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>320$ for 1800X
>250$ for 1700X
>Zen+ comes out February 2018


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can I ask you stop being so antisemitic and delet this post, sir?

>> No.63517713

There is no reason why the 1800X should cost any more than 320 to begin with. Also it's not like it doesn't get btfo by a shitty core i5 with 6 cores for gayman.

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>shitty core i7 with 6 cores for gaymen
At least you tried:

>> No.63517823

You still didn't disprove the fact that a shitty sub <$200 core i5 with 6 cores btfo's anything AMD has to over for gayman.

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You need to try way harder than just that, kid.

>The pic-related shows us that:
>Lower "average" FPS on RyZen, but it must be noted that: a) RyZen doesn't stutter at all, while Inturd stutters like fuck all the time, b) RyZen has much smoother overall experience because minimal FPS is much higher than on Inturd, c) RyZen has much more accurate and better load distribution across cores (which adds even more to the improving the overall quality of the playing experience, alongside two of the previously mentioned factors). Basically what this means is - higher average FPS doesn't mean jack shit in this modern day and age. Only frame-pacing and minimal FPS matters, and both of these are way better on Zen than on Inturd. In other words - if you're buying a CPU for quality gaming you have to be a total idiot to buy Inturd instead of Zen. But dirty kikes would try to sway you into thinking otherwise, of course. Do NOT get pixie-dusted by Jews.

>And if it's productivity - Zen still completely and utterly obliterates Inturd. This is truly a bad time for anyone to buy anything Inturd-related or branded. Just don't. Don't be a moron. Know better. Get Zen.

>> No.63518098

>One core always 100%, rest 80-50%
>good game for any benchmark

>> No.63518193


>Assasin's Creed: DRMigins
>benchmarking with gaymes

back to /v/ faggot

>> No.63518248

>replying to the designated pajeet who samefags and bumps his own treads after 10 hours

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>> No.63518348

>muh games
The only argument intelshills have.

>> No.63518412

>If I'd wanted to "boost productivity", I'd just get Threadripper, not Coffin Fake. We're not talking about "productivity" here, however. Both i5 2500K and i7 2600K are GAYMING CPUs first and foremost, so is 8700K (it's being advertised as 7700K's successor. which is already utterly retarded in itself since 7700K sucks ass in games due to INEPT stuttering and other problems). That's why their performance in games is all what matters, NOT synthetics or any other shit. And that performance difference is ~8% between the two, regardless of GPUs and settings used. That's 6 years. In 6 years Intel only managed to increase performance by measly ~8% (and that's in best, Intel-compiler biased cases. In many it's actually no more than ~4% usually). And this is with "two more cores" while being horse cum-splattered, with RF ID under the lid and with hidden Minix, and costing more money. Literal DOA garbage.

>And the most hilarious thing about that is the Witcher 3, which is Intel compiler-fucked as hell. Witcher 3 should theoretically get the most benefit from new Intel processor, but it actually doesn't and difference is so negligible it's downright laughable considering that Sandy came out 4 years before Witcher 3. 2 FPS difference on 1070 and 5 FPS on 1080 Ti. And Deus Ex is 1.5 FPS on 1080 Ti and on 1070 2600K actually BEATS the fucking 8700K! EL-OH-EL! SIX COARZ, HIGHER FREECUMZEES! AYY LMAO!

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>5 rupees have been deposited into your designated account

>> No.63518455


You can't be that retarded can you?

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>Calling me a Pajeet

>> No.63518505

He's a typical brainwashed horse cum-gargling Intbecile, what did you expect?

Checked 'em.

>> No.63518510

>ignoring the various added features and graphics processing added to the latest processor

>> No.63518528

>pajeet got gifted someone's old 2600k
nice, enjoy it

>> No.63518539

>Not only 1440p, but 1080p also. It's barely noticeable (margin of error) regardless of resolution, settings, or GPUs. Increase from 1070 to 1080 Ti is obviously noticeable, sure, but in lieu of comparison between same GPU/RAM setups with 2600K and 8700K - it's almost nonexistent.

>The point is - you won't see a big difference even with 1080 Ti. FPS will be higher between 1070 and 1080 Ti, obviously, but ~8% difference between CPUs is same across all GPUs and settings. It's downright disgustingly laughable, as it just shows that i7 2600K STILL DOESN'T BOTTLENECK EVEN THE MOST HEAVIEST OF MODERN YOBA EVEN SIX FULL YEARS LATER, so 8700K's "relevance factor" is literally NONEXISTENT as "better productivity" can be gained with much cheaper Zen.

>> No.63518561

>>The point is - you won't see a big difference even with 1080 Ti. FPS will be higher between 1070 and 1080 Ti, obviously, but ~8% difference between CPUs is same across all GPUs and settings. It's downright disgustingly laughable, as it just shows that i7 2600K STILL DOESN'T BOTTLENECK EVEN THE MOST HEAVIEST OF MODERN YOBA EVEN SIX FULL YEARS LATER, so 8700K's "relevance factor" is literally NONEXISTENT as "better productivity" can be gained with much cheaper Zen.
You are a fucking buzzkill. just don't buy the new processor faggot

>> No.63518584

Ignore him. He's a shitposting retard doing it for 12+ hours straight every day. I wonder how the mods still tolerate him.

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>He's so buttblasted of a total retard that he seriously implies I didn't buy it
At least you tried, kid:

>> No.63518662

I'm a 2600K god, it's only natural that I'm not so autistic as to buy any poocessors Intrash been shitting out since Ivy and I'll obviously will be buying Zen from now on instead of that GARBAGE SHIT you're eating with a spoonful.

Cry even harder, you amuse me with your inept retardation.

>> No.63518663

>retarded shitposter
checks out
So I can safely assume that you're a paid AYYYMD shill because slavland doesn't have welfare and you're here every day.

>> No.63518677

reported, shut the fuck up you materialistic retard

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>> No.63518728

wow i'm really too poor to care about AMD/Intel, i purchased my pc for personal stuff like p2p servers, VMs and gaming

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>Actually having brains and not being a brainwashed consumerist sheep is now considered being a poorfag

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>> No.63518819

this passes for humor here?

>> No.63518839
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You missed the thread, Terry.

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>> No.63519041

tell me about this pic anon

>> No.63519133

Is the 1600x a good upgrade over the 1090t?

>> No.63519199

Gen1 Zen's RyZen is literally two 2600Ks by IPC and PPC, so go figure. Just add 2600K to 2600K and you'll get 1700X. 1600X is just slightly below that.

>> No.63519454

1600 with free cooler and overclocked is an even better deal.

>> No.63519827


It's closer to Haswell/Skylake IPC. Also 1600x is 6 cores compared to 8 on the 1700, it's a big gap for anything that likes cores.

>> No.63519863

>It's closer to Haswell/Skylake IPC
See >>63517773. Literally same shit for 6+ years.

>> No.63519943

GPU bottleneck. Taken clock for clock there's something like 10-20% improvement from Sandy to Haswell. Sky/Kaby/Coffee completely fucking stalled out though.

>> No.63520011

>GPU bottleneck
See >>63518539 and >>63518561. It doesn't matter what GPU and what settings. There is no bottleneck factor, as only CPU performance between generations is tested. And that increase is ~8% in 6+ (almost 7) years, which is best case scenario as majorly it's actually no more than ~4% increase in 98.2% of cases. Disgusting.

>> No.63520073

>Taken clock for clock there's something like 10~20% improvement from Sandy to Haswell
Only if you judge entire real-life everyday long-term performance by cuckolded goy synthetic benchmarks aimed at brainwashed consumerist victims of dirty Jewish marketing sharks. It is really about the time you finally wake up, Neo. You're living in a little pink world of delusional denial of the harsh reality. Intrash been cucking you hard since Ivy, only Sandy was actually major breakthrough and an absolutely worthwhile purchase - right after that everything went to shit in Inturd.

>> No.63521378

So what everyone is saying itt is, you don't need to upgrade if you have at least a 2500k unless you're a consumerist whore? Or do these threads exist for babies to throw their favorite brand name around and laugh at the other one?

>> No.63521552

>you don't need to upgrade if you have at least a 2500k unless you're a consumerist whore?
Exactly this, but only in relation to Intel's "modern" (read - anything beyond Sandy) garbage. If you're going Zen from Sandy, upgrade is more than worthwhile and absolutely warranted for as long as you're going straight to 8 core models or higher (Threadripper, Zen+, Zen 2, or etc).

>> No.63521627

What benefit at all would a new cpu give anyone who is running a 2500k? Nothing even comes close to maxing it out except rendering, and then you're better off using your gpu anyway. CPU upgrades seem like the worst value upgrades on the market next to networking adaptors and sound cards.

>> No.63521662

A 2500K is pretty garbage now for gaming, you need at least 4C/8T, upgrade to a 2600K at the least. 4C/4T stutters pretty badly in modern games. An 8700 or 1600 won't improve your average framerate much however the experience will be much more stable and smooth.

>> No.63521689

>What benefit at all would a new CPU give anyone who is running a 2500K?
Are even for real, NIGGER?

>experience will be much more stable and smooth
>Literal 7700 2.0
KYS, Intbecile.

>> No.63521721

I'm running one with a 1070 and it doesn't hit 100% on anything new, or it does and I don't notice it (frames don't drop below 60)
More speed and a few watts power saving is pointless for the cost when I'm not rendering much, even when I am it's enough to still do other shit like play games with no drops.

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--> >>63519199. That's all you really need to know. And this applies to every field, including /g/oyming.

>> No.63521754

What the hell are you even on about? The main issue with Kaby Lake was lack of cores causing games to not be smooth, Coffee Lake has 6 cores which solves that problem. If the 8700 isn't smooth in a game than neither will the 1600.

>> No.63521776

>min frames don't drop below 60
>doesn't hit 100% on anything new
Who are you trying to fool here, NIGGER?

>> No.63521808

Please stop calling me that, I'm a white guy from Argentina

>> No.63521903

>Coffee Lake has 6 cores which solves that problem
It doesn't even in the slightest as it's a horse cum-splattered, RF ID and hidden Minix spying rootkit-ridden, concentration camp oven-tier temps, stuttery POS. It's also still monolithic garbage, which Zen already shown to be a completely wrong approach on how to make a modern CPU. And it's being advertised and promoted everywhere EXACTLY as "7700K's sucksessor for M-M-MAXIMUM /G/OYMEN". Two shitty cores on a nuclear stove don't make jack difference when these two more cores are way more expensive and worse than what competition offers. 1600X tramples Covfefe Fake into dust, on every field. Yes, they both have 6 cores, but Zen's 6 cores >>>>> Inturd's monolithic garbage 6 """""(((cores)))""""". The situation that was with FX back in the days - it's completely reversed now. Back then Intel was worth it and AMD was producing pseudo-cores with artificially inflated corn Hz that didn't do jack in real life. Now we have Zen that's absolutely worth it and it's Intel who inflates Hz artificially and produces inept garbage shit. If you're not seeing this or deliberately ignoring these facts - KYS already. Intel's haven't been any good or worthwhile at all since 2600K/2700K.

>> No.63522012

Again, you SPIC NIGGER, what part of the "average FPS doesn't mean jack and only higher minimal FPS with low frame-pacing matters as these are the only two catalyst which guarantee 100% smooth experience" you don't get/unable to comprehend? Your "my 2500K almost never drops below 60 FPS on AVERAGE" doesn't mean JACK SHIT, as it's MINIMUMS are ABYSMAL in the case if you're "averaging" with 60's on it (usually an AVERAGE of 60 means that your MINIMAL FPS is AT LEAST two times lower than that, in 30's OR even lower. Which is SHIT and does NOT give "very smooth playing experience" AT-EFFING-ALL! Only and ONLY if you're able to output your MINIMUMS at AT LEAST 60 FPS, THEN you will get 100% smooth experience IF you're using a 60Hz refresh rate on your monitor. For you to get a 100% smooth experience on a 120Hz monitor, you need to output 120FPS AT THE VERY LEAST on MINIMAL side).

>> No.63522052

>be any year after 2011
>new release is 1-9% better
>is slightly more power efficient
>costs 25% more

Ryzen isn't as bad as Intel's last 3 release cycles, but improvement is still minimal.

>> No.63522098

Holy shit, do you have any more buzzwords to spout? What a waste of a post. Intel is a shitty company but you haven't posted any evidence of the 8700(K) being a non-smooth experience, or at least worse than the 1600.

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Improvement is insane, you stupid neoFAGlord.

See here - http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-2600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1600X/621vs3920 ~ http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-2600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X/621vs3916 . And this is only "gen1" Zen that's a completely new IP made from scratch which is VERY RAW and clearly unpolished at all. Zen+ comes out February 2018 and it'll be EXACTLY the same jump for AMD the equivalent of which was Intel's Sandy in comparison to Core2Quad. Even if you're so retarded as to dismiss gen 1 RyZen for one way or another, ignoring that Zen+ comes out early next year and it'll be "AMD's Sandy Bridge" is downright INTBECILIC.

>> No.63522178

I didn't say average you literal sperg, learn to read

>> No.63522194

You IMPLIED it, you dumb fuck. Now you're just backpedaling.

>> No.63522236

No, I said frames don't drop below 60.
You imagined it, and then you went to sperg mode.
Learn to read.

>> No.63522277

THEY DROP BELOW 60 IF THEY'RE AVERAGING AT 60, YOU DUMB FUCK! You NEVER said that you have MINIMAL of 60, and even if you'd did - this would've had been a FUCKING LIE in 98.20% cases with 2500K.

>> No.63522316

Read the posts again, I didn't say minimal, or average.
Also take your heart medicine.

>> No.63522345

The fuck are you on about. I game on a 7700k at stock and there is no stuttering.

>> No.63522382

He has a brain tumor and anxiety issues

>> No.63522388


Stupid goytel, that one maxed core is the one bringing down the fps, a cpu can get as many fps as long that 1 core doesn't maxed out

>> No.63522479


This is the very first time in my life I say this: Take a chill pill dude.

Also he never said it was 60 AVG, he said it doesn't drop from 60 so that means his minimals are still above 60.

>> No.63522603

So what you're saying is the new Ryzen+ CPUs will be faster than the current Ryzen CPUs? Do we have an idea as to how much faster they'll be? 5% - 9%?

>> No.63522973

Off yourself already.

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>7700K doesn't stutter

>> No.63523050

Gen1 Zen is 14nm, Zen+ is 12nm. Calculate off of that in relation to density and power savings per shrinkage.

>> No.63523066

There will be both ipc and clock gains. I expect 15%.

>> No.63523076

>I goym on a 7700K
My deepest condolences to your family/relatives. It's hard when there's an autistic kid in family.

>at stock and there is no stuttering
Wash off horse cum away from your face and eyes.

>> No.63523102

AMD-tards so furious ITT.

Getting my i5 8400 tomorrow. Stay mad, nerds.

>> No.63523152

Gen1 Zen is currently able to go up to 4.1GHz on air and 4.3GHz on FCWCL alongside with lottery won. Zen+ and it's 12nm will enable for it to go at least 4.4GHz stable all cores & threads on air and stable ~4.8GHz on FCWCL with lottery won. This will basically make one 8 core RyZen 2 equal two 2600Ks OverClocked to 5.2GHz on FCWCL, while RyZen 2 would consume less energy and produce less heat than 2600K.

>> No.63523201

Eat shit, coprofag. No one's stopping you from being an autistic idiot, that's for sure.

>> No.63523554

That'd mean we're looking at Intel-level single threaded performance and better-than-Intel multicore performance.

Possibly even more headroom to overclock.

>> No.63523742

There's already Intel-level core performance in RyZen, just not latest horse cum-plastered gens-wise. RyZen 2's 12nm will allow to rip past that hymen.

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>i7s stutter
>Only ryzen is smooth
This is just a lie spread by AMDs shill force.
It's a response to Ryzen losing across the board to i7s.
In a fanboy's mind, if ryzen is smoother; it's OK that it loses in AVG framerates.

If you look at 0.1% and 1% lows, there is no discernible data that says i7s stutter more than ryzen.

That being said, I'm probably gonna buy zen2.

>> No.63523822

>4.1GHz on air and 4.3GHz on FCWCL
You mean a Max of 3.8ghz on reasonable voltage
And 4.1ghz with stupid high voltages.
All ryzen chips after TR and epic are all bad bins and OC like garbage.
I saw a thread of ryzen OCs and a few people were hitting 3.7ghz at 1.4V.
That's dogshit OC potential.

This 12nm refresh will probably allow a 4.2ghz boost across the board

>> No.63523857

I want Zen+ Threadripper so I can get better single threaded as well as (at least) 2 full x16 PCIe slots

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At least you tried, schlomo.

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You need to try way harder than just that, kike.

>> No.63523916

Threadripper 1950X already has enough lanes to fully provide 3 x16 PCI-e 3.0

>> No.63523922

I know, but I want to wait for Zen+ for better IPC and potentially higher OC. I'm not really in a hurry.

>> No.63524027

Average FPS doesn't mean jack shit as it fluctuates all the time just as Max does, you Intbecile. Only higher minimal FPS matters as it, alongside with low frame timings, guarantees butter-smooth experience, because after certain threshold (60 FPS on 60Hz monitor) minimal FPS is so solid that it doesn't matter at all if you have at 100500+ average or Max, because at minimum of 60 FPS you'll be just applying V-sync/Radeon's FRTC/Frame Limit etc., to avoid tearing. Intel has much worse frame timings and due to that it stutters as fuck in many games, and it also has generally lower minimal FPS in games across the board than RyZen does. This is a FACT, and no amount of baked-up BS FUD paid/bribed """""(((reviewer)))""""" charts would change any of this HARSH TRUTH OF REALITY. Intel SUCKS MAJOR DIRTY LIMP NIGGER DICKS in games, Zen does NOT unless you DELIBERATELY GIMP IT with shitty memory or other shitty components in a system.

>> No.63524089

Your picture PROVES that single core performance is more important than multi core performance in gaming. One core is always pinned to 100%.

RYZEN IS A NICHE CPU. Get it through your heads AMDIOTS.

>> No.63524124

Read the text, you DUMB fuck. It's AVERAGE FPS there and it doesn't mean JACK SHIT. Look at LOAD distribution AND take into consideration that RyZen does NOT stutter while Intel DOES, and that RyZeb has HIGHER minimal FPS than Intel does.

>> No.63524138

Minimal FPS is not a reliable analog for smoothness, because the absolute minimum could literally be a single frame of the benchmark (for instance immediately after loading). What you need to look for are benchmarks which show frame time percentiles, that way you actually get a reliable figure which you can trust. If you look at the highest 1%/5% frame times, you know that those numbers are reached regularly, as such it's a measurement of true "stable state" gameplay performance rather than a potential freak slow frame.

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>> No.63524177

lol nobody in their right mind buys ryzen
people want their PC to work, not experiment with it

>> No.63524195

>Minimal FPS is not a reliable analog for smoothness
Are you even for real, NIGGER? You can't be THIS dumb? Because I was clearly referring to MINIMAL FPS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF A GAME, not "load during a benchmark", you SHITHEAD. I never said anything about BENCHMARKS, I was referring to REAL WORLD, ACTUAL PLAYING PERFORMANCE. Zen guarantees much higher minimal FPS ACROSS THE ENTIRETY OF THE GAME, while Intel STUTTERS AND DROPS LIKE FUCK AND IT'S CLEARLY SHOWN HERE http://youtu.be/11NfsMykyAk?t=5m1s FUCKING OFF YOURSELF ALREADY, YOU DUMB INTBECILE

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Woah there AMDIOT, don't have a housefire now.

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Get the fuck out, glow in the dark CIA nigger.

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Look who's talking, lel

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>> No.63524443

but thats the 8 cores, right?

>> No.63524477

It's Zen+, that's all that matters. Also, they usually release top first and lower tier models later.

>> No.63524615

>The "PCs are for games" post

>> No.63524660

>"I can get over 80fps and I can really see the difference"
>60hz 1080p monitor
Die fagit

>> No.63524737

That's the point though.
Dirty kikes will try to sway you into believing that Intel's TRASH is better by "testing" in 640x480 on minimal settings. AMD only uses real life cases with real loads, no pixie dust.

>> No.63524755

Amd will never be good when 95% of people buying these cpus is for gaming and intel still dominates

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I have breaking news for you, kid: it's already good.

>> No.63524827

not as good as intel tho . the 8700k in some gayms gets like 30 to 50 fps more , that s insane

>> No.63524914

0/10, try harder.

>> No.63524931

Inlel BTFO

>> No.63524966

But Jews and their goy cuckold fanboy anal whores will try to hide that fact from you by SHUTTING. DOWN. EVERYTHING.

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>> No.63526486

>kabylake flopped
>coffeelake flopped
>icelake rushed out the door to compensate for failure

shits going to have hardware failures

>> No.63526698

You're not trying hard enough.

>> No.63526742


Faster is not always better.

>> No.63526779

Just ignore this buttblasted Intbecile, he's hilarious in his lame attempts at trying to justify buying post-Sandy Inturd garbage.

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>> No.63526876

Stop samefagging subhuman mongoloid slav. Did you make enough money for vidks today?

>> No.63527139

What a pathetic response

>> No.63527424


Harder, kid. Harder. You're not ripping your ass apart hard enough yet.

>> No.63527431

>he thinks AMD makes competitive processors when half of their budget is spent on shilling social media

>> No.63527451

I don't care, I want my gaymes

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>> No.63527515

"turns out there is something for the smoothness... but it's not really a big deal" great thanks m9

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>he thinks Intel makes competitive processors when 80% of their budget is spent on bribing social media, OEMs, hardware reviewing outlets and massaging Ryan Shrout's prostate while sucking him off vigorously at the same time so that he produces more baked-up BS FUD fairy tales about AMD's products in his next PcPoo Poodcast episodes

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FOR HIM it's "not", but it doesn't mean for other (normal) people it wouldn't. What matters is facts. Intel stutters like hell - fact. Zen doesn't stutter - fact. Intel has abysmal frame pacing that goes way above 16ms - fact. Zen stays below 16ms all the time and most (roughly 70%) of the time it's actually in a ~10ms territory - fact. Intel has shitty load distribution even with Vulkan and proper multi thread implementation - fact. Zen has very good load distribution even in without Vulkan and without fully correct multi thread implementation - fact. Intel is more expensive - fact. Zen is much cheaper - fact. Intel consumes much more energy and has bad efficiency - fact. Zen consumes less energy than Intel and has amazing efficiency - fact. Intel has horse cum and RF ID under the lid, and it spies on you through other rootkits such as hidden Minix alongside with deliberate ME holes left for NSA - fact. Zen is directly soldered with high quality expensive metals and it doesn't spy on you all - fact. Intel uses unfair and dirty handed tactics against it's competition - fact. AMD plays 100% fair - fact. Intel caters to liberasts, SJWs, feminazi, kikes, antifa fascists, neoFAGs, furfags, soyboys, Pajeets, Spics, NIGGERS, and all that other scum - fact. AMD is a company almost completely consisting of white people with Asian MILF as a boss - fact.

So, what shall it be, hm?

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>> No.63527820

Nice try, but no cigar. Where is memory? Where are clocks? Were microcode patches implemented? Don't give me any of this crap of yours, kid.
>Geralt 3

>> No.63527838

fuggin miners stealing muh silicon

will i be able to order any of these at a uninflated sane price before the holidays?

they were already bought out before the price drop


>> No.63527844

the cognitive dissonance is astounding.

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damn monero miners

>> No.63527902

He's just subhuman slav born with fetal alcohol syndrome.

>> No.63527919

Stop samefagging, loser.

>> No.63527935

Hmm, where's the single core old school game tests? FX sucked at this. If I can't do it all with a cpu then what's the point? I'd rather stick with a cpu that did everything I asked with zero issues than get one that while may be higher clocked and have moar cores sucked at some things.

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>> No.63528145

>unironically believing there's no backdoor in his amd cpu or whatever os he uses.

>> No.63528345

You mean the old single core games that any half-decent cpu runs at frames higher than available refresh rates?

>> No.63528965

Intel btfo

>> No.63529364

>More expensive
>But it's FASTER!
The absolute state of Intel fags.

>> No.63529443

And by that picture we can infer 8400 beats 7900X. Wow

>> No.63529970
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> no iGPU
Fuck off.

>> No.63529988

>highest end of threadripper still cant beat coffee lake

>> No.63530010

Intel stutters like hell, it's shit, it's hot, it's slow, it's garbage basically. YET.
Fucking yet.
Every reviewer who spent weeks on running benchmarks and testing (frametimes, lag, min rates, avg), they tested a fuckton of games.
And then they recommend Intel.

So basically, you are saying that all the fucking tech community is wrong. The benchmark methods and tools are faulty. Only on fucking /g/ you can find legit information. Only here. Not elsewhere.

Are you seriously fucking going to try that? Really now?
Just fuck off.

> inb4 but they pay shills
So do fucking AMD. That's how corporate works. Guess why do we have so many "AMD is better", "Intel is better" threads. Because people are fucking paid to post.

> inb4 Intel shill
I do have an Intel, but only because Intel was the only offer in mobile space. ASUS now offers Ryzen fitted laptops, but I wonder about the thermals, and it also has the shitty RX series AMD GPU. So it's a turd basically.

>> No.63530023

Its true

>be me
>play mass effect ;Andromeda
>very noticeable stutter
>wait for 10 minutes
>its gone
>reast of the game is smooth
>very high FPS
>viable sweat
>"wait is your PC stuttering intel fag"
>"N-No its just buggy on my cpu"
>"Okay bud don't sweat it "
>*sleintly reee at the ryzen fag*
>keep playing on my i7 6700k
>*the absolote state of NZ intel gaming*

>> No.63530036

>I game on an iGPU because I only play Solitaire

>> No.63530046

No one games on it. It's there so you can encode without putting load on your CPU or GPU. It's there so your dGPU does not have to work like at all when you don't game or do 3D work. iGPU is fucking godsend.

>> No.63530071

And also:
- You can use it for gpu-passthrough.
- You can use it if your main GPU has to be sent back for RMA, or you are in the process of replacing it, whatever.
It's just great.

>> No.63530169

I'd expect 1-5% better singlecore IPC through tuning and fixing bugs on silicon instead of as microcode, 1-10% better multicore IPC if they speed up the infinity fabric and 5-25% more clocks. Threadrippers would gain another percent or two on top of that.

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>singlecore IPC
>multicore IPC
I thought this was /g/.

>> No.63530506

>play mass effect ;Andromeda
spot the fake story

>> No.63530904

That image makes me feel absurdly smug. I'm gonna be real sad when my 2600K eventually dies.

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W-what is this real? Is ny 8700k really comparible to an old 2600k?

>> No.63531597

when GPU bottlenecked
why are you even surprised?

>> No.63531638

Is there a reason not to get a 8400 for gayming ?

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Love the pic. Never fails to trigger the juden.
>65° lowest
>83° highest
You know what time it is my friend.

>> No.63531745

you still can't buy it anywhere. 50 days after launch.

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I find it pretty amazing that you guys will always jump inside these threads and circlejerk/brandfag yourselves to oblivion.

Don't get me wrong, it's a technology board and CPUs are technology for sure.

But every time I pop on /g/ there's always one of these threads and you people keep feeding them, over and over again, same arguments all the time.

Market research is one thing, circlejerking about the same two companies for all eternity is a form of personal hell that you guys enjoy, I guess.

>> No.63531816

>CPUs are technology
But no one on /g/ talks CPU as in technology.

>> No.63531822

what do you think SMT does?

>> No.63531853

Way too true. They only talk about them to a consumerist whore extent.

>> No.63531855

Adds another thread to extract ILP.
That's TLP, the two threads are independent.

>> No.63531864

Sometimes the opposite hapeons >>63450467

>> No.63532048

hence more IPC. What thread the instructions came from is irrelevant

>> No.63532148

>he is not running a 3930k since several years ago

>> No.63533382

It is funny, how amdrones praise ryzen's efficiency, low tdp and temps (which is the right thing to do) but when it come to gpus, where the picture is opposite(nvidia offers twice the efficiency, lower temps, better driver support), they start with mental gymnastics by claiming that high tdp is okay, noise is not an issue, temperatures should be that way.

>> No.63533392

You're a fucking retard. Kill yourself.

>> No.63533541

It's a good job I have a bunch of shit tier PCI GPU's lying around then. Passthru has never worked fro me (at least in later versions of Windows where it turns into a crashfest.

>> No.63533663

I don't. I just managed to get my Vega 56 at MSRP, flashed to 64, undervolted and am happy with it's performance (Beating 1070 Ti and matching 1080 occasionally) is all.

>> No.63533684

How? It's a 1080.

>> No.63533825

>i5 2400 at 3.6ghz
>don't use enough multithreaded programs
>used ivy bridge 3370k are still 180 bong dollars used, same price as a brand new 1600x
>can't justify a completely new ryzen 1600x build
just fuggen kill me senpai, sandy bridge was too good

>> No.63533859

I mean. You could have bought 1070ti for the same price and would get same performance with half power consumption and 3x less noise.

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Has an AMD/Intel thread EVER convinced anyone to change their mind? Has there been a single instance in all of history of /g/?

>> No.63533932

Both you guys are missing a detail that explains why "2+2=3".
The whole point of HT and similars is that CPUs have stalls.
You fucked with the branch prediction, the memory still didn't came with the data you need, some cosmic ray shoot from hell, basically there are constant shits that make a CPU stop running code for a few cycles, and they're so frequent, it's what actually have the atlhon an advantage of the P4, because the smaller pipeline made it's stalls smaller.
The idea of the HT is that you split a core in two virtual threads, and when one of those threads stall, you just give the whole CPU to the other thread, running it twice the speed while the other thread unfucks itself.
Of course, if the CPU is very fucking efficient, the gains are not as big.
Those jaguar shits that the consoles use abuse of this trick to suck less.

>> No.63534369

Where can clear gains be seen from using HT other than cinebench or maybe handbrake? I was tempted to swap my cpu for something with HT but as far as I can see the difference is negligible for my use unfortunately.

>> No.63534573

Depends on the task in question. Generally like he said, the more a core stalls when running a specific task, the more benefit HT provides. If its a very compact very fast task like looking for tripcodes that can run entirely within the L2/L3 caches on-die and has a very tight execution loop, hyperthreading provides virtually no benefit. If the task has to constantly load/store data to ram or otherwise stop execution to do other shit, Hyperthreading can provide an enormous boost. Its why tasks like 3d rendering and video transcoding get such a huge boost from it.

To a lesser extent, Hyperthreading is useful when multiple tasks want to execute but the resources are limited

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>> No.63535306

>>Zen+ comes out February 2018

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>> No.63535373

wtf thats a 1 fps difference

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Why are Autistic Micro Dick shills so aggressive?

Why are they shilling for a multi-billion dollar company on a Mongolian yak herding chatroom?

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Antisemitic AMD shill squadron out in full force today I see. Let me clear that up with some objective benchmarks (see attached picture).

Daily reminder to report all AMD users and supporters for antisemitic racist hate speech.

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>>Zen+ comes out February 2018

Late 2018 at best. Also Zen+ doesn't exist, after Zen comes Zen 2.

>> No.63535484

Oh boy, here we go again.

>> No.63535556

Prove me wrong faggot

>> No.63535588

You want reason from people buying reference vegas and bulldozer cpus?

>> No.63535605

intel shills are no better. god, i hope risc-v comes out soon. i can't bear all you faggots.

>> No.63535634

>they do it too!!!!!!!

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yes, both intel shills and amd shills. that's why they are shills.

>> No.63535803

>>be me
You need to be 18 to post on this site

>> No.63536793

>FX series
Try harder next time.

>> No.63537040

But then I would have had to buy a Goysync monittor so it would not be as cheap.

>> No.63537059

No. Everyone is a troll and an asshole.

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>> No.63537448

Any sync is an input delay inducing meme

>> No.63537532

>tfw EU masterrace
all prices are same number +10-15%, but in Euros instead, for a total EU privilege cost of 33%

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>autism the post

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I picked results posted in this thread and compared them to average prices of chips in my country.
It would be nice have some result for i3 processors as well, because the high end cpus have wide range of prices and I don't take them seriously. R7 1800x has prices in 400-800 range, for whatever reason.

>> No.63538653


For real though, that guy got lucky. Arc Flash can be so brutally powerful it can vaporize a person.

>> No.63538951

Goddamn I found a R5 1600 for 150 euros but it's already sold out.

>> No.63540221

Says who?

>> No.63540248


Why do amd shills spell it like this? Like, at least "poozen" has a pun embedded in, but covfefe?

>> No.63541066

>Why do amd shills spell it like this?
I just assumed that people who thought coffee lake was fucked up used covfefe because Trump's tweet was fucked up, too. So a hot mess for both.

>> No.63542165

>Le Zen is Sandy Bridge meme

Zen1 is at least on par with Ivy Bridge


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