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Coffee Lake has been released! Benchmarks / Reviews
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ (Search "Intel")


>Assemble a part list
>Example gaming builds and monitor suggestions; click on the title to see notes
>Learn how to build a PC (You can find a lot more detailed videos on channels like Bitwit)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g [Embed] [Embed]
>How to install Win7 on Ryzen

If you want help:
>State the budget & currency for your build
>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

>G4560/G4600 for non-gaming (light tasks) or bare minimum gaming builds with a dedicated graphics card
>R3 1200 - Budget builds (best with OC + fast RAM)
>i3 8100 - Better budget CPU; extra cost of the currently available Z mobos lessens the value of the CPU
>R5 1600 / i5 8400 - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs
>R7 / Used Xeon / Threadripper / i7 - Heavy Multi-Tasking / VM Work / Mixed use

>Check your Mobo's QVL before buying RAM or look for user reports
>Ryzen CPUs benefit a lot from high speed RAM; 3000-3200 MHz is ideal

>Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up (particularly Radeon)
>GTX 1050Ti and 3GB 1060 are the only reasonably priced cards; 6GB 1060 or 4GB 580 if you want to overpay a little
>GTX 1070 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match
>GTX 1070 / 1080 are standard choices; currently overpriced
>GTX 1080Ti if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match
>GTX 1080Ti

>Consider a 240GB or larger SSD.
>Consider a Wireless Network Adapter, 5Ghz is backward compatible with the more common 2.4 Ghz

Previous: >>63026079

>> No.63037519

I wouldn't buy a discounted PSU from a non retailer. is the situation in brazil so bad you literally can't find a seasonic anywher?

>> No.63037536

Any reason to buy a 4k monitor? Seems it would be better just to wait for reasonably priced ones with HDR, no?

>> No.63037570

only if you really need it. I think dual 1440p is the best choice now, for gaming and productivity

>> No.63037583

>Coffee Lake has been released!
I really wish there were see some actual signs of that. My current machine only passes 1 out of 4 boot attempts and I'm really I'm close to ordering a B350 Tomahawk + 1600X right now, but if the benchmarks of the Coffeelake are as good as the reviews say then I really want the 8600K. I'm running out of time though.

>> No.63037620

Is the 1070 the best for 120 Hz 1080p?

How about VR?

>> No.63037642

>Is the 1070 the best for 120 Hz 1080p?
the 1070 is overpowered for that. Look at an RX 580 or a 1060 6GB instead

>> No.63037644

It is a paper launch, you will have a very hard time finding a CPU.

>> No.63037658

how much should i try to ebay a used Sapphire R9 390 Nitro for? USD

>> No.63037678

Is there some indication of when actual processors are going to be coming out?

>> No.63037693

I'm starting to believe that too. Weren't the mobile processors supposed to be released in august already? I haven't seen one yet.

>> No.63037727

If I’m building a custom loop, does it matter if I go with the 1080 ftw or ftw2?

>> No.63037729

1300x, 1060 3gb and 2x4GB @3000MHz
1080p esport gayming and CPU intensive games (strategy, city building), dual monitor productivity
am I doing it right?

>> No.63037759

there are many estimations, but they are not based on actual data or facts. it will be available when it will be available.

my advise is this: unless you are playing on 1440p/144fps you will not see a huge difference between ryzen and coffee lake.

the 1300x is a factory OC'd 1200. if you are not afraid of overclocking you could save some money by ocing it yourself. Remember to check your motherboard ram QVL to insure you will get 3200Mhz. also avoid msi on am4 if you play to overclock due to poor VRM in all am4 msi boards

>> No.63037843

I was thinking of not overclocking this system, the price difference between 1200 and 1300x doesn't make for the price of a dependable cooler and I read the stock cooler is alright for a non-OC-ed system.

previously I had a computer with FX-8320, 2x4GB @1600 and R9 270. I should notice considerable improvement I hope

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im ready

>> No.63037867

it will be a massive difference

post pics when you build it

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will do

the rest of the parts for upgrade

>> No.63037896

Is 16:9 really for children or are you just trolling?

>> No.63037914

>you will not see a huge difference between ryzen and coffee lake.
I play games, but nothing that my current Q9550 can't still handle (extra will be nice though). What I really want the power for is mostly audio production. There aren't any benchmarks for that though, although it seems that in the graphics department the Ryzen is very competitive.

>> No.63037945

Holy fuck RAM is expensive or is that some special kind?

Haven't looked in on prices since I built my 6700K system.

>> No.63037959

you should check the am4 taichi by asrock. it has insane built in audio features apparently.

you should ask in the specific audio softwares forum if it is optmized to use multiple threads and core, if it is, a ryzen 1700 will outperform every single coffee lake cpu

there is NAND shortage. also phones using DDR4 now really kills the market because samsung literally can't keep up with demand

>> No.63037976

The stock ryzen cooler is adequate for a mild overclock I believe

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Is this good?

>> No.63038001

Found a preorder that says "estimated delivery: December"
Wouldn't bet on Coffee Lake to be widely available until after Christmas.

>> No.63038060

How future proof will the AM4 socket possibly be? Is there any info about that? It's hard to find specifics in AMD roadmap articles. Intel claims the cannon lake will be 1151 too, but of course that doesn't mean anything with the stunt they pulled with the 1151 and coffee lake.

>> No.63038087

Their next two upcoming chips, ryzen 2 and something I can't remember, will both be compatible with current am4 boards

>> No.63038110

By the way, why would anyone buy a ryzen CPU and then immediately upgrade the next year? The next CPU will barely have an improvement. Why waste more money, budgetniggers?

>> No.63038125

do you have any source on that?

>> No.63038161

AMD says they will support AM4 until Zen 3 in 2019 or 2020. They did not specifically say Zen 2 or 3 will run in current motherboards. They can't promise that as it's up to the motherboard manufacturers.
I wouldn't bet a dime on Zen 3 running on current motherboards, but it's still more likely than Intel supporting any socket for more than 2 generations.

>> No.63038192

Buy a regular chip now. Upgrade to the last best available chip once it's almost gone from the stores. It's what I've always done.

Last machine I started with a E6600 dual, then got one of the last Q9550's which has lasted me up to now. almost 10 years of service combined. So... who're you calling an upgrade nigger again? kek

>> No.63038193

How good is the u14s vs the d15s for the price? im going to upgrade from a 212 evo and i want to stick with airflow and silence as the main things. id get a d15 but i dont have the ram clearance unless i take one of the fans off

>> No.63038212

Everyone just says 2020, but I think they'll switch it only when ddr5 comes to market, which is expected around 2021-2022.

>> No.63038288

Only other anons here, probably a source somewhere

>> No.63038294

i am about to purchase an 1300x based budget gaming PC which i intend not to overclock, but after an upgrade to zen 2-3 high performance chip and OC that hard.
you are saying my mobo might not be compatible so would it be a good choice to get an A320 board?
ever shekels I can save brings me joy

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Has anyone here actually used the Deepcool Gammaxx 400 ( https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835856005 ) with their Ryzen CPU on a B350 motherboard like Logical Increments suggests? If so did you have any trouble mounting it? Not all places that sell it have it listed as AM4 compatible and a lot of user reviews seem to say it was hard to attach and required so much force it nearly broke their board while the reviews for the Noctua alternative are smooth sailing.

>> No.63038588

I want a PC with a 1080 Ti and a Coffee Lake CPU.

I'm stuck on the GPU, and RAM. I haven't put together a PC since 2006, so I'm stuck.

Does it matter what 1080 Ti I should get? Can I just get the cheapest?

I hate that I can't decide. I am getting this computer to play Star Citizen as comfortably as possible, but without going for the absolute top tier of all the models.

>> No.63038642

get the noctua. logical increments is merely a baseline

>> No.63038668

It's 3 times the price though, since I don't intend to do any overclocking it would be overkill.

>> No.63038692

Star citizen is a very demanding game, though saying that I think it's only going to become better optimized over time. I would go for the 1080ti variant with the most vrram, not sure of the numbers. As for ram, I'd think that 16gb should be sufficient, as long as it's a decent speed (3000mhz+)

>> No.63038701

then use the stock wraith cooler. its made by cooler master I think. its pretty gud

better wait for star citizen to have a release date before spending 1500$+ for a machine to play it. that game is the king of shifting goal posts, I remember when it was just announced people were wondering if the 780ti will be enough.

anyway, there is not a big difference between 3rd party vendors. get what ever is in stock. make sure to check your case dimensions since those cards are fucking massive

>> No.63038735

I have an 800D lying around, and yes, I have considered waiting until the game is nearing completion. But I've hit a snag, my power supply is no longer working, so I was thinking I'd maybe go all in now.

>most vrram
>3000mhz+ RAM
Got it. Does the brand matter in this case? There's a lot of price difference but not a lot of discernible differences in many cases.

>> No.63038739

The 1600X comes without a stock cooler. Figured I would want that one if I don't want to fiddle with OC-ing a regular 1600 myself.

>> No.63038760

just to clear things up, there is no such thing as the 1080ti with the most vram, that poster is a /v/ retard. they all have 11gb. also you don't need 3000mhz ram with an intel cpu, complete waste of money. 2400 is enough.

how much do you want to spend on a cooler, ill try to find you something

>> No.63038776

I'd say no more than 30 euros.

>> No.63038805

Looking for an entry build to pc gaymen at a reasonable price incase I don't like it and haven't blown a wad.

Been looking into it a while anyway and came up with this for 1080p high/ultra 60-75hz gaymen. Rate it please or advise.


>> No.63038814

I'm not a /v/ retard, just a poorfag who doesn't window shop at cards I can't afford

>> No.63038816


this is what I am personally using. my 4670 hits 100% load and never goes above 64c

I think you will need to buy a bracket for am4, even though pcpartpicker says its compatible

>> No.63038858

Thanks for the suggestion I'll look into it.

>> No.63038868

don't give bad advice if you have no idea how things work then, no need to mislead people who are spending thousands of dollars when you have no idea how a thing as basic as vram works


edits are personal taste, i don't like the cheap corsair CWT Chinese sweat shop PSU or the voltage regulators on the entire msi am4 lineup.

need to check ram qvl. asrock isn't as picky but you still need to check

>> No.63038880

How do you go about picking your GPUs? I'm shopping for a 1080 now and I'm unsure which to pick. I'm not sure what actual specs I should be comparing and what is just marketing bullshit.

Looking to buy off Amazon since I get 10% cash back. They have ASUS, MSI, EVGA, Gigabyte, and Zotac with various models of each.

>> No.63038901

Thanks anon. What are makes I should avoid in general when it comes to parts?

>> No.63038902

the things to check is mostly the cooling of the internal parts. this is what caused the entire evga 10xx lineup to explode, poor vrm cooling. basically buy what ever is in stock, as long as it isnt an old evga card. some cards come factory overclocked which might be a bonus if you don't want to do it yourself

>> No.63038932

What makes the MSI AM4 boards so bad in your opinion? I came across this video stating the opposite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGrxhf_xZWI Skip to 25:55 for the short conclusion. Not saying this guy's opinion is gospel of course.

>> No.63038949

I'm not misleading anyone, and what does my understanding of vram have to do with anything? As a matter of fact, I had a hunch that the 1080ti was only available in one variant, I wasn't 100% sure so just told him to take one with higer vram there was a lower model.

It's not a big deal, I was just trying to give advice about a game that is notoriously a pain to run. No need to be a dick.

>> No.63038951

Looks good

>calls another poster a /v/tard
>thinks fast RAM doesn't help Intel CPUs
You might be tard, because fast RAM (3000+) helps Intel CPUs as long as you have the Z chipset. Otherwise you want the fastest RAM that the CPU natively works with. For the i3 8100 it's 2400; for the i5 8400 it's 2666.

>> No.63038975

*if there was a lower model

>> No.63038983

After several days of deliberations, this is the result I've come to following the input from these threads. Is there anything left to change before I buy everything? Depending on what everything else ends up costing after taxes and shipping, I might wait until later to buy an SSD.

>> No.63039017

Fucking ASUS mobo from newegg fried. Went through ASUS tech support and narrowed it down to literally just the mobo.

I'm a brit so despite buying less than a month ago, its outside its 15 day returns, and manufacturer's warranty.

Who the fuck do I push RMA through, ASUS or Newegg?

>> No.63039018


>how do you go about picking your GPUs

I picked mine because it was the cheapest EVGA 1080 SC that I could find. I had 6 fans in my case so cooling wasn't an issue.

If I had to buy again though, there are a few different things like cooling design (fans, heatsink, sensors, etc), color, RGB/etc, and whether or not I'd like to disassemble the card for a custom loop down the line.

You've got simple cards like the EVGA iCX which are pretty plain/ugly/boring but get the job done, or you can go for something like a STRIX which is an RGB fest or if you're building in a small case, the blower fan of a founder's edition would help pump air out rather than bring in heated air.

>> No.63039019

avoid corsair psus. avoid evga psus that are not named super. always check when you buy ram who is the actual maker of the ram. corsair gskill etc don't make ram. they buy it from samsung, micron, and hynix. this is also the descending order of ram quality. if you are struggling to find proper ram just go to a motherboard QVL page and copy paste the model serial followed by amazon,newegg etc


for example if I wanted that 3600mhz gskill ill just search F4-3600C17Q-64GTZ amazon. etc

they simple have poor Chinese mosfets while the competition in the am4 lineup uses high quality texas instruments mosfets

sorry didn't mean to offend you

the diminishing returns between 2666 and 3000 on an intel cpu makes it not worth it IMO to waste money on, especially with current ram prices

its better to first buy an ssd and then waiting to buy a disk drive. so you won't have the hassle of moving your OS around. id buy a different board and a different psu. evga uses multiple OEMS for their psu lineup and that one is not one of the good ones. for board suggestions read the thread

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>> No.63039079

Thank you, you sweet sweet fuck. Warranties are a bloody nightmare

>> No.63039090

post results when they try to jerk you around

>> No.63039097

Are Cougar VTX psu's any good?

>> No.63039109

Very helpful, I'll keep that in mind.

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Faster than you think

>> No.63039158

their website says they use high quality mosfets, but don't specificity who they buy them from. maybe check the online manual to see who is their supplier

>> No.63039175

Rough going m8

>> No.63039176


try to rma via newegg

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prices are without taxes, multiple by 1.2
final price is at the end

>> No.63039332

I like it. but wait for cheaper motherboards. you will end up overpaying for features you won't be using. wait for the H lineup

>> No.63039371

I really wantto build a computer for my little brother to stream lol and overwatch

this is the rig. Is it good


do you think i can build it before his birthday on november 13?

>> No.63039375

I wanned mATX B360 but googling and some articles claim they wont even come this year
thats also why case is only blank 50€

it will be girly PC for sims and general use

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>> No.63039397

You must be trolling.

>> No.63039411

fix it, start with cpu
$300 for i7-6700 is terrible

>> No.63039415

you should invest some (a lot) more into GPU

>> No.63039428

The memory QVL lists are so small for the MSI AM4 B350 boards and even more so for the ASRock AB350 Pro4. Logical Increments recommends 8 and 16 GB of 3000 MHz Corsair Vengeance LPX. Do those work at their intended speeds even if they are not on the QVL list?

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Vega 64 Limited Edition for 570€ after shipping.
Worth it or not?
A 1080 is 600€ and a 1080TI is 760-800€ in my country.

I have a FreeSync monitor by the way (2560x1080 144hz).

Please respond, stock is limited but I also don't want to get memed and get poo in the GPU.

>> No.63039449

dont know if its not on the qvl

>> No.63039466

he said brother is playing overwatch and lol
he should not overdo it

>> No.63039478

I'm just wondering if there's anyone here that tested them or uses them themselves.

>> No.63039487

Is this any good? I want to play video games and have this thing last me a long time.
Only have one fan listed there since I'll just salvage the one out of my current computer and also use that, but would that be enough for cooling?

>> No.63039501

you can save loads of money by going with ryzen. 1300x and some cheap motherboard.

>> No.63039522

Sent an email.
If ASUS can't recognise the serial then I can very much assume this is doubly newegg's fault.

Also, there wasn't a warranty information card/pamphlet in the damned box.

>> No.63039548

>look for user reports
Or check RyMem

>> No.63039553

>Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO
get cryorig h7

are you seriously going budget cpu while going for 2x gtx1070?
also do not get two gpus
its dead, get single powerful gpu - gtx1080ti is better and without multitude of issues
and get m.2 ssd
and you can cut on the mobo if not going sli

>> No.63039593

That's Mondays for you. Full of absolute shite. Good luck anyway.

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>> No.63039636

I have the m9i on my 8400 and even that is overkill.

>> No.63039646

how much is a 1070 in ur country

>> No.63039672

Get the m9i, dont spend 45 on a cooler, its a waste of money. Get the cheapest mobo you can find, there is an msi one for 130 that supports sli

>> No.63039682

430 to 500€ depending on model or if refurbished.
Is the 1070 even good enough for 144hz? I don't think so.

>> No.63039683

how did you come up to that conclusion?

I have cryrig h7 on 6600k at 4.4ghz and gaming temps can get 75°C
also on my 1700 build I have hyper 212+ and had to change fan cuz loud as fuck
h7 is dead silent and its size allows it to fit in to mATX cases too, plus never ram blocake... its really no question if its only few $ away

>> No.63039700

buy a 1070 / 1080

>> No.63039711

I cannot get the 8400 hot with the m9i in prime95 and intel burn test, so to pay more is pointless. The 8400 is locked, paying almost 50 dollars for a cooler is stupid.

>> No.63039764

What's the best CPU for a home server PC? Its going to be running a web server and a nas predominantly. I'm thinking it might be safer to run the two separate from each other or in vms so that if the web server is compromised the nas will still be fine. Nas will be purely local. I'm think a 1200 should be fine but idk

>> No.63039766

Seasonic Focus really that good? I was planning on grabbing corsair AX760 since I like the looks and build quality but 850fx sounds like better bang for buck.

>> No.63039792

Should I wait for 1070TI then? 1070 seems not powerful enough for 144hz gaming.

>> No.63039797

Go with a poverty R3 1200 build.

>> No.63039803

Upgrade to ryzen or coffee from sandy or get a 1080 ti?

>> No.63039804

cheaper 1080 basically

>> No.63039807

Every time i move my mouse around "client server runtime process" spikes 5% and i can hear the shit through my headphones. would a dedicated soundcard fix this? is there some usb device i can plug my headphones into so i dont have to use up a pcie slot?

>> No.63039868

1080ti and upgrade later

>> No.63039886

Thank you on the heatsink suggestion. Also fuck, I didn't realize how shitty my ram was so I swapped that out. So this is better?
I'm choosing that specific GPU as I can get a discount on it at work. Would it be worth getting a motherboard that supports SLI if I decide the upgrade the CPU later down the road? Or should I just use my remaining ~$250 on a better CPU now? I'm more familiar with AMD CPUs so I'm not sure which i5/i7 would be best to choose.

>> No.63039938

Im telling you dude the m7 is pointless on the 8400. I own the 8400 and i know its thermals, you dont need a 45 dollar cooler its a waste.

>> No.63039969

>I own the 8400
How did you get it?

>> No.63040000

I swapped it out for an M9i then. How's your 8400 treating you anyway? Should I go with it or should I go with something a little more powerful since I have about ~$200-250CA left in my budget?

>> No.63040042

It's very good but not as good as the AX.
Unless you are going multi-GPU or HEDT you don't need that much wattage. You can easily manage with 550-650.

>> No.63040051


Guys how much of a shit is this build? I have 1.1k budget, excluding newfag headphones

>> No.63040062

>What's the best CPU for a home server PC?
Embedded. Power draw becomes really important when it never turns off.

>> No.63040080

like 8 shit

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Is memory specifically created for a CPU (like Flarex for AMD) worth the extra cash, or is it marketing? It's more expensive than the generic memory with the same specs, so what could be the advantage worth the extra $?

>> No.63040115


What can I make better then?

>> No.63040116

as long as the memory is on the QVL list for the motherboard. or the motherboard is on the QVL list for the memory(lol) then you should be fine.

>> No.63040129

so 1400 budget including peripherals. let me see if I can unshit this build

>> No.63040132

Least expensive most bang for buck used xeon?

>> No.63040138

start with 16gb of ram

>> No.63040165


any suggestions?


Thanks anon

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>> No.63040192

5ghz 8700k + volta's 1180ti, multiple ssd/hdd. Figured 700w range would leave me good headroom, but saw for 10$ more I could get the seasonic 850w. I don't see any AX series lower than 760 available.

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>> No.63040282

go for i5 8600k
even not overclocking will yeld some gains when more cores need to be taxed as non-turbo frequency on 8400 is laughable 2.8ghz while 8600k has it at 3.6ghz

turbo is 4ghz but it goes there only if 1 or 2 cores are in use I think

and consider you can OC 8600k to 5ghz with excelent colling and at least to ~4.7 with average cooling... the difference is nothing to laugh at and you will be taking overclocking capable mobo anyway

>> No.63040284


literally can't find any 3000-3200 mhz memory that is qvl and under 300 dollarydoos

fucking ram prices man what the fugg

if you decide to go with ryzen you can try to break yourself upon this list


>> No.63040291

Which EVGA 1080 would you choose?

>1080 SC2 for $550
>1080 FTW for $580
>1080 FTW2 for $600
>1080 FTW Hybrid for $600

>> No.63040301

Don't know about him, but I bought mine just fine the day after launch. They were still in stock everywhere, as nobody had noticed how good they are at that point and were worrying about the 8700K.

>> No.63040313

I would choose a brand that knows how cooling works.

how can you buy any product from a company that forgot to include VRM heatsinks in its flagship product? how can you ever trust such an inept company

>> No.63040330

also return to h7
fuck 92mm fans, it will be noisier
$15 canadians dollars is nothing, 120mm fan is way to go, even if overkil for 8400 it means quietness

>> No.63040332

99% chance he bought it off the internet, like almost everyone else who owns one.

Needs SSD. What's your monitor? Unless you have 1440p 144Hz or 4K that 1080Ti is stupid

Read the OP, retard.

Get 3000MHz RAM
Don't SLI. What's your monitor?

At those prices either the Vega 64 or 1080Ti
Personally I'd say 1080Ti if you can afford it

Yeah the Corsair works, just check for user reports.

>> No.63040333

I wanna add a small HDD (around 120GB) for messing around with OSs. Like, keeping my SSD for windows and having an HDD with android and some Linux versions for messing around with. What should I look into/ research to do this?

>> No.63040344

Thank you so much anon. So with my two fans and heatsink I could go up to 4.7 no problem, right?

>> No.63040346

I would never go for evga
they are shit tier with track record to prove it
go MSI or gigabyte

>> No.63040351

Impossible to judge a card that isn't released, but an 8700K and 1080ti both fully OCed both pull a combined 450W, roughly. Even giving extra headroom for other components you'd be perfectly happy with a 650W PSU.

>> No.63040361

you should download this program called virtualbox and assign it 120gb of your harddrive to mess around with OSs

>> No.63040362

I can't afford the 1080TI.
600€ is already the maximum I can spend, and I'm only considering the Vega 64 because it was my birthday last week and my father gave me 150€ as a gift. Otherwise I would have bought a 1070.

>> No.63040364

Don't they have good warranty support though?

>> No.63040388

Is the 980x still worth buying?

>> No.63040394

reviews I saw got to 5ghz no problem but with closed loop cooling and some did dellid

4.7 seems like should be comfortable point but we dont really have that much data. just consider that 8400 can do 1 core at 4ghz and all cores at 2.6
with OCed 8600k you got 99.9999% guarantee that 4.5ghz on all 6 cores is dead certain with h7/ 212 evo level of heatsink

>> No.63040409

>falling for the marketing buzzwords

best RMA support is a company that won't forget to include fucking heat sinks on a compoent that can easily achieve 80 degrees c.

also the so called support is only relevant in clapistan, when the retailer won't rma for you.

you can RMA with every gpu that sells in the USA. evga isnt different in any way from any other company in that regard

>> No.63040439

they had like 5 years ago
no more lifetime warranty for quite some time
they are bit better than average I guess, but nothing special, not anymore

>> No.63040468

Yes, but not for the price. Either dig deep for a deal, or wait.

>> No.63040477

What do you think about ASUS? Their cards have 2 HDMI which would be nice for my needs.

>> No.63040495

asus knows the importance of cooling hot components. that makes them infinitely better than EVGA

>> No.63040512

It was avaible for back order 2 weeks ago on amazon. Ive had the cpu for about 11 days now

>> No.63040535

>Needs SSD. What's your monitor? Unless you have 1440p 144Hz or 4K that 1080Ti is stupid
I'll get an SSD down the road. I'm just getting that for the superior GB per dollar rate. I noticed the RAM issue so I fixed it in >>63039886.

And I forgot to bring monitors into consideration. I'm not at home so I can't give you my exact model but it's an older LG one (definitely not 1440p/144Hz), but I was going to use that as a secondary monitor once I get a new one. Which monitor would you recommend? If I go with a 8400k I would have about $200 left in my budget, though I don't mind pulling out an extra ~$50-100 or so for one.

>> No.63040537

for nvidia they are good, they had fuck ups with amd when they tried to repurpose heatsinks that did not fit all heatpipes well

this hints like they kinda dont give a fuck plus they are expensive, at least here in eu

gigabyte were recently my go-to, MSI Gaming is what I would go for if not looking at money

>> No.63040539

Bryan is such a jew to delid and aio water cooler when 99.5% of us aint doin that shit

>> No.63040545

its always better to go for the SSD first. so you won't have to move the os around later

>> No.63040612

note that the PCB on the MSI gaming and the MSI armor(cheaper) is identical. the only difference is lack of a backplate, and that the msi armor lineup uses the 980ti cooler design instead of the new one. which is still great btw

>> No.63040622

About £1000-1200
Gaming, on a 1440p, 144hz monitor with FreeSync.

I mainly play eSports titles, so I don't really play anything demanding

>> No.63040639

>Gaming on 1440p 144hz WITH freesync
>lol but I don't play anything demanding
What are you messing around with us for

>> No.63040691

shit, didn't finish my post...
However I would like a more future proof computer, and do play the occasional high end title but get shitty framerates, which is probably the reason I don't play the more demanding games. I get around 30fps on PUBG on medium atm lol

>> No.63040692

Guess I'll get the ASUS. It comes with Assassin's Creed Origins which I can sell for a bit also. Might get it down to $500 after that and the rebate.

>> No.63040693


Is G skills a good manufacturer?
Also is samsung worth going down from 275gb to 250gb?

Thanks, but the other anon suggested a RAM with 3200 MHz

Looks like I might be using 2 8 Gb cards

>> No.63040748

g.skill doesn't manufacturer ram. very few company do. you can check in their website specs to see who actually made the ram.

pro tip, there are only 4 makers of ram in the world. micron (who is better known as crucial) samsung, hynix, and toshiba

>> No.63040780

oh I just remembered that Intel bought the micron factory in Israel. but I think the ram the memory they make there is for their SSDS and stuff

>> No.63040810

is Asus LLC confirmed fixed on strix lineup? Was planning on getting z370-f. I see they put out bios update for it, but no confirmed tests to see if it's good now

>> No.63040827

its fixed on the higher end stuff. no planned update for the lower end. but you better ask some owners before you buy anything

>> No.63040833
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Look at what got delivered today

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>> No.63040842

Check builds in OP. If you're never playing anything demanding you can get away with the 6GB 1060 or 4GB 580

You need to plan your build around your monitor.
If you can't afford it you need to drop down from the 1080Ti. Look through the OP builds until you find something that's close to your budget

Depends on your monitor especially

1070 is fine for 1440p 144Hz monitors

>strategy, city building
Consider the R5 1600. R3 1200/1300X is fine though

Check sold listings, like anyone who knows how to use eBay

1070 is fine if you have a 120Hz monitor

>> No.63040862

record the delid

>> No.63040893

1080 ti FE
8 GB ram

What to do first? 8700k + 16GB RAM or change the FE to a non-reference?
Got the dosh for one of these/month

>> No.63040897

delid it now and post broken pictures

>> No.63040901

What is the best 21:9 monitor under $200.

Is it even worth getting?

>> No.63040909


>> No.63040920
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you should not be in a hurry, wait 3 months
invest elsewhere, in to speakers or keyboard or monitor or some shit

>> No.63040922

why change anything? what game could you possibly struggle with?

>> No.63040945

I'd wait for new shit to come out unless you really need HT or something but then you wouldn't have asked

>> No.63040999

Already have mid/top range headphones, a meme mechanical keyboard, and a 1440p 144hz g-sync monitor.
It might seem dumb but I like having top of the line shit when it comes to gayman. I like this little hobby and It's not like I don't have dosh for anything else. Just have a reasonably sizeable monthly budget for tech-stuff.

>> No.63041007

What is the best speaker for around $50-$100?
My audiofag brother recommended the Edifier M3200

>> No.63041023

its a complete waste though. it isn't even an upgrade. you will see no difference with upgrading right now to any cpu. wait for 10nm and for 1180ti or what ever it will be called

>> No.63041024

8700k then

>> No.63041046


>> No.63041098

Had the opportunity to check it out a couple of times, while cool I didn't find it a have-to-get gimmick. Maybe later when the amount of titles explodes (if at all).
Well then RAM first and wait for new shit to drop.

Thanks for the replies and sorry for blogposting.

>> No.63041105

"New" gpu (R9 270x DirectCU II Asus) works fine on old motherboard (P7P55M) but doesnt boot in new motherboard (AB350 Gaming 3)
When I plug in older GPU it instantly boots

Any ideas what the fuck is wrong?

(yes power cables are in, I already tried switching pci slots)

>> No.63041132
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sorry, there are not exactly audiophils who spend 50-100 on plastic shit to judget their quality and want to be knowledgable in that tier

generally the recommendation around 100 as entry level audio is getting micca mb42x and then scrape on some small amp, usualy Lepy LP-2020A, if bit more budget for something better then SMSL SA-36 or 60

better deals can be found on craiglist and ebay or whatever used site your country have, look for wharfedale they tend to have good price used

>> No.63041175

tried updating the bios?

>> No.63041177

Fair enough. Thanks.

>> No.63041198

no, it keeps telling me updating bios is dangerous so I'd rather not unless I have to

is there an incompatibility with the earlier bios versions or something?

>> No.63041206

Do you work like this? Don't you have to hunch down to that (pretty small) display? And why shine the lamp right onto it?

>> No.63041210

>I remember when it was just announced people were wondering if the 780ti will be enough
That's the sole reason I got my 780Ti, everything else I played at the time it was overkill for.
And it's jittery now, here's hoping Navi / 1180Ti is good enough for it on (maybe) release date.

>> No.63041227

What's your monitor?

>> No.63041235
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The box itself is mostly empty
only a manual and the CPU
idk what they use for glue for those stickers but I torn up the manual a little trying to peel it off

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the IHS glue can be easily identified

>> No.63041279


This here as the main gayman + a regular old dell as an auxillary on the side

>> No.63041293
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Will one 16gb DDR4 2666mhz CL16 stick (HyperX Fury) be a bottleneck for a i5-8400?

Should I get a higher frequency?

>> No.63041313

With an older W10 build I'm coming into issues where I want to reinstall Windows. W10 has built-in utilities to do this (reset Windows). I'm running into an error where it doesn't want to reset and doesn't give me an error, it just says that "no changes were made"

Instead of messing around with why its not letting me reset, does DBAN-ing the disk and fresh installing W10 make sense?

>> No.63041349
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>>Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up (particularly Radeon)
I don't feel like overpaying, so when are the next GPU generations supposed to come out? Does Vega count as an actual generation or is it simply a mistake AMD will never mention again?

>> No.63041382

Volta is early 2018 based on current information.

>> No.63041386

it? what is telling you that? upgrading bios is necessary on the am4 platform because of how bad the initial bios was for all boards

>> No.63041422
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My 980 Ti handles VR in demanding games just fine. You have to lower a few settings, but you will hardly care once you start moving. You can max out less demanding games like dirt rally without a problem.

>> No.63041479

Thanks. Does Nvidia release the entire lineup at the same time, or is it the overpriced high-end stuff first? Is AMD planning to release cheaper Vega versions to keep some kind of competition going?

>> No.63041509

it's overpriced founders edition(early adopter tax) with poor pcb and cooling first

>> No.63041515

Generally X80 first followed by X70 in a month or so followed by X60 in a month.

>> No.63041529

Thanks, guess I'll be picking up a 1050 ti setup on black friday in that case

>> No.63041538

>max out
looks shit wot. like ps2 level shit. worse than phones

>> No.63041570

You don't remember what PS2 games looked like if you think that looks like a PS2 game.

>> No.63041610

e-everywhere I look it warns about it

>check bios now
>it's already version F7
>update is only three months further
getting more worried by the minute that thsi wont even do anything

>> No.63041661

Not really, but if you are buying a z370 faster ram is worth it.

>> No.63041694

you board has dual bios
you would need to really go out of your way to brick it

>> No.63041700


>> No.63041771

Just OC it.

>> No.63041825

What should I change?
For medium gaming

>> No.63041885

Id spend a litle more and get the i5 if you can

>> No.63041889

wait for cheaper motherboards

>> No.63041891

This has probably been asked a lot but here it goes: Will a i5 6600k (not overclocked) bottleneck a gtx 1080 / 1080 ti? I'm looking to upgrade from my 960.

>> No.63041911


>> No.63041912

updated bios, exact same happens
lights above GPU power connectors are green
GPU fans are spinning
the "VGA" light keeps burning indicating theres something wrong with it

I'm guessing installing drivers wont do anything

>> No.63041937

In that case you should get the 8400 + another 8GB of RAM

3000MHz RAM
Get a used monitor; those 1080p 60Hz are a dime a dozen

Monitor res + refresh rate?

>> No.63041950

I have a 1080p 144hz monitor right now, but I'm also looking at upgrading to a 1440p one soon

>> No.63041989

did you DDU the system? maybe the old drivers are conflicting

>> No.63042000

At 1440p no; at 1080p 144Hz sometimes but not often and not severely

>> No.63042003

If you want freesync, then yeah that's a decent deal in light of its competition

>> No.63042020

Does faster RAM really do much?

>> No.63042068

I formatted the drive through the windows installer
I assumed you wouldnt need GPU drivers to boot which is why I assumed installing drivers would be useless

>> No.63042109

you don't need the drivers to boot. maybe try asking in the forums card/board

>> No.63042147

I want 16gb of ram, whats the difference in going 2 8gb cards vs 4 4gb cards

>> No.63042169
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>Be me 2 moths ago
>Finished building my first PC
>I forgot to do proper cable management
>A cable blocked the CPU cooler fan because it blocked physically the CPU fan blade
>For some reason I just found out while playing a really CPU demanding game because it hit 90 °C
>Spend the whole morning freaking out thinking I just fucked up my CPU fan and my CPU

Now I'm relaxed because I read that if the CPU didn't shut itself down there is no permanent damage, and the CPU fan is working fine too. I guess my system fan and the CPU cooler heat shield was enough to keep my CPU alive.

>> No.63042173

entered a gaming PC giveaway.
This is the prize. Thoughts?

>> No.63042185

Housefire PSU but who cares it's free?

>> No.63042213

For i9/threadripper, is it possible to modify the dual core boost clock?

>> No.63042231


>> No.63042237

having you pc stuffed full of cables will nullify a lot of the air flow provided by your case fans. you're very lucky

>> No.63042256

Damn that sucks

>> No.63042267
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My PC case is huge as fuck, is a Carbide 100R. And I did some cable management with the longer cables, but I just forgot to tie the shorter cables to longer ones. Pic related is my huge case.

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Here's my build
>Mobo: Asus LGA 1151 mAtx Z170M Plus
>Cpu: i5-8400
>Cooler: Thermaltake Riing Silent 12cm
>GPU: Galax gtx 1060 OC 6GB
>RAM: One 16gb DDR4 2666mHz 16CL stick (Kingston Hyperx Fury)
Storage: 480gb SSD Sandisk Plus - read:535MB/s write:445MB/s
>Power Supply: Corsair 600w 80 plus
>Bonus: USB 3.0 Expansion Card Adapter Wireless Card Adapter (both pci-e)

I'm aiming for a mid-end build for gaming in max graphic config in full HD, watching chinese cartoons in H.265 and fapping for 60fps full HD JAV porn. Hardware in my country is overpriced, so it's useless to disclose budget. Thoughts?

>> No.63042286

is faster RAM really a good choice? what does it do

>> No.63042304

>>Mobo: Asus LGA 1151 mAtx Z170M Plus
>>Cpu: i5-8400
this will not work. the Coffee lake CPUs are not compatible with Z100 or Z200 series motherboards.

>> No.63042321

Depends on the game
Since you'll have the RAM for a while (even after you upgrade CPU if you stay on that mobo) you should get good stuff; also it's insurance for a cheaper CPU

>> No.63042333

Best mobo for ryzen 1600?

>> No.63042336

Depends on your CPU. It makes a MUCH bigger difference on AMD Ryzen CPUs due to their unique architecture

>> No.63042370

here's the giveaway if anyone cares.

>> No.63042371

My advice: Skip 1440p, go directly for 4k if you're considering a new monitor.

I went from 1080s to 1440p and now 4k's. 1440p's are already outdated, it was some kind of in-between stop-gap tech before 4k panels got cheap and widely available. They weren't before this summer but they are now and if they still aren't in your area then they will be soon.

Don't waste money on 1080p or 1440p now, you'll want to replace them pretty soon. I would have agreed upon 1440 as the obvious choice just a year ago. Now 4k and VA and IPS panels are basically at or even below where 1440ps where when I took that step.

>> No.63042407

Find one of those 120 dollar z370s since that one wont work. If you have to have a mAtx you may be fucked i dont know if there are anny

>> No.63042438

Form factor?
ASRock has the best VRM and MSI the worst. If you aren't OCing it won't matter much.

>> No.63042456

OP's pretty misleading, don't know why. Swedish resellers have confirmed December 12th for Coffee Lake - except the i3's which are currently available and in stock. The rest of the line-up is just a paper launch with a few early samples for reviewers.

It's nice to know that 8600k's are coming and it's nice that I managed to get two different local re-sellers to actually confirm the (local) real-world launch date.

A tip of you are thinking of buying the 1600X+B350 and you can't wait: Look around at all the retailers before buying the 1600X or the motherboard for that matter. All the Ryzen X's are currently on sale and a few of the others (1500) are too. I'm guessing you can save some pocket change just buy looking around.

>> No.63042459

>MSI the worst
not on B350 boards. The MSI B350 Gaming Pro Carbon and B350 Krait have the best available VRMs on B350 boards

>> No.63042486

Will I be able to keep reasonable temps @ 3.8ghz with a Ryzen 1600x and a 130W TDP cooler (be quiet shadow rock LP)

>> No.63042519

This is the build BTW.


I already own everything but the CPU,HSF,Case and Mobo, which is why those ones are suboptimal.

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Oh shit. I've neglected my research on chipsets. You saved me.

There's no Z370 mATX mobos being sold in the online shops, here.
Gotta go with LGA 1151 ATX Z370 GAMING PLUS DDR4 and ditch the usb expansion card.
This build costs 1,500USD in this shithole.

>> No.63042555

Carbide 200R*

>> No.63042581

it's the same socket but they had to change the chipset to accommodate for the power requirement of 6 cores. And the Z370 chipset is a stopgap since they plan to release Z390 around March which will support 8C/16T

Honestly, your best bet on Intel right now is to Just Wait (TM)

>> No.63042596


any suggestions on monitor?

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>ryzen 2
>1180 Ti


>> No.63042702
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What's the highest i can safely go on a 1600 with the stock cooler?

>> No.63042748

so I put my pc together and my mouse is kinda jumpy. the more usb devices are plugged in, the jumpier it becomes.
Is this a common issue and does it have a common fix like overvolting or undervolting.

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I think I'll wait for a compatible mATX to arrive here, since it will be more affordable. That MSI Gaming Plus mobo costs double the amount I'd reserved for it.
Your insights were very helpful. Thanks.

>> No.63042763


>> No.63042765

>msi gaming plus
Do they not have msi a-pro available in your country?

>> No.63042863


>> No.63042905

what do you mean "card/board"
like look for forums dedicated to my mobo/gpu? do those even exist?

>> No.63042927

>case supports 280mm radiator (up to 360mm with ODD removed)
>cooler advertised as 280mm
>radiator dimensions 312mm

Um, so, is it 280mm or 312mm and would it fit in the case without removing the ODD?

case: http://www.phanteks.com/Enthoo-Pro-M-TemperedGlass.html
cooler: https://www.pccasegear.com/products/35145/corsair-hydro-series-h115i-280mm-liquid-cpu-cooler

>> No.63042934

is it plugged into the motherboard or case usb?

>> No.63042960

yeah, support forums. sorry I was writing too fast and didn't notice the errors.

>> No.63042979

What's the consensus on AM4 B350 boards? Which ones are the best while also costing a good price?
Looking to buy a Asrock AB350M.
Is it any good?

>> No.63043012
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or you could bite the bullet and get a comparable AMD Ryzen system today.

It's what all the cool kids are doing!

>> No.63043013

as long as you are not looking to overlock too much. while every ryzen cpu is unlocked, the x370 is the oc platform.

you should first choose a ram and then try to find a qvl board for it for am4, considering how picky the boards are and the fact that ryzen really needs high speed ram

>> No.63043052

>getting Poo in the CPU

>> No.63043061

Is water cooling a meme?

>> No.63043086

yes. noctua make cpu coolers that run cooler than an AIO and also run very quiet.

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>mad about AMD being back
Why the fuck do you think Intel added cores to Kaby Lake and called it Coffee Lake? Ryzen scared the everliving shit out of them

>> No.63043136

When I try to use my RAM's XMP profile, my computer won't boot. Default 2133MHz works fine though, through several tests and what not.

Is my motherboard broken or the RAM?

Motherboard is EVGA Z170 Stinger and RAM is Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000MHz 2x8GB...

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>> No.63043156

try 2933 and not 3066?

>> No.63043168

who makes evga's motherboards? who do they license from?

>> No.63043258

That asrock board is one of the most recommended ones here. I built a system with it and my old complaint is the ethernet jack seems to be a little tight and once the cable is in there it seems near impossible to get out. Overclocks fairly well though

>> No.63043282

When I tried anything other than the default clock it wouldn't boot.

>> No.63043306

Update bios?

>> No.63043325

So, the GPU of my ~6 year old build finally died and it's time for me to upgrade the whole system, but that won't be in some time and I'd still like to play some vidya at 1080 60fps. What would be good budget temporary option? The card that died was a 7970 GHz and my 2500k is still doing fine.

Right now I'm considering the 1050 Ti.

>> No.63043326

did you check to see if the ram is qualified for that motherboard? corsair uses a variety of ram on their products. including sweatshop tier ram by hynix

>> No.63043351

that cpu is a trooper. id keep that. get a 1050ti and buy a used 1080/1080ti when volta comes out and the nvidia whales sell their old stuff

>> No.63043363

1050ti would be an good choice especially if it's temporary and you plan to upgrade in the next year.
What games do you play?

>> No.63043367

You can tell that the i7 demo has additional AA and better shadow settings. Not to mention that the rest of the systems specifications aren't disclosed. The i7 build could have been using intentionally gimped components to force bottlenecking and other issues. There are better tests you can use, and they all point to Kaby Lake being equal if not superior to the Ryzen series. Intel added cores because they wanted to, not because of competition from AMD.

>> No.63043374

I wound't care about "AM4 futureproof" if you're considering anything but some low-end Ryzen like the R3 1200. It'll be a non-issue.

I've owned many AMD systems in my time, still do. Socket A was around for a long time, so was AM3. The CPUs I bought with those boards were never replaced. If you buy say a R7 1700 now then it's ludicrous to think you'll want to pay just as much for a next-gen R7 1700v2 which runs perhaps 200 Mhz higher than the one you have. That's a whole lot of money for close to zero additional performance.

With RAM prices being what they are and DDR5 announced.. I'm honestly more concerned with now long DDR4 will be around since 32 GB DDR4 costs about as much as motherboard+CPU.

>> No.63043398

>unique architecture
The fuck is this marketing speak

At monitor sizes and viewing distances, 1440p is enough

>OP's pretty misleading, don't know why
Most anons on /g/ are in NA, so not misleading at all

Swap to the m.2 form factor for boot disk
That monitor isn't great.. only 60Hz and small. A 25" at that ratio will be really short. If you want UW you'll have to spend $400 to get anything decent

Might want to update BIOS

Get a GTX 1060. 2500K won't bottleneck it

>> No.63043411

>You can tell that the i7 demo has additional AA and better shadow settings.
They were run at identical settings.
This was NOT a gaming benchmark. This was a benchmark for streaming while gaming.

>> No.63043431

Okay, was able to ninja an 8700k off tigerdirect (lol), anyone hear confirmation on Asus boards LLC (voltage) issue being fixed with their bios update on the 20th? Don't want to pull trigger on board I can't overclock

>> No.63043440

BIOS are up to date.

The part number is listed in the supported RAM page for the motherboard on EVGA's website.

Does that mean I just got bad RAM?

>> No.63043466

maybe. bad ram or bad mamaboard. if you have a friend who has a ddr4 machine you can always try to trouble shoot like that. try your ram on his machine and try his ram on your machine

>> No.63043481

>What games do you play?
Nothing that the 7970 couldn't handle.

>> No.63043487

>What would be good budget temporary option?

Buy a re-certified/refurbished GPU.

Can sometimes find them ~30-50% cheaper than new.

>> No.63043528

>amd is back
Amd is back with another mediocre product that is still years behind in single thread performance and only has the advantage of lol more cores for free.

>> No.63043534
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>The fuck is this marketing speak
Ryzen's Zen architecture is a MASSIVE departure from what we're used to.
CPU architectures are normally designed around a single CPU die.
Ryzen was designed first and foremost for servers. The Server variant AMD calls EPYC.
The top Epyc CPU uses 4 CPU dies on a single chip all connected by AMD's Infinity Fabric. Each CPU die has 2 CPU complexes or CCXs as AMD calls them. Each CCX contains 4 cores. So in addition to allowing multiple CPU dies to communicate, the infinity fabric also allows the CCX's to communicate on each die. The faster the ram, the faster the infinity fabric runs. So on the Zen CPUs, ram speed directly affects how fast the CPU communicates with itself, which leads to massive performance increases as memory speed increases.
Threadripper is just an Epic CPU with 2 dies deactivated.
Ryzen 3, 5, and 7 is 1 die on a chip, with cores deactivated symmetrically on the 2 CCX's to achieve 4, 6, and 8 core variants.

Here. Have an Epyc Eclipse.

>> No.63043542

7970 was insain for its time

>> No.63043568

Along with the 2500k I've never been more satisfied with my money spent.

>> No.63043609

>1440p is enough
640kb was enough?
1080p is enough?

Regardless of 1440p being "enough" or not, that's not what I'm pointing out.

I am just saying that I regret buying two 1440p's now that I'm sitting here with two 4k's. And I can tell you that now that I do have a dual 4k monitor setup I'm not going back to 1440p's "because it's enough".

There used to be a huge price-difference between 4k and 1440p, that gap is closing and it's closing fast.There's 1 year old 1440p's that are priced higher than the 4k's released the last few months.

>> No.63043652

Probably the most future proof build in history. There still isnt much reason to upgrade desu

>> No.63043688
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Don't care what their story is, the only thing I do care about is what kind if performance I get. And it's not good enough. It's too slow. Encoding some video files take ages. And that turbo boost they were talking about? Doesn't apply, if all cores and threads are fully loaded then it's 3.6 GHz on the Ryzen 1600X. That supposed 4 GHz turbo they talk about never kicks in unless it's some poorly coded shit which only uses one or two threads - basically nothing these days.

inb4 should have got EPIC: I'm not paying as much as a car costs for a computer unless it's somehow more profitable than the investment and it's not.

>> No.63043691

The card is dead m8.

>> No.63043757

This Kikes discontinuing support for Windows 7 post-Kaby Lake Processors makes me so mad.

>> No.63043773

>ASRock has the best VRM and MSI the worst

That's completely wrong though. MSI's B350 boards have the best VRMs around. Or at least did at launch, I don't know how the Asus Strix stacks up. ASRock's are third place at best, behind the Asus boards and made to look like they have more phases than they really do through using extra components that do very little (not even proper doubling). They're really 3+3 phase designs.


>> No.63043825

Do you know how asrock z boards compare to msi zboards

>> No.63043862

Having a weird problem that I can't figure out the computer is getting close to a year old. It'll boot and I can spend as much time in the bios as I want with no problems but when I load into windows I have a couple seconds before me screen goes black and I have to shut the computer down. I'm starting to think my boot drive may be going bad but I'm honestly not sure would appreciate any help I'm out of ideas.

>> No.63043891

Test by putting the boot drive into another PC.

>> No.63043921

Single core performance has been stagnant for years though, so it's basically like the difference in finishing times between two Olympic medalists

4K fidelity is wasted at 27"

>> No.63043938

Is it worth getting a 1600X right now or should we wait for the second gen Ryzen CPU's allegedly released in feb? They're currently on sale and I really want to upgrade from my 4690k but it sucks to buy something that is outdated a month later...

>> No.63043958

why get the x? just overclock the 1600 and enjoy the free actually-breddy-gud cooler that comes with it.

>> No.63043985
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>buys X cpu
>runs at stock clocks
>It's not fast enough!

>> No.63044028

Stagnant because its been intel competing against intself. Thanks amd!

>> No.63044039

Which brands should I prefer/avoid if I'm looking for an M.2 SSD?

>> No.63044050

It's on sale so It's cheaper, even with an added cooler. Besides, I'm lazy and don't want to bother with OC. I'm gonna get flamed for this but I've had the 4690k for 3 years and still haven't oc'd it.

>> No.63044057

Go with Samsung. Accept no substitute.

>> No.63044104

Most who buy a k skew do the samething

>> No.63044146

Even if there is [cheaper stuff] than 960 EVO 250GB for the same price?
Like Kingston/WD/Crucial?

>> No.63044161

Damn, I meant cheaper stuff with 500-525GB.

>> No.63044197

Stagnant because of x86 and node size, retard

The 500GB 850 EVO is like $140 right now or something

>> No.63044212

I'd use one of these, depending on your budget and whether you want NVMe or SATA.
NVMe - Samsung 960 Evo, Samsung 960 Pro
SATA - Samsung 850 Evo, Crucial MX300

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>amd years behind it's competator
>its x86 fault!

>> No.63044325

>amd years behind it's competator
You have no opinion that matters

>> No.63044331

850 EVO isn't really an option were I live, since they're sold without invoice and I think I shouln't ignore warranty completely.
There isn't many options here were I live, it all comes down to pay more for 960 EVO with half the storage or pick Intel 600p, some Kingston/HyperX, Crucial, maybe WD Green/Blue.

>> No.63044343

>were I live
Just fuck off if you don't include information like that in your first post

>> No.63044346

where do you live? fucking africa?

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>> No.63044385

This is a christian american anime forum. Gonna need you to deport yourself asap

>> No.63044411

Anyway my comment about x86 referred to why _INTEL_ has been stagnant. Nothing to do with AMD, tard

>> No.63044415

Are you mad or something?
I just told you specifically the 850 isn't reliable for me and that's it. World is pretty big, you know?

Doesn't matter.

That's funny 'cuz you Americans can't even pronounce Japanese names correctly.

>> No.63044419

Has nothing to do with me making fun of amd

>> No.63044678

>asks for help
>fails to provide relevant information
>wastes others time
Yeah sure just keep complaining about Americans. Next time read the OP, or is that something Japanese people can't do?

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I'm a newbie and thinking about upgrading my PC. I just wanna get solid 60 fps with decent graphics in modern AAA games. Is there any reason why I couldn't keep using my SSD, hard drive, and tower? Anything that could cause me to buy new of any of these? (the case is really big btw with some fans and stuff)

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this is mine btw idk if it helps

>> No.63044730

Not complaing about shit, m8
Just making fun of you americans
Also, there is nothing about that >>63037503

I'm not wasting anyone's time more than they already do, they recommend me one thing, I search for it, shit doesn't come with warranty and that's all I said.
Don't be mad at me.
Seems like it's all comes down to america's education, great example comes from you

>> No.63044758

That feel when you build
And you can't play any games at full resolution, extreme stutter, And lag unless you reduce the resolution to bullshit.

>> No.63044764

you can reuse those.

>> No.63044780

fraps or it didn't happen

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Glad to hear it. I'm assuming the rest of allt the stuff that goes into the case will need to be upgraded to actually get a decent performance boost though?

>> No.63044814


How much are you looking to spend, and what country?

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And I'm not sure about how much I am looking to spend, I'm flexible with that since I am currently making a decent amount of money but still trying to save a decent amount.

The goal is basically to not have to worry about getting 60 fps in games with good but not necessarily maxed out graphics settings at 1080p. I know you can go much further than that but to me the diminishing gains of graphical development have really started to kick in, and I don't obsess about getting the absolute best.

That said I still want my rig to hold up for a few years. Oh and I should also add that I'm not in a hurry, so waiting for good deals over a month or so wouldn't be a big deal!

Any advice helps btw. Embarrassingly I have always just let my hardware-friends build my PCs for me.

>> No.63045028

r5 1600 processor
B350 motherboard, Asrock Pro4 and MSI mortar/tomahawk are well recommended models
16GB of ram that's on the QVL list of the motherboard you chose
GTX 1060 6gb/ RX580 4gb, whichever is cheaper
400W+ PSU made by SeaSonic

Replace the CPU with r7 1700 and GPU with GTX 1070Ti (comes out on Thursday) if you are above 1080p

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Thanks a bunch for the suggestion friendo.

I already have 16GB of ram though, so I should be fine as long as whichever motherboard I pick is compatible right?

>> No.63045107

No. Modern processors use DDR4 memory, while what you had in your previous build would be DDR3.

Make sure to get 2400 ram at the bare minimum, 3000mhz is recommended for best results.

>> No.63045154

>4K fidelity is wasted at 27"
bullshit. Sure you're going to notice how shit 1080p is on a 50" screen but if you can't see a clear difference between 1440p and 4k close up then your eyes are fucked. Its diminishing returns, not on/off.

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Oh that's a shame, but thanks for letting me know!

So are sales on PC parts common enough that it would be worth it to hope for a sale, or is full price generally to be expected? Could I hope to find any components online or sell any of my current? (Guessing not but hey who knows)

>> No.63045215

Is a 1080 wasted on a 1080p/144hz monitor? The price difference between a 1070 and a 1080 isn't too big in my country.

>> No.63045272

The OP says specifically says to list budget and currency. You said cheap without specifying currency. Reading comprehension FAILURE, and you're sitting here talking about education. Probably as bad as your driving

Haha, you can't even get a good framerate with high end parts

Read the link and weep for your wasted money. Anyway if you're at 4K you're at a low refresh rate

Getting a 1080 is fine if the 1070 is overpriced and the 1080 is at MSRP

>> No.63045305

A good keyboard under $70?

>> No.63045324

Maybe ducky if they have something that cheap

>> No.63045328

>Reading comprehension FAILURE
Sure, pal. Let me show you my first post >>63044039
>Which brands should I prefer/avoid if I'm looking for an M.2 SSD?
I ask for brands and brands only, nothing else. No models or shit. Then someone say to ignore everything except samsung, I just asked if worth paying more for less >>63044057 >>63044146.
Until you came out. Fuck you, learn YOU how to read, faggot.

>> No.63045363

guys it's normal for my gigabyte 1070 g1 to sound constantly like a fucking jet engine while is under load?

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>> No.63045490

Coffee lake is faster.

>> No.63045513

magicforce memeboard

i like mine with gateron switches

>> No.63045521

The fact you can't use proper punctuation makes me think it's shit.

>> No.63045526

I guess you're too stupid to COMPREHEND the purpose of listing currency

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>literally just ordered a gigabyte 1060

>> No.63045538

blame that on android then

>> No.63045558

was just going along with the meme friend. As far as I know there is nothing wrong with them

>> No.63045562

You can, but it's priced the same as a new i3-7100. You kinda blow away the value of the build.

>> No.63045593

I had a gigabyte 7970 that was pretty damn good.

>> No.63045637

Hot dog anon, don't do that to me, you nearly gave me a heart attack. I was about to put a chargeback on my card. I'm nervous enough about this build as is.

I'm excited to see how their 1060 runs. I'm pretty optimistic it'll be worth it. When'd you get your 7970 and how long did it last for you?

>> No.63045663

whenever I am shopping for parts I type "x part issues/problems/heat" into google and see how much comes up. You're bound to see the odd issue with anything, but if you get a full page of forum threads with similar titles etc that['s a good indicator its poor quality.

>> No.63045687

when are raven ridge apu gonna drop!

>> No.63045693

I had it for years before I gave it to my nephew. It's still going as far as I know.

>> No.63045701

Does the i5 8400 perform any good in CEMU/RPCS3?

>> No.63045711

Will 1070ti + r5 1600 be enough for 1440p 144fps? I don't really play much AAA games. Mostly play Tekken 7, Guilty Gear revelator, and Dark Souls games. Probably will get MH when it launches. Also looking to get back into racing games.

>> No.63045785

New thread lads:

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