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Currently installing: Linux MX
https://mxlinux.org/
>MX Linux, a desktop-oriented Linux distribution based on Debian's "stable" branch, is a cooperative venture between the antiX and former MEPIS Linux communities. Using Xfce as the default desktop, it is a mid-weight operating system designed to combine an elegant and efficient desktop with simple configuration, high stability, solid performance and medium-sized footprint.
>Architecture: i386, x86_64
>Release Model: Fixed
>Init Software: SysV

Other alternatives:
https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2017/09/21/135
- *BSD: DragonFlyBSD, TrueOS, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD.
Want to know more about systemd?:
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Remove systemd from arch linux: https://systemd-free.org/

>> No.64704875

>>64704869
fuck off

>> No.64704989

>>64704875
>I love shitty software muscling it's way into linux

>> No.64705017

>>64704869
How better is it than Xubuntu?

>> No.64705018

>>64704869
Okay, I want a system-d free system. What should I use instead?

>> No.64705026

>falling for the systemd fud memes.

>> No.64705039
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>MEPIS
heh

>> No.64705061
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>>64704869
>Other alternatives:
>ctrl+f slackware
>0 results

>> No.64705066

>>64704989
I'm thinking about systemd lately and watching a few talks I think mac fags are the ones who will benefit from the systemd fiasco. Macos is a bloatware piece of shit but they are developing a more stable debloated release and soon people will buy mac hardware to install these distros and laugh at the linux community
This is a nightmare situation to be honest.
Even TrueOS which has many bugs and problems can become the alternative to normies

>> No.64705081

>>64705061
It's there. Slackware, others and Salix. Filthy liar

>> No.64705109

>>64705026
How sad it is that kids today have to use silly phrases like "fud" and "memes" someone points out that there's more than one way to do things. Grow up.

There are quite a few good reasons to not want systemd running on your machine. This is specially true if it's a server. Things like errors because of "you are trying to restart this service too fast" are just stupid beyond belief and also very annoying. Say you leave a typo in a config file and try to start apache and it fails and you fix that and try to start it again - but it won't because systemd and now you have to wait until that stupid thing decides it's been "long enough" since you last tried to start apache.

>> No.64705121

>>64705018
Void

>> No.64705129

what happened to devuan?

>> No.64705130

>>64705109
I really stopped arguing with systemd fags when they defended the systemd awful code allowing remote execution with a single line of code

>> No.64705136

>>64705066
>I think mac fags are the ones who will benefit from the systemd fiasco
You mean the launchd that inspired upstart and systemd?
>This is a nightmare situation to be honest.
For neckbeards. Maybe.

>> No.64705143

>>64705129
Nothing. They are patching the stable every week and developing the ''unstable'' rolling

>> No.64705251

>>64705129
>>64704869
Reminder that Debian still works just fine without systemd, as long as you don't install a de which depends in it (gnome?)
The only sysd stuff I have installed is libsystemd (because some programs gave been compiled with socket activation support from there) and udev.

>> No.64705271
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64705271

Currently using off a usb stick
it`s fast. Boot is really good and clean
Comes with firefox 57.0.2, gimp, vlc, etc. Unfortunately it`s bundled with pulseaudio, adobe flash and no pale moon or chromium
I really liked repo management, mx boot fix and other small tools for lazy people

>> No.64705308

>>64704869
Thanks OP was thinking of installing arch, but now im going to install atrix.

>> No.64705411

>>64705308
you mean artix|

>> No.64705443

Reminder that PCLinuxOS is systemd-free.

>> No.64705541

>>64705411
yep that one. Might need some help from you /g/uys to install on uefi system

>> No.64705579

unironically
Install Gentoo

>> No.64705584

>>64705541
why do you want uefi installation
just boot the non uefi

>> No.64705595

>>64705579
No pale moon build no install

>> No.64705616

just install cloveros

>> No.64705620

All loonix distros are the same shit

>> No.64705670

>>64704869
thanks op

>> No.64705736

>>64705584
for dual boot with windows 10 (spyware addition needed for certain programs... or should i troll by saying apps?)

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>>64705620
>everything is essentially made of the same thing therefore i am literally a fairy fucking princess

>> No.64705800

>>64705736
get devuan in that case man I think it's safer to not fuck up with your boot

>> No.64705821

install templeos

>> No.64705834

>>64705308
All archfags should migrate to Artix. It's pretty simple and just works.

>>64705736
Since when did you need uefi to dual boot? Just install on bios. It's simpler and easier.

>> No.64705917

>>64705800
Looking for an os with latest releases hence arch based.

>>64705834
I've never messed with windows 10 before, and havent attempted dual booting on my main rig (8.1) so just assumed that uefi is mandatory for windows 10 function, like how setting sata from IDE to AHCI will fuck with the os

>> No.64705934

What distro meets the three following clauses:
1) No SystemD
2) Minimal packages in base install
3) Stable, not bleeding edge

>> No.64705978

>>64705934
salix, redcore, devuan, void, vectoros, antiX and archmerge

>> No.64706051

>>64705595
Considering Pale Moon doesn't allow to use system libs, that's a good thing.

>> No.64706167

>>64705130
Source?
Sounds like the kind of thing that legitimises the "IC conspiracy" to infiltrate Linux in one fell swoop

>> No.64706181

>>64705834
also on the uefi stuff:
BIOS boot generally requires MBR partitioning, although some bootloaders support other partitioning schemes, like GPT.
so my new stuff will be GPT and not MBR so I'll have to go down the uefi route

>> No.64706229

>>64705978
And alpine

>> No.64706296
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64706296

>>64706167
https://thehackernews.com/2017/06/linux-buffer-overflow-code.html
>The programming blunder, assigned the ID CVE-2017-9445, was accidentally introduced in Systemd version 223 in June 2015 and is present all the way up to and including version 233 in March this year(2017)

>> No.64706389

>>64705251
shutdown taking >30s due to retards fucking up sysvinit support for LUKS is a disgrace tho

>> No.64706448

>>64706389
>only 30
usually the timers are infinite and the time increases every time it hits 0. it was an issue every time when i had to reboot when i had samba shares mounted.

>> No.64706455

>>64706296
>(accidentally)

>> No.64706504

>>64705978
>not bleeding edge
>void
It's like Arch but with another package manager and runit.

>> No.64706548

>>64706448
different issue, methinks; also, no samba shares involved in it
seems to be some kind of ordering issue that's causing unmounting to be useless at shutdown, until it hits a ~30s timeout and just forces the thing
that's what we get with systemd being the default init in Debian. The things I wish upon those responsible for this perversion...

>> No.64706653

>>64706181
My ssd partition are MBR and all my other drives are GPT. Works for me.

>> No.64706719

>>64706455
the greatest treat to linux is that any corporation can destroy it by paying programmers and corrupting those in charge (like debian).
The greatest challenge after linus dies is to combine a centralized model to prevent shit like systemd but still keeping it decentralized

>> No.64706784

>>64704869
>Based on Debian stable
>For the purpose of avoiding systemd
Didn't we already have Devuan?

>> No.64706792

>>64704869
If you really want to be impressive remove systemd from a Fedora distro.

>> No.64706841

>>64706784
Did Devuan manage to get Stretch out? I didn't think they did. Which makes it just oldstable with sysv installed. and its a bit pointless to have a fork when you can just install vanilla Debian, apt install sysv, copy a few files, and then uninstall sysd and reboot.

>> No.64706924

>>64706548
>>64706389
>one shitty script
You are right, this would never happen with systems. Only jeniuses are allowed to use that.

>> No.64707031

>>64706924
my argument is anti-systemd
if debian didn't get subverted into having systemd as default, such glaring bugs in the non-systemd would've been long fixed

>> No.64707059

>>64705934
Gentoo

>> No.64707121

>>64704869
>https://mxlinux.org/
actually sounds good. what does it have over devuan and why isn't it devuan?

>> No.64707396

>>64707121
many tools for lazy people

>> No.64707525

is mint botnet?

>> No.64707582
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It may be botnet and a little unstable, but at least my computer doesn't have systemd in it.

>> No.64707641

>>64707582
I'll try to install linux mint in my machine and remove systemd
wish me luck
I'll report in 30 minutes

>> No.64707642

>>64707396
good, I'm lazy!

>> No.64707690

>>64706653
But im guessing your boot drive is the SSD which is MBR, my laptop will be GPT so bios/legacy wont boot windows amirite.jpg?

>> No.64707705

>>64704869
>Other alternatives:
Why not just bost this?

http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#Free_and_Open-Source_.28FOSS.29_operating_systemswithout_systemd_in_the_default_installation

I mean its a bit overwhelming but at least it literally gives every systemdfree distro

>> No.64707737

>>64707525
didnt their website get hacked a while ago?

>> No.64707755

>>64707737
yep they forgot to encrypt the forum and website

>> No.64707809

ponysay ' >>64705121 is a fag'

>> No.64707902

Is there anyway to make Devuan not outdated?
Can you make Ubuntu systemd free?
What about Manjaro?

>> No.64708031

>>64707902
>Is there anyway to make Devuan not outdated?
Way, dist-upgrade and that's about it. If you manage to delete systemd from ubuntu it could be another alternative let's hope they don't add spyware on 18.04
Manjaro is a lost cause. For some reason systemd can't be removed correctly you'll have to download artix or some slackware-based distro
If I wasn't lazy to compile software from tar I'd use either Gentoo or VectorLinux

>> No.64708746

Tried to remove systemd from mint it didn't work
1 hour trying to replace it but it fucked up every time
it's a shame since 18.x is way better than their previous releases

>> No.64709633

>>64705934
literally gentoo

>> No.64709703

>>64704869
>sysv

even worse than systemd

>> No.64709749

>>64709703
>What is OpenRC
>What is Runit.

>> No.64709837

>>64707809
What is this new ponyfag meme? Ponysay is available on plenty of distros as far as I'm aware.

>> No.64709843

>>64704869
I recently installed Devuan with LXQt and noticed that it pulls in libsystemd0, their fuckups with the Tor repositories and apparent lack of contributors makes me wary of them
PCLOS and Artix lack i686 support so I can't use them on my X60
Is Gentoo literally the only good distro that won't fuck me with random systemd/lennartware? I would use Void but the lack of documentation is bad for a begginer like me

>> No.64709860

>>64707902
There's artix which was born out of the arch-openrc and manjaro-openrc projects

>> No.64709871

>>64706841
They're about to get ASCII (Devuan's Stretch) out

>> No.64709966

>>64709703
systemv is pretty good: simple, stable and clean
>>64709843
>Is Gentoo literally the only good distro that won't fuck me with random systemd/lennartware?
Well either ubuntu with systemd removed or slackware

>> No.64710128

>>64707690
Yeah MBR+GPT might not boot on Windows.

>> No.64710174

>>64704869
Devuan is /comfy/

>> No.64710252

>>64706719
It's like what happened to Bitcoin, pay off the devs to insert vulnerabilities (RBF) and hardcap the blocksize making tx fees skyrocket so it cannot and will not ever be useful as a currency

>> No.64710301

>>64710252
Cryptocurrencies will never be used as a currency.

They're effectively really shitty stocks, and they'll never grow beyond that.

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Removing systemd-sysv (229-4ubuntu19) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.5-1) ...
Selecting previously unselected package upstart-sysv.
(Reading database ... 175114 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../upstart-sysv_1.13.2-0ubuntu21.1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking upstart-sysv (1.13.2-0ubuntu21.1) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.5-1) ...
Setting up upstart-sysv (1.13.2-0ubuntu21.1) ...
Generating grub configuration file ...
Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported.
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.10.0-28-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-4.10.0-28-generic
Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.elf
Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin
done
Setting up cgmanager (0.39-2ubuntu5) ...
Setting up systemd-shim (9-1bzr4ubuntu1) ...
Setting up systemd (229-4ubuntu21.1) ...
addgroup: The group `systemd-journal' already exists as a system group. Exiting.
Setting up libpam-systemd:amd64 (229-4ubuntu21.1) ...
Processing triggers for ureadahead (0.100.0-19) ...

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers#Permanent_switch_back_to_upstart

>> No.64710421

>>64710410
I didn't even know you could still use upstart.

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>>64710410

>> No.64710457

>>64710421
it's working great
don't forget to update-initramfs -u & apt-get purge systemd

>> No.64710550

>>64710410
thanks mr jew

>> No.64710551

>>64710301
I respectfully disagree. The writing is on the wall now. It's just going to take time for people to read it.
>We just can't let the plebians print their own money

>> No.64710560

>>64704869
>based on
aaaannnnddd DROPPED

>> No.64710590

>>64705934
Alpine

>> No.64710597

>>64710551
They're inherently inefficient, incredibly volatile, and any smuck can fork an existing crypto to create more free meme money.
That's not the recipe for success.

The only reason they're so popular is that they're incredibly deflationary, which is the opposite of what you want for a currency.

>> No.64710625

I am assembling LFS for lulz, and it comes with systemd. What to use instead? OpenRC or what?

>> No.64710638

>>64710625
Use runit if you want to be a patrician.

>> No.64710654

>>64710625
OpenRC or runit are the usual choices.

>> No.64710670

>>64710638
>runit
Hm... I didn't knew that it was used of FagOS. And I had no problems with it on FagOS.
>>64710654
Okay.

>> No.64710674

>>64710625
sinit with daemontools-encore, you are going for LFS so you may as well go balls deep http://troubleshooters.com/linux/diy/suckless_init_on_plop.htm

>> No.64710686

>>64710670
>FagOS
What? Runit has nothing to do with Macs or Apple.

>> No.64710704

>>64710686
Runit is used on Mac OS X. At least jewgle said this.

>> No.64710719

>>64710704
OS X uses launchd by default. However, runit can actually work on OS X which I did not know.

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Defying systemd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDXsw2ijRkw

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>> No.64711179

>>64710849
can you please delete this
Linux is full of misogynists and xenophobes

>> No.64711198

>>64710951
git shouldn't allow moderators to act like nazis
If the problem persists they should be able to moderate themselves and decide when to close. Remove hateful comments if necessary but please don't allow corporate shills like poettering moderate open source code issues

>> No.64711231

>>64705109
>Look at me being mature in an anime imageboard.

>> No.64711568

>>64711231
>Loses argument
>BUT IT WASN'T A REAL ARGUMENT!

>> No.64711804

>>64711568
what argument? that you have gripes with your inability ot use superior software?

the fact that unit files are not nearly as "powerful" as the shell script retarded aids, that non systemd inits use, makes it leagues more advanced.

combine that with the fact it centralizes management of facilities like fs namespacing, cgrouping (including cpu timesharing quotas) and sysv and runit fags look really retarded.

also enjoying your shitty LSB headers to get dependency management? I guess openrc has that symlink/empty file bullshit thing. but i bet your init can't generate a graphviz graph of service booting.

>> No.64711940

>>64711198
ya instead people like you should be allowed to fill some random faggot's mailbox with utter bullshit that has nothing to do with solving or discovering the issue.

>> No.64712352

>>64711804
Do you always suck so much dick?

>> No.64712424

>>64711940
>issue not resolved
>no explanation why this happens since its not normal behavior
>closed
(You)

>> No.64712439

>>64712424
>issue was resolved by explaining the rationality and then telling said user to stop buying garbage from chinks who can't write proper efi implementations instead of just using tianocore from intel.

fuck off

>> No.64712454

>>64712439
>issue was resolved
That is wrong
>said user to stop buying garbage from chinks
so much for "random faggot spamming mailbox with utter bullshit"

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systemd hate draws a lot of parallels with dipshit cultists burning piles of books.

Just saiyan.

>> No.64712476

>>64712454
there is literally no issue to begin with retard.

are you one of the retards who fuckign rm -rf'd your efi vars and broke your shitty chinky garbage? jesus fucking butthurt over literally nothing.

fuck off

>> No.64712484

>>64712476
:)

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