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Who is grabbing Raf Simons in this picture?

>> No.8015274

>>8015240

His dignity for releasing those horrid collabs with adidas.

>> No.8015277

is raf basically a joke now?

>> No.8015280

>>8015277
no he's my favorite designer besides yohji

>> No.8015282

>>8015280
what do you like about him

>> No.8015284

>>8015282
his designs

>> No.8015286

>>8015284
what specifically about his designs?

>> No.8015293

>>8015286

the way they look

>> No.8015302

>>8015293
you're one of those fags who pretends to like fashion but only cares about the label

>> No.8015316

>>8015302
youre one of those fags that care too much , tryhard

>> No.8015325

>>8015316
i had sex with your mom

>> No.8015326

>>8015302
I think he's suggesting you do a bit more research yourself to start understanding, he's not just going to infodump his opinion or some co-opted sufu/sz passage on you like some fuccboi

>> No.8015327

FIGHT

>> No.8015331

>>8015302
>>8015316
>>8015293
this wasnt me

>> No.8015333

>>8015326
>.8015326
thats the entire point of this board, to discuss fashion, it's idiots like you and him that ruin this board, if you have info and arent willing to post it then dont post at all

>> No.8015344

>>8015284
I like the fact hes not afraid to try something different, and how he takes old, "tacky" things and gives them a modern edge

>> No.8015355

>>8015333
>thinks the point of /fa/ is to discuss fashion
ahahahaha
what world are you living in

what do you think about raf simons
(beyond the fact it's assuredly what you usually dress in)

>> No.8015371

>>8015355
that is the point of this board, idiot. To discuss fashion. Just because such discussion doesnt take place since this board is now completely consumer based doesnt mean that it's previous reason for existing isnt still there.

>> No.8015383

>>8015371
Why tho
why you edgy faggot do you think that's the point of this board?
And do you think that most people who browse this board have the experience or the willingness to properly conceptialise 'muh fashionz' at even a basic level?
For that matter, fashion discussion does go on here, if it's not as often as you like maybe you should start some yourself

what do you think about raf simons

>> No.8015384

raf simons is one of the greatest designers of all time

>> No.8015397

>>8015355
You're a newfag

Gb2/v/ or /mu/ with that shit

>> No.8015427

>>8015282
What I like about Raf are his designs from the late 90s-to mid 2000s. He made some truly "cool" designs for young people. He didn't just revise classic menswear, he made his own clothes from a wide range of modern influences.

I don't like any of his stuff enough to spend the money that the hyped stuff from that era demands.

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8015431

i don't like raf simons but apparently he's very important and i can't figure out why

i think maybe because he is a very decorated mechanism to expand the belgian art/fashion scene

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>>8015427
but a lot of people did that in the 90s???
with stronger visions too

>> No.8015451

>>8015431
>i think maybe because he is a very decorated mechanism to expand the belgian art/fashion scene

wot

>> No.8015456

>>8015448
Like who? I don't want to take part in some fashion diatribe shitfest. Just not very knowledgeable about fashion.

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8015464

>>8015451
i should have used vehicle instead of mechanism but w/e
his work got a lot of press despite being kind of amateur/lame compared to what else was available at the time
idk mebe i just don't get it, there's obviously a deeper vocab outside of the design itself

>> No.8015475

>>8015456
hollister

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8015480

>>8015431
why are you so dull

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>>8015456
mmm (prime)
helmut lang (mebe prime)
yohji (maybe prime)
c diem (prime)
geoffrey b small
issey miyake (prime imo, pleats really started to go ham, apoc got weight)
rick also came late 90s (bit after raf)

there's also heaps of cool dudes in the 2000s but i really think the 90s set up the foundation in this kind of social 'anti-fashion' agenda for all audiences

>> No.8015483

>>8015464
Yeah like the structural designs of his early pieces aren't really interesting to me in the way that I like Rick's or Tatsuro's. I don't know why they're so cool, they jsut seem fileld with this youthful angry energy.

Also it seems kind of ridiculous that Belgium would need to "expand" its scene when they already have/had so many renowned designers. Wasn't Demeulemeester's peak around the change of the century?

>> No.8015494

>>8015397
hahahaha
I come here because I like interesting/cool clothes mate, not because I want to discuss 'muh fashionz'

>>8015480
oi go check that thread where you posted your books so I can shove my ideas/taste in literature down your throat some

>> No.8015492

>>8015482
most of those designers weren't doing shit like raf was though (especially yohji/altieri).

raf made like high fashion walmart graphic tees.

>> No.8015498

>>8015482
>implying slab was better than raf at any point

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8015509

>>8015483
i think a lot of tats shit sucks nowadays but idk, i don't really follow it anymore. it's all meant to be chaos contrasted with zen + really heavy handed anime and techno refs iirc
there's actually a lot in _7 too but i don't really want to talk about all that and raf
(http://www.forum.fashionology.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=4))

rick is on his own grind

90s
ann d was a lot more subversive
i guess donk is the real hero in the belgian scene but i still do think raf is sort of the poster kid for belgian fashion
hmmm idk i'm not denying any of the 6+mmm wern't significant but i think raf has received-generated a lot more noise than all of them.
i think you have to keep in mind all the international competition that had suddenly appeared in paris (less than 20years earlier) and what that meant to their foothold

>> No.8015512

>>8015464
i think its the ideology more than anything
i like the whole youth begrudgingly growing up thing he has going on
looking at his past collections up to now it seems like the timeline of a young teen growing up

>> No.8015515

>>8015482

Hey TL where can I learn more about Helmut Lang and why he is important? I see lots of discussion here a long time ago about him but I look at his clothes and they look very normal to me. Where can I learn

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8015523

>>8015492
well obviously they're different designers?
i don't know what you're trying to say

altieri made leather button up shirts, perhaps comparable to high fashion wallmart graphic tees?
yohji made jackets with dali etched on the back. comparable to graphic tees?

>> No.8015539

>>8015512
it certainly makes it interesting, because being so much younger now that he's making clothes for young dads I can appreciate and relate to his earlier stuff a lot more than what he's making now
I mean I'll still buy a gradient jumper or w/e that's cool, but most of it

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8015542

>>8015512
are you straight up riffing on my posts and spitting that shit back at me?
check yourself
>>/fa/thread/S7977623#p7984295

>>8015515
timber actually sent me a few things earlier, idk if i should report so w/e
there are heaps of archives but idk what your local library stocks so i would just suggest hitting it up and checking hl in the search engine
there's also this which is perhaps the best and broadest image collection on the web?
http://archivings.net/

>> No.8015553

>>8015515
actually if you just search helmut lang into 'search word' and 'timber' into user name you'll find heaps of dope shit

>> No.8015557

>>8015542
lol nah dude i was re-reading that hapsical thing and noticed a trend
relax

>> No.8015554

>>8015509
It that post about Julius something you agree with or just something you want people to read?

>>8015542
I'd be happy people seem to be absorbing your ideas, maybe he came to the same viewpoint you did by himself
leave off yawn mate, check yo' intellectual privilege son

>> No.8015571

>>8015553

thanks man

>> No.8015568

>>8015509
> but i think raf has received-generated a lot more noise than all of them

fair enough. I don't really know who was popular or hyped then. Seems strange that Ann wouldn't be the postergirl because her designs were incredible and she was an antwerp graduate.

>>8015523
I think>>8015512
is right.

I'm not srticulating myself very well, but Raf had a vibrancy and was contemporary.

ty for Julius article b t w

>> No.8015589

>>8015553

Efrim y don't u post waywts anymore I like ur fits

>> No.8015588

>>8015240
Somebody photoshop Billy Herrington fucking Raf from behind.

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8015601

>>8015554
does it matter??
i think it's a good read

>>8015557
hapsical thing???

>>8015568
just fyi i've been spitting that raf ethos for around 3years (???)
>srticulating myself very well, but Raf had a vibrancy and was contemporary.
you're also saying absolutely nothing

>> No.8015602

>>8015568
>ty for Julius article b t w

Actually i take that back that post was completely irrelevant and ptencious bullshit.

I'm interested in how a garment looks and feels. I'm not interested in an elaborate story of influence which is usually incredibly tenuous and uncertain anyway.

>> No.8015612

>>8015601
>does it matter
I would like to know what you think though
It is a good read, I'd like to find one for their s/s14 collection

>>8015602
>looks
addressed in the post
>feels
why don't you go buy/try on some Julius then?
it's not exactly hard, and runway shows don't exist to give people a chance to see how a piece feels

>> No.8015618

>>8015602
>wanting someone to type out what julius feels like
the vapidister

but i guess these might werk better
http://www.forum.fashionology.org/viewforum.php?f=43
you probably won't care either way though
i mean...can someone really describe how a destroyed buffalo leather holister jacket with distressed pockets and huge snaps feels and not be elaborate?

>> No.8015633

>>8015601
15 years of brilliance
cant link it cuz 4chan thinks its spam , im sure u've read it b4 anyway

>> No.8015652

>>8015618
>wanting someone to type out what julius feels like

I don't want anyone to do that. It's impossible to really see what a garment is like over the internet.

>vapidister

lol. Do you seriously think fashion is a good medium for anything other than aesthetic ideas?

>>8015612
>runway shows don't exist to give people a chance to see how a piece feels


I didn't say they did and I never said that I was interested in fashion shows. What are you talking about?

Anyway I have to finish my uni work. Watch ur step If you come to palmerston north

-peace

>> No.8015653

>>8015612
?
it's a good read and talks about cool things?
like...yeah it's all solid
but idk i guess some of the references are a bit farfetched and probs not s/t tat cared about at all
also a great lack of jap cultural ref but i don't think the author was coming from there anyway
perhaps a good western translation of his work

this is a raf thred tho

>>8015633
i haven't read it

>> No.8015849

>>8015482
What do you mean by "prime?"

If you're trying to list the most influential or impactful designers working in the menswear industry during the 90s...then Helmut tops that list, followed by Margiela (just out of the ones you mentioned.) I would MAYBE put Yohji third, MAYBE, but the truth is that Yohji's contributions are most significant in really a discrete range of the industry. If you consider the modern market as a whole, the largest impact on the largest sector is by Helmut Lang.

But of course, because he gets such relatively short play on SZ, and because no Danish museums have taken the time to write any coffeetable books about him...his work is only just beginning to gain the widespread recognition it deserves.

>> No.8015864

>>8015849
I think he means when the designers were at their peak, in his opinion.

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8015873

give me a face to add

>> No.8015875

>>8015873
rick

>> No.8015876

>>8015280
has 2 b b8

>> No.8015896

>>8015849
i'm saying how cool i thought their work was in comparison to their other work during that time period (altieri made his best work in the 90s etc)
it wasn't a hierarchy.
i'm not talking about influence

the point of the post was that in my opinion raf's work can't hold a candle to their works (those mentioned)
yeah i guess during that period of the 90s helmut was most influential (in fact you can definitely see the influence of his work on designers like yohji in no more than 2years)

i'm not going to really say over their entire careers who had the MOST impact but i will say that to me yohji and cdg paved the road for designers like mm, hl, hc, raf...
just like issey paved the road for yy blah blah blah

this typing also seems familiar

>> No.8015897

>>8015864
Oh, okay. That makes much more sense.

>> No.8015905

>>8015873
why no pants?

>> No.8015913

>>8015905
>>8015905
thats the joke hes being analed :^)

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>>8015915

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>>8015875

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>>8015293

>> No.8015979

>>8015966
incredible. saved.

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>>8015966

>> No.8015985

>>8015966
Raf Simons, Rick Owens usually what I fap to.

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>>8015990

>> No.8016033

>>8015240
who cares.