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Hey /g/, is there a better desktop environment than Xfce?

>> No.35598690

>>35597867
Mate and LXDE are decent

>> No.35598707

Probably all of them.
Xfce interferes with fontconfig, so it's unusable IMO.

>> No.35598725

>>35597867

Is there a magic bullet?

>> No.35598737

Also WM are a better way to go usually

>> No.35598752

KDE.
>inb4 bloat

>> No.35598763

>>35598690
>LXDE
>better than XFCE
Pick one

Not sure about Mate, I've used it and I think it's decent

>> No.35598786

>>35598752
>inb4 bloat
KDE devs decided to do the right thing and are working on making components less inter-dependent. Only remaining issues for me are startup time and that if you want to hack you need to know C++.

>> No.35598815

>>35597867
What do you mean by "better"??
I personally really like Unity, but it does lag on slower machines. So, for a 1-stop-shop, XFCE runs on everything. For a faster computer with a cleaner look, Unity

>> No.35598827

there is no better DE than KDE if your pc is less than 10 years old

>> No.35598833

>>35598786
>almost 2014
>not knowing C++

>> No.35598839

I love everything about xfce except xfwm because it cause a lot of tearing.

>> No.35598845

>>35597867
No.

Xfce is always so refreshing.

Lightweight.
Stays out of the way.
Fast.
Familiar

>> No.35598847

>>35598827
>KDE Fanboy
Please leave

>> No.35598867

I personally prefer LXDE, Mate, and Cinnamon.

>> No.35598870

XFCE is the best DE, but DEs are pretty overrated.
dwm, dmenu and urxvt are all you really need. i3 or xmonad are also acceptable.

>> No.35598892

>>35598827
KDE runs fine on my netbook 1.6 GHz dual core. I've seen PC's 10+ year old that outperform my netbook.

>> No.35598916

>>35598870
Did you hear about
>st.suckless.org

>> No.35598945
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35598945

Linux desktop environments suck except Mate and Xfce, I think WM are better and more lightweight than trying to run a full DE anyway. KDE and Gnome 3 are complete trash now so the only real option is to run a WM IMO

>> No.35598948 [DELETED] 

>>35598916
Yes. I'll start using it when it's unicode support is comparable to urxvt.
>muh katakana

>> No.35598960

elementaryOS's Pantheon confirmed for best DE.

>> No.35598962

>>35598916
Yes. I'll start using it when its unicode support is comparable to urxvt.
>muh katakana

>> No.35598972

>>35598867
My nigga.

>> No.35598976

I used to use xfce, but now I use Cinnamon and I find it more convenient / nicer looking.

>> No.35598981

>>35598833
I dislike this language, but will learn it to work with other people. But it takes a few years to learn it, not 3 weeks.
>>35598892
Weird, because NEPOMUK rendered my netbook unusable.

>> No.35598996

>>35598981
What is disable nepomuk

>> No.35599003

>>35598981
a) turn off nepomuk
b) upgrade to KDE 4.10, which rewrote nepomuk to not thrash disk all the goddamn time

>> No.35599021

>>35598916
Honestly, most suckless programs are pretty shitty, mainly since instead of developing them, they circlejerk on their mailing lists like the simpering little faggots that they are. I've been thinking of making a generalized dmenu solution so I can avoid their cancer altogether.

>> No.35599035

>>35599021
Write it in Perl to make them cry harder. I mean shit, it's just text processing, perl's great for that.

>> No.35599044

I'm actually growing quite fond of KDE. But, I love Cinnamon too.

XFCE isn't bad though.

>> No.35599047

>>35598948
>>35598962
Try termite.
>>35598996
Can you say you're using a certain "DE", when you're using 90% of it?
>>35599003
I dislike NEPOMUK actually and installed it just to try out, but that's good to hear.

>> No.35599073

whats a good choice for babby's first WM?

>> No.35599076
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35599076

>>35597867
KDE
/thread

>> No.35599091

>>35599073
Openbox+tint2

>> No.35599101

>>35599035
The main advantage of dmenu is that it's a GUI widget, though, the point is that you can pipe shit in, select something and do something with the selection. I'm not big on graphical programming, so....might be a challenge.

>> No.35599105

>>35599076
Am I even suppose to want that bloated shit?

>> No.35599112

It's funny, the great migrations away from KDE 4.0 and GNOME 3.0 have left us with more awesome desktop environments than we started with.

Back in 2005-8 you had GNOME 2, KDE 3, and a lot of shitty alternatives.

GNOME split into Unity, GNOME Shell, Cinnamon, and MATE.
Xfce flourished from the new attention and caught up most of their deficiencies compared to GNOME 2.x / MATE.
KDE spawned Razor-Qt, which is now merging with LXDE's Qt port, and LXDE's Gtk2 port is now the legacy codebase.

>> No.35599121

LXDE

>> No.35599137

>>35599101
Perl has several graphical libraries, including SDL and Tk. If you can do it in something like Cairo that isn't X dependent, you'll be future-proofing it against the switch to Wayland.

>> No.35599138

>>35599105
KDE looks a lot better than that now. But I like speed, and find xfce to be much faster even though it may not look "flashy".

I prefer functionality over aesthetics

>> No.35599139

>>35599091
This

So much this

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35599149

>>35599105
Your face when it uses less memory than Unity, Gnome 3, cinnamon and mate

>> No.35599154

>>35599073
Right now?
KWIN or Mutter. Those two will live in the Wayland area (at which point you might want to hop to Weston, which potentially is the new compiz). You can also go with compiz, though note it won't last much more.

>> No.35599171

>>35599073
FLWM is really fucking fast but is written in C++.
awesome is, well, awesome.
dwm is fucking fantastic.

>> No.35599188

>>35599154
Enlightenment is going to live in the Wayland universe too, as of E18.

>> No.35599191

>>35599073
openbox

>> No.35599201

>>35599149
My mate desktop right now is using 233 MB of ram. Your telling me that KDE doesn't use that?

Bullshit

>> No.35599205

>>35599139
>>35599091

thanks guys

>> No.35599206

>>35599188
I didn't know there's a WM called Enlightenment. Is it maybe Mutter's fork?

>> No.35599228

>>35599188
they really should make it default instead of slow transmission

>> No.35599229

>>35599201
KWin's compositing is done in a sane way so that when hardware compositing is enabled, CPU usage goes DOWN. MATE's window manager (Marco IIRC) doesn't have that so it's a pile of smelly cocks at compositing.

>> No.35599230

>>35598763
in his defense, he said decent not better than

>> No.35599232

>>35599137
I know, I know, but as good as Perl is at text and system tasks....it sucks pretty badly at everything else. Performance is also an issue, since the main advantage of dmenu is that it rips through a huge list of items instantly.
Probably gonna make it in Common Lisp and configure it like Emacs: users define various tasks in ~/.some_file in CL code with defcommand or something, which is called with dmenu_replacement command_name.

>> No.35599267

>>35597867
Gnome 3

>> No.35599268

>>35599232
Please don't use any SBCL-specific hacks, as it's not ported to ARM yet, and it sounds like the kind of thing I'd like to run on an ARM system. Write to the standard, or at least make sure it works in GNU CLisp.

>> No.35599290

>>35599229
>hardware compositing is enabled
Can't imagine how retarded you have to be to not use GL/GLES for this.

>> No.35599307

>>35599290
Dunno, ask the Marco devs.

>> No.35599632

>>35599267
>Gnome 3
Not even once.

>> No.35599781

>>35599268
I strongly doubt I'll need any implementation-specific features or options.

>> No.35599821

There are no good desktop environments for linux.

>> No.35599876

MATE, speed and convenience. KDE is for faggots.

>> No.35599934

>letting a "DE" decide which applications you run
why not handpick them yourself?

>> No.35599969

>>35599876
enlightenment
it's the answer to the question "what if kde were modular?"

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35600005

>>35598752
Surprisingly, QT applications are significantly smoother than GTK application on the Raspberry Pi.

>> No.35600031

>>35599969
show me a screenshot of enlightenment that doesn't make me puke

>> No.35600054

For KDE, lightdm or mdm as default display manager?

>> No.35600089

>>35600031
I'm not gonna waste time trying to come up with a screenshot that caters to your particular taste brah, either use it or don't. I'm not here to convince you, only to tell you you're wrong

>> No.35600093

>>35597867

There is, it's called MATE. Clearlooks all day e'rry day.

>> No.35600117

Mate is my favorite, Xfce is my second favorite.

>> No.35600374

Wow, I'm surprised to see so much love for Mate here nowadays. Something change recently?

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35600411

>>35599876
>Mate
For those who like a windows 95/98 style DE

>> No.35600560

>>35600054
I like SLIM personally.

>> No.35600739

>>35600411
Erm, you can make any DE look like any other DE.
What are you talking about?

>> No.35600900

>>35600739
Only possible with KDE

>> No.35601180

>>35600411

And Xfce and LXDE are different how? Mate at least does it right. And Gnome 2 is not the same as 95/98.

>> No.35602822

>>35599171
>awesome is, well, awesome.
>dwm is fucking fantastic.
it's a shame that you have to spend hours configuring it and installing a lot of other programs to make simple things as automounting a usb pen that every DE does for you out of the box.

>> No.35603307

>>35599105
>implying he didn't rice it

>> No.35603414

>>35602822
dwm doesn't require any configuration. it's a single binary.

awesome, however, does require a bit of config to tune it to the way you, the user, like.

>> No.35603543

>>35603414
still it's almost useless, it just tiles windows. AND NOTHING more. A DE should do a lot more, not force the user to fuck around. That's why the majority of people uses a DE and not just a WM.

>> No.35603639

>>35603543
It's just my personal opinion that dwm+dmenu is good enough. Saves a lot of memory on my shitty computer.

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35603679

I don't even give a fuck.

>> No.35603858

>>35598815
I couldn't agree more.

>> No.35604648

>>35600411
MATE is tons better than Win9x.

>> No.35605091

>>35597867
the only one on par with it is kde, but I prefer xfce myself.

so, no.

>> No.35605485

>>35599021
>I've been thinking of making a generalized dmenu solution so I can avoid their cancer altogether.
If you do please make it not start up a copy of bash for each program run from it.

>> No.35605505

>>35605485
Common Lisp can directly spawn external programs pretty easily, so I don't see why that would be a problem.

>> No.35605560

I'm currently using i3. Once LXDE is done being ported to Qt I'll give that another shot.

>>35600054
Add yourself to the video group and use startx.

>> No.35605591

it's all preferences, you guys are discussing about nothing, you are just wasting your time.

>> No.35605661

What happened to people wanting to use twm for older machines?

>> No.35605713

KDE is the DE i prefer, although i use windows because i'm not a power user so linux doesn't offer me anything.

>> No.35605723

OP here. I made this thread some hours ago and I thought it got buried. I'll try KDE and MATE.

>> No.35605730

>>35598752

my nigga

>>35598786

Main project or that Klyde initiative or whatever they're calling it?

Razor-Qt is coming along as well. I could see a lot of people taking Razor and using KWin as its WM once the packaging/dependencies are lean enough.

>> No.35605738

>>35605730
Razor-Qt is dead, bro. It's merging with LXDE's Qt5 port.

>> No.35605743

>>35605730
Razor-Qt is merging with LXDE-Qt and will no longer be maintained in its current form.

>> No.35605758

cinnamon

>> No.35605791

Linus Torvalds uses XFCE.

That said, tiling WM's are the way of the future.
There isn't a DE out there that will ever be faster, more light, ormore responsive than Fluxbox, openbox, Awesome, or any other simple WM.

>> No.35605835

>>35605791
Like twm?

>> No.35605837

>>35605791
dropped GNOME 3 for XFCE

dropped XFCE for KDE

dropped KDE for GNOME 3 once he got the extensions/features he wanted.

>> No.35605856

>>35605791

tiling wm's are great if you're a programmer, and everything said about their performance and speed is true.

they're fucking abysmal if you're trying to use multiple windows simultaneously like a student, soccer mom, or sysadmin would though.

>> No.35605866

>>35605837
Dropped all of the above for a Google Chromebook.

>> No.35605912

>>35605837
This is new information for me.
I'll admit, I haven't kept myself in the loop.
>>35605856
That's true, and back to OP's point, the only DE that I would say offers the same performance as XFCE to my knowledge, is LXDE.
But, XFCE is prettier, so I'm gonna side with OP on this discussion.

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35605996

>>35598981

>> No.35606010

Gnome

>> No.35606995

>>35605791
>tiling WM's
> Fluxbox, openbox

>> No.35607098

>>35606995
Both have tiling rules, that can be easily turned on and off.

>> No.35607196

>>35607098
That's like calling windows 3.11's wm a tiling wm.

>> No.35607221

>>35607196
Windows prior to 3.0 tiled by default because of Apple bullshit patent claims on overlapping windows. Windows retained tiling capability up through at least 98.

>> No.35607235

>>35607196
Well, it tiles, doesn't it?

>> No.35607237

>>35607196
I don't see the problem. If it can tile, than you can call it a tiling WM.

>> No.35607274

>>35607235
>>35607237
If you are going to include every window manager whose primary use isn't tiling the distinction becomes meaningless.

>> No.35607301

>>35607274
No, the distinction is "does it tile or not?" If yes, it's a tiling WM.

>> No.35607423

>>35607301
No. You are wrong.
By your definition i3 and awesome would be stacking window managers because they can stack floating windows. This is used mainly for popups but the main use of i3 and awesome is tiling and hence they are tiling windows managers.
As I said, if every wm can be everything the distinction is meaningless.
In any case, neither fluxbox nor openbox tile windows they use an external program to do it, so no they are not tiling window managers.

>> No.35607465

>>35607423
That's a fair argument.
I just threw out some examples WM's that I liked, and had used a tiling format with.

>> No.35608131

>>35603679
What's that theme and icons?

>> No.35608513

>>35606010
Gnome sucks now. Maybe the fallback is good but I haven't tried it yet.

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