/fa/ - Fashion

[Anonymous No.6937546]

I'm about to pull the trigger on some high top black Raf velcros. They'll be my first actually designer purchase (unless you consider APC to be designer stuff).

I'd like to know beforehand if they're really worth the money.
They cost half a grand, which is a bit more expensive than CP Achilles, yet they have the same soles.

Can I really expect CP quality on the Rafs? Will the leather last really long, can I beat them up a little without stuff tearing apart?
Or should I rather cop CPs if I care about quality a lot?

Basically, are Raf Simons velcros worth the money for real, compared to other high quality shoes?

Pic semi related, I'll get them entirely black.

[Yawn No.6937557]

I only own one raf piece (the ombre jumper) but it's fantastic quality and I can't fault it at all
As for the shoes I don't really know what to tell you other than I would buy them in white as they age better imo
Plus don't buy them new
Deals pop up on sufu and the like all the time
User got his white ones for $200

[Gaspard No.6937560]

>>6937546
The new ones are made in portugal so they won't be as great quality as old raf velcros are, but if you're that concerned, just get CPs if you want.

[Anonymous No.6937583]

>>6937557
Can you really compare the shoes' quality to the jumper's? I mean can you assume that all Raf pieces are excellent based on that?
Not trying to call you out, btw, it's a genuine question.

>in white
I already own white shoes and I don't like it when I get dirt and shit on them.
Why would blacks age badly?

>don't buy them new
Are there really frequent good deals on the Internet?
What if they arrive and they're beat up?
Will I really lose money if I spend 500 dollars on new velcros?

>>6937560
I just want to know if the quality is equivalent to that of CPs since Achilles are said to last a decade.
I don't want to have to replace the velcros after a few years, I really want them to hold up. I'm a freshman in college, I'd like to still have them by the time I graduate.

Is the price/quality bad since I'm concerned about it?

Also I don't know how CPs size really.

I have inserts, which makes it more difficult to find shoes.
Usually, I size 42 (European). I tried Raf velcros in 43 with my inserts and they fit well (I had a bit of space left but it was comfortable).

[Anonymous No.6937581]

>>6937560
>won't be as great quality
That's not true, the quality is the same. The soles are still the same ones as the ones used in CP

[Anonymous No.6937588]

cps are better quality than portugal rafs

[Anonymous No.6937594]

>>6937581
I have cps and ss2013 velcros. The soles aren't identical the rafs use slightly shittier soles.

[Anonymous No.6937595]

>>6937591
Wot

I sized one up with my inserts and they fit comfortably. I don't understand.

[Anonymous No.6937591]

>>6937583
you need to size 1 down with both cp and raf

[Yawn No.6937602]

>>6937583
Wasn't comparing the jumper to the shoes , just letting you know the raf piece I have is really good quality , thought it'd help ease your mind a bit lol
As for the deals , if you're persistent you can easily find some
I copped brand new CP mids for £115
And as for the aging it's a matter of taste ofc but imo I think white shoes kind of grow the more you walk in them and tell their own little story after a while

[Anonymous No.6937603]

>>6937588
>>6937594
Still, is it really noticeable?
Can the Rafs fall apart? Or will they still hold up very well?

[Anonymous No.6937611]

>>6937609
>dressing for other people

[Anonymous No.6937609]

>>6937594
Holy shit... Fuck
What will my friends say when I show them my soles ;_;

[Anonymous No.6937623]

>>6937602
>ease your mind
Well since it's my first really expensive cop, I'm unsure. I don't usually buy 500 dollar sneakers, and my main concern is that the Rafs would fall apart after a few years...
>if you're persistent
Usually, where are the best deals?
What about sales on MrPorter or whatever?

Yeah I understand. Dirt kind of bothers me though so I probably won't get them white.
Can black leather look really shitty?

[Anonymous No.6937620]

>>6937602
>tell their own little story after a while
stop

[Yawn No.6937633]

>>6937623
Black leather always looks good if you ask me
Best deals are ebay/sufu
Make a WTB thread on sufu and you might get lucky
If you do buy them new mr porter does next day delivery if you live in london which is p.cool though

[Anonymous No.6937646]

>>6937623
Those velcros are there to stay until sale

Sufu is a great marketplace. That being said, Raf Simons velcros will not show up anytime soon. Especially to your specifics size, year and condition:price ratio.

Waiting until f/w sale.

[Anonymous No.6937647]

>>6937546

OP did you try them on IRL? Do they fit true to size? I say definitely cop, i'm contemplating buying the same ones aswell :)

[Anonymous No.6937651]

fuck black velcros they bore me

[Anonymous No.6937658]

>>6937647
me too, but fuck, i think cps and raf velcros are how to spot someone from /fa/

[user !2XhiKUKGEo No.6937663]

>>6937623

>my main concern is that the Rafs would fall apart after a few years

if youre just walking they last quite a long time. mine are quite old and have been repaired but i dont like skateboard or do construction work in them much. i think the white ones were from 07? I wore through the heel lining and had it patched, and i had the heel changed so it could be replaced easy. but i can definitely see them lasting another year or two.

[Anonymous No.6937664]

>>6937633
I don't trust eBay that much (I don't know if dreambox Rafs exist but w/e) but I'll look around on sufu.

>If you do buy them new
Since they'd cost around 500 dollars, is it really stupid?
I like buying things new, but maybe I'm getting ripped off.
I live in Paris, not London.

What do you think of copping them one size up though?
IIRC they fit quite well, and since I have inserts it makes it easier.

>>6937646
>Waiting until f/w sale
>are there to stay until sale
I didn't really understand, do you mean they'll be on sale?

>>6937647
Yeah I tried them on. I usually wear size 42 (with inserts) but I tried them size 43 and they fit quite well I think...
>definitely cop
I want to be sure that quality is worth it. If it is, then I'll cop.

>>6937651
I can't pull that off.

[Anonymous No.6937689]

>>6937603
I don't treat mine nicely and they're holding up fine. Holographic velcros they look good worn in

>>6937609
Idk bro but they're nearly identical but the raf sole feels slightly thinner

[Anonymous No.6937687]

>>6937664
as long as they don't sell out of stock, they will be on sale in december, likely everywhere you can find them online

wait it out until december and then cop for half price on mrporter, it happens every year

[Anonymous No.6937681]

>>6937663
>if youre just walking
I usually walk, and almost never run.
I often go to crowded places where I can sometimes get stepped on my shoes, though.

>07
So they lasted you six years? That's not bad. Do you own CPs? Can you compare?

>heel lining
Do velcros have any very vulnerable and/or shitty parts?

[Anonymous No.6937679]

>>6937647
I usually wear sz 40 and also bought them in 40.
Length: 26.2 cm
Width: 10 cm.

I have a good cm space in the toebox.

[user !2XhiKUKGEo No.6937682]

>>6937663

also, here is a guy i know on sufu who has beaten his rafs much worse than mine, i think theyre from the same period

[Anonymous No.6937696]

>>6937623
Doubt the black ones will last til sales. Maybe some funny sizes.

[Gaspard No.6937699]

>>6937658
I don't think so. Both are pretty popular.

[user !2XhiKUKGEo No.6937713]

>>6937681

no i dont own cps, i had a pair of achilles but i really didnt like how they looked so i sold them. but the vulnerable part is definitely the part of the hardware where the lower velcro comes through, you bend your foot when you walk so that part becomes creased and will eventually tear, but i think that takes several years

also the heel lining unless they fit extremely tightly.

but honestly if you want shoes that last a long time just get like red wing work boots, dont bother with sneakers if youre really worried about them lasting a lifetime.

[Anonymous No.6937717]

>>6937682
How much do Ramones boots go for 2nd hand?

[user !2XhiKUKGEo No.6937723]

>>6937717

500-800usd depending on condition

you can get ones in very nice shape for 650 shipped, black or black/white

[Anonymous No.6937736]

>>6937717
You can't pull them off

[Anonymous No.6937758]

>>6937687
I can get them IRL for 370 euros which is cheaper than both Ssense and MrPorter, how much do they usually sell for on the latter?

>>6937689
For how long have you owned your Rafs?

>>6937696
On the Internet you mean?
>funny sizes
43 will be gone right

>>6937713
>i had a pair of achilles
Ah, you didn't own them long enough to really assess their quality right?
>you bend your foot when you walk so that part becomes creased and will eventually tear
Shit. I wouldn't want that to happen, can it be fixed easily?

>if you want shoes that last a long time
I want sneakers. But I want to get the most out of them for the price. Since I want rather high end sneakers, I thought Raf velcros would fit me well, but I'm not sure if I'm really getting my money's worth.

I wear NBs atm and they hold up pretty well, I just want my Rafs to feel and hold considerably better than the NBs. Paying 400-500 bucks for shoes that feel like 100 bucks isn't what I want, at all.

[user !2XhiKUKGEo No.6937762]

>>6937736

id like to try

[user !2XhiKUKGEo No.6937785]

>>6937758

>I want sneakers. But I want to get the most out of them for the price. Since I want rather high end sneakers, I thought Raf velcros would fit me well, but I'm not sure if I'm really getting my money's worth.

I mean mine have lasted ~6 years with repairs, and might get to 8, so that is a good guess if youd like one.

but honestly i wouldnt recommend them to you because in terms of total longevity, almost any high end sneaker is not the right choice. if you want a better price to durability ratio i would definitely recommend you get a pair of new balance instead, or even a pair of vans. If you buy 370 euros worth of vans they will last way longer than one pair of rafs will.

but if youre buying for the design, that is a different matter entirely.

[Anonymous No.6937789]

>>6937723
Thx they are my next shoe purchase. I would even get the dorkshadow version that poplin or w.e looks cool. Well either these or annd hightops the ones that go all high

I have velcros but just want a more aggressive pair of sneakers that are ridiculous.

>>6937736
Dude stop acting like you know me

[Anonymous No.6937793]

>>6937785
Op kinda sound like he don't have money to buy designer shit but wants too
I'm in the same situation
;_;

[Anonymous No.6937809]

>>6937789
Talk shit post fits

[user !2XhiKUKGEo No.6937812]

>>6937789

yeah the drkshdw ones in fabric look awesome as well i think

>>6937793

yeah the unfortunate reality is that many high end clothes are not designed to be the most efficient purchases possible.

[Anonymous No.6937813]

>>6937785
>this is a good guess if youd like one
Yeah. If I'm really careful with the Rafs, how long do you think they could last without repairs?

>almost any high end sneaker is not the right choice
But I want a high end sneaker with a good design. I don't want "just" quality, I also want design and muh luxury footwear.
>almost
So are there high end sneakers which you could recommend then?

>new balance
Already own black low tops from NB and they're quite cool but I want higher end stuff.
>vans
Never found a pair of Vans which I really liked, and every single douchebag owns a pair here. The connotation is bad.

>>6937793
I have a few grand saved up, the velcros will be my first designer purchase so I'm careful...

[Anonymous No.6937817]

>>6937812
What would you call the "most efficient purchases possible" which also meet a high end/luxury garment criteria

I heard Visvim boots were indestructible, for example

Not OP btw

[Anonymous No.6937819]

>>6937817
Army boots

[user !2XhiKUKGEo No.6937836]

>>6937813

>Yeah. If I'm really careful with the Rafs, how long do you think they could last without repairs?

probably 4 years, thats when the heel lining in mine had big holes in it.

>But I want a high end sneaker with a good design. I don't want "just" quality, I also want design and muh luxury footwear.

well there is not really a huge different from rafs, cp, lanvin, zanotti, givenchy, balenciaga, kva, margiela, saint laurent, dior homme, etc.

I would just tell you buy based on the design you like once your at that price point.

>Never found a pair of Vans which I really liked, and every single douchebag owns a pair here. The connotation is bad.

i was just making a point, its not about vans specifically, its about price/longevity ratio

[user !2XhiKUKGEo No.6937842]

>>6937817

>which also meet a high end/luxury garment criteria

you need to define what that criteria is for you because lots of people think of it differently

[Anonymous No.6937847]

>>6937842
to me it's the use of the highest quality materials possible, garments that stand the test of time very well, that are comfortable, well cut etc

[Anonymous No.6937855]

just buy them faggot

[Anonymous No.6937862]

>>6937836
>4 years
Yeah that's pretty good I guess. Holes in the heel lining aren't that much of a concern as they can be easily fixed I think, I just don't want whole parts of the shoe tearing apart, the sole turning to shit, etc. Used to own Converses and that happened.

>not really a huge different
Well those brands have very different prices though so I guess Raf would be one of the best for the price? Lanvin, Givenchy etc are much more expensive than simple black high tops from RS

>its about price/longevity ratio
How frequently did you wear your Rafs?
I could just buy some good Nikes for most occasions and try not to wear the velcros every day.

>>6937855
Easy to tell someone to buy something when it's not your money you're dealing with

[user !2XhiKUKGEo No.6937866]

>>6937847

id probably say a used pair of carpe diem boots

ive seen them go for ~650 the leather is insanely high quality, and because of the very oldschool construction can basically be repaired easily almost endlessly and last a lifetime...its really easy to replace the heel, and the sole etc, and if a stitch breaks after several years, any shoemaker can repair it easily etc.

the problem with the modern construction on lots of different shoes/boots etc is that its harder to mend

[user !2XhiKUKGEo No.6937871]

>>6937862

i rotate them with other shoes, but generally at least 2 days per week i wear them.

but i also wear combat boots often, dr martens often, and ro sneakers so everything kind of wears slowly.

[Anonymous No.6937874]

>>6937862
jesus, dude. either buy them or don't. designer sneakers as a whole are definitely more well-constructed than cons so the only issue for you here is whether or not the design is appealing enough

[Anonymous No.6937880]

>>6937871
>>6937874
Ok, I think I'll buy them then.

Nobody answered to my question about sizing though, will I get problems if I size up because of my orthopedic inserts?

[Anonymous No.6937881]

>>6937880
Yes.

[Anonymous No.6937884]

>>6937881
In which ways?

[user !2XhiKUKGEo No.6937889]

>>6937880

i highly doubt it would be an issue because you just take out the old insoles and put your inserts in.

but i would definitely advise trying them in person to make sure, its impossible to guess on something like that.

[Anonymous No.6937911]

>>6937884
Rafs are 1 size larger. So, if you size up, they would be 2 size larger and it won't be okay.

>>6937889
My insoles were glued in pretty tight.

[Anonymous No.6937915]

>>6937889
>trying them in person
I tried them size 43 and I usually wear size 42.
I think I actually put my inserts ON the original insole instead of replacing it. I'm not sure though. I'd have to try them on again...
>>6937911
See what I said above, I find it strange because even though I technically had two sizes up, I felt like the shoes were perfect.

[Anonymous No.6937921]

>>6937862
I bought them and I'm poorer than you.

[Anonymous No.6937923]

>>6937921
Do you have buyer's remorse or do you like them?

[user !2XhiKUKGEo No.6937928]

>>6937911

>glued

what

are they portugal ones? mine are definitely designed to be removable so you can put your own if you like.

[Anonymous No.6937927]

>>6937923
I like them a lot. Just make sure you get the right size, so try them on before buying if possible.

[Anonymous No.6937936]

>>6937927
>make sure to get the right size
Yeah will do. I still don't know why 43 felt right.

[Anonymous No.6937945]

>>6937928
No. They were rivets instead of velcros though. I bought them new from mrporter.

[Anonymous No.6938054]

>>6937594
no. they're the same.

[mamma död No.6938058]

My pair are from ss05, or aw05, not sure. F-A-N-T-A-S-T-I-C quality. The sole is starting to fall off now, but still. Newer ones I haven't handled, saw someone at a club yesterday wearing the multicolored ones, they're cute af but I don't know how they hold up.

[Anonymous No.6938071]

>>6938058
could you list some positives and negatives of your:
raf velcros
rick geobakets
rick ramones
dbss
?

[Anonymous No.6938087]

>>6937583
>inserts?
u a manlet m8?

[Anonymous No.6938090]

>>6938087
Orthopedic, because I have fucked up feet.
>>6938058
>I don't know how they hold up
Do you think the quality could have dropped significantly?

[Anonymous No.6938221]

>>6937836
Omfg User that pic. There is a size 41 pair somewhere out there but I am a 43

Would I be fa-suffering? Worth the cop?

[hip$ster !HALO3F/O26 No.6938308]

>>6937546
I remember some anon posting his raf velcros tearing apart at the eyelets, he was very sad

that's all I know

[Anonymous No.6938512]

>>6938308
wot

tell me more

[hip$ster !HALO3F/O26 No.6938557]

>>6938512
he posted pics and it seemed like he wasn't used to buying expensive shoes. they started to rip at the eyelets and he hadn't had them for very long. that's all I remember. I think they were the holo velcros

shit happens

[mamma död No.6938568]

>>6938071

raf velcro: comfortable, convenient (lacing shoes is a bitch after you've worn velcro for a while), high quality
ss13 geobaskets: hot af, unique silhouette, gorgeous leather. the new sole is more hard wearing than the crepe, but the crepe is very comfortable.
ramones: from a notorious season, staples are very cool BUT they're not the best when it comes to durability, plus that season's staples rust. Comfortable, cute. The lining wasn't really sewn on perfectly, but not really a problem if you wear em with laces.
dbss: built like tanks, i've beaten them with a motherfucking sledgehammer and they're still top notch. Almost as high quality you can get when it comes to sneakers, I can't see them breaking any time soon.

[Anonymous No.6939354]

any shoes better than raf velcros for the price

considering copping some achilles low tops but i dunno

[mamma död No.6939362]

>>6939354

if you're paying retail and getting a basic colorway, i.e. black or white, get the cp's.

[Anonymous No.6939364]

>>6939362
why?

is the sizing the same?
what about the fit?

[Anonymous No.6939369]

>>6939354
Two styles. Choose the one you like.

[Anonymous No.6939371]

>>6938568
hur fungerar geobaskets som vinterskor?

[Anonymous No.6939373]

>>6939369
no difference in build quality tho?

[mamma död No.6939914]

>>6939371

Relativt varma, har inte använt dem i snö och dyl. än, så kan inte riktigt säga något. Lär använda dem i vinter dock, så vi får se. :V

[Anonymous No.6941482]

Let's get this going /fa/-riends

[trunks !!SE08Bv/gZZR No.6941492]

>>6939364
because if youre paying retail youre getting the new ones

which are made in portugal

[trunks !!SE08Bv/gZZR No.6941493]

>>6938568
how do your dbss fit? could i fit in sz3 dbss as a sz12?

[Anonymous No.6941897]

>>6939373
nope

[Anonymous No.6941936]

you might consider these if you are only paying for style and not for the name...

http://www.palladiumboots.com/shop/us-men/us-men-footwear/rc-strap-high-rc-navy-03136-400.html

[trunks !!SE08Bv/gZZR No.6941979]

>>6941936
lol...

[Anonymous No.6942092]

>>6941936
>style
mm not seeing it

[Snusmumriken !!FQvTLbi6snR No.6942390]

>>6939914

bara att passa dig för saltet, torka av med en fuktig trasa och ha på lite saphir renovateur för skyddande verkan.

[SteppingOnSnails !J6VcM5OMxk No.6943149]

Not reading this fuccubwoi ridden thread

Ye they worth the money if ur gettin them for <350
Dont buy the portuguese shitty ones, wait for a pair of italys to pop up. Anyone saying theyre the same hasnt seen both at the same time.

Havent destroyed mine yet, pic related is what they look like a few months into heavy wear so i cant really speak on how they age~~ so far so good tho b

[Anonymous No.6943309]

>>6943149
Which type of Ace jean is this?

[Anonymous No.6943318]

>>6943149
Are the Italys really that great

[SteppingOnSnails !g9AgpuT.lQ No.6943484]

>>6943309

Acne max ca$h

Super hot fire

[$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ No.6943516]

>>6943318
ya