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Intel's suffering isn't stopping anytime soon.

Another week, another new Skylake-X surprise.

>> No.61487469
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>>61487445
>oy vey

>> No.61487477

>>61487445
Good thing cpu's still have pins-- oh wait

>> No.61487479

>>61487445
1.25V? Why would you want 1.20V? Nobody needs more than 1.10V anyway? HELP ME POLICE THIS MAN IS TRYING TO PUSH HIS CPU OVER 1.0V!!

>> No.61487483

>>61487445
Burning this house...WITH NO SURVIVORS!

>> No.61487498

Kek they really rushed this garbage out

>> No.61487504

This is normal, AMDrone poojeet
Why do you think the socket has so many pins? They're expendable in HEDT sockets and that's regular behavior

but AYYYMDpoorfags can't wrap their mind around the fact that Intel plans everything out and they stick to their chips that become unstable at 3,6ghz

>> No.61487506

Intel strikes back at overclockers trying to cheat them out of free clock cycles. I for one, applaud their efforts.

>> No.61487522

>>61487445
>burnt pin on modestly overclocked 6core part
Oh boy.
What will happen with 18 cores?

>> No.61487531

>>61487522
The entire socket gets reduced to burnt slag.

>> No.61487534

>>61487522
What 18 cores?

>> No.61487542

If you connect a row of burned out contacts, does the bios display BINGO at startup?

>> No.61487547

Has anyone delidded an i9 yet?

>> No.61487551

>>61487547
Yes.
It's required.

>> No.61487559

>>61487534
7980XE?

>> No.61487601

>>61487547
what? i9?

>> No.61487664

>>61487559
Is there any need for Intel to humiliate itself any more?

>> No.61487671

>>61487504
Take a nap, eurofag

>> No.61487673

>>61487664
It can't get any worse than *that* slide deck.

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>>61487504
Agree nothing to see here, it Normal, now delid this thread

>> No.61487715

Waiting for Zen 2 here to sell my 6700k. Ryzen is way too buggy and I still want my gaymen performance so if Z2 will OC to 5 gigs as promised and fix its shitty motherboards with RAM ocing issues I will never look back.

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>>61487445

Arent many of those pins are redundant? Just swap them in bios gee

>> No.61487866

>>61487445
This is intended behavior.

>> No.61488177
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oy vey why would you even want to overclock your cpu? just buy a new one next year

>> No.61488216

>>61487531
that they'll dig out from beneath the charred remains of your house

>> No.61488303
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>>61487445
DELET PLS.

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>>61487522
>What will happen with 18 cores?

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>>61488303

>> No.61488438

>>61487445
>not deliding
Lmao

>> No.61488450
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>>61487445
Muh $500 custom loop AIO cooling system
Anons, how long do you think before these brainlets discover the cooling meme of early 2000s and start submerging their systems in mineral oil?

>> No.61488463

>>61488450
>start submerging their systems in mineral oil?
It's patented now afaik.
You need a chiller.

>> No.61488485

>>61488450
>submerge PC in oil
>oil starts boiling
Might as well throw in some French fries while you are at it.

>> No.61488493

Probably just a damaged pin. LGA 2066 is designed for 18 core nuclear infernos. A 6 core medium intensity housefire shouldn't burn it up.

>> No.61488521

>>61488485
Someone post the smiley fries picture

>> No.61488526

>>61487671
>he well for bait this obvious
?

>> No.61488542

>>61487534
why do you need 10 cores?

>> No.61488594

>>61488450
you can't really overclock much in mineral oil, as it will retain the heat.

>> No.61488697

>>61488493
There are several others culprits in the chain.
But it's unlikely to be the socket or CPU fault, but it's not impossible.

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>>61487715
With 3600mhz ram Ryzen already matches the 7700k in most modern games.

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>>61488521

https://hardforum.com/threads/i-deep-fried-my-computer-literally.1104341/

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>>61487522

>> No.61488886

>>61488450
>Muh $500 custom loop AIO cooling system
You mean $2000 phase change cooling

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>>61488886
I think he meant this

>> No.61488927

>>61488853
Thanks

>> No.61488953

Boy i wish i had Charlie's good goy account.
I wonder how big SKL-SP is.

>> No.61488983

>>61487477
quit being dumb

>> No.61489040

>>61487477
Could still happen on pins, except it would probably happen inside the socket instead of on the CPU.

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>>61487445

This is normal. Nothing to see here.

>> No.61489137

>>61489040
Pins have a bigger contact area is what he's saying. LGA pads have a really really small one. Higher contact area = lower resistance. Lower resistance + same amount of current = lower amount of heat.

IIRC, PGA pins are generally contacted around at least half of each pin as the socket is closed and locked. If someone could find and post an image of the internal contacts of a PGA socket that would be awesome.

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>thinner silicon wafer than AMD
>Mayo tier TIM
>garbage performance:watt ratio
>Power consumption so high it's now causing scorched contacts on the CPU.
>overall a huge overpriced disappointment

Why did Intel even bother? Why didn't they just play the game of pricing and make their already existing CPUs cheaper while working on a new arch. This is embarrassing honestly. I mean I get that Intel didn't expect Ryzen to be as good as it is. Or even know of the existence of Threadripper. But this knee jerk reaction of "fuck it! Keep slapping moar coars on our inefficient as architecture! TDP be damned!" Is stupidity.

It didn't work for AMD in bulldozer/pile-driver days. Won't work now.

>> No.61489190

>>61489142
They still think people will buy Intel because it's Intel.

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61489192

Why you didn't listen?

>> No.61489207

>>61489142
>Mayo tier TIM
Does Intel still use shitty paste under the spreader? What about the new AMD chips?

I have a old AMD 8-core with soldered spreader, did everything go to shit after this or is there still hope?

>> No.61489211

>>61489192
Zen was designed by Clark though.
Shitwrecker was doing K12 and managed teams.

>> No.61489226

>>61489207
AMD still uses good old Indium solder.

>> No.61489230
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>>61489207
Ryzen uses solder

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>>61487479

>> No.61489257

>>61489190
Yea. Sad really. I sold my 6700k and Z170 ROG board for damned near full price to a guy on ebay when the official Ryzen benchmarks came out. My old FX-9590 build went up in flames nearly. Only reason I had Intel to begin with.
>>61489207
Nope. AMD still uses fluxless solder under their lid. Intel is the only one using paste. Paste even on their $1500 I9 series. Even the $60 dual core APU A series chips from AMD had fluxless solder.

>> No.61489260

>4.7 on a bunch of transistors with current day's tech

Deserved it, he knew the 7700k was struggling to maintain a high clock under low temps and yet he went ahead.

>> No.61489269

>>61489211
Infinity fabric smells of Keller all over. it's hypertransport for the new age.

>> No.61489275

>>61489226
>>61489230
Nice.

>> No.61489282

>>61489269
It was a combined effort.
IF is not just a physical layer, it's entire protocol.

>> No.61489283

>>61489137
You would think that someone would have taken a part a PGA socket to see the inside but I can't find any pictures of it.
I did find some diagrams of the methods to contact the pins inside but there's no telling what is actually implemented in AMDs sockets, for example. There are a lot of different PGA sockets out there.

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>>61489269
>smells of Keller

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>>61489260
>Don't overclock, goy

>> No.61489346

>>61489260
Wait what, isn't the K part specifically made for overclocking? What the hell Intel?

>> No.61489371

>>61489346
Yup. It is. Just as Z series motherboards are for overclocking. Intel's official response to complaints of the i7-7700k spiking to 103C occasionally when under load and overclocked was literally "we don't recommend overclocking the CPU."

>> No.61489372

>>61489346
No. The K part just has an unlocked multiplier and a slightly higher base clock speed.

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>>61489346
Sure as long as you don't actually do it you silly goy

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>all it took was one raisin to put the goliath in critical mode

>> No.61489424

>>61489346
Nothic intel makes is made specifically for overclocking, they just jew you out of doing it unless you pay extra.

>> No.61489459

>>61487601
Where have you been

>> No.61489485

lol

>> No.61489492

>>61489405
There's more: AMD is yet to hit Intel's mobile market.
Imagine XPS13, but with non-shit quad-core APU.

>> No.61489501

>>61489211

Nope. You are wrong. The main concept around Zen architecture is Infinity Fabric which is successor of HyperTransport designed by Jim Keller.

Keller is THE micro archtitecture god. Not Clark.

>> No.61489503

Can you people please stop with the anti semitic jokes?
They're not funny at all.

>> No.61489523

>>61488542
Best I can do is 4 cores

>> No.61489529

>>61489501
Zen core and it's caches were designed by Clark. IF was a team effort. Some people did the control layer, the others did custom intra-package and socket to socket links. Keller managed all that and tinkered with K12.

>> No.61489530

>>61489503
Shut up, heeb, they're hilarious.

>> No.61489533

>>61487469
Kinda like that Citroën lead manager guy called Peugeot

>> No.61489538

>>61489503
Can we do housefire ones instead?

>> No.61489542

>>61489503
4U? :)

>> No.61489549

>>61489538
No, wait for Vega or Volta whatever will have the bigger die.

>> No.61489551

>>61489503
I agree, but how likely do you think it is that they stop because you asked so? You must be new here..

>> No.61489559

>>61489283
Well, i know it's been done to Socket 462, but I'm not so sure about the later ones. The only one I can even come close to confirming is the one where after doing an LN2 overclocking run they went to pull the pot off the socket and instead ended up ripping most of the plastic socket off the board. The board contacts got left behind, and it does look like they at least partially wrap around the CPU pins.

>> No.61489570

>>61487673
Comedy fucking gold.

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>>61489492
"now introducing the Lenovo Thinkpad T480 with 6c/12t APU and R7 graphics all in a 35w package!"

I'm wet thinking about it. In all honesty I don't see a high core count APU being out of the question. AMD managed to make their r7-1700 65w and that's an 8c/16t boosting to 3.2ghz.

>> No.61489602

>>61489523
I can't beleive he asked me for 2 cores.

>> No.61489616

>>61489424
I really miss the old days of 1156/1366 and before where you could overclock any cpu on pretty much every chipset via bclk.

Was nice to see people could do it on skylake i3/5, tho I'm guessing it wasn't on purpose by intel..

>>61489459
Speaking of 1366, the first ES hexacores that came was initially calld i9. Which makes sense really. i3 is dual with HT, i5 is quad, i7 is quad with HT and i9 is hexa..

But no, i3 is dual with HT, so is i5. And i5 is quad, i7 is quad with HT. AND hexa.

And for laptops fucking dual with HT is called i7.

What the fuck.

>> No.61489621

>>61489602
Help! A mad man is tyring to steal my core!

>> No.61489632

>>61489596
6/12 APUs are probably for Zen2.
Raven Ridge caps at 4/8.

>> No.61489635

>>61489621
You'll be hearing from my lawyer about the 4 cores you still owe me!

>> No.61489648

>>61489596
I'd be just fine with a 4c/8t with decent graphics in my thinkpad... without the intel/nvidia pricing.

>> No.61489666

>>61487542
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

LMFAOROFL

>> No.61489674

>>61487445
Not just under-clocking it to run everything better for less energy.

Who actually uses 4.7GHz often enough to warrant that kind of thing?

Sure a split second load spike will go well past that, but if you can't wait an extra 50 milliseconds you got some really bad ADHD.

>> No.61489676

>>61489648
Same. Some of the HP laptop with the FX series A12's and dedicated RX460 graphics had me tempted at $650. It's just that those laptops are their consumer line. So shitty keyboards and screens. I'd be more than happy to pay $1000 for a thinkpad, probook, or latitude/precision with new AMD APU.

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>>61489674
>ebin overcloker xxxxxtrem gaymen x good goy series
>just underclock it!

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>>61489674
>buying into Intel's X SERIES 1337 GAMING OVERCLOCKING GOD EDITION CPU
>then after buying into it, claim that high frequencies aren't even needed lol. Just underclock.

Pathetic.

>> No.61489755

>>61487715
how is Ryzen buggy? it's been completely and utterly issue-less for me and I got mine at release.

admittedly it was unstable for a week but motherboard firmware updates completely fixed it.

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Butthurt kikes on suicidewatch.

>> No.61489858

>>61488790
And then you remove the bottleneck and see that Ryzen trails behind in every single game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsDjx-tW_WQ

>> No.61489867

>>61487445
meanwhile my i7 920 from 2008 is humming along happily at 4.4ghz and is still faster than I need a CPU to be.

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>>61489858
>720p
Not low enough, anon.

>> No.61489891

>>61489879
We must go lower.

>> No.61489896

>>61489867
There are anons on here still using Core 2 Quads. As long as it works for your use case, there's no need to upgrade, really.

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>>61487445

pls be widespread

pls be widespread

pls be widespread

>> No.61489936

>>61489891
You got it, senpai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMNFoNtKCR8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN5mxFfkr7g

>> No.61489940

>>61489879
I don't get these 640x480 benchmarks.. almost seems like it's just a way to get the results you want.

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>>61489940
I wonder who is behind those

>> No.61490061

>>61487522
>>61487534
>>61488542
>>61489523
>>61489602
>>61489621
>>61489635
N I C E M E M E
I
C
E
Somebody make it happen.

>> No.61490199

>>61489137
He'd be wrong. But when you're looking at AMD CPUs like ThreadRipper which have high power consumption, they also have nearly double the amount of pins compared to Intel Housefire-X CPU line which has 2066 pins compared to over 4k of threadripper. So that probably helps.

PGA wouldn't help Intel. More vcore or whatever that is pins would.

>> No.61490227

HEY I TOOK MY DAEWOO ONTO A RACETRACK AND RAN IT ON NITROUS AND IT BLEW UP >:(

>> No.61490248

>>61490227
>t. Intel Apologist

>> No.61490259

>>61490227
More like
>I took my Nissan GT-R Nürburgring package to the track and it blew up

>> No.61490290
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>>61489287
>>61489269

>> No.61490300

Some of the magic smoke got out.

>> No.61490337

That's a feature.

>> No.61490542

>>61489896
Core2Duo in my Macbook from 2009. Yes, I installed an SSD several years ago.

>> No.61490599
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>>61489858
>1080 Ti for 1080p benchmarks
>bottleneck
What did he mean by this?

>> No.61490628

>>61489940
Same. Why would 480p fps matter when on 1080p there's hardly a difference. I mean, i really don't see the importance in it. You're gonna be using it on 1080p anyway.

>> No.61490673
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>imac pro with 18 core xeon and vega

>> No.61490689

>>61490673
Not gonna be a problem if both are undervolted

Protip: They are

>> No.61490703

>>61489940
Because it favors clock speed. Not compute.

>> No.61490720

>>61490599
Posting sae is a bannable offence

>> No.61490726

>>61490599
he means that today's standard for gaming is 480p heading lower and that's why its those benchmarks that should matter

>> No.61490740

I refuse to play at anything below 400FPS, 640x480 benchmarks are critical to me and many others

>> No.61490745

>>61490673
I forgot about that combo...

Enjoy your 5-15k iNapalm...

>> No.61490750
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meanwhile on AMD...

>> No.61490771

>>61489879
One sec firing up MSDOS to bench DOOM at 1000fps

>> No.61490774

>>61487601
Why would you need to delid an i7?

>> No.61490791

>>61490740
Pouring Ln2 onto your 7700k won't make you a good CSGO player, anon.

>> No.61490803

>>61490750

server ECC 3600Mhz RAM when

>> No.61490818

YOU DON'T GET TO OVERCLOCK GOYIM

>> No.61490833

>>61490803
we're near the end of DDR4, so wait for ddr5

>> No.61490837

>>61487445
I would guess this has nothing to do with the cpu, or the socket.

Possibly, he touched it with dirty hands and got oil/dirt on the pad, or maybe dust had fallen on that pin. Leading to high resistance on a connection designed for almost zero resistance. Which leads to fire.

>> No.61490846

>>61490803
Never because JEDEC is slow.

>> No.61490860

>>61490740
T. Minecraft players

>> No.61490883

>>61490837

An X299 RAID key has been sent to your home adress free of charge (shipping price not included).

>> No.61490942

>>61490837
yeah right, the cpu pulling hundreds of watts through the socket has nothing to do with it

>> No.61491010

>>61490942
Unless they somehow don't have enough pins, that's fine.
Keep in mind that the pin contacts are made of gold. Assuming they get a perfect connection, you would not see very much resistance, thus not very much heat, even at high wattage

>> No.61491084

>>61491010
Well they are gold plated with a very tiny contact aera. also if your dealing with a core voltage of 1.25v and pulling 300w of power that is 240 amps going thorough that socket, not surprising there is a burnt contact.

>> No.61491150

>>61487542
Underrated

>> No.61491301

>>61488790
>With 3600mhz ram Ryzen already matches the 7700k in most modern games.
Running @3600mhz ram on ryzen. What a lucky fuck.

>> No.61491378

>>61491301
People could do it on fucking LAUNCH day.
The situation is far better now when you actually have memory multipliers.

>> No.61491431

>>61491378
>People could do it on fucking LAUNCH day.
A few lucky folks were able to do it on launch day. A few more can do it today under the right condition.

T. 1800x on launch

>> No.61491687

>>61491431
It seems that Ryzen after 3200MHz prefers tighter timings than pure bandwidth, I'd rather go with 3200 and low latency timings than 3600 and CL15

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>>61489503
you'll learn to like them or you will stay back in plebbit, your choice

>> No.61492119

>>61491084
Yes, but 240 amps across a connection resistance of like 0.00000001 ohms is going to generate very little heat.

>> No.61492185

>>61492119
the resistance is a lot higher than that and you know it, the contact on LGA is really bad compared to PGA

>> No.61492231

>>61490750
More like segfaults per hour am i right? xD

>> No.61492238

>>61492185
I'd like to actually run some numbers on it, but can't find anything.
Regardless, it's still likely a bad connection. "professional" Overclocks have pushed way more amps through PGA chips then that.

>> No.61492283

>>61487445
If you overclock and overvolt, you can't be all that shocked when something breaks.

>> No.61492289

>>61488853
>Internet pre-memes and pre-normies
Now THAT makes me nostalgic

>> No.61492346

>>61490771
Doom runs at 36fps. You can not go higher without serious modification

>> No.61492365

>>61488331
>Detroit FD
Just let the house burn.

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>>61487445
DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW YOU STUPID GOYIM

WE HAVE TO KEEP THE ISRAEL PLANT OPEN

SHREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>61489503
>>61492075

>> No.61492428
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61492428

>>61487445
oy veyyy

delete this now goyim those burnt contacts remind me of when they tried to burn me in the ovens at Auschwitz.

>> No.61492434

>>61492389
You're not funny.

>> No.61492602

If this becomes widespread you are going to see a recall.

Nail in the coffin.

>> No.61492676

>>61492602
Intel doesn't care if you blew up their CPU trying to OC it. Not covered under warrantee.

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>>61492602
>recall
stupid goyim, you broke it yourselves NO RECALL

>> No.61492730

>>61487445
Who over-clocks anyways? You fucking turbo nerds will pick apart anything. All I ever see are you people making Intel's smallest ant hills into the largest mountains.

Hows much does AMD pay you, /g/?

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61492741

>>61492730
>Who over-clocks anyways? You fucking turbo nerds will pick apart anything. All I ever see are you people making Intel's smallest ant hills into the largest mountains.

>> No.61492757

>>61492676
>>61492685
You silly faggots think Intel would just be ok with this?

>> No.61492805

>>61492602
Not really. This is due to overclocking which is outside of out of the box specifications and warranty is out of the question. I only see recalls being possible if this happens on stock specs.

Nice to see tables have turned lol

>> No.61492831

>>61492757
Did you not see the "we recommend not overclocking the 7700k" articles? Of course they're ok with it, they don't give the slightest fuck.

>> No.61492837

>>61490673
>boot computer
>cpu already throttled to 0.6GHz

>> No.61492853

>>61489503
I'm sorry anon, I'll be a good goy

>> No.61493005
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61493005

>>61487445
Intelfags get fucked.

>> No.61493034
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61493034

>>61489142

>> No.61493111

>>61489346
No, it refers to the temperature in Kelvin of the CPU.

>> No.61493165

>>61487522
PowerPC 970 will become a fridge.

>> No.61493181

>>61492346
Not if you run demos to benchmark it. In that case, it goes as fast as it can.

>> No.61493257

>>61490689
A undervolted Epyc/Threadripper would have been the perfect solution for that thermal nightmare and would still kick any Skylake-X processor.
Tim Cook is riding Brian's dick. I don't have any other explanation why Apple hasn't switched to Ryzen.

>> No.61493266

>>61493257
Memebolt.

>> No.61493293

>>61490883
>intel
>paying with RAID keys
Those fuckers pay with chink branded pencils and weeaboo pin badges.

>> No.61493295
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61493295

>>61490774
An i5 is all you need goy

>> No.61493299

>>61493266
USB-C is superior to thunderbolt in every way though.

>> No.61493317

>>61493299
USB-C is even worse.
It's a total clusterfuck.

>> No.61493332

>>61488331
>Detroid
I thought they stopped bothering to put out fires there lol

>> No.61493347

>>61493299
>can't daisy chain
>can't transmit PCI-e

>> No.61493390

>>61492231
kek

in all honesty though have they fixed it yet?

>> No.61493659

>>61493390
It was fixed by a gcc update.

>> No.61493670

>>61493659
No.

>> No.61493695

>>61493670
Last time I checked the thread in gentoo forums people were reporting that upgrading gcc fixed it, maybe they were wrong after all.

>> No.61493725

>>61493695
Could also be fixed on B2 sillicon, who knows

>> No.61493786

>>61487673
Where there's a will there's a way, anon.

>> No.61493895

>>61492831
A burnt out pin is not a heat/voltage spike and silly gamer kiddies overclocking on shitty 20 dollar air coolers.

>> No.61494032

>>61487445
Didnt we literally memed this existance with the housefire meme?

>> No.61494043
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>>61494032
That was with nvidia

>> No.61494059

>>61494043
>he doesn't remember the original housefire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qspdnAYiiug

>> No.61494231

>>61493347
You're retarded and don't know shit about what you're talking about.
Thunderbolt is a protocol that can use a variety of connectors.
Previous generations used the mini-DisplayPort, current gen. uses the USB-C port.
Furthermore, Intel has opened the specification so everyone can implement Thunderbolt.
Not that the faggot you were responding to was any less wrong...

>> No.61495152

>>61494231
>opened the specs so everyone can use thunderbolt
Not yet, until 2018 at least. since they're still working on it.

>> No.61495352

>>61490599
60hz plebs need not apply

>> No.61495404

>>61489940
>GPU bottlenecks
>Look goy, our Ryzen processors are just as fast as Intel! Why would you need anything else?
>Remove bottleneck
>Wow! Nobody even PLAYS with those settings! I bet you're INTENTIONALLY doing this just to make us look bad!

/g/ - AMD

>> No.61495421

>>61495404
why not just use synthetic benchmarks if it's going to rely on absurd stuff like that then?

>> No.61495436

>>61489192
>JIM KELLER
>JEM KILLER
>JEW KILLER

>> No.61495446

>>61491687
I'd rather just go with Kaby for my gaming rig and put Ryzen in my work computer - then again, I'm not a poorfag fanboy trying to play damage control.

>> No.61495485

>>61495421
>removing bottlenecks is absurd

If you're on 60hz then it doesn't matter, but if you're going for a high refresh rate, you need to lower settings in most modern games which is where Ryzen grinds to a screeching halt.

>> No.61495498

>>61490673
Jesus H. Christ. Will apple throw a Steve Jobs and get threadripper/epyc at the last minute?

>> No.61495507

>>61495485
>muh 240hz meme monitor

>> No.61495513

>>61492289
That's not pre-meme, kid. Ever heard of "Mr. T Ate My Balls?"

>> No.61495541

>>61495507
>muh 16 meme threads

I mean, we could play this game all day, but facts are facts.

>> No.61495552

>>61495541
Nobody cares about your extreme niche use case where you're trying to get literally hundreds of FPS by tanking the GPU workload.

>> No.61495587

>>61495552
Nobody cares about your extreme niche use case where you're trying to get milliseconds of time shaved off your kernel compile

>> No.61495636

>>61495587
>milliseconds
More cores will bring that time down by orders of magnitude.

Just buy your 7700K OC it to 4.8 GHz and fuck off, nobody else gives a shit.

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>>61495404
Yeah, too bad that with fast ram an R7 at 4.0ghz ties a 7700k at 5ghz in most games at 1080p using a 1080 Ti

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>>61495552
>>61495587
can you stop?

>> No.61495713

>>61495691
can YOU stop?

>> No.61495740

Need to know, I have money, intel still top of the line?

in the $1000 price bracket.

What do I get if I buy $4000 pc?
No poptarts

>> No.61495750

>>61495636
Why are you so angry that Ryzen isn't a one-size-fits-all CPU? Buy a 7700k if you're so bent out of shape about poor core performance, damn kiddo.

They're just chips, not your relatives.

>> No.61495754

>>61495740
Um, you only need $1200 to build a pc...

>> No.61495757

>>61495740
yes, buy 7800x and overclock it to 4.8ghz minimum.

>> No.61495760

>>61495740
buy the most expensive.

>> No.61495779

>>61495754
Um, I need a really powerful computer.

2x 1080ti's & a top of the line cpu.
I make $5,000 a month, so this is not unreasonable for something I use everyday

>> No.61495795

>>61495779
If all you're going to do is muh gaymes just get a 7700K, otherwise wait for Threadripper. 16 cores of wallet emptying goodness.

>> No.61495818

>>61495754
I've not been paying attention. The last time I was here was when the "more cores" meme was going around. This was the 6core thing after the phenom ii be 965 came out, sandy bridge just came out.

>>61495760
Wondering advice

>> No.61495829

>>61495779
get the top threadripper

>> No.61495850

>>61495795
are they seriously calling it threadripper.
omg

>> No.61495861

Yes it is literally called Ryzen Threadripper.

>> No.61495900

>>61495861

oh ok.
But arnt threads what individual prosseses run on. You wouldnt want them "ripping"

it doesnt even make sense.
How does referring to a component as x-ripper make it a marketing term..

i dont even know anymore

>> No.61495920

>>61495900
it's just a name, it's gets good spin offs like kikeripper

>> No.61495936

>>61494059
>Louder than the 5800 ultra?
>I think not.
lmao

>> No.61495945

>>61495850
I know sounds edgy af but that's AMD for ya.

>> No.61496005

>>61489676
HP consumer laptops have surprisingly good keyboards
Well, as good as chiclet gets
But the screen does suck
t. someone with a HP laptop with a A10 9600p and a R7m 340

>> No.61496052

>>61496005
any laptops with iris pro 580 yet?
Id like a laptop that can play light games with more than an hour and a half of bettery, and not get really hot/loud

>> No.61496061

>>61495945
*teleports behind you*
>pssh nothing personal, kid

>> No.61496097

>>61493295
maybe if you translated those nip scribbles up top

>> No.61496157

>>61496061

>pssh nothing personnel, Intel

I fixed it to be 1) /g/ related and 2) accurate to the original OC.

>> No.61496183

>>61496052
Intel Integrated is shit and will continue to be shit, forever. Get an APU based laptop either now or when Ryzen Mobile comes out.

>> No.61496247

>>61495485
The only settings that would considerably affect processor performance are physics modeling and non shader based SSAO, memory intensive transfers (FO4 being notorious for responding uncommonly well to RAM speed), and as well game engines still stuck on 4 threads.

>> No.61496266

>>61487445
>6 core cpu at 4.7GHz base freq
Is this guy trying to burn his house down?

>> No.61496328

>>61487445
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Intel = housefire

>> No.61496338

>>61495513
Have not. How old are you tho?

>> No.61496340

>>61487479
;^]

>> No.61496347

>>61496338
30

>> No.61496387

>>61495779
Get the EPYC 32core

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61496476

>>61496266
What if I told you that's the target stock speed for Zen 2?

>> No.61496513

>>61496476
> 12c/24t @ 4.7 GHz base under 100 W.
I would cum buckets, but I'll believe it when I see it.

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61496542

>>61495436
>JEM KILLER

You got somethin' you wanna say to my face, faggot?

>> No.61496543
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>>61496513
Whitepapers don't lie, simple as that.

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>>61487445
Does this still mean the 7800X is worse than the 7700K?

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>>61495740
It depends on what you need.
Threadripper will crush every single HEDT CPU on the market on multicore tasks, and if you really want to go overboard with cores just get a lower end single socket epyc

>> No.61496713

>>61496641
It's hard to imagine Ebyn boards being very affordable. 8 DDR4 channels plus 128 PCIe lanes have to be a nightmare to route.

>> No.61496739

>>61496713
Still cheaper than a fuckton of PCI-E switches.

>> No.61496846

>>61495750
>kiddo
you must be at least 13 to pretend you're 18 to post on this board

>> No.61496883
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SHUT IT DOWN

>> No.61496930

>>61495818
Turn off your trip and people might actually help you.

>> No.61496962

>>61496713
Epyc boards will be at most $600, add the 7401p for $1075, 2 1080tis ~$1400, 32gb of ddr4 memory ~$260, 1000w PSU ~$200, add a overpriced $500 case. That amounts to a budget of ~$4035, which will give you a 24c48t monstrosity, but do you honestly need that much?

>> No.61497053

>>61495659
I really want to build a Ryzen rig but 1x8 GB 2400 MHz RAM costs about half the processor price itself (in my country), we don't even have 3200 MHz at the stores. This sucks.

>> No.61497117

>>61497053
That would prevent you from building pretty much anything that requires DDR4.

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61497174

>>61489867
>mfw dual Xeon X5650 and 288GB (18x16GB ECC RDIMM)
How's 2017, fellow LGA1366bros?

>> No.61497275

>>61497174
housefire

>> No.61497297

>>61497174
How is gayming in this?

>> No.61497327

>>61497117
Yeah, that's why my plan is to get a used i7 Ivy Bridge (already got 1155) or a Haswell/Broadwell combo on eBay to keep my DDR3.

>> No.61497335

>>61497297
Gayming is alright if you use a 6core xeon in an X58 board that overclocks.

On a server dual-socket board that can't overclock, you'll take a small hit compared to newer chips.

But if you have an EVGA SR-2 (which still costs a bajillion dollars if you can find one), rape EVERYTHING.

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61497340

>>61497174
not bad, ive got 6 of them total

>> No.61497545

>>61496962
> using 32GB on an 8ch Epyc system
Does your mother realize she raised a fucking retard?

>> No.61497982

>>61497545
I'm not the braindead retard asking for advice on a overpriced Minecraft machine, you can add any memory config you might need

>> No.61498018

>>61495740
Secure tripcodes are for jerks.

>> No.61498020

>>61488790
>Running ram 3600 on ryzen
You realize 0.00001% of ryzens can do it with very costly special memory
It's easier to see a unicorn

>> No.61498133

>>61498020
>costly special memory
>ddr4 prices so fucked that 2400 and 3400 are within 10$

Yeah no try again.

>> No.61498230

>>61496183
Actually Iris Pro is quite good. It blows current APUs out of the water, even goes so far as to render low-end dGPUs useless. It's the Intel HD series iGPUs that are shit.

The correct way to go about this is to wait for Ryzen Mobile.

>> No.61498464

>>61496347
I was about to say that's sad but I realized I'm almost there. Fuck this life

>> No.61498490

>>61487445
pajeet vs the jews

>> No.61498874

>>61495740
>in the $1000 price bracket.

Threadripper 1950x soon.

>> No.61498919

>>61495740
>What do I get if I buy $4000 pc?

What are you using it for?

Gaming? Multi-card scales like ass, just buy a Titan XP and a Ryzen 7 then like 4TB of NVMe SSDs and have everything loading in a microsecond or some shit along with water cooling and a fancy ass case or something. Maybe buy a 4K monitor too.

Workstation? Hello multi-card scaling. Get yourself a $1000 Threadripper 1950X and 3 1080Tis. Quadros are NOT worth the money for a home business/hobbyist level unless you're a massive company that can't have a pixel wrong in a render, it just does not end up worth the cost when you could render 4x faster for the same price on consumer cards.

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61498976

>>61487504
>Expendable pins
>Implying the design is so shitty it would need expendable pins

>> No.61499069

>>61496340
>using the carat nose with the smiley

>> No.61499163

Why do intel CPUs use TIM instead of solder? I thought it might have been because of the smaller feature size, but AMD had no trouble at 14nm.

>> No.61499231

>>61499163
Laziness. Cheaper. Some claim that it had better longevity because nothing can crack, but as we can see its causeing other problems

>> No.61499319

>>61499163

One anon explained that bingbus has problems with cracking due to heat, and this is an issue avoided with tim

Maybe someone can find the post

>> No.61499370

>>61495779
>$5k/month
Macbook Pro

>> No.61499460

>>61496546
Yes. If you're going to game, the 7700K is still the best chip. If developers decide to actually start using more than 4 cores, you'll fall behind.

>> No.61499492
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>>61497335
I have said SR-2

>> No.61499511

>>61497174
If you overclocked an X5650, it's still kicking ass. The biggest gain you'll get is going to Haswell. Should net >50% gain clock for clock and support higher frequency. If you need the threads, it's pretty damn hard to beat an overclocked SR-2 setup.

>> No.61499524

>>61495740
At $1000 AMD slaughters Intel. That will get you the highest-end Threadripper.

>> No.61499573

Waiting on my KIKERIPPER

>> No.61499619

>>61495750
Different poster, but Ryzen actually does a pretty damned good job of being a one-size-fits-all. Going from 4 cores to 16 cores covers any desktop use case.

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>>61496543
>5GHz operation
That's bullshit, right? There's no way we're getting Zen on 5GHz next year. No way at all.
I would go full retard and buy highest end TR next year as my last silicon CPU desu.

>> No.61499759
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61499759

I've lost count of the number of times Intel has shot itself in the foot lately. Floptane, "Don't overclock", X299 reveal/launch, Xeon slides, now Coffee Lake S is looking to be barely more powerful than a 1600X (10-15%) while being 40% ($100) more expensive. When does the bleeding stop?

https://www.techpowerup.com/235385/francois-piednoel-quits-intel

>Who is François Piednoël, you ask? Why, just the principal engineer at Intel for nearly 20 years now.

>> No.61499825

>>61499690
5GHz is probably the highest possible with semi-housefire voltages, but a zen2 threadripper running OCed at 4.7GHz probably isn't outside reality

paired with a ~10% IPC increase would give it basically kaby lake's IPC and clock parity

>> No.61499866

>>61499690
that belongs to ibm. how could it be bullshit?

>> No.61499903

>>61499690
this >>61499866 too, IBM is basically borrowing their silicon process that they use on POWER8 and (soon) POWER9 to AMD, and IBM is already messing around with 5nm GAFETTS too

intel's in for a ride

>> No.61499930

>>61499903
It's not even Intel vs AMD anymore, it's Intel vs IBM, Samsung, Global Foundries and AMD. Fun times.

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>>61489503

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>>61489503
kek

>> No.61500063

>>61487504
>Planned Obsolescence is a-OK
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

>> No.61500080

>>61490833
ddr5 will come out before zen 2 and amd will break their am4 compatibility promise

>> No.61500103

>>61495779
buy as many GPU's as you can and mine ethereum

>> No.61500556

>>61500080
yeah, no

>> No.61500980

>>61487445
This will go down as the clusterfuck of the century

>> No.61501150

>Land Grid Array

>> No.61502662
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61502662

CPU buyers guide: Get AMD if you need the power to fight, get Intel if you need power to the X when you game.

>> No.61502679

>>61502662
* x = 1

>> No.61502761

>>61495446
You seem kinda assblasted though.

>> No.61502772

4.7g is fast as fuck, what do you use that for?

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61502866

>>61487445

>> No.61502927

>>61498464
26 here

im fed up with this world

>> No.61502950

>>61498464
>>61502927
Just wait faggots, next thing you know you're counting down to 40. It doesn't get better.

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61503037

>>61487522
> What will happen with 18 cores?

>> No.61503078

>>61502950
i cant wait to kill myself like chester

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61503107

>>61487504

>> No.61503138

>>61493347
>>can't transmit PCI-e
>Having an accessible external PCI-e port

It's like you're sexually attracted to evil maids

>> No.61503273

>>61502950
Not planning to live past 30 unless I become a startup millionaire, tbqh famalampai

>> No.61503690

>>61503273
That's what they all say, but they don't have what it takes to initiate the final runlevel and reroll the dice. Do you have what it takes, to become an hero?

>> No.61505557
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>>61489503
ooyyyyyyyy

>> No.61505734

>>61493299
Thunderbolt is a superset of USB-C

Stop talking about things you don't understand

>> No.61506009

>>61502950
34 here. :(

>> No.61506203

>>61487715
>using /v/ermin buzzwords to justify not supporting AMD.
Also yeah I've been gayming on a 1700 since release, no issues.

>> No.61506235

>>61488331
Didn't they cut off water in Detroit?

>> No.61506378

>>61506203
>stop doing things that give me fanboy cognitive dissonance

Sums up /g/ pretty nicely

>> No.61506587

>>61506378
>>61487715

>Ryzen is buggy
Has no clue what those bugs are, but has heard it repeated enough to believe it to be true.
>Gaymen performance
Implying that Ryzen is bad for games
>OC to 5ghz
Unrealistic and not consequential. Typical /v/ermin "higher numbers = better" logic. Just because that's true in WoW doesn't make it true here. Everything else you've listed were launch bugs that have all but dissipated.

Come back with a real, educated criticism.

>> No.61506698

>>61506587
Ryzen isn't bad for games, but Intel is and has been better for nearly a decade now and these brand new chips are underwhelming, just like AMDs GPUs - always late to the party with products that are just barely competitive if at all.

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>>61506698
>Ryzen 7 launches and matches 6900K for half the price
>Ryzen 5 launches and blows up Intel's entire mid-range
>Ryzen 3 launches in a few days, will blow up Pentium and i3's
>Threadripper is already slated to ruin what's left of X299

Go away Brian.

>> No.61507068

>>61507013
Which one should a basic consumer who regularly renders videos and uses blender get?

>> No.61507069

>>61507013
We were talking about gaming performance before you sperged out, but I agree, if I was in the market for a $1000 CPU to shitpost in 30 threads at once, Ryzen would be the way to go.

>> No.61507091

>>61507068
1700 or 1700X.

>> No.61507120

>>61507069
Even with 3200 MHz DDR4, Ryzen comes close enough to 7700K that it barely even matters. No, it's not $100 more expensive. No, it's not mostly incompatible. AGESA 1.0.0.6 improved compatibility by a lot.

>> No.61507416

>>61507120
If you're on 60hz, sure.

>> No.61507502

>>61507416
>10-15 FPS less than 7700K
Yeah that's barely enough for >60 hz for sure.

>> No.61507595

>>61507502
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsDjx-tW_WQ

About 30fps average, and in Sniper Elite, an astounding 131fps lower on Ryzen. Ryzen has poor core performance and it really shows when you remove the bottleneck.

So again, casuals will be fine on Ryzen @ 60hz, but anyone serious about gaming is going to go with Intel for the time being.

>> No.61507623

>>61507595
Nobody plays at 720p you dumb cunt. Newer games will take advantage of more cores and features of newer GPUs, so it's not like the bottleneck will suddenly vanish when GPUs get more powerful either.

>> No.61507750

>>61507623
But people do play at high refresh rates which generally require lowering graphics settings to achieve - This is where Ryzen's poor core performance starts showing. The purpose of low resolution benchmarks is to remove the GPU bottleneck, this is pretty basic stuff.

This is basically the same thing that happened with Bulldozer when it first came out. People were shilling Bulldozer full force because you could get the same performance as Intel at a lower cost, then everyone was blindsided when suddenly you couldn't play any games because Bulldozer couldn't keep up. They too shrugged off the benchmarks that revealed poor core performance.

>> No.61507773

>>61507750
Zen is not Bulldozer, and by the time these new games come out, Zen+ and Zen 2 will be out which will raise IPC and clockspeed at the same time.

Again nobody is playing at 720p low to gain 240 FPS except eSports faggots and idiots who think they have robotic slow motion cameras for eyes.

>> No.61507819

>>61507773
Zen is not Bulldozer, but it's following exactly in Bulldozer's footsteps.

Like I said before, 60hz casuals will be fine on Ryzen, just like they were fine with Bulldozer. However, the question then becomes, for how long?

>> No.61507837

>>61507773
>Zen is fine because you can Just Wait and buy a new one in a few years

Oi Vey!

>> No.61507859

>>61507819
>Newer games will take advantage of more cores and features of newer GPUs

Fucking learn to read. Bulldozer was trash. Zen is not. The single core performance gap is barely there this time around. Intel is moving to 6 cores with Coffee Lake S.

>> No.61507873

>>61507837
As opposed to Intel where an upgrade is never worth it because they never put out anything worth upgrading to, lol.

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>>61507859
>in b4 coffee lake s will have kaby lake clockspeeds and BTFO ryzen

>> No.61507947

>>61507873
That's true, if AMD was actual competition maybe Sandy Bridge would actually be worth upgrading.

>> No.61507963

>>61507859
Even when people read history, they're adamant that it will never repeat itself and yet here we are.

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>>61507947
Fuck off with this "lol Ryzen = Sandy Bridge" shit.
>>61507963
Whatever, keep sitting there jerking yourself off to the idea that Zen is Bulldozer tier.

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