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>Assemble a part list
https://pcpartpicker.com/
>Learn how to build a PC (You can find more detailed videos on YouTube)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g [Embed]
>How to install older Windows with USB 3
https://pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1

If you want help
>State the budget & CURRENCY for your build
>List your uses - e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g. photo editing, gaming) and graphics card pairing

Overclocking
>DON'T BUY AN 8000K CPU OR Z300 BOARD IF YOU AREN'T OVERCLOCKING
>Delid 8000K
>Use Precision Boost 2 offsets for Ryzen 2000X

CPUs
>R3 2200G - Bare minimum gaming (dGPU optional)
>R5 2400G - Consider if close to 2200G price
>R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs
>i7-8700K - Best for gaming, but most expensive platform & delid necessary
>R7 2700/X - Best mainstream high-end mixed usage
>Threadripper/used Xeon - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing

Motherboards
>Don't buy A320 (All Ryzen is unlocked)
>Only Z300 Intel boards can utilize memory over 2666MHz

RAM
>8GB - Enough for most gaming use
>16GB - Standard for heavy use
>32GB - Too much for most users
>2933MHz+ is ideal; 3200 CL14 is B-die

Storage
>StoreMI can make HDDs better
>Consider getting a larger SSD instead of SSD+HDD
>2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB
>M.2 can be SATA or PCIe
>PCIe/NVMe for intensive use only

Video cards
>SLI and CrossFire are unadvisable
MSRP of common cards
>(GTX) 1050- $110, Ti- $140; 1060 3GB- $200, 6GB- $230; 1070- $380, Ti- $450; 1080- $500, Ti- $700
>(RX) 570 4GB- $170; 580 8GB- $230; Vega 56- $400; Vega 64- $500
1080p
>1050 Ti, 1060 3/6GB, or 570/580
>1070 or Vega 56 if you're looking for 100+ fps & have a CPU to match
1440p
>1070/Ti, 1080 or Vega 56/64
>1080 Ti if you're looking for 100+ fps & have a CPU to match
2160p
>1080 Ti

Monitors
>G-SYNC only with high budget/refresh rate
>Always consider FreeSync with RX cards
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING

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>> No.66390597
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66390597

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x7ymCb

r8, will buy tomorrow if everything is ok

it's mostly for gaming and general usage, btw, the only thing I'm hesitant is that I like to use emulators a lot, and I heard AMD CPU are really bad for it

>> No.66390604

>>66390557
Is that a 180 mm fan at the top of the case?

>> No.66390654

>>66390597
I'll repost from the other thread, it's a meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQUJ1Z6GILI
It's decent but I'd replace the motherboard (poor VRMs) for a Strix B350-F, a B350 Krait or a B350 Tomahawk/PC Mate, the PSU for a 620 EVO, the memory for a faster kit, the WD Blue for the cheaper MX500, and the case for a MX330 (better airflow)

>> No.66390663

Good prebuilt where?
Gotta start with something right?

>> No.66390685

>>66390663
>Good prebuilt where?
Why?

>> No.66390696

>>66390597
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/N4sHWD
Better case, Tesseract tends to rattle.

>> No.66390732

I'm building a rig for some heavy DAW work which includes soft synths, heavy effect chain usage and audio editing/repair. Will also use for some light 1080p gaming at low/med.
I'm opting for an ultrawide monitor as its extra real estate pairs well with Ableton's UI.
My main priorities are keeping temperatures and decibels low without sacrificing too much power.
>Is the CPU overkill?
>Is it worth getting a 3rd-party cooler for it if I'm not overclocking? How loud is the Wraith Prism?
>How loud are the stock case fans?
>Will the video card keep up with the rest of the system?
>If yes, which 560 should I get? I don't mind it being a little weaker as long as keeps cool and quiet.
>What difference does it make to get a more expensive HDD? (WD Black v Seagate Barracuda) How do the qualities change with price? Is it worth the extra money?
>Is the power supply good enough or will temps and noise improve with a 550W that has more headroom?
>Is 21:9 gaming viable with 3rd party tools like FlawlessWidescreen etc?

thanks nerds
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Hp2Kq4

>> No.66390754

Don't feel like making an account and adding all that stuff. This is the build I have parted out right now. Thoughts? Anything you'd change?

PC:

Intel® Core™ i7-8700K Processor (6x 3.70GHz/12MB L3 Cache) - Intel® Core™ i7-8700K

Asetek 550LC 120mm Liquid Cooling System - Standard 120mm Fan -

16 GB [8 GB X2] DDR4-3000 Memory Module

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti - 11GB - EVGA SUPERCLOCKED 2 GAMING iCX (VR-Ready)
ASUS TUF Z370-PLUS GAMING -- Aura RGB, 2x PCIe x16, 2x USB 3.1 Gen2, 2x USB 3.1 Gen1, 2x USB 2.0

Power Supply 600 Watt - Standard 80 PLUS GoldAdvance

240 GB WD Green SSD

2 TB HARD DRIVE 7200RPM


Display:
Acer Predator XB271HK (4K 27inch)

>> No.66390763

>>66390663
Prebuilts are just not a good idea, especially if you don't know what to look for. Most of them will try to sell you old trash for premium prices. I can't count how many times I've seen old FX builds with a GT 730 going for over 500€. Most shops will offer you to build your stuff for much less money.

>> No.66390769

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/oshirigami/saved/22sd6h

Is this still a good build for video editing, gaming, and encoding? I want something quite good but not over the top. Don't really know anything about assembling PCs, just searched the archive and saw this recommended a lot.

>> No.66390798

>>66390557
this build doesnt have rgb

>> No.66390832

How does a total noobie begin overclocking without frying his components?

>> No.66390869

$1,500 ish Use is mainly for Gaming and occasional vm. Using a 1440p 60hz monitor and storage from my current build since I just upgraded that a year ago.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MGLC8Y

>> No.66390913

>>66390869
If you want to shave a few shekels on your fans you can opt for the REDUX version which is basically grey fans without the noise-dampening accessories. Also consider the Thermalright TRUE Spirit 140 POWER. It's a non-BLOATMAXXED version of the D15.

>> No.66390921

>>66390685
>>66390763
I just want a PC so I can game with my friends who all left xbox damnit T_T
>tfw it was my idea to go PC masterrace in the first place but I'm last to upgrade because I won't let myself buy something that isn't considered some of the best.

>> No.66390934

Is stupid match a Ryzen 2700x with a B350 tomahawk?

>> No.66390942

>>66390921
just build one
it's cheaper if you want to save money
you get better stuff if money isn't an object
and it's piss easy

>> No.66390963

>>66390921
Just build one you dummy. It's literally legos

>> No.66390971

R2600X/B450 mobo or R1600/B350 and use cost savings to buy a better monitor?

>> No.66391045

>>66390934
Yes.

>> No.66391051

The 1080 kind of feels retarded to get compared to a 1070ti. The video's I've been watching usually show a super negligible performance increase between the two cards, like 2%-6% on most games where the cards are like 10% difference in price.

>> No.66391057

hey friends, /hsg/ 404'd as i was typing, so please dont >>> me
I'm looking to build a general purpose home server, and I'd like some advice on hardware.
Where is a good place I can pick up used pc parts for cheap?
Secondly, what's a good chipset/processor I can build around that is popular and works well for a home server? My last processor was skylake-e and I can't find a mini-itx board at all, so I would like to avoid that kind of situation.
thanks

>> No.66391059

I want a cheap ssd to put windows in it. Is the kingston 120gb good? I noticed it has slower write speed does this effect the boot time?

>> No.66391065

>>66391045
why?

>> No.66391104

>>66384656
I have no idea. You'd have to look up reviews.
>>66384664
15% more for 2600X is normal. Go with that.

>>66384735
Your CPU isn't capable of doing 60fps minimum in everything you play even if you put settings on lowest, does it? Doesn't it stutter?
I wouldn't upgrade to more than a 1050Ti or RX560 until you upgrade CPU.

>>66385320
Not as bad as Patriot.

>>66385541
>Ryzen users spoiled by low temps and think 60C is hot

>>66386511
It's mATX's fault you bought a PCI wifi card instead of a USB one which'll allow you to distance the antenae from the case for better signal ???
There are also m.2 options for both USB hubs and wifi with external cords.
Anyway, the b350m pro4 should allow that. Wifi in x1, and usb hub in the bottom x8.

>>66391057
>Secondly, what's a good chipset/processor I can build around that is popular and works well for a home server
Not sure. Weren't those previous Xeon W's super fast? Like 5### ones. Not the new ones with mesh.

>>66391051
Yes. 1070Ti is 95% the cores, same ROPs, for cheaper. Getting a 1080 is generally a retard move.
Though if you don't have a adaptive sync monitor, getting a 1070Ti over Vega56 is an even more retarded move given Freesync.

>>66391065
4 phases.

>>66390869
Just use stock cooler until you feel it's not good enough.
Get 650w PSU.

>>66390754
You don't need an account to use pcpp

>>66390732
>https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Hp2Kq4
Either get the Pro model or get cheaper SSD.
Would 1440p not cost much more? If you're not gaming, 1440p is much nicer for productivity like DAW.

>> No.66391120

>>66390934
This was with the Arctic so it's I'd assume it's the same as the normal Tomahawk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8MDhARk0ec
If you can afford it get one with better VRMs like the Strix B350-F or the B350 Krait

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>>66391104
I have no idea which one to even get. What card is likely to have the best quality, not necessarily performance, I'm looking for good fans and stuff so that I don't have to worry about the card dying.

>> No.66391188

RX550 on sale for $70
>https://www.bestbuy.com/site/xfx-amd-radeon-rx-550-core-edition-4gb-gddr5-pci-express-3-0-graphics-card-black/5982203.p?skuId=5982203
It's barely better than the 2400G APU. RX560 and 1050 are almost 2x its performance.

RX560 on sale for $100
>https://www.bestbuy.com/site/xfx-amd-radeon-rx-560-4gb-gddr5-pci-express-3-0-graphics-card-black/6183042.p?skuId=6183042
Get it before it disappears for anyone who doesn't need 1080p maxed settings shit or plays more optimized games.

i5-8500 on sale for $175.
>https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i5-8500-Coffee-Lake-6-Core-3-0-GHz-4-1-GHz-Turbo-LGA-1151-300-Seri/292468646827?epid=14018210511&hash=item44187d63ab:g:Iw0AAOSwsotamVxf
Worth it over the 8400 at that discount.

R5 2600 and 2600X are also $10 off on Amazon.
>https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Processor-Wraith-Stealth-Cooler/dp/B07B41WS48/
>https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-Processor-Wraith-Cooler/dp/B07B428V2L/

For 8 more hours, Newegg also has a big sale on previous gen Ryzen processors. I would recommend them for gaming, but they are good for home server, dedicated video encoder mITX boxes, workstation, etc. $200 for the 1700.

Vega56 Strix (one of the best ones) $500 at Microcenter in store.
Around $530 online normally, I think.

>> No.66391192

>>66391057
Also, I thought about buying a poweredge on eBay to salvage parts from. Is this something people do? Or will I not save money on this?

>> No.66391210

Should I struggle to get a LGA 775 MOBA with 2133Mhz RAM support? or should I stick to my 800Mhz ?

I don't fully know RAM too well outside of space usage, so I don't know its uses very well.

>> No.66391228

>>66391179
Are these Canada prices? Seem kinda low for Canada but high for USA.

The Red Dragon actually isn't bad because it has nano PCB and there is a lottery on them for getting Samsung HBM.
Same is true for the Pulse. So actually get that one.
Strix and Red Devil are good ones but too expensive.

>quality
Sapphire. That backplate on it looks so nice, too. You will want to undervolt it after you get it, though.

>> No.66391252

>>66391228
I have tax included, they're US prices.

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>>66390869
D15 is not the AM4 compatible version
Motherboard could be better
WAY too high price on video card
Memory is too expensive and might not even be B-die
A14 makes more sense than A15 as case fan (unless you want a triple-fan D15 but even then you should only do one A15)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QgFJnH
>>66390934
Tomahawk does not have good enough VRMs do do meaningful OC
>>66390971
You could be 2600 and B450
Don't buy last gen parts unless you get a supreme discount
>>66391059
Boot relies on read speed, not write. However please don't buy an SSD that's smaller than 480GB since they are awfully overpriced

>> No.66391286

>>66391104
>getting a 1070Ti over Vega56 is an even more retarded move
>https://de.pcpartpicker.com/search/?cc=de&q=Vega+56

>> No.66391297

>>66391276
>Don't buy last gen parts unless you get a supreme discount
ok thanks

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66391321

hey guys, how do i connect my GPU to this PSU, do i use a single rail or do i split the load between two rails? the GPU i have is an Asus hd5850 cirectCu Top which i'm planning to replace as soon as prices drop™.

>> No.66391380

>>66391210
Your current RAM is 1600, not 800. DOUBLE Data Rate. Not worth your effort for the extra 533MHz.

>>66391192
Used is becoming less worth it as all applications and windows itself are more demanding. Unless you're one of those people who can meticulously keep your PC optimized to run well, 4c/4t are generally suffering lately.
But if you find a Devil's Canyon i7 or newer for <$350, go for that, basically.

>>66391252
Oh. CA tax? I buy from Newegg without tax but I think CA has it.
Go for the Pulse.
I also see Strix for $530 from Newegg.

>>66391321
Splitting it will have slightly lower ripple and load on the rail usually.

>>66391286
Thanks for the backup.
>€1007.84 total
€578.84 for vega 56 + €429 for 144hz 1440p Freesync IPS is indeed much cheaper than
>€1171.87 total
€482.93 for 1070 ti + €688.94 for 144hz 1440p Gsync IPS

You also get much cheaper 75Hz 1440p IPS monitors with Freesync, while there is no such option for Gsync, to save another 100 or 200 Euro more over that 171 initial savings.
That's what you wanted to point out, right? You can't possibly be some retard who can't do math who was trying to say the former option was more expensive, right?

>> No.66391411

>>66391276
couldn't find the am4 version of the d15 on pcpp. What is the benefit of the better mobo? Video card was $500 but it looks like it just went up in price, but imo it's worth $500 because of the cooler. Memory is listed as the fastest 16gb kit on asrock qvl list for both the board in my list and the taichi.

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>>66391286
Just cuz your prices suck doesn't mean that it's true for the rest of us
Difference between an ok Ti and an ok Vega is $20
>>66391321
I think both you should stick to using the ones labeled as the same thing

>> No.66391457

>>66391188
Do you mean wouldn't recommend them?
Not trying to be a grammarnazi I'm just dumb and unsure.

>> No.66391459

>>66391380
I would rather pay 200 less for a 1070ti and have 10% more perfomance without a gsync monitor than have vega 56 with freesync. Anyone who prioritizes adaptive sync over perfomance is retarded

>> No.66391480

>>66391415
God I wish Astolfo was my bf

>> No.66391501

>>66391415
The funny thing is, DE prices don't suck. That Anon is just too stupid to be able to add two numbers together.
Prices are completely comparable to US ones. Just like 5% higher for everything. Same value proposition.

>>66391459
1070Ti doesn't have 10% more performance, but ok do it. It's your money to waste if you want to spend 17% more for 0% more performance but to simply *~believe~* you have more performance because you're retarded enough to compare 1070Ti to the slower reference Vega 56 that you can't even buy.
I don't care. Just don't lie to others.

>>66391457
Huh? You mean the 1000 series? I made it clear what I recommend them for (:not gaming).

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66391511

These are the specs on my current pc which I've had since 2011. Is it worth upgrading with 8/16GB RAM and a second or third-gen i5? Or should I just save up and build a budget (550USD) Ryzen pc?

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>>66391411
Motherboard more efficient and uses higher quality components so it will last longer, run cooler, and potentially hold up an OC better although most X470 boards can do that fine
No, the 1070 Ti is N O T worth that much. MSRP is $450 and I don't even consider it to be worth that. The Vega I suggested is probably better anyway
Also, the memory kit you have listed may be on QVL but if it isn't B-die it costs WAY too much and the kit I labeled is definitely B-die and also cheaper.
(With B-die QVL is pointless)
>>66391511
Ryzen, definitely. Your PC is far too old to be sinking cash into.

>> No.66391564

>>66391511
It's not worth upgrading anything pre-Haswell. Even 2700k really falls behind now days with the much lower IPC. Given DDR3 prices are also stupid, I'd say it's just not worth upgrading what you have. Especially since your board doesn't support k CPUs.

Given your budget, maybe keep graphics card until prices go down further?
You could also try selling your entire PC and getting a 2400G which has an iGPU more powerful than your current graphics card.
Your budget is so small. Maybe if you snag that $100 RX560 before they disappear, and factor in getting like $100 selling your PC (going to be hard with no SSD and only 4GB, I think..) for $650 total. But if not, you can still make a 2400G PC for under $550.

>> No.66391604

>>66390597
Raise the PSU wattage

>> No.66391611

>>66390663
I used velocity micro for my prebuild

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>>66391554
Thanks for clarifying and the list changes.

>> No.66391726

Should I get the MSI X470 Gaming Pro or Plus motherboard? If both choices are shit, is there a better cheaper one?

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>>66391501
How am i paying 17% more? as i said i would rather have a non gsync monitor for 270€ less than vega 56 and freesync. If the price difference in US is $20 sure its worth paying that extra for having adaptive sync but trying to say this for EU prices is retarded

>> No.66391792

>>66391564
>>66391554
Thanks. The budget is just the basics, I made a draft list https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FwQgnH
I was planning on keeping the 660ti as well as the hard drives for a while before upgrading those

>> No.66391798

Why does the OP keep shilling for AMD
Can't we have both options?

>> No.66391832

>>66391798
He probably gets paid

>> No.66391867

>>66391104
there's too many xeon processors man, im not sure which ones you are talking about but they seem way too expensive. I dont really want to spend more than ~120 on the processor, whole thing should be under 800 dollars

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>>66391726
Whichever is cheaper. They are both decent for the price, but the master SLI/ac has more phases, Wi-Fi, and SLI support.
>>66391792
Newegg has a giant sale on the 1700:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113428&cm_re=Ryzen-_-19-113-428-_-Product
>>66391798
The OP gets really close to text limit
8500 is ok has good price currently but that won't last long and the 8700 only makes sense for a tiny amount of people (so not worth including)
If you're buying into Z370 it only makes sense to get the 8700K since it's the best value unlocked chip

>> No.66391893

>>66391832
>>66391798
Samefag nigger

>> No.66391936

same anon posting again, still havent fixed RAM issues (cant go past 2400 on new Ryzen build)

im pretty sure ive exausted every option to try and fix it by this point. how do i determine the real culprit? could i just be the ram itself (it ran fine at 2666 in my old intel build though), the CPU (bad memory controller? someone suggested that), or the mobo (?)

I bought the CPU and mobo on the 1st of this month so I'm still in return period. RAM is older but has lifetime warrenty, so I'm gonna talk to their support team tomorrow to see if I can get a replacement kit.

this has been such a big headache.

>> No.66391950

Is this an ok build?
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/wBZVw6

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>>66391936
Did you enable XMP (and set to correct speed)?
Did you set the correct DRAM voltage?
>>66391950
1600 is old
A320 is the worst thing you could possibly buy
550 is APU tier graphics
Monitor should be FreeSync

>> No.66392022

>>66390754
>8700K
>120mm AIO
I mean, I'm sure it'll manage for light use, but load that thing up and it'll be throttling in no time.

>> No.66392052

>>66391770
just ignore the amd shill

>> No.66392062

What is a good freezing cold reliable FSB 1333 LGA 775 MOBA with 8GB+ DDR2?

>> No.66392072

>>66391770
>but this example with outtathabox hardware!
1070ti is better if you're too inept to fiddle voltage and clockspeed settings. Vega56 is better if you're not.

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>>66390754
You don't need an account lol
Just make the list
>>66392062
None of them since they're old as dirt

>> No.66392093

What do you think of getting a business desktop like an optiplex or elitedesk then plugging in a small graphics card. I know that some graphics cards draw too much power and will require replacing the psu but that's a pretty trivial issue. The cpu's >= i5 3*** seem pretty decent.

>> No.66392103

>>66392000
yes to both. manually input, and using those calculators also. i can get into windows, but it's not stable-- AIDA64 always throws errors, and bluescreens (there's been like 5 different types, all relating to ntoskrnl.exe)

im running 2400 atm and its fine. could it be windows, that's something i haven't considered.

>> No.66392135

>>66391188
>I would recommend them for gaming
>>66391501

>> No.66392174

>>66392093
If you find a Sandy or Ivybridge i5 or i7 Optiplex for nothing, they can be a great start. Just make sure to look for something with reasonable storage and at least 8gb ram already fitted to minimise spending. Something like a 1050ti that doesn't need external PCIe power would be a solid bet.

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>>66392093
It will work but consider that the CPU is already far outdated so you will need to save up the money to upgrade at some point
>>66392103
Sounds like your CPU isn't getting along with the dies (Micron, maybe?). This is mostly because old DDR4 is a lot worse than newer stuff, but if it's only the difference between 2666 and 2400.

>> No.66392303

>>66392174
what would you say is a good price. i've been seeing more and more optiplexes being sold with 8gb ram, 256 gb ssd or tb hdd and an 15 3470 or better for prices ranging from $200-300$.

>>66392224
>It will work but consider that the CPU is already far outdated so you will need to save up the money to upgrade at some point
i really just need something to hold me off for a year or so.

>> No.66392313

>>66392224
>>66392090
>>66392000
>>66391875
>>66391415
Please stop posting these images, it's making me sad for not having a lewd bf.

>> No.66392315

>>66392093
You can get away with it for now but we're entering a time where 4 cores won't cut it anymore. Newer games like Ghost Recon Wildlands already use 6 cores and will stutter on 4 core machines. It's essentially a dead end now.

Also, try to get a normal sized case. The slim cases suck because you're stuck with LP cards.

>> No.66392316

I know this is the most retarded thing ever but I'll just go on. Deciding on windows 7 vs windows 10. Are most programs better for windows 7 or windows 10? Also, is there a way to make windows 7 look like windows 10, if so, I think I might decide on getting that for my new pc

>> No.66392403
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>>66392313
Sucks for you lol
>>66392316
Older programs are more likely to work on 7 but 10 has its own exclusives that might be relevant

>> No.66392436

>GTX 1050 3GB 96bit bus width

Nvidia never ceases to disgust me with their bullshit.

>> No.66392459

>>66392315
i don't see myself playing any AAA games anytime soon. i will mostly stick to small indie games so as long as they aren't poorly optimized things should be fine.
>Also, try to get a normal sized case. The slim cases suck because you're stuck with LP cards.
is it easy to transfer the parts from one cases to another if i can get a better deal on a slim case (as in the price of a slim desktop leaves me with enough money to buy a solid case).

>> No.66392578

>>66390832
Google

>> No.66392617

>>66392224
Yes it's micron a die. So definitely the RAM then?

Also running memtest again as I'm about to sleep.

>> No.66392621

>>66392303
>what would you say is a good price. i've been seeing more and more optiplexes being sold with 8gb ram, 256 gb ssd or tb hdd and an 15 3470 or better for prices ranging from $200-300$.
If you can get away with the inclusion of an i7, SSD and 8gb of ram on the lower end of $200-300, you'd already be off to a great start. But as the other guy was mentioning, 4 cores is bare minimum these days, so I'd definitely focus on finding something with a 2600 or 3770 i7. I disagree with the other guy in the sense of Sandy/Ivybridge being outdated. It's a few generations old sure, but is still every bit as relevant when paired with a low/midrange GPU like a 1050ti. Especially if you can get a whole system cheap.
Other options like looking for secondhand gaming PC's can be a good option with previously mentioned 3770s and even 4770s being good value. It also opens up the possibility of unlocked chips for simple overclocking. Pair a 4770k/Z97 board up with a secondhand GTX970 and you'll have a solid gaming PC.

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>>66390557
rate me and my mates shitbox
>2700x
>1080 (shitting itself)
> 16gb 3200 flare-x cl14

>> No.66392684

using an fx8350
need new mobo ram and cpu
dont want to spend more then $300
is anything worth it or just wait it out?

>> No.66392688

>>66392665
Not enough RGB

>> No.66392695

>>66392665
>footfag
>no RGB
That's some faggot feet right there

>> No.66392701

>>66392688
i-i turned them off what colors would you like to see?

>> No.66392720

>>66390557
Is my 4690k still a decent processor. I have it paired with a 1050ti and cant bf4 on ultra.

>> No.66392721

>>66392701
Pink would really complement the shitty cable management.

>> No.66392743
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>>66392695
>rgb makes me not a faggot
Uh
>>66392721
>thinks thats bad
this is before my mate tidied it up

>> No.66392762

>>66392720
no
i had mine maxxed out with a 770 and 390x back in the day 2014-2016
even my 1600x bottlenecked my 1080 i have now so that gives you some idea

>> No.66392772

>>66390557
Howdy, I asked earlier about a 4 sessions windows 2012 server PC and I got the following:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ckQ3w6

Can it be improved? Or is anything else missing?

>> No.66392776

>>66392720
drop in a 4790K its around the same as a mid level zen and overclocks better

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>>66392459
Personally I like the slim "SFF" Optiplex. The other poster's right, you are limited to low profile cards, but there's options out there.
The 1050ti in pic related fits with included low profile expansion slot adapter
https://youtu.be/2w45ZOcXXzs

>> No.66392797

>>66392778
SHORTBOI

>> No.66392812

>>66392772
>8350
>2018
>Supporting amd's worst dozer cpu
why?

>> No.66392860

>>66392812
i need a cheap 8 core processor, best I could find. What's an alternative?

>> No.66392901

>>66392860
1700 you fucking muppet go get one used they dont overclock and are cheap

>> No.66392975

>>66392901
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wyhDjy
Better?

>> No.66392984
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66392984

Can someone please explain what the fuck is going on here?

>> No.66392996

>>66392901
>they dont overclock
All Ryzen chips are unlocked, the 1000 series won't OC as much as the new ones
>>66392975
I'd get this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ccwt3b

>> No.66393021

>>66392996
exactly they are a safe bet

>> No.66393026

>>66392996
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ccwt3b
Oh wow, thanks anon :)

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>>66392617
Yeah it's definitely just the memory being old and less compatible
>>66392984
Some models never get more stock so the price stays the same as it was months ago

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>>66391798
I was under the impression that the 8700K was from Intel

>> No.66393171

Are Ryzen and Intel i CPUs really as different as people make it out to be overall?

Asking elsewhere makes it sound like Ryzens will run games terribly, but Intel i7's will struggle to run photoshop with more than a few layers.

>> No.66393190

>>66393171
>Are Ryzen and Intel i CPUs really as different as people make it out to be overall?
No

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>>66392860
The Ryzen 7 1700 is on sale for $200 but only for today
>>66393171
Nowadays they are fairly close, but there are some key differences:
-architecrure (i.e. infinity fabric vs ringbus)
-price per core
-locked chips on the Intel side
-thermal interface
-ECC compatibility (some Intel have support and others don't, AMD in general has it but it isn't good)
-Socket support

>> No.66393278

Every thread now has chicks with dicks
It is tearing me apart, I did not come here to look at benis.

>> No.66393290
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66393290

Crypto will be finished when the next gen GPU hit the market right?

>> No.66393297

>>66393171
If you have lots of disposable income and don't care about paying premium prices for those 5 fps more, go with Intel. If you want the best bang for your buck, go with AMD. Ryzen will run your games just fine.

That said, Intel really missed the core train and struggle to keep up at the moment. A Ryzen 6 core CPU will run modern games much smoother than an Intel 4 core CPU even with the frame rate being a bit lower.

>> No.66393329

>>66393290
Crypto won't go away. It might completely shift to dedicated ASICS machines, making itself independent from graphic cards though.

>> No.66393340
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66393340

Recently I asked whether it was straightforward to remove the molex adapter from my case fan in order to plug them directly in the motherboard (3-pin headers in my case). Someone here replied it was, and on the internet many people seem to say that it's trivial, but I cannot for the life of me find a tutorial for doing exactly that. Anybody know of one somewhere, or care to show pictures or something? I don't think I'll be comfortable cutting any of the wiring otherwise.

I might instead consider buying a molex to 3-pin fan socket adapter, but those are surprisingly expensive (and they all seem to be male-to-male, whereas I would instead require female-to-male if I'm not mistaken). I might just give up and plug the molex in my PSU instead.

>> No.66393358

>>66393329
good, i mean it already has since cards are falling back down to retail and are back in stock

>> No.66393382

>>66393026
No problem, if you could save up $20 more and you're near a Microcenter get a Strix B350-F

>> No.66393396

>>66393340
You mean your case fan only has a molex to power it? Or it also has a 3-pin? If the former, just get a new fan. You'll spend more time and effort cutting wires and trying to splice over a 3 pin connector than you would just buying a cheap $8 replacement.

As for plugging a 3 pin fan into your motherboard, you won't have any control over the speed of the fan. Only 4-pin PWM fans can have that done. 3 pins require voltage inhibitors or dedicated fan controllers to change speeds. With molex/3-pin, the fan is either on or off. No in between.

>> No.66393444

>>66393396
>You mean your case fan only has a molex to power it?
The case only comes with a molex adapter meant for the PSU (or at least, I think it does, I haven't actually received the case yet). The case also comes with 3 fans.

> 3 pins require voltage inhibitors or dedicated fan controllers to change speeds.
I thought changing voltage for 3-pin connections was relatively simple in the BIOS?

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>>66393297
>A Ryzen 6 core CPU will run modern games much smoother than an Intel 4 core CPU even with the frame rate being a bit lower.
Make that an Intel 6 core

>> No.66393525

>>66393451
This again. I will say it again incase some new people fall for your shill.

Theres $80 difference between the 2 and in the video he mentions the 8400 is by far the best for gaming.

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>>66393290
Crypto is basically done now lol
>>66393451
>>66393525
Can you retire these arguments already? It's obvious that most people don't buy higher than 3200 memory, but an all-core OC to 4.1 or 4.2 would make the 2600 better regardless of memory

>> No.66393715

Question: I managed to come into some https://ark.intel.com/products/64615 Would it be worth it to make a build with two of these? Cheapest motherboard with two slots is about $350. Could this support a good setup for mild gaming/ video editing or would I have to find a more modern processor?

>> No.66393850

Going through with this build, anything fucked or missing?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/alertdotexe/saved/3zTpgs

>> No.66393868

>asrock B85M
>r9 380
>i5 4460

i havent run into much issues with this build so far but its been 2 years so im feeling its time to upgrade this shit. thoughts?

>> No.66393964

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fhWYdX

pretty much final build, how does it look? I have a large hdd and a 600w power supply to throw in here. any reccomendations? 1350 USD budget, want to upgrade later when I get some more money. (throwing in a large ssd is next priority.)

>> No.66394018

Going to try and cram a 1080 TI Asus Strix into a 250D, wish me luck.

Also why the fuck did they have to stop manufacturing this case, the alternatives are ugly as hell aside from like the H200I if you can tolerate a clear side panel.

>> No.66394043

>>66391770
Wow, are you really this fucking bad at math?
1171.87 euro is ~17% more than 1007.84 euro?

Nice your source is some dumbass who changes methodology and games tested every week to get the results he wants for the clickbait that week. You're in good company.

>moving goalposts to non-adaptive sync because you're blind and can't see screen tearing.
Recommendations don't assume people are blind. Would assume blind people don't even need a video card since they'll primarily utilize text to speech and such.

>>66391792
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FwQgnH
I'd get 2x4GB of RAM and a 500GB SSD. You can add more RAM later, but transfering over to new SSD can be more of a pain.
Also wait for PSU sales. You can often get 550W semi-modular or fully modular, sometimes even gold rated, for around $35.

>>66393621
People do when they play to upgrade to 7nm to get more out of their board and how much they're paying for memory.
But for very cheap builds with 2666 RAM, yeah 8400 isn't bad. Though nor is cheap Ryzen CPU as fast RAM is likely to matter less on the next generation.

>>66393868
Just upgrade CPU imo. Your graphics card is still pretty alright other than perf/watt.
My 7970 was bottlenecked by my i5-2500k, so I imagine you could be in the same situation with a 4460.

>> No.66394138

>>66393964
Motherboard is overkill depending on how much you're planning on upgrading, especially so depending on if you don't plan on overclocking.

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>>66393715
Nope those are fucking awful
Comparable to a single 2200G but probably worse
>>66393964
Not bad, but two minor problems:
4x4 memory takes up more slots than 2x8 and offers no performance gain since AM4 has 2 memory channels maximum
WD Black is not worth it over WD Blue or MX500

>> No.66394184

>>66394144
>since AM4 has 2 memory channels maximum
Not him, but what does that mean exactly? What exact difference is there between having 2 dimms and 4 dimms (assuming they're the exact same model, on a dual-channel board with 4 dimm slots).

>> No.66394224

What cheap 144hz monitor do you anons recommend to buy? By cheap I mean the cheapest one that you think is worth the price

>> No.66394267

>>66393525
Actually the kit used for the 8400 (F4-3200C14D-16GFX) is slightly more expensive than the one used for the 2600 (F4-3400C16D-16GSXW) but since they tested a B360 motherboard they were limited to 2666MHz

>> No.66394280

>>66394184
It means some boards have two dimm slots per channel and some have one. Whether all slots within a channel are populated makes no difference to performance if the capacity is the same (say 1x8gb vs 2x4gb). Sometimes a smaller capacity stick with a similar clock speed may have an ever so marginally better latency, but it's a near on immeasurable performance advantage.
I can understand if your motivation for choosing a 4x4 kit over a 2x8 kit is more for aesthetic reasons, but it comes at the cost of expandability... If you'd ever need more than 16gb.

>> No.66394396

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

All good? its going to be my second build so im still a noob in this

>> No.66394409

>>66394018
>case accommodates GPUs up to 290mm
>GPU is 298mm
Goodluck... On the upside if it does fit, that case is well designed for keeping GPUs cooled.

>> No.66394424

>>66394396
You didn't actually link your specific list :P
Try again

>> No.66394441

>>66394424
oh sorry, https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M6BDw6

>> No.66394448
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Best Z370 mobos?

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>>66394409
It's doable, just will probably be a big pain in the ass and have to give up front intake fan

>> No.66394469

>>66394144
>>66394184
>4x4 memory takes up more slots than 2x8 and offers no performance gain since AM4 has 2 memory channels maximum
AMD's memory controller has always preferred 2DR>4SR>2SR, actually.
It's only like a 2% performance improvement of 4SR over 2SR, but if you know you won't need more than 16gb(probably won't), and it's the same price, it's fine.

It's not the sort of benefit you get with actually using 4 channels, but it's measurable.

>> No.66394506

>>66394448
i also want some air coolers recommendation pls

>> No.66394548

>>66394506
You're going to need to tell us what the form factor is (ATX, mATX, ITX) and the clearance you have for the cooler

>> No.66394564

>>66394448
>>66394506
Something that's at least 5 true phases, if it's for a 8700k.

>> No.66394574

>>66394548
ATX
here are the dimensions WxHxD 8.78x20.24x20.59

>> No.66394612

>>66394574
Hyper 212 is still good, Noctua NH-D15 if you have room, Cooler Master MA610P. But if youre willing to spend 60 then I'd look into something like the Corsair H60 AIO or the H80.

If you need very low profile then Noctua NH-L9I

>> No.66394629

Which part gets little attention but probably the most questions? CPU coolers,fans, cases, RAM, or PSUs?

>> No.66394645

>>66394629
Probably PSUs, people seem to end up buying PSUs that highly exceed what they actually need. You'll see 1000w PSUs for something like a 1080 TI and i7 8700k and a couple hard drives.

>> No.66394647
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>>66394396
>>66394441
How about not buying so many case fans and instead getting better parts
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2rqqdX
>>66394469
Well for a difference that small the 2 sticks would be likelier to bin similarily and OC farther

>> No.66394723

I'm thinking about selling my 390 to a friend and buying an r9 fury available in my area with the money. ($200)
Is this a bad idea? Will I regret this and want my extra 4gb vram and saucy hawaii double precision back?

>> No.66394770

>>66394647
>Well for a difference that small the 2 sticks would be likelier to bin similarily and OC farther
Yeah, this is true. 4 usually won't run as fast.

>>66394723
Don't imo. Memory controller on the fury sucks and it stutters worse than normal when it runs out of VRAM.
Save for Vega or wait for it to maybe hopefully get cheaper. Vega is so much better than Fury.
Fury isn't much better than a 390X at 1080p, either, while also not having the VRAM for 1440p. They have the same 64 ROPs at around the same IPC iirc.

>> No.66394784

8350k or 8400?

>> No.66394814

>>66394784
stop drinking beer and/or eating out for lunch for a week and just get an i7 8700 with the savings

>> No.66394818

>>66394564
any recommendations?

>> No.66394827

>>66394814
I can't it's mom's money

>> No.66394860
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>>66394629
Fans and cases are mainly superficial
RAM in a lot of builds is lacking or people spend way too much for RGB
I've seen a fuckton of dumb CPU cooling ideas, especially with the 7700K and 8700K, probably the most common but tied for worst mistake people tend to make with overspending on video card when similar or better options exist for less
PSUs are a dice roll where a few people invest way too much and a few more get something really cheap
>>66394723
Why would you buy an old card though
Especially if you already have one and can wait for money and/or new releases
>>66394784
8350K stutters in the more CPU intensive games
8400 is better all around but does not make much sense compared to Ryzen 2600/X
I nominate the 2600 or that ebay deal on the 8500 as best options in the price range
>>66394818
Depends on how much you're willing to spend
Maximus is the best but the price reflects that, Taichi and whatever Gigabyte put their funding into are about as good/better in some areas and cheaper
And below that you get lots of reused Z270 which is suboptimal for OC

>> No.66394879

>>66394784
>>66394860
What he said. But tell your mom to just give your more money for the good boy points you've saved up

>> No.66394891

>>66394860
Can only afford a $80 mobo if im getting 2600. Whats the best one?

>> No.66394971
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>>66394224
I usually recommend the cheapest FreeSync one unless you already have an NVIDIA card in which case the cheapest one that doesn't have poor reviews
>>66394891
Tomahawk is pretty ok and around that price/goes on sale for $60
Pro4 is a step down from that and goes on sale in the 50s
Krait/Strix/Pro Carbon have the best VRMs so if you can find any sort of deal on them they are great value

>> No.66395020
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Is this an ok build?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6GwrGG

>> No.66395063

>>66394860
>I've seen a fuckton of dumb CPU cooling ideas
what do you think of the Dan Case?
https://www.dan-cases.com

>> No.66395066

>>66394469
Fair enough, lessons learnt.

>> No.66395082

So, because I wasn't careful, I just found out that the new graphics card I bought requires 2x 8pin connectors instead of 6pin. It's a 250W graphics card, so I'm not going to attempt the grounding trick on the two six pins to fool it into being 8 pins.

So.
What power supply should I get? I'm estimating 400W-420W usage under load.

>> No.66395099

>>66394971
Thanks i will think about it. Something else, does the 8400 go randomly on max frequency (4ghz) it depends on workload or you make it stay at that frequency?

>> No.66395100

>>66395082
Also, I did the math and unclocked, the 980Ti I bought takes about 250W under load. Did I do that math right? Could I theoretically get some 6 pin converters and be just fine with a good 500W power supply?

>> No.66395159
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>>66395020
Your case can do a 360mm rad which I strongly recommend over 240
Would go for the G3 750 PSU
Perhaps a 1TB SSD for not much more?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4Qw7YJ/crucial-mx500-1tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-ct1000mx500ssd4
Otherwise it's very solid
>>66395063
Completely fanless? Not great for mITX since they tend to have underpowered VRMs and bad heatsinks to match, at least for Coffee Lake overclocking
Ryzen or locked chips could do well though, especially with the Wraith coolers since they blow over the heatsinks
>>66395099
The 8400 will ramp up to 4GHz if you put stress on it like a game or benchmark
You cannot directly manipulate the turbo except for turning it off entirely.
>>66395082
>>66395100
G3 750
Also, please don't use converters. It's a good way to have your rig go up in flames. Even if they are well made you still add resistance and are aesthetically unappealing. Also 500W is gonna be very close to triggering OCP and having system shutoff during load which would make benchmarking/stress testing OC impossible or just very inconvenient

>> No.66395175

>>66395159
Okay, I'll upgrade my power supply. Thank you.

>> No.66395185

>>66395159
Last question: do I really need 750 Watts? Would a 650 work just fine or is this for a power supply that will last for years to come?

>> No.66395237
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>>66395185
750 gives a comfortable amount of headroom, not to say that 650 won't do the job but it's less of an upgrade and the last thing you want is to buy a new part just to have it be inadequate.
Also, the 750 should quieter in general and also slightly more efficient at load which means a bit more longevity

>> No.66395243
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>>66394469
I think you are wrong. The official support for DDR4 on first gen Ryzen was like pic related. 2nd gen has better support, but the controller has the same characteristics and still best configuration for good memory speed is 2x single rank (2x8gb max) and going 4x4gb is even worse than 2x16gb for clocks.

>> No.66395246

>>66395237
Thank you!

>> No.66395339

https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16824475002?ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker%2c+LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566
Is this monitor good?

>> No.66395348
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>>66395243
What he means is that controlling for speed you will get best performance from 2 dual rank DIMMs
An SR kit at 3200 performs worse than a DR kit at 3200 even if the former can hit higher clocks
>>66395339
It's pretty good if you have a midrange or high-end AMD card

>> No.66395358

Transferring my build to a mini itx case, fucked up and bought 180$ worth of ddr4 i cant use bc theres no 1150 slots with ddr4. So i need a 1150 slot mini itx mobo recommendation. Cant seem to find any on amazon. Would like to keep it less than 200$

>> No.66395378

>>66395348
I think I'll say yes
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xH448d/msi-radeon-rx-580-8gb-armor-mk2-oc-video-card-rx-580-armor-mk2-8g-oc
Already ordered, just need a new monitor that's all

>> No.66395385

where is the cheapest place to buy a legit windows 10 key?
I'm building a budget PC for my brother and the stupid botnet OS will cost almost as much as the CPU
yes it's been awhile

>> No.66395409

>>66390557
ID on that cpu cooler OP ?

>> No.66395415

>>66395385
kinguin

>> No.66395451

>>66395415
okay thanks

>> No.66395459
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>>66395358
You're only gonna find a good deal on LGA-1150 if you check craigslist and maybe not even then
If you already have the DDR4 and plan to buy a motherboard you may as well also buy a current gen CPU desu since 1150 is not worth buying if you can help it
>>66395385
Kinguin but you should use their protection thing for a few dollars more
Ebay keys are likely to be illegitimate or be revoked for other reasons
>>66395409
Corsair Hydro H80 (120mm)
https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/Categories/Products/Liquid-Cooling/Hydro-Series™-H80-High-Performance-Liquid-CPU-Cooler/p/CWCH80

>> No.66395499

>>66390754
Don't get the ASUS TUF
Buy 3200C14
Get a reference 1080 TI + third party heatsink

>> No.66395522

>>66390754
>>66395499
While you're at it, get a CPU cooler, PSU, and SSD that aren't shit
And use pcpartpicker so we can see the prices

>> No.66395523

>>66395499
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpbWX7T7r5o#t=5m38s
63.8 C EVGA 1080 Ti heatsink
49.8 C Rajintek heatsink + thermal paste
46.6C Rajintek heatsink + liquid metal

>> No.66395525

>>66395358
What CPU are you using? Have you already got the CPU? There's a few refurbished Z87 and Z97 Asrock boards on eBay and Amazon for about $100-150, but then you've gotta buy a DDR3 kit on top of that. If you've already got the DDR4 kit depending what it is you'd probably be better off selling your CPU (presuming it's a 3770, 4770, 4790 or something worthwhile) on ebay and potentially getting another couple hundred dollars.
Put that toward a new H370/8400 Coffee Lake or B350/2600 Ryzen combination.

>> No.66395555

>>66395523
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_xqBidOjpQ#t=7m02s
Cheaper and comes with fans

>> No.66395563

What's the easiest way to run Linux alongside windows?

>> No.66395669
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66395669

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/W732kd

r8 and rec. graphics card is empty because I'll just run it on my old 770 until the new gen of NVIDIA cards comes out, or I'll pick up a 1060 6gb as a burner. I'm aiming for 1440p.

mainly for general use but I'll be playing some games, mostly singleplayer, not interested in super high FPS. budget isn't really an issue, but i'll go with the -70 equivalent from the new gen most likely.

>> No.66395672

>>66394647
b-but i love my pc fans

>> No.66395683

>>66395563
I only installed Mint and it automatically detected the Windows installation and asked me if I want to install it alongside with Windows. No hassles. I guess Ubuntu does the same.

>> No.66395720

>>66395669
Maybe look at a different memory kit. There are cheaper 3200 kits available but I don't know how compatible they are with your Mobo.

>> No.66395744

>>66395563
This belongs in the stupid questions thread.

>> No.66395749

>>66395720
any you could recommend? been out of the game of PC building for about 5 years. i was warned about mobo compatibility by a friend, but only that I have to pick it up physically and look for a sticker if I don't want to have to flash the BIOS.

>> No.66395761
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>>66395563
Like a VM? Doing hardware passthrough requires a host card alongside your main one if you don't have an iGPU though
Or do you mean putting Linux on a separate drive?
>>66395669
SSD is small, RAM is overpriced, and HDD is slow.
Don't know why you would get the NEX over the objectively superior G3 750
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r7LrGG
>>66395672
More than the PC they cool? That's what I thought.

>> No.66395829

Thinking on upgrading to the Ryzen 2600, I'm already on the 1600 my problem is that i lost the lottery and my 1600 can't go above 3.8ghz without needing serious voltage.

I can afford the 2600 no sweat but will it give me noticeable performance improvements?

my Gigabyte B350 Gaming 3 board already has bios out to support Ryzen 2000 CPU's

Is it easy for the 2600 to reach 4ghz OC?

>> No.66395878
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Hey /g/ just finished my new PC and got 2 questions:

1.What software should I use to check temps? (intel 8700k and nvidia gpu)

2.Is there a good site to educate myself about overclocking?
It's been a while since I last upgraded and I'm a little overwhelmed with all the new technologies and new OC features that exist.
I don't want to hit the auto OC button on my asus mainboard without knowing what all settings do.

>> No.66395911

>>66395878
1. CPU-ID and MSI Afterburner

2. >reddit and Youtube can be helpful overclocking these days consists of upping a few options not applying retarded voltage and making sure your cooler can handle it.

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>>66395761
call me retarded, but I hate black&red gaming branded shit. I mainly went with the ASUS motherboard for the aesthetic. thanks for the recs, though. anything else you consider essential? Is the Ryzen 2600X stock cooler good enough?

>> No.66395936

>>66392313
Go back to >>>/lgbt/

>> No.66395964

>>66395878
I hope you're going to delid your CPU because otherwise OC will be difficult.

>> No.66395990

>>66392665
cute feet

>> No.66395992

Newly built pc and my monitor cant detect it. I tried 3 in total and its all showing no signal (using hdmi)

>> No.66396061
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>>66395878
1. Coretemp
2. Youtube channels like Gamers Nexus, Bitwit, Jayztwocents, Linus Tech Tips
Auto OC is almost always garbage (not counting MCE which is a simple way to boost multicore performance)
>>66395934
The Gaming Pro is hardly red at all desu. MSI was surprisingly tasteful if you don't count the heatsinks which are closer to bricks than fins. Turn off the LEDs if you really care.
X470 is nice to have for the out of box support and free StoreMI
The 2600X has the Spire which can handle mild OC (using precision boost overdrive) but if you aren't interested then it will run stock settings like a champ
Harder OC to 1.3V+ would require a tower cooler or closed loop radiator
That about covers it.
>>66395992
If you aren't posting I'm pretty sure there are guides to fix it
Most commonly you didn't plug in a power connector, your BIOS doesn't recognize the CPU (on B350 and X370 with a 2000 series chip), or you haven't turned on your PSU.

>> No.66396076
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Looking for advice what I should upgrade?

>> No.66396082
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>>66396061
thanks for the help anon. i'll stick with MSI and the stock cooler.

>> No.66396085

>>66396076
Install Linux.

>> No.66396098

>>66396085
I actually am gonna do this

>> No.66396179

>>66395911
>>66396061
thx

>>66395964
I will eventually do that, for now I'm just trying how far I can get with a noctua nh-d15.
My right hand is currently fucked so I can't do stuff like delid.

>> No.66396186

>>66395525
I have a 4690k already not really looking to upgrade, i have 16gb of ddr3 ram already, im probably just gonna sell the ddr4 ram i bought. Didnt know it would be this hard finding a 1150 mini itx board

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>>66396076
Bigger SSD would be an improvement. Everything else is still OK unless you get a 144Hz or a higher resolution monitor
>>66396179
Would definitely suck to apply liquid metal with one hand although the delid itself could probably be done simple
>>66396186
Why wouldn't you sell it? You would be able to find a compatible board, use the memory you have already, and get considerably higher performance if you get a hexacore or octacore.

>> No.66396253

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qdBDw6
Please help me pick a case, it will affect my storage budget. I live with a dog that sheds and I don't vacuum constantly. I don't care about a window either way. I don't need a large case but I don't want a small case that's hard to work in or limits the cases usefulness. I live in a temperate state that's moderately humid, our house has a heater system but not an AC. Sound is basically a non issue, I'm not paying in functionality or money for sound dampening.

Around $320 for case and storage. Like I said though I'd rather have as much storage as possible.

>> No.66396282

>>66396229
I have the 4690k, 1070ti, and my ddr3 from my previous build, im just trying to transfer to a mini itx case. I bought the ddr4 by mistake and am gonna try to sell it but it will probably be at a loss, im just trying to find a mini otx 1150 board because i cant really swing spending 400$ on a new processor and a new mobo on top of that

>> No.66396318

>>66391511
Get used xeon, like e3 1245 v1/v2

>> No.66396332

>>66395525
Thanks anon, went ahead and did the refurb from amazon.

>> No.66396334

>>66395992
Are you sure your monitor is set to hdmi?

>> No.66396359
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>>66396253
G3 750 is same price
S340 has dust filters and allows you to allocate more to SSD and video card since $450 for a 1070 is pretty bad
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fgkckd
>>66396282
Well you are gonna spend on a new motherboard anyway sooooo it's really only the CPU that makes a difference and you can probably sell yours+DDR3 for a few bucks too

>> No.66396434

>>66396359
Ive been jumping around on graphics cards a lot but I think I'll just stick with the 1070. It's the card that fits best with how much I want to spend, my monitor+future proofing, and in reliability and consistency. I basically just want guaranteed 60 fps 1080p without the card getting pushed. The 1060 6gb is on the low end for future titles and the 1080/1070ti are like $600 and super overkill for what I need/want. The vega56 is radion and I'm not exactly confident in the performance/consistency across games or the pricing.

>> No.66396439

is there any benefit to buying a mobo for zen (and eventually zen 2) that was made recently as opposed to one made last year?

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>>66392665
Thanks im a facken hobbit cunt

>> No.66396696

would i lose performance in memory intensive workloads if i were to go from a qc ddr3 platform to dc ddr4?

>> No.66396744

>just get done building PC
>boot it up
>fucking flawless
>install Windows 10
>install some programs like antivirus and speccy
>run speccy
>almost have a heart attack after seeing a reading of fucking 89°c
>turn everything off
>take out CPU fan
>feels cold still, weird
>reapplied paste
>remount CPU fan
>turned off power to PC and unplugged it for a day
>cleaned out CPU fan
>adjusted CPU RPM
>try again
>it's still stupidly high
>install core temp instead
>34°c temperature reading
>reboot PC into bios
>check temperature readings there
>36°c
Who do I fucking trust???

>> No.66396781

>>66396744
Do a lighter stress test like Asus realbench. See what hapens. But I would trust BIOS temps.

Also you could consider updating bios if there's an update available.

>> No.66396786

>>66396744
Is the fan turning on even under load? Is the fan turning on while idle? Run with the case open and trust common sense to see if it's getting hot.

>> No.66396814

>>66396781
Just did that plus HWMonitor
35°c and 37°c respectively
BIOS is up to date since it was one of the very 1st things I did when I built this
>>66396786
The fan is turning on but not at high RPM. Like say 500ish
Case is currently open since I was rechecking the internals like 20 minutes ago. Heat sink feels cold still. Hoping it's just Speccy being fucky.
This is my 1st build and I don't want to screw it up this early

>> No.66396831

>>66396814
Heat doesn't magically not tranfser to the heat sink even with thermal paste.

>> No.66396841

>>66396744
Not speccy, trust your bios readings first of.

When I ran speccy a first time it said my cpu was running at 100 degrees while the bios and HWinfo saw it as 38-40ish. Even the amd monitor for these things gave an offset.

>> No.66396855

Recently just got a 8700k.

Its a great processor just wondering where I stand really. I overclocked it and used Realbench to test.

Got it to 4.8ghz @1.26v 78 degrees max temp

If I go any higher the temps worry me a bit.

4.9 @ 1.335v gave me 89 degrees max
[email protected] 1.36v gave me a 92 degrees max

these are too high arent they? for now at least.. im using a 212 evo.

Might de-lid in the future but thats going to cost me what, £40 for the delidder and at least another £100 on a good cooler.

What do you guys consider safe temperatures?

>> No.66396864

>>66396831
True enough.
I'm running Ryzen Master to check the CPU's status (it's a R5 2600x) and it's giving me a reading of 32.6°c - 34.17°c while Speccy is displaying fucking 120°c

>> No.66396872

>>66390557
>2933MHz+ is ideal; 3200 CL14 is B-die
anyone got some charts or something explaining what exactly I'm getting by buying 3200Mhz/CL14 flareX RAM as opposed to 2133MHz/CL15 "bargin" bin RAM?

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>>66391798

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>>66393621
>Can you retire these arguments already?
When you are such a shill you literally ask people to DELID DIS

>> No.66396920

>>66394448
Any X470 will do

>>66395020
fuck no

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>>66396855
>Got it to 4.8ghz @1.26v 78 degrees max temp
>If I go any higher the temps worry me a bit.
>4.9 @ 1.335v gave me 89 degrees max
>[email protected] 1.36v gave me a 92 degrees max

>> No.66396963

Noob here. Probably getting a better gpu black friday but thoughts?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2FwrGG

>> No.66396966

Is the Ryzen 1600, 1060GTX and a b350 motherboard the basic bitch of the pc building world?

>> No.66396969

I'm the anon from last thread that was replacing 90% of a 7 year old computer and using it for emulation and music. How does this look so far?

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/jjYckd

>> No.66396979

>>66396963
Seems okay. Maybe you could swap out the CPU for a 2600x since the stock cpu fan with that is pretty decent.

>> No.66396987

Should I go all out and get a Ryzen 7 2700x? I was thinking about Ryzen 5 2600 or 2600x but this one isn't that more expensive.

>> No.66397001

>>66396969
Music as in profession wise or just a side hobby, how much ram do your music programs eat up in the bg?

>> No.66397019

>>66396969


Avoid AMD for music production. The latencies are too big for DAW use.

>> No.66397021

>>66396987
It's only 80$ more expensive for me, so I think it's not a lot

>> No.66397037

>>66397001
just something in the backround as i browse the web. not very important

>> No.66397060

>>66397021
Fair enough my dude

>> No.66397064

>>66397037
Ah okay, I thought music production

>> No.66397066

Is it easier to install windows 8.1 with ryzen 2700 over windows 7? Ill take either or at this point. I wont be booting it often.

>> No.66397072

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/btDzK8/kingston-a400-240gb-25-solid-state-drive-sa400s37240g

This SSD any good? It's pretty cheap

>> No.66397176

>>66396966
In the west and particularly in the small DIY segment, sure.
Many people and most notably chinks will use APUs or el cheapo GPUs to play e-sports games and end up spending too much on microtransactions to actually upgrade their hardware.

>> No.66397242

>>66391228
Why undervolt the Sapphire?

>> No.66397287

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/xcqsKB

Bros is this a good upgrade from
i5 3470
Gigabyte mb
16GB 1600MHz DDR3

+ will keep GTX 1070

>> No.66397333

>>66396963
the 3gb 1060 is absolute shit either get a 4gb 580 or save up for the better version of the 1060

>> No.66397342

>>66390557


I've seen some people saying only to get a Samsung SSD. Any truth in that? Is getting a Western Digital or Crucial SSD going to ruin everything?

>> No.66397347

>>66397072
It's shit but it's an SSD..

>> No.66397362

I have a Ryen 7 1700, sitting on the stock cooler.
Is it worth it to buy an aftermarket cooler? I was thinking of an NH-D15 or some cool looking RGB AIO.

>> No.66397388

>>66397287
just realised motherboard won't support 3000Mhz RAM so dropped it back to 2400MHz

>> No.66397400

>>66397362
if you're overclocking, get the noctua. if not, the wraith spire is more than enough.

>> No.66397435

>>66390557

Any real difference in RAM brands?

I was about to buy some 2x8gb of DDR4 2666 Corsair RAM but I've just noticed some 1x8 GB Crucial DDR4 2666 RAM and buying 2 of those would be like £25 cheaper than the Corsair RAM.

>> No.66397495

>>66397435
Maybe they differ in CAS latency

>> No.66397575

>>66397342
>'ve seen some people saying only to get a Samsung SSD.
It's hands down the best and actually worth their price, relative to the market. >Is getting a Western Digital or Crucial SSD going to ruin everything?
Nope. it doesn't really matter.
>>66397333
>the 3gb 1060 is absolute shit
I can't complain. it's worth it for it's value.
t. 1060 3gb owner

>> No.66397640

>>66397342
samsung nands are denser which translates into a plain better drive in terms of longevity and capacity, but since prices don't necessarily reflect that and there is such a thing as an irrelevant kind of fast when it comes to ssds it doesn't really matter

>> No.66397643

>>66397495

They don't. As far as I can see they are the same. But I'm no expert on such things.

>> No.66397660

>>66397643
if the latencies are the same it's likely to be from the same oem, meaning you get to choose which plastic shroud you find the least ugly

>> No.66397826

>>66391409
>this isn't really any different to what AMD is doing with its X399 refresh boards in preparation for growing core count on TR+
Are you actually retarded?
Many X399 boards are going to work on the new 250W TDP CPUs with a BIOs update.

A good number of Z270 boards had capable enough VRMs for the 8700k and work with unofficial hacked BIOS. Intel just arbitrarily restricts them in anti consumerism.

>>66394818
Crosshair/Maximus.

>>66395020
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6GwrGG
Get 280mm radiator minimum. I prefer those over 360, actually.

>>66395243
That is outdated, and mem support is better but yes it's more difficult to run DR at higher speeds. But DR at 2933 is generally greater than SR at 3200. And if you can run it at the same speed, it's much faster.

>>66395499
Armor is also a good alternative to reference to replace the cooler on. As far as I'm aware, PCB is superior to reference.

>>66395563
Dual boot is easier. Passthrough VM with 2 monitors and GPUs is best.

>>66396987
2700X doesn't cost much more, but if you plan to jump on 7nm in less than a year, the $100 saved is still something.

>> No.66397878

To me it seems that Ryzen 3 1300X overclocked to 3.8-4GHz is the best cost/value choice.

Compared to Ryzen 5 1600/2600
>cheaper
>higher base clock for that single thread perf
>SMT is a meme for games
>games are generally optimized for 4 cores

I bet it also loses less value and obsoletes around the same time as 1600/2600.

Compared to anything Intel it wins by default since AM4 socket has a clear upgrade path to Zen 2 next year.

>> No.66397960

>>66397575
>I can't complain. it's worth it for it's value.
>3gb
outdated almost 5 years before it came out

>> No.66398073

>>66397960
>outdated almost 5 years before it came out
I wish I knew what you were talking about. The performance is suitable for current high quality settings aswell as it's extremely low on power draw and cheaper than their competitors.

>> No.66398074

>>66397878
4 threads is pretty meh. When it works, it's fine, when it doesn't and isn't enough threads for a smooth experience for what you're doing, it's awful. With the 2200G, it's not so bad, since you get a relatively (for the price) iGPU with it.

>wins by default since AM4 socket has a clear upgrade path to Zen 2 next year.
Well sure. For something to just hold you over until 7nm, it can't be beat. But I've seen 1600s on sale for like $165...

>SMT is a meme for games
This isn't true. There are 5 year old games which are stutter fests with only 4 threads. Crysis 3, Metro Last Light, etc. Even GTAV benefits a bit from 8 threads over 4.
There's even some games which do significantly better on the 0.1% minimums with 4c/8t than 6c/6t. I don't suspect this is much the case lately as devs are better at detecting how many threads you have and optimizing how many software threads to dispact for it, whereas lots of older games were just optimized for 8 and let windows schedule just double them up on 4c/4t and leave them uneven on 6c/6t, but still.

>> No.66398133

>>66394043
>>moving goalposts to non-adaptive sync because you're blind and can't see screen tearing.
>Recommendations don't assume people are blind. Would assume blind people don't even need a video card since they'll primarily utilize text to speech and such.
Lol, not that guy but you are a fucking shill. Sync is only needed on low refresh monitors like 60hrz. If you are using 120 or 144hrz monitor you absolutely don't need muh sync.

>> No.66398167

>>66398133
LMAO? How are you this retarded.
It doesn't matter on 60hz screens because you can stay locked at 60 fine. It's on high refresh screens that it matters.
No fucking wonder that adaptive sync and high refresh screens were coming out around the same time.

Don't call me a shill when you have no fucking clue what you're talking about in general.

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Any thoughts on option I've been given? Should i get a better MB or 650W power supply?

As for GPU i will probably get 1060 6GB

>> No.66398389

>>66398357
get a better psu oem like seasonic or antec
that motherboard must absolutely be replaced because it will 1) not boot with that cpu 2) be utterly unable to push any sort of overclock with that cpu

>> No.66398500

>>66398389
Thank you I appreciate the heads up, I absolutely don't want trouble like this down the line (or now)

>MB Gigabyte Z370M-DS3H LGA1151 DDR4 3866MHz OC

Would this MB too? As for PSU's I'm very limited, I don't think anter or seasonic brands are available here.

>> No.66398518

>>66398500
that one isn't compatible so you wouldn't be able to do anything with it
look for b450/x470
for psus look for a 80+ certified unit at the very least

>> No.66398574
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Currently I have pic related in my PC from 2012 (except the GPU which was bought recently).

I want to upgrade during the next 2-3 month. The only thing I'll use from my old PC is my 1060 until I can find a cheaper and better one.
PC will be used for gaming, editing (old version of premiere and after effects, and since a couple of month Nuke), gamedev (mostly unity) and streaming (pc games and gamedev work).

Here is what I want to upgrade to:

OS: Windows 10
CPU: i7-8700k or Ryzen 7 2700x (not yet decided, need to read more about it)
MB: MSI Z370 PC PRO or MSI X470 GAMING PLUS (depending on the CPU, since the 8700k is kind of a bitch)
GPU: MSI GTX 1060 Armor 3GB OC (keeping it from old PC)
RAM: 16GB G.Skill Aegis DDR4-2400 (or maybe 2x8GB since I heard some people say that this would be better)
SDD: 500GB Samsung 860 Evo (for OS and startup stuff)

All in all, this i kind of my ~800 bucks budged.
I'm fucking unsure if I should go for Intel (never had anything else) or for AMD (heard good things about it, but it is something "new" for me).
What do you guys think?

>> No.66398635

B450
WHEN

>> No.66398636

>>66398357
>deepcool PSU
yeah that is not good, is it?

I'd also question how well XFR2 is going to work on that super cheap board. Why not just get a 2600X?
Better board, better PSU, 500GB SSD, using the savings from dropping down to a 2600X would be a better build.

Is this from a local shop? I'm assuming they'll update b350 BIOS for you, but that's a really low end model.

>>66398574
2700X is nice when it comes to making VMs to test on Linux/Mac and for the upgrade path to 7nm.
Get 2666 RAM minimum, whichever way you go.
The AM4 version of that board is significantly better than the Z370 one. I would recommend you get the non-k CPU and just get an H370 board. Though... H370 is gimped as fuck compared to b350. Doesn't support PCIe bifurcation so you can't drop gpu to x8 for more expand-ability. Maybe just get cheapest Z370 with a 8700 non-k if you decide to go with Intel.
You could also wait for B450 boards and potentially have enough money to get a 1TB SSD like the MX500 within your budget.

>> No.66398683

>>66398635
mid-late next month, I think.

>>66398574
>>66398636
Er to clarify, I'm saying you shouldn't get the Z370 PC Pro with the 8700k. Is 8700k even on the list of supported CPUs?... I'm surprised 3 non-doubled phases can even run that CPU with MCE on.
The cheap Z370 boards are... I was going to say 4 or 3*2 core phases, yet apparently there's even a 3 phase like that. The cheapest X470 boards are far better quality, with cheapest generally being 5-6 or 4*2 phase.
If you're getting an 8700k, you should have at least 5 or 4*2 core phases, and those boards are typically in the $165+ range iirc.
A 4 or 3*2 phase would be fine for an 8700 non-k, though.

>> No.66398695

>>66396332
Sorry for the late reply, but happy to help. The i5 you have might lack hyper threading of the 4770, but it's still a capable quad core. Presuming you went with either one of those Z87/97 chip boards it'd be worth seeing what sort of an overclock you can get from your CPU. Haswell and Broadwell weren't the best overclockers compared to the Sandy/Ivy-bridge before and Sky/Kaby-lake that followed, but you should be able to aim for 4.2-4.4ghz.

>> No.66398703

why isn't the i5-8400 recommended for gayminge? with the new cheaper boards it's a really good alternative to ryzens

>> No.66398730
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>>66398683
>>66398636
Just curious Refrigeration cooler guy, is there a particular source you get your information on VRM phases and amps for each specific board? Because from the consumer marketing tripe I'm aware of, it only seems to be Asrock that make a song and dance about their VRM.
Or do you just watch a shit load of Buildzoid videos?

>> No.66398764

>>66398636
>Why not just get a 2600X?

Thanks for the advice I will consider a build with that. The price is not set, I could dump more money into it but the issue is actually finding the parts.

>Is this from a local shop? I'm assuming they'll update b350 BIOS for you, but that's a really low end model.

Yeah, they will put it together and update the bios. I guess you could say it's from a local shop but they're generally considered the best supplied in the country (sad state)

Do you see anything here that would work well with the 2700x?

http://www.anhoch.com/category/376/matichni-plochi#page/1/offset/64/

>>66398518
it says the deepcool is 80plus certified. Other brands except deepcool available are Gigabyte or Cooler Master.

>> No.66398820

>>66396855
If you can get it to run 80-85 stable, with the occassional spike to 90 thats fine(hot, but fine)
if its running 90+ constantly though then thats no bueno and wont last long

>> No.66398872

I managed to find

>ASUS TUF X470-PLUS GAMING

Would this go well with the 2700x?

>> No.66398892

>>66398730
Why is Buildzoid so perfect, lads?

>> No.66398909

>>66398703
>it's a really good alternative to ryzens
It doesn't compete though. Aswell as the cheaper mobo's hold it back(they don't have good enough VRM's to allow the i5-8400 to auto-overclock for long).
There is a reason they stated it's based at 2.8ghz. Meanwhile my 5 year old i5-4400 base clock is 3,3ghz.

>> No.66398915

>>66398730
not him, but the data is readily available once you get the actual part number
it's either on the chip itself, on the datasheet or you would have to deduce from the sort of cpu it'd be meant to feed and narrow it down from there
once you have the controller specs you know immediately if your phases are real no trouble
plus motherboard manufacturers tend to go for the same parts over and over, so after a while someone like buildzoid would hardly have to guess anymore

>> No.66398978

>>66398872
it's a 4 phase and on the weaker side but definitely much better than the gaming 3 you were going for initially
you could go for it if you don't find anything better at your price range
>>66398892
autistic behavior patterns, he's the best possible sort of hardware enthusiast

>> No.66398985

>>66391867
If you're willing to buy used and spend some time, you can often find used server hardware VERY cheaply.

>> No.66399011

>>66398909
And the cheaper motherboards can't go above 2666MHz

>> No.66399038

>>66398978
The only other thing I can find is

>ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR VI HERO

It's too pricey but I think I can consider it

>> No.66399050

>>66399011
>2666MHz
to be fair intel suffers from extreme diminishing returns at 2666mhz anyways. So that's a non-issue, kinda.

>> No.66399080

>>66399038
an alternative to buying the crosshair would be holding a small fan in place over the vrms with zip-ties and you'll never have to worry about motherboard temperatures even with the weaker board
either decision is fine

>> No.66399103

>>66392617
Does your new mobo have prefered slots for higher speed ram? My new asus pro x470 prime was fussy and didn't want to run my memory kit at rated speeds unless i put the sticks in the slots marked for it. Was a case of read the fucking manual to be sure. Works just fine now.

>> No.66399134

>>66395185
>Last question: do I really need 750 Watts?
You absolutely do not. Pretty much the only reason to get more than 600W is if you're getting a dual-GPU system or something along those lines.

>> No.66399158

>>66395829
I wouldn't bother upgrading until 3000-series comes out.

>> No.66399164

>>66393297
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as "lag" is in fact, low framerate, or as I've recently taken to calling it, lag/framespikes. Lag is not a function of graphical power unto itself, but rather another separate component of a fully noticable game slowdown, made notable through network speed, connection quality, and operating system resource management (RAM usage, memory leaks, etc.) as defined by ping.

Many computer users notice a version of framerate issues every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, this type of game slowdown which is widely used today is often called "lag" and many of its users are not aware that it is basically a GPU/CPU issue, not affected by network latency at all.

There really is a "lag" and these people do often experience it, but it is just part of the problems that occur. Lag is ping, network-based latency: the connection between your computer and the host game servers. The framerate drops are essentially caused by GPU/CPU bottlenecks, and are not related to lag by themselves; they only function in the context of a complete game slowdown. Lag is normally used in combination with frametime issues: the whole system is basically low framerate with lag added, or slowdown/lag. All the so called "lag" issues are really issues with framerates/frametimes.

>> No.66399241

so i just got a 144hz monitor recently and i started getting crashes a lot and i know its to do with the monitor or at least the display port cable because when i moved it even slightly it would cause the pc to restart. the monitor came with 2 different dp cables and i replaced the cheaper looking one with the more premium samsung branded one and i had no crashes after that for like 6 hours but then this morning and it crashed again randomly when watching youtube
i'm not using meme freesync/gsync

gtx 1070
samsung c24fg73

>> No.66399319

>>66398978
Autists are rarely so cute though.

>> No.66399351

After long years of laptop torment trying to build my first PC. Trying to keep it as quiet as my budget allows (1500€ including monitor). Am I ok to buy all of this?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GQYJw6

Also, as someone who haven't had a PC in his life, I don't have a clue how loud are PSUs, CPU coolers and case fans while browsing internet, watching youtube? Do their fans spin at all under relatively little load?

>> No.66399372

>>66398167
>LMAO? How are you this retarded.
Right back at you, you fucking asinine dipshit.
>It doesn't matter on 60hz screens because you can stay locked at 60 fine.
Fucking retard, 60hrz screens is where you will see a lot of screen tearing, and this is where you NEED a solution like v-sync, adaptive v-sync free-sync g-sync to mitigate it.
On high refresh monitors you get virtually no screen tearing and it's utterly retarded to get those solutions on something that doesn't need it.
Fuck off with your shill solutions to problems that virtually don't exist.

>> No.66399422

>>66398133
>If you are using 120 or 144hrz monitor you absolutely don't need muh sync.
can verify this, i'm >>66399241 and i haven't noticed any screentearing at all even when at 60 fps in games like ac origins. however i do get some occasional stutter in bf1 however that's more to do with my cpu crapping out because it's a 5 year old i5 quad core. variable sync is a meme to cash out on retards imo.

>>66399351
>$350 on a 580

fuck no. get a cheaper 580 like a red devil or go for a gtx 1060 6gb (which i would recommend based on my experience with people who own it)
also consider how many games you play are nvidia sponsored because if they are nvidia sponsored expect wack performance on amd gpu.

also get a ryzen 2600/x, it will last longer, supports overclocking whenever you decide to do that (which you will eventually) and the motherboards for ryzen will last 2 more generations till 2020 so upgrading will be cheaper.

try and get 3000mhz ram too

nvidia gpu + amd gpu is the way to go nowadays.

>> No.66399429

>>66399422
>nvidia gpu + amd gpu is the way to go nowadays.
amd cpu**

>> No.66399439

>>66399351
The cooler is overkill. Yes, Intel uses shitty TIM, but the 8400 still has only 65W TDP and it can't be overclocked, so there's no reason to spend more than $30 on a cooler.
That PSU is WAY overpriced. You can get an EVGA or Seasonic of comparable performance for about half the price. Or if you really want to splurge on the PSU, get a Seasonic Prime.
As for noise, generally it's not very noticeable at idle. You can hear it in a quiet room, but if you have a youtube video or music playing, you won't even be able to hear it. Many high-end PSUs have a semi-passive mode, meaning the fans won't even spin until it's under load(generally something like half the wattage).

>> No.66399444

>>66398703
Not really room in the OP to mention how it's a dead socket, that Intel's 8 core won't be on the same chipset, etc. And that it's really niche. It's pretty good for gaming, but the 2600 is +/- the same as well as being better for everything else on top of having a better upgrade path with AM4 support until 2020.
Also, those cheap b260 motherboards only have 12 fucking PCIe lanes, don't they? And know PCIe bifurcation. They're really really really shit.
There's so many caveats that are attached to an 8400 recommendation.

We do recommend it for really cheap builds, if you actually read through the posts. I remember it was recommended a few times in the last few /pcbg/ threads.

>>66398764
>Do you see anything here that would work well with the 2700x?
>http://www.anhoch.com/category/376/matichni-plochi#page/1/offset/64/
Huh. They don't have X470 boards?

>>66398872
Would be fine for 2600X but I'd really recommend more for a 2700X.
Sadly, a lot of b350 boards had issues with manufacturers just not taking them seriously. The X470 boards are way nicer except for Gigabyte.
I don't see any X470 boards on your list, which is weird. I'd really just recommend cheapest ATX X470 for your purpose.
No b350 boards on that list stand out. Mortar has tons of issues. Tomahawk tends to have issues. Gaming 3 would be okay for a 2600X I think but not 2700X.

>>66398892
>Why is Buildzoid so perfect
HRT.

>>66398730
>source for vrm phases
.... I look at the board. The same thing he does, but I can't always see pictures under the heatsink to know for sure, so there is a degree of guessing. At most you're going to be off by 1-2 or 1*2 phases, generally, doing that.
That MSI PC Pro one could be 4+2 instead of 3+3. That seems likely, really. But 4 or 3*2 vcore phases isn't enough for a 8700k.
You could also google for the particular board when you can't tell by looking at the number, size, and arrangement of chokes, though they don't always come up.

>> No.66399456

>>66399351
>>66399422

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6xK8ZR

>> No.66399512

>>66399456
>>66399351
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_Plus#Efficiency_level_certifications

Up to you how much you care about PSU efficiency.

>> No.66399669

>buying an intel then getting a 1070 or even a 1080
>buying an intel 8400 and non-K 8700 THEN getting a 1070 or even a 1080
>buying an intel 8400 and non-K 8700 THEN getting a 1070 or even a 1080 AND buying an aftermarket cooler
>actually buying windows full price and not just going to kinguin
the ABSOLUTE fucking STATE

>> No.66399673

Any changes? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZxqqdX

>> No.66399678

>>66399669
>make a decent thread
>>66399603
>thread dies after one bait reply
feels bad

>> No.66399705

>>66399673
Since you're going for high-end build you should get NVMe instead of SSD

>> No.66399723

>>66399678
Did consumer GPUs used to have SR-IOV and shit that these high end cards now have?
Only big thing I can see that's missing is that the 7970 had insane fp64 for the time. 1/4th rate, with its fp32 rate also being absurdly high for the time.

>>66399705
Just because someone is going "high end" doesn't mean they should spend double on SSD for a 3% performance increase in most cases.

>>66399673
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZxqqdX
>artic silver
>only 240mm IO when case supports 280mm and 360mm
>750W PSU
what a meme

>> No.66399734

>>66399673
get a better liquid cooler or just get a Noctua DH15

>> No.66399777

>>66399723
>Did consumer GPUs used to have SR-IOV and shit that these high end cards now have?
Not sure as my experience in PC's are only in gaming almost exclusively.
Titans had it unlocked via software? Vega not sure.

>> No.66399782

>>66399723
>$2000+ build
>still not getting NVMe
how embarrassing

>> No.66399818

>>66396659
Hobbit indeed wtf you're missing half your foot length

>> No.66399819

>wraith cooling pulled CPU right out of the sockets twice
>preapplied pirate pastey smeared into at least one socket

Be honest, this shit won't turn on, will it?

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>https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/titan/titan-v/
>3k usd for a fucking next gen card
>its already a year old and theres no mainstream version...

>> No.66399838

>>66399818
yep chodefeet ftw mate

>> No.66399892

>>66390557
New:

>>66399879

>> No.66399915

>>66399444
Here's the other big seller in my country

http://setec.mk/index.php?route=product/category&path=10019_10020_10022#category_id=10022&page=0&path=10019_10020_10022&sort=p.price&order=ASC&limit=100&min_price=1990&max_price=21299

They're using

ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR VI HERO

for their pre-builtPC with a 2700x which they're selling for $2200

>> No.66400759

>>66396434
Do not buy a 1070 for a 1080p 60Hz
You are fucking retarded
>>66396439
Out of the box support and slightly updated designs
>>66396696
Depends on the bandwidths
Quad channel 1333 vs dual channel 3200 would probably be an upgrade

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