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>Assemble a part list
>Learn how to build a PC (You can find more detailed videos on YouTube)
>How to install older Windows with USB 3

If you want help
>State the budget & CURRENCY for your build
>List your uses - e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g. photo editing, gaming) and graphics card pairing

>Delid 8000K series
>Use Precision Boost 2 offsets to overclock Ryzen 2000X series

>R3 2200G - Bare minimum gaming (dGPU optional)
>R5 2400G - Consider if close to 2200G price
>R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs
>i7-8700K - Best for gaming, but most expensive platform & delid necessary
>R7 2700/X - Best mainstream high-end mixed usage
>Threadripper/used Xeon - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing

>Don't buy A320 (All Ryzen is unlocked)
>Only Z300 series Intel boards can utilize memory over 2666MHz

>8GB - Enough for most gaming use
>16GB - Standard for heavy use
>32GB - Too much for most users
>2933MHz+ is ideal; 3200 CL14 is B-die

>StoreMI can make HDDs better
>Consider getting a larger SSD instead of SSD+HDD
>2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB
>M.2 can be SATA or PCIe
>PCIe/NVMe for intensive use only

Video cards
>SLI and CrossFire are unadvisable
MSRP of common cards
>(GTX) 1050- $110, Ti- $140; 1060 3GB- $200, 6GB- $230; 1070- $380, Ti- $450; 1080- $500, Ti- $700
>(RX) 570 4GB- $170; 580 8GB- $230; Vega 56- $400; Vega 64- $500
>1050 Ti, 1060 3/6GB, or 570/580
>1070 or Vega 56 if you're looking for 100+ fps & have a CPU to match
>1070/Ti, 1080 or Vega 56/64
>1080 Ti if you're looking for 100+ fps & have a CPU to match
>1080 Ti

>G-SYNC only with high budget/refresh rate
>Always consider FreeSync with RX cards


>> No.66330535

Is biostar an acceptable mITX mobo for the 2600? Is 2600x worth the extra $30?

>> No.66330568

Reminder that entry level cards are still over their MSRP 2 years after release and currently not worth it.

>> No.66330592

>Is biostar an acceptable mITX mobo
Honestly just look at the reviews, it'll give you a much better sample than a couple of replies on 4chan will.

>Is 2600x worth the extra $30?
To be perfectly honest it's probably a bit overkill for what most people actually do with their PCs, but it all depends on what YOU plan on doing with it.

>> No.66330601

Rocket league

>> No.66330604


SSDfag here. what are top brands for SSD? I'm looking at Samsung Evo 1TB right now, but I don't want to buy one that will shit it's butthole on me in a month

>> No.66330620

Just look at reviews, can't really go wrong with that. If you're still not sure, you could always try to dig up return rates for various brands (though generally the differences between them are well within the margin of error, so any differences are probably not significant, with exceptions of course).

>> No.66330628

Samsung is #1 ssd

>> No.66330656

Are you getting an aftermarket cooler? If you're just going with stock, get the X.

>> No.66330661

Thinking of getting a IPS, 1440p, 144Hz G-sync monitor. I bought a monitor like that but it's 1080p and a TN panel. Originally bought it for games like DotA 2 and Overwatch and I realized I fucking hate those games and need to just primarily stick to RPGs.

Current build: GTX 1070, i5-4670k @ 4.2 GHz, 16GB DDR-3 RAM @ 1600 MHz

Is this a worthy upgrade? Should I provide more information about games I play that could potentially take advantage of this?

>> No.66330673

X370/X470 extra PCIe lanes are lost on mITX but

Also TECHNICALLY you could use all of the lanes on mITX with three m.2 x4 slots. That's 12 lanes used, 8 for gpu, and 4 left over for SATA ports. They just uh... don't as far as I know on any board.
Hey, now you can see that not having X370 and X470 mATX boards is mega-fucking-retarded. Feel free to email ASRock or others about this issue.

This is for many reasons.
People are autistic and think their GPU needs the full x16 lanes, when they don't. You need to drop down to x4 before you see tenths of a percentage drop in gaymes or anything else. x8 is still overkill bandwidth for a 1080ti or vega 64.

And just dumb marketing shit. People think X370/X470 is just better, so they gimp the quality of b350 boards arbitrarily even though the chipset is perfectly sufficient.

idk if they're worse than Gigabyte or not at this point, desu.
I had some annoying problems with their BIOS on a 300 series board, but I mean it works. Don't know about memory compatibility. I'd go by user reviews of them.

>> No.66330683

What are my options for 32"-42" 4k monitors at the moment? I've tried to keep an eye on new releases but they all seem to have one critical flaw that's a dealbreaker. I was looking forward to the Philips 436M6VBPAB, but it turns out to have a weird pixel grid and static dithering that looks like shit.

I just want to have a huge workspace without scaling.

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Biostar is never gonna be a good option if you have any more money, and CPU depends on the rest of your build/budget
SATA is all the same desu
It's cool if you have the money

>> No.66330714

Budget is $1,600 and plan to use for games, vm's and some video rendering. Mainly just looking for a big jump from my 2500k gtx 760 and 8gb of ram.


>> No.66330735


Not sure if it's worth it with a 1070, since your frame rates won't be very high at that resolution. I'm personally questioning if that type of monitor is even worth it for a 1080, since a lot of the benchmarks I'm seeing rarely go above 100 Hz at 1440p.

You might want to check out any videos covering 1070 benchmarks, to see what the frame rates might be like for the types of games you're interested in.

>> No.66330741

Honestly, that's just a pretty solid build man. Noctua fans aren't exactly the best perf per dollar fans, but they're straight up one of the best.

I was literally just switching my order of Vardars to the 2000rpm version.

>> No.66330742

what monitor? video card might be overkill depending on what resolution/fps you want

looks solid desu

>> No.66330744

MX500, WD Blue, SU900 are standard options. Can find older model MX and SU on sale now and then, and 850 Evo for that matter, but only worth it if far cheaper and you don't care about the speed. (SU650 is just plain MLC, iirc, not 3D)
860 Evo if it's on sale for the same price as the above. NOT worth paying a premium for above the above models.
860 Pro if you need the bit of extra speed and higher warranty, TBW.
Fast NVMe are useful as scratch disks, working drives, when you say need to move hundreds of MB of video around often as they have higher transfer rates. Does not affect boot/load times.
Optane 900p can be really good when paired with StoreMi. They don't overheat and throttle like NVMe do, have massively better ops/sec performance, lower latency, etc. But I wish they were closer to NVMe prices.
Also this. Generally not worth getting an SSD that's under like 4.3 stars on Amazon. ie Patriot garbage.
Actually.. SU900 are only 4.1. A lot worse than the SU800. I guess they dropped in quality with the new model and aren't worth recommending anymore.

1440p 144hz is kind of the sweet spot. Otherwise you'd be running 4k upscaled since nothing can reliably drive 4K well in half of games, let alone nearly all or all.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ttnG3C/acer-monitor-xb271hubmiprz is a good choice, afaik.
It's basically the same as the best gaming Freesync monitor, which is https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wFfhP6/nixeus-nx-edg27s-270-2560x1440-144hz-monitor-nx-edg27s for anyone also looking for that.

For 4k without scaling don't you want more around 50"-55"? I scale 125% on 1920x1200 24" at arm's length.

Why not use stock cooler?
No monitor?
Those fans come in black now, btw.
Case choice is pretty okay. But I'd get Jonsbo if sexy and more compact is more important than airflow for you and GPU fits (should iirc).
but not GPU passthrough ones?

>> No.66330760

I hate to do this, but have fun.
I might be able to help some more if you want IPS or stated your budget
Spend less on case fans and more on motherboard
You can get the massdrop 1080 for that price

>> No.66330798


planning on overclocking.

suggestion for a motherboard?

>> No.66330801

thanks for the help bros

>> No.66330808

Is water cooling a meme?

>> No.66330820

Depends on your case

>> No.66330822

40" 4k is about the same ppi as a 24" 1080p screen which I'm currently using 2 of. It's pretty nice, but I wouldn't want to go any lower in ppi, I'm a lot more comfortable with my laptop's [email protected]" actually.

Budget is around $1k, and I'd prefer VA, since I'd rather deal with black crush over the general low contrast of IPS. Refresh rate doesn't matter either since I'm not going to be gaming much.

I guess I should pick something with a decent DCI-P3 coverage at least though, it seems to be the norm amongst modern screens. I can get it calibrated myself, so factory accuracy isn't very important.

>> No.66330827

My 1600/Wraith Spire was running on full load at 3.7ghz/1.325v the whole day. It was 80F in my room when I got home and my CPU was maxing out at 74C with fan RPM maxing at 2900RPM.
Should I spring for a DH15s?

>> No.66330829

>since your frame rates won't be very high at that resolution.
lmao I play 2560x1600 on an RX580 in almost everything. Most modern games (and even some older ones) look and run better on a mix of medium and high at higher resolution than maxed at lower resolution because they have shitty anti aliasing and more pixels is the only way to fix their shitty AA.

Also most "max" or "ultra" settings are just there to make the game run worse for benchmarks, not actually look better.

>gigabyte windforce
I have those. Somehow reviews measure its dB as quiet, but you'll find others saying they're loud as fuck if you google "gigabyte windforce noise". And I have the 1070 model, same cooler, and it's fucking loud. And it's not just the dB, it's the particular pitch of the sound that's annoying and penetrates through a case so it's harder to muffle.

isn't saying much

AIO? Yes. Custom loop? If you can afford it and enjoy making it and the risks that can come with it, no.

>> No.66330845

Anyone here use EVGA CLCs?

>> No.66330853

>getting a goysync monitor

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Strix, Gaming 7, Taichi
Gaming 5 if you can't do those
Any 280mm AIO is gonna be marginally better than air at best (and worse whenever Noctua releases 140mm coolers with their new fans)
Custom is as good as it gets unless you delve into subambient, but even then you can chill it
74C is perfectly fine though
Well he was already gonna get a Gigabyte card so I figure it isn't gonna be that much different since card coolers kinda suck in general

>> No.66330885

If prices were equal: 580 8GB or 1060 6GB

>> No.66330894

>74C is perfectly fine though
With the fan running at almost 100% of its rated RPM?

>> No.66330904

> am Canadian, creating my build in pc part picker
> the site changes back to the American version at times for various reasons
> see drastic decreases in prices
> think for a second that things are on sale
> no it's just the American site again

Every time it happens I die a little more inside.

>> No.66330942

being a leaf is suffering

I for one can't wait to fuck off from this worthless stagnant shithole.

>> No.66330943

74C is still technically perfectly safe, even if it doesn't feel nice emotionally.
DH15s is likely overkill, but it might not hurt to get a new cooler if you also plan to use it in a Zen2 or Zen3 upgrade.
Sure. Just at load, right? I mean it'll wear down the fan but you can always replace it when it dies instead of sooner.

Oh I see why reviews show it not appearing that loud.
They compare it to reference blowers LOL.
How fucking garbage does your triple fan cooler have to be to be ON PAR with reference blowers? Fuck Gigabyte always.

It's a mistake to get Gigabyte either way. Same way I told people to fuck off from those Gigabyte Vega ones.

Getting new monitor? Obviously RX580. You save like $80-$300 on monitor and generally have better choice.
Not to mention, Nvidia doesn't have dithering support so you get ugly as shit banding with local dimming monitors.
Sticking with 1080p 60hz for the foreseeable future? Whichever is cheaper, which is usually 1060 6GB. However there is an RX580 4GB on sale at Newegg for $210 with some code from the previous thread. 4GB, given Polaris has compression, is generally enough VRAM. Worst case, you may need to turn textures down to "high" instead of maxed in some future games, or any current ones that may push the VRAM (GR wildlands I think does? idk)

But equal prices, and not already on a Gsync monitor? RX580 is the obvious choice. And I'd also highly recommend a newer Freesync monitor. Even the jump from 60hz to 75hz is a huge noticeable difference.

Can't you just go across the border to buy stuff cheap?

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For software development and gaming (I plan to upgrade my 960 eventually).

This is basically as high as I want to go budget-wise unless I can be convinced of a serious value add by going higher.

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About the same in terms of card, but 1060 doesn't do FreeSync
Not great, but you don't necessarily need to upgrade. And a D15 would be on the opposite end of the spectrum where you really don't need to spend that much
Consider waiting for what Noctua does with the A12x25 and if the prices are good
U12S is not great for such high heat
Memory is slow
PSU is too cheap imo
Do you have a point in getting an i7 over a Ryzen 7?

>> No.66330989

at load. I'm at 60c currently with 100% usage per hwinfo. Ambient is currently ~75f

>> No.66330991

Is this an Ok CPU cooler for overclocking 8700k:


I'm doing a MicroATX build if that makes a difference on suggestions.

>> No.66331002

>Consider waiting for what Noctua does with the A12x25 and if the prices are good
redbull me on this one

>> No.66331037

>Is biostar an acceptable
fuck no, and mitx is a faggot meme, stop being a macfag and get a atx or at least matx

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>U12S is not great for such high heat
I don't plan to OC (or only marginally so, maybe I'll turn on "multicore optimisation"). A bigger cooler would mean changing the case. Can I get a better air cooler than the U12S that isn't any larger and doesn't cost a lot more? I also like the look of Noctuna's mounting system which is why I want one of theirs. The 212 etc looks horribly fiddly.
>Memory is slow
OK, I've swapped out to 3000MHz
>PSU is too cheap imo
I was told Seasonic is very reliable, 620 should be plenty for a single GPU system, and I don't need or want full modular etc. What would I be paying extra for?
>Do you have a point in getting an i7 over a Ryzen 7?
Overall I value per-core/4-core perf more than multicore. Better for emulation, VR, etc. My development workload is multicore but not to the same degree as video encoding etc.

Also I'll probably want to add a hackintosh partition at some point and don't want to deal with AMD hacks (I know it's possible, just more trouble).

>> No.66331052

you need a new gpu not cpu, and for compiling ryzen is better.

>> No.66331056

What's a good price for a Vega 56?

>> No.66331074

Thanks for the feedback anon, unfortunately you posted a few seconds too early to see my response to the other reply >>66331051

I'll upgrade the GPU eventually, I enjoy games but I'm not very particular about graphics settings/framerate as long as it's playable and fun.

>> No.66331095

I can't decide if I should go for 1440p 144hz or 4k 60hz. I play all types of games. Is the 144hz REALLY worth it, or should I just go for higher resolution?

>> No.66331096

>Better for emulation, VR, etc.
VR literally is 100% gpu bound, and emulaton on modern ps3, xbox360, wiiu emulators are good on ryzen, spend less on your cpu and get a 1060/580 or something like that

>> No.66331110

XF270HU is better 4k is a meme on PC until 120hz 4k monitors and the hardware to run it is out

>> No.66331113


meme overclock

>> No.66331117

Does anyone know why a new build would take a long time to post when booting? I tried looking in the BIOS settings for any unnecessary features that could be disabled but didn't really see anything

>> No.66331121

>being a macfag
buy intel and leave you don't belong on /g/

>> No.66331130

memory training and shits mostly.

>> No.66331132

Do you have your red RGB turned on?

>> No.66331151

I did see memory training, what is that?

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Nah senpai that sucks
Dual tower air cooler + delid or you shouldn't even bother with a K model
At Computex the demo'd a U12S redesign (denser fins and better fans) that performs similar to D15
If you value per-core you should do real OC, or get the 8700/2700X since they are both cheaper
$400 and nothing more
I'm kidding of course, but nothing over $500
144Hz, but get a G-SYNC panel if you have an NVIDIA card
Some hardware can just be like that
How long is it for the BIOS prompt to flash on? More than 10s and you might have an issue

>> No.66331180

especially on ryzen, the board tries up different timings and freq to boot ddr4 memory. this takes some time. the same also applies when you change your ramsticks. its not on all boards, on other boards, they just boot 2133 MHz with like 15 15 15 15 35 which is like a surefire way to boot.

>> No.66331183

I don't want to be one of those people who asks for advice and then ignores it, but
>get a 1060
I'm not looking to buy gaming gear right now. This build is primarily for work at the moment with a view to improving gaming performance later on.
>spend less on your cpu
I'd rather overspend a little right now and get the extra single-core/4-thread performance. Look at benchmarks for current games on older CPU generations- it's always the per-core performance that hurts them, not a lack of cores. I don't upgrade often so I need it to last.
I dunno if you've ever done any web development (especially node), but it's way nicer on osx than on Windows.
>If you value per-core you should do real OC
I could always buy some kind of premium liquid cooler later on and up my OC, the hardware I've selected will work well with that except for the cooler. Or delid in a few years when my warranty is done anyway.

>> No.66331193

Oh, what's the point of that? Can't I just manually set those parameters instead of having the board try to do it for me and take a long time?

>> No.66331206

I'm going to go against the consensus here and say that I wouldn't want to buy a new sub-4K monitor anymore. Having said that:
1. Some people REALLY love high frame rates- if you haven't tried one, go demo a 144hz monitor somewhere.
2. 27" is small enough that you'll probably need to apply scaling, which mitigates one of the benefits of 4K (more work space). I'd want 32"+.

>> No.66331222

>web development
more like babby programming and linux is better for that and works on proper hardware

>> No.66331224

sure. after the initial boot. it really depends on the board man. its just for once, dont worry. after you POSTed, itll be faster next time.

>> No.66331245

>that 2mm thick radiator
>that narrow single fan
At stock speeds, that's it. Even then might require a delid if you got unlucky.

$480-$530 at the moment, though prices seem to be trending down in general.

60hz just isn't enough for gayming, so that rules out 4k.

Why not the Nixeus, Monoprice, or Mbest though?
Nixeus is a good quality AHVA, has adaptive overdrive, and their warranty and QC are some of the better ones.
Monoprice has HDR, albeit 8bit+FRC and it's TN.
Mbest is the lowest latency and response time IPS monitor you can get (not just lowest Freesync, lowest compared to Gsync monitors afaik as well. Could be wrong tho).
Assuming you're not fucking up getting Freesync when you have an Nvidia card, here.

VR is 90hz and not all CPUs can reliably drive 90fps minimum for the smoothest experience.

Sure. And if it fails so hard it won't POST, it then tries lower timings until it can POST.
Once you have working memory settings, it will remember that and not cycle timings anymore.

If that's not what's making your POST times long, it could be a faulty motherboard or BIOS. b350 Tomahawk had a bad problem with that on early BIOS (or production runs?).

I'd like 4K and would be happy to play like 1500-1800p upscaled if I had to, but 60hz just isn't enough.

The thing is that you can do like 1800p downsampled to 1440p and it looks VERY similar to 1800p upsampled to 4k. But you also benefit from being able to play at a higher framerate since there are 1440p 144hz monitors but there aren't even 4k 75hz monitors.
I play 2560x1600 downsampled to 1920x1200 in most games and it's the same concept. I also have a 4K TV I use as my second monitor so I can try the two side by side and the 4K upscaled doesn't look terribly better. It'd be less of a difference if I were on 2560x1440 and downsampling from a bit higher resolution.

>> No.66331258

G-guys I have no idea what happened to my Alienware X51. It had green pixels then on a reboot it wouldn’t boot and gives consistent beeps. I wish I knew what was wrong. I thought maybe it was the graphics card but shouldn’t it stilll load from the on board graphics?? Meaning it’s the ___?

I’ve been thinking I would try to build a new system using the i7 and mobo but now I don’t even know what’s wrong to know what to replace.. scared I may be better off starting a new... wanted opinion if it’s worth the effort to keep if I would even be saving money it’s an i7,3770, GTX660 8,GB DDR3

I’m pretty upset about the whole thing and don’t want to be without a computer but right now spending 1000+ on a computer seems financially selfish.

Idk. Do have a Best Buy credit card to space it out if I can build a cheap but good pc from what they have available unless that’s a bad route

Would appreciate help

>> No.66331259

All things considered, it would be more interesting to work in firmware reverse engineering or something like that. But I'm reasonably good at what I do, and it pays the bills.
>linux is better for that
I can't really agree. I get sent PPT/PPTX files all the time with specs, and both libreoffice and WINE are really shitty experiences compared to the native mac Office apps.

>> No.66331266

>VR is 90hz and not all CPUs can reliably drive 90fps minimum for the smoothest experience.
If youyr cpu is so shit that it cant to 90fps on a good gpu than its prob something bulldozer/phenom/core 2 or pre coffeelake i3

>> No.66331282

Isn't this also the price range of the 1070ti? Is it worth getting the 56 over it if I have a Freesync monitor?

>> No.66331283

>sure. after the initial boot. it really depends on the board man. its just for once, dont worry. after you POSTed, itll be faster next time.
hmm, it's been taking a long time for every time I've rebooted since I built it Saturday. I have the RAM manually set to 2933 MHz and XMP on so I don't know why it's trying different frequencies

>> No.66331301

Well, don't give up on your current system until you're sure it's dead. Yank the graphics card out to rule it out as the culprit. Try to find a motherboard manual, look up the meaning of the beep pattern and/or any status LEDs that might be on the motherboard. Remove and reinsert the CMOS battery, etc.

Also try reddit /r/techsupport or the buildapc discord.

>> No.66331312

i need a new cpu and itx board, after selling my i5-6600k and thinking id be fine with my G4560 in the htpc i realized im not.

im leaning towards i3 because now they are quad core, i dont overclock anyway. is the i3 good enough for daily tasks and occasional gaming or do i need to pay the extra $60 for the cpu and settle with a 1060 3GB rather than a 1060 6GB?

basically: i3-8100 & 1060 6GB or i5-8400 1060 3GB, which one is better overall? i won't be upgrading for the next few years and i only play gta4/5 and csgo because i rarely have time...

>> No.66331341

>i3-8100 & 1060 6GB or i5-8400 1060 3GB
If you must choose, I'd go with the former. New games really love more VRAM, and there are also other differences between the two models.
But I'd strongly encourage you to save up a bit and get both. The i3 will be fine for right now but you might regret it in a couple years. i5 will last you a lot longer.

>> No.66331356

Uhhh Gamer's Nexus did this test and anything less than a 7700k or 1700X was not enough for a consistent 90fps minimum for 99.99%+ of frames, IIRC.
Actually think the 1700X was slightly lower than that.

Your 4c/4t Haswell or even Skylake is not going to handle it when even a 7700k doesn't always deliver 100% of frames over 90fps despite having nothing running in the background and even internet i/o and other basic services disabled. You seem deluded, dunno what else to say.

Vega56 is slightly better performance at 1440p for AIB cards, and overclocks slightly better (though worse power consumption overclocked), and 1440p Freesync monitors are anywhere from $100-$300 cheaper than Gsync. Perf/watt is roughly the same as long as you're not using one of those "OC BIOS" that heavily overvolt inefficiently, as well.
Makes no sense to buy a 1070Ti unless you already have Gsync right now and hasn't for the past few weeks.

The AIB Vega56 cards are way better than the reference blowers that throttled and were clocked way too low, and drivers have improved performance considerably compared to the latest Nvidia drivers on top of that.

So if you're comparing to 1070Ti and current 1070Ti prices, Vega56 is the easy choice right now unless you already have a Gsync monitor.

i5-8400 and 1060 6GB. If you can't afford that, you just shouldn't bother as the other two options both suck.
But for CSGO and GTA5, I don't quite understand why the G4560 isn't enough. It should be enough with a dGPU.
Why don't you just get a 2400G, if you just need an upgrade from the Pentium's iGPU?

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>it's always the per-core performance that hurts them, not a lack of cores.
Incorrect, and that's why i5s now have 2 more cores than they used to. Per-core matters less and less with new games.
There isn't any point in getting an 8700K that you won't overclock.
If video card is dead, buy a new one. If your board, CPU, or RAM is dead you should get a new system.
Investigate the debug beeps first
If you don't get anywhere remove the video card and run off integrated
If that doesn't work you probably need a new PC
Only get AMD cards with FreeSync and vice versa
Why would you sell a 6600K judt to turn around and buy an objectively worse processor? You are a real fucking retard
Anyway, couldn't you upgrade the G4560 you have to a 7700?

>> No.66331389

>There isn't any point in getting an 8700K that you won't overclock.
First: Even if I don't heavily OC it right now, I could always change my mind in a couple years. Get a slightly better cooler if necessary, delid, and start tweaking. I don't mind paying a little extra now in order to keep that door open.
Second: If I do decide to upgrade earlier than planned, I'm told K chips hold their value better.

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This might not be the best place to ask but I don't want to start a new thread. Is disabling SMT on a Ryzen 1600 bad? Is there any long term effects? The only way I can play Battlefield 1 is with it disabled because there is some problem with Ryzen CPUs, I guess.

>> No.66331447

>Isn't this also the price range of the 1070ti? Is it worth getting the 56 over it if I have a Freesync monitor?
To clarify better, only reason you should be using 144hz Freesync with an Nvidia GPU is if you're poor and going to lock games to 144 or 72 fps. Otherwise you're going to see tearing in the 80-100fps, or sub 60fps range.

If you already have a Freesync monitor... it's an obvious choice to get an AMD card when the price/performance is similar, which it is right now.
I know some people who have Nvidia GPUs and just get Freesync because they can't afford Gsync.

>I could always change my mind in a couple years
Almost no one who buys Intel k CPUs actually does this. The people who OC are enthusiasts who do it from the start. I only actually see people do what you're saying with AMD CPUs since there's more unlocked CPUs/boards and they tend to be budget to begin with so you get more value.
It'll make more sense to get a new 7nm CPU. Less than a year from now 8700k performance will be superceeded by the 3700X just like the 8700k and 2700X superceeded 7700k performance beyond what you could reasonably overclock the 7700k to.

Overclock the 8700k and you're just going to draw 250watts to underperform a 125watt 7nm 8 core.

>Is disabling SMT on a Ryzen 1600 bad?
Bad in that SMT is good and you shouldn't disable it.
Some benchmarks show games getting a few % lower FPS with SMT enabled, but benchmarks don't represent real world usage.
In the real world you have things running in the background, and things like even your internet i/o, that all use CPU and make use of the SMT to keep the game running smooth.
>The only way I can play Battlefield 1 is with it disabled because there is some problem with Ryzen CPUs, I guess.
It should work fine. Maybe you just need to update BIOS if it's a microcode issue?

But no disabling it won't hurt your PC. Is this some widely reported issue on their forums or something for a new update of the game?

>> No.66331450

yeah thats what i had in mind, if i buy both used i can still stay under $450
the dGPU is very not enough, the i5's was not either. i was only able to play csgo properly with the dgpu. i need an upgrade both for gpu and the cpu - the g4560 is in another machine anyway. I am thinking of the 2400g, even though it's not on par as the 1060 (either) it would be like half the price of total costs so im considering it

i had the g4560 as my daily before, but i guess i also had less free time then so it felt okay. keeping the good memories in my mind i thought with an increased free time i'd still be okay, turns out i was wrong. there's nothing wrong with acting back on fond experiences

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If you don't OC now there is hardly an advantage over Ryzen
Also, Ryzen socket support should be around for a couple years so they would hold their value the best because you can keep the motherboard
I really can't find a logical reason to do this since in any situation you end up shooting your foot by spending more than you had to
>Buy an 8700K and do a full OC
>Buy an 8700 and run stock
>Buy a Ryzen 7 and do whatever you want since you have a free cooler so you can't lose any money
Disabling SMT means less power usage and less multithread performance (multithreading increases multicore performance and power draw roughly by 40%)
It won't hurt your PC but I would keep it on whenever possible because free performance

>> No.66331476

manual the timings and try to loosen it a bit.

>> No.66331518

Upgrading from a 4690k to a ryzen 2700. Is there any odd quirks with linux i should know about? Ill still be using my old 960 as a gpu and what would be the best dual channel 8gb kit for it?

>> No.66331526

>Overclock the 8700k and you're just going to draw 250watts to underperform a 125watt 7nm 8 core.
Anon I really do appreciate you taking the time to advise me but I don't mind paying ~19% extra now to keep open the possibility of a free 10-15% boost (Free aside from cooler cost, and coolers can be reused). That's enough to make it worth it. (Actually it's more than that since the K is slightly faster at stock than an 8700)

>> No.66331531

2700X here. no problems whatsoever. for a kit, samsung b die kits.

>> No.66331539

Why do you have a fixed budget and why do you have to buy immediately? Wait until you can raise the difference and get the i5+1060 6GB.

>> No.66331552

Cheers. Should i wait for the new chipsets? Not really interested in overclocking.

>> No.66331561

because i dont want to spend too much money. if i go over $500 after all is said and done i'm just going to sell my macbook pro and get a blade stealth and have a single computer.

i dont have to buy immediately but it kinda sucks only having my macbook to do anything especially when i have a shit ton of time after work because im an antisocial dude.

and tbqh i can do that now its just i dont want to spend $70 on something that wont make a difference when that gets me about 2 tanks of gas and therefore about 500 miles of fun

>> No.66331574

well, the new chipset is out, x470. if you meant you wanna get a b450, then yeah, you gonna wait a while.

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I've also heard that battlefield performance tanks when SMT is on
I would blame EA and get on with it
I don't get the point of an upgrade like that if all you don't even have enough for 16GB of memory
I urge you to save up $100 more so you can get a 2700X and more RAM
Z490 was cancelled, so no. Stick with X470.

>> No.66331607

spend the extra $30 on a 2700x

>> No.66331609

Has anyone tried modding their case side? I want to add a window, I just don't want to fuck it up and be out a case. Also do I need to use tempered glass or can I use normal glass.

>> No.66331630

Yours is a fair perspective, but in a few years you'll probably cuss yourself out for not paying that $70. I can't wholeheartedly recommend that you get the i3. I went with a Haswell i3 back in 2014; it worked great back then and I can still play recent games, but looking at the 100% CPU utilisation I can see that it was the wrong choice.

>> No.66331646

just chainsaw that shit and superglue some glass in there nigga

>> No.66331651

Better stock cooler and much more aggressive turboing

>> No.66331654

I was gonna get one kit now and one later but i dont mind grabbing 16 right now. Im not strapped for cash. I didnt state it earlier but i dont play games as much anymore. 5 Hours a fortnight at best.

>> No.66331683

Dammit, when are they gonna release cheaper intel motherboards that work with high frequency RAM?

>> No.66331707


>> No.66331708
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But why would you do that
At that point you should buy a new case since the point of a window is to look nice and that's only gonna look ghetto
One now and one later is only going to be more expensive and less stable since the sticks weren't binned together.
You think they will? There's a higher chance of 10nm releasing tomorrow.

>> No.66331719

this >>66331707

>> No.66331721

Fair enough. Ill aim for a quad channel low profile 16gb kit then.

>> No.66331722


>> No.66331761
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Quad channel makes no sense for a few reasons:
-Your memory slots will be full
-Consumer processors only have 2 channels so no performance benefit
-8GB sticks are usually the best in terms of performance
Not like you need it with a locked processor lol

>> No.66331768

>that's only gonna look ghetto
Because I like my case now, there's no window version and the guys on YouTube make it look pretty easy. I just don't want to pay so much for a small piece of tempered glass and I don't want plexiglass. Just didn't know if the temperatures in the case would break normal glass.

>> No.66331789

Well I was wondering, for something like, say, a i5-8400, would 3200 make a lot of compared to 2666?

>> No.66331850
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Call me when you fuck up
But on the chance that you succeed, post it here. That's cool.
It's a 20% increase in bandwidth so that's the biggest hypothetical gain you can get (at least on ringbus)
However, the largest impact I've seen was a 10% fps gain in Project CARS 2 @ 1080p

>> No.66331856

you cant cut tempered glass man.

>> No.66331876

Yes or no:

Does newegg ever have sales? I need a mobo and SSD as well but prices seem pretty high for what I want.

>> No.66331998
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PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LV4WcY
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LV4WcY/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($209.89 @ OutletPC)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($27.89 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: MSI - X470 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard ($129.99 @ B&H)

Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($187.99 @ Amazon)

Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($247.91 @ OutletPC)

Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 570 8GB ARMOR OC Video Card ($259.99 @ B&H)

Case: NZXT - S340 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ B&H)

Monitor: AOC - G2460PF 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor ($197.46 @ Amazon)

Total: $1401.10

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-13 00:30 EDT-0400

Making a new gaming setup, 1600 USD budget. How did I do? What can I improve? Did I accidentally do something dumb with this? Thanks for the help.

>> No.66332052

Oh ok, i was going to get a asus strix card. Is there any indicator i can look for on the card itself without disassembly?

>> No.66332095
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Way too expensive considering that it's a glorified stock cooler
Newegg has sales/rebates and sometimes has mobo/CPU bundles
Cooler unnecessary
PSU/board/RAM can be switched out for better options within budget
Much better video card
If you have the card it will tell you in software
If you don't have the card you won't be able to know

>> No.66332102

So if AIOs are a meme, why do people buy them? Is it just for aesthetics? Likewise, is there anything wrong with it being for aesthetics?

>> No.66332204

Ok cool, i work in a pc shop so ill just test a few

>> No.66332208

Theyre the biggest meme. Aesthetic and perceived (non existent) performance.

>> No.66332244

How shit is the 1050ti?

>> No.66332256

it's not a bad budget card, but if you could just save up a bit more for the 1060 3gb unless you have a skimpy CPU

>> No.66332262


>> No.66332275

Is the 1060 3gb better for 1080p even with only 3gb of memory? What about the 570?

>> No.66332282
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Aesthetics only unless you get a 360, which has more surface area than any air cooler
The wrong parts are that it costs more than air and performs worse than custom
Also, the pump can break, coolant can slowly permeate through and evaporate, and tubes can leak (unlikely, but no amount of aesthetics justifies it)
Not bad, but with prices so high on it you're better off with a 580 4/8GB (1050 Ti is only worth about $120)

>> No.66332285

1060 3gb is a meme card. 570 is ok but get a 480 if you can

>> No.66332304

considering getting this as my boot drive+startup applications



toms hardware seems to think its alright

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Yeah 1060 3GB is technically better but I consider the 4GB 570/580 to be best value in that range
Lowest you should every go for boot is 240GB and you can find 500GB SATA drives for $100 like the MX500 here:

>> No.66332361 [DELETED] 

>Lowest you should every go for boot is 240GB

just why? the OS will never take up anything close to 120GB or even half of that

>> No.66332376

>Lowest you should every go for boot is 240GB

just why? the OS will never take up anything close to 120GB or even half of that. also... you just recommended a SATA when i brought up an NVME... please elaborate

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You also want startup applications and that thing is gonna be completely full
I don't even know why drives that small exist
NVMe is completely useless for OS and programs; absolute waste of money.

>> No.66332430

Just popped in a new SSD, trying to install Windows on it from disk. The old hdd is not connected. I've tried tapping/holding down some f keys to get to the boot order, but I just keep getting no signal to monitor. I have a gigabyte motherboard. Any ideas?

>> No.66332431


>You also want startup applications and that thing is gonna be completely full

once again, please elaborate. my view of startup apps is pretty minimal, steam, skype, ccleaner, rainmeter. these along with windows do not use up half of 60GB

>NVMe is completely useless for OS and programs

why? all i need is a drive with fast read speeds so my computer can chuck all this shit into RAM as it starts right?

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Del key should always bring you into BIOS unless you fucked up
Nope, NVMe is not going to noticably speed up load times of any software or operating system compared to SATA SSDs.
You are more likely to run out of space for progams and have to use HDD which would be a lot slower overall (unless you do StoreMI but that still has downsides)

>> No.66332503

thats crazy, im already getting a crucial SSD thought tossing an NVME in the mix would help..

oh well cheers

>> No.66332525

I'm getting a 970 Evo 256g boot drive anyway, fuck the police.

>> No.66332546


its your money, i didnt wanna believe it either

>> No.66332576

so any idea whats causing the bottleneck at boot then if storage after SSDs no longer is?

>> No.66332630

Is the 1060 6GB a worthy upgrade for 1080p if I have a 970?

Some people told me it is but after looking at the benchmarks I´m not really convinced.

>> No.66332645

If I were to get sleeved cable extensions which cables are the ones that are most visible/hardest to hide?

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Fellow flipfag, you can check out my build if it helps since I'm using it for the same purpose. Don't think this can run PUBG though at 1080p.

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Fellow flipfag, you can check out my build since I'm using it for the same purpose. This won't run PUBG though at 1080p

>> No.66332710

Kind of for VR, in most stuff and the current price not at all.
Keep the 970 and wait for the GTX 116071170.

>> No.66332768

That is one shitty video to explain modern SSDs.
Here something everyone could understand.

>> No.66332798 [DELETED] 

Correction, you can't get the Fractal Focus G in Dynaquest,

>> No.66332799

you totally missed the point, we were talking about SATA SSD vs NVME SSD boot times....

>> No.66332817 [DELETED] 

Correction, you can't get the Fractal Design G.

>> No.66332860

Correction, you can't get the Fractal Design G in Dynaquest

>> No.66332924

That paste is dead.

>> No.66332937
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About to have to RMA one of my 1080 tis. Only does this on my TV but not my monitor.

>> No.66332978
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Hey guys, retard from last week here. I got the old board shipped off, grabbed an AsRock Pro 4 as an anon suggested and it's live! AMD drivers are an absolute mess of course.

Anyway, rams running at 1/3rd speed as the pic shows. When I go into the motherboard to OC it, all settings are blank and there appear to be at least a dozen if not a couple.

How easy can you fuck your board with bad settings? I've never OC'd ram before and would love some direction on guides.

>> No.66332988

Should have been included with the post but oh well.
Ram in question.

>> No.66333001
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Please help me. I am getting conflicted info on if this is a good build. This is my first ever computer and I’m trying really hard to learn.


I am trying to make a PC that can play all types of games “pretty well” to “decent”. I want to be able to video edit in adobe premiere and photoshop with ease. I eventually want to upgrade to be VR ready down the road (not that far down that road).

I’m planning on having 3 operating systems on this desktop and have 2 sources of hard drives (one hard drive will be shared on 2 of the operating systems).

Please help me, will this get the job done? My laptop recently broke, it’s urgent that I need a computer. But at the same time I want to get a decent gaming Pc if I’m spending this much money.

My budget is pretty much what you see there. I can’t reallg afford too much higher unless you can convince me the upgrade is worth having no computer longer.

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Can anyone recommend some good Micro ATX cases?

Open to any suggestions.

>> No.66333042

Looking for an AMD build for editing video content in Sony Vegas. Have a 980 gpu I can use with it.

Budget: $900 considering gpu is already bought.
Would like a large case.

>> No.66333052

Not a suggestion but a warning, avoid the CoolerMaster n200. Looked great but the storage options are shit, the cable management is limited and one of the panel cables came loose and was an absolute bitch to get back in with how the case is designed.

Definitely not a buy.

>> No.66333089

Enthoo Evolv mAtx is good I think. Phanteks usually have good airflow and cable management.

>> No.66333092

That is a budget choice, after all.

Looking for any kind of aesthetic or features in particular?

>> No.66333304

my planned upgrade has the same CPU, fan, RAM, and Mobo. (not upgrading anything else).

Is it worth waiting for the new gen mobos coming out end of year? I'm not upgrading for a few months at least.

>> No.66333316

preferably a mid tower like the one shown, other than that i'm open to anything that isn't ricer shit

>> No.66333322

meant for

>> No.66333335
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had me confused there for a second anon

>> No.66333417

recommended watts for PSU for gtx 1070, amd 5 2600, x470 motherboard, 4 fans 120mm and 140mm?

>> No.66333453

As a intel fag who likes emulation is the 2600x a good upgrade for a i5-3570 non-k for the purposes of vidya and emulation?
I feel like I need to ask just because of how shit AMD cards are for emulation

>> No.66333474

Here again, can anyone say anything about letting AsRock "auto OC" the ram? It just sounds like a bad idea.

>> No.66333494

I'd recommend a 2600 with B350 motherboard over 8400.
You don't really need anything other than a stock cooler on a locked CPU: consider spending that money on a better motherboard or something instead
Current gen CPUs like fast RAM: You should get 2666MHz RAM instead(or 3000MHz if you get Ryzen)
Now that you can get a 570 for about the same price, I'd recommend that instead of 1060 3GB: either that, or spend the extra to get the 6GB version.
Evga B3 is very nearly housefire tier and should be avoided at all costs. Especially since that particular unit seems to be severely overpriced: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Qb8j4D/seasonic-focus-gold-450w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-450fm for instance is so much better that it isn't even funny. Alternatively, you can get Evga B or any seasonic bronze-rated PSU instead and save a little money.

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>friend brought pc to me to fix after smelling smoke
>i couldn't find where smell was coming from
>unplugged all non-essentials and turned it on
>ran fine on bios for 10 minutes
>plugged in hdd and turned it back on
>fire began shooting out of it and almost roasted the motherboard
>quickly flipped power switch and unplugged everything power cable ran to
>swapped the cable with a fresh one, tried it with a dummy drive, and no fire
>pc works with fresh install, but the two drives that were in it are unsalvageable
Should he be trying to sue someone for faulty parts that almost burned my house down? The drive in question was 5+ years old, but the power cable was new.

>> No.66333736

Will I regret buying a 4TB 5400rpm drive?

>> No.66333744

Can you elaborate on the skimpy part

>> No.66333790

Hey thank you. I’ve acrually been doing some research since I posted that. I changed my graphics card to this one since it has 4GB and seems to have good reviews. What do you think?The total went down after this new build though, so I guess I can get a 6GB graphics card if you think I really should. What do you recommend?
Changed the fan as well.

I also changed the power source, thank you for the heads up.

I’m not seeing that motherboard you are talking about, perhaps it’s not compatible with my build?

Here’s the new build

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>needing more

>> No.66333978
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I'm planning on building a new gaming PC soon, which OS should I use? My last one had Windows 7 until now and I never felt any issue with it. I heard that 8 is pretty bad, and that 10 can have plenty of issues with user privacy and other things related to piracy or something.

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Is this thing a meme?

>> No.66334073

Best X470 mobo for around $250AUD (~190USD)

>> No.66334116

aorus ultra i guess. has a clockgen even if its cheap

>> No.66334147

Keep in mind its like the same board as the gaming 5 from memory

>> No.66334154

If you're referring to the ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q 27" 2K WQHD 165Hz IPS G-Sync monitor, which costs aroud $700, then I can recommend it but only if you have the spare cash and a 1080/1080Ti GPU to back it up for gaming.

If you do, then its the best g-sync IPS panel you can buy for gaming. I compared the colour accuracy to my Dell IPS (which I use for photo editing) and it's actually quite good. The only problem is poor contrast due to blacklight bleeding, but for goaming you don't care about that, as a lot of people up the brightness to see things more easily anyway.

>> No.66334160

yeah. i own the gaming 5. theres no point getting gaming 5 if you dont need wifi.

>> No.66334168

My WD Red is great. Dunno about other drives.

>> No.66334177

Can you recommend a monitor one or two notches lower in the price/performance hierarchy? I have no clue what I should be looking for but I gathered that I should go for 1440p 144Hz.

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Guys I feel like a brainlet here. What do I look for when buying a motherboard?

>> No.66334332

rgb ofcourse. if you dont have rgb on your motherboard, you're not even trying

>> No.66334388

997 MHz?
What do you need more than 200MHz for?

>> No.66334578

Do you need Gsync or Freesync?
The Acer Predator 27 inch 1440p 165hz IPS monitor should be a bit cheaper than the ROG one and it's basically the same.
1440p 144hz Monitors with Gsync/Freesync aren't exactly cheap but they are worth the price if you are willing to pay in my opinion.

>> No.66334613

USB Ports
If you aren't building a fucking supercomputer or server, motherboard is largely irrelevant just as long as it works for your build. Spending $200 extra on a "gaming" motherboard won't give you as much as benefit as spending $200 or more on a graphics card. Pretty much all motherboards these days have enough ram slots and ports for your normal computer user.

>> No.66334636

For Gaming, Windows 10. There's plenty of simple guides around to disable the privacy stuff.

>> No.66334767

You need specify whats important to you:

- do you want game at 1080p or 2K?
- do you have an nVidia or AMD card? (for g-synce or freesync)
- what size screen can you fit on your desk?

Honestly, just googling 'best gaming monitors under X amount' will probably get you what you want.

>> No.66334874

I went through steam and quite a bit of game recommended the 1060. Does this mean if I get a 1060 6gb I'm getting a card that is going to be obsolete soon? I have 1080p 60hz monitors.

>> No.66334920

It's Nvidia. It's already a cointoss whether it'll be obsolete a few months after the next architecture comes out.

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I just want to have a computer that will last me a long time and that I'll be happy using. When I think about it it's literally just two weeks more.

>> No.66335233

My parents have two laptops, one with i5-3210M and the other with i3-4005U. I know that GHz are not a good metric, that's why I'm asking here. How shit are these processors? Good enough for web + multimedia (HD resolution only)? I was planning to throw two shitty 120GB SSDs in there and do a clean install, maybe upgrade to Windows 7 (in my experience shitty laptops are even more shitty with new Windows and I'm not gonna fuck around setting BT, Wi-Fi, touchpad and other drivers on GNU/Linux). Will it be enough?
Also, any distro that could theoretically get me all the drivers needed?

>> No.66335234 [DELETED] 

Should I wait for 7nm Zen or get 2600x/2700x now?

>> No.66335249

Should I wait for 7nm Zen or get 2600x/2700x now?

>> No.66335315

Is laptop fan replacement (for something quieter) viable or not really?

>> No.66335334

Going to upgrade my PC using college loan/grant money in August. Would the 1060 still be a good value at that time?

>> No.66335438

>I am thinking of the 2400g, even though it's not on par as the 1060 (either) it would be like half the price of total costs so im considering it
The 2400G is A LOT better of a choice than the 8100.
Not only does it have an iGPU that's perfectly capable of playing CSGO at like 100+ fps,
But GTA5 at close to 60. More around 60 on "normal" settings instead of "high" or 900p.

It's often on sale for like $130, and it will give you a much better upgrade path in the future.
The iGPU difference between 2200G/2400G and Intel CPUs is just... incomparable.

You could also consider something like the i5-8400 or 2600 plus a GTX 1050. 1060 really sounds complete overkill for what you play. But given your budget is tight, 2400G and upgrading later sounds like the best option for you.

Ryzen works great on Linux for me.

>I've also heard that battlefield performance tanks when SMT is on
>I would blame EA and get on with it
On launch its performance on Ryzen was an outlier bad, but I thought they patched it...?

Anyway, like I said, even if a game performs worse with SMT off in benchmarks, you should generally still leave it on because it will handle background processes better and generally maintain better minimums in real world usage. Maybe that anon has a pirated unpatched version of the game.

Best to make a completely new side panel from a piece of acrylic.

>> No.66335469

you are going to be poor by life if you keep making stupid decisions like this. Also dont forget to recognize the amount of loans/grants not directly being used for tuition/fees as income on your tax return brainlet.

>> No.66335473

is undervolting a 2700x a valid way to overclock?
will voltage offset work alongside normal XFR voltage and clock speed scaling and such?

>> No.66335479

I am allowed to use these for educational expenses brainlet. My college requires a PC.

>> No.66335543

Aesthetics and retardation, mostly.

Strix Vega56 is almost surely Hynix HBM.
You can still probably overclock it to the 900ish range... just likely not 950+ or 1050+ or whatever you were hoping for.
You can still get +/- GTX 1080 performance out of it with an undervolt and overclock. Just if you want actual 64 overclocked performance in 99% of games, you need the Samsung HBM.
but desu probably not worth it. AFAIK you can't set core voltage lower than HBM voltage, as AFAIK the HBM voltage is controlled by the Vega die. So to get those high Samsung HBM clocks, it's at high voltage, and you can no longer undervolt the core, and you use A LOT of power, like 70-100w or so, for that extra 6-8% perf.

It's okay... but spending $180 on a 1050Ti when you can get that RX580 4GB for $210 is mega retarded unless you need PCI-only power.

Saying Vega 56 is $400 MSRP and 1070Ti is $450 MSRP is extremely misleading.
$400 was promotional MSRP, and really it was $500. AIB cards wound up being more in the $480-$580 MSPR range.

Should just remove MSRPs from OP anyway, as they are misleading.
1060 is $230 MSRP, same as RX580, despite generally being the worse buy unless someone already has Gsync or has no plans to upgrade from a no-sync monitor. It implies that closer to MSRP = better buy, which is really misleading.
At this point, all GPU prices have come down enough that it's pointless to list MSRPs in OP.

Yes, 2600X is a major upgrade over Sandy/Ivy for everything.
In RCPS3 you will have to fiddle with config files to get expected performance sometimes (less so with 2600X than 2700X, oddly. For some reason it mainly messes up with 16 threads but 12 threads not so much), but it otherwise works.

Auto OC work fine. Gives you a starting point to try dialing in tighter, at least.

As deep storage? Obviously fine.

If you already have a 1080Ti, you have no chocie. You memed into Goysync.

>> No.66335550

Should I buy a 1700x for $200?

>> No.66335587

About to take the plunge on this <£800 1080p game and porn machine.

The storage is small because I will get disks from my old pc.

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/DMMt3b
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/DMMt3b/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor (£185.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI - B350M MORTAR ARCTIC Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£83.32 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Team - Dark 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£82.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: Kingston - A400 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£26.39 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: PNY - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Video Card (£226.80 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Inwin - 301 White MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£55.44 @ SmartTeck.co.uk)
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MasterWatt 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£50.95 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £711.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-13 14:50 BST+0100

>> No.66335599

In what world are loans considered income dummy?

>> No.66335666

The Nixeus edg 27 or whatever for overall best Freesync. Has adaptive overdrive like Gsync monitors, and Nixeus has good warranty support and QC. $430 and is on sale for $350 sometimes.
That Mbest korean monitor on ebay. $300 and has extremely low response time, input latency. The lowest response of any 1440p 144hz IPS, as far as I'm aware.
The new Monoprice one has HDR support with 8bit+FRC, though it is a TN.

For Gsync, that ASOS ROG one that's basically the Nixeus but costs twice as much.

For gaming? No get a 2600X.
For non-gaming? Like rendering, dedicated encoder, VMs and servers? Then yeah the 8 cores are better.

I've heard people getting better results with undervolting... SenseMi wants you to stay under 67C, IIRC, to clock higher. It's incredibly odd and so new and different that I'm not exactly sure. Ryzen overclocking in some ways behaves more like a Pascal GPU than traditional CPU.
>will voltage offset work alongside normal XFR voltage and clock speed scaling and such?
You could certainly try PBO maxed, and setting like a -0.05v offset. If that isn't stable, try -0.025v. Ever.

Don't waste your money when you're in college. Just do a small 2400G build. Why could you possibly need more when you won't have that much time to game?

Depends on what you're currently on... if you're on 4c/4t and stuttering, freezing, and not satisfied with its performance, and have the money, no point in waiting. Not like you can't upgrade a gain later if you want.

What location are these prices? You should have included a link.
Any particular reason for 1060/1070Ti over 580 or Vega56? What even is your monitor already when 1060 was a consideration that got changed to 1070ti? I'm guessing 1080p 144hz Gsync?
Assuming you're using StoreMi? Otherwise you should just get the 1TB MX500 and drop the NVMe.

Not really but repasting can drop temps and noise down a ton.

>> No.66335685

I already have a PC. Upgrading my GPU would only cost $230.

>> No.66335744

Is there any reason to go for the Fractal Design Define Mini C over the Focus G Mini? I've heard that the Focus G is better despite being cheaper.

>> No.66335758

Out of Interest how long could you guys see the i7-4790K still being capable of running near future games? All the new cpu's seem to be slamming out more cores and higher clock speeds. I wondered how long it would still stand up. I hate the idea of replacing a working cpu just to run stuff I want, unless the mobo dies.

>> No.66335774

huh ram overclocking sure is fiddly huh

>> No.66335804

next gen consoles (2020 prob) will be using Ryzen, maybe MOAR CORES will be important then
the bigger difference is DDR4 and RAM speed

>> No.66335820

still waiting on msi to fuck off with these 15s post times on b350

>> No.66335831

Ahh ok, I imaging if my mobo goes, it'll be harder to find a decent replacement as well, sucks, but I guess it's the nature of computer tech

>> No.66335867

How much of a difference does RAM speed even make? Slower speed RAM is a lot cheaper, and with how retardedly expensive RAM is I might go for that instead.

What's the minimum you should look at for something like a Ryzen 2600 or 2700?

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thanks anon, i'll give it a shot today probably, just wanted something approaching reliable information on how voltage offset interacts with it all


heavily mitigates 0.1% minimum frametimes i.e. microstutter, and on top of that has a pretty outsized effect on ryzen vs intel

i would say 2133 is disgusting, 2400 is my absolute cost-saving bottom of the barrel minimum, the ideal is 3200 cl14, and going higher than this usually comes along with higher CL values which means it's not worth it for the small margins on top of a higher risk of memory instability and data corruption even with really high-binned memory

>> No.66335934

>How to install older Windows with USB 3
>link expired

>> No.66335944

Can anyone recommend a good portrait monitor or does it not really matter already have two 27 inch 1440p monitors so not sure what to get.

>> No.66336010
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Would a Noctua NH-D15 block the M.2 SSD top port in a Asus Rog X Hero?

I know I will need to raise one fan to make room for my memory, but this will not be a problem.

>> No.66336124

Depends on how much you want to spend, pretty sure that most Dell Ultrasharp models can be turned 90 degrees, but if you want something other than 16:9 then it's a pain to find.

>> No.66336132

How well does a 1070 actually work at 1440p/144hz? Thats my current gpu and a 1080p/144hz monitor, so I`m kinda confused, my fist option is to upgrade to a new monitor + peripherials or just start a build from scratch ( atm i5 6500, 8gb ram, 1070)

>> No.66336143

on my x code, m2 slots sit under heatsinks hugging the mobo

>> No.66336148

Got myself a b350m mortar with trident z rgb. Ram is not listed on qvl will it work?

>> No.66336164

Yes, make sure to update bios asap.

>> No.66336171

WIll do thank you

>> No.66336203

I wonder how well a system built today (with an 8700K+1080, say) will handle games targeting the next consoles.

>> No.66336209

Why are you considering spending $230 on a 3GB card instead of $210 on a 4GB card?

Sometimes older models cost more to scam retards. Simple as that.

Should still do 60fps minimums for a while now. So still pretty good for 1440p.
Though newer CPUs are much better performance, 4c/8t at Haswell level IPC or greater is still going to hang on for a while when it comes to "good enough". Will be a long while until they turn to stuttering messes like 4c/4t CPUs, if even.
Next gen consoles will almost surely be 4c/8t or 6c/12t at most, though.
The 2400G is like... 4x more CPU performance of those consoles. Double the IPC, and nearly 4GHz instead of 2.3GHz of the Xbox One X.
It's likely to be 4c/8t at around 2.8-3GHz which would give it almost 3x the performance of the current generation's best.
Why would they add more cores for no reason when that's all the CPU performance they'd need?
I could see them being 6c/12t or even 1c/2t simply to give the OS and such an extra core or 2 so games themselves get complete access to 8 threads.

Are you using latest BIOS? I thought they fixed that. Is it a fault with the board itself of some production run and not the BIOS?

I have no idea what the
was for desu.

You can get 2666 @ 1.2v RAM and overclock it. Tends to be best budget. Especially Crucial Ballistix Sport LT as it's also dual rank which gets you better performance over SR.
If it's 2666 at higher than 1.2v then it's already overclocked and shit.

HP ZR24w panel-only I've seen for $80. Obviously need a VESA mount with.

Why would you even consider buying Nvidia when you plan to get a new monitor, unless it's a 1080ti? It's going to cost you like $200-$350 extra.

Probably only slightly worse than actually having a Navi GPU.

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Device initialization takes a lot of time since every part of the system has to talk to the CPU
Sorry guys I fucked the link
Will be fixed next time probably

>> No.66336242

Is it worth upgrading an i5 4430 to a 8400 now? It seems that people are saying that the good processors are all these new Ryzen, and the OP even recommends a R5 2600 for gaming.

>> No.66336268

>miners keep supply low and drives prices up
>GPU designers see no point in spending on R and D to make better products and just resell old shit
>your average faggot couldn't afford mid range cards
>your average gaymer doesn't have le ebin latest grafix
>game devs realize that a huge chunk of their cashcows have shit-tier machines
>game devs now forced to optimize their shit and reduce bloat instead of using the yearly updates in technology as a crutch
Have you thanked miners today, /g/?
t.faggot who got a 1080 last year for $500 a few days before the price explosion, and is currently mining a shitcoin with my 1600 and 1080

>> No.66336271


Thanks. So, would you have to remove the CPU heatsink if you want to replace de ssd? And is there room for the ssd heatsink?

>> No.66336305

More memory does not make it better in all respects.

>> No.66336310

rn i have a 1070 and want to upgrade my monitor, I really dont know how well the 1070 fare at taht resolution with newer games, If I see that the gpu struggles much I will start a build from scratch with a 1080ti on mind

>> No.66336329

intel still wins by a small margin on pure gaming, but ryzen is more cost-effective factoring in the good stock heatsinks and the fact that AM4 will support new ryzen chips until at least 2020

think about it like this: for the first time in a long fucking time, being an ethical consumer gets you top-of-the-line computer hardware at competitive prices

>> No.66336451
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Do you really think half a year of nobody buying a video card would force devs to improve at all?
M.2 heatsinks are real thin and mostly for show so you won't have issues with tower coolers

>> No.66336475

i5-8400 is good value if you can't afford more, and depends to perform better in prebuilts where you can't min-max so much yourself to get the most out of Ryzen.
But a 2600X with fast RAM only costs like $40-$80 more total and gets you way better performance in every way, even gaming, as well as a better upgrade path since AM4 is supported until 2020.

If your grandparents only gave you X amount to upgrade a PC and you can't sell lemonade to increase your budget, i5-8400 sometimes being the only thing that fits a certain budget and is okay then.

It's not that Nvidia and AMD don't "want" to spend on R&D "because of miners". It's just that Pascal largely hit the wall of performance you can obtain clock-for-clock, and clock speeds that you can obtain. Only die shrinks will improve things.
AMD and Nvidia both invested in HPC instead as gaming perf they could deliver without simply die shrinking was largely not there.
Though obviously AMD could have improved theirs a bit. They needed to improve their CU scaling in games, and they need higher clock speeds at so much energy cost. But there wasn't really low hanging fruit for them since apparently they can't get the same "automatic" culling of Polygons that Maxwell got.

>game devs realize that a huge chunk of their cashcows have shit-tier machines
Game devs have always seemed to target a 7970 or 7850 for their minimum reqs the past few years, it seems. Some of the most common older cards that also have good performance.

>> No.66336536

Vega56 + Freesync 144hz 1440p monitor will both be cheaper and heavily outperform 1070 + Gsync 144hz 1440p monitor.
There's no point in getting the later. Only point in buying a 1070 is because you already have a gsync monitor and don't want a monitor upgrade.

It's not a month ago where Vega costs $900 and is pointless anymore.

I didn't say that.
Unless you only play like GTAV and CSGO, and know you'll never play a new or upcoming game, there's no point in getting a 1060 3GB.
Lots of newer games use over 3GB, but not 4GB(at least at reasonable settings), and it shits the bed in stuff like RE7, Titanfall2, Shadow of Mordor, etc.
Even in a highly optimized game like Doom, its min fps is 30% lower than the 6GB model's, which is just a sign of things to come.

Sure you can drop settings to stay under 3GB, but it's currently far, far easier to keep settings under 4GB than 3GB. It seems like devs are mostly targeting 4GB VRAM at 1080p recently, at least as far as non-4K textures go.

>> No.66336544

>Do you really think half a year of nobody buying a video card would force devs to improve at all?
They will optimize ebin graphics for 1060-tier cards or will be forced to start programming to take advantage of multiple CPU cores instead of relying on GPUs to transfer some of the workload.
>It's not that Nvidia and AMD don't "want" to spend on R&D "because of miners"
It wasn't "because of miners," it's because "our shit gets sold regardless and we don't need to push out newer stuff yearly (because of miners"
>Game devs have always seemed to target a 7970 or 7850 for their minimum reqs
>minimum reqs
Based miners will make the 7970 the recommended req again

>> No.66336557

>M.2 heatsinks are real thin and mostly for show so you won't have issues with tower coolers


>> No.66336641

What's a good B350 motherboard to go with Ryzen 5 1600/GTX1060 6GB? I am planning on buying the B350 Tomahawk so far but motherboard reviews seem to be all over the place.

>> No.66336697

get an X370 board for better CPU/RAM OCs brah
MSI X370 Gaming Plus is like +$10 more

>> No.66336712

please respond

>> No.66336747
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Why has /pcbg/ resorted to using traps as an OP image?

>> No.66336791

>our shit gets sold regardless and we don't need to push out newer stuff yearly
Well in this case, why wouldn't it?
It gives you the performance you want for decent prices.

You think this is something sudden, but it's been culminating for years.
Games requirements haven't been going up LONG before this. You had games released in 2017, 2018, which were in development for years long before
>mining shit
and came out with the same sort of minimum and recommended requirements of games that came out in 2015.

The thing is... devs have actually been getting a lot better at optimizing. Yes, Intel stagnated CPUs onto 4c/8t, but also graphic cards haven't been getting as more powerful as you seem to think.
And they are often using tech for consoles, which is also 8 threads, and basically a Polaris GPU.
Games look and run way better on the same hardware that they did years ago, for the most part. Look at Far Cry 3 vs Far Cry 5.

It might have seemed like Nvidia was releasing a new arch each year or two and making huge improvements up until Pascal, but Fermi->Keplar as all to simply catch up with with older GCN. Maxwell still wasn't hugely better except in perf/watt. Otherwise the older 290X still kept up with the newer GTX 980, just not in perf/watt.

So again, don't see why this seems like some new revelation to you. We've largely just had minor optimizations and die shrinks for 7 years.

I also don't think AMD's 2020 arch will be so BTFO for CURRENT games, either. But it looks like it's going to have a massive array of features that can be optimized for to get better performance *if* it's optimized for. There's no magical way to get more raster and fp32 compute performance since Pascal.

>> No.66336799

>windows GUI corruption out of nowhere
moving the window to force it to re-render the title bar fixed it but now i'm fucking spooked
is my gpu dying? and if so are prices even close to normalised yet?

>> No.66336846

Is the Spire that comes with the 2600X good enough if I'm not OCing?

>> No.66336877

Is a 2200g good enough for a 1060 6gb? Or should I stick with a 2400g?

>> No.66336894

brainlet question
but the model number for the x470 aorus ultra is 12BB1-EX470ARUG-00AR right?

>> No.66336901
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120GB drives just aren't worth buying since StoreMI free version scales to 256GB
With a 2600X you should be buying ATX since there are no mATX X470s
And better PSU
What else do I use

>> No.66336902

>1080 two years and counting, no successor
Two years and not even the annual +10% performance increase on the same tier. I want this to continue so devs actually implement creative and intelligent solutions for gayman. Giving them too much headroom was a mistake

>> No.66336965

What is this?

>> No.66337021

Would I be fine with a 1060 3gb instead of 6gb if I don't mind lowering the settings on gaymes a bit? (i5 8400 cpu if that matters)

>> No.66337060
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Next gen chipset that has support for 2000-series out of the box so you don't have to flash a BIOS with a different CPU
Like I said you also get free StoreMI
3GB kinda sucks since they gimped the GPU desu

>> No.66337096

All right I'll go for 6gb my man, I'd probably regret getting a 3gb

>> No.66337098

I am waiting for new mobos for ryzen 2600x and i can't afford 16gb 3200 cl14, should i got with 3000 cl15 or 3200 cl16? i am a brainlet when it comes to OC
Maybe that one can help you

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Nobody knows about laptop CPUs here?

>> No.66337146

Well the Wang Man has said they're aiming for a new Radeon release every year. But apparently that won't start until next year, unless they're keeping quiet about a 12nm Polaris refresh.

So he agrees with you. Even if it's only a ~10% performance jump, people don't like how it feels to be on the same thing so long (even though 7970 all the way to RX580 isn't a super massive change. A bit more perf per clock, better dedicated encoders/decoders, die shrink, etc.)
I moved from a 7970 to RX580, and wish I had upgraded to an RX480 sooner now that I see there were a lot of things I didn't realize I was missing because I was just looking at the 40-70% gaming FPS increase.

But also, the time between now and Pascal's release isn't much longer than between Maxwell and Pascal.
2014, September, 24th for GTX 980
2016, May, 6th for GTX 1080.
So the 1180 release date isn't that behind compared to those. But yes, if not for miners, but really FAR more to do with the conclusion of memory fabricators making GDDR6 or any VRAM too expensive, we likely would have had a June/July release for the 1180, if not honestly the beginning of this year, instead of what's looking like an August release at the earliest.

But there's virtually no R&D gone into the 1180, from the indications I see. It's a Pascal die shrink with likely a GDDR6 memory controller, and possibly async compute support (which would actually be a big deal, but it's been a long time coming). It's NOT Volta. It's almost surely not going to have tensor cores.

You will have to play on medium for quite a few games to stay over a constant 60, like even in Titanfall 2.
I would seriously not recommend it. I'd much more recommend 4gb RX570 or 580.
There was one the other day for $210 on Newegg with a coupon code, though I haven't checked if it's still on sale or not.

Or get a used card. I'd even recommend a 970 over a 1060 3GB, as much as I hate to recommend that. At least it +500mb more and is cheaper.

>> No.66337159

idk just didn't see it.
It's a shitty dual core isn't it?
On a large node process.

You could get a much better new laptop with a 2500U for like $450.
Should be some Ryzen Vega embedded Chromebooks coming for $300ish as well.

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Yeah, but even 300USD is a lot of money for them and I doubt a chromebook would have more power. So you claim that the CPUs won't even be able to browse the web and play HD media smoothly or what? I've tried the laptops and it seemed that their disks are at almost 100% all the time, so I hoped that changing drives (30USD for a 120GB SSD and they are currently only using 40GB) would solve the problem. I'm just not 100% sure i5-3210M and i3-4005U won't cause some hangups on their own and if it's worth the time investment.

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Budget build.
HDD are raid 0 and cannibalized from previous build. It's for steam games. Nothing I can't recover goes on there.

>> No.66337395

>Only Z300 series Intel boards can utilize memory over 2666MHz
Is this still up to date?

>> No.66337452

-0.15V here. pbo scalar 10X.

>> No.66337459
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I just finshed my first build, installed windows and all my games, and every fucking one of them crashes to desktop after a few minutes unless I run them as administrator. I've reinstalled all my drivers and checked everything I can without physically opening the case back up. I'm fucking stumped.
My specs
Asus prime b350 plus mobo
Ryzen 5 1600 cpu (stock cooler)
EVGA gtx 1060 sc
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3000MHz

Has this happened to any of you lads?

>> No.66337499

How far do you get into the game? Do you see loading screens or a menu?

>> No.66337518

I don't know about Ivy Bridge, as the dedicated decoders got some improvement there, but I know that sandy bridge iGPU does not have enough performance for 1080p 60fps decoding. Sometimes not even 1080p 30fps in, say, Twitch for example.
Having to CPU decode on 2 slow cores would be shit.

But... I have no first hand experience with 3rd or 4th gen core iGPU. From what I can see, it's quite a big step up from the 2nd gen so it might actually be sufficient.

I missed this one in the original post.
But er... it's actually a worse iGPU. It sounds better, being a "HD 4400" instead of "HD4000" but it's actually roughly the same thing, from what I can tell?
I can't find info on the decoders, and how well it handles streaming video.

But the 3rd gen is actually the more powerful CPU unless I'm missing something with the iGPU.

Ultimately, the only way is to try it and see.
Windows 10 has a GPU usage indicator in task manager to see how much a site is using the video decoder. There should be a similar replacement task manager for windows 7 to try it out.
But I wouldn't buy an SSD for it until you confirm it can actually decode video well and do GPU acceleration for web page rendering well.

Dunno what PBO scalar 10x is because each motherboard manufacturer does their own thing.
That sounds like a good result, thuogh. So you're getting like ~4GHz all core boost in Cinebench, or what?

That's cool that that works. I'm looking forward to Zen2 next year. I couldn't wait to upgrade off my 2500k

Latest motherboard BIOS and Nvidia drivers?? Play something that dumps an error log on crash and pastebin that.

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Will any inferior motherboard (micro-ATX, etc.) fit a PC case which supports ATX motherboards?

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>> No.66337532
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>been a waitfag since early january this year
>cards keep getting delayed
>new info says they'll be more expensive than a 1080 ti
I'm so close to just getting a 1080ti at this point bros.... I'll never waitfag ever again

>> No.66337554

The game runs fine for like fine minutes, except for one game which has no video during the opening cutscene but the audio still plays.
Most of them have no error message except for War Thunder, which is updating rn and my internet is shit so it'll take like 20 minutes. I'll get the error message when it gets running.

>> No.66337563

*five minutes

>> No.66337578

here are some results when i was testing.
multiplier OC

pbo 10x @ -0.15V on vcore.

nearly the same single core performance man.

>> No.66337591

im on stock cooler btw. might replace it sometime.

1800~ points on cinebench. allcore on pbo reaches 4.0~4.25ghz something

>> No.66337619

>game occasionally freezes on exit
>hard drive use is at 100%

What could be the cause?

>> No.66337625


>> No.66337634

Did you clean install your games or transfer them. Also, try reseating ram and videocard.

>> No.66337651

Clean install. And I'll reseat them if nothing else works

>> No.66337713

Yes. You can even sometimes fit ATX in mATX cases.

What do you even need a 1080Ti for? If you needed more performance, you should have got it.

I didn't say error message. I said logs dump. Many games dump a log file in their folder or your user folder when they crash.

~4GHz at 1.29V seems pretty good, while also not losing you 4.35GHz single core. That's good to know.
Well 1810 is stock score. But you probably have things in the background slowing it down.

CLEAN INSTALL. Many games generate a config on install for your hardware. This is why a lot of 1st gen Ryzen benchmarks were shit, because a lot of reviewers used the same SSD which had them configured for 4 cores and shit.

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Im looking to build a modest computer that I can reasonably upgrade over time. How do you know what motherboard/CPU socket types will be supported down the line, so if I want to upgrade to a better CPU it will be possible?

>> No.66337743

>What do you even need a 1080Ti for? If you needed more performance, you should have got it.
I have a 750 ti now and I can play the games I want with decent framerate on low setting, but there's games coming out in the future I want to play and preferably with more fps and higher settings.

>> No.66337744

AM4 has support until 2020.
Intel changes chipset without retroactive compatibility every year or two.

>build a modest computer that I can reasonably upgrade over time
Probably 2400G but you might want to wait for B450 boards and hope there are some better mATX options this time around.

>> No.66337792

thanks bro, that helps narrow things down.

>> No.66337799

>I said logs dump. Many games dump a log file in their folder or your user folder when they crash.
What file extension would they use? How can I check if it's the correct one?

>> No.66337854

1080Ti is the only card (currently) that can play every game on 4k max settings. With maybe the exception being warhammer.
But from what I read the price is unreasonably high.

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>What else do I use

Also what size SSD would be good for use as a boot drive for windows 10.

>> No.66338005

i have poop ram ;(

>> No.66338086

LMAO. So you're probably on a 1080p 60hz monitor. And you think you needed 1080Ti , a $700 GPU for that. Why?

You should have just bought an RX470 when they were fucking $90-$125, dude. Should have done some more research to fit your needs and monitor instead of planning to spend a ton of money for nothing.

What happen?

>1080Ti is the only card (currently) that can play every game on 4k max settings
Lmao what? Where did you get this lie from?
Do you count
as 30fps? Because I don't. I consider 60fps+ the standard minimum. I don't even find 30 playable except in extremely slow paced games. But I'd still rather have 60 in something like Cities Skylines.
1080Ti can't even do 4k 60fps in an old ass game like Fallout 4.
Titan V is the only card that can *almost* reliably do 4k 60fps at max or near max settings.

Google "_name of game_ crash log file location"

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>> No.66338122

A friend of mine is looking to get a budget gaming pc for $300-400, but I don't know a whole lot about performance of budget parts. He wants to play Rust, Overwatch, and maybe some GTAV. He wants 1080p 60fps at maybe medium settings or so.

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>LMAO. So you're probably on a 1080p 60hz monitor. And you think you needed 1080Ti , a $700 GPU for that. Why?
>You should have just bought an RX470 when they were fucking $90-$125, dude. Should have done some more research to fit your needs and monitor instead of planning to spend a ton of money for nothing.
dumb assuming cunt, 750ti is my backup card, had to sell my 780ti early this year, I have a 144hz monitor and I would like to make use of it, I guess I could get a 1070 ti instead, but otherwise my options are kinda limited except wait even longer.

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>3.7GHz core 60% faster than my 4.5Ghz core

>> No.66338202

mind you, this is with poop ram. 3200 mHz 16-19-19-45-74-1 (tCAS-tRC-tRP-tRAS-tCS-tCR)
micron bullshit. the chip inside the new batches of hyperx fury ddr4-2400

>> No.66338302
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>pic related is wattage estimates for 5.5L/minute flow rate and 2012-era fans (so, NF-F12)
>LiqTech TR4 pump can push 7.5L/minute, raw 1.36x improvement, probably closer to 1.25x improvement as other bottlenecks come into picture
>2018-era fans (NF-A12x25) can push about 1.25x for the same speed/noise
>LiqTech TR4 240 with NF-A12x25s can cool 550-625w of power
>Threadripper 1 overclocked to 4GHz locked consumes ~300-350w (350w just to be estimating high)
>Ryzen 2 consumes less power at same clocks, 2700x consumes around 125-150w @ 4GHz vs 1800x's 150-175w @ 4GHz
>Threadripper 2 16-core should consume around 250-300w clocked to 4GHz, 32-core should consume almost exactly double that, 500-600w
>32 cores at 4GHz locked coolable at peak capacity 24/7 with a single 240mm radiator
August cannot come soon enough.

>> No.66338390

Nothing will reliably drive 144fps in every single game if it's non-sync.

2200G overclocked is about your only option.
Could maybe try to find a used/refurbished Haswell or later i5 and put a used 970 or 380 in it.

Yes, 300W+ on such a large surface area is really not very difficult to cool.
You should almost surely be using PBO offset on TR2, though, just like on Ryzen 2000 CPUs. But you can expect around the same 250-300W peak.
Pinning the cores may be better for a Cinebench nT run, but day-to-day performance with PBO is far better.

I also wouldn't be surprised if TR2 ends up being like 4.45GHz boost, and if you just pinned to 4GHz all core then you'd lose out on that boost. So don't, again.

>> No.66338403

>Nothing will reliably drive 144fps in every single game if it's non-sync.
Right, but 1080ti would be the closest right?
Apologize for making fun of me

>> No.66338494

>I also wouldn't be surprised if TR2 ends up being like 4.45GHz boost
I can definitely see that for the 8 through 16 core models, maybe even the 24 core model, but the 32 core model is targeting a 250w TDP. That's the same wattage as 4 stock 2700s stuck together, at around 3.3-3.5GHz under load. I can't see them rating it for more than 3.3GHz base with a 4GHz XFR2 boost at just 250w TDP. Maybe if the power consumption is unlocked (either by default or by BIOS setting) it'll allow XFR2 to do its thing and keep the CPU at exactly the cooler's capacity, but my post was a *worst case* estimate for TR2's 32 core model. In actuality, yeah, the performance will probably be much, much better.

>> No.66338516

Stop giving me things to make fun of.

You need Gsync with those cards or else you'll be locking games to 72fps on your monitor to keep it from tearing.
Unless you want to fiddle around and keep changing your frame rate lock from 72 to 144 depending on what you're playing, you're best off just getting something that runs what you play at 72fps.

Buying a 144hz no-sync monitor, especially when you had a 750ti, was a really terrible idea.

>> No.66338517

i really hope its the bios that will limit it. older x399 mobos are only designed for 16 cores in mind.

>> No.66338532

I didn't buy it when I had a 750ti you dumbo and screen tearing is barely visible at 100+ fps.

>> No.66338535

32 core could still boost to 4.45GHz (or higher). It's just its all-core boost which'll be lower.
Seems like performance could be sketchy if Windows doesn't schedule right. It's supposed to factor in whether cores have an MC or not, but who knows.

Lots of launch X399 boards were overbuilt and should support ~400w.

>> No.66338544

I get that 72 is half 144 but why would you need to lock it to that number

>> No.66338595

Eeeh, even the mATX board, the X399M Taichi, has 11 phases with 60 amp parts. That'll drive a lot of power with very little waste, I can see (at least ASRock's over designed VRMs) driving 600w+ with very little airflow on the board.

Yeah, individual cores will definitely go higher, but Window's scheduler is retarded when you throw Threadripper at it. It may just throw everything it can at the NUMA nodes that aren't connected to memory directly, completely destroying performance in some benchmarks.

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No XMP aside from Z370 or Z390 when that comes out
Unless you mean X299 but that's a bigger waste of money than bitcoin
Why would you get an expensive SSD but cheap everything else? At least get 2666 RAM
This thread is certified completely straight so shadman isn't allowed

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>completely straight
>Trap in the OP
I think you've got your facts mixed up.

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>finnish putting my build together
>the final price is $1337
this is surely a sign from the PC-building gods

>> No.66338691

O right, you had a 780 or something.
Being somewhat near the framerate of it doesn't stop tearing, though. It just changes the point(s) in the screen where it tears and how often, and the torn frames aren't visible for as long so can be less noticeable. But it's still tearing and I guess you just can't see it. Also, some games are locked to 60fps like some console ports like Dark Souls.

Because screen tearing happens from a new frame being sent to the monitor when it's in the middle of drawing the previous frame, as frames don't refresh on the screen instantly but instead scan from top to bottom. At half the frame rate, you display the same frame twice for two refreshes at the correct timing that it doesn't tear.

Now you can use enhanced/fast sync, and that will stop tearing... but it can also duplicate the frame that's displayed when you're running under your monitor's refresh rate. Enhanced/fast sync are most useful when you want to run above your monitor's refresh rate in a game like CSGO so it responds faster while not having the tearing.

>> No.66338714

Wait so how do i run fast sync on windows for csgo? Its the only game i play

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>> No.66338967

Looks great, Rainbow Six Siege and PUBG will run fine lowering some settings

>> No.66339001

So the mobo of my father's PC just blew the fuck up because the PSU is Chinese garbage. It's one of those old 775s. Is it a good moment to buy CPUs now or is the next big leap coming up? I might get myself a new CPU and give him my current one, but I'm fine and don't really need it so if the prices are inflated like with GPUs or a new socket is coming up or something I'll pass and get a second hand 775 mobo to replace the old one

>> No.66339052

Ryzen 2000 series dropped just a few months ago, it's really damn good, and pretty cheap to boot. The 2600 is only $190 for 6c/12t. Any X470 motherboard you buy now is near-guaranteed to support the Ryzen 3 series (all X370 boards support Ryzen 2).
If you don't have DDR4, though, be prepared for that to be the most expensive component of your upgrade; prices are absurd right now, $200 for just 16GB.

>> No.66339075

What is the best RAM to pair with the Ryzen 2600x?

>> No.66339081

We're talking about an older gentleman here.

>> No.66339108

>$200 for just 16GB.
Newegg has some kits on sale for $160 if you don't care about RGB.

>> No.66339109

Without any pricing limit, 3600 @ CL15 is the best bin. You can expect 3200 @ CL13 or so (sometimes better) with super tight subtimings on the 2600x.

The Ryzen APUs are also really good, at just $96 for the 2200G. It's better than most i3s, and can be paired with dirt cheap A320 or B350 boards.

>> No.66339115

There's a few cheaper 3000+MHz kits, 2x4GB start at $90 and 2x8GB at $160

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Intel doesn't have anything great coming up (just the Z390 exclusive octacores), and AMD already has a really solid lineup so don't expect anything until next year
The 2200G sounds like it would work well for him

>> No.66339145

>$200 for just 16GB
holy shit that's crazy. I don't have DDR4 so there go my plans of changing the CPU. Last year I bought 4GB DDR3, second hand but almost new and perfectly working for like 15 bucks. PC component's prices are crazy these days.
Nope, you misunderstood, it would be for me in case I buy a new CPU, and I would leave my current mobo and processor to my father

>> No.66339158

To be fair the last time I checked was a couple months ago, some other posters are saying it's closer to $160 for 16GB. Still $10/gb, but not as bad as the $12.5 I thought it was. Plus, if you're rocking 4GB DDR3, you can probably go for a 2x4GB pack for much less.

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It's in your settings somewhere. Idk I don't really use Nvidia for gayming or on my main desktop. You'd have to google it or look around.

Why not just run PUBG at 900p upscaled? You should be able to get 60fps minimum on decent settings from what I've heard on a 2200G overclocked.
Or 1080p low. Isn't low settings better on that game to see people anyway?

You have the iGPU overclocked at like 1500MHz, right?

Lots of Jonsbo ones if you have a cool system and don't need tons of airflow.
I like my FT-03, even though I wish it was more compact without 3.5" drive support or more minimal 3.5" support. The 3.5" drive support sacrifices how small it could be.
Cooler Master came out with a new one that's like $35. There's tons of nice mATX cases in the ~$40 range, really. MasterBox Q300L, it's called. Mesh all around, so should cool well.

People kept recommending that fucking case to me. I'd look at it and just think
Some people really like the monolithic classic look, but it was pretty obvious it didn't really perform and wasn't optimal.

idk what live! AMD drivers even are.
>Anyway, rams running at 1/3rd speed as the pic shows
That's 2133.
But yes, memory compatibility is not as good on Ryzen 1000 series and older boards.

if this is for gaming, you should have 2666 memory with as low latency as you can reasonably afford.
>SSD that's only barely enough to fit windows 120gb
Why tho. Do you never load programs and just reboot windows all day long?
>$230 for a 3GB 1060 when you can get an RX580 4GB for $210
>$60 for a bronze psu
again why

Cannibalize some other 2700X recommendation that was given to someone in this thread or the last one and remove the GPU.

450 is fine. 550 if you want some extra.

No, 3600 CL14 is best. It's B-Die.
3600 CL15 can be a mix of well binned Hynix/Micron, or low binned Samsung.

>> No.66339266

Case name?

>> No.66339308

Don't listen to the retard saying shit like
>You need Gsync with those cards or else you'll be locking games to 72fps on your monitor to keep it from tearing.
That's utter bullshit.

>> No.66339435

what is this meme cpu cooler?

>> No.66339449

Here is the situation:
I have 8700k with Dell s2716dg. I have no GPU right now. Should I buy 1070 ti strix, which is currently on sale for price of 1070, or wait for 1180.

Or should I just get 1080 ti. I usually play AAA single player games, doom, dishonored 2, ass creed origins, etc.

>> No.66339456

I still have an old Z97 motherboard (ATX). It has a PCIE x16 slot for video, a PCIE x4 slot, and an M.2 slot that supports PCIE. If I get a PCIE M.2 SSD, will that interfere with the PCIE x4 slot? I plan on using it for a SATA card.

>> No.66339474

Google one of the ones I mentioned in the post and it'll come up.

Cryorig C1. The fan is actually slightly loud and I need to replace it. The heatsink is good tho.

It's true tho. Unless you're just blind and don't see tearing and microstuttering lmao. I can't assume people are just blind, though.

USUALLY it subtracts SATA ports for m.2, not x4 slot.

1070Ti is a good choice. It's only $400 for the Strix? Where?

>> No.66339528

How’d I do?

>> No.66339544

The Strix is on sale in Europe, Czech Republic.

>> No.66339584

>since january
Ha you are like baby I've been Just Waiting™ since september!

>> No.66339621

>Unless you're just blind and don't see tearing and microstuttering lmao.
Tearing AND microsuttering at the same time, fucking hell, do you know what the fuck you are talking about? Just fuck off with your G-sync meme.
People only need sync shit at 60hrz monitors if you are getting a high refresh monitor it already removes the problem to the point where nobody would care. Unless you are fucking rich and need to get the best of the best, the gold plated silver spoon for your mouth.

>> No.66339632

Ah okay. Well I'd go for it, seeing as how you already have a Gsync monitor. I have a Strix 1070 and it's well above and beyond other models I've seen, including the EVGA SC2.
I imagine the 1070Ti is the same story.

I keep hoping I can pull up a build and reply with
>Wow that actually looks great. Not much to say except maybe this one thing.
But instead I get constant disappointment.

I'd say start over from scratch. Nothing really redeemable here.
You also need to state your monitor specs (adaptive sync or not, hz, resolution) or model number.

>> No.66339689

Thoughts on this build? https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/gzs3w6
Want to use it for graphic drawing, 3d rendering and gaming.

>> No.66339695

how much of a rip off is vega 56 for $550 USD?
it should be plenty adequate for every game now and into the not too distant future at 1080p/freesync yeah?

>> No.66339715

I mean i got a vega 56 for $550 aud. Granted that was due to circumstances and all but still. Im buying a new one for $800 now so theres that

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Check the spec sheet
None of it really makes any sense
Name a price point and we can help you do something better
I would rather get B-die than RGB memory
Strix is quite a bit more convenient to use than Prime
Not really worth it unless it's under $500 desu

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B450 WHEN?

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I'm about to pull the trigger on this budget setup .
anything else I should consider to save money besides the ram I know I could save and get 8gb but RGB Rgb rgb

>> No.66339796

Is that really the cheapest 3200 ddr4?

Id go
Drop kbm
Slightly cheaper psu

>> No.66339820

I have a Define S. Which cooler should I stick in it if I plan on overclocking a Ryzen?

>> No.66339825 [DELETED] 

>500 euro for a TN screen.
I'll never understand why people do this to themselves. Why even ask? You have to be aware you have more money to waste than sense.

Why is it that much?
$530 is okay for the Strix or Nitro, I guess, if you don't want to OC and just want good stock performance.
Other models should be around $450-$505.
Maybe you should just get 2x4GB memory, too.
I'm guessing you already bought the case.
$600 just seems like a whole lot for a 2400G build without case and an only 240gb SSD.

is memory b-die?
$70 PSU... why don't you get like a $35 gold 550w? They're on sale for that price like twice a week.

>> No.66339836

>500 euro for a TN screen.
I'll never understand why people do this to themselves. Why even ask? You have to be aware you have more money to waste than sense.

Why is it that much?
$530 is okay for the Strix or Nitro, I guess, if you don't want to OC and just want good stock performance.
Other models should be around $450-$505.

is memory b-die?
$70 PSU... why don't you get like a $35 gold 550w? They're on sale for that price like twice a week.
Maybe you should just get 2x4GB memory, too.
I'm guessing you already bought the case.
$600 just seems like a whole lot for a 2400G build without case and an only 240gb SSD.

>> No.66339867

its definitely not the cheapest Ram but i know it's compatible and I'll pay extra 10 -20 for RgB

And I think i want to stick with dedicated vega graphics and then hopefully by like black Friday I can get a rx 580 or 1070 for a reasonable price. i think that beats overpaying for a 1050 ti today

>> No.66339870

Here's my build
The 30 dollar operating system is supposed to say Windows 10 as I am getting it from Kinguin. Also I know the storage and the power supply could be better but the total price of the pc is as high as I'm going.

>> No.66339898

Would having B-die make a noticeable difference? The cheapest one on the QVL list for the Prime is about 50 euro's more expensive than the one I have listed now.
And I just thought the Strix would be overkill for my intended use.

>> No.66339969

>Gigabyte bios is trash, but hardware looks great for the price+bundle
>Crosshair VII is $70 more expensive than Gaming 7, but best bios
I've heard good things about Taichi (coming from Z97 Extreme 4 which was horrible) and it's $189 after the sale/$10 rebate.

Am I making a big deal out of nothing?

Upgrading an old build so I'm just listing all the parts for context. Plan on upgrading my GPU, but currently nothing can really lock 1440p/144 fps like I'd like.

I know I'm overspending on the board if I'm only getting the 2600x, but I figure I'll get a high end x470 and just upgrade the CPU to w/e the 'best' Zen 2 is.

>> No.66339984

Nice trips
>What location are these prices?
Washington state, we have an online sales tax because our legislature is ruled by faggot jews that seem to think taxing cross state commerce is a state right and not a federal right.
>Any particular reason for 1060/1070Ti over 580 or Vega56?
I'm honestly just scared of spending that much money on an AMD GPU. My friend has owned a couple AMD GPU's from a year or two ago and it always seemed like the games were more moody in regards to performance because of game studios utilizing/favoring nvidia tech more. I'm also not aware of which brands/models of AMD cards are the good ones with great reputations etc. I'm not sure exactly why I trust AMD processors so much more than the GPU's but I just do even if it means getting raped by G-sync.
>What even is your monitor already when 1060 was a consideration that got changed to 1070ti?
I kept seeing the 1060 listed as a recommended card for modern games and it's kind of spooked me. I only have a 60hz monitor but I'm afraid that if I get a 1060 6gb I'll be buying gear that is soon to be not good enough and that I'll also be completely locking myself out of ever upgrading my monitor or anything. The 1070ti is absolutely overkill but since I don't want to upgrade my PC for several years maybe absolute overkill is the safer option so that I just don't have to worry and I'm not chasing specs the entire time.

If I overkill my build and waste like $200 on shit I'm not optimally using I'll still be happy. If I spend $1500 on a build and next year I'm tuning graphics settings in order to hit 60fps I'll be filled with regret for not just shilling out the extra money for a better GPU.

>> No.66340017
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I don't know why you would spend more on RGB memory and still get a 240GB SSD
Also, change PSU to G3 650 since it's the same price and better
D15 or a 360mm AIO unless you are open to doing a custom loop in which case you can do up to a 420 on top and 360 in front
Paying for RGB makes no sense if the kit isn't B-die since you are sacrificing performance
G3 650 is the same price lol
I would strongly consider a 2600+B350 so you can get a 570 or 580 instead
Cheaper and objectively better:
Probably best value:
B-die doesn't need to be on QVL like Hynix dies desu. The cheapest CL14 kit should be fine
It would make a much more noticable difference than RGB, that's for sure.

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>and I'll pay extra 10 -20 for RgB

>> No.66340091

faster ram makes a massive difference on APUs.. You can likely overclock to 3400 with tight timings, or at least get tight timings on 3200.

Or just buy this refurbished and add an SSD, sell the RAM and replace it with better stuff.
4chan won't let me link it, though. It's on woot.

But I'm also not actually sure you'll get faster RAM running on that older b350 board. You'd have to search for others experience with 2400G on that board.

Get 500GB SSD for same price, duh.
Or get an NVMe for that price if you're using StoreMi. But if you're using StoreMi you should be using a faster HDD. That's a retarded ass price to pay for 250gb.
>$143 RX560
>single fan
Eh... it's okay but there's been good GPU sales lately. Refurbished 1050Ti for $120, new RX580 4GB for $210, though they expired earlier today. But point is if you look for sales, you could snag yourself a much better value GPU.
is $20 cheaper new from ebay seller https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600X-6-Core-3-6GHz-Socket-AM4-95W-YD260XBCAFBOX-Desktop-CPU/273199629348
>$210 for non-bdie

I'd buy board, cpu, ssd(not THAT SSD, the 500GB MX500 for $100 from Staples), case, now that they're cheap. Maybe wait around a few days for gpu, ram, power supply to get a better model/price.
Don't feel you're getting a good value at all. You should be able to get that monitor, 500GB ssd, 2600X, etc, RX580 for that price or less.

>mention gigabyte BIOS is trash, which it is
>mention taichi is cheaper
>select gigabyte board anyway
I don't understand.

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>> No.66340108

D15 is still the bigg dicc cooler huh

>> No.66340125

>name a price point and we can help you do something better
Okay, how about $1,100

>I’d say start over from scratch, nothing really redeemable here.
Why? The monitor I was planning to get is the BenQ XL2411P.

>> No.66340162

>always seemed like the games were more moody in regards to performance because of game studios utilizing/favoring nvidia tech more.
Just disable hairworks. 7970 and 290X aged better than any GPUs have.
And lately AMD has had an "AMD optimized" tesselation setting in their driver.

>I kept seeing the 1060 listed as a recommended card for modern games and it's kind of spooked me. I only have a 60hz monitor but I'm afraid that if I get a 1060 6gb I'll be buying gear that is soon to be not good enough and that I'll also be completely locking myself out of ever upgrading my monitor or anything
Uhh.. doesn't buying Nvidia in general lock you out of upgrading monitor since you have more limited, more expensive options?

If you're going to stick with your current monitor and no plans to upgrade it, get 1060 6GB or RX580 8GB whichever is cheaper, likely the former.
1060 6GB and RX580 8GB are both still going to run games at between high and max settings at 1080p 60fps for quite some time.
Same way the 7850 or 7750 has been "minimum requirement" on like half of games released in the past 3 years.
Look at how good the new Lesbians of Us game on PS4 looks. That's not even RX570 level performance running those graphics. Better graphics is an optimization and art problem, not compute problem, for the most part. I think devs have come to accept that another GCN level jump in performance isn't coming any time soon.

>Why? The monitor I was planning to get is the BenQ XL2411P.
Why wouldn't you save $60 getting an RX580 and Freesync monitor if you're getting a new monitor? Or get 240hz better quality for that price?
Same thing trap poster said. You're spending a lot of money and getting little for it.

>> No.66340281

A 3 cm less for cable management, maybe 2 cm wider case and I could squeeze my CR-95C in there. Alas.

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UEFI depends partly on which company you hate the least
I would get Taichi if it's cheaper though since you are already greatly overspending
Lmao 144Hz with only 1060 you gotta be kidding
If you mean excluding monitor I would do this and get a FreeSync 144Hz:
Any budget lower and you should not be doing 144Hz

>> No.66340346

>Lmao 144Hz with only 1060 you gotta be kidding
Why? I wanted the monitor for Counter Strike, which I’ll easily be running at above 144fps...

>> No.66340426

I would think a CR-95C would fit. Are you sure it won't?

ya for CSGO it's fine.

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Even a 1050 Ti can run CS:GO maxed at over 144
If that's the only close to demanding game you play I guess a 1060 or 580 is fine, but in the interest of ANYTHING else I would never do that

>> No.66340482

The vid on manufacturer's site (https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=291) shows 14 cm for cooler height (above MOBO), CR is ~15cm above the RAM.

>> No.66340498

The only games I really plan on playing are CS, PubG, and basically the entire TES series. I really don’t see the problem with my build.

>> No.66340551

Whats this massdrop 1080?

>> No.66340606

are amd combat crates worth it on a kid grade gaming pc?

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PUBG is a more intensive than your hardware can run at 144Hz
A 1080 for $500, 9 hours left on the deal
Although I would rather get a Vega 56 for $485

>> No.66340641

mid grade gaming pc*
sorry I'm a mega tard

>> No.66341143

It's a shitty model one. Loud and very annoying sounding.
ITS AS LOUD AS FUCKING REFERENCE BLOWERS like I mentioned earlier. And not just loud, but the pitch of the sound is very annoying.

Better off getting a Vega56 which'll undervolt and overclock to 1080 performance, and most of the AIB cards have actual decent coolers for it.
Unless you already have Gsync, but if you already have Gsync then just get a decent 1070Ti instead of a shitty 1080.

>> No.66341202

Best CPU cooler for overclocking a 8700k? Looking to spend no more than $80.

I found a new corsair h115i on craigslist for $70. Good deal?

>> No.66341590

Getting everything separately is cheaper but I'd consider a 2600X/2700X and a X470 motherboard

>> No.66341624

You seem to be the smart one around here. Know anything about EVGA boards? Thinking about getting this:


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