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Post your component list, rate other anons', ask questions in general.

Always state the purpose of your PC, your budget, AND YOUR COUNTRY if outside the USA.
If you are asking for improvements, clarify whether you want to lower price or to improve specs or build quality.

>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons by vendor and compatibility filter.

>Gaming builds based on purpose or display resolution / Hz
>To activate the Description, select build from sidebar then click on the title over the parts list
>Description contains notes, other options, and build skeleton for easy customization / cost savings

>Have a budget, but don't know where to start? This will recommend you a parts list based on price.
>Consider substituting an i5 6500 for the i3 in any RX470/480 or GTX 1060 tier build
>Consider stock fan+heatsink for any i3 or locked i5 build
>Consider a B150 mobo for any i3 build
>Add a 240GB SSD to the "Very Good" tier build

>General build advice including chipset compatibility, power supply advice, Windows activation information.
http://pastebin.com/9Pbm4nHL (embed)

>Information about how to assemble a PC, how to select components, etc.

If you see any other build advice or part list threads, direct them here with >>>/g/pcbg

Previous thread >>58097650

>> No.58117933

pls help

I have a new Msi 1070 and there is a squeeky noised from one of the fans what the fug is this

my fan will die???

>> No.58118231


Go google it.

>> No.58118338

I did and everyone just discusses coil whine which it definitely is not

>> No.58118343

Zotac 1070 mini is decent or should I just go with FE?

>> No.58118383

In any search engine, you can remove words from results.
For example, I did this-
>"Squeaky noise MSI 1070 -"coil" "

And got this link

>> No.58118397

If you actually read the thread and yes I did see this result they go on to just talk about capacitors, nothing with the fans

>> No.58118410

What with Kaby Lake being the blunder of the century, would it be wiser to build my next PC with Skylake or is Ryzen showing some promise?

>> No.58118515
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>> No.58118558

can you give me a sitrep on EVGA ram

>> No.58118576
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Unless you need to upgrade right fucking now there is no harm in waiting to see if ryzen comes out good. Certainly what AMD have shown off looks promising.

>> No.58118762

Patented black heat spreader technology is fastest at running from cops. It is particularly suited for running TOR exit nodes. Green text adds an environmentally friendly edge that makes it the best RAM for bitcoin mining as well. Built in green texts will also make copy pasta more delicious and lies to strangers on Vietnamese finger painting boards believable.

>> No.58118809

There might be plastic strip in fan

>> No.58118825

Why do retards save and re-post stupid shit like this? Nothing in that image has been manufactured for years.

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>> No.58118874

I need a mobo with shitloads of regular pci slots
I accidentally got shipped 10 pci sata cards and amazon said i could keep them
So im thinking massive fuckton of storage build, as each card has 4 sata connectors

Also need a psu with lots of sata power connectors

And a case with like 10-20 3.5" possible mounts/bays, or room to shove alot of modular racks inside it

Total build doesnt have to be fast, isnt gonna be more than just a nas, just want a ton of space possible

>> No.58118901

Is this really true? My friend always insists that SSDs are so much better, but I keep calling him a retard who wasted his money.

>> No.58118913

You know Windows 10 has no PCI drivers

>> No.58118922

Then ill use non-generic drivers
Or just not use windows 10

>> No.58118923

Yeah, next time use that picture to show him he's a retard

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>> No.58119266
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Im replacing my i5-2500 none K version 3.7 top speed

should I wait for these ZEN processors i just heard about
are they gonna have better gaming CPUs around 250$ than intel and when do they come out?

>> No.58119335

I just threw together a small build to hold off until Zen comes out. At some point I'll add a GPU in Crossfire with the APU. Spent $170, how'd I do? I've already got 4GB RAM for it. I know that's low, but I'll be getting 32GB DDR4 when Zen comes around.
>ASRock A68M-ITX R2.0
>400W PSU

>> No.58119350

>crossfire with integrated GPU

>> No.58119366

With APUs you can crossfire with a GPU. APU I selected works with Radeon HD 6570 and 6670 GPUs.

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>((((accidentally)))) send the goyim 10 pci sata cards worth $10
>let the goyim buy hard drives worth $500 afterwards

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I'm still whittling away at this until I'm confident I haven't over or under built it, and I'm looking for any advice you guys have to offer.


Building this thing for gaming. Assume an unlimited budget, but I am holding off in some areas purely because 4K doesn't seem worth it to me yet, and if I do make the jump, the 1080 can still do it. That's why there's only a 1080p monitor for now. I'll swap it out later when I'm more convinced by 4K.

What I really want to know is.
Does anyone have experience with the Phantom? The website claims that without a fan, it has more room for the CPU cooler, but I need to know if that fan is easily removable or if I'm somehow supposed to order it without it, because at present, my cooler is too large to fit while that fan is in place.

Is cooler and motherboard too much or too little? RAM and HDD's are easy for me to compare by the numbers, but I don't know much about CPU heat problems or mobos.

And yes I'll look into an SSD later. Maybe. But I want this thing functioning first.

Also related as I haven't dipped into researching them yet but wouldn't mind having a place to start. What would you say is the best M&K?

First time building one of these. I'm sure there are mistakes.

>> No.58119377

Lol didn't knew. My last AMD was a Phenom II i believe, since Q6600 i'm with Intel.

>> No.58119380

Whats the build order again? Using a stock cooler.

Is it cpu fan case then whatever?

>> No.58119392

>want to buy a rig for the first time
>looking at parts online
>cases are all XXX RATED COD:BLACK OPS RICE XD tier shit
>choice of graphics cards are either piss poor 710 for 50 bucks or top tier gtx 1080 for 300
>same deal with processors
whats my best plan in this situation? all i do is play dota and jack off all day

>> No.58119421

Decent start but still has a lot room for improvement.
You could swap the UD5 for a UD3 if you don't need all it's features. Your HDD is overpriced for a Seagate. Either drop down to a Toshiba P300 or WD Black or get a HGST for the price.
MSI Armor is generally worse than other cards, get a PNY as budget option or if it doesn't mattr get a Asus Strix.
No experience with the Phantom, but you know the are cheaper and better cases?
Also, buy a used monitor if it's just temporary.

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>> No.58119447

With a case that has a psu mount above not below do i put the psu fan facing up or down

>> No.58119495
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>> No.58119501

wen zen ?

>> No.58119513
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So with the mobo plate, mine has these sort of bent things, it seems kinda bs just how bent they are

>> No.58119530

What's wrong with the Seagate? I don't know much about brands and what not. But it seems like this Black will only save me $10ish dollars, and has a few noise complaints. Granted, the Seagate has few reviews so I can't judge noise on it.

Seems like the only thing the UD3 drops is the two SATA 6's. Express is faster, right? Are express ports and 6 ports compatible? Assuming you don't talk me out of it, my current HDD has a 6 port.

Went ahead and threw the STRIX on. Those are some goddamned glowing review.

The biggest thing I'm worried about with the case is know all this shit will fit in it. (No really. I'm new as shit at this. If there's an easy way to know, please tell my ignorant ass.)

>> No.58119588

You're looking in the wrong places of you can only find min/max shit.

Budget? Here's a cheapo $550 to support your dota and a little more as an example.


>> No.58119596

That's on pretty much every I/O shield. They can make installation annoying if your case standoff doesn't have a mounting post. Just bend them back, it'll give no issue.

>> No.58119607

i should mention i'm in australia and half of those places dont ship to me

>> No.58119693


I have an old computer I'm looking to upgrade.

I play shitty blizzard games, and RTS with millions of little things running around doing shit.

I also have my TV hooked up as a second monitor just because.

My current computer is probably 10 years old. I want to play on max graphics without lag and have 1000's of tabs opened up in firefox while I do it.

My budget isn't limited but I don't want to spend too awfuly much if I don't need to.

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yes or no fags yes or no

>> No.58119713

>what's wrong with Seagate
See Blackblaze. Anyways, you HDD is not bad, but either you get a good standard HDD like a Toshiba P300 or a high-end one like the HGST 7K6000.

>noise compliants
If noise is an issue then get a silent case and probably a mounting kit for the HDD, too.

SATA 6G and M.2 is all you need. Your SATA 6G HDD won't be faster if plugged in into a different interface.

Very high quality parts. They currently have a cash back special, so mobo + GPU should be Asus right now.

>i don't know if my shit will fit into the case
Easy. Check the manufactuers websites and compare HSF RAM clearance, height of your RAM and max supported HSF heigth of your case.

Again, money doesn't matter at all or do you want to save or good value parts?

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My video card is too big and is blocking my other pci express slot so I can't use this thing
are there other ways to get usb 3.0 ports on my old computer than this card? Even just one port would be good enough.

>> No.58119878

Assuming I get the UD3, it only has Express. Is 6 compatible with Express is all I really need to know. Also how about this?

I want the best parts I can find if they aren't ridiculously priced by hundreds of dollars above perfectly acceptable parts. I can afford to put pretty much anything in this rig. I'm just trying to balance my desire for the best thing I can build with my conservative spending habits.

>> No.58119964

You realise the UD3 has 6x SATA 6?
The HDD is fine.
Take this advice: you can get either a very good build with good parts and still save, or go full good goy mode and get top parts only.
Personally i'd get good value higher quality parts. 99% of the users won't need the super high-end parts anyways.
How long do you plan on keeping the build? If it's for like 3 years only, don'r overspend.

>> No.58119989

Do i connect the hd audio or audio 97 cable? Whats the difference

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Is there any case similar to NZXT S340 but with 5.25 bay?

>> No.58120015


So I'm looking at this website


and as of now I'm thinking of exceptional. My max res right now is 1920 x 1200 and I probably won't get a new one.

The exceptional column seems the best for me because I don't want to upgrade this shit again for another 10 years but paying double for the Titan X seems like overkill.

Or would I already be overkilling with my needs? How long could I expect my computer to be good for if I build from that section?

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>> No.58120020

Wonder if I'm looking at the wrong UD3.

What I'm really hoping is that I might be able to upgrade it later on. SLI maybe. Do you think the current CPU would bottleneck two 1080's?

>> No.58120029


Starting GTX 1080 and going right basically.

>> No.58120039

Read the fucking manual.

>> No.58120041
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What's a good motherboard with similar specs to pic related but can survive for longer than one night without suddenly dying? Need a motherboard that can produce 125W to the processor and can last maybe like 3 years but I don't know if humanity has successfully achieved this.

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/g/ents, I have a problem and need to decide what to do NOW

tl;dr: Keep GTX 1060 or upgrade to 1070, 1440p occasional gaming, mostly just video editing, want to avoid upgrades for next 4 years.

In 3 hours the mailman will be here, until then I need to decide if I keep the GTX 1060 or send it back, no other chance before I go on vacation, then it's too late.

I paid roughly $260 for the ASUS STRIX OC, so pretty good deal.
For $150 I could upgrade to GTX 1070.

Everywhere I look people say "bro just get the 1070 or you'll have to upgrade in 2 years, pay it now or later".

I barely play new AAA titles, if anything GTA 5 on 1440p.

I just want a GPU that will hold up for the next 4-5 years. I do a lot of 1080p video editing and wouldn't mind if I can't play triple-A games on max settings.

I need a heatsink like the STRIX with fan turnoff function. So upgrading would probably be straight to a non-OC version of the 1070.

>> No.58120071

Look at the manufacturers website, never rely on PCP only.
What the fuck do you need SLI for? SLI is a HUGE meme. Selling your old GPU for a new iteration is better. I'd understand if you do CAD or something similar, but definitely not for games.
Idk about bottlenecking in thag range, but i doubt it.

>> No.58120088

Ok with the 12vatx 4 pin thing on my mobo, my psu (non modular) has 2 of them, but i think theyre gpu pins or something? Im not installing a gpu though, so what do i need to do with the 12v pin?

Mobo and psu for reference

Asus h110i-plus
Seasonic ssp-350gt

>> No.58120150

>i want to avoid upgrades for the next 4years
1070 it is. Price/performance cards are PNY XLR and Palit Jetstream, or get a Asus STRIX with cash back.

>> No.58120168

>Can't rely on PCP
Well this shit just got a little more complicated.

So let me ask this.
As far as my mobo goes, Z170 is the best chipset I can get for my CPU, I assume.

After that, I need to ensure that it has at least 2 DDR4 slots, although most are going to come with 4. I need to ensure the thing is LGA1151. I need to ensure its ATX. I need to ensure that is has at least 1 SATA 6gbps, though its looking pretty clear they pretty much all come with more. What else do I need to make sure this thing includes. Presumably a PSU connection?

I'm sorry if this is getting a little too aggravating. Learning as fast as I can but its always helpful to have another human confirm what I'm doing.

>> No.58120184

send it back and get an 1070.

>> No.58120219

Correction, Z170 is the only chipset that makes sense for a 6700K.
>PSU connection
You just went full retard, m8.
Have you ever touched any computer parts before? If not, start watching guides right now. Because your questions tell me you're going to fuck up your parts if you don't learn the how-to's.

PCPs compatibility check is fine, few details may be off, though. So don't worry, just double check it.

>> No.58120225

Ok so i tried to boot without the atx12v plugged in and it worked. Can someone explain this to me please? I really dont get what its for.

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Just ordered this, guys.
Decent for iRacing on 1 screen? (possibly in VR at some point|)?

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Since i have no replies ill add this image. Do i connect this to thw atx12v?

It seems wrong to me, especially since the wire says 300v and im pretty sure this the (single) cable used to power the gpu.

>> No.58120335

Absolutely disgusting.

>> No.58120354

Kek, why lmao

>> No.58120375

If you need to ask this question you should leave this board and enjoy your (((gaming rig))).

>> No.58120455

You chose the i5-6600 instead of the k variant.
You chose a B chipset motherboard.
If you aren't going for overclocking just grab a i5-6500 and an H170 chipset motherboard
If you do want to overclock eventually (might help give your system a little boost when it's getting old) grab the i5-6600k and a Z170 chipset motherboard.

>> No.58120462

Wait did you order that? What the fuck is wrong with you. Go build it yourself you fucking cuck, letting some random ass stranger handle your computer.

>> No.58120522

Ordered 6600k with z170 mini atx mobo by msi. Is it alright? My gpu will be 1050ti but im going to upgrade it somewhere mid summer when shit like 2060/1160 comes out. Was going to go 6700 + b150 but changed my mind

>> No.58120639

Thats fine, just make sure you grab good power supply.
It's worth spending 70$+ on a PSU if it ensures it won't fry your system.
Currently I'm using an EVGA GS 650, but never trust a brand (they make low quality shitty ones too).
Check the model and read some reviews (always check the 1 star reviews so you have every likely possibility covered).

>> No.58120750

You can trust super flower

>> No.58120771

any fanless cards out there other than

>Palit Geforce GTX 750 Ti Kalmx Silent 2GB GDDR5 Card


>> No.58120847

Not sure if I can spend more than ~40 usd for PSU (thx 3rd world hole) but checking reviews is a must-do.
What can you suggest me regarding CPU coolers? I know I will buy super cheap one but I'm not sure what should I know about miniATX cases (Thermaltake Core V1 in my case).
Are Cooler Master Vortex Plus or Thermaltake SlimX3 good options?

>> No.58120856

mini ITX*

>> No.58121109

>any fanless cards out there other than
>i am too stupid to use a search tool

>> No.58121131




>> No.58121227

fuck you cunt

thank you

so basically there's nothing
i just want a low wattage fanless build that won't cost an arm and leg

>> No.58121249

>t. Butthurt tech illiterate retard
Mouth-breaching autists like you should buy Apple products anyways.

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Before I pull the trigger is there anything wrong with pic related?
They're all compatible?
Prices are in Austrlialand fun bux

>> No.58121317

Shit value build and meh PSU.

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>> No.58121540

Better PSU for the price? I'm sitting on a faulty Corsair RM750i right now. It stops working for days at a time at the drop of a hat (power outage, bad shutdown), I don't know if it's my current setup causing it and if new one will solve it or not.

Know any better prices in Australia?

I'm not going for ultra cost efficiency, I just want a stable upgrade from my i5 750 / HIS 6770

>> No.58121651

Look at the other prices, its non-American currency.

>> No.58121733

EVGA 500B.

>> No.58121837
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There's a 700B in stock, same deal?
Which brand is more reliable? EVGA or Coolermaster?

>> No.58121865

Is a raidz3 setup a good idea? I kind of don't like the idea of a software RAID and losing all my data if it fails. What are the advantages of building a RAIDZ3 array?

>> No.58121953

first time building my PC (moving from console, pls no bully), I bought this case
http://www.awd-it.co.uk/cit-phaser-black-midi-pc-computer-case-usb-3.0-500w-psu.html brand new from a friend, the psu is unbranded and has little details, should I change it? Is it really that bad to run a psu like that?

>> No.58122006

Never ever rely on brands. The EVGA 700B is fine, but overkill.

>> No.58122033

You just wasted 33 bucks, well done, anon.

>> No.58122059

I bought the case off a friend for £10 because he didn't need it anymore (it was new), but will that psu be alright? I'm running on an i3 3240 and a gtx 650

>> No.58122124

>will the PSU be alright
Flip a coin. Either it will or we'll read from a kid who got killed by his exploding computer while jerking off to chinese cartoons.

>> No.58122161

Do 460 and 1050 need a power cable or can pcie power them?

>> No.58122233

>Just brought a gtx 1080
>dont get solid 60 fps on gta5
>amd cpu close to 5 years old
Should i get a new cpu? Is that my problem now?

>> No.58122313

Gee, i wonder if a 5 years old AMD CPU could possibly bottleneck a GTX 1080...

>> No.58122354

>i can't read the manual
Modern GPUs don't need electricity, they run on air.

>> No.58122385
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upgrade GPU now or wait another generation?

I dont really game.

>> No.58122416

> ssdtroll
0/10 bait

>> No.58122418

Upgrade i5-4460 to i7-4790k or wait for Zen?

>> No.58122461

Im looking at them and they dont look like they have that 6+2 pin connector

>> No.58122476

Cant you just find a 980ti on craigslist and talk the seller down to $300 or less?
I basically just buy last years best card on craigslist for a price I could sell it for the year after
Sometime next year I'll get a 1080ti for around 300
I'll probably be able to tell my 980ti for 250-300

>> No.58122491

Just wait to see the actual benches

>> No.58122651

Look closer :^)

>> No.58122692
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>Generic RAM
>16Gb Samsung ECC

>> No.58122917

I have a module thats like generic ram but painted black. Can i get a heatsink or something for it?

>> No.58122955

God you are an entitled faggot. Go fuck yourself and your shit Vidya card.

>> No.58123008

>wait another generation
wait, especially if you dont do much gaming

>> No.58123031

does Nvidia drop a new line of Graphics cards every year?

im new to this so im not aware of the release cycle.

>> No.58123077

why would you buy a GPU if u dont game...

>> No.58123094

12-18 months depending on where in the cycle we are.

5120x1440 desktop isn't too strenuous on the GPU, but even so a newer GPU could offer new features, new video encode/decode support, lower power draw, etc.

However, since it's already a 9xx series GPU, i'd personally wait at least 1 more generation before upgrading.

>> No.58123120

Still this guts would look awesome with a new GPU. Depends on your budget and boxing day special , maybe a new GPU would make you appreciate game once again :)

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>"1070 is overkill for 1080p dawg, get a 480/1060"
>look up benchmarks
>1060/480 can barely get 60fps on 1080p with current games maxed out

Hmm, really makes you think.

>> No.58123140

>maxed out
If you do enough post processing you can turn any game into a stutter-fest at 1080p.

Turn the eye candy even slightly down and a 1060/480 shouldnt have much problems with barely any games.

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I can assure you that your PSU is not capable of putting out 300 volt.

>> No.58123157

But my dick gets hard knowing it's MAXXED THE FUCK OUT

>> No.58123163

Yeah i realised my idiocy, dont worry. Nothing else was even an issue, i just forgot how this cable worked

>> No.58123180

Do mitx and to an extent matx builds overheat?

Also matx is barely smaller than atx, and also i cant see why most people with a single gpu dont go mitx?

>> No.58123249
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>strip down naked
>shave head
>remove all mats in room
>put down esd mat on floor and stand on it
>put on rubber gloves
>connect PSU to ground
>connect yourself to 3 different ESD bands and connect them to the psu screws
>start your build

I bet you don't even do this when you build your system.

>> No.58123258

Dude you are being bottlenecked, change your CPU to a Intel Xeon e3 1231v3, 241us on Amazon and buy a cheap lga 1150 mobo, it can work on consumer mobos

>> No.58123265

Anti static wristbands arw the biggest scam.

0 benefit

>> No.58123270

Are M.2 SSDs a meme or a decent improvement over 2.5' SSDs?

>> No.58123284

or you know, buy a 6600k and be able to OC.

Why the fuck would you recommend a xeon? Unless he needs ECC RAM it's just a waste of money and throwing it in a consumer board defeats the ECC RAM anyway.

The only thing the xeon gives you that the 6600k doesnt is 8 thread instead of 4 threads. But the xeon is stuck at 3.4GHz, the 6600k can hit 4.2GHz+ per core which will give much better gaming performance since most games dont use more than 4 threads so the 8 threads of the xeon are wasted and the slower clock speed ends up fucking you.

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depends what you do.

And M.2 is just a connector, the actual difference is SATA or NVMe.

NVMe SSDs are much quicker than SATA drives, but unless you do something that can use the extra speed it's just gonna sit unused.

>> No.58123329

Yeah it's a NVMe one. Was hoping to put my OS and important programs on it (After Effects, Maya etc.) to try and get a performance boost, or would it still be bottlenecked if I had the project files on a SATA HDD?

>> No.58123353

Is a 1080 overkill for a 1440p?

>> No.58123355

>if I had the project files on a SATA HDD?

and unless you're hitting a bottleneck with your current storage setup, you wont notice any improvement.

If you launch a program, and it takes 3-5 seconds to launch, it's not as if the NVMe drive will make that suddenly only take 0.5 seconds, it will take 2-4 seconds now instead of 3-5.

Further, for actual booting into the OS, the NVMe drive is a bit slower than a SATA SSD because the PCIe initialization process during POST takes longer and so it ends up taking an extra ~10-20 seconds to boot into windows compared to a fast SATA SSD.

NVMe drives are fantastic for niche use where you NEED 500-1TB of storage space that can be accessed at over 1000MB/s but outside of these niche scenarios they're just overpriced SSDs.

>> No.58123425

>but outside of these niche scenarios they're just overpriced SSDs.
Ah okay, gotcha. It was only £2 more than the regular SSD included so I'm okay with it

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i mean, I own one and it only really gets used maybe two times a month, so I'm in that boat too, it was only ~20-30 more than a normal SSD at the time.

>> No.58123446

>Do mitx and to an extent matx builds overheat?
Depends on the case and components, naturally. But mITX and to some extent mATX usually have worse fan options and cooler clearances which means they'll run hotter than roomier cases fully decked out. But as long as you don't go for shoebox-sized cases or other unusual ones you shouldn't have too many heat issues.

>i cant see why most people with a single gpu dont go mitx?
People think that they might need the extra PCIe slots some day.

Any game will run like trash if you crank MSAA or SSAA to stupid levels. Just drop the most intensive options out and framerate will easily increase by 20.

60hz? Yes. 144hz? Depends. If you are sensitive to framerate drops or want to crank settings to max then you'll need 1080. Otherwise a 1070 is a better purhase.

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what is the best smallest case that can fit a standard power supply?
pic unrelated

>> No.58123477

Raijintek Metis

>> No.58123520


>> No.58123540

also looking for a case recommendation

looking to get a small case that can fit a 1080, what's the smallest form factor i should be looking for?

>> No.58123584

Thermaltake Suppressor F1 should fit most GTX 1080s.

>> No.58123618

Node 202 or Dan case can fit a full system easily as long as you get a blower 1080 and don't plan on overclocking too much.

If you want something small but standard then take a look at Define Nano S, NZXT Manta or Phanteks Evolv ITX

>> No.58123661

thanks, going to take a look at those

>> No.58123722

I have the new corsair vengeance 2x8 and i have had no problems with it

>> No.58123765

Get a 15 6600k if you want to oc or get an 15 6500 if you dont, 6600 non k gives very minimal performance increase than 6500

>> No.58123794

does 3200 RAM works only if you OC controller?
when is better controller comes out that can work with it on stock?

>> No.58123840

What's an alternative to the i7?


$330 just seems too much.

>> No.58123869


>> No.58123876

My Steam Machine prototype is going to be getting long in the tooth, and I'll probably upgrade to a GTX 1170 or AMD equivalent next year or so. I went ahead an threw a build together as if I were upgrading today. Any obvious problems? I already own an 850 EVO so I don't need storage.


>> No.58123878

If you need faster RAM you should have no concerns about overclocking the memory controller.

There will likely not be a controller that works with 3200MHz at stock, at least not any time soon. There is simply no need for the average consumer, and the ones who do need it are perfectly capable to OC it themselves.

>> No.58123908

should i bother upgrading my cpu
currently have i5-6600k overclocked to 4.2Ghz from the stock 3.5

mobod is asus hero maximus viii
i figure a beefier cpu like an i7 would allow me to get higher frames while streaming and recording gameplay to local HD, not sure

>> No.58123920

do you NEED hyper-threading?

>> No.58123927

>case with PSU
>6500>6600 if it's not K
>CPU cooler equal to box cooler

>> No.58123933

For AMD literally anything with 970 or better in the name. For Intel, anything from the last 40 years.

>> No.58123936

Pcie cables are 6 and 8 pin, or 6+2. Cpu power connectors are 4 or 8 pin. Most psu manufacturers have a 4+4 pin split connector for compatability with both standards.

>> No.58123941

>while streaming and recording gameplay to local HD, not sure

You should be using hardware encoding from your iGPU or your dGPU for the recording, nothing but a high core count Xeon could manage to encode and record 1080p gameplay.

>> No.58123945


Well shit, I didn't realize an NVMe drive would add boot time because of PCIe initialization.

That explains my slower than expected boot times on a Samsung 850 PRO NVMe M.2 SSD.

It's too late to go back now.

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No. I don't think I'll be doing crazy shit other than video games and occasional photoshop stuff.

>> No.58123957

I don't like to OC things, and 3200 RAM is beneficial in gayming

longevity is an issue for me I need it to live at least 4 years and can't afford failure

>> No.58123987

What's the best way to get Windows 10 on a brand new build without paying for it?

Install from an official .iso and remove authentication somehow? For Win7 I used to use WATRemoval.

I've also heard installing cracked Win7 will allow you do get a legitimate Win10 copy via the upgrade process.

>> No.58123991

I am using my gpu (gtx 1080) encoder when using OBS, but I also have plays.tv running as I like to have my footage saved locally, but I've noticed I can get a little laggy sometimes with both plays.tv and obs running. also cant run two games at once, I tried running undertale and overwatch at the same time, was dropping below 120fps at times, also I play @ 2560x1440 @ 144hz, no idea if that has anything to do with cpu

the reason why im really hesitant to upgrade is I have a water cooling system and I didn't install it, so I'm reluctant to try doing it myself.

>> No.58123992

1. wait for zen
2. do not cry when all games next year stutter for you

half of games released this year benefited from i7

>> No.58124004

Am1 kabini 5350/5370 with arctic alpine cooler with an xfx rx 460 passive, and an ssd. You now have the basis of a less than 200w noiseless system. Would suggest a few silent case fans though just to make sure the heat is better directed.

>> No.58124021

I assumed Fractal Design would bundle in a decent PSU. Good catch about the 6500. My Micro Center doesn't have 6600s anyway, just a K or a 6500. Might even go with an i7. I was under the impression the cooler was better than stock? I obviously wont be overclocking.

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>wait for zen

I need it now

>> No.58124052

Trying to decide if this is a decent build.


Is Windows 8.1 that bad? I'm only getting it since many older games don't run on Windows 10 and it's cheaper.

Also is it better to get a i3 6100 CPU or FX 8320/ 8350? Looking to play kerbal space program and maybe Arma 2/3.

>> No.58124056

>Fractal Design would bundle in a decent PSU
but will warranty work for it? or you'd ahve to return whole case?
get it separate.

only better cooler would be something twice as big, and also twice as expensive, if you don't OC for a while stock cooler will be fine

>> No.58124076

>and I didn't install it
lol, then good luck

Seriously though, you'd be better off buying a 2nd computer for streaming and recording.

One computer for running your games, then another computer for recording/streaming.

That way if your game hits an intense moment, you wont see any frame drops on your recording/stream.

>> No.58124078

>Might even go with an i7
Don't. 6700 has just as shit value as 6600 and i wouldn't put a Cryorig C7 on that CPU.

>I was under the impression the cooler was better than stock?
Yes it is.

>I obviously wont be overclocking.
Then non k and if you do not absolutely need HT for whatever reason, just get a 6500. Good performance, good value.

>> No.58124088

Would be significantly less expensive to just get the I7 presumably. Even if zen does turn around to barely edge out skylake, it wouldn't be significantly better than haswell as skylake is barely better. Assume you can get an 8c/16t zen cpu for the same price as the I7, let's say it's 50$ cheaper even. Still need a motherboard, and ddr4 memory.

>> No.58124090

8350 will work better than i3 for Arma, much better.
Kerbal would be fine with anything.

what doesn't run on w10? I even played NOLF2 on it fine

>> No.58124097

it'd be cheaper to just upgrade my cpu, I could sell my 6600k for at least $200 so I'd only be paying $200 for an i7 I live in canada so an i7 6700k would cost me like $500 after taxes

>> No.58124111

>at least 4 years

I had a Q6600 that I bought in 2007, overclocked to 3.4Ghz on day one, stock was 2.4GHz. I only just replaced it in the spring of 2016 and it was because it was getting too slow, not that it was failing.

There is such a thing as safe overclocking, you just have to not be retarded.

>> No.58124116

Hm, ok, thanks guys.

>> No.58124121

>it'd be cheaper to just upgrade my cpu
no it wouldn't because there isn't ANY single CPU on the market that you could assure yourself would work with what you're describing without spending $5k+ on xeon server level hardware.

Trust me, you want two computers.

>> No.58124127

>Unless he needs ECC RAM it's just a waste of money
Wat. If you do anything that benefits from 8 threads, the e3 xeon is very good value of money, even if it is clocked fairly conservatively. Of course, recommending it for a pure gaming build is kind of stupid, but so is saying to never get a xeon unless you need ECC RAM.

>> No.58124133

I remember reading about how some older games aren't optimized for windows 10. I think it was the older Star Wars games.

>> No.58124140

I do all my computer work wearing socks on carpet. Only had one incident where a giant spark jumped through my finger into the video card, but everything was ok.

>> No.58124142

uh what. youre saying I need expensive server hardware to be able to stream, record, and play games at smooth frame rates on a single pc? that just seems wrong, I had no problems doing this with my old rig @ 1080p

>> No.58124146

>reading comprehension

here let me quote that last line of my post you "forgot" to include

>The only thing the xeon gives you that the 6600k doesnt is 8 thread instead of 4 threads. But the xeon is stuck at 3.4GHz, the 6600k can hit 4.2GHz+ per core which will give much better gaming performance since most games dont use more than 4 threads so the 8 threads of the xeon are wasted and the slower clock speed ends up fucking you.

>> No.58124147

it's always lottery, even you are careful
if you get unlucky you lose $300 which I can't easily replace

>> No.58124153

I want to build a new rig but i don't want to install Windows 10, i want Windows 7

wat do?

>> No.58124155

Currently I have a i7 4790k, h81 mobo and amd r9 380 2gb. I am looking to upgrade my gpu, but I think the mobo will bottleneck it. So, what is a good z97/h97 mobo that will not break the bank? I would like to have thunderbolt to store the pc on another room and conect a dock. Or is a long active hdmi and long active usb hub enough?


>> No.58124169

Just because you didn't destroy any component, doesn't mean it didn't degrade the lifespan of whatever parts took the blow from that spark.

>> No.58124172

>that just seems wrong
how so? Almost every major twitch streamer uses multiple computers to stream.

If you want to record, AND stream, AND play a game at the same time, a 6700k simply wont cut it, and even a 6950x with 10 cores probably wouldn't cut it simply because your main OS is trying to do ALL of this at the same time.

The issue isn't the hardware anymore, the issue becomes windows trying to do too many things at once and failing.

You want multiple computers to avoid windows running into itself.

>> No.58124197

intel has an overclocking WARRANTY, you pay them $15 and if you break your CPU by overclocking they replace the CPU for free.

Just dont be retarded and push it up to stupid high levels because then you might break the motherboard, which ISN'T covered under the warranty.

if you stick to a safe OC though, there is no chance of that happening.

Even with everything a stock settings, shit happens sometimes (power surge, you knocked over your drink, etc) your computer can die for any number of reasons, overclocking is not likely one of them.

>> No.58124219

Also which motherboards are compatible with the 8350?

>> No.58124244

Isn't Arma strictly single threaded? I've seen footage of a 6700k + 980ti getting 20-40 fps on ultra settings.

>> No.58124260

answer this

>> No.58124269

How would your motherboard be the bottleneck?

>> No.58124270

buy windows 10 and get the downgrade rights to windows 7.

Just basic fucking googling would have saved you 20 minutes.

>> No.58124274

other way around it scales well with moar cores

>> No.58124300

Can you downgrade to win7 from win10?

How do you that?

>> No.58124314

yay or nay

>> No.58124315

>How do you that?

>Just basic fucking googling would have saved you 20 minutes.

Fucking look for yourself you might actually learn how to figure things out on your own in the future.

>> No.58124412

That watercooler is going to be hella wasted on a system you can't overclock.

>> No.58124447

Apparently you only can downgrade if you have win10 pro

>> No.58124480

>doesnt know either.

>> No.58124523

forgot to take it off but thanks

>> No.58124548

First time builder here, down does this look for 1440p? Is it worth waiting for Kabylake/1080 Ti?

>> No.58124601

So is Phoenix GLH the best 1070 card or what?

>> No.58124647

I have an R9 290 4GB, an FX-8350, and 16 gigabytes of RAM. For some reason, it seems like I'm getting progressively worse performance. Would updating my BIOS help at all?

>> No.58124714

Looks good.
Fuck no.
Hell yes.

>> No.58124769

Is it a bad idea to buy an ADATA SU800 instead a 850 EVO?

Also MSI Z97 PC Mate works at x16/x4 or x4/x4?

I doubt the latter but its what sites like newegg say.

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>> No.58124807

Maybe, don't know yet. In some games like BF1 they will definitely be good.

You could get an i7 3770 for your socket

Still sucks. You'd be paying almost $200 for a shitty APU + r7 250. Considering you can get a $60 B150 mobo for Skylake there's no point to a build like that

Holy fuck do not buy a a GTX 1080 for a 1080p monitor. By the time you want to upgrade to 4K you will be able to get a lot better gfx for cheaper or the same money

Judging by the rest of your post "I'll look into an SSD later. Maybe. But I want this thing functioning first." you are complete retard. Buy a prebuilt.

Depends on your case but in general you install CPU + HS/F outside of the case

Post speccy, also your plans to future proof are fucking retarded

With that res the appropriate build will contain a 470/480/1060, which start at Very Good. The pcbg pcpartpicker link in OP has better builds for you

You might be able to use a PCIe riser

If you really don't care about new games the 1060 will be fine, but if think there might be some game that you want to play in the near future, get the 1070. You can always upgrade when the next round of cards come out

>> No.58124936

>Is it a bad idea to buy an ADATA SU800 instead a 850 EVO?
If you don't want to spend the extra 30 dollars or whatever then it's fine. 850 EVO is better, but the differences are very minor for normal use cases.

>2 x PCIe x16 slots
>Support x16, x4/x4 modes
This is what MSIs official site says.

>> No.58124971

Then i might aswell buy a cheap B85 motherboard.

What is the difference between motherboards that have 4 pin CPU power slots and the ones with 8 if im going to use a locked I5?

>> No.58125000

If you're buying a boot/gaming SSD the ADATA is fine

You might want to reinstall windows or "upgrade" to Win10

Looks good, get a HGST HDD.
Make sure you buy a nice monitor if you're about to get into 1440p

Strong nay. Need at least an i3 6100 or you need to drop to an r9 380x or 1050Ti. Bottleneck means that your extra money an a more expensive gfx card is wasted because you will never see the true perf that the card is capable of. You will get exactly the same FPS in games with a cheaper gfx card.

ARMA relies strongly on single threaded perf, but basically it's poorly coded.

Absolutely fucking wrong. Quit trolling faggot. If he's buying new the only acceptable choice is the LGA1151 platform (i3 or better). You're a fucking moron for recommending AM3+ at this point

Your current mobo is fine, but you can't OC on it. Just get a 470/480/1060 and call it a day

Definitely go i3 rather than 8350. Get the 2GB 1050 or the 4GB 470

>> No.58125103

For streaming and recording you would definitely benefit from an i7 if your current perf is lacking

All you have to do is get a Z170 and enable XMP in BIOS

Not really overkill, but the 1070 is a much better value.

As the other anon said, wait for Zen. Likely that the i7 4790K price will fall


PCIe, depends on the model for the 460. If you need PCIe power only, get the 1050Ti

>> No.58125121

>Just install Windows 10 goy
Nice trips Rabbi.

>> No.58125151

If his streaming program doesn't support hyperthreading he will see zero increase in performance
The 6600k is pretty good, it would be stupid to actually sidegrade to another 6600k+HT

>> No.58125173

That's why I put the "upgrade" in quotes. Personally I think Win10 sucks

>> No.58125196

All decent streaming programs use hyperthreading, as do modern games

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>i5 to i7

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>Trying to sell your $230 CPU to buy a $330 CPU that performs the exact same without HT
>Trying to upgrade within an Intel CPU generation

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>modern games
We're all hopeful but don't delude yourself

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>performs exact same
o i am laffin

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Can't think of a recent game that doesn't, tard

>> No.58125329

No difference, both of them will be able to power i5.

>> No.58125349

But he's right, a 6700k is just a 6600k with hyperthreading
Hyperthreading is great, just not everything uses it

>> No.58125385

>a Pentium is the same thing as a i5
>the i5 just has two more cores
Get out scub.

From a jewish manufacturing point of view you are correct, but that's literally the point of disabling otherwise working features: product DIFFERENTIATION

>> No.58125399

But the 6700k is literally the exact same CPU as a 6600k, he needs to look at his programs and see what supports HT and what doesn't, decide whether it's worth it, and THEN push through the struggle of trying to sell and rebuy a year-old CPU

>> No.58125414

The Kaby lake pentium has hyperthreading, why don't you just buy that? It's the features that you really want, not the CPU right?

>> No.58125417

He's streaming, so of course he will benefit from hyperthreading.

We've been over this.

>> No.58125431

But will it be a nearly $200 benefit over a 6600k to replace it?
You're underestimating the 6600k

>> No.58125439

>he needs to look at his programs and see what supports HT and what doesn't
HT support is done completely at the kernel level, not at the program level.

>> No.58125442

You're grasping at straws here. Only a retard like you could ever think what you just wrote is an argument or even an insult to mine

The Kaby Lake Pentium will be great for budget gaming though.

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lol ok

>> No.58125456
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I want to believe

>> No.58125457

>I don't know anything about computers and I don't wish to learn

>> No.58125479

Yes, it will be worth the $200.

Fuck off

>> No.58125480

I want to tell this kid because I feel bad for his friend...

>> No.58125482

My dual core "i7" performs the same in every program I own with or without hyperthreading (toggled in bios)
You're saying hyperthreading will benefit you 100% of the time?

>> No.58125501

Yeah, we all know you can turn on hyperthreading without an OS, doesn't mean it'll do jack shit for you
I love my 6700k but I know that without rendering and editing programs it wouldn't help me out

>> No.58125503

I've been having issues with the ethernet adapter on my brand new Asus Maximus VIII Ranger motherboard.

Under linux actual download speeds were like 4kbps when 1000mbps was autonegotiated. If I forced a 100mbps link speeds went up to normal.

All my home network infrastructure is gigabit capable (ASUS router and Netgear PRO switch).

I installed windows this morning and speeds were all over the place, even after installing the latest intel drivers. I ran out of time to fuck with it, but is this just a stupid configuration issue I need to figure out or is there a possibility I have some kind of weird hardware issue?

>> No.58125513

Not him, but you can have bottlenecks elsewhere. Additionally having hyperthreading enabled or disabled will not allow you to casually notice a difference when you open Firefox or the file explorer.

>> No.58125529

I'm saying that if you have a workload that can benefit from more than 4 cores, then a 4-core CPU with SMT enabled will perform better than one without SMT, regardless of whether the program "supports" hyperthreading or not. It's not a question of the program supporting SMT, it's a question of the program supporting multithreading in general.

>> No.58125537

But im playing games though, firestrike gets a clear boost with hyperthreading on but really benchmarks are the only place where I can see a clear boost
Using a 960M btw

>> No.58125540

..or streaming, like the guy in question wants to do. Also see >>58125275

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>Hyperthreading = Double Cores

>> No.58125574

That's not even close to what I'm saying, you fucking retard.

>> No.58125584

Most of the time you will be GPU limited with a 960M. That's a weak GPU

>> No.58125586

>Microshit exclusive
I'd be surprised if any CPU in the world could even hold stable fps, look at the other Microsoft ports, they're all shittilt coded and perform horribly compared to developers who know what they're doing on pc

>> No.58125611

Gears of war and Forza Horizon 3 are my only games that support HT
Ironically they're the only games that need the extra CPU power too

>> No.58125613

>i was only pretending to be retarded

>> No.58125626

Even at minimum I see absolutely no improvement with hyperthreading in witcher, war thunder, civ 6 or any "modern" game I own
I just have to enable it in bios? Am I expecting a doubled increase in performance?

>> No.58125642

Would updating my BIOS potentially do anything though?

>> No.58125658

>Still sucks. You'd be paying almost $200 for a shitty APU + r7 250. Considering you can get a $60 B150 mobo for Skylake there's no point to a build like that
You mean change my plans and anticipate Skylake build instead of Zen? No, the whole reason I'm building a computer is Zen.

>> No.58125672

>Am I expecting a doubled increase in performance?
Intel's version of SMT is about 30% performance improvement under ideal conditions. In games, you're almost certainly not going to get nearly that much, even if you WEREN'T limited by a weak GPU.

>> No.58125682

But at minimum settings, I should see SOME kind of fps boost outside of benchmarks right?
My 960m is only at 60% usage

>> No.58125716

>But at minimum settings, I should see SOME kind of fps boost outside of benchmarks right?
Yes, if you see absolutely no improvement at minimum settings there's either something else limiting your performance or something weird is going on.

>> No.58125766

But you're saying hyperthreading should give a boost in everything so I should leave it on? I know at least one game doesn't like having it on and crashes
But there's no other software settings to worry about? Just flip it on in bios and get 30% better CPU?

>> No.58125862

No, not double. Some engines don't see a benefit. Witcher for instance is light on the CPU, Civ6 isn't a benchmark game. But if you were streaming, the HT would really help.

>the whole reason I'm building a computer is Zen.
And? Can't use Zen on FM2, which is what your APU socket. You'll have to build all new, can't even reuse the DDR3 RAM, and buying a low power gfx card is also a waste of money from a price / perf standpoint. You're wasting your money

Better to get Skylake and hope that Zen drives down i7 prices

Of course leave it on

>> No.58125884

>But you're saying hyperthreading should give a boost in everything so I should leave it on?
Just about. Although if you play older games, a lot of them are going to see little to no benefit going from 2 cores to 2 cores with HT.
>But there's no other software settings to worry about? Just flip it on in bios and get 30% better CPU?
That's the theory. In practice, hell if I know. Could be something weird going on, like boost clocks not going as high with HT enabled or shit.

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>> No.58125927

I'm upgrading to an I7-6700k cpu soon and was wondering what cpu cooler should I get?

>> No.58125930

>Can't use Zen on FM2, which is what your APU socket
Never claimed I could.
>can't even reuse the DDR3 RAM
No but I've got plenty of other machines for it to go in.
I probably won't get one, just use the APU till I get an RX480 or something. It's more of an I want to crossfire with an APU thing.
>Better to get Skylake and hope that Zen drives down i7 prices
Given I'm building a Zen machine regardless of i7 prices that doesn't sound like it's too relevant.

>> No.58125954

>building a zen machine
>none of the parts can be used with zen cpus

>> No.58126012

Your point being?

>> No.58126081

Yeah I'm not that guy that you were replying to but it's pretty crazy to make an APU build for playing games even if it's just "for the meantime" when you could have just put that $170 towards something you'll actually use in the future, like a nice mobo/Zen CPU/GPU. Unless you have a sibling/parent/grandparent that needs a facebook/word processor machine you can give it to, it's a total waste.

APUs in general are a complete failure of an idea. I've said that for years now. I mean, the amount of mental gymnastics that need to be done to justify an APU build is astounding. Maybe Zen based APUs will have a 1-2 year window of being powerful enough to be relevant.

>> No.58126114

What's the catch with the free 2 day shipping with newegg?

>> No.58126154

I have a case that I want to use and the only board that fits has a single core VIA CPU with 512MB RAM. I needed something that was usable.

>> No.58126163

My friend wants to renew some stuff on his PC and i'm helping him but since i'm a AMD user i'm kinda lost.
He wants to keep his LGA 1155 motherboard, but upgrade the CPU, what's the best LGA 1155 i5 or i7 he can get? I understand LGA 1155 CPUs stopped on Ivy Bridge?

>> No.58126172

Like the other dude said, you probably could have approached this in a way that wouldn't be equivalent to throwing that $170 down the toilet while still getting something "usable" for right now.

>> No.58126196
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I have around $500 to spend on a monitor.

Is this one the best choice?

The brand is not popular, so I'm having doubts. But Acer and Asus are so much more expensive. Should I just wait for deals or buy the Pixio? It's IPS, 4ms, 1440p and 144hz for cheap.

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>> No.58126252

The only choice that'd result in not wasting money is just waiting for Zen. I have no issue doing that, but I also have no issue dropping $170 on a computer I'll only need for a few months.

>> No.58126378

It is better to get a 33 feet thunderbolt active cable or a 33 feet usb active cable and 33 feet hdmi active cable. I want to move my PC to another room

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>> No.58126413

I'm pricing out a new system currently, you guys think 500USD and 200 USD is a fair estimate for the Zen CPU/MoBo?

>> No.58126439

What is exactly the name of the stuff you put on expansion bays in cases?

Im looking to add more USB 3.0 slots since my case doesn't come with them (HAF912).

>> No.58126503
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Trying to build a system for a friend for around 600 dollars finding it's hard to get what I want out of that so I'm creeping around 650. He wants this for gaming. Tell me how this looks:


>> No.58126505

when will freesync be good?

>> No.58126580

I think all of those cable interfaces have maximum lengths

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>Foamy the squirrel

>> No.58126662

$500 probably won't get the top-tier Ryzen CPU, but with any luck it should be enough to get a cheaper octocore variant.

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>Foamy the Squirrel please.

>> No.58126701

I'll do what I did with Bulldozer (which I regret buying but whatever)
buy the lower end 8 core and overclock it above the top model

>> No.58126913

Decent but if you want to stay at or under 600 bucks you'll have to go with the i3-6100. Here are two options, first one is obviously better:
$700 i5-6500: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kx3rqk
$600 i3-6100: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7ZMjRG

>> No.58126985

I think he's comfortable with 650 and I can squeeze in the 6500 with that by using stock cooler (forgot 6500 had one) and the cheaper Mobo. Why the mortar Mobo over the one I chose and why single channel single ram stick?

I was planning on foregoing the SSD even though I really like mine because of his budget and the fact that he doesn't have an HDD or old system to cannibalize (first build).

>> No.58127079

>Why the mortar Mobo
Far better features and quality. Also imho H110 should only be used for low end systems, but if money really is an issue, H110 is ok, not good, but ok.
>why single channel single ram stick
The Avexir i chose simply is the overall cheapest option.
>I was planning on foregoing the SSD
What and how many games are we talking about? 240GB should be enough for starters. You friend can always add a HDD later.

>> No.58127101

will an intel NUC (skull canyon) with 16gb ram and an ssd be enough to handle a few vms at once? win7, kali and inetsim - want a nice portable malware analysis lab - but I'm not really a hardware guy

>> No.58127229
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Putting together a workstation for my dad. He doesn't run any programs that are particularly intense on their own, but he keeps a shitload of programs and tabs open at once and wants something that he won't have to replace for a long time. How does it look?

He doesn't need it before Christmas. Are the post-Christmas deals worth it these days?
H170 or Z170 chipset is a must, as he wants a RAID1 setup later down the line for backing up pictures.
DisplayPort is a must because his monitor only supports the full resolution over DisplayPort.
He doesn't play video games but I might give him my graphics card when I replace it.
PSU is definitely overkill but I was having a hard time finding a cheaper one that is still modular/semi-modular. I don't want there to be a rat's nest when I inevitably have to replace stuff for him.
Can ASRock, ADATA, and TP-Link be trusted? How shit are the TP-Link drivers and was that mess about them phoning home to China true?

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i want to build a nas server, eventually 10 drives and 2 back ups.
For now I just want to know how to look fora good 12 bay tray or whatever and what else is involved in everything BUT the drives.
i'm assuming it's <1000 but spoonfeed me a bit because I have a tough time kinda researching, especially when I get kitchen trays in my searches

>> No.58127329

Fair enough. It's never a terrible idea to have a backup lying around anyway.

>> No.58127344

I'll talk with him and see if he wants to get a small SSD first over the HDD depending on the space he needs I would certainly prefer installing the OS on an SSD and getting that out of the way first.

As far as the Mobo goes as far as I know he doesn't need anything fancy at all so the h110 should serve fine.

>> No.58127349

which 2TB HGST to get? there's a fuckton

>> No.58127446

Seems reasonable, but you won't get at or under 600 bucks if he wants to keep both the 6500 and 1060 6G.

>> No.58127586

Just a suggestion, but would a 470 work? Shaves $100 right off the top does he really need the 1060?

>> No.58127740

>does he really need the 1060?
Idk, what games does he play? RX470 is a good alternative if he sticks to 1080p and moderate games.

>> No.58127769

As far as I know

Battlefield 1

Stuff like that. Pretty sure just 1080p, I'll look at the 470 but again he seems comfortable with spending 650 and for that price I would think a 1060 build makes more sense.

>> No.58127875

I suggest you inform yourself about game benchmarks. H1Z1 and Skyrim should be fine, but idk about BF1. Should run on 1080p with medium setting, though.
Look for GPU benchmarks and if the results are acceptable go with 6500 + RX470, or if he wants get a 1060 for ca. 650 bucks.
Anyways, one thing you shouldn't do is skip the 6500 for a 6100 only to get a 1060.

>> No.58127900

I'm not considering the 6100

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Depends on your budget and how important your data is. You could buy a 16-hot-swappable-bays 4U chassis for $230 or buy a full-tower case with over 7 5.25" bays and go ham with some of these.

You'll also need to know which file system you want to use, because RAID isn't the only mutli-drive format out there. If you want hardware RAID, then you'll need to spend at least $600 on a RAID card with its own memory/cache and battery back-up in case of power failures to prevent loss of data, corruption, or even a loss of an entire array. You could also do software RAID and use cheaper HBA cards. There are SATA and SAS RAID/HBA cards, with SATA being cheaper (and generally less reliable due to their makers cheaping out on parts) and SAS being capable of multiple simultaneous requests going on at the same time (and being at least $150 more expensive than SATA).

You also have to debate whether or not your data with worth protecting with ECC RAM and how you want to back up the files in your NAS to prevent a catastrophic loss of data in the event of power outages or malware.
And then there is the eternal debate over whether to go 10Gbps or stay with 1Gbps and use LACP. I'll answer wait until 802.3bz capable NICs are available and cheap.

>> No.58128050

Then stick with the 6500 and depending on how much he wants to spend and what the game benchmark say with either the 1060 6G or RX470 and you'll have a decent gaymen machine.

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>> No.58128171


or if you want card reader functionality as well

>> No.58128276

i'm assuming i'll spend near 4k when everything is set and done, including the drives.
I'm using it for plex and using private trackers to auto-load the things I wanna DL.
10x6tb usable so near 60tb or 56tb whatever "real" value is with 2 drives backing it up and replacing the dead ones and all that.
It'll always be on and that's about it as far as the uses of it.
I'm not too well versed in the terminology you used besides knowing RAID is multi-drive stuff and that SATA is a connection type that I use for my computer.
The data isn't all that important because I can recover it, but I'd just want something reliable and having the ability to recover drives that die and power outages not destroying it.
I don't think I have to deal with malware because I won't really share it with shady places or use stupid websites.

>> No.58128447

I need some advice on an SSD.

I have a server, and for the OS I will use two SSD's in a RAID configuration. Don't want the OS drive dying on me.

I don't need more than 120GB or so, it's just going to run Proxmox VE and store various virtual images. So I need something small but very durable.


>> No.58128472

Samsung 850 EVO for fast performance, good build, etc.

Or, if it exists, see if you can find M.2 drives(if the motherboards on your servers can support that.)

>> No.58128499

It's just going to be a regular sata connection, I believe. Connected to a backplane on a supermicro chassis.

The 850 EVO is good I hear, but it's far more than I need in terms of storage.

>> No.58128527

Try PNY CS1311.

>> No.58128559

I'm reccomending something high end, but
also works.

About to get it for my laptop-to-be-steammachine.

>> No.58128688

PNY? Never heard of it.

are you tryna trik me again?

thanks to you faggots I'm writing this on a fucking gentoo machine

>> No.58128783

Lol, they make SSDs, GPUs, etc.

Especially Nvidia's workstation GPUs.

>> No.58128828

please respond

>> No.58128868

>PNY? Never heard of it.
LOL WAT?? PNY is a very reputable brand. They make tons of stuff like >>58128783 said, for example the Nvidia Quadro GPUs.
The PNY CS1311 is a very good SSD, especially for the price, see: http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7849/pny-cs1311-480gb-sata-iii-ssd-review/index11.html

>> No.58128961

>$40 for extra USB slots

>> No.58128972

is fully modular psu helpful in any way? or is it just a meme?
Is semi-modular just as good?

why do people care so much about cables?

>> No.58128982

>PNY? Never heard of it.
>are you tryna trik me again?

>> No.58129014


I'm just saying. I'm writing this on a W520 thinkpad for gods sake. You faggots keep convincing me of all this shit.

>> No.58129017

Fully modular PSUs only make sense if your case is compact as shit and you only use a handful of power cables OR if you use a fuck-ton of power cables. Semi-modulars are better because not only are they cheaper, but the cables that are permanent are the ATX power connector and the CPU power connector, which you will always end up using anyway and won't get fucked by a faulty connector.

>> No.58129030

Fully modular is very helpful.

If you haven't built a computer or have been using non-modular shit, I can assure you that you're missing out.

Full modularity allows you to manage cables way fucking better than a non-modular PSU would let you.

>> No.58129046

the first one with JUST USB ports was $20

the $40 has multicard reader and SATA/eSATA and audio jacks.

>> No.58129052

Then think for yourself, lel.

I'm on a E6410 with a 1st Gen Mobile i7 in it, worked out pretty good for me(except the HDD's Connector completely BTFO'ing months ago.)

>> No.58129082

cool thanks.

that'll save me 20 bucks

let's say I'm building in a SG13 am I getting a better fit out of fully modular vs partial modular?

>> No.58129088

But how will you have fancy colorful braided power cables

>> No.58129103

Should I buy a compact µ-ATX case or a
Mini-ATX one?

If I go with latter, I will have to buy the more expensive Mini-ATX motherboards, also less choice is available.

Any ideas how it will look like with the AM4 motherboards?

>> No.58129104

By using cable extensions, which are universal

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for reference

>> No.58129144

I doubt your dad will ned 16GB RAM, but if that's what you want. Take a look at this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NRKWJV
Small, portable, somewhat silent, 2x 120mm fans can be added and should serve him fine.

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>> No.58129195

Thinking of getting the NZXT Source 340 case. I have a question about dust filters. Does it have any and if not I never realyl bought them so what kind of dust filter should I even look for if I wanted to add one and are they hard to install?

>> No.58129228
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I'm making a small "gaming" computer for my son.


this just need to run roblocks, and minecraft essentially (he's 5) and any games that fall into those categories

the problem is, I have absolutely no idea what resources these games use. I figure they're pretty low requirements but I was wondering if this kind of system would work, or would I need to beef it up a little bit?

>> No.58129325

Get a G4400 and a H110 motherboard.
GTX 750Ti got replaced by GTX 1050.
A PSU and a cheap case.

>> No.58129347

Eh, my take on it.
I'll probably get ripped on it, but having run those two games on an old Q8200 with 8 GB of Ram and a 9800 GT, I can tell you that's more like the minimum, especially with roblox.


Also, bit more pricey, but a LOT of room for upgrading(Intel 7th Gen CPU, last you some years, etc, etc.)

Alternatively, you can wait for Ryzen or go with this APU setup(GPU and CPU in one, not advised, I'd still wait for zen).


>> No.58129371

Guys if I want my desktop to connect to internet by wifi rather than cable, do I need some special kind of mobo or other thingie or is it a normal feature nowadays?

>> No.58129377

>I'm making a small "gaming" computer for my son.
This classifies as child abuse. Do what >>58129325 and >>58129347 suggested. Minimum is G4400 + H110 + RX460.

>> No.58129412

Some motherboards come with internal wifi adaptors.

And then there's standalones.

TPI PCIe slot wifi adapter works, plug into a small PCIe slot, then run it.
There's also USB adapters as well.

But you're talking to an ethernetfag, I can't stand wifi after going ethernet. I was well known lagger on a small game I played, I beat one of the best players in a firefight because i was skipping all over the goddamn place.

I don't lag, and I sure as hell won't go back to wifi.

>> No.58129416

But that doesn't solve the fact that ketchup and mustard are running rampant in my A E S T H E T I C build

>> No.58129428

what if I just switch the board and cpu then change the 750 for a 1050 ti?

also, 8gigs? I didn't think that shitty game would use that much!

>> No.58129449

Recent games do but we are talking about $60 games not simple games.

4GB will be more than enough for him.

>> No.58129499

One big problem of your build is the case+PSU.

250W is a bad idea, you should be looking for a 400-450W PSU.

Those games are simple enough that the built in graphics are enough for it, no need for a graphic card.

>> No.58129520

oh, ok

yeah, he aint playing those, at least not yet.

I'm trying to teach him how to do basic programming and computer maintenance. starting with how not to break a computer, so I'm not planning on this thing surviving more than a year or two, if that. It doesn't need to be future proof. just small enough that he can carry it around and cheap enough to not hurt the wallet when either he or his sister inevitably kills it.

>> No.58129544

Anon your child is 5, he shouldn't be doing computer maintenance other than learning how use it.

Dont get him a graphic card, just a simple computer for now, specially if its his first one.

>> No.58129546

girls should be illegal. but since they're not, they're called PC's not Periods so girls shouldn't be interested

>> No.58129555

Get him a simple computer and buy him Minecraft

>inb4 "minecraft is shiit xddd"
it's made for little kids what did you expect?

>> No.58129644

It's mainly blowing dust out with a can and not dumping soda on it that he needs to do. he's not taking it apart. but I think your'e right on the graphics card. It was more of a mindless addition. a minor step up from the integrated graphics really.

you sound like a virgin.

he loves minecraft and fnaf

>> No.58129648

let your son play irl
dont make him a computer autist

>> No.58129652

As i said, G4400 + H110 is the absolute minimum. As GPU get either a GTX 1050/ti or RX460.
>also, 8gigs?
Yes. 4GB Windows systems are obsolete. Basically get him something like this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZcgkHN
This has decent performance, upgradebility and reuseability. $359 is totally ok for this.

>> No.58129659

We can remedy that, who is your daughter?

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I've spent quite a long time reading guides, forum posts, and videos, but I just can't get an aswer to this simple question: How does turbo boost work when you overclock on skylake? It's pretty weird for a platform this popular, all you find is speculation upon speculation, no one actually knows what they're talking about.

Does anyone here know, or know of a good guide that goes over this in detail?

>> No.58129672

Just get him a G4400 and a H110.
4GB, 8GB would be overkill for what is he doing.
A 430W PSU (EVGA 430) and a mATX case.

He doesnt need a graphics card if all he is going to play is minecraft, get him one later on if he wants to play something intense.

>> No.58129684

Its simple if there is nothing intensive going on the CPU will work at a lower clock for efficiency reasons.

If its under heavy load it will increase it back.

>> No.58129736

What should I get for a new monitor?

my pc specs
>i5 6500
>8gb rx 480
>8gb DDR$ (upgrading to 16 soon)

I'm at a 1080p/60hz monitor currently with a shitty 4:3 as a second for system monitoring/music/misc. I'm torn between a 2560x1080 ultrawide, or just getting a 1440p screen and using my 1080p one as a second monitor. 1440p would be great but I don't want to have to lower my visual settings too much while gaming. Ultrawide sounds good too but I'm not sure how big of an upgrade 2560x1080 would be over a normal 1080p. Side note, I'm perfectly ok with 60hz so a 1080p 144hz doesn't really interest me right now

>> No.58129741

But if I overclock to 4.5, will the turbo boost then be 4.5 -> 4.7 instead of 4 -> 4.2? Or will 4.5 be the new roof even for the turbo boost?

>> No.58129773

Go RX 460.
1050/1050 ti is a bit more expensive for the kind of performance you're looking for with those games.

Plus, AMD is improving the drivers for their cards over time. RX 460 managed to match a couple games the 1050 had a hold over it.

>> No.58129797

any reason why it's over 300 watts for these suggestions? I've run these low profile gpus on 250 just fine, if they were full sized I could understand, but I don't see why the sudden need to almost double it without the gpu even installed.

really now?

>> No.58129808

To dont use a unknown PSU at 100% load maybe?

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>> No.58129884

RX-460 is under 100 bucks, and accomplishes what you're looking for.

None of the 1050 cards are under 100 at the moment.
1050ti is in just a bad place right now for the higher price brackets. The price/performance ratio up top is somewhat fucked up because for 20-30 bucks more, a midrange RX-470 can be bought for even better performance.

Besides all that, just roll with the 460.

>> No.58129907

that's what the power management setting are for. the original parts I had listed are rated at about 50-100 watts under load, 160 with the gpu installed. 250 gives me plenty of headroom. even if it's not 80+

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Is the coolermaster 212 still the best heatsink?

>> No.58130088

For $20? yes

>> No.58130115

Does the geminii m4 still suck?

>> No.58130415


>> No.58130477

It's not a question of supporting hyper threading specifically. 8ta whether or not they utilize more than 4(FOUR) threads. If the program only uses 2 threads, then you might as well have an i3. Most games do not utilize more than 4 threads, but that's starting to change. Whether or not they need that extra power, or if it makes a significant difference to have it. Is a different debate entirely. The big thing is that having those extra threads allows for better work in the backend, which may provide better performance in your game.

>> No.58130507

New Thread

>> No.58130715

Hey pc builders, please help me build a new system, currently running off a computer built in 2011 which is still going okay, despite blue screens once a week.
Games I frequent include Overwatch, Rust, Rocket League and probably Fallout 4 amongst others as the Steam Winter Sale kicks in.

Current Specs include:
Graphics Card: AMD Radeon HD 6900 series (Sapphire)
Processor: Intel Core i& CPU 960 @3.20GHz (8CPUs)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X58A-UD3R

My friend build this one for me back in 2011 as I was quite computer illiterate, while I'm not the best now, I am a bit better. My budget is around $1000-1200 for a pure pc (no peripherals) and I live in Australia.

I assume at a base level I would want to get an i7 processor and at least 16GB of ram, however am unsure on the differences between running say two 2GB graphics cards or 1 4gb card. Am also quite clueless on the difference in motherboards.


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