start screeching. And I should add that literally none of them do any research into this, they just Google a games benchmarks and pick the highest number next to fps for their hardware. One of them has a literal Xeon in his gayman PC.

>> No.68068363

>>68068331
>AMD drones
guess how we know you're an intlel shill?

>> No.68068379

>>68068298
>>68068330
I just want to know if this kit will work at the advertised 3000 cl15

>> No.68068392
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>>68068319
>AMD version is a shitpost
You intelfags keep spouting this nonsense off like you dont even pay attention to the threads. If I ask any question about AMD hardware, I get several helpful (You)s from posters here who actually use the hardware, instead of masturbating to an ad for the latest Intel CPU they will never afford. The majority of /g/ has switched to ryzen and radeon for their builds and you seething Intel/Goyvidia fags think it must be a paid campaign to shill on an anonymous chinese cartoon board.

>> No.68068393

>>68068363
>a-anybody who thinks I'm a retard for being a companies drone is clearly the other companies drone
>there is literally no people who wouldn't want one companys dick in their ass
t.you

>> No.68068405

>>68068379
take the product code, go the brands website and see what the actual, offical claim is on the MHz and CL

>> No.68068409

>>68068379
It's on the QVL so yes, it will work as advertised.

>> No.68068411

>>68068379
if it's on the qvl then yes

>> No.68068415

>>68068392
You realize there is literally fake screenshots and shitposting done to damage control, right?

>> No.68068436

>>68068379
just don't get worried when you see it actually set on c16. ryzen will only work on c14/16/18/20 and it will round odd numbers up automatically.

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>>68068330
>8 to 9ns is ideal
>[email protected] DDR3
It's pretty good I guess. I got a friend to get [email protected] wit ha 3200 16CL kit, tweaked it a little, I'm still learning about RAM timings.

>> No.68068458

>>68068445
Out of these two even if it was cl16 it would be better due to cycles rate

>> No.68068465

>>68068392
>MAGA (literal jew ass kissers) dabbing on a jew
just what did they mean by this

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>>68068199
>>68068200
>>68068356
pic related is when i'm playing black ops 4.
This is setting textures and 3D model to highest and turning everything else to lowest/off (shadows, effects, etc)
I'm having 70~80+ fps btw.
But it's stuttering real bad.

From the graph, the GPU usage is 60+%, while CPU is always at around 100%.
I have no other apps running, besides of discord.
And i closed my chrome too, while i usually have it in background while playing games.

Which CPU should i look into?
i5-9600K? or i7-9700K.
for 1080p 144hz.

>> No.68068490

>>68068469
Don't be a poorfag and buy a 9900K, THE ultimate gaming chip.

>> No.68068493

>>68068458
left is DDR3 and right DDR4, so yeah, it will be better but comparable.

>> No.68068504

>>68068469
Dont bother,its the fact that nvidia slows your gpu down with updates and such.
Game runs much better on amd gpus than nvidia for instance.

>> No.68068505

>>68068469
Based on that graph I would say it's a CPU bottleneck.
As you can see your GPU isn't sitting in the top 80-100% while the CPU is.
Check other games and see if you have the same issues and same graphs. If so, you can confirm it's the CPU and you upgrade that. Lastly, small thing. If you have frames unlocked the CPU will always be as utilized as much as possible to push out frames. So capping FPS can and does reduce CPU bottleneck (other method is to increase the GPU load until it becomes the bottleneck before the CPU)

>> No.68068509

>>68067422
jesus christ imagine being autistic enough to make this pic

>> No.68068512

>>68068192
>C O P E ing with the fact that you have to disable half the cores of the competitor's CPU to compete

>>68068193
Do the math
2000/3200*14
vs
2000/3600*16
Lower is better.

>>68068200
Not true. There are many games, like Witcher 3, which bug out with only 6 threads and stutter.
Also 8600k, which is only 100mhz below the 9600k, gets all 6 threads maxed out 100% even on a 1070 in some games like Witcher 3, Asscreed Odyssey, and a bunch of other Ubisoft games among some others.

You really need 8 threads as a minimum in a bunch of games if you want a consistent 60fps+. Most of these newer games are only made to run at 30fps (if that) on an (albeit weaker and low clocked) 8 core/thread console CPU.
>>68068469
Again, don't buy a 6 thread CPU unless you want to get all 6 threads pegged to 100% on a fucking 1070. It's retarded. Unless you truly use your PC as a glorified console and install literally nothing else on it besides games, then you do need some CPU left over for background processes.

>>68068335
AMD has massively better multithreading due to having true SMT instead of patent-dodging knockoff HT. And they're cheaper.

>>68068415
I have a feeling the person faking pro-AMD results is the same person who posts Ryzen 1000 series vs Coffeelake results while ignoring that the 2000 series has existed for months and is cheap.
It follows the same pattern as the other anon who got banned when there were 100+ posts of manipulative shilling from either side and the shilling from both sides stopped for a day.
Seems to just have the goal to shit up /pcbg/ rather than to really shill for either side.

>>68068445
2133 CL9 tends to be the best you can reasonably hope for on DDR3. Which is slightly better than your current true latency.
That speed is notable generally better than what you can reasonably expect on DDR4, which is why a 4790k could often outperform a 6700k in gaming as games are typically the most memory latency sensitive applications.

>> No.68068520

>>68067324
Cant wait for AMDrones retaliate on creating the next thread

>> No.68068521

>>68067324
God damn whole 5 fps difference. I guess its well worth it paying $500 more for those 5fps. Its not like you could just buy ps3 and shitton of games for that.

>> No.68068523

>>68068509
imagine being this triggered.

>> No.68068527

>>68068521
9600k is cheaper than 2700x though

>> No.68068532

>>68068512
>4790k
I have a 4790, a bit overclocked (4GHz on all cores, 4.2 on single) but don't know if it's worth the pain to get one en eBay and then try to sell my current 4790 to get some money back.
>2133 CL9
I will try to get that.

>> No.68068533

>>68068512
>I have a feeling the person faking pro-AMD results is the same person who posts Ryzen 1000 series vs Coffeelake results while ignoring that the 2000 series has existed for months and is cheap.
>no such things as AMD shills or fanboys, it must be something else, anything else really.
uhhhh? Not saying it's impossible but if that's your approach to all the amd shilling then no wonder you don't find the fans cancerous.

>> No.68068538

>>68067324
>paying $500 to emulate a $60 console
well played fellas

>> No.68068551

>>68068188
>>68068469
Pretty hilarious that you bought one CPU without enough threads (4c/4t in 2013 4670k) and are now considering "upgrading" to another CPU without enough threads (6c/6t in 2018 9600k).
Intel brainlets just don't learn and just throw more money at more mistakes.

9600k will run Blops fine, yes. But you'll soon, if not immediately, encounter games that it's not enough for and it'll stutter as well.
And doesn't the 9600k actually cost the same or more as the 2700X? That's insane. The 2700X has like fucking double the multithreaded performance and is a lot more efficient and cool.

>> No.68068552

>>68068527
You're comparing the wrong chips.

>> No.68068555

>>68068527
It literally doesnt exist and considering 8400 is the same price as 2700 nowadays. I'd say its safe to assume 9600k will be about 200 more. We'll see, but ive never been wrong in my entire life.

>> No.68068557

>>68068533
>Not saying it's impossible but if that's your approach to all the amd shilling then no wonder you don't find the fans cancerous.
If that's your approach, it really says a lot by how you don't find the intel shilling just as cancerous if not more so.

>> No.68068559

>>68068551
are there games that use >4 threads now?
not trolling, genuinely curious because I don't really play games other than tekken and starcraft

>> No.68068562

>>68068505
I will try to get other graphs.
I still feel stutter if i limited it to 60 fps, although i never taken the graph for it.

>>68068512
>Again, don't buy a 6 thread CPU
So i should go for i7-9700K?
or should i just keep using my i5-4670K?

>> No.68068565

>>68068552
the ones comparing the wrong chips are the retards comparing 9900k to 2700x

>> No.68068566

>>68068220
TBF at my price point i was going for either a 8400 or a 2600 , and the higer ram speed requirement on the ryzens bring it up in price alot.

>> No.68068569
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68068569

WTF BROS! I though Hardware unboxed was our guy!?

>> No.68068572

>>68068565
But there is still no 2800X I sight tho.

>> No.68068575

>>68068569
now show the following chart

>> No.68068578

>>68068572
doesn't mean you need to compare two top of the line chips when an overclocked 8600k blows 2600/2700x out of the water in games

>> No.68068589

>>68068557
I find all shilling cancerous, AMD shilling is just more frequent.

>> No.68068599

>>68068578
By a whopping 5-9%.

>> No.68068600

>>68068575
I'll stick with my cherry picked results thank you very much.

>> No.68068601

>>68068569
theres some chart getting spread around where 8400 is below 80 fps while 2700x is getting 90fps now its 120fps

jesus christ

>> No.68068604

>>68068575
>*NEW* PERFORMANCE DOESN'T MATTER
-AMD

>> No.68068611

>>68068559
yes, but what you don't seem to understand is that a computer does more than one thing at a time, so more threads will prevent the game from losing fps.
>And i closed my chrome too, while i usually have it in background while playing games.
stuff like that will not be necessary if you have sufficient threads

>> No.68068612

>>68068566
It's not a requirement. It just allows you to get more bang for your buck, since it's more effective a performance increase than a CPU upgrade in most cases (from either manufacturer).
It's also not the speed it scales with, it's the overall latency (clock latency/ clock speed). 2400C11 would outperform 3000C16.

>> No.68068617

>>68068555
>ive never been wrong in my entire life
ok that's enough to discard your opinion

>> No.68068630

>>68068551
Aren't 9600K the newest i5?
and people keep telling me i5 is enough if you're just doing gaming on 1070.
i7 is overkill, etc.
That's why i'm here trying to learn more about it.

>> No.68068631
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>>68068600
>>68068601
>I'll stick with my cherry picked results thank you very much.
No no no no! 2600 beats the 8400!

>> No.68068633

>>68068630
see >>68068611

>> No.68068634

>>68068569
>shillware unboxed
Why does this retard show different results every video?

>> No.68068636

>>68068631
this is correct
>>68068569
this is cherry picking

>> No.68068643

>>68068631
DELID DIS!

>> No.68068646

>>68068634
This is low 1% and in medium settings.

>> No.68068647
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68068647

>>68068631
>>68068636
Btfo

>> No.68068649

>>68068634
Because one is "tehee I used 400$ premium parts on one CPU and I used cheapest on the intel one, see AMD wins guys"

>> No.68068655

>>68068612
Oh so latency is important too thanks

>> No.68068663

>>68068631
Dumb question but how well does the vanilla 2600 OC? Doesn't AMD bin the chips so the ones that get faster clocks are sold as 2600X?

>> No.68068666

>>68068646
so i5 8400 has better low 1% even though shills say it reaches 100% load in bf1? So amd btfo again? I see

>> No.68068679

>>68068666
> in medium settings
Mr. Satan.

>> No.68068680

>>68068647
The fact that you went through this much effort in order to be intentionally wrong is kind of impressive.

>> No.68068686

>>68068142
that
>no product can be absolutely secure
at the bottom

>> No.68068690

>>68068663
>vanilla 2600 OC?
OC depends on your other components a lot, the quality of your motherboard, powersupply, CPU cooler, case fans all effect it.
Other than that,
>>68068631
>>68068569
Benchmarks from the same guy you can see the 2600 and 2600 OC there.

>> No.68068691

>tfw still heating up my room with my overclocked FX-8320
>everything works fine

>> No.68068702

>>68068663
also refer to this >>68068647

>> No.68068705

>>68068559
Did you see the posts replied to?
Anon is getting massive stuttering with his 4 thread unlocked CPU.

The new Assassins Creed Odyssey drops to under 60fps on the 6 core/thread 8400 with all cores maxed out 100%.
4c/8t is the minimum needed to maintain 60fps minimum in every game. 6c/12 and 8c/8t are much more ideal.

And also, beyond that, most people tend to have anywhere from 5-25% CPU utilization just from Windows and other background processes running depending on usage and CPU.
On my i5-2500k I was getting about 20-27% usage in the background. With my much more powerful 1600X and the same or more running in the background it's typically at 7-12%. My i5-2500k was a fucking stutterfest even for basic ass games by like 2015.

>>68068562
You should buy a 2600X.
You could also try and find a cheap used 4790k that still works fine. 4790k is still a decent CPU and a lot better than the 4690k.

>>68068569
From what I've seen, the 2700X gets better FPS in BF1 multiplayer than that 121.
How does HWU only get 121 in the Benchmark which is light as fuck on CPU?

>> No.68068718

>>68068663
They should hit 4.2 with good enough cooling but probably with higher volts required than X

>> No.68068721

>>68068705
>cheap used 4790k
You can sometimes find a Xeon 1231v3 for like $100 and it's basically a 4790k without overclocking and iGPU

>> No.68068724

>>68068705
Look at the little letters. It says "low 1%".

>> No.68068735

>>68068705
8400 reaches 100% in origins too but still btfos even the 2700x
Once again you are lying

>> No.68068738
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68068738

>>68068509
Imagine disrespecting weaponized autism

>> No.68068742
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68068742

>>68068575
The uncomfortable truth that AMD drones don't like people to know. Is that before these aggressive price hikes that came form product shortages getting intel was literally the smart thing to do when it comes to performance in gaming.

>> No.68068744
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68068744

>>68068562
Alright, here's graph2 with Overwatch Ultra settings.
I'm still running at high 100+ fps with micro stuttering.
Black ops 4 stutter few times every second,
while overwatch stutter slightly, almost unnoticeable every few second.

So, can i 100% be sure that my CPU is bottlenecking me now?

since the new processor is coming out on 19th, i still have plenty of time to figure which one to get.
I just wanted one that can be future proof for the next 5 years, while still able to support one GPU upgrade and won't bottleneck it too hard, hopefully.

I feel like >>68068705 is just trying to shill me on AMD.
But i have zero knowledge on AMD CPU and MB, so i have no idea if it's actually shilling or just good advice.

can somebody help me out here?

>> No.68068745

>>68068738
>>>/mlp/

>> No.68068757

Thinking of making an HTPC for some gaming and mainly streaming 4k on a TV.
How does this look.
Have no access to a different motherboard. Ram is the cheapest for speed in my area.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mxyq7W

>> No.68068761
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68068761

>>68068742
fuck, I remember considering buying the 8400 at that time, but ryzen shills convinced me to wait for ryzen, later I found out you need b-die ram which makes it even more expensive
fug me

>> No.68068762

>>68068647
based and redpilled.

>> No.68068770

>>68068744
Didnt you say budget is not an issue?
9700k will probably beat zen2 and easily last you 10 years.

>> No.68068771

>>68068744
Do a last test, frame rate cap yourself to 60 fps in overwatch. and see if it still stutters and how your CPU graph is.

>> No.68068776

Please stop shilling anti-AMD charts, no matter how you shill i will only look at amd cherrypicked charts

>> No.68068780

>>68068776
Cringe and poopilled

>> No.68068782

>>68068744
>for the next 5 years
9700k is the only option when it comes to incel.

>> No.68068786

>>68067672
not like it runs much better on there either, it probably barely manages to keep 30

>> No.68068790

>>68068782
You mean 9900k

>> No.68068799

>>68068790
>buying incel for single core performance
>destroy that performance by getting hyperthreading
lol you must be retarded to ever buy incel with hyperthreading. If you need more cores then go amd.

>> No.68068806

>>68068744
Many CURRENT mainstream games can use up to 4 full cores themselves. HT/SMT helps but at the penalty of some performance. With some tasks (OS hw calls) being latency sensitive and performance critical, this leaves 1 core for background tasks before performance is impacted by core-sharing or worse, thread-queuing, on a 6-core processor. 6-cores are enough today for maximum performance, but not multitasking, and not a year from now, especially not 5 years from now. There are people right now telling you that you only need a core 2 instead of a Q6600 or an i7. They're telling you the Pentium 4 is good enough for games when the Athlon 64 X2 exists. Ignore them. 8 cores is the minimum even today if you don't want to watch your own process usage, and unless your money literally doesn't matter, get the 2700X. Nothing Intel has to offer right now is going to be even within the realm of reason for the next year, unless you're looking at used Xeons with cheap memory (very good value!).

>> No.68068807
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68068807

>>68068192
>intel surrendered
>lol cope

>> No.68068812

>>68068331
t. underage babby that never experienced when AMD dominated the market a decade ago

>> No.68068815

I'm looking at a AMD 580 right now. Is it going to be able to handle new Tomb Raider, ass creed, and Farcry 5 on highest settings?

>> No.68068818

>>68068304
intel shills are literally mentally ill, not memeing

>> No.68068826

>>68068761
Now install the security patches and update your NVidia drivers.

https://youtu.be/mFSLro_OXLQ

>> No.68068831

>>68068815
AMD is shit just buy NVIDIA RTX 2080 Ti

>> No.68068832

>>68068812
When AMD products were better than intel, I bought and used them. When they dropped the ball I got intel and eventually nvidia.
I have zero loyalty to a company, they are not my friend, who ever makes the better performing product at a lower price is the one I will get.

>> No.68068845

is eCLK with 2700x a meme?

>> No.68068847

>>68068831
(You)

>> No.68068850

>>68067556
And that's why I switched to toaster gaming.

>> No.68068851

>>68068231
>23 fps on a console that has a notoriously complicated system by emulating it on a completely different system in a mere 2 years after its end of life
Yeah mate truly pc master race

>> No.68068865

>>68067346
>nu battlefront 2

post benchmarks for good games retard. no one gives a fuck about shitty games like that.

>> No.68068878

so did someone hijacked the op?
there are some pretty terrible suggestions in that shit

>> No.68068890

>>68068878
Butthurt intel shill is triggered his parents won't buy him 9900k so he's shitposting anti-amd out of anger.

>> No.68068894

>>68068878
Only thing removed is vega gpu's

>> No.68068897

>>68068878
it's pure spite

>> No.68068904

Is ryzen 3 2200G a good deal if I just want a budget build that I can upgrade later and don't really give a shit about current AAA games or graphics in general? Also what would be a decent GPU upgrade later?

>> No.68068911

>>68068851
emulating a PS3 is only neat from a technical perspective IMO. It's great that it's progressing though because it's only a matter of time before 90% of the PS3s out there die from their CPU/GPUs taking a shit. It really was a shit console in retrospect, mine sits at like 70C just idling in the menus. no wonder their processors melt off the board, and it's been proven that reballing only delays the inevitable for a short time.

>> No.68068913

>>68068904
Buy pentium

>> No.68068914

>>68068894
RX570 and 580 which are best price/perf in the mid-range. The 2700(x) which is best mixed usage.
Also in Europe right now, it's simply not viable to get Intel.

>> No.68068922

>>68068904
yeah, it's pretty great as a temp cpu. get a decent b450 board

>> No.68068923

>>68068913
Don't listen to him. The Athlon 200GE is better, cheaper and consumes less

>> No.68068926

>>68068647
even with b-die ram and the unneccesary cooler the AMD build is significantly cheaper for me so I think you might want to update the picture?
Honestly I'm really just bored with the entire Ryzen 2000 and Intel Coffe Lake lineup, neither of them really stands out. Back when Ryzen came out it made most of Kaby Lake obsolete but now it's really down to pricing and your specific programs.

>> No.68068934

>>68068894
CPU suggestion also terrible here.

>>68068904
2200G is okay. But if you want to upgrade GPU later you might want to upgrade your CPU too.

>> No.68068937

>>68068926
>even with b-die ram and the unneccesary cooler the AMD build is significantly cheaper for me so I think you might want to update the picture?
Post your build or are you just living in an area where the prices at vastly different?

>but now it's really down to pricing and your specific programs.
Agreed

>> No.68068938

>>68068926
>update the picture because I live in Zimbabwe

>> No.68068943
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>>68068771
pic related.
locked 60fps.
GPU running at 30+%
CPU running at 40~60+%

>>68068806
i7-9700K is more expensive than 2700X though.

So, since i will be getting i7-9700K,
which motherboard should i get?
There's so many versions out there.
Ultra, Elite, -h,-i,-g, Gaming, Gaming X, Master, etc.
And there's 3 major brand, Gigabyte, ASUS & MSI.
I'm thinking of getting Gigabyte Gaming X because it's cheap and i don't need extra funky stuffs that i don't need.

>> No.68068948

>>68068943
>pic related.
>locked 60fps.
>GPU running at 30+%
>CPU running at 40~60+%
Okay and how did it feel, less stutters?

>> No.68068952

>>68068926
The pic is obvious horseshit and the guy is samefagging non-stop, ignore him.

>> No.68068954
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68068954

How can Incel even compete, i9 costs as much as older Threadrippers and it barely beats 2700X.

>> No.68068956

>>68068831
For $250?

>> No.68068957
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>>68068911
last gen was truly horrible hardware wise

>> No.68068960

>>68068956
Yes.

>> No.68068987
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68068987

>>68068894
>i'm only pretending!

>> No.68068990

just make two sections for CPUs in the OP, one for incels and the other one for amdrones
retards

>> No.68068996

>>68068911
Still have my 1st gen PS3, able to run PSX and PS2 games.
Only problem is the small storage.
Recently opened it and thoroughly cleaned it, doesn't make much noise and doesn't get too hot.
Truly one of the best consoles ever made, too bad it's so bulky.

>> No.68069002

>>68068943
>i7-9700K is more expensive
what's your point

>> No.68069004

>>68068990
But then we won't get paid

>> No.68069008

>>68068938
I don't live there but the point would still stand, I don't know why you act so hostile?

>>68068926
intel 557€, you could shave off another 20€ on the mobo easily:
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/wfsnw6

AMD 470€ (note: that exact 3600mhz ram isn't available in pcpp right now) and you could shave off another30-40€ by choosing 3200mhz ram and a cheaper mobo
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/7cZzWD

>> No.68069015

>>68069008
for you >>68068937

>> No.68069022
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>>68068990
>he is seriously recommending amd cpu

>> No.68069025
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68069025

>spend over 1k on a pc
>to play battletranny 5 and hurt homofeelings 2: fuck gameplay

>> No.68069034

>>68068865
>post benchmarks for poorly optimized games

>> No.68069043

>>68068948
I would say there's no stuttering anymore,
but there's something weird about the frame rate, whenever i move my camera, it looks laggy.
Probably because i'm used to the 100+ frame rate.
Because when i set it to be 140 cap again, though there's micro stuttering every few seconds, it actually look smoother when moving the camera.

>> No.68069045

>>68069008
No one said you should buy intel in EU. But yet again ryzen is shit too. You're pretty much fucked if you want to build now and live in EU

>> No.68069052
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68069052

>>68069015
>>68069008
Okay first explain why did you gave an overpriced motherboard to the intel CPU? It's locked literally the cheapest B360 will give everything it needs because there will be no overclocking.
There is lots of choices, yet you pick a far more expensive one.

>> No.68069067

>>68069043
Try disabling v-sync.

>> No.68069100

>>68069008
>>68069015
Second the memory used by the AMD there is
>Product code:F4-3600C18D-16GTZRX
>3600MHz CL18-22-22-42
So 0.01 latency, compare that to a normal B-die which is 3200Mhz CL14 and has a 0.00875 latency.

You realize the performance difference is there right?

>> No.68069105

>>68069067
It's the same.
I don't think it's v-sync issue because the screen look perfectly fine and smooth if my camera is still.
But look slightly weird/lag/jaggy if i'm moving my camera, which the issue is not seen if i'm at 100+fps, with/without v-sync

>> No.68069112
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>>68069052

>> No.68069121

>>68069008
Why only AMD is with aftermarket cooler?

>> No.68069129
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>>68068735
According to you, the 8600k is worse than the 8400, since the 2700X gets higher 0.1% minimums than the 8600k.
Amazing how same architecture and same core/thread count gives you more FPS at lower clockspeeds. Or, once again, you're just lying and retarded.

And no, Odyssey is even more demanding on the CPU than origins. Digital Foundry tested it and the 8400 dropped under 60fps repeatedly.
>inb4 shill pretends the 1700X is the same as the 2700X again and says the 1700X dips under 60fps in Odyssey as well, even though the 2700X doesn't

>>68068826
KEK. As predicted. Nvidiots BTFO like always. They never learn.
Based sour milkx.

>>68068894
>shilling $150 i3-8100 when you can get a 2600 for $10 more
You're a moron if you defend this.

>>68068904
4 threads will bottleneck more than a 1050Ti or so. Get a 2400G if you want more upgradability, unless you plan to upgrade the CPU when you add a substantial GPU in the future.

>> No.68069138
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>>68069015
>>68069008
Third, the motherboard difference for AMD is dramatic.
One is a 4 phase with mediocre mosfets.
The other is a 10 phase using a doubler with top of the line mosfets.
If you expect the same kind of power delivery to the CPU with the same kind of voltage ripple you are out of your mind.

>> No.68069140

>>68069025
What's hurt homofeelings 2?

>> No.68069147

>>68068742
The uncomfortable truth that Intel shills don't like people to know is that data from 3 months is irrelevant in October and until the end of 2018. These threads are for people who are building their PCs as they are posting and need to know what is or isn't smart to buy at that time. People like >>68068761 either don't do enough research, or they are waiting for benchmarks of an as of yet unreleased component or series. Why you wouldn't wait on the eve of a new release is beyond me. Shortages can't be predicted by a normal person.

>> No.68069162
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do not trust this woman she tells lies.

>> No.68069165

Lads what's a good AM4 micro ATX board? I'm assuming I want the B450 chipset since x470 isnt available for mATX

>> No.68069167
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68069167

JUST BUY IT!!!!! 4 THREADS IS ALL YOU NEED EVER.
STUTTERS ARE YOUR IMAGINATION.
100% CPU UTILIZATION ALWAYS IS IDEAL IT MEANS YOU ARE GETTING ALL YOU CAN OUT OF IT. UNUSED CPU IS A WASTE.
50 FPS IS ENOUGH.
ONLY POO AMD SHILLS RECOMMEND GOOD PERFORMANCE FOR A GOOD PRICE.

>> No.68069169
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68069169

Recently checked the RMA status of my EVGA 1070 SC and judging by the replacement product code, they're sending me back a 1070 SC2. Should I be worried?
There's basically no significant difference between the SC and the SC2, apart from the SC2's uglier backplate (pic related).

>> No.68069173

>>68069112
What's your point? Exactly, that AMD has also cheap motherboards? Yes.
But you forget, you actually want to OC your AMD CPU to get better performance than the 8400 LOCKED CPU.
So they have very different requirements. To the point where the cheapest B360 board will satisfy the 8400.
You can't say the same for the ryzen cpus that you are trying to overclock.

>> No.68069185

Is there anyone here who isn't poor?

>> No.68069197

>>68069185
Everyone here including (you) is poor

>> No.68069198
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>>68069169
And here is the beautiful backplate of the original SC.

>> No.68069201

>>68069043
>I would say there's no stuttering anymore,
Then I would be relatively confident that you found your bottleneck. You are CPU bound, and you either need to cap your FPS or get a new CPU.
I suggest anything that has at least 6 cores and 6 thread being the minimum today. Beyond that it's mostly about how much performance you want and how much you are willing to pay.

> though there's micro stuttering every few seconds,
That's the cpu being fully utlized by the game then needing to divert small amount of resources to some other shit, so the performance drops for a frame or two as it attempts to multi task.

>> No.68069206
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68069206

>>68069173
This. Ryzen need 36 phases with doubler to make it works, also with liquid nitrogen cooler too.

>> No.68069217

>>68068904
2200G has no staying power because of 4 threads. It's good for old games or esports titles but you will need to upgrade pretty soon. 2400G alleviates this but at that price point, you would be way better off with a 2600. You do the math on what is better in the long term depending on your needs
>2200G now, GPU and CPU later
>2600 and a GPU now

>> No.68069221

>>68069138
With that stock cooler the 8400 won't even be able to maintain turbo. With the better memory and unnecessary cooler, it wouldn't even matter whether the 2600 hit 4 or 4.2. It's immaterial at that point.

>> No.68069228

>>68069129
>stock 8600k gets 1 fps less 0.1% minimum than a double priced 2700x 4.2ghz
>this is bad
What a retard

>> No.68069229

>>68069147
>The uncomfortable truth that Intel shills don't like people to know is that data from 3 months
It says "in july" both on the file name and on the picture. Are you dumb?

>> No.68069230

>>68069165
mATX Mortar.
mATX Bazooka if you're extra poor and don't need the extras that the Mortar has. It'll still run a 2700X fine, but it has less fan headers, less good audio, and a few other small things.

>>68069185
I'm around top 7th percentile networth for my age, at least.

>>68069169
I thought SC2 is one of the more sought after models...?

>>68069206
Nice bait. Surprised you didn't photoshop a Ryzen logo onto the intel chiller.

>> No.68069232

>>68069169
>2 pieces back plate
All of my why. If only it's a single plate I'd say it look better than the old one.

>> No.68069238

>>68069167
I think not even people who like intel would recommend the 8100 to somebody.

>> No.68069241

>>68069201
I'm looking at both i5-960K & i7-9700K.
But since people here argue that 6c6t is too low for the next few years,
guess i will shell out that extra shekels and get the i7-9700K.

I'm just thinking of which motherboard to get now. as of >>68068943

>> No.68069245

>>68069238
But OP does.

>> No.68069246

>>68068150
You can get an actual PS3 for 50€ and jailbreak it to get much better experience.

>> No.68069253

>>68069228
You're still insisting the i5-8400 out performs the i5-8600k. Fucking amazing.

>> No.68069259

>>68069229
I meant to say "from 3 months ago" but even then I think it was pretty clear what I said. Yes, people who bought an 8400 in July are better off in the same way that people buying an 8400 today are retards, while people still recommending it are shills.

>> No.68069274

>>68069206
Yes of course person who has no idea about electonics and how power delivery works just claim you need either 1 phase or 32 phases and you can proclaim to be a know it all.

>>68069221
Yes the results here >>68068647 >>68068631 were done with exactly that, a stock cooler, that is the performance you get with a stock cooler.
You can say WAH the performance would be better if it has a better cooler, but you can't say the performance would be worse, because it was LITERALLY tested with a intel stock cooler.
How do you keep returning to this argument all the time, this theoretical "it would and wouldn't happen" when you have a test that shows you what literally happened.

>> No.68069279

>>68068812
>When amd dominated the market a decade ago

>At Intel
>Sir it appears AMD has obtained 40% market share by selling good products, what should we do?
>We should rig the compiler so that things suchc as benchmarksperforms noticibly worse on non "genuine intel" chips and then threaten oems that that use AMD chips with shortages if they don't bend to our will and drop AMD

Yeah, AMD was really smothering the competition.

>> No.68069283

>>68069241
>I'm just thinking of which motherboard to get now
Depends, do you plan to OC or not.

>>68069245
pretty sure OP is a troll. again even people who like intel for gaming, would not recommend 8100.

>> No.68069286

>>68069165
MSI B450M

>>68069173
8400 has half the threads and can't hold 4GHz.
The 2600 just has to show up.

>> No.68069294

>>68068331
>they are fighting a holy war against the jews, but shilling for another company.
>It gives their life purpose and gives them that warm self righteous feeling.
That sounds amazing. This made me become an AMD shill.

>>68069283
>pretty sure OP is a troll.
Clearly.

>> No.68069305

>>68067749
>overclocked ryzen vs locked i5
this is getting really pathetic

>> No.68069308

>>68069253
Stock? Sure. Oc'ed, no. But it does outperform the 2700x even though it utilizes 100% cpu in that game

>> No.68069320

>>68069286
>8400 has half the threads and can't hold 4GHz.
>The 2600 just has to show up.
Except the very picture we are debating about shows otherwise?
Look here again, >>68068631 The intel result there is with the cheap motherboard, lower Mhz RAM, a stock cooler and thats the results it produced.
And you can also see what kind of performance the 2600 brought stock.
For a more indept explanation go here >>68068647

Also here is a copy pasta
https://youtu.be/AUyF--fJaaM?t=69
Watch it.
>ASus crosshair 7 hero
>4.2 overclock using aggressively turned G.skill sniper X 3400Mhz with tightened sub-timings
>and the cooler has been upgrade to the Corsair H115i Pro

THAT is what was used to get the performance benchmarks you keep posting each time without context. Not only are yo downplaying the components used, but also their price.

Again if all of this escaped you, here is the man who made the benchmark, saying it CLEAR as cryztal

https://youtu.be/AUyF--fJaaM?t=1442
>Given that the intel CPU was over all faster this makes it better value choice for gamers.
>At the very least the OC Ryzen build will require an upgraded cooler, but for the results shown here you will need a high quality motherboard and some premium Samsung B-die.

>>68069294
>Clearly.
Generally speaking, anybody who recommends products from only one company is a shill. Based on price and the needs of the person you can go either way, it's never a static, intel da best always, or amd the best always. I just can't take an op seriously that recommends only one brand for literally all use cases.

>> No.68069334

>live in Russia
>check prices in a cheapest online store
>Intel 8400 - 310$
>Ryzen 2600 - 200$
2666 and 3200 RAM cost mostly the same.
Hmm really hard to choose!

>> No.68069338

>>68069320
>unironically linking the samefag's retard macro
I'm starting to get why everyone calls each other shills here

>> No.68069347

>>68069338
Have you read it even once?

>> No.68069352

>>68069283
>Depends, do you plan to OC or not.
Never tried OC, never do knows how.
Don't think i will be OCing my CPU in near future either, since i will be using 1070 for the next few years.

>> No.68069357

>>68069305
Yeah. It's pathetic that a locked i5 costs $40 more than the unlocked CPU with SMT. I agree. That's what you meant, right?

>>68069308
Wow. You're unironically saying that the stock i5-8400 with its 2.8Ghz base and 4.0Ghz turbo outperforms the higher TDP i5-8600k with its 3.6Ghz base and *4.3Ghz* turbo.
You are either the most retarded person in this thread, which is saying a lot as it's been full of retards lately, or you're trolling.

>>68069320
The other OP does recommend the 8400 as long as price isn't retarded, though. Says buy it if on sale. That's unbiased. Only a shill would recommend it at these insane prices.

>> No.68069360

>>68069334
>Intel 8400 - 310$
>Ryzen 2600 - 200$
If the choice is based only on CPU then clearly the 2600 is better there.
>2666 and 3200 RAM cost mostly the same.
Did you look at the timings?

>> No.68069366

>>68069347
Holy shit you're the retard who made it aren't you. Jesus christ, neck yourself.

>> No.68069370

>>68069320
No matter how many times you explain it to them they will say the same shit. They are just baiting at this point just stop

>> No.68069393

>>68069357
>The other OP does recommend the 8400 as long as price isn't retarded, though. Says buy it if on sale. That's unbiased. Only a shill would recommend it at these insane prices.
Only a shill would also show benchmarks of 2600 vs 8400 and not mention what hardware was used to achieve those results.
There is many variables to the thing, price of either components, components people already own and so on, it's a long list of things to consider.
I just hate it when people conceal information to make something look better or worse.
You wont see me going "i-ignore the price of the 8400 as it is right now"

>> No.68069401

>>68069320
>If you hook up a $650 1770W chiller to a i5-8400 to cool it, that means the results you record can ONLY be achieved with the same $650 chiller.
This is the retardation that you keep repeating for fucking weeks now.

The results that HWU got can be repeated with a $35 air cooler and a $75 motherboard, you fucking moron.

>>68069370
He's the one baiting and trolling with his repeated strawman.

>> No.68069418

>>68069366
Not an argument

>>68069370
I am not doing this to convince shills and trolls. I am doing this to inform people who actually want advice on what to buy. I don't even care which one they buy, I just want them to be aware of the variables and make a more informed decision. I just want people to get the best performance they can get for the best price they can get and with marketing, shilling and all other things telling them "buy this, don't think just buy and go" you really have to point out that there is more shit to consider and they should always look at sources, and have many of them.

>> No.68069434

>>68069401
>>If you hook up a $650 1770W chiller to a i5-8400 to cool it, that means the results you record can ONLY be achieved with the same $650 chiller.
If the 8400 was unlocked, you in theory could ram up the voltage and clocks far higher than normal CPUs. It indeed would produce better results that only work with said hardware.
Think of liquid nitrogen cooled results for example.

>> No.68069441

>Wow. You're unironically saying that the stock i5-8400 with its 2.8Ghz base and 4.0Ghz turbo outperforms the higher TDP i5-8600k with its 3.6Ghz base and *4.3Ghz* turbo.
The same reason 8700k gets just 4 fps more than a 8600k. 8400 will be behind the 8600k for 3-4 fps which is irrelevant, will still beat or be the same with the double priced 4.2 2700x. You must be baiting hard or have nigger tier IQ
The whole point you started this was that 6c/6t will be a stutterfest on ac origins since it hits 100% usage. Now you are moving the goal post and you are still wrong

>> No.68069471

>>68069230
Isnt that a B350 board? I'm not against the idea but if I buy a 2nd gen zen processor wont it have issues setting up the BIOS?

>>68069286
Right now I have the B450M Pro M-2 in my parts list if that's the one you mean.

>> No.68069474

Someone redpill me on g-sync/freesync.

>> No.68069486

>>68069393
>Only a shill would also show benchmarks of 2600 vs 8400 and not mention what hardware was used to achieve those results.
I'm not even that guy but holy shit the whole rig is right there in the pic and you're given all the information you need to make up your mind. If they didn't have 4.2 GHz in the parentheses then yeah those would be misleading. But you are given the full context and whoever created it assumed that the reader would sport enough brain power to make conclusions and extrapolate those conclusions to their use case and circumstances, like where they live and how much other components cost for intel vs amd at any given time. That specific benchmark was done to show that a 2600 will beat 8400 if OC'd. That's it. You are throwing a shit fit over objective reality of that test environment represented by some numbers and bars. There is no information concealed. None. Just because your biases cloud every bit of information you read doesn't mean that everyone else making benchmarks has an agenda. You are literally projecting your own insecurities into a fucking CPU test.

>> No.68069489 [DELETED] 

>>68069434
You're missing the fucking point, that 4.2GHz on a 2600 is some mythical result that can only be achieved with a shitty AIO.
4.2GHz on a 2600 is a *~typical~* result with a $35 air cooler. Just like the i5-8400 on stock clocks is a typical result whether it's with the stock cooler with some decent case airflow, or if it's with a $650 chiller. Makes no fucking difference just like it makes no fucking difference if you use a $100+ AIO or a $35 air cooler on a 4.2GHz 2600.

That's literally what a strawman is.
>A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent
Because this guy can't refute that you can run a 2600 with a $35 air cooler, $75 motherboard, and $30 more expensive RAM, he argues you need a $100+ cooler, $200+ motherboard, and $100+ more expensive RAM which all PERFORM THE EXACT SAME and simply cost more.
That's this retard's strawman "argument" that he's been spamming for WEEKS.

He's been repeatedly BTFO, yet keeps spamming it.
It's been pointed out to him DOZENS OF TIMES that that G.Skill sniper kit is the exact same dies as a much cheaper kit, and you're paying $70 extra for a different XMP profile which you can enter in manually. He doesn't give a shit because he only wants to present a manipulative strawman argument.
He is actually a dumber cunt than the OP.

>>68069471
B450M

>> No.68069502

>>68069434
You're missing the fucking point, that 4.2GHz on a 2600 is not some mythical result that can only be achieved with a shitty AIO.
4.2GHz on a 2600 is a *~typical~* result with a $35 air cooler. Just like the i5-8400 on stock clocks is a typical result whether it's with the stock cooler with some decent case airflow, or if it's with a $650 chiller. Makes no fucking difference just like it makes no fucking difference if you use a $100+ AIO or a $35 air cooler on a 4.2GHz 2600. You can arbitrarily add $650 to the cost of an i5-8400 too and achieve the same result, but all you're doing is being a manipulative shill in doing so.

That's literally what a strawman is.
>A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent
Because this guy can't refute that you can run a 2600 with a $35 air cooler, $75 motherboard, and $30 more expensive RAM, he argues you need a $100+ cooler, $200+ motherboard, and $100+ more expensive RAM which all PERFORM THE EXACT SAME and simply cost more.
That's this retard's strawman "argument" that he's been spamming for WEEKS.

He's been repeatedly BTFO, yet keeps spamming it.
It's been pointed out to him DOZENS OF TIMES that that G.Skill sniper kit is the exact same dies as a much cheaper kit, and you're paying $70 extra for a different XMP profile which you can enter in manually. He doesn't give a shit because he only wants to present a manipulative strawman argument.
He is actually a dumber cunt than the OP.

>>68069471
B450M

>> No.68069507
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>>68069418
>I don't care what people buy but the 2600 needs a $140 cooler and $250 motherboard

>> No.68069515
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is this worth it?

>> No.68069522

>>68069515
buy three just to be safe

>> No.68069526

>>68069486
Only the samefag would repeatedly miss the part where the builds aren't the ones in the video like he claims.

>> No.68069537

>>68069515
wtf happened to CPU prices

>> No.68069542

>>68069486
Many people don't realize that 2600 can't even hit 4ghz stock let alone 4.2 though. They probably have in mind the intel cpus that can hit 4.2 with their shitty cooler with no effort at all and think 2600 will be able to do it too when in reality it is terrible at overclocking and need a fucking cooler and mobo for it. Same thing for the ram, no one cared about the ram until ryzen came and put high requirements on what ram it needs to get optimal performance. These things have to be stated to newfags.

>> No.68069555

>>68068960
ASUS GeForce RTX 2080 O8G Dual-fan OC Edition GDDR6 HDMI DP 1.4 USB Type-C graphics card (DUAL-RTX2080-O8G ) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GK4X6C2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_9nkXBbH178CXP

>> No.68069560

>>68069542
>Many people don't realize that 2600 can't even hit 4ghz stock let alone 4.2 though.
So? How is that of any concern to the person doing that benchmark? It's on the buyer to do proper research?

>> No.68069561

>>68068647
Very good, 10 rupees have been deposited to your account.

>> No.68069575
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>>68069537
>wtf happened to Incel prices

>> No.68069586

Anyone know of a good mini itx Z97 motherboard with M.2?

>> No.68069590

>>68069320
If there is any one person who is clearly a paid shill on this board for intel/AMD/Nvidia, it's this guy.

He keeps repeatedly being objectively BTFO, yet keeps reposting the same destroyed bullshit anyway.
He writes decently. He can probably read well enough to understand what people have said to point out how clearly wrong he is.
He just keeps posting false misinformation anyway to try to scam people.

>>68069486
Yep. All that shows is that at 4.2ghz with *any* B-die RAM, the 2600 clearly beats the i5-8400 by a significant margin.
It does not show you need that exact specific hardware to achieve 4.2ghz and those results.
I've seen this pointed out to that shill like a hundred times, it seems like. But he keeps posting his fake manipulative shit anyway.

>>68069542
>stock
No shit. You have to overclock it to reach 4.2. And that's a typical overclock result.

>> No.68069597

>>68069555
https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-GeForce-352-bit-Backplate-Graphics/dp/B07GFTJCW5
250$ x 10

>> No.68069609

>>68069555
Stop kvetching and just buy it! Remember, the more you buy, the more you save.

>> No.68069659

>>68069597
Thanks for the help. What is the command prompt line to make amazon price divide by 10?

>> No.68069675

>>68067346
Literally fake, swapped the 2 scores

hahahah

>> No.68069681

>tfw intel took a page out of nvidias book for price perf ratio

why would anybody ever do that.

I hope they lose massive fucking market share this year and i hope nvidia does too. fuckwads deserve it for their greed.

>> No.68069685

OK, so which motherboard is better for Z390?
Gigabyte, ASUS or MSI??

>> No.68069726

>>68069681
do you really think they chose to have supply shortages just so they could sell a tenth of their cpus for 20% more

>> No.68069727

>>68069590
You clearly didnt see the image. Even with a $30 cooler and whatever else you say you need at MINIMUM to get these results you still end up paying $100+ for 7% more performance, no one says you need exactly the videos $400 difference builds.
>4.2 is a typical overclock
Not many people know that when you can get 4.7+ on intel with the same cooler you need to get 4.2 on ryzen. I don't blame them that they don't know ryzen is shit tho and must be warned that's why all those pics are being posted.

>> No.68069738

Is buying a refurbished motherboard worth?

The one im looking at has a 90 day warranty, doesn't include any accessories but I don't need any.

>> No.68069750

>>68069685
Doesn't matter all z390 are high end

>> No.68069766

>>68068631
Still posts clearly misleading and cherrypicked benchmarks done by a shill.

The 2600 ran with a X470 mobo, watercooler, high speed ram. Vs barebones b360 stock 8400

And he had the audacity to complain about PT tests.

>> No.68069782

>>68069140
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFlMoAasW4A

>> No.68069788

>>68069727
>people need to be warned
i was warned about people like you

>> No.68069797

Is a 8700k and 1080 good enough for 1440 resolution with max settings these days?

>> No.68069809

>>68069797
not for all games, no. also max settings are a meme

>> No.68069813

>>68069140
The Last of Us 2

>> No.68069823

>>68069797
For 75+ fps yes

>> No.68069831

>>68069726
Yes. well and no.

It's gross incompetence at this point. It's not a "Shortage" it's the fact that they are still on 14nm and only 3% of chips producted at that level can produce the clocks intel sells at. At this point they are cannibalizing their Xeon lines to supply the consumer market because they cannot move to 10nm or 7nm because they're dumb fucks.

AMD is the only business in CPUs actually making reasonable gains right now. Intel floundered around the haswell era with no real gain in IPC since. So at this point they are using the silicon lottery to the extreme in order to sell product.

Which is why they can't afford to sell them for anything less than 600 dollars, because if they tried to compete with AMD prices, they'd go bankrupt because for every chip they sell, they made 500 at the factor that were cut down and because i5s and i3s and so on that sell for less, still 90% of which cannot maintain current intel gen clocks and must be discarded.

THATS why intel is so much more expensive and must resort to predatory marketing and anti-competition practices. Because they are creatively bankrupt and have effectively become a sinking ship. If they don't figure out 10nm by next year, we're going to see a pretty incredible shift in CPU dynamic over the next few years as investors jump ship from intel to AMD and intel quickly diminishes into the shit product that only sells low end CPUs like AMD once was.

>> No.68069843

>>68067358
Because this board is really racist, there's nothing much more to it than "The good white person vs the evil brown person".

>> No.68069849

>>68069738
always risky, definitely test every single aspect of the board, be sure to boot into multiple linux distros and windows operating systems, test every port, do some light over clocking, reset the cmos a few times.

If anything seems fishy, return immediately.

>> No.68069862

>>68069831
>only 3% of chips producted at that level can produce the clocks intel sells at. At this point they are cannibalizing their Xeon lines to supply the consumer market because they cannot move to 10nm or 7nm because they're dumb fucks.
... that doesn't explain why the i3-8100 and i5-8400 costs so much. They're low clocks.

>>68069797
8700k for 1440p on a midrange GPU is a pretty brainlet choice. Just get the 2600/X.

>> No.68069876

With MSI Afterburner for logging purposes do I need to run the RivaTuner Statistics Server as well?

>> No.68069889

>>68069862
The 8700k performs better than the 2600x

>> No.68069898

>>68069797
pretty much, yeah, but >>68069809 is also right, ultra settings are today' snake oil basically
there are some pretty good videos showing exacly this, where they get some fuckhuge performance boost just by tunning down a little some settings, and they have to pretty much pixel hunt the differences

>> No.68069901

>>68069797
Always tweak your settings down from max a bit. Max always includes a bunch of dumb shit. For 1440p get a 2700X or 2600X and get a better GPU.

>> No.68069910

>>68069052
Because the pic I replied to chose these motherboards?

>> No.68069911

>18 fps
>23 fps

It run at locked 60 fps 80% of the time now, with 30 being worst case scenario (which ironically what PS4 is locked for).

>> No.68069914

>>68069185
I'm in the 1% of my country. Still considered poor though.

>> No.68069917
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Ryzen 3000 series is supposed to still be using AM4 so the current, say, x470 motherboards will still support those CPUs but how realistic will actual support be? Motherboard manufacturers will certainly release a new chipset to coincide with the 3000 series launch but how will older chipset support work? Are they just going to say "you can put the new CPUs on the old chipsets but don't expect any real support/optimization etc."?

>> No.68069921
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>>68069052
>There is lots of choices, yet you pick a far more expensive one.

>> No.68069922

>>68069917
AMD has promised AM4 will be around till 2020

>> No.68069923

>>68069185
frugal =! poor
often times, frugal - therefore rich

>> No.68069934

>>68067324 (OP)
Why are you building a rig around an emulator for a console you can buy used for <$200? Also, that game ran around 50FPS with the right settings and 60FPS hack on my 1700 so...

>> No.68069939

>>68069185
i live in a garage and make $15/hr, my girlfriend makes $16/hr yeah i guess we are poor

>> No.68069942

>>68069917
if AM3 and AM3+ is any model at all of how it will go, it should be fantastic.

>> No.68069945

>>68069917
may require a bios update and at most, some of the worse B450's won't OC new CPUs well

>> No.68069954

>>68067324
NEW THREAD

>>68069941
>>68069941
>>68069941

>> No.68069965

>>68069917
First gen boards require you to update the BIOS to support second gen Ryzen, other than that compatibility is fine. Doesn't seem third gen will be any different.

>> No.68069994

>>68069917
Be ready to pay Pablo $20 to update your bios.

>> No.68070014

>>68067596
>their

>> No.68070037

>>68069507
I am completely fine with people buying 2600 as long as they don't expect results achieved on premium hardware(RAM, cooler, motherboard) on stock, and cheap components.
Or say if somebody already has B-die RAM or a good cooler, then 2600 again becomes a better offer. Again it depends on a lot of things.

>> No.68070048
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god damn im a fuckin pig

>> No.68070053 [DELETED] 

>>68069502
>You're missing the fucking point, that 4.2GHz on a 2600 is not some mythical result that can only be achieved with a shitty AIO.
>4.2GHz on a 2600 is a *~typical~* result with a $35 air cooler.
Then do benchmarks with that hardware and post the results. Then it will be factual evidence of "look this hardware, these results" not "look these results, youl probably get them with much cheaper hardware, but don't look to us for proof of that"

>> No.68070086 [DELETED] 

>>68069502
>He doesn't give a shit because he only wants to present a manipulative strawman argument.
>He is actually a dumber cunt than the OP.
Pointing out hardware used in a benchmark and giving context is shilling
>posting benchmarks without any context or info on what was used, based and redpilled objective data
Fuck off, either show me proof of your claims or fuck off.
Saying shit like "he has been btfo" many times while providing nothing of substance except "please believe me it's true" is reaching to say the least.

>> No.68070104 [DELETED] 

>>68069486
>I'm not even that guy but holy shit the whole rig is right there in the pic and you're given all the information you need to make up your mind. If they didn't have 4.2 GHz in the parentheses then yeah those would be misleading.
Because OC on a CPU is effected by the cooler, the powerdeliver(powersuppy and motherboard VRMS) and lastly it's not just the CPU thats overclocked but the RAM used is high quality with tightened timings.
Most of that shit IS mentioned in the video and even pointed out with timespamed video links. Except shills who post the one screenshot don't want to mention any of that.

>> No.68070179

>>68068465
they're just npc and don't know it yet.

>> No.68070191

>>68069486
>That specific benchmark was done to show that a 2600 will beat 8400 if OC'd
Except it's not only OC, it also has premium RAM.

>>68069590
>If there is any one person who is clearly a paid shill on this board for intel/AMD/Nvidia, it's this guy.
Shill for literally all companies? Uh anon?

>He keeps repeatedly being objectively BTFO
You keep repeating that with no proof. Are you hoping to just convince people of that statement with nothing to back it up? Surely you don't think so little of the people.

>>68069910
>Because the pic I replied to chose these motherboards?
>Asus - Prime B360-Plus ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Except thats not the motherboard hardware unboxed used?
Look here
https://youtu.be/AUyF--fJaaM?t=46
>The core i5 8400 rig features the MSI B360 gaming plus
Here is what you used
>Asus - Prime B360-Plus ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
So what are you on about?

>> No.68070546
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Brainlet here, should I buy a 2600 or 2600x? I do plan to OC and I have a solid aftermarket cooler.

>> No.68070562

hey is a i3 8100 and a 1060 6gb a good combo? im trying to make a budget build that can run most games at 1080p 60fps

>> No.68070583

>>68069831
Based post anon, have a (You)

>> No.68070801

>>68068392
And when people ask for help for intel/nvidia purchase they get verbally attacked by that autistic AMD shill and his minions.

>> No.68071461

>>68067728
okay that's actually not bad, I'll admit that. But once you add the cost of a motherboard (say 60€), Case (€30) and PSU (€30) you end up with a big heavy computer that is hard to compare already and 3 times the tdp. It's faster of course, but not per watt. the J5005 NUC is €160 FYI, no ram and ssd included but that's basically the same on both, although I guess there is maybe a €10 difference between sodimms and normal dimms.
I guess AMD wins in bang for buck, but it's kind of apples/oranges.

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People in Europe where do you buy your parts from? I'm thinking of getting a 9900k this month but it's looking like I will either have to pay considerably higher than MSRP or choose something else.

>> No.68071893

>>68071461
oh and wifi/bt/2xhdmi are not on a super cheap mobo
So really still not rationally a bad deal and super kawaii :3

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