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How did we go from tech companies making and selling useful products to tech companies being completely ad driven? Google, FB and most of the other companies have tens of thousands of employees whose jobs revolve around finding ways to show people ads and to keep a track of people on them so they can find their psychological weaknesses and profit from them by selling them shit they don't need.

How do we change technology back to way it was?

>> No.65516019

>>65515831
Money makes the world go round.
Ads make money.
Ergo ads make the world go round.

>> No.65516066

Why waste money on R&D when you can just entice companies to pay you to serve their product to your customers? It will die inevitably at least. Radio and television started off innovative then they were flooded with advertisements, the same goes for paid television. It's not enough to be making good profit margins, they get greedy and need to pinch every penny. They will be their own undoing and demise though.

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>>65515831
Capitalism is an eternal race to the bottom that is only slowed down, and temporarily at that, by popular action or on the rare occasion the government does something to support that popular action. This is the future we chose.

>> No.65516300

>>65516193
this but 100% unironically

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>>65516193
>eternal race to the bottom that is only slowed down, and temporarily at that, by popular action or on the rare occasion the government does something to support

You have it entirely backwards. The government is the one that slows it down, nigh exclusively so.
Also: with what perspective to what? Capitalism is a race to the bottom according to your drivel, what is the race upwards, or "less bottom"?

>> No.65516395

>>65516193
interesting book.

>> No.65516426

Why do ancaps believe that power wouldn't consolidate in the hands of a few who can force their will upon others the same way the government can do now?

>> No.65516432

>>65516193
>How did we go from tech companies making and selling useful products to tech companies being completely ad driven? Google, FB and most of the other companies

what "most other companies"? there are thousands of companies, making cool new stuff every day. you make it sound like a whole industry sells only a single product.

>> No.65516434

>>65516066
and yet people still watch hours of TV a day despite it being just ad-filled drivel. We get this dystopian future because a majority of the populace either wants or doesn't mind it. It's the 21st-century version of bread and circuses.

>> No.65516448

It's just two different business models.


Hardware and software are like films or books; something you pay out of pocket for in a one time purchase.

An internet service is like a TV show or magazine: a convenience good with mass appeal that is funded by advertisements.

>> No.65516508

advertisements are the drive of capitalism. How is a product going to sell if no one knows about it? Blogs and shit like that wouldn't be able to exist without getting money from advertisers.

Advertisements are perfect for websites that couldn't exist on a subscription model alone

>> No.65516554

>>65516508
blogs and shit can be run as a hobby project for pocket change, they were around before ads infected the web and they're only cheaper to run now. Frankly most of the ad-supported web ought to die.

I'd be more sympathetic to the argument of ads actually being a useful service if marketing companies hadn't realized decades ago that appeals to emotion sell more product than facts or logic.

>> No.65516562

We're in the era of techno feudalism

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>>65516362
You're oversimplifying things, anon. It's not a matter of one side only driving forwards and the other one doing nothing but it tugging the other one backwards (not the least of which because a capitalist State will almost always favor the capitalist class). Even something as awful as FB has made scientific progress in artificial intelligence, pattern recognition etc. The problem is the possible cost, most importantly the human cost. In FB's case, those nice advances will inevitably be used to decrease privacy and support surveillance police States. Just like the human cost of our nice gadgets or wide availability of foodstuffs is third world quasi-slavery. Conversely, the popular action of these people in order to improve their lot would incur a cost for us in the form of higher prices and less comfot. A small price to pay compared to the ones they're footing now, but regardless, my point is this: nothing is free, anon, and if you're serious about the pseud you posted, you should know that. But the problem in this regard is that your kind seem constitutionally incapable of seeing "cost" as involving anything other than just money.

As to what I would do, of course I have my "suggestions", as do many other people, but I'm not falling into the trap of arguing about socialism and switching the subject. Not the least of which because capitalism itself, though inherently exploitative, still could be a lot less exploitative than it is right now.

>>65516432
Besides the human costs in the third world I mentioned above, a big part of the race to the bottom I mentioned is increasing the rate of exploitation, and that includes the first world. A popular current example: how a lower-middle class man in the 50s could buy a house, support a housewife and 2 children and put them through college, all on minimum wage or little more. Compare that to the current situation of minimum wage-earners, and realize those fancy new products we enjoy now have hidden costs.

>> No.65516794

>>65516426
Because ancaps are fucking retarded and don't believe in a government at all. That's the extreme side of the "right" wing. It's not even small government, it's none. You need a few basics.

Anyone with a sense of pragmatism will understand that a court/justice system is necessary for enforcing what you consider "force their will upon others" by private companies. Monopolies should have every right to exist if they are in said position because of selling/producing the best product by such a large margin that no incentive exists to compete aside from the natural one brought by the monopolies lack of incentive to lower prices.

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>>65516782
>how a lower-middle class man in the 50s could buy a house, support a housewife and 2 children and put them through college, all on minimum wage or little more. Compare that to the current situation of minimum wage-earners, and realize those fancy new products we enjoy now have hidden costs.

This is entirely explained by the unbelievable and repeated fuckups by the government and cronyism. Dust off your history textbook. It is everything but capitalism that made the above so.
You don't even understand how minimum wage is inherently part of the cancer to bring the modern day you describe. Minimum wage is terrible idea and should have never been put forth.

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>>65516782
>Besides the human costs in the third world I mentioned above

Hmmmmm

>A popular current example: how a lower-middle class man in the 50s could buy a house, support a housewife and 2 children and put them through college, all on minimum wage or little more.

The US population is more than double what it was in the 1950s. If you dont understand how that effects property cost then you are a legit brainlet.

>> No.65516911

>>65515831
more users => more money
paid product => less users
displaying ads => no (or less) paid products

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>>65516782
>though inherently exploitative, still could be a lot less exploitative than it is right now.
Yes, by allowing a more free economic market (aka capitalism). The irony by those who spout your view is really something.

Learn your economics before giving a spiel on your anointed and naive views.

>> No.65517022

>>65516782
Capitalism is just a different form of slavery.

>> No.65517119

>>65516019
>round

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>>65516869
I guess I neglected to mention a very important basic fact. Please pay attention, because this is something that every person on Earth needs to understand: you can't dissociate capitalism, the State and the society in any permutation of the three. There isn't such a thing as a neutral State, there never was capitalism without a State, and history point towards capitalism being impossible without a capitalist State enforcing it. I take it these notions, tho often ignored, seem clear enough when spoken, right?

In more simple terms: the government itself is run by capitalists. Inevitably, most of what it does will be to benefit capitalists. I understand cronyism as competitors wrest for governmental money and favors, but as a class, they set the rules for themselves, and their common interests include lower taxes, lower inimum wages, less regulations etc. And besides, cronyism exists in every country and age, so it doesn't explain anything by itself. It's a buzzword often thrown around to imply "it's not REAL capitalism".

Nonetheless, as for government interference screwing things up, corporate taxes decreased since the 50s (https://www.epi.org/publication/ib364-corporate-tax-rates-and-economic-growth/). Yet the minimum wage stopped catching up with productivity circa 1970, the last decade of the golden age for the American middle class (http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-higher-the-federal-minimum-wage-should-be-2017-12), during which minimum wage increases kept up with the economy. See that huge gap between a productivity-adjusted and real wages? That's what an increase in the rate of exploitation looks like. You're getting paid less for the same work, and as a bonus, you borrow money to make up for lower living standards, and end up paying interest on what should have been your wage in the first place. It's brilliant and monstrous. And it's happening precisely because a) the people aren't acting, and b) the government isn't stepping in for them.

>> No.65517466

people want free shit and only way tech companies get paid is through ads or crypto miner.

You can obv tell why 2nd option is not going to fly so you have ads.

Now you can fuck off and stop blaming shit on muh late stage capitalism because its the consumer who is fucking everything up

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>>65515831
remember this?

>> No.65517540

>>65516434
Seriously, I don't understand this either. When I hear that some Americans watch the Super Bowl just for the ads it makes me cringe. There must be some kind of psychological programming going on for people to actively enjoy ads.

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>>65517500
So Opera was always shit?

>> No.65517587

>>65517565
Opera was the best back then. I wish modern browsers still had features

>> No.65517634

>>65515831
>that crafty jew in the background smiles at the same time as the android

>> No.65517744

>>65517565
Opera was so good, people were ok with that banner because of all the features they got.
>>65517500
I literally felt good about those banners because opera was goat back then.
I believe there was also banner-free paid version.

>> No.65517765

>>65516994
>The poor in poor/shithole nations with rampant low-level corruption are poorer then the poor of non-shithole nations.

No shit Sherlock.

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>>65516909
>graph
"Capitalism is decreasing poverty" is a popular fallacy nowadays. Quite literally every society ever, outside of foreign invasion, societal collapse (which often coincided with the previous) or in some cases, environmental collapse, has seen a trend of improving material conditions over long enough timelines. To say the same of capitalism is meaningless. If you measure more ample material living standards instead of just income, then man, do I have news for you about which regimes hold the records for that.

And that brings us to the second factor: living standards as a whole. Is the increasing income keeping up with living costs? Even if it's PPP, it most likely doesn't cover services, or even utilities and rent. And what about costs that aren't measured in money (as I said before), like quality of urbanization, crime rate, public health etc. etc.? All those things are conveniently ignored by looking at simple income increases. You know what mark twain said about statistics.

>The US population is more than double what it was in the 1950s.
A bigger economic scale does not necessarily imply... honestly, I'm not even sure what you're implying. Less total wealth? Fewer goods? Seriously, this statement literally makes no sense.

>>65516994
Well that's a nice implication of the old "it's not REAL capitalism". Anyway, is there a historical example of free economic capitalism? All examples I hear turn out to be wrong (Singapore, Hong Kong, Netherlands and others). I mean, it's perfectly understandable if it never existed and it's a proposal you want to advance, but the thing you have to consider is, capitalists themselves aren't doing anything in that regard. They pay think tanks to paise free markets, then use their State (remember, no such thing as a neutral State) to act in their favor. Put simply, capitalists themselves NEVER EVER wanted what you call capitalism (free economic).

>graphing "economic freedom"
anon pls, you're falling for propaganda

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>>65515831

Why do you not appreciate guessing? Will all your bitcoining save you?

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>>65517461
Everything you just said can be and always will be attributed to one thing and one thing only.

Jews.
>inb4 >>>/pol/

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>>65517744
>>65517587
>>65517565
I used to flame firefox users on the Heise forum. Good times

>> No.65518116

>>65517978
>Jews are not capitalism personified

>> No.65518128

>>65518116
Jews are everything that fuck the Goyim over.

>> No.65518162

>>65516994
Market is not enough free guys! What can we do? Why not legalize slavery? This will show those commies!

>> No.65518238

For me technology means innovation and innovation is dead when IBM died

>> No.65518252

I am Asian but why people hate jews or so many meme on them on 4chan why ???

>> No.65518345

>>65518252
People are just giving them what they want.

>> No.65518364

>>65516019
>Ads make money.

I have a hard time believing this 100%. Sure, to some extent, but I doubt ads are as effective as companies believe.

Recently, some companies have cut their advertising budgets because they don't believe that ads have a significant contribution to their sales. Can't find that article now but there is a concern that they are wasting money on ads.

And from my own experience, ads have basically zero influence on what I buy or what I'm interested in. I never make any decision based on ads exposure. And since I also block most of them on most devices, there's a very slim chance for ads to ever reach me.

Ofc, I'm not the most representative consumer, but I'm one of the people for whom the ads system does not work.

>> No.65518376

>>65518252
the hatred of jews is many hundred years old.
jews used to be some of the only people who could read and were banned from many kinds of work, but not from financial. they'd give out loans and fuck you over afterwards because you couldnt read anyway, and the simplest option to get rid of your debts was to kill the jew.

>> No.65518412

>>65518364
>Sure, to some extent, but I doubt ads are as effective as companies believe.
I've been convinced of this for a while now.
For example I have a friend that owns a few restaurants and food trucks. About 3 months ago he started paying a considerable amount of money(about 2% of his monthly profits) for ads positioning on facebook/google/tripadvisor. The result was... pretty much nothing changed. After the 3 months he dropped it and he had no noticeable drop in customers.

It's fucking bullshit.

>> No.65518426

>>65518412
Fuck, I meant after 2 months.

>> No.65518432

>>65518252
Because jews are involved in two major global fuckups:

- the international order - the existence of Israel is causing the biggest and most impactful divide between geopolitical blocs, pitting arabs against USA, USA against Iran, most arabs against Israel - it's the main bone of contention in international politics

- the financial markets - where most positions of power are held by jews

They're also involved in other fields like movie production (Hollywood), media and so on. These media typically promote certain agendas and themes, manipulating public opinion in favour of their political or business interests.

>> No.65518461

>>65518412
Its about brand and exposure. My first job was handling ads for a small hotel and I nearly doubled their clientelle in a few months

>> No.65518470

>>65518364
>And from my own experience, ads have basically zero influence on what I buy or what I'm interested in. I never make any decision based on ads exposure. And since I also block most of them on most devices, there's a very slim chance for ads to ever reach me.
True. There has literally not been a single time in my life where I made a purchase decision based off of an ad that I saw or was directly linked to. Part of me says that that's because I'm "immunized" against such tactics because I know their end goal and their methods, but a lot of people don't, which means that for that portion of the populace, these methods remain effective still and profitable enough to continue doing.

>> No.65518476

>>65516994
Correlation != causation

You also haven't adjusted for the buying power of money, which is typically alot lower in richer countries.

>> No.65518498

>>65518461
Sure, I agree, but he's been doing a much better job himself promoting his brand(he has a personal youtube channel and he himself is part of the brand) so the facebook positioning seems pointless. Especially in food services where it's all about word of mouth.

>> No.65518513

>>65518470

Implying ads don't work on your subconscious

>> No.65518525

>>65518432
The only problem with this is that for every jew that supports this, you can find one that equally hates it.

>> No.65518528

>>65518498
You're right there anon, but as you've demonstrated different ads work for different cases. When it comes to shilling a product, I imagine it can be reasonably effective to just have it show briefly to a million retards

>> No.65518535

>>65518513
They don't. It's particularly useful when you're living on a budget because then you know "this is exactly what I need and only what I need".

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>>65516019
Are you fucking retarded?

>> No.65518570

>>65515831
It's the first wave of technological empires, they all started as "free" services and had to monetize everything to be profitable.

Hopefully for the second wave people will stop having this notion that it doesn't cost much to run these websites. People feel that whatsapp should be free because they don't know how much it cost, but if it was like before, with a small amount of money a year and with no ads and no tracking, things would be much better.

>> No.65518575

you are the product retard

>> No.65518607

>>65516911
it's a lot more complex than that, remember that Whatsapp was a paid app and nobody avoided it because of that; also because it was developed at the right time

>> No.65518612

>>65517802
>A bigger economic scale does not necessarily imply... honestly, I'm not even sure what you're implying. Less total wealth? Fewer goods? Seriously, this statement literally makes no sense.

Land is a finite resource, you cant just build more of it. The population doubling means that the demand for land has also doubled, while the amount of land available for purchase has remained the same. This shouldnt be a hard concept to grasp.

>> No.65518627

>>65518575
u too

>> No.65518689

>>65518528
>When it comes to shilling a product, I imagine it can be reasonably effective to just have it show briefly to a million retards
That's the thing my dude, how many millions of retards do you have to show the ad to so just one of them actually buys something?

Like the other anon said, I have NEVER bought anything because I saw it in an add. Now, I cannot discount the possibility that I subliminally was made more comfortable with certain brands simply because of how many times I've seen them, and that caused me to buy them at some point, but I don't know if that's a big enough effect to warrant the hunderds of millions of dollars/euro companies push into ads every month.

>> No.65518778

>>65517119
This, but unironically.

>> No.65518875

>>65518689
>I have NEVER bought anything because I saw it in an ad
highly doubtful

>> No.65518904

>>65518875
Okay, that's probably not correct, since it's a sure bet that I did buy something I saw in an ad when I was a kid. But that's kinda of a different thing, children are easily manipulated and swayed by colorful exciting ads, so that's understandable.

Truth be told I think it should be illegal to target children with ads.

>> No.65518944

>>65518689
>I don't know if that's a big enough effect to warrant the hunderds of millions of dollars/euro companies push into ads every month

You and your friend don't represent a random sample of the population. Do you really think advertisers are spending hundreds of millions of a dollars on a hunch that what they do works?

>> No.65518959

>>65518904
>65518904
just because you make informed purchases on significant products doesn't mean you're not manipulated by the industry. anyone who works for their money does this. in a modern first world economy there isn't a person who behaves outside this influence.

>> No.65518971

>>65518944
>Do you really think advertisers are spending hundreds of millions of a dollars on a hunch that what they do works?
Considering the stupid decisions I've seen corporations make and the stupid "reasoning" behind them, yes, actually, I can totally believe that that's what's going on.

>> No.65518972

>>65518959
>informed purchases on significant products
*informed decisions on significant purchases

>> No.65518978

>>65518944
No, I don't really think that. But it certainly feels like it.

I really hate it that there are people all over the world putting their best effort towards figuring out how to remotely mind-control as many people as possible. The world is a scary place.

>> No.65519009

>>65518978
it's not scary. they're offering you products. you're not an imbecile obviously so make smart choices. otherwise go build a mud hut and filter water out of the creek.

>> No.65519027

>>65519009
It is scary, because:

a) the same techniques can be used to target children
b) the same or even better techniques can be used to create political propaganda
c) it's a never-ending arms race, until ads are so effective(or will turn into something new) we will be essentially controlled by them, like ants are by the scents given out by the queen.

>> No.65519041

>>65518944
>Do you really think advertisers are spending hundreds of millions of a dollars on a hunch that what they do works?

Its a self feeding cycle. Advertisers pay researchers to prove that advertising works, then they use that research to convince clients that it works, then they take money from clients and use some of it to fund research proving that ads work.

I'm not saying that advertising doesnt work to some degree, but the amount of it and the money funneled into it is far beyond the diminishing returns point.

>> No.65519052

>>65515831
I'm all for ads telling me where I can find the cheapest [item name here]. I'll only ever buy what I need and if I can't buy exactly what I need I make it.

>> No.65519133

>>65519027
well children need shit too. clothes, food, shoes, toys. are you going to deny your children these?

if people have the means to be mindless consumers for whatever reason, so be it. maybe they like ordering pizza and watching movies. personally i'd rather go hiking in the SA jungle with my vacation.

stop being ungrateful. people want to sell you stuff. not all your desires are sinister or planted. not everyone goes to mcdonalds every day. if you do that's your problem not advertising.

> it's a never-ending arms race

it's called an economy

no one is going to control you through ads. your hunger, thirst, human needs are what control you.

> like ants are by the scents given out by the queen
just fucking stop with the shitty analogies

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>>65519133
>well children need shit too. clothes, food, shoes, toys. are you going to deny your children these?
What the fuck are you on about? First of all, parents buy these things for children, not children for themselves. Secondly, it's fine to target parents with ads for things children might need or want. That's a different thing.

>if people have the means to be mindless consumers for whatever reason, so be it.
What a shitty fucking attitude. "things are as they are so whatever". No, ads are trash, they are always trash, they might be effective to some extent but they are also ugly as fuck. Billboards everywhere shitting up a good looking city. Ads on sites that would be nice and clean but instead have 5 fucking banners all over the place. Interrupting a movie or a tv show with trashy nonsense. NONE OF IT IS OKAY. It's TRASH.

>shitty analogies
I used just one, why are you using plural?

>> No.65519252

the fuck are you 14? there is massive world out there of research and development in medical, automotive, aerospace, agricultural, energy etc technologies

just because your burger flipping ass only interacts with social media and doesn't contribute to anything to society doesn't mean all of technology revolves around ads, this reads like a high schoolers deep facebook rant

>> No.65519255

>>65519133
I wonder who could be behind this post??

>> No.65519314

>>65519220
then bugman or take a fucking time machine back to soviet russia and hope you have a reversal switch. you're a fucking short sited child.

>> No.65519337

>>65516193
Imagine being this retarded

>> No.65519361

>i travel through my life with uninfluenced unbiased decisions and fulfill my individual role in a global consumer economy completely objectively. the things i need need as a human being to live I obtain completely absent of any outside influence.

admit it, you just think you're a snowflake

>> No.65519363

>>65519314
>short sited
lel

I never said I want to turn back time... although, it is tempting now that you mention it. But seriously, you cannot put back the genie of technology into the bottle. But we can try to responsibly use them. I don't think, as I said before, that ads targeting children are morally right, and therefore I think they should be opposed, whether personally or through legislation.

Same argument could be made for billboards. They make every place look worse. A beautiful town with old buildings and heritage can be turned into a horrid sight by ads.

>> No.65519379

>>65519361
Are you implying all human beings aren't unique?

>> No.65519386

i really wish i could punch you in the face

>> No.65519403

>>65519363
>imagine being his child

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>> No.65519422

>>65519363
do you know anything about the ussr, and how shit their "ad-free" grocery stores were? even their leadership awwed upon entry of an american grocery.

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>>65517022
the ol' economic slavery

>> No.65519438

>>65516019
>Money makes the world go round.
>Ads make money.
>Ergo ads make the world go round.

So wrong, the purpose doesn't justify the method

>> No.65519439

>>65519422
The empty shelves and famines in the USSR weren't due to lack of ads, they were due to state control of the means of production

>> No.65519450

>>65519422
>do you know anything about the ussr
I actually come from post-communist eastern europe, and hate communism with a passion. You can have a capitalist market economy without shitting up every available space with ads.

>> No.65519453

>>65519439
god you're fucking stupid

>> No.65519474

>>65519439
>they were due to state control of the means of production
Nope, they were due to kulak sabotage. Read a history book, you brainlet.

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>>65519453
Wow, amazing argument there. I'm in awe of your intelligence and conversational prowess.

>> No.65519497

>>65519474
>kulak sabotage
>apparently ussr is the same thing as ukraine
>apparently the problem of calculation doesn't exist
Behold, the broken mind of a communist.

>> No.65519504

>>65519439
>being this fucking unable to correlate

>> No.65519528

>>65519497
>ussr is the same thing as ukraine
If you mean the previous famine, that was due to drought, which was not due to state control of the means of production either.
>the problem of calculation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem#Criticisms

>> No.65519553

>>65519528
Wow, you liked me a wikipedia article. Fascinating. Like that's gonna mean anything after a literal collapse of every single country that tried state control of means of production.
I would laugh but it's just sad that people like you exist.

>> No.65519622
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>>65519497
>the problem of calculation doesn't exist
It doesn't anymore. We have computers nowadays. Computers that von Mises did not have, which is why he deemed economic calculation impossible.
>>65519553
>collapse of every single country that tried state control of means of production
Are we even talking about the same Planet Earth? Because in mine, several countries that tried state planned economy succeeded, whereas a lot more that tried laissez-faire capitalism failed.
>I would laugh but it's just sad that people like you exist.
What's your profession? You're so obviously not an economist...

>> No.65519634

>>65519553
>after a literal collapse of every single country that tried state control
When did that happen? I wasn't aware...

>> No.65519640
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65519640

relax and have an ad free coke

>> No.65519641

>>65519622
>several countries that tried state planned economy succeeded
Are you fucking shitting? Name one.

>> No.65519663

>>65519641
The USSR, Cuba, Norway, just off the top of my head.

>> No.65519675

>>65519640
Having a brand is not the same thing as spamming ads in every possible medium.

>> No.65519682

>arguing for ad-free capitalism.

keeps getting more interesting

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>>65517461
Anon educate me pls
Where did you learn all that? Or did you squash your head thinking all the time and code to this elaborated conclusions?

>> No.65519721

>>65519675
it's called regulation. we have it.

>> No.65519724

why don't you faggots get that businesses need to make money some way

do you want to pay a subscription for using facebook instead?

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>>65519663
>USSR
>Cuba
I can't believe I fell for this.

>> No.65519742

>>65516869
>>65516909
>>65516994
I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief.

“Bad news, detective. We got a situation.”

“What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?”

“Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.”

The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?”

“Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.”

“Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.”

He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.”

“Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.”

I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside.

“Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t.

“Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up.

(cont.)

>> No.65519765

>>65519742
>>65519742
“Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?”

It didn’t seem like they did.

“Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.”

Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing.

I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it.

“Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled.

Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him.

“Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen.

I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!”

He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose.

“All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.”

“Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy.

>> No.65519773

>>65519724
i don't like facebook for other reasons

>> No.65519777

>>65519742
>flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul
I'm dead, I'm literally dead. This is amazing.

>> No.65519780

>>65519765
“Because I was afraid.”

“Afraid?”

“Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.”

I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head.

“Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.”

He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him.

>> No.65519823

>>65515831
is he even human?

>> No.65519848

>>65519780
Pretty good, I especially liked
>The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose.

Is this yours or some delicious pasta you've saved up? What's the sauce?

>> No.65519865

>>65519823
yes, but the progenitor of which all future non-human will be be based

>> No.65519866

>>65519731
What are you talking about? The Soviet Union managed to industrialize, zero unemployment and homelessness, become the second fastest growing economy of its time (while growing continuously for 70 years straight), achieve 99% literacy, have most doctors per capita in the world and double its life expectancy in no time. Cuba has the best education stats in all of Latin America, extremely low unemployment and lower child mortality than the US.

This is why reading books is so important, anon.

>> No.65519879

all these goddamn ads in that beautiful story. a shame.

>> No.65519891

>>65519866
>in all of Latin America
not saying much

>> No.65519947

>>65519866
then why don't you live in cuba? because you don't have internet there, commie retard. also you wipe your ass with a hand. but since you're a pajeet anyway, you would enjoy that. now go kill yourself nigger, you don't know a shit about soviet union. no one who lives in countries that were part of it misses it. I'm one of them. you would get your diversity get your minority diversity ass kicked so hard here that you would be surprised if you'd defender soviet union.

>> No.65519976

>>65519947
yeah, but no ads. its worth it. you really get used to the open sewers.

>> No.65519992
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>>65519823
If he's human then we're all subhuman.

>> No.65519997

>>65515831

>> No.65520001

>>65515831
only a war that destroys all power plants and internet infrastructure can do that.

>> No.65520037
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>>65519866
>Cuba
I was looking up stats on Cuba and noticed something hilarious:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate

Apparently the glorious Democratic People's Republic of Korea has 100% literacy rate. Isn't that amazing? That totally makes me believe the 80% usually quoted for Cuba.

>> No.65520097

>>65519866
>Be Russian serf, starving in the same fields that 5 generations of your family has lived and toiled for the aristocracy, while they live in opulence
>Get conscripted to fight WWI for the Tsar
>Die a lot, starve a lot
>Famine
>Revolution happens, Bolsheviks seize power and executes the last Tsar family
>Hush peasants, we build future now...as workers in the new USSR
>Famine
>Get conscripted to fight WWII for Stalin
>Die a lot, starve a lot
>Win WWII and defeat the global evil
>Famine
>Die a lot, starve a lot
>Despite this, build a glorious modern nation of industry, science and tech
>Stalin declares USSR has achieved communism despite workers' not owning their surplus and means of production (the state does)
>Believe it to be true because then WTF was the point of dying and starving the past 40 years?
>Reach unprecedented levels of industry, go to space, win olympics, etc.
>Government collapses because it can't maintain such a large bureaucratic structure
>We embrace capitalism now, but oligarchy.
>Drink a lot, die a lot

Why is this so sad?

>> No.65520101

>>65515831
>How do we change technology back to way it was?

Technology was never non-dystopian. Brainlets should read history. Radio was immediately utilized to spread propaganda in support of the US joining the first World War. It worked so well it basically flipped the entire nation's opinion in a few years. People are so willing to be influenced by those using technology it is disturbing.

>> No.65520113

>>65519866
>falling for 50 years old propaganda
Imagine being this easily influenced.

>> No.65520121

>>65519622
>It doesn't anymore. We have computers nowadays. Computers that von Mises did not have, which is why he deemed economic calculation impossible.

DUDE LETS JUST TRY TO RUN THE WHOLE ECONOMY WITH COMPUTERS THAT'LL MAKE COMMUNISM WORK LMAO

>> No.65520167

>>65519947
>hates socialism but enjoys 8 hour, 5 day work week that was hard-won by socialists and worker unions instead of the original capitalist 12 hour-6 day work week
how curious.

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>>65520167
>implying that market capitalism does not allow for negotiating with your employers as a group
even curiouser

>> No.65520226

>>65519866
Also, this Cuba education myth is so absurd that the culmination of it is the allegedly advanced medicine. In 2013 the Brazilian government signed a contract to import highly skilled Cuban medics to suppress the lack of doctors in the countryside. The government shielded them from needing to prove that they're able to do their trade, because >muh cuban medicine

Surprise surprise! They know jack shit about medicine, failing to diagnose trivial sicknesses, and more than once, in very distant cities, they were caught googling symptoms.

Cuba is a shithole, and only idiots like you praise it.

>> No.65520288

>>65519622
>Mises thought it was impossible to calculate because he didn't had computers
Wow, you don't have the most remote clue about what you're talking about. I totally didn't expect that.

>> No.65520295

>>65517540
Super Bowl ads tend to be particularly creative or inventive. It's more of a showcase than real ads and the real "ad" part is competing and whose ad evokes the most emotion or entertains the best.

I hate ads with a passion but I will occasionally tune in for Super Bowl ads because some of them can be interesting ad aside.

>> No.65520306

>>65520217
>hey boss, a couple of us were wondering if we could work less hours for the same pay?
>lol, get fucked. you're all fired because
>*hires some pajeets who will do more hours for less pay*

>> No.65520336

>>65520306
>implying there aren't modern businesses today that have their employees work 4 days in a week if they want without being force by law to do it
Gee, I wonder how that happened.

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65520443

everything i know about cuba i learned from this man

>> No.65520456

>>65520306
>underperform in your job and be a bitch about it
>be mad when treated like a disposable paper cup
????

>> No.65520480

>>65520336
>>65520456
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-26/coders-want-to-unionize-with-help-from-trump

>> No.65520501

>>65520480
Why though? They usually have one of highest possible pays without being a manager or in finance and best possible work conditions, what would be the point?

>> No.65520583

>>65515831
Why do zuck's eyes look so dead?
He must be on a lot of drugs or something

>> No.65520660

>>65520501
to not get fired, protect benefits, have a decent, respectable work environment and not get pressured into overtime work?

you don't think highly payed workers deserve the same protection and rights as blue collar workers because they're highly paid? employers should have the right to hire and fire whomever in a global labour market to make themselves more efficient, right? after all, it's a voluntary exchange and free market and trade is the most efficient outcome for all.

>> No.65520680

>>65520660
>deserve
No one "deserves" anything. You get what you work or fight for.

>> No.65520789

>>65520680
>people are poor/unemployed/etc. because they choose to be, or just lazy
>you just have to use your innate skill and brilliance to overcome the odds
gee, it's like there isn't this big, external, social world out there that's full of constraints, other people and complex socio-economic phenomena.

is this is what libertarians actually believe?

>> No.65520897

>>65516426
Ancaps have the nature of the world entirely wrong but I also find it concerning that there are people who think there are better economic models than the mostly capitalistic mixed markets we have now. I'd like to hear some that wouldn't turn into poverty stricken communist nightmares, please.

>> No.65520969

>>65520789
>>is this is what libertarians actually believe?
What's at bottom is that libertarians will express the opinion that other groups either reject or consider too taboo to argue, namely that "leave them to their fate, some will swim and some will sink" is an acceptable answer to social-welfare questions.

>> No.65521104

>>65518689
Many tech companies run guerilla ad campaigns on /g/. Get into the freelance business and you'll be offered these opportunities. Many companies have found that after a month's exposure, the early adopter users do the advertising themselves.

>> No.65521109

>>65517540
Super Bowl ads are actually usually different from regular ones.
It's like a game where once a year all these companies try and outdo the other by making the funniest and most thoughtful ad. In that sense it's more than just mindless ads.

Not defending it because I think the whole thing is retarded, but just to clarify to non-Americans that Super Bowl ads aren't the norm.

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>>65519823
>is he even human?
no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew9oewvyd0M

>> No.65521417

>>65517802

http://rsos.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/5/4/171411

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>>65521104
The continuing popularity of Windows (with all its problems, viruses, exploits etc) is adequate proof of that. Unpaid, unacknowledged shills are boosting that crapware 24/7.

>> No.65521698

>>65518092
i'm afraid half of the reference photos in here would go over most of the average /g/tard these days.

>> No.65522513

>>65520789
You were born in a rich country and your parents spoonfed you until you were an adult. You know nothing.

>> No.65522610

>>65520583
He killed all his emotions.

All his emotions are played on his face like a you play a song on a device. Whenever he needs to show emotion he just presses Play.

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>>65520443
>>65520226
>>65520037
>>65519947
Brainlets.

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>>65520443
>>65520226
>>65520037
>>65519947
Enjoy getting schooled, you fucktards.

>> No.65524554

>>65518364
Excessive ads, perhaps, but you still need to keep on advertising, regardless of what scale you're operating on, be it the upstart trying to make themselves known or the giant reminding people about the promotions they're running now.

>> No.65524579

>>65523187
is that pic true?

>> No.65524769

>>65518525
>The only problem with this is that for every jew that supports this, you can find one that equally hates it.

Schlomy, every Jew is given their programming properly in the beginning years of life. Hebrew school teaches how to devalue all other forms of life that aren't considered a part of their tribe. The Babylonian Talmud, the Tenakh, and all forms of treatise on life and interaction continually use an us vs. them framework that trains them for the rest of their lives to carry on the work of their ancestors. This goes back millenia and they will hold the world hostage if necessary with such insane concepts as "the Samson Option".

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>>65515831
>How did we go from tech companies making and selling useful products to tech companies being completely ad driven? Google, FB and most of the other companies have tens of thousands of employees whose jobs revolve around finding ways to show people ads and to keep a track of people on them so they can find their psychological weaknesses and profit from them by selling them shit they don't need.

Because people likes "free" stuff and only ads fund the "free" internet, your imagine pay $50 USD fee for use FB or ad-free websites?
https://www.forevergeek.com/what_did_online_access_cost_per_hour_in_1995/

Remember when /g/ hated whatsapp because the $1 annual subscription fee?

>> No.65524817

>>65524579
yes anon
what you think someone would just post something on the internet while blatantly LYING?
you must be a tinfoil hat schizo who's off his meds for even questioning it.

>> No.65524825

>>65515831

If you dont want Fb selling your data there's a way to do that. It's called paywall. Set up a login form and only allow rich faggots who send you money to log in. Unless you think nobody is willing to actually fork over cash for your content. Then you have a problem, your business is fundamentally unviable, look 4chan pass and the /vip/ board.

>> No.65524846

>>65518364
>Recently, some companies have cut their advertising budgets
>"some companies"

A lot of companies are tired of losing money with campaign because his targets block ads. Coca-cola, Procter-Gamble, Univeler, BMW and other dont make internet ads anymore

>> No.65524862

>>65515831
Start paying you dumb nigger.
ONLY use paid alternatives, never use the free version that's funded by ads.

>> No.65524882

>>65524771
that article is really stupid because you're not using the pstn anymore

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>>65515831
>How did we go from tech companies making and selling useful products to tech companies being completely ad driven?
idiot these companies where SETUP by alpabet agencies to spy on people

Just because Prism was only recently found out doesnt mean this shit hasnt been going on since PC's and the intranet (pre internet) where a thing

Some anon posted this on the last zucc general and i found it very interesting

Facebook's beginnings are questionable.

The domain, trademark, and idea for facebook(tm) was started in 1994: https://web.archive.org/web/20071020073143/http://www.aboutface.com/about.html

With a very familiar backstory: https://web.archive.org/web/19991007181610/http://www.aboutface.com/site/company_history.htm

And even servers at Harvard, who ran these?: https://web.archive.org/web/20071020073130/http://www.aboutface.com/about_customers.html

So, this company which sent black boxes to corporations and universities, had “facebook(tm)” servers running facebook like software, at Harvard at the time Zuckerberg “created” fb. Well, Zuck misconfigured his about-face server once: https://web.archive.org/web/20171120120522/https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081105224058AApki9Y

Also calls itself facebook circa 2005:
https://web.archive.org/web/20050308105626/http://www.aboutface.com:80/comp_facebook.html

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>>65519414
see my aboutface post
>>65511551
Facebook buying aboutface's website
also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Information_Awareness

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>>65524950

>> No.65525273

>>65517022
The cynic in me thinks slavery only ended because the rich realized that keeping a nigga clothed, sheltered, fed and in good health was much more expensive than simply paying him minimum wage.

>>65518612
The amount of land suitable for settling in America is still immense, let alone back them. Suburbia is still growing. Sure, it needs investment before it can be used, but that is always the case.

>>65519337
SUBPAR BURN

>>65519689
Sarcasm or not, I might as well give good advice: read, read and read. A certain board on cripplechan has plenty of suggestions, lists etc. to counter /pol/tardation and altist.

>>65520097
>>Government collapses
That's a factoid. It didn't collapse, it was dismantled. Ironically, it was the communist party who did that, while the people mostly wanted to keep things as they were.

>>65521417
Well this will take a while to digest, I'll try to reply before the thread is archived.

>> No.65525285

Putin was quite right when he said the internet and all these services are a CIA (deep state) project.

>> No.65525486

>>65520969
>leave them to their fate, some will swim and some will sink
great, I wish libertarians would admit this pernicious ideology and go away instead of somehow jumping through hoops to argue that this is somehow good for everybody.

>>65520897
>the best economic model is always the one we currently have
That's a fallacy, what if this is a local maximum/minimum? Critiques of free-market capitalism are still valid without advocating for Marxist-Leninist revolution. I think the past few decades have shown that the free market isn't as democratic and egalitarian as we think (see Piketty's work on inequality).

>>65522513
I was born in a third-world country. My family emigrated to a second-world country where I grew up. I've also lived and worked in first-world countries.

I think I know some things.

>> No.65525571

>>65515831
Lol'd at webm

>> No.65526040
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>>65525571
this is even better

>> No.65526044

>>65515831
They were nice enough to provide their service as a Tor hidden service for maximum privacy protection. Yet none of you morons used it and now you're blaming him.

You people are idiots.

>> No.65526725

>>65516019
>world
>round
Pick only one

>> No.65526801

>>65518535
You can buy "what you need" from many different sources. You'll likely pick one that is familiar. Being exposed to the same thing over and over again creates familiarity. Ads work. The brain rationalises irrational or emotional choices automatically. That's why you don't notice it.

>> No.65526837

>>65526044
>Facebook keeps shadow profiles on everyone and can identify you based on your contacts and interests alone
>use Tor to access it

>> No.65526862

>>65526725
>you
>suicide asap
choose two

>> No.65526932

>>65515831
We're getting closer to the final stage of corporate domination.

>> No.65526956

>>65515831
Consumerism. Nobody ever said that capitalism was good.

>> No.65526960

>>65526837
It's already a well known fact that having friends is bad for privacy.

>> No.65527024

>>65515831
Companies need money to survive, and if they can't get money via decent ways, they will use awful ways.
The way to fix it would be to somehow put money on the internet in a retarded easy way to use, at a point you have x dollars on your account, and you can sign for the site in a press of a button and password typing.

>> No.65527061

>>65525273
>The cynic in me thinks slavery only ended because the rich realized that keeping a nigga clothed, sheltered, fed and in good health was much more expensive than simply paying him minimum wage.
I'm currently reading through Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations, and he pretty much says the same thing very early in the book.

>> No.65527103

>>65526862
There's nothing wrong with suicide. See: www.heavensgate.com

>> No.65527305

>>65526960
People on /g/ must be very safe yet

>> No.65527318
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65527318

>>65515831
You can fit a city library on something smaller than your thumb

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