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[Anonymous No.6989]

How are Photographers/Artist making real money nowadays?
are there any "rockstars" of photography?


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[Anonymous No.6990]

One lucky shot turns you into a brand and then people start buying shit from you because your name is slapped onto it.

[Anonymous No.6991]

>>6989
look up terry richardson

[BurtGummer !!1cdp+8vuoOY No.6992]

Wolfgang Tillmans
David Lachappelle
Rodney Graham
ed burtynsky
cindy sherman
annie leibovitz

[Anonymous No.6993]

>>6989
It's all networking, aside from one or two huge lucky breaks (Alec soth went from small time stuff immediately to the Whitney Biennial).

[Anonymous No.6994]

>>6989
Ken Rockwell is probably the best photographer alive desu

[Anonymous No.6995]

>>6994
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6996]

>>6989
SEBAS
TIAO
SAL
GADO

[Anonymous No.6997]

Joey L is quietly a GOD among "rock stars".

[Anonymous No.6998]

>>6997
Literally the only photog i know by name. His work is great but he's not re-inventing the wheel. I get the feeling anyone could go out and copy his style and be very successful. He just keeps it simple and sticks with good principles and doesn't try gimmicky shit.

[Anonymous No.6999]

>>6998
>wheel. I get the feeling anyone could go out and copy his style and be very successful.

Trips checked. If that was true, why has no one else done it?

[Anonymous No.7000]

>>6998
There's definitely a simplicity and familiarity in his work, but that definitely doesn't mean it's easily replicated. If you honestly believe so, I'd love to see you best attempt.

[Anonymous No.7001]

Video work

[Anonymous No.7002]

>>7000
>>6999
>>6998
It's not easily replicated by anyone but its doable for people who understand lighting.

His photos stand out though because of the subject matter. Although they appear heavily edited and I wonder if the sun in a lot of those is real or just an effect. Not that it matters for his clients and I'm not trying to bring him down either, but its important to identify that so we can differentiate real photography from digital artwork.

[Anonymous No.7003]

>>7002
Sometimes I wonder if you /p/haggots have a shortcut key that just auto-generates autisbabble. Maybe while you're at it you could point out the fact that anyone has yet to name an actual Rock n' Roll Allstar.

[Anonymous No.7004]

>>7003
Sometimes I wonder if 4chan has a shortcut key for snarky, angry attacks over nothing. It's getting harder and harder to type something out without some shitter like you blowing their top.

[fucking cuck !!L1lx81epp6B No.7005]

>>7003

Terry Richardson was mentioned in the second post, fucktard. Now quit ye this mortal coil my man.

[Anonymous No.7006]

>>6999
Because I'm full of shit and not correct.

But I did watch a few of his videos where he explains how he took his shots. Seems to me his calling card is placing a secondary light diagonal to subject. It all seems very simple, but surely he makes it look easier than it is. If I had an extra $2k in the budget I'd love to see how closely I could replicate his work.

[Anonymous No.7007]

How exactly does the process of becoming a successful art/commercial photographer work?

How do they finance their projects while having still time to do the projects? Especially if they travel around and use a lot of film that they also have to get scanned and developed. How do they get popular companies as their clients? How do they get the money to produce a photo book that is sold in big bookstores? How do they get to photograph celebrities? How does their work get displayed in a big gallery?

It's all a mystery to me. How can I learn more about it?

[fucking cuck !!L1lx81epp6B No.7008]

>>7007

you put a slash between art and commercial as if the two approaches were exactly the same.

they aren't.

art is academic; you have to have a degree in photography, at least a master's. then, you support yourself by either teaching, do commercial work on the side, or through patronage/grants/endowment/stipend. eventually you will sell prints worth enough (or if you're on the lower tier of the art market, you'll sell enough prints period) to support yourself. typically, though, you work within the confines of universities and get them to publish your monographs, etc. The commercial publishers like Taschen, Phaidon, etc all come later, well after you've achieved critical success.

Commercial photography can resemble art photography occasionally, specifically when it's decor-centered scenics, stuff like Peter Lik, etc. You know, something your parents would want hanging up in the living room. Most of the time, though, it's just a straight up capitalistic hustle. You start small, build up a portfolio and work your way up to big clients in the big city, if you're any good. A lot of the bigger commercial photographers also went to school for photography, though they typically went to one of those expensive commercial art schools like parsons, RISD, ACCD, or the now-defunct Brooks. Once you have the necessary skills, it's a matter of networking and salesmanship. The most important product you're selling is yourself. Everything else is secondary.

[Anonymous No.7009]

>>7008
>you put a slash between art and commercial as if the two approaches were exactly the same.

I did that because I see some photographers doing both. On their site they will have advertisements they did for other companies but also personal artistic work. I would say fashion photography is somewhere between art and commercial.

[fucking cuck !!L1lx81epp6B No.7010]

>>7009

nah, it's commercial. just because something is artistic doesn't mean it's capital-a Art.

portraiture, on the other hand, is art. you can also shoot fashionable portraits, but the intent is different.

also, if you a photographer's website and it's 90% commercial and 10% art, he's a commercial photographer, not a working artist. most working artists will do their commercial work anonymously, or they won't advertise it. it's sort of seen as being beneath them once they get to a certain level of success.

[Anonymous No.7011]

>>7010
How do art photographers manage to get exclusive subjects? Like say if they want to do photographs inside industrial buildings? Or document something backstage? Do you need a lot of money and fame for that?

I like photography but I just don't know if I have the talent for it. Is it really something you can aquire through hard work? There is just so much competition, it seems so uncertain to be able to get success.

[Anonymous No.7012]

>>7006
How the fuck does any you've said relate to
>How are Photographers/Artist making real money nowadays?
are there any "rockstars" of photography?

Are you lost? Did you honestly forget what thread you were posting in?

[Anonymous No.7013]

>>7012
(you)

[fucking cuck !!L1lx81epp6B No.7014]

>>7011

Sometimes you just gotta ask. Again, it's all about selling yourself and just putting yourself out there at the risk of rejection.

And success is really, really far from certainty. In fact, I'll be clear right now and tell you: you won't make it, or at least you won't be the next gursky. You can certainly eke out a comfortable living doing the yeoman's work of wedding photography and senior portraits. You might even get good and sell prints on the art show circuit like Alex Burke. However, the chances are unimaginably slim, nigh impossible, that someone is just going to stumble across your instagram and throw a book deal at you. It takes connections and networking and salesmanship to make it big in photography, but more than anything it takes luck.

[Anonymous No.7015]

I worked my way from the bottom of the film industry starting off as an intern on a big tv show and am now rapidly climbing my way up the ranks as an on set photographer.

The trick is to be yourself and believe you can achieve whatever you want. But be careful what you wish for.

Follow this simple advice and you will shape your own future. Screen cap it.

[Anonymous No.15201]

>>7008
>aster's in photography
please tell me that's not a real thing

[Anonymous No.15219]

Chase Jarvis anyone?

[Anonymous No.16373]

>>6992
>Wolfgang Tillmans

truly groundbreaking stuff.......


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[Mirari !!rEkSWzi2+mz No.16380]

if it isn't for photographers your fashion shill was going to be real shit.
Some photographers are creative enough to make branding and create images that can ilude you to dress one way or another.

everything is about image.

[Anonymous No.16391]

>>16373
You should see Gursky's Rhein II then.

[Anonymous No.16406]

>>16391
This is also from Gursky.

[Anonymous No.16431]

>>16391
>>16406
i take random photos like this everyday

kek