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>Atom: 700 MB
>Sublime: 25 MB

>> No.61001180

>Ed: 24 bytes

>> No.61001204

>700 MB
>close to a GB
>For a fucking text editor
what the fuck

>> No.61001216

Why is Atom so fucking slow?

>> No.61001310

Fuck no.

>> No.61001454
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>Nano: 4.6KB

>> No.61001489

i use vim :o)

>> No.61001499

Why not just install an IDE at that point?

>> No.61001500

Make primives thing like text editor in layer over layer over layer of software, web app are huge mistake, web technologies works for sites like 4chan,Wikipedia,forums,textbooks online.

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>He didn't get the CIA license for free

>> No.61001543

It's written in JavaScript. Welcome to the new generation of "programmers"

>> No.61001550

But I don't wanna get droned.

>> No.61001602

>paying for a text editor

phew. okay.

>> No.61001640

Do you also think people pay for WinRAR?

>> No.61001697

No way, not even under DOS could you fit something with the parsing abilities of Ed's UI into 24 bytes. Even a minimal 8086 hello world in flat binary format comes to like 29 bytes. But these bloated editors ARE a joke, make no mistake.

Notepad++: 7 MB
Nano: 201 KB
Emacs: 34 MB

Even Dev-C++ is just over half the size of Atom, and it's a full (if minimalistic) IDE whose size includes a complete GNU toolchain.

>> No.61001720

>4chan,Wikipedia,forums,textbooks online.
Actually those are decent because they don't make excessive use of web technology. JS is fine for making buttons on websites do stuff when you click them. But I can't even go on news or commercial sites anymore without my browser dropping to 1 FPS because they use Javascript to write video codecs or something.

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>> No.61001756

Is anyone ITT so poor that 700mb is anything but a rounding error?

>> No.61001778
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>Notepad++: 2.70 MB

>> No.61001782

>uses 30% CPU to render a blinky cursor

>> No.61001791

notepad++: 5mb
vim: 2mb
nano: 500kb
ed: 24b
magnetic needle and steady hand: 0b

but yes the trend of horrendously webscale electron-based shitware in 2017 is disturbing

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Atom wasn't meant to actually be used, it's just a bunch of self important developers having a good wank in the way fashion designers and architects do. I can imagine a huge chunk of the code only being contributed because people wanted their names on it. Making a good editor was secondary if not tertiary and beyond.

>> No.61001861

Why did you post a picture of the shitty building that put ROM on verge of bankruptcy after all the hedge fund fucks who pledged millions of dollars bailed on their commitment?

>> No.61001868

How is ed only 24 bits?

>> No.61002048


Here, use this:

>> No.61002057

Cool concept, shitty execution. Having a "hackable" text editor is pretty cool, it's just that it needs to be good.

>> No.61002126


>> No.61002175

>You have a good job right? So why are you complaining that a 40 watt bulb costs $500?

>> No.61002178

"Hackable" is also just an excuse for them to not implement features. Did they ever add a way to *not* open the previous session on startup?

>> No.61002298

Bad comparison. Drive space isn't an issue now. This isn't the 90s anymore.

>> No.61002330

Considering VS Code is electron-based too, but "just" 200 MB while having more functionalities out-of-the-box (like debugging), the devs weren't even trying.

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yeah no just thinking about eclipse makes me want to down half a bottle of something reasonably strong

>> No.61002447

Eclipse is seriously underrated.

>> No.61002450

Why are you assuming people dislike bloat because they have no money? How does money come into play on this?

Are you the same sort of retard who calls everyone who dislikes macs a poorfag?

>> No.61002465

>paying for a text editor, but in hardware to run the shitty javascript

>> No.61002466

it's 40kiB

[email protected]:/tmp/ed-1.14.2# ./ed --version
GNU ed 1.14.2
Copyright (C) 1994 Andrew L. Moore.
Copyright (C) 2017 Antonio Diaz Diaz.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>
This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.
[email protected]:/tmp/ed-1.14.2# size ed
text data bss dec hex filename
34631 1400 2248 38279 9587 ed

>> No.61002477

except in this case the 40 watt bulb costs 24 cents. Even ssd prices are at 34 cents per gigabyte. Even a third world dirt farmer can afford that.

>> No.61002488

source code is 90kiB for ~2500 lines of c

>> No.61002496

I don't think they are taking about "real" ed, just a stub that always prints "?"

>> No.61002519

like I get it has support for all these academic plugins, but it runs so slow on anything pre the last 7 years and its ui is a mess

>> No.61002539

You can just use the infinite evaluation period. Sublime text is the winrar of editors.

>> No.61002553

I'm "a third world dirt farmer" and can't afford a new 2TB HDD, never mind an SSD. The income-to-price ratio isn't the same as in the US.

>> No.61002563

Program size affects more than hard drive space.

>> No.61002568

It's smooth and fast compared to Visual Studio.

>> No.61002569

Wrong. You are confusing GNU ed and Unix ed. If you look at some data from the first edition of Unix which Dennis Ritchie extracted from some old DECtapes you will see ed is 3998 bytes (just under 4KiB)

>> No.61002586

>ui is a mess
Probably, but I've been using it since 2011 and I am super used to the layout. I just know where everything is.

>> No.61002589

sauce: http://ftp.fibranet.cat/UnixArchive/Distributions/Research/1972_stuff/Readme

>> No.61002626

>Not fitting your entire text editor into the L3 cache in 2017.

>> No.61002632


I have 16 GB of RAM. 700 MB would be about 4% of my total RAM usage, however it is not the only program running on my system, and the increasing demands of applications are why I need to have 16 GB, instead of just 8. Moreover, greater RAM usage means that the program will run slower in general because less of that program is able to fit into cache.

I think it's reasonable to expect that a text editor should not use almost as much memory as Minecraft, and more memory than some of my older video games.


Sublime may be proprietary, but it is also hackable with Python extensions.

>> No.61002705

>academic plugins
More reason not to use it then. I really hate academic "softwares".

>> No.61002709

I suppose it has loads of corporate plugins too for codemonkeys
but yeah

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>Atom: 700 MB

Even barebones visual studio is lighter.

>> No.61002817

Came here for the comparison. "My text editor is better than your text editor!".
$ pacman -Qi vim
Name : vim
Version : 8.0.0628-1
Description : Vi Improved, a highly configurable, improved version of the vi text editor
Installed Size : 2,85 MiB

>> No.61002857

No one's talking about RAM here.

>> No.61002967

They're claiming a 700MB text editor is fine because everyone has enough hard drive space. However, for a program to run efficiently it must be loaded into RAM, and RAM is usually several orders of magnitude smaller than hard disk capacity.

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>> No.61003053

I cant exactly say your wrong but memory usage can differ from disk size and no one ITT has posted memory usage data or implied any advantage in that area.

>> No.61003228

I think you're having trouble understanding what's being said. The fact that a program gets loaded into ram during usage is a counter argument against "lol who cares about file size, disc space is cheap".

And while you're right, programs don't have to be entirely loaded into ram at all times due to predictive caching, it's not unusual for it to scale linearly with application filesize. Plus predictive caching from disk to ram will always be slower than having everything in ram anyway.

>> No.61003308

Why would you destroy a building with history for that ugly piece of shit tumor

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>> No.61003897

notepad is the most solid one, too bad theres no linux-meme version of it

>> No.61004375

because history doesn't fucking matter

>> No.61004452

Am I the only person on this planet who uses Geany?

>> No.61004496

Atom is 265MB on macOS

Still a lot for a fucking text editor but I imagine a lot of that is the plug-ins which I have disabled anyways because I just want a nice editor that is easy on the eyes and supports directory windows + split view

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>geany: 9.5MiB

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>there are still people for whom <1GB RAM is a lot
>there are people willing to use inferior software because it uses marginally less RAM
where can i donate RAM sticks you poorfags?

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>Optimized means inferior

>> No.61004722

Probably yeah

>> No.61004741

The only editors are vim and maybe emacs just because they run everywhere including ssh and are highly extensible.

>> No.61004786

optimized for user comfort. but sure, go ahead and dig a hole using tea spoon, it takes less space than a shovel so is better amiright

>> No.61004796

if every program i'm currently running used 700M ram, i'd be at 82G usage right now

>> No.61004835

>Not using VSCode

>> No.61005996


Relative numbers matter, Anon. An application using >100 MB of RAM generally isn't necessarily that big a deal. When that application is a text editor, it's a bit more of a big a deal. When software with more or equivalent features is able to run in less memory, you need to fix your fucking program.

>> No.61006030

this desu

>> No.61006277

Sublime is dead

>> No.61006293

VSCode is written on top of atom shell

>> No.61006865

That implies there's a better alternative.

>> No.61006897

>not writing your own text editor in Java

How many fucking features do you need for a fucking text editor?

>> No.61006946

Still better than Atom

>> No.61007069

Yes, it's called emacs

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VS code is still pretty good, a bit lessed bloated than Atom, but far inferior to Sublime Text

>> No.61007107

except everyone is for the reason of

>> No.61007114

>write a text editor in Java
>can't work on your new text editor using your new text editor because Java is a monstrosity and requires you to use an IDE for anything larger than hello world project
The only positive thing about Java is the jvm.

>> No.61007140

VSCode is far more extensive than sublime ever has been.
It's also proof you can legitimately use electron and have it not be a giant piece of shit, but that ultimately requires the backing of a giant corporation so I guess normies should chill w/ electron.

>> No.61007234

>VSCode is far more extensive than sublime ever has been.
Not too surprising given how poor of an idea it is to only offer some scripting API for extensions instead of a native plugin system.
>It's also proof you can legitimately use electron
Nah. They could have created a decent, as extensible, native framebuffered, still multiplatform text editor with half the manpower.
>and have it not be a giant piece of shit
It's a polishing upgrade to "barely usable". And only, because they wrote the text buffer/parsing in another language. What Atom devs plan to do as well, now. And that will only fix the "big file" issue.
>but that ultimately requires the backing of a giant corporation so I guess normies should chill w/ electron.

>> No.61007433

>shipping a whole web browser just so you can program your shitty language in the only language you understand, javascript
That's why.

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>> No.61007481

Does atom uses electron?

>> No.61008059

Atom is made with electron. A matter of fact, it was the first mainstream program made with electron framework.

>> No.61008478

>The only positive thing about Java is the jvm.
The JVM is fucking garbage. Every part of that dumb project should die, just like clojure that piece of shit.

>> No.61008564

there is notepadqq

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it's built on top of nodejs

>> No.61009024

Considering that it has better compression ratio AND higher speeds than 7z, yeah.

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Here's a bigger version my boy

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Severely underappreciated post.

>> No.61009212

Sublime and Emacs are both as customizable, and neither are as shitty as Atom

>> No.61009219

more of this adorable girl

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>> No.61009266

$~>du -sh .emacs.d
1,8G .emacs.d

hu ho

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>> No.61009307

yeah the JVM is great

>> No.61009315

>ywn cuddle her and grab her cheeks
kill me

>> No.61009318

>pirating a text editor
top fucking kek

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As people have pointed out, you can use the CIA Sublime license if you don't want the nag messages. However, my job requires SFTP'ing into a server, and the S/FTP plugin also requires a separate $30 purchase, or it nags (and causes FTP operations to fail).

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>paying US$70 for a text editor that doesn't even give you future major updates

>> No.61009526

yes, that's even dumber than pirating it

still pirating

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>not pirating a text editor
>not doing the thing that can kill proprietary software

>> No.61009594

it's dying on its own. people that pirate it and make it more popular are keeping it alive, because some of the new users WILL buy the license

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