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>> No.59013076
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>> No.59013082
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Intel BTFO!

>> No.59013104

Jewtel will drop the price of the 7700K/6700K?

>> No.59013106

Oooh look its wccftech.com queue a videocardz.com post following along in 3...2...

Seriously never heard of either of these sites in all my years until I came to this dumpster fire of a board.

>> No.59013121

>I don't know what is a NDA

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>> No.59013167

The low price is less impressive than the low TDP
Intel needs 47% more power to achieve the same speed.

>> No.59013169

have you seen a jew donating money?

>> No.59013170

>drop price
Not if the Happymerchant has any say.

>> No.59013180

Intel doesn't like dropping prices.

They'll just invest billions into marketing and bribes.

They can't offer the i5-7600k at $175 or the i7-7700k at $225 which would be rather competitive prices because they cost more to make. They have an iGPU and are a significantly larger die.

Intel will have to modify their chip layout and release a new socket to truly compete.
They could already have designs they didn't bother making because they were ripping people off so good already, though. That might be why they're rushing Coffee Lake ahead early, to bring new SKUs to market.

TDP != wattage.
It's just a blanket rating for the minimum cooler size needed.
i7-6700k is like a 91W TDP rating but it instead draws around 110watts at load. Will have to wait for real tests and benchmarks to see Ryzen's true performance/watt.

>> No.59013186

and devalue 8 years of marketing?
it will be PR nightmare if they do that

>> No.59013192

Can we shop a picture of a bruised and battered Intel shill? Seeing as how Intel is going to get its ass smashed in anyways.

>> No.59013202

is it true that intel is literally emptying their offices in several key locations world wide after these benches were released?

>> No.59013204

Amada-chan is actually a yandere, who knew

>> No.59013210

Nah. They'll invest money into bribing OEMs to use their chips over AMD's again.

>> No.59013212
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I hope intel finally dies and the PC industry recovers

>> No.59013240

Dell gets a 30% discount for Intel CPUs if they don't use AMD in any of their products

>> No.59013243

You know what would be funny?

If AMD offered a bounty to the OEMs for any evidence of Intel trying to bribe them.

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>> No.59013263

I wouldn't be surprised if that were still happening seeing as how Intel still hasn't paid up for the first time.

>> No.59013292

The thing is, I don't think this same strategy would work again these days.

People don't care so much about "intel inside". The big thing most of them look for is battery life.
Raven Ridge is going to destroy Intel in battery life. An OEM taking a 30% kickback bribe for not using any AMD products at all is going to lose to another OEM whose laptop will play netflix for 15 hours on a battery instead of 12.

>> No.59013316

>good multi threaded performance
>bad single threaded performance

If those rumors about them going after the gaming market is true then they are damn stupid. Their CPU's will be worse than Intel because of that single threaded performance especially with Intel on full panic mode and about to release the 7640k and 7740k with insanely high oc and unmatchable single threaded performance.

I remember them doing the same with the fx line if cpu by bundling in games to appeal to gamers but everyone knew they were shit for games. Why can't they just be normal and market it to the people who will actually buy this stuff because they require the good multi threaded performance e.g. video producers, animators etc. That's still a massive market.

Goddamn amd can't do anything right.

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>the plebs arguing again.

Join VIA and see the light.

>> No.59013330

>Being so brainwashed by the Jew, that you brainwash yourself

So this is the Happymerchant endgame.

>> No.59013343
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Via is a false prophet preying on the feeble minded

>> No.59013365

>AMDfags are excited about performance on par with Intel's from literally 2015
>the only advantage these new chips have is MOAR COREZ and that they're cheap so the poor Brazilians can finally buy a mid-tier CPU
come on guys lol
starting to wonder if AMD is just posting all of this marketing material or something

>> No.59013380

>market to a bunch of people who base all their purchases off digital foundry
>implying digital foundry will do amd any favors and bench games with good multi threaded performance instead of the regular shitters like ac:unity and gta 5

>not just simply marketing the product based on its advantages to people who'd appreciate those advantages I.e. people who do media production

>> No.59013410

>>>>>>90-95% the single threaded of an i7-6700k is bad
Go shill somewhere else.

>> No.59013416

These shill posts are just pathetic.
Ryzen single core perf/clock is in the range of Haswell-Broadwell.
Stay in /v/ with the rest of the little kids.

VIA's highest performance part is like 20% slower than an Athlon 5350.

>> No.59013421

>defending jew prices

>> No.59013428

gayms don't need single threading anymoar

>> No.59013432
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No, the problem for you isn't the marketing.

The problem for you, you Intel shill, is you're upset that the pricing literally makes Intel look like a massive group of Jews and you want AMD to raise prices in order to keep the status quo.

Fuck off.

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>mfw Intel 2015 performance is essentially Intel 2017 performance
Post yours as well anons!

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How does he constantly wreck so much shit?

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How exactly is XFR going to work? Temperature isn't the only limit when it comes to OC, at some point the voltage just fries the CPU and it can degrade it even at lower levels. Surely they have an upper limit for the voltage? What about warranty. This is pretty confusing.

>> No.59013473

reminder the man no longer works for AMD, ryzen's glory days are short-lived

>> No.59013476

What the fuck are you talking about? You can't even refute my points because you know it's true. Enjoy the media trashing amd despite the new cpu's being good because they're advertised as gaming cpu which can't match Intel in single threaded performance (as a 9/10 games). Don't say I didn't want you.

>> No.59013487

>his legacy won't live on, ushered in by the chosen pajeets

>> No.59013499

I know you want me, but your homosexuality is irrelevant.

>> No.59013510

>advertised as gaming cpu
Ha, nice one. Your bait was almost coherent.

>> No.59013513

Ask your mom.

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You non-believers must be working for the Demon King Freescale.

Trying to guide Humanity away from the light.

Trying to destroy x86.

Trying to Devour the world.

>> No.59013535

>try to talk about the underlying technical aspects of zen
>thread is just shitposing and memes

Jesus Christ, can we get a separate board from consumer electronics fags already?

>> No.59013537

He left 3 future designs to iterate Zen into. AMD is fine for at least 4 years.

>> No.59013560

>tfw have to buy Biostar to be able to get Ryzen up and running in time for Mass Effect Andromeda
What do you guys think of Biostar? I've heard some really bad experience from them.

>> No.59013571

Won't know until NDA is lifted.

There are safeties for voltage for sure and it's also going to monitor stability.

But will it automatically overclock to 4.5Ghz smoothly as long as you have the cooling and there is a bottleneck? Will it overclock/underclock per core? We don't know and probably won't until Feb 28th.

>> No.59013573

>implying the one ryzen booth amd have had so far didn't solely focus on gaming and showed off dota 2 streaming, bf1 gameplay and star wars battlefront

They literally said themselves that it's targeted at the gamer.

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>> No.59013584

The thing is if there are save voltages above the specification, why is the specification that low in the first place?

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Beats the shit out of my Xeon.

Depends on what board you get. Some Biostar boards are bad, others are good (I know there was an LGA 775 board they made that was the best for C2D overclocking), most are fairly meh. Have a Biostar board right now, and aside from some quirks it works.

Biostar is one of those cheap but reliable (again, depends on the board) brands, but don't expect anything fancy out of what they do.

>> No.59013602

>a handful of booths define a marketing campaign
>you wouldn't try to market to every segment
That's why your CPU business failed

>said themselves that it's targeted at the gamer.
prove that it's SOLEY targeted at gamers.

>> No.59013628

>stupid video game benchmarks
>no word of ECC memory support

>> No.59013635

>~$350 consumer CPU

what for?

>> No.59013648
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Never Doubt AMD

>> No.59013653

>it would cost them more meme

You realize the that whole point of smaller architecture is more dies per wafer.Intel has been using the same architecture for years thus been making revenue due to smaller size

>> No.59013656

What exactly qualifies this as a "consumer" CPU?

Avoid that word, by the way.

>> No.59013665

while i would love if these benchmarks turned out to be true they post a lot of bullshit all the time

>> No.59013677

>link to manifest of some sort
>expects to be taken seriously

>> No.59013683

Because the spec doesn't know what your ambient temps are and how good your cooling is.

When it says it has a 3.7Ghz turbo 65W TDP, it has to 3.7Ghz turbo with a cooler designed for 65W TDP when it's 40C ambient.

>> No.59013691

The bullshit they post is usually a lot further out. We're less than two weeks from these things being on shelves, and every leak so far has suggested the same sort of performance. I think it's safe to say that we probably know how Ryzen will perform now, unless every single leak is both fake and part of a coordinated effort.

>> No.59013703

Makes sense. I sure hope that this shit will allow for 4.5 GHz on a custom water cooling loop.

>> No.59013712

>unless every single leak is both fake and part of a coordinated effort

that would rustle /x/ crowd to the skies, heck i'll start believing in alien probes at that point

>> No.59013717

yeah some coordinated effort

literally two sites no one has ever heard of before

it must of cost Advanced Micro Devices hundreds

>> No.59013720


>wccftech is not currytech when it supposed my beloved corporation!

>> No.59013724

Ryzen is a smaller die than the 7700k and 6900k, regardless. And the yields are apparently fantastic.

Yes, the 14nm 7700k should cost less than the 22nm 4690k when it also uses like 20-30% less material and more are made per wafer (I don't know die size for each off the top of my head), but not really half the price.

>> No.59013732

>literally two sites no one has ever heard of before
i hope you don't mean videocardz you newfig

>> No.59013735


>> No.59013747

I discard anything with ghetto/gamer spelling.

>> No.59013757

Difference is that WCCF is trash, VideoCardz is good.

>> No.59013769

>literally two sites no one has ever heard of before

You mean two sites that you've never heard of before, my sweet little new refugee from /v/.

>projecting your pitiful consumerism onto others

I have a 4790K and no need for a CPU right now.

>> No.59013780

>I have a 4790K and no need for a CPU right now.

Sure you do, and I have a Ryzen 1800x right now, just got it from my secret contact.

>> No.59013787

how is your house? still standing?

>> No.59013791


I got a sprinkler system, don't worry.

>> No.59013806

Hahahahaha Intel BTFO

>> No.59013827

I very much doubt you have the money for any high end CPU, friend. People who have nice things don't get flustered at the idea of other people having nice things.

>> No.59013831

>I very much doubt you have the money for any high end CPU, friend.

Nice baseless assumptions, sad AMD pays for such low tier marketers.

>> No.59013852

AMD doesn't pay for marketing. It's actually one of their biggest weaknesses.

>> No.59013856

It seems almost too good to be true, i'll wait for full reviews.

>> No.59013867 [DELETED] 

Yeah I got Ryzen 1700X, wait til NDA expires.

>> No.59013906
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I got this

Bad single core performance isn't that much of a problem. The Ryzen CPUs have enough performance on single core for about 120 FPS in most games, easy, if the graphics card can handle it. Even my CPU manages like 70-80 FPS in GTAV and my single core performance is comparable to AMD FX crap.

At a point where you're dealing with i7 6950K level of single core performance, which is pretty bad mind you, you're high enough that even if a 6700K or 7700K or whatever CPU you got on the low end platform, it won't make enough difference to matter.

The only way single core performance is gonna hold you back is if you have extremely low performance.. like me.

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>> No.59013922

sure they are pajeet, sure they are

im a refugee from slashdot my friend

>> No.59013926

What chip(s)?

>> No.59014081

Its a shitty microcode development chip from the trash bin. Haswell-E 12 core at 2.3 ghz and 72w.

>> No.59014112

Huh. Well, it could be worse.

>> No.59014194
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TDP mean shit. Intel and AMD measure it differently. Both of them frequently go over their rated TDP, even at stock settings.

Picture related, stock Haswell 4670, rated at 84W, draws 110W constantly under heavy load.

>> No.59014213

I'm proud to have helped AMD in their darker times,
with my FX-6300 @ 4 GHz
Now I can reap the reward.

My first AMD was an 80386 @ 40 MHz.

>> No.59014222

It's pretty good considering it's essentially worthless. Certainly ain't gonna say no to that power efficiency.

>> No.59014223

My Pheon II x2 550 never went over its TDP rating on stock, even had to OC it really hard to break over the TDP.

>> No.59014272

Is it finally time to upgrade my i5 2500k? Or should I just slap on a new video card for when vive 2 comes out?

>> No.59014286

>4 core chip
Nah m8

>> No.59014298

lol VR is 99.95 GPU and a bit of HI-SPEED memory

>> No.59014357

No, that has been happening since they started sacking the validation departments in 2013

>> No.59014370

Keep telling that you'reselfe 4 core cuck

>> No.59014384

>sacking validation
B-but why.
It's one of the most time consuming process in chip development.

>> No.59014400

one look at the figures and results of today will tell you the prospects of tomarrow

is this news to you?

>> No.59014413

That's why
Gotta compete with muh ARM

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>his face when Ryzen

>> No.59014524

>if i talk like smarts they will surely think i know what im talking about!!
See this? This is you right now.
Go back to /v/, reddit or wherever you came from.

>one look at the figures and results of today will tell you the prospects of tomarrow
So, 4 cores being hardly enough for VR today, will show me that 4 cores won't be enough for VR tomarrow.
Got it.

>> No.59014606

Guys should I upgrade from i5 3470? The problem for me is that I can't sell my old stuff.

>> No.59014612
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This. This right here.

>> No.59014649

You should buy ten 6950X's.

>> No.59014747

you the real MVP anon

>> No.59014852

Can't wait to see what the highest end model brings to the table.
I think we're going to see a wave of people finally upgrading their 2500k and 2600k, since this is pretty much the first upgrade that makes sense price and performance wise.

What comes after this, that's what interests me the most.
Single core performance has stagnated like crazy and I don't think we're going to see anything dramatic going on there.
I think this is about the last CPU generations that people are going to upgrade to.
Just think how long your previous CPU lasted, if you now upgrade to Ryzen, you're looking at least a decade of use out of it.
Unless we're going to return to the insane performance increase curve that we saw 10 years ago, there's no reason for anyone to upgrade after this and the desktop CPU market is going to dry up before 2020.
New materials for CPUs can't become reality fast enough. Silicon is fucking dead.
Hope this lights a fire under Intel's asses and forces them to finally go and push the new tech or materials to production.
After all there's no way in hell they can compete with this price to performance ratio in any way imaginable.

>> No.59014859

this is my boat, 2500k 4.5Ghz masterrace
Finally a CPU upgrade thats worth it.

>> No.59015127

I think its time to put my old faithful 2600k that has been chugging along at 4.6 to rest.

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>> No.59015168

back to >>>/v/ with your shitty memes

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I sure hope this isn't another fury.

>> No.59015188

Go back to shill HQ to get a beating.

>> No.59016781

This x1000

>> No.59016970

I dont get it

>> No.59017005

I think these are going to sellout in hours at least the 1700 will. Its going to be a fucking nightmare getting one. I am preordering fuck it.

>> No.59017245

In case you want to run with huge amounts of RAM and never reboot.

>> No.59018066

lol no

>> No.59018085

Remember that autistic dipshit who was swearing up and down in every thread that Ryzen would cost $700?

>> No.59018790

There has been no official price reveal yet anon

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But there have been various leaks from retailers.

>> No.59019002

I might do a full rebuild with the 1800X 3 months after their release.

>> No.59019738

im so hypped

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FFS you idiots, all of these so-called "leaks" are just that Fakes. AMD is literally fucking selling you snake oil right now. They are playing you idiots by releasing these fake benchmarks so people will get hype and you idiots give them free advertising. When the real benchmarks come out it will be either inline with similar intel chips or even sligthly slower. And AMD doesn't have to explain shit because these "leaks" benchmarks are not official.

>> No.59019856

Im male but this image actually makes me moist.

>> No.59019869

What is AMD going to release as their top chip? Or is this 6c/12t chip the top one? Have there been any leaked pics or specs of motherboards yet?

>> No.59019971

wow a whole $160 worth of savings sign me up

>> No.59020009
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if only such a network existed that would send information at a speed of light and searched for everything you'd ever want to know

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>FFS you idiots, all of these so-called "leaks" are just that Fakes

>> No.59020030

I'll probably be getting a zen, but single core is generally still more important for the average user.

>> No.59020047

Shit. Late to the party. I made that move years ago.

>> No.59020742


>> No.59020766

Did we get any OEM conteact "leaks" yet or any "leaks" at all from a reputable website?

>> No.59020812

NDA end this month

>> No.59021990


Sense MI.

On the fly clock speed, voltage, temperature adjustment. That measures in single digit degrees, millivolts, and 25hz adjustments.

That's fed in to the loop of Infiniti Fabric which is Hyper Transport 2.0 for next generation branch prediction and machine learning.

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>> No.59023027

there is a performance parity point.

Not many people play games at 120fps+
not many people have 400$+ gpus
not many people even have i7's
even fewer people overclock even if they have an overclockable cpu.

If zen is even just to sandybridge, the single core is good enough, but no, it looks to be at least broadwell.

most people will never run into issues with this cpu, but most people will benefit from the headroom a 6 or 8 core brings, and at worst, will have i7 like performance for less then 200$ new., and that is key, new.

Old motherboards are getting to the point caps are going to be dieing of age, if they were even of quality to begin with, this makes the used market appealing unless you get a hell of a deal, and with intel parts, you aren't.

>> No.59023153

kek, intel is still wrecked

>> No.59023174

hate to break it to you, I really do, but a core 2 duo first run is enough for normal computer use.

I KNOW, really sucks, but its true. I have more then 10 tabs open, that already puts me outside of normal peoples computer use by a WIDE margin.

This is why the desktop is 'dying' no one needs a new more powerful one and even walmart shit boxes are overkill for what people use them for.

You want to market 'hey this cpu is a great facebook cpu' then you slit your fucking wrists right there because enve arm can do that.

No what you do is you take the most common demanding thing a normal person would do, play a videogame, and show them how its fantastic for that purpose. Has there ever been a cpu that was amazing for games, but shit for literally everything else?

The people who use workstations generally do not build the computer

Servers are going to use whatever is best, not what marketing tells them to

But normal consumers, a segment of the market that amd literally wrote off as non growth for zen, you market to them with games.

So long as intel isn't fucking you through oems, a good cpu will find its way everywhere, but people who game, a good number also build computers.

>> No.59023199

a good number do, even if they multi thread, they hammer the absolute fuck out of one more then the others, actual good threading is never going to happen outside of outliers even when vulcan and 12 take off.

That said, ryzen looks to be good enough single thread, and pair it with the auto overclock (still stock), will kick the shit out of any stock intel.

>> No.59023244

he designed zen, and left them a road map through zen + and given amd from bulldozer to excavator was improving ipc by margins of 15%+ in some iterations, not intels but real ipc, even without him, a good base cpu at amd can be taken far.

>> No.59023350

amd has a fuck load of thermals sensors on the chip, along with voltage regulators, Its likely, and this is conjecture, That amd can look at per core speed/temp and tweak on the fly, along with seeing if some part of the cpu needs more voltage or less to push it just that bit further.

All of which is likely hard coded into the cpu for peak limits of xfr, manually over rideable, or possibly a function of the bios reading the cpu. the tdp will likely be given to the cpu from bios for what the motherboard can handle at its peak without risking the motherboard.

That way the cpu knows the limits of the cpu, and the limits of the motherboard, and its never pushed farther then what could be claimed for warranty.

seeing as next to no one overclocks, and ryzen is basically equal ipc to kabby, and canrad got their cpu to 5ghz on a single core without even pushing anything (validation board could not handle a full cpu overclock) its likely stock 1X00x cpus will kick the shit out of any intel in that price range and will show it in benchmarks even on a stock cooler as the wrath is about on par with a 212.

>> No.59023364

>Makes sense. I sure hope that this shit will allow for 4.5 GHz on a custom water cooling loop.

4.5 is doable on air coolers, much less water loops.

>> No.59023434

Only thing I care about is games.

Will a $300 ryzen beat a $300 i7 in games? If not then it's a no buy

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>Only thing I care about is games.

>Will a $300 ryzen beat a $300 i7 in games?
In any game that utilizes more than 4 cores, yes, otherwise expect similar performance.

>> No.59023654

Simply truth is that it doesn't matter which one you buy in 90% of games. For the other 10% of games it's 5fps one way or the other.

In 4-5 years the the 6 core will absolutely rape the 4 core, when you buy a brand new GTX 1380 or Radeon Rage Pro Fury or whatever AMD's naming scheme lottery comes up with by then

>> No.59023926

You also have to factor in motherboard costs, AMD motherboards might be a bit cheaper.

>> No.59023952

vr of tomorrow will be more heavily bottlenecked by the gpu unless some real advancements are made on the physics side, and even then, would be better to use the gpu instead of cpu for that.

Not to mention 4k vr, which will demand more of the gpu then cpu.

90hz is the requirement for vr, or at least what is recommended for vr, and a quad core is pushing almost anything coded half way decent to 90.

Would still recomend 8 core for future proofing, seeing just how long 4 cores lasted us.

>> No.59023971

4 cores only lasted for so long because of certain kike company.

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>> No.59024050

no, look at programs, outsider of rendering, not really demands much out of a cpu, and the few that do, scale with core count, still perform more than satisfactory at 4 cores.

If intel brought out a 6 core at i7 prices, would programs suddenly bloat to require that?

for games you have a good argument to make that they would have utilized more cores sooner then they have, but still, require more cores is the key.

>> No.59024119

My dad works for AMD so I know this is false, but good shop

>> No.59024133

Get raped and kill yourself, you retarded fucking faggot sack of nigger shit with down syndrome.

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It's scared.

>> No.59025789

You deserve to be gassed, you subhuman piece of shit. Your mother deserves to be stoned to death for not having you aborted, you fucking shit stain.

>> No.59025799

Holy shit Brian, that's very rude.

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intel btfo

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>> No.59025948


Wouldn't even be mad, go get you some godhood, mom!

>> No.59025991


>What would people even do with more cores that cost less for near equal single core performance? They are over buying CPUs they don't even need! The fools!

I also had a good chuckle at the "bloat" of software. As if coding for two cores is suddenly more wasteful than four.

>> No.59026080

Didn't AMD say Zen+ was going to be 15% on top of that?

>> No.59026081

You colossal faggot. I also know a Brian on here, and now I know why he keeps thinking he runs into me on here. Stop breaking anon

>> No.59026320

The Fury was good, problem was, it just wasn't great. And it really only became relevant in the past months since the 1060/480 launched and were sometiems same price or more then those hilarious Fury Nitro deals.

>> No.59026345

It'll probably be slightly better.
>tfw no socket change a year
Feels good. I'll just get the 1700 now and sell it when zen+ comes out.

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who gives a fuck? Cannonlake will destroy this shit.

>> No.59026383

ebin, simply ebin.

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>doing anything relevant

>> No.59026474

>tfw rx480+1200x pc for under $600
>will have better performance than a 7600k+1060 6gb

>> No.59028381

I'd love to see a x265 benchmark because it's the heaviest daily task on my PC.

>> No.59028384

So when are the Zen based APU's coming out?

I'm considering getting one to have the ultimate HTPC

>> No.59028632

holy FUCK Intel shills BTFO

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>> No.59028702

Probably in a year... since AMD is AMD.

The sad thing is that the weak CPU cores were the only thing holding back AMD APUs for the past few years.

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>> No.59028738

Fuckin sake can we get some real sources on this?

You guys are going to be in tears come march.

>> No.59028790

RISC was always meant to be better anyways.

>> No.59028809

4 months, concurrent with Vega or just afterwards.

>> No.59028838


No socket change for the next four years brougham.

>> No.59028884


Evenmoreso if you're aware of the fact that Cinebench is a rigged POS benchmark heavily biased towards intel

proof: http://www.overclock.net/t/1430288/maxon-cinebench-r15/40#post_20894831

>> No.59028947

Why don't they use MSVC or GCC instead of Intel Compiler?

>> No.59029057
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>You want to market 'hey this cpu is a great facebook cpu' then you slit your fucking wrists right there because enve arm can do that.

Intel has been getting around this problem for YEARS. It's called marketing. Those same people you claim don't need new CPUs are quite often dumb enough to fall for Intels "your computer is 2 years old!? Upgrade goy!"

You are right though, the desktop market is overstated thanks to Intel, and the company would be crippled and forced to have major layoffs if the desktop CPU market bubble popped and adjusted to the average consumers NEEDS. But The CPU desktop market would really need to suffer in order for AMD to be hurting, since they've trimmed the fat (See: feminist frequensee and other retarded shit). AMD, for the most part, only stands to gain from this.

Intels marketing will actually marginally benefit AMD and will greatly benefit them if they run a counter Ad-campaign to tote themselves as a competitor and better choice.

"Tired of upgrading every 2 years? Stop buying inferior products! Buy AMD! Our last major processor lineup lasted 5YEARS!"

>> No.59029218

>Old motherboards are getting to the point caps are going to be dieing of age
No they are not. Modern motherboards are designed to last for at least 10 years.

>> No.59029691

you are taking what I said wrong. look at what normal people use, look at what normal people do.

None of those programs require 4 cores, and they rarely require more than one, If we suddenly had 6 or 8 cores, would the programs either start being made so shitty that they now require 6 or 8 cores or can't run? would they even benefit from the extra cores?

Its not that intel was holding us back. they were holding back and that's not deniable, but holding us back... no.

Once dual core cpus came out, you had the power to offload processes to another cpu and that was the end, any normal person who has a dual core cpu has all the power they will need, and we have made huge fucking strides since the first dual core power level.

>> No.59029706

no, amd has said shit about zen plus, only the normal marketing wank.

>> No.59029722

I was going to build a new computer. Should I wait until ryzen release now ?

>> No.59029746


You have to wait until the 28th to find out if you do or not.

>> No.59029751

you think companies put top shelf shit on the motherboards.

>> No.59029756

Alright, I'll hold my purchase until then. I really hope they're good CPUs.

>> No.59029777


The entire PC industry is hoping so too.

>> No.59029795


Yes they did. Way back when they first revealed Zen in an investors call and stated that the die shrink alone to 14nm was enough to get them the 40% IPC increase. The road map listed Zen Plus with an additional +15% ipc boost the following year.

>> No.59029960

Russians? do we have another murder in the making?

>how is your house? still standing?
you wouldn't go that far would you?

>> No.59030056

You can probably build that for under $500. Probably close to $400. Depends whether you go SSD or not and how much you want to skimp here and there. There's cases as cheap as $20, for example.

About 4-6 months or so. H2 2017.

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Ah my fucking sides. What are you going to do with it? put in in the new m/b the other contact sent you.

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>Skylake die-shrink

>> No.59031589

I really want to believe. Please AMD, don't fuck it up.

>> No.59031604

I have a FX4300 but I don't play games. Any reason to upgrade?

>> No.59031614


>> No.59031809

The funny thing is all these people not knowing that Cannonlake is mobile only. No desktop enthusiast CPUs.

Intel is dead.

Also check Intel stock. 42 PEG ratio. They're highly overvalued and going to crash and burn.

>> No.59031821

yeah. 50-75% lower power usage and upgrading is fun

Just get an 1100.

>> No.59031850

>Ryzen 1600X $260 CINEBENCH R15 Benchmark, Matches Intel’s $430 i7 6800K
Keep in mind that there's hidden expenses with AMD, like no iGPU and more expensive mobos.

>> No.59031861

>more expensive than X99
>no IGP
Broadwell-E doesn't have one either, you fucking kike.

>> No.59031867

>More expensive Mobo's
>Lack of igpu is a hidden expense

Fuck me this is ACTUAL disinformation

>> No.59031914

Not really, but the low end Zens will produce less heat and so:
1. Will eat less electricity
2. Will require less cooling, meaning quieter computing.

We're talking like 40W savings though, nothing massive, but that means a fair bit quieter. Who needs fans at all?

>> No.59031923

It was fucking awful for its price.

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>doesnt like truth
>spits dummy out and pulls the "jew" card.

>> No.59031959

I already picture it. In 4 years:

>AMD jew, stop paying for less
>just wait for netburst2 Intel will bury AMD
>Intel poors

etc. etc.
History truly goes in spirals.

>> No.59031964

can this person be banned? there is no way they aren't some paid shill trying to spread misinformation.
no one is actually as stupid as this guy

>> No.59031986

I think you underestimate the power at load for those CPUS
It's about 50 watts at idle and 185watts at load.

The 1100 is probably going to be like 6-9 watts at idle and 50-75 at load.

Bulldozer was so power efficient that the 1100 may literally use less power at load than the FX 4300 does at idle.

>> No.59031997

Bulldozer was so power INEFFICIENT, I meant

>> No.59032009

The lack of an iGPU kills it.

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>> No.59032038

>Raven Ridge APU + RX 560 in dual graphics mode
Maybe it won't be so shit this time around

>> No.59032043

You fuckwits believing people get paid to post on these boards.
The majority here are either kiddies or freaks who still live at home with no fucking job.
Take the tin foil hat off and go get some fresh air you fucking spazz

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>> No.59032061

not even a child can be as dumb as

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>More expensive than 2011-X
>20$ in case you're an underage without any spare parts is a significant """hidden expense"""

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>thinking AMD dont lie a much as any other business.

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Pic related are Aussie Dollars

Now fuck off

>> No.59032157


Especially considering Intel is still having yield issues with 14nm.

>> No.59032175

And that shows what exactly.
AMD are as bead as the rest for lies and overhyping.
Australia. No wonder you lot get raped for stuff over there

>> No.59032203

Apart from the already mentioned TDP/SDP differences, Intel HEDT is also quad channel for memory (more power, negligible benefit on desktop) and QPI to the chipset (which has a ~30w TDP itself)

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>AMD are as bead as the rest for lies and overhyping.

Are you retarded? That Asus B350 board is literally 99US$, and we're talking about Aussie prices here.

Show me one X99 board that goes below 150 Burgers.

>> No.59032245

You still need to buy a GPU

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>> No.59032351

The supposed price advantage of AMD vanishes once you factor in the GPU in the TCO

>> No.59032388

I did really wish Ryzen was quad channel but its so far from the biggest issue.

It simply means that DDR4 3200 or higher and lower latency has a tangible benefit.

>> No.59032419

except none of the competing Intel CPUs come with iGPUs.
iGPUs are irrelevant to the target audience of high end CPUs, which are servers, workstations and gayming PCs.
office PCs and laptops are not the target of 8 core CPUs

>> No.59032439

Not every workstation needs a fast GPU.

>> No.59032473

Almost every workstation needs at least decent one.

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>> No.59032503

Intel doesn't sell Xeons with iGPUs either except the very low end 4 core ones.
It's literally a waste of money and TDP to have iGPUs on workstation CPUs

>> No.59032509

Naples MCM will offer 4-6-8 channel memory anyway.

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You either have to lack a chromosome or do it for free.

None of the 2011-X chips I know about feature an iGPU, and even if they do, many boards do not possess any ports for that anyway. You will be in the very same situation.

And for that, any shitty video card for 20$ will suffice for a decent video output and acceleration. If you game, do other workloads requiring muh Terafloppies and/or need 200 video outputs at 3840X2160, there will be a dedicated GPU anyway.

Pic related even features a B350 board from MSI at 79$.

We're now about 70$ from the cheapest X99 one available, an ASRock X99 Extreme3 for currently 151.98$ AFTER a promo on a specific retailer.

Not to mention that B350 isn't even going to be AMD's low-end platform.

Fucking kill yourself.

>> No.59032599

>the very low end 4 core ones.

>> No.59032614

That's a lot of damage control for the lack of an iGPU

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>> No.59032636

You know the good Intel boards disable the iGPU right?

Oh, no, you don't know that because you're retarded.

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>> No.59032666

>Single socket
>4-Core, 8 Threads
exactly as I told you
No Intel CPU with more than 4 cores has an iGPU

>> No.59032669

>CPU: Intel Xeon processor E3-1585 v5,
Single socket FCBGA 1440,
4-Core, 8 Threads, 65W
>Graphics: 1 DVI-A, Graphics from AST2400

Uses a third party chip that isnt even a proper GPU

I find your attempts to damage control quite amusing.

>> No.59032790

Saving up for 1700X system now.

Intel, it's been a good ride since Conroe, I preordered that E6600 and was damn happy with it.
But now you've done upped the prices too much.

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Ok kiddo

>> No.59033052

They don't. But just as they lack in drivers, they lack in instructions. Try memeing around with your Ryzen in the real world, come back with performance.

>> No.59033063

They both have good drivers and they have every instruction needed.
kiketel BTFO.

>> No.59033065

guys there's less than 2 weeks to go where are the coolers I'll need for muh 1700x?

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>> No.59033614


No, they will tell OEMs not to use AMD.

>> No.59033654

it it has twice as many threads, why it isn't twice as good compared with the 7700k? it gets barely 15% better score

>> No.59033675

>it it has twice as many threads,
Uhh, the 1600X is a 6 core.

>> No.59033689

Thought it had 6c/12t my guy

>> No.59033714

The AMD one is 6c/12t and is clocked 20% lower compared to the 7700k and so is the 6850k Intel

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>> No.59033721

more virtual threads means jack shit for benchmarks. they matter more when CPU isn't always running at 100%

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>twelve is twice as many as eight
>9.875 to 12544 is a 15% increase
Shills can't into math

>> No.59033733

So many blatant Intel shills all over 4chan, it's ridiculous.

>> No.59033745


>> No.59033822

So I noticed the main "argument" shills have is single core performance of corelet CPUs (entry i7 and i5 with jacked up base clocks).

Normalfags are retarded enough to believe this argument because they don't care/know about overclocking and all they see is m-muh jigahertz. All normalfags see is a slightly higher single core score and that settles it for them, but they ignore the fact 6 core and 8 core ryzen chips compete with i7 6800k, 6850k and 6900k which also have "lower" single core scores (1700-1900) purely because they run at a lower base clock.

>> No.59033864

Why would you need an iGPU?

>> No.59033870

The most jewish company award

>> No.59033927

>no igpu

>has ecc support


>> No.59033955

N-no, goyim, you don't need that ECC thing. Buy Intel™, they care about consumer.

>> No.59033976

>Uses a third party chip that isnt even a proper GPU

>> No.59034174

>using hurrdurr again
You act like it's such a major inconvenience for it not to have an iGPU

Not only does it not effect the people who would buy Ryzen right now, those it would can literally buy a dGPU with far better performance since Intels iGPUs suck. I've seen deals where after rebate, the gpu is free.

Or you could cannibalize a GPU from an older build.

Stop being a little Jew who needs everything set up at start. I bet you use Windows 10 since you can't think for yourself.

>> No.59034266


Waste of space.
Anyone on this board has a dedicated GPU.

>> No.59034288

>those it would can literally buy a dGPU with far better performance since Intels iGPUs suck
...Except if you're powering 120+ different desktops with an AMD card and need to share resources-

>> No.59034370

How does this use case fit into consumer and enthusiast market?
You should see a medical specialist, anon.

>> No.59034398

Do you not host your own virtual desktop server at home? Jesus Christ, what a pleb. Go back to >>>/v/ kiddo

>> No.59034401

to backdoor your desktop to the NSA

>> No.59034424

That wasn't really my point but I agree.

>> No.59034436

>Anyone on this board has a dedicated GPU.
How so? Because they're all from /v/ or college dropouts pretending to work with GPGPU?

>> No.59034487

>criticizing it for not having an iGPU since most users don't buy GPUs
>moving the argument to a very, very, niche problem

Patrick Baitman.

>> No.59034511

120 would be a server workload requiring a server CPU, and probably spread over several boxes for load balancing and HA anyway.
Ryzen isn't designed for this so it doesn't matter. If you need such insanity, you'll have to wait for Naples or get jewed by Intlel.

>> No.59034527

nah you're a college dropout pretending to be a programmer or knowledgeable about IT

>> No.59034538

How hot does it get though? AMD CPU's get notoriously hot.

90 degrees Celsius?

>> No.59034561

No, that's Intel and their godlike TIM. Zen is very cold.

>> No.59034587

As opposed to intel and their shitty TIM that results in 90C temps and requires de-lidding to get under control?

>> No.59034590


You'll need to buy "special" CPU coolers for them.

>> No.59034594

>bitching about muh lanes and muh igpu
>has ecc support and is almost half price

What the fuck more do you faggots want jesus buttfucking christ.

>> No.59034601

U what? 1800-1700-1600-1400(x) will have new Wraith. That's it.

>> No.59034627

Uh, what?
I don't even understand how your brain works.

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>Just reading headlines

Literal damage control mode

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>caring about stock coolers

they are even p. good for stock

>> No.59035005


Man, imagine how fucking good it must feel to be an oldfag AMD employee. You were there in the glory days of Athlon XP, etc., you then watched Intel cheat, lie, and bribe while at the same time wrecking your shit in chip advances. You watched the company collapse into near irrelevance after some misfires, and your job with them became a source of derision and jokes. "Might not want to put that you worked at AMD on your resume, lol"

But there was a sliver of hope that someday, it could be turned around. You heard the news that the legend himself was brought in to help with the new chip designs.

Did he still have it in him? Had his glory days passed?

Years passed, and the rumors of the beast that was forming solidified. You saw the benchmarks, you knew the price point AMD was going to hit, and you knew that the smug fuckers at Intel who had been rolling over you with generations of minor upgrades were finally going to get their shit wrecked.

Damn right I'd be grinning.

>> No.59035028

Ugh IDK What I want, the future proofness of the 1600x or the cheapness of the 1400x.

>> No.59035300

What's with all these Wintel fly-by-night benchmarks? Ryzen might be hot shit but I'm not going to believe anything until I see the SPEC benchmarks.

>> No.59035362

>Major software companies are "fly by night"
>A five man non-profit isn't

>> No.59035389

>"SSE4" not even found on the paper

You just lost a free bump

>> No.59035410

>2018/2019 HPC chip even bothering with 10 year old SIMD


>> No.59037141

to waste more power

>> No.59037238

>F-F-F-FAKE NEWS!!!!!!

>> No.59037980

just logged on
does it have an igpu tho?

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>intelfags on suicide watch

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I enjoyed your image senapi, really funny desu

>> No.59038736

d-delet this

>> No.59040439

How will intel recover?

>> No.59040489

Yea im calling bs on that unless you got a source.

>> No.59040571

>The majority here are either kiddies or freaks who still live at home with no fucking job.
You imagine that one person is dedicated to this board, when in reality it's likely 20 people and one of their tabs is 4chan. they just make 10-20 shitposts an hour on boards that can find and deal with spambots. We already know microsoft did it with 10, what's so far fetched about intel spending a few hundred dollars a day for guerrilla marketing?

>> No.59040634

Honestly. anyone looking at ryzen right now is going to have a dedicated GPU. I cant wait for their apu's to be awesome as well.

>> No.59040670

What are the odds the single core performance will blow like it usually does on AMD and thus, wont be so hot for games?

>> No.59040690

SPEC is the gold standard, wintel-type benchmarks made by product sellers isn't

>> No.59040691

Really low if you look at/believe any of the leaked single core benchmarks.

>> No.59040699

Zero. The entire point of Zen was to fix lackluster single core perf and energy efficiency of bulldozer. Basically they threw bulldozer in the trashcan the same way Intel did with NetBurst and started over from zero.

>> No.59040723

People like you are what's wrong with this world and thid board. U just can't accept anything. If you are buying a cpu like Ryzen you are probably gonna buy a seperate gpu so no need for igpu, are u literally retarded, igpus are just a waste of space on the cpu nowadays. You are so fucking stupid, if I saw u in front of me I would fucking rage so hard. U are fucking mentally retarded to be asking shit like that fucking Intel jew, go suck off that 6700 igpu or whatever it is you'll never use it anyway go pay that 400$ for it u fucking retard. I am so pissed rn at how dumb u are, u are ruining this board and just making an idiot out of yourself. Please just stay off the internet in general if u are gonna ask questions like these u fucking attention seeking intel bastard. All u guys want is attention now because amd is the only one doing stuff. I bet you still live in your mum's house and suck ur dad off for that nice 6700 igpu. ITS SO NICE HAVING AN IGPU LOOK AT ME AMDFAGS HAHAHA AMD IS FINISHED NO IGPU, AMD BTFO. SHUT THE FUCK UP I WILL KILL YOU YOU STUPID FAG, STOP POSTING USELESS THREADS LIKE THESE U FUCKING RETARD. U made me so mad I wanna punch the wall and hope there's you on the other side so it would shatter your dumb skull you stupid fuck. I bet you are gonna make another shit thread after this one gets removed because it is SHIT just like your igpu and your shit intel cuck cpu. So fuck off to another board or off 4chan, because u can't handle us or even basic logic like why there isn't an igpu in ryzen cpu's. Can't wait for the release to see you cry and be mad at yourself for spending so much of your dad's money on a shit intel cpu with an igpu u won't ever need. JUST FUCK OFF!! AND IF U EVER MAKE A THREAD LIKE THIS AGAIN, I WILL MAKE SURE YOU WILL NEVER VISIT THIS SITE AGAIN. So bye intelfaggot and I hope I'll never get to see you or one of your threads ever again!!

>> No.59040728


it won't 'blow', but it's not amazing. zen will be about sandy/ivy ipc but will make up for it with competitive pricing.

>> No.59040731

>synthetic benchmarks


Where are the gaming benchmarks?

>> No.59040749

>zen will be about sandy/ivy ipc
Ain't what the benchmarks have been saying. We Broadlel now.

>> No.59040764


all credible leaks have shown ipc on par with sandy/ivy. the only people claiming has/broadwell tier perf are AMD marketing employees and shills trying to drum up hype.

>> No.59040765

oh sweet ill upgrade from my old i5 4690 soon my motherboard is starting to poop itself

>> No.59040769
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Like there's a massive difference between Ivy and Broadwell anyway

>> No.59040774

It kinda worked. I clearly remember AMD shills making daily threads about how the FX line is all you need, why pay more for intel etc.

Course after their marketing budget ran out, you had all of these poor kids posting about how they "fell for the FX meme" and people started wising up.

>> No.59040782

Hey man I want that 6%.

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The tears will all be over.

>> No.59040790

I saw this pastas birth 2 days ago. I need a life.

>> No.59040800

I cant prove you wrong but i hope you look back 8 days from now and realize

>> No.59040825


In which benchmark?

Everything is pointing Haswell/Broadwell single core performance in most workloads.

>> No.59040878

Its working guys keep buying AMD!!

>> No.59040882

that's not due to die shrink, but to architectural change.

>> No.59041815





>> No.59042039

Only the Fury X was really.

>> No.59042425

>Damn right I'd be suckin Su and Keller's dicks

>> No.59042476


Why the fuck would you use SSE4 for when you can do 16TFLOPs of single instruction for under 200 watts?

Not to imagine I bet it has good 512bit op performance, too.

And whatever GL you're programming in has its own SIMD type of functions.

holy fuck you're a moron. You know these acronyms, but don't know their actual application or how any of this works.

>> No.59043155

marketing wank, and old marketing wank at that.

>> No.59043175

They are over here: >>>/v/

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