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Last OP was unironically a Fag Edition

>Buyer's template:
http://pastebin.com/33S1gVkG
>Where to Buy:
http://pastebin.com/8Yku80VL
>FAQs:
http://pastebin.com/M5w7QtKp
>Use the buyer's template
http://pastebin.com/33S1gVkG
>Group Buys
Deskthority, Geekhack, Massdrop
>Keyboard wiki
https://deskthority.net/wiki/Main_Page

>> No.68046869

any good budget mechanical keyboards that don't look like razer-gamer vomit? trying to find a good one but it seems to be more challenging than I thought

>> No.68046874

>>68046869
>http://pastebin.com/33S1gVkG
Read it if you want a request and follow the format.

>> No.68046887
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>>68046844
>+5 more needed
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.68046890

>>68046869
MK typist.

>> No.68046901

>>68046874
god bless

>> No.68046917

>>68046887
i know the reason for higher cost in smaller form factors but jesus christ, man, sometimes.

>> No.68046931

>>68046890
at that price, a ducky would be better

>> No.68046944

>>68046917
It is a type c with hotswapple switches and a high profile case. If you don't get the switches you save more as well.

>> No.68047028

>>68046944
oh. not bad then.

>> No.68047059

>using anything besides a unicomp keyboard
You might as well throw your money away.

>> No.68047085

>>68047059
>not having 3 unicomps and having enough money to throw away on using another keyboard
You might as well kill yourself

>> No.68047109
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68047109

>>68047059
>not using a 4704 model F

>> No.68047114

could anyone give a honest review of the GMMK?
cant find anything better with gateron clear switches

>> No.68047116

>>68047085
>Not spending 20% of your monthly paycheck of keyboards
This is how I can tell you're not a power user.

>> No.68047137

>>68047116
shit you got me. I spend it on investments and retirement funds. Fuck!

>> No.68047154
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>>68047114
It's good once you switch out the stabilizers with genuine cherry stabilizers.

There is your honest review.

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>>68047059
>Unishit
no thanks

>> No.68047408
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68047408

Looking into a Leopold FC900R with Korean layout. I contacted Leopold and they offered me 160 euro bucks shipping included. Should I still try to contact some EU sellers asking if they can get a Korean one on their next order, or do you guys think this will be as good as it gets?

And if I do, what do you think would mkg spergs want from Leopold, that I could flip here on ebay?

>> No.68047471

>>68047408
>160 euro
wtf... I got mine for 110 euro. You are getting ripped off

>> No.68047504

>>68047154
ty bud

>> No.68047576

>>68047408
Nothing that they can't just order themselves. You're acting like Leopold doesn't exist.

>> No.68047667
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>>68047199
They are made in America and they use the same moldings from the Model M. How is it shit?

>> No.68047679

>>68047667
They're basically just the lexmark made model m's, which are not as high quality as the older IBM made ones.

>> No.68047720
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>>68046887
>$230
>don't even get a number pad
keylets never learn

>> No.68047763

Is there a guide of all of the different mechanical keyswitches and their actuation lengths? I like very, very shallow actuation, so a button press is as small as possible.

>> No.68047854

What are the best stabilizers i see 3 options on novelkeys

>> No.68047880

>>68047854
Cherry stabs, PCB mount if the plate supports it.

>> No.68047886

>>68047880
i have a z70 pro that will support pcb mount right? the discord tells me it will support pcb switches so

>> No.68047921

>>68047886
Shouldn't that already have stabilizers? Why get more? Why not just look at what stabilizers it's using and pick the same type?

>> No.68047961
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>>68047720
>he doesn't know

>> No.68047975

>>68047720
>number pad
enjoy your off-center setup, retard
>hurrr i can't type the numbers on top, i need to get the hand off my mouse to enter numbers

>> No.68048057

>>68047921
i bought it without switches and caps cause i wanted to add my own

second question what size stabs do i need aside from 6.25 for the spacebar

>> No.68048075

>>68048057
Looks like three 2u sized stabs to me. It really should be obvious which keys require stabs by looking at the plate.

>> No.68048078

>>68046844
Anyone else interested in the GMK Monochrome setup going right now? Really want it, but at the same time I'm not sure I can push myself to drop the cash on it when I'm already looking to buy another diy kit.

>> No.68048079

>>68048057
Depends on what layout you're using.

>> No.68048114
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>>68048079
standard ansi heres a pic

>> No.68048155

>>68048075
ok thanks, sorry im new to this most keebs ive bought came complete

>> No.68048180

>>68047471
Then link it, please. Read that I want Korean keycaps.

>>68047576
Well they have some pink shit on their website, that I haven't seen here so far.

>> No.68048252

>>68047109
this

>> No.68048264

> not using model m
> limited N key rollover because usb
> higher latency because usb

It's like you are just bad at computers.
I bought a dozen for $5 each years ago, wish I had bought more to sell for 120+ now.

>> No.68048352

>>68048264
The model m is a shitty membrane keyboard that has 2kro and much higher latency then most USB keyboards despite using PS/2. The model F is superior in every way and can still be had for 30-40 bucks

>> No.68048368

>>68046844
Why do so many layouts take out key keys like ~ but not caps lock?

trying to find a decent layout with Kailh BOX burnt oranges is impossible.

>> No.68048382
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68048382

hey what do we think of the gigabyte k85? pretty good for the price from what i see. chuck some custom caps on it and remove the gigabyte logo and it seems pretty g

>> No.68048415
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68048415

I just picked up a Vortex Core and Vortex Race 3,
both great keyboards.

>> No.68048420

i just spend $120 on pmk blanks kill me

>> No.68048433
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68048433

my race3 has browns and the core has blues, not sure which I prefer to be honest, although MX Browns are not really that tactile imo.

>> No.68048447
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68048447

My first MK was this beast.
MX Browns

>> No.68048464

I just bought a corsair K70 LUX on a whim. I felt like posting it here to see how badly I fucked up. Literally never had a nice keyboard before despite being a programmer for 10 years.

>> No.68049016

anyone has feedback for Drevo Calibur?
is it worth it?

>> No.68049351

>>68046944
>a 50 dollar motherboard


kys

>> No.68049441

>>68048368
Because caps lock is used more than tilde, regardless, build a board and put whatever switches

>> No.68049462

whats the least amount of keys?

>> No.68049475

>>68049462
1

>> No.68049480
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>>68049462

>> No.68049853

>>68049480
Yikes!

>> No.68050175

>>68049853
You asked for it :^)

>> No.68050398

This any good?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MS8YTYX/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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>>68048415
>>68049480

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>>68049462

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>>68047961
SAY THAT ONE MORE FUCKING TIME

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68051567

anyone know what keycaps are these?

>> No.68051588

>>68051567
https://kono.store/collections/all-products-list/products/dsa-groove

>> No.68051599

>>68051588
thanks! price is crazy and I'm not so fond of DSA. but it looks good.

>> No.68052323

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-mechanical-clicky-keyboard-Northgate-Computer-Systems-Omnikey-101-/372456266697

>> No.68053083

>>68046844
>Budget
$150 AUD or around $105 USD

>Location
QLD Australia

>Switch
I'm thinking brown because this will be my first mechanical keyboard I've ever used, though idk, open to suggestions

>Layout
ANSI

>Form Factor
I'm thinking no numpad

>Backlight
I couldnt give a fuck about lights and shit, the simpler the better

I don't think i've ever used a mechanical board before, maybe when i was a kid on my family's older computers, not sure

What i'm looking for mostly, is something simple, most of the boards i've seen just looking around so far have been covered in dumb logos, crazy lights, and all these special media buttons and scroll wheels and shit. no thanks.
im gonna be using it a lot for work stuff ie CAD and some programming
I'll also be playing the occasional game

Thanks in advance,
love you

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>>68053083
>love you

>> No.68053309

40%ers: how hard is it to type in things with numbers (e.g. passwords)?

>> No.68053341
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68053341

>>68053309
*smug grin*
we have LAYERS
btw I also use Arch

>> No.68053371

>>68053341
But switching between layers while typing in a password must be slow, right?

>> No.68053411

>>68053083
>no numpad
>using CAD
Okay...
Ducky One 2 then
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/41287/ducky-one-2-skyline-tkl-mechanical-keyboard-cherry-brown

>> No.68053477

>>68053371
Not really. You can just press a single button and the keyboard will switch to another layer, or you can press and hold to switch to another layer, or you can configure it so that long pressing will input another layers input without switching layers, you can also do a mixture of several methods so you can have layers in layers. It's all up to you really. The keyboard is fully programmable

>> No.68053503

>>68053477
Neat, thanks anon.

>> No.68053532

>>68048447
>dirty reds

>> No.68053606

>>68053411
thanks pal

>> No.68053761

I'm not sure if I want to buy a buckling spring keyboard if they only support 2KRO.

>> No.68053829
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68053829

>>68053761
>buckling spring
>only support 2KRO
>he doesn't know

>> No.68054828

>>68053761
Buy an F77 from modelfkeyboards dot com

>> No.68054928

I want a low profile mechanical keyboard with clicky switches, nice high quality pbt keycaps, backlit with an aluminum chassis.
100% or tkl, but nothing smaller. Must look sturdy and high quality.
I have a $400 budget, any clues.

>> No.68055759
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68055759

Got this Model M yesterday. Beautiful, replaced my gaymen mechanical keyboard.

>> No.68056097
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68056097

Is the Ergodox EZ worth the price? Thinking about getting one. Can I get one without key caps?

>> No.68056139

>>68055759
Very nice, anon.

>> No.68056335

>>68055759
>Beautiful
well that's one way to describe the worst model that IBM made

>> No.68056342

>>68056335
Model M is the worst?

>> No.68056366

>>68056342
There are several different models of the IBM model M, and you have the worst one.

>> No.68056405

>>68056366
I don't see your point brah, it has detachable cord, buckling spring keys with key stems, made in 91. What else do you expect?

>> No.68056502

Is there such thing as a mechanical key that's just a binary mouse click? I'd fucking love a keyboard like that.

>> No.68056515

>>68046844
I'm planning a keyboard out of plywood (for easy prototyping). Do you think chink clear keycaps could look nice? Or will they look chink? I suppose clears have greater potential for chink look. I'm talking about
> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/PBT-Keycaps-DSA-1u-Blank-Printed-Keycaps-For-Gaming-Mechanical-Keyboard-20pcs/4421111_32908275436.html

>> No.68057345

I want to buy a 122 keys model m. Anything I should look for when buying one?

>> No.68057662

how can people accept keyboards without F-keys? I can see how you can want to reduce with of the keyboard by taking off the numpad, but removing those poor F-keys seems like form over function to me.

Also removing stuff like Ins, Del, PgUp etc is retarded too.

>> No.68057676

>>68057662
*reduce width, not 'with'

>> No.68057771
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68057771

>Budget
100-200
>Location (continent at least)
U S A
>Preferred switch type
Clear, white, grey? Dunno, want something for programming.
>Layout
Dvorak pref., either ansi or iso.
>Form factor
60%-80% want something small to carry to the lab
>Backlight
Indifferent
>Previous/current keyboards
Pic related, its great but loud bulky.

First time buyer, want something smallish, dvorak, and tactile without sounding like popcorn. Usage will be programming and writing papers.
I like brown, grey and white, no gaymer shit.

Thanks.

>> No.68058010
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68058010

>Budget
70$ - 80$
>Location
Brazil
>Preferred switch type
Blue, I think
>Layout
ISO or ABNT (monkeyland layout)
>Form factor
No Numpad
>Backlight
whatever

>> No.68058097

>>68046844
>80$
>East Europe
>probably tactile for writing(blue?)
>ISO probably
>100%
>no
>Logitech Y-SU61, Laptop keyboard

What's the deal with form factors? 60% are useful for on the go for programmers etc?

Is it worth it just for typing? I am thinking about Logitech Illuminated, so it's mobile and thin, and doesn't take too much desk space vertically.

>> No.68058113

>>68057771
What keyboard is this?

>> No.68058170

>>68056405
Better build quality. Those are literally have the worst build quality of the IBM made model Ms. At least replace the spacebar with a PBT one instead of that ABS garbage. Fixing the misaligned keycaps might be too much work for that piece of junk, but if you bolt mod it you'll have a solid typing experience

>> No.68058257

Why don't people makendifferebt colored blank xda caps?

>> No.68058398
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It was worth the wait, lads

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>>68058398
Nice dev titty.

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68058552

>>68046844
>at102w starts behaving wierdly
>buy another one on ebay
>clean both in hopes of fixing the original
>old one works, new one is fucked

works for me. dropping it off at the post office tomorrow morning

>> No.68058562

>>68058552
Australia is pretty nice this time of year also

>> No.68058846

>>68058170
desu I have no problem with key hardness or their alignments. you people are going too far with mechanical keyboard autism.

>> No.68059004

>>68058462
where can i find this keyboard with gateron clear switches?

>> No.68059037

>>68059004
Make one yourself m8. Just look up the dactyl-manuform & you'll find the stl files you need & whatnot.

>> No.68059049
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68059049

>Meet girl at uni who's in engineering
>Mentioned something about keyboards
>Turns out she's an /mkg/ user and has 5 boards
>She agreed to a dare where we literally just cuddle and test switches

Fuck yes

>> No.68059076

>>68046931
But box whites

>> No.68059089

>>68053309
Took me a month to get used to it, switching layers is second nature to me now.

>> No.68059110

>>68059049
Date**

>> No.68059269
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>>68046844
>realforce
Nice

>> No.68059303

going for the Ducky One 2 Mini RGB LED 60%
with brown switches most likely
good or no good?
first small keyboard

>> No.68059317
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68059317

Buying first mechanical keyboard (Canada). Don't need RGB. Need a numpad. Prefer 100% size. Is the CM Masterkeys Pro L any good value?

>> No.68059324

>reddit

>> No.68059331

>>68059317
Oh yea, with Brown switches. Mostly typing, some gaming (mmo type).

>> No.68059378

>>68059303
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=4322

>> No.68059416

>>68047975
>i can't type the numbers on top
I can but not at anywhere near the same rate. I used to work the cash register as a gas station when I was studying. You'd be shocked at the rate I can enter numbers on a numpad

>> No.68059558

>>68054828
RRRREEEE $400

>> No.68059585

Opinion on the poker 3 as an entry level kb?

>> No.68059600

>>68058846
Well the model M isn't even a mechanical keyboard, so we can be as autistic as we want

>> No.68059611

>>68059558
It's 500 bucks cheaper than the originals, so you're getting a good deal

>> No.68059638

Gonna get a WASDv2 custom
Thoughts?

>> No.68059657

>>68059558
Keep in mind the original model Fs were $900 each when accounting for inflation.
>>68059611
That's not even the 4704 type model Fs which were $900 iirc.

>> No.68059863

Opinions?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/DREVO-Tyrfing-V2-87-88-Key-RGB-Tenkeyless-UK-Italian-Russian-Layout-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard-Black/32904998988.html

+ Brown clones
+ More compact / better design
- Shit laser engraved caps

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Z77-UK-Layout-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard-TKL-RGB-Led-Backlit-Anti-Ghosting-Gamer-Keyboard-88-Keys/32879758520.html

+ Swappable switches
+ Double shot caps
+ Cheaper
- Blue clones

>> No.68059908

>>68056097
If you don't want to build one yourself for cheaper, sure.

>> No.68059989
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>>68059317
Decided to go with Logikek G610 browns. Micro USB on the CM just doesn't appeal to me.

>> No.68060521

>>68059989
Acutally bought Ducky One 2.

>> No.68060635
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>>68046944
Aluminium, hotswappable, dual type-c and less buckaroos. Not high profile though. You can however pick your switches at checkout.

>> No.68060741

>>68050398
I have a keyboard with Outemu Brown switches. It's not that bad (for the price).

I would get the TKL02 over the TKL01, though.
https://amzn.com/B07DFBKYT5

>> No.68061251

one of the keys on my pok3r silent red has started to become sticky/stiff when pressed at a certain angle, is this a known issue with silent red switches? Can it be fixed without replacing the switch?

>> No.68061482

>>68055759
Hi Grandma.

>> No.68061509

>>68057771
Code keyboards come with DVORAK as a default layout

>> No.68061520

>>68058097
Magicforce from aliexpress

>> No.68061544

>>68059049
Wow, keyboards might help a person get laid instead of hinder.
What a strange, strange world we live in.

>> No.68061678

>>68061544
Wait till you meet the Korean chicks, they love keyboards for some reason. A couple of them brought their fancy ducky minis to class one day to take pictures of. I complimented their cute keyboards but said I don't like cherry switches, to which they agreed and showed me that they used the campus maker space to swap out the garbage cherry switches with zealios. They even convinced me to bring some of my vintage cherry keyboards to class so we could take pictures of them together.

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68061836

So I got pic related for $50 and I like the PBT keycaps and the overall build quality, but after seeing ALPS switches in action, I wanna replace my Cherry MX Blues (which I still enjoy). How hard would replacing the switches be?

>> No.68061897

>>68061836
Neither the plate nor PCB for MX switches are compatible with alps. You'd need another keyboard.

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68062069

>>68053309
>40%ers: how hard is it to type in things with numbers (e.g. passwords)?
If you're typing passwords in, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!
You should never type passwords in.

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68062094

>>68058462
>dat monstrosity
Absolutely disgusting.

>> No.68062125

>>68062094
not him but
>posting DDLC anywhere on the internet, let alone 4chan
get out with your garbage you filthy casual

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68062155

>>68062125
>filthy casual
LOL'd. I can hear your autistic screeching all the way here buddy.

>> No.68062188

>>68048415
the color caps look so ugly, just keeping the stock grey caps on looks so much better

>> No.68062353

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01FDEMKIW/ref=od_aui_detailpages02?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I bought this, did I fuck up?

>> No.68062370

>>68062353
If you ever have to ask that question on 4chan, then yes you did

>> No.68062387

>>68062370
oh well, fuck you I like it

>> No.68062396

>>68062387
You most definitely fucked up then

>> No.68062409

>>68062396
*dabs*

>> No.68062419

>>68062409
your remorse will hit in any second now

>> No.68062427

>>68053083
Filco tenkeyless, but it's going to be AU$200 or so.

>> No.68062432

>>68062419
I've never had a mech before I have no idea how I will feel about it desu

>> No.68062434

>>68062155
you're actually new as fuck

>> No.68062438
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68062438

>>68046844
>rubber dome

>> No.68062519

>>68062069
Most things are in Keepass but I can't log into the titty with that.

>> No.68062629

>>68062434
no, you're just autistic kiddo.

>> No.68062875

Are there any hand/wrist rests for TKL keyboards? I can find ones for full keyboards

>> No.68062897

>>68062629
you have to go back

>> No.68063058

>>68062875
Yes, but you shouldn't use them since they're bad for you

>> No.68063131

>hhkb
>mediocre caps at its price
>case is fisher price tier
>extra usb are useless
>have to pay an extra $100+ to make it programmable
>price of 2 - 3 leos or a decent custom with a nice keyset
>people defend these by saying the rubber is "high quality" or some shit but no one actually knows what kind of rubber it is
>tried one for a few minutes and thought they pleasant but really just an alternative to MX and should be worth about as much
>still want one anyway

anyway i've heard that topre is better for your fingers, i have beaten up my hands from intense computer use over the years and was wondering if this is true

>> No.68063150
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68063150

how much should I pay for a Model F in 2018?
I don't care which layout
US btw

>> No.68063163

>>68063131
wut?
HHKB uses thick dye-sub PBT keycaps just like the Topre Leopolds. Also the keyboard costs like 140 bucks making it the cheapest Topre keyboard around

>> No.68063169

>>68063150
Depends on which one.

>> No.68063174

>>68063150
$100 for an XT, $400+ for anything else

>> No.68063182

>>68063058
Really? the way I use them I have to put my hands in about a 45 degree angle and Id put my wrists on the rest not my palms

>> No.68063185
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68063185

>>68063169
the cheapest one with capacitive buckling spring switches

>> No.68063203

>>68063150
XT - 40 bucks
Bigfoot - 60 bucks
AT - 80 bucks
F122 - 300 bucks
F107 - 400 bucks
F62 - 600 bucks
F102 - 900 bucks
F77- 1000 bucks

>> No.68063226

>>68063182
>Id put my wrists on the rest not my palms
If you do have one you're better off resting your palms. Proper typing posture recommends you hover your hands over the keyboard as you type while resting your arms on an arm rest. Of course a chair with a good arm rests costs much more then a $10 wrist rest so most people go for the cheaper option. Putting any sort of pressure on your wrists is bad and that angle is too steep.

>> No.68063314

>Budget
$100

>Location (continent at least)
Great Nation of Texas

>Preferred switch type
Silent

>Layout
ANSI

>Form factor
100% full keyboard

>Backlight
No

>Previous/current keyboards
Crap HP standard keyboard. Want a change.

>> No.68063357
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68063357

>tfw mommy never bought me a topre keeb

>> No.68063393

>>68063314
>$100
>Silent
I thought you guys were swimming in oil money
Anyway for that price get a cooler masterkeys PBT with either reds or browns and add o-rings of your choice for a dollar
https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-MasterKeys-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B072C516B9?th=1
If you want better options, well they do exist but you need to double your budget thanks to reddit. If you don't like that, then too bad you're gonna have to pay the reddit tax

>> No.68063402

>>68063357
Wait, you killed yourself. How are you alive?

>> No.68063425

>>68063203
why is
>xt the cheapest
>at > xt
>f77 most expensive
?

>> No.68063430

>>68063425
Availability, mostly.

>> No.68063432

>>68063425
because it's based off of ebay prices

>> No.68063443

>>68063357
did some1 here kill themselves? saw something like this a few months back(?)

anyway: it is, despite all the debate or your position on the issue, quite a based thing to do to ask your mommy for a topre keyboard. let's face it, poindexters

>> No.68063457

>>68063443
youre not funny

>> No.68063464

>>68063425
Some one deskthority traded two beamsprings for one F77. Beampsring keyboards usually sell between 800-1500 bucks, so I think 1000 bucks for a F77 is too cheap

>> No.68063547

>>68063393
Thank you anon. I appreciate the quality response. Let's say I waited a bit and brought my budget to $300. How much higher is the quality of the keyboards in that range?

>> No.68063562

>>68063226
So I should just not get one at all?

>> No.68063586

>>68063562
Ideally you'd get a better chair, but those cost more so if you must get one just don't rest your wrists on it

>> No.68063617

>>68063425
XTs are common as muck, need a Soarer's converter to function on modern computers and have middling build quality

ATs have a layout much closer to the modern standard, only need a simple AT to P/S2 adaptor to function with modern computers and can be pretty easily modified to almost standard winkeyless layout

The F77 is the rarest keyboard in the 4704 series, IBM's highest quality buckling spring keyboards ever. The amount floating around in the wild could probably be counted on one hand

>> No.68063662

>>68063547
>How much higher is the quality of the keyboards in that range?
The sad part is that it's not much better. I will say this I had the pleasure of trying some of the quiet reddit switches and nothing comes close to them. They're the best by a considerable margin. But because reddit has a monopoly on them and the demand is high the prices are just insane. The closest you can get to feel wise would be matias quiet clicks like
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/search.php?keyword=&brand=&switch=32&size=2&led=&capmat=&capprint=&model=&availability=in_stock_pre&show_kb=off&show_kb=on&show_acc=off
However the build quality on those keyboards is terrible even when compared to $40 Chinese keyboards so I'd pass.
That cooler master keyboard with browns or reds with o-rings is quiet enough. The reddit switches are even quieter then most rubber domes, but the cost is too much

>> No.68063677
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68063677

which are the best non-clicky tactile 50-50g switches?

>> No.68063683

>>68063677
is that bottom out or actuation weight?

>> No.68063688

>>68063677
>50-55g

>> No.68063703

>>68063683
actuation.. i guess?
i have cherry browns now, but they are too light
blue cherries were better, but i don't like the sound

>> No.68063709

>>68063703
Then just make jailhouse blues

>> No.68063713

>>68063703
For reference, browns actuate at 45g and bottom out around 55g

>> No.68063727

>>68063703
browns shouldn't even exist so try mx clears

>> No.68063730

>>68063713
Actually the actuate at 40±2g and bottom out at 55±2g

>> No.68063794

>>68063662
Ah I see. I'll go with the cooler then. Appreciate the help

>> No.68063975

>Budget
$125

>Location (continent at least)
Canada

>Preferred switch type
Mx blues (or anything good for programming)

>Layout
ANSI

>Form factor
60-65%, as long as it has arrow keys

>Backlight
Either way. Doesn't hurt

>Previous/current keyboards
Logitech g6710+ with browns. I like the keyboard since it's good for all-purpose stuff, but I want something specifically for typing

>> No.68064068

>>68063975
looks like it's not available on amazon.ca, but the FC660M-PD looks like a great option for you if you can find one
http://global.leopold.co.kr/product.php?pcode=fc660mpd

>> No.68064139

>>68063975
>>68064068

Hey, that's pretty good! Thanks dude - I'll look into that one. If anyone has anymore suggestions I'm also open to other ideas

Also forgot to mention, budget is in USD, not Canadian dollars

>> No.68064165

>Budget
~$200

>Location (continent at least)
USA

>Preferred switch type
BOX Navies for clicky, not much experience with linear switches yet.

>Layout
Standard ANSI

>Form factor
65%

>Backlight
Does not matter

>Previous/current keyboards
Razer Blackwidow 2016
Cooler Master MK750

I'm really just looking for a hot-swappable 65% PCB with maybe RGB lighting. I have a build in mind for a more personal keyboard that I can take with me to uni.

>> No.68064689

is there a difference in buying an hhkb from kbdfans vs elsewhere? i think i saw an unboxing where a guy bought his from kbdfans and got some extra accessories

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68064732

>>68046844

poorfag here
Is the K83 worth it?

>> No.68065424

>>68063203
Man, you wish AT's were still that cheap. They're like $200 now.

>> No.68065666
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68065666

>>68046844
is there anything better than this?

>> No.68065692

>>68065666
Dactyl-manuform.

>> No.68065911

I really want a Cherry MX Brown because it's the "middle ground" for gaming and typing. But it seems that Cherry gets shitted on really hard.

Should I get other switches instead?

>> No.68065923

>>68065911
Get mx clears, or one of it's many clones if you want something that doesn't have absolutely pathetic tactility.

>> No.68065958

>>68065911
don't buy switches for the purpose of utility. it won't make a difference, just get something you'd think you'll like (btw browns are garbage).

>> No.68066260

>>68065923
>>68065958
Thanks, anons. I'm currently stuck with a rubber dome keyboard so I'm looking for something nice. I'll go check other switches instead

>> No.68066641
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68066641

>>68065666
Trips prove the unholy appeal of these things.

>> No.68067247
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68067247

>overfill glass and lose some over old cumstorm
>some keys stop working and eventually the whole thing disconnects
>wait a week, still not working
>open and plug in, works
>put together days later, no work
>take apart, see wire loose
>try to pull out connector but piece on end of cable crumbles
What are these connectors called?

>> No.68067691

>>68061897
Ok, thanks for that. So what's a good switch that I can replace the Cherrys with?

>> No.68067862

>>68053083
>i'm thinking brown

no, go full fucking clicky, you'll end up there anyways, why delay the inevitable?

>> No.68069079

>>68067247
2mm 5pin jst connector

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68069447

>>68065666
ye

>> No.68069453
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68069453

>2+ more needed
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.68069539

>>68069453
Looks overpriced as fuck.

>> No.68069594

I've switched from Roccat Suora back to K120. Fuck MKs.

>> No.68069698
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68069698

>>68069539
how so?

>Hotswap
>High profile
>USB C
>QMK

>> No.68069718

>>68069453
It's very nice, but after customs to CAD, it's just too much for me.

>> No.68069731

Do you guys use wrist rests?

>> No.68069760
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68069760

This man makes $15M / year writing books on a simple 100% keyboard.
Just imagine how much more productive he would be with a smaller keyboard!
He doesn't even have colored key caps forged by Taiwanese elves, and the cable isn't braided either

>> No.68069772
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68069772

>>68069760
This man.

>> No.68069775
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68069775

When the fuck will picrel or any analogous shit come out?

>> No.68070464

>>68069698
>paying 190 bucks for a bare board and shitty case

yikes

>> No.68070506
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68070506

>>68069731
So, do you?

Some say it's bad to use one, some say it's not so bad, especially if you have bent wrists without one. I know floating wrists are ideal for typing, but what if you are gaming or something and are only hovering over wasd etc.

>> No.68070595
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68070595

whens this keyboard case coming out and what is it?

>> No.68070638

>>68070464
>Shitty case
>High profile case
Explain

>> No.68070702

>>68070638
it's good if you like collecting, dust, hair and other crud.

>> No.68070737

>>68065666
>is there anything better than this?
Pretty much everything. Ergoshit is for morons.

>> No.68071050
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68071050

Got into the groupbuys for the Kira80/TKL and for SA Symbiosis R2.
Can't wait to finally get that thing.

>> No.68071064

>>68070702
but low profile switches do that too and be worse off because the switches are exposed more.

>> No.68071327

>>68071050
>ABS
You should consider killing yourself.

>> No.68071490

>>68071327
I already have two boards with PBT caps and really like them but doubleshot ABS is pretty good too. Just personal preference.

>> No.68071565

is there any nice replacement cases for TKL keyboards where I can use my existing PCB. mines like standard layout with Function keys spaced 1 away from escape and then slight spacing between F4-F5 and F8 and F9 then 3row + arrow keys lined up.

>> No.68072080

>>68071565
Depends. TKL doesn't exactly have a standard like 60% pcb do.

>> No.68073459

>>68072080
I thought all TKLs were pretty much the same. I mean they're just regular keyboards w/o the numpad

>> No.68073626
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68073626

>>68073459
pcb don't have a standard. Companies for some reason have an unspoken rule about keeping the same pcb holes for 60%, but for TKL there is nothing like that.

For example, the screws and standoffs for this case will match most 60% cases.

>> No.68073684
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68073684

Tfw typing on vintage blacks

>> No.68074127
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68074127

>>68073684
tfw typing on laser contactless optical black switches

>> No.68074155

>>68069731
I don't

>> No.68074183
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68074183

>keyboard I want is still out of stock

>> No.68074215

>>68074183
just pre-order it then

>> No.68074374

>>68074183
Just build one

>> No.68074422
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68074422

Friendship ended with 60%, now whatever the fuck this is my best friend

>> No.68074423

>>68074215
can't it just says out of stock...
>>68074374
I'm too much of a brainlet, I don't know how to solder and do all that other stuff.

>> No.68074433

>>68074422
75% m8.

>> No.68074441

>>68074423
You don't need to solder depending on what PCB you get.

>> No.68074444

>>68074422
>75%
>84, just like the age of the women I like to date.

>> No.68074465

>>68074423
Unless you're hand wiring a teensy or some shit (which still isn't that hard) it's really simple

KBDfans kits are pretty good value as far as customs go, if you wanted 60%, 75%, TKL or compact 1800 layouts

>> No.68074472
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68074472

Oh shit boys. Assdrop is going to get more cancerous.

>> No.68074545
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68074545

>>68074444
I don't get it

>> No.68074584

>>68074545
I really don't understand why anyone prefers 60 over 75 besides aesthetics

You get so much more functionality and remove the need for awkward finger gymnastics with only 1 extra row and column

>> No.68074598

>>68074545
They are also known as 84 key keyboard.

>> No.68074599
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68074599

>>68074584
because the less keys you have the better you are at programming

>> No.68074620
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68074620

>>68074599
>>68074584
this

Also A E S T H E T I C S

>> No.68074629
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68074629

I have a problem with retro keyboards and OI love typing on a good IBM Model M

In a couple of days I will have in my hands my first Model F

>> No.68074632

>>68048433
I've used keyboards without arrow keys and without F keys. But how the fuck do you survive without number keys? Roman numerals?

>> No.68074651

>>68074629
>ISO
Yuck

>> No.68074657
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68074657

>Using torpe

>> No.68074662

>>68074632
they usually have FN number layers

>> No.68074670

>>68058462
I have Ergodox and Kinesis Advantage. This seems like a great compromse. Please what is this called?

>> No.68074693
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68074693

>>68074657
>Replacing Topres with BKE

>> No.68074698

>>68074670
A dactyl-manuform. I did modify the clojure code specifically so it'd look more like the ergodox after all. You can find all the files you need in the dactyl-manuform thread on geekhack. I could sell you my other one if you want :^)

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68074702

>>68074599
I have a HHKB and the control/backspace placement is better but 75% is just more convenient (and you can still put control in the proper place, pic related)

>> No.68074712

>>68074702
Capslock is for escape.

>> No.68074716
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68074716

>>68074702
Too many keys. You can't be an efficient programmer with that many keys

>> No.68074749

>>68069079
Thanks babe. My ruler says the broken bit on the other end is 1.25mm. Think I'd have an easier time splicing two pre-terminated cables instead of putting that on myself?

>> No.68074753

>>68074698
Thanks Anon. I would but I'm too poor at the moment. Just creating more excuses to not get on with my coding projects.

>> No.68074755

>>68074716
>real programmer
>can't even write his own keyboard firmware without additional hardware

>> No.68074772

>>68074702
I love my HHKB (Topre feels amazing) but then I tried to replace the keycaps and found they are the most expensive thing ever.

>> No.68074784

>>68074772
just stem swap them

>> No.68074808

>>68074772
Dunno why you'd want to replace the stock ones anyway. Topre mount options are limited, and putting in MX sliders will make it feel worse.

If you're desperate for some particular keycaps I would just build a second board, it would be cheaper than sourcing the only good MX sliders anyway

>> No.68074816

>>68073626
>>68073459
its because no actually companies make 60% they are all made by autists using shitty slow reversed engineered and universal controller chips.

>> No.68074828

>>68074784
Thanks, I'll look into this.

>> No.68074836

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewE8b7zzej0&feature=youtu.be&t=231

>> No.68074866
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68074866

Damn I like lgbt backlit

>> No.68074886

>>68074866
It's okay. In today's society coming out of the closest no longer has the same stigma as it did just 10 short years ago

>> No.68074896

>>68074866
>LGBT
>macbook
Checks out.

>> No.68074907
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68074907

>>68074886
>>68074896
huh.

>> No.68074921

>>68074866
why do your caps look crooked?

>> No.68074952

>>68074921
Probably because of the reflected light from the LEDs.

>> No.68074961

>>68074921
shitty mx switches aren't stable and wobble a lot

>> No.68074976
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68074976

>>68074921
This:
>>68074952

>> No.68074991
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68074991

Do you guys practise typing technique? Or do you just type based on the way you taught yourself?

>> No.68074996

>>68047679
nah they are even more jewy on the materials, they made them thinner to save themselves more money.

>> No.68075021

>>68048382
i dont know about that but they make pretty good motherboards

>> No.68075023

>>68074991
I mostly just half ass it, but I still manage 80wpm so I don't really care

>> No.68075036

>>68074996
Citation? As far as I remember unicomp just use the same lexmark molds because they're pretty much comprised of old lexmark workers.

>> No.68075048

>>68074961
Tbh I've noticed something like that, but I unintentionally got two pok3rs both with MX red, I love it, but I'm considering to replace switches on one of them, have no idea what to pick tho, what are the most stable ones then?

>> No.68075080

>>68075048
box switches wobble the least

>> No.68075098

>>68075023
Yea, I've been thinking of correcting my "form", but it's just so hard to break old habits, and my speed is plenty when I feel like it.

>> No.68075116

>>68075048
If you're okay with something old, get a space invader board.

>> No.68075136

>>68067691
probably something from kalih

>> No.68075169

>>68070595
https://kbdfans.cn/collections/group-buy/products/tofu-hhkb-layout-hot-swap-diy-kit

>> No.68075170

>>68075116
Switches look sick, I'll try to find it, thx
>>68075080
Thx

>> No.68075308

>>68046844
>save money to by my first mkb
>dollar skyrockets
>local currency bottoms
>can't even buy half a keyboard now
fuck you macri

>> No.68075337

>>68075036
i dont have any really, but from my experience i can tell you that compared to the ibm model m thats almost 30 years old i have that the materials are much thinner. the metal plate is like 1/3 as thin.

>> No.68075374

>>68075337
Well yea, if you compare it to the older IBM made model m's it won't be as well built.

>> No.68075385

>>68058010
Give up brother. We're fucked.
The thing that most closely matches what you want is the fucking multilaser "hybrid" gayman keyboard.

t. someone trying to find a mechanical hueboard in abnt2 layout.

>> No.68075420

>>68059416
If you need a numberpad, you get a seperate one and put it on the correct side, opposite of the mouse.
Why the numpad was ever put where the mouse should be is definitely one of the many mysterious retardations of ansi/iso.

>> No.68075432

>be me
>switch tester arrives today
>le click clack
>decide mx clears
>go to order fc750r
>out of stock
REEEEE

>> No.68075495

>>68069453
>>68069698
Why the fuck should I care about USB C in a keyboard? I just want some clicky clack not copy my porn collection to an external hdd.

>> No.68075534

>>68075495
so in ten years when everything is USB C you won't need a dongle

>> No.68075688

>>68075495
Better connection than that shitty usb micro garbage.

>> No.68075760

>>68058010
Havit and Reddragon keyboards sell for around R$ 200 in mercadolivre

>> No.68075965

>>68075432
>wasting money on a tester
Just leave your basement loser and go to a keyboard shop

>> No.68076051

>>68075965
A keyboard shop? Those things exist? Best I can do is Best Buy.

>> No.68076176

>>68062353
>non standard bottom row
You dun goofed. Good luck with buying a keycap set.

>> No.68076231

>>68075432
>he thinks he can tell what he likes from banging on a single switch
kek'd. you're still a kiddo.

>> No.68076334

>>68076051
Best Buy often has some gamer keyboards on display.

>> No.68076379

>>68076051
If you live in America there are a couple. Microcenter carries Duckys, leopold, and topre keyboards which you can try out. Mechanical keyboards has a store where you can test out various switches and layouts. Best Buy and Staples at least carry the basic Red, Brown, and Blue switches so that should give you a general idea of what to expect

>> No.68076913

>>68076231
>not being able to tell based on a single switch
In all seriousness it did help - now I know linear and browns feel like shit to me, but I like clears

>> No.68077133

>>68074836
Autism encapsulated into a Jewtube video.

>> No.68077162

>>68074632
those red marks on the front of the key caps indicate the alternate function of the keys. so if he presses/holds the red FN button he can then type the numbers

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>>68077167
was meant to say

>its never coming

>> No.68077214

>>68076051
best buy should have a reds, browns, romer-g, blues, the razer equivalent of both and razer's optical mechanical boards to fuck with. one near me has Roccat titan keyboard on display too

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>>68077167
Me too on ePBT 9009 R3. Was meant to ship October 3 but apparently the factory was behind so it's now late Oct / Early Nov

>> No.68077355

>>68076379
>>68077214
I've never tried anything, but I'm certain I want browns. So I ordered a Ducky One 2 100% with browns.

>> No.68077405

>>68075308
Huh, relatable (I'm in Russia)

>> No.68077625

wheres' the next thread?

>> No.68077676

>>68077625
There's no need to occupy two slots.

>> No.68078202

should i buy another mechanical keyboard? i liked my previous one alot but i fucking spilled soda on it like a retard and it broke, but i also dont want to spend 100$ just to buy another one for it to break either.

>> No.68078218

>>68078202
Just stop fuckin' putting drinks near your keyboard you ape.

>> No.68078280

NEW

>>68078276
>>68078276
>>68078276

>> No.68078458

>>68078218
just

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