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Are these any good for linux?

>> No.63797491

Why wouldn't they be?

>> No.63797498

>>63797491
cause linux has notoriously bad drivers
and since it cant play gaems then what do we need to access data quickly for
>inb4 Wojack

>> No.63797503

>>63797438
give it back rasheed

>> No.63797505

>>63797491
trim, raid, meme's, etc..

>> No.63797507

>>63797498
You don't exactly need drivers for a SSD anon.

>>63797505
Supported, Supported, depends.

>> No.63797510

>>63797498
abondon thrad

>> No.63797520

>>63797507
>You don't exactly need drivers for a SSD anon
I guess the system is just magic and knows how to access the drive

>> No.63797526

>>63797507
don't you lose a ssd raid if power failure?

>> No.63797528

>>63797438
are they still overheating like crazy?
are those meme NANDs, or sasuga ones?

>> No.63797530

>>63797510
hahaha i killed the thread so quickly.
go home fellas

>> No.63797538

>>63797526
Not a problem with recent SSDs, even the cheap and chink ones have protection against power loss.

>>63797528
Only NVMe SSDs thanks to the lack of heatsinki.

>> No.63797556

>>63797520
Pretty sure the controller on the boards operate at the binary level making them just a shit load of on and off signals.

>> No.63797560

>>63797438
install gentoo

>> No.63797565

>>63797520
Chipset, OS and SATA controller job to handle that.

>> No.63797579

>>63797438
You're really shilling the hard drives tonight huh.

Please fuck off.

>> No.63797598

all devices need drivers otherwise there wouldnt be a unique chip onboard each device

>> No.63797600

>>63797579
what browser do you use?

>> No.63797605

>>63797598
Which is not a problem when it comes to Storage as long everyone follows standards.

>> No.63797623

>>63797605
i agree lol
the real problem is there is nothing anyone can do productive on linux besides things which dont even need an ssd

>> No.63797636

https://www.computerworld.com/article/2484998/solid-state-drives/ssds-do-die--as-linus-torvalds-just-discovered.html

>> No.63797685

>>63797636
>2013
Meanwhile 2017 SSDs.
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/endurance-test-of-samsung-850-pro-comes-to-an-end-after-9100tb-of-writes.html

Now that all SSDs even cheap ones have 3D NAND and proper controllers this is not a problem.

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>>63797685

>> No.63797866
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this thread

>> No.63797890

>>63797520
>>63797498
Really? It's a fucking SSD not a webcam.

>> No.63797918

It's fucking AHCI holy shit how fucking dumb is this board

>> No.63798168

>>63797491
how do you install the software it comes with?
how do you update the firmware?

>> No.63798173

>>63798168
Its not needed.
You dont unless you have to, usually you should never upgrade firmware for multiple reasons unless you have to.

Otherwise you get the old planned obsolescence tactics, see 840 EVO and 960 EVO+PRO firmware bricking.

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>> No.63798198

>>63797556
It works the same as any other SATA drive. But SSDs need to be trimmed whenever you delete something, as opposed to HDDs. How would Linux know to do this?

>> No.63798216

>>63798198
>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives#TRIM
Supported, its not like TRIM is proprietary

>> No.63798231

>>63798198
You dumb motherfucker, this is all controlled by the firmware of the drive. What are hardware abstractions?

>> No.63798244

>>63798231
someone said you have to manually trim/flush from the command line.

>> No.63798257

>>63797890
Then why do they call it a disk DRIVE?

Checkmate.

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>>63797520
>>63797520
Yas. We call this standards anon.
I bet you spent houses looking for RAM drivers.

>> No.63798296

I have this SSD. It's very good. Modern Linux will support it fine and it will be really snappy

>> No.63798324

>>63797438
>>63797498
The only downside of samsung drives is that continuous trim is disabled by the kernel, so discard option if fstab has no effect. But you can still use fstrim timer, and it's a better approach.

>> No.63798343

>>63797579
What hard drive?

>> No.63798383

>>63797438
if you're looking for more speed, download more ram

>> No.63799513

>>63797498
Buying SSD for games is one of the stupidest things you can do.

>> No.63799532

>>63799513
well actually korean mmorpg's are only things that really need ssd on pc.

>> No.63799538

>>63797438
I heard there were some bugs in Linux kernel a while ago regarding Samsung enterprise SSDs, modern kernels should be good.

>> No.63799546

>>63798244
its not windows you idiot

also linux werx better with ram disk

>> No.63799547

>>63799513
I did it, got something-512GB for $120, no regrets. Finally games load as fast as they could.

>> No.63799560

>>63799513
Why? Load times on SSD's are really short.

>> No.63799595

>>63799560
And you need to reload them so many times.
So you save heaps of time.

>> No.63799643

>>63798244
The filesystem (there are many to choose from, but any you would actually use supports this) detects you're using a SSD, and trims automatically.

>> No.63799661

>>63799643
what about fstrim?

>> No.63799798

I've never seen so many stupid motherfuckers in a single thread, so let this be an explanation of what the fuck is going on.

Almost all HDDs and SSDs under Linux are handled by a common SCSI abstraction layer that uses standard SCSI/SATA commands to communicate with on-board controllers, thus not needing any drivers.
Special features particular to certain disks (such as TRIM/DISCARD) are reported by the controllers themselves. So if you have a problem with some feature (e.g. TRIM corrupting data used to be semi-common), there's a 99% chance it's the disk vendor that fucked up the firmware.

As for TRIM/DISCARD, this is a bit more complicated. There are two versions of TRIM: normal (periodic) and continuous.
Normal TRIM is a high-overhead operation that requires blocking I/O while it runs. That's why it's also called "periodic" because it's usually run from cron once a week or so.
Continuous TRIM was made as a reaction to the perceived defects of normal TRIM, and doesn't require the aggressive blocking. However, the implementations in disk firmware are frequently botched and I wouldn't recommend enabling it if you care about your data.
Currently, the best practice for SSDs on Linux is to use periodic TRIM once a week. Mainstream distros usually come with a systemd timer for this (fstrim.timer) and some even enable it by default if they detect you have an SSD. Linux kernel also has a blacklist of SSDs with known buggy firmware and doesn't send TRIM commands to them, so you should be safe.

>> No.63800291

>>63799513
absolute retard you are

>> No.63800303

>>63797438
Don't waste your money. SSDs still make no noticeable difference.

>> No.63800348

>>63799798
I just fstrim my mountpoints manually every week or so

>> No.63800465

>>63797438
Yeah, I have a 500GB and a 250GB one that I run Fedora on and I use XFS with them. It works well.

>>63798168
Who the fuck cares?

>> No.63800478

>>63800303
Yes they do, poorfag retard.

>> No.63800484

is this the new meme thread?

>> No.63800939

>>63800478
>>63800484
how so?

>> No.63800998

>>63799513
SSDs are the standard for a modern computer

>quad core
>8-16 gb ram
>6 gb+ gpu
>ssd

>> No.63801070

>>63797438

Yes. Pair it with a CPU and some RAM for optimal performance, preferably on a motherboard

>> No.63801125

>>63799513
Were you born stupid or dropped on your head as a child?

>> No.63801178

>>63800998
In the world of today, having less than 6 cores and 16GB of memory is below the standard.
AMD, Intel, and even phone manufacturers have 6-core mainstream products.

>> No.63801192

>>63798198
Any recent version of Linux should should already have built in support for automatic weekly trimming via cron. Otherwise you can enter the command manually. No need to run it more than once a day at the most.

sudo fstrim -v /

>> No.63801206

>>63799513
If we were living in 2013, I would agree with you.

>> No.63801227

>>63800303
Why do you lie like that anon? If you bought some chink shit SSD, then yeah, it probably didn’t make much of a difference for you.

>> No.63801248

>>63798290
You don't flash RAM drivers?

pleb

>> No.63801281

>>63797520
lets say you do need drivers for any drive then
where exactly would you store these drivers before installing them? You couldnt install them on the drive, because the system doesnt know how to access it

>> No.63801342

The real question is, why the fuck are SSDs NOT GOING DOWN IN PRICE?
That fucking 850 EVO was cheaper by €20 last year, over here.
Fucking flash cartel.

>> No.63801390

>>63797528
You can get heatsinks for M2 SSDs.
>>63797685
>Now that all SSDs even cheap ones have 3D NAND and proper controllers this is not a problem.
They've actually started releasing SSDs without a RAM cache.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/dramless-ssd-roundup,4833.html

>> No.63801415

>>63801342
because you would still buy them

>> No.63801424

HDD is better

>> No.63801434

linux can use ssd on around 70%
windows squeezes all the speed

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>>63801178
>comparing ARM cores to x86 cores

>> No.63801508

>>63800939
genuinely wondering if it was, saw a thread with an equally stupid, similarly phrased question with nearly the same image last night

>> No.63801965

>>63801342
Ram shortage.

>> No.63802345

>>63797438
It's just another block device. It works excellent out of the box with Linux.

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>>63797438
>Are these any good for stick shift?

>> No.63802499

>>63797438
Ive run an 850 on Ubuntu 16.04 for a year now, no troubles

There used to be problems with trim in the kernel but that's fixed now

>> No.63803283

>>63801342
NAND is already decreasing in price.

>>63801390
So, low end SSDs without SLC cache when?

>> No.63803332

>>63802380
Automatic cruise control with stop and go is the new standard.

>> No.63803532

>>63797438

Yes i run Ubuntu on that very same model.

>> No.63803611

>>63797438
No, due to NTFS being fragmented linear file system, recent samsung SSDs have been a lot better under windows.

Look at the WD greens instead.

>> No.63803647

>>63797438
NO! If you are truly a lover of GNU/Linux stay away from flash storage and related. Hard drives are the only way to go. Flash media is a corporate scam and should be avoided and not supported!
That's the exact reason GNU/Linux prefers running on a hard drive and purposely disadvantages on SSDs.

>> No.63803665

>>63803611
Then why fragmentation is a thing?

>> No.63803667

So what about encryption? Since for better security, you should overwrite disk with random data, before creating partitions, which slows it down, and you cannot use TRIM, is it worth anything?

>> No.63803711

>>63799513
dude I would open fucking Team fortress 2 on my HDD and it'd be annoyingly and very noticeably slower.

I spent 340$ on a 1TB 850 EVO and I don't regret it one bit.

>> No.63803765

>>63797438
Linux is a kernel, commonly installed in operating systems such as GNU and Android.

>> No.63803767

>>63803667
>So what about encryption?
If you're using a TLC drive like the Samsung EVO, you have to enable TRIM (dm-crypt "allow-discards")
or performance will degrade badly

MLC drives like the Samsung Pro are much better suited for full disk encryption
I have 2 fully encrypted Samsung 850 Pro under Linux and performance has not degraded

About to buy another 1 TB Samsung 960 Pro

>> No.63803797

>>63799513
>t. poverty

>> No.63803811

>>63797890
Actually, USB webcams mostly have a standard interface, too: UVC. Almost all USB webcams on Linux are handled by a single driver + v4l2 layer.

>> No.63803824

>>63799513
It's kind of pointless for gaymers, you miss the hints/tips on loading screens when you die

>> No.63803825

>>63799513
Getting first picks in overwatch says otherwise.

>> No.63803834

>>63799513
Why? From personal experience, HDD vs SSD I've got loading time differences from 45seconds with HDD to 4 seconds with SSD.
If you can afford it, why not?

>> No.63803842

>>63803825
>t. hanzo main

>> No.63803853

>>63797498
>cause linux has notoriously bad drivers
Why hasn't anyone responded to this bait?

>> No.63803865

>>63797438
what a totally not a shill thread, I'm sure nobody realized it, great job, champ

>> No.63803916

So I remember reading that the 850 evo Samsung now is alright to use more like an HDD since they've improved so much they'll last asking as an HDD.
This true?

>> No.63803943

>>63803842
can't have the other wannabe hanzo mains grab him before I do

>> No.63803949

>>63803916
I've got my first ever ssd 850 evo. Seems a bit of a meme, its faster but not life changing

>> No.63803984

>>63798257
underrated

>> No.63803985

>>63803949
Same here. Haven't really used it as cloning my OS seems like a schlep. I've got drivers and all these .DLL to move.
Anyway to move my old is over without having to back up/move all my nonsysten data?

>> No.63804005

>>63797498
It actually has better driver support... Obscure stuff like Wii Remotes are supported out of the box.

>> No.63804052

>>63803853
nice meta bait, anon. Have a (you)

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