/fa/ - Fashion

[Anonymous No.6078974]

Rick, or Raf and why?

[Anonymous No.6078987]

Tie. I like some of their stuff and I dislike some of their stuff.

[ct No.6078999]

They're polar opposites and hardly comparable

>b-but muh asap rocky said

[Anonymous No.6079004]

nobody actually likes Rick Owens, it's just an inside joke here, lurk more

[Anonymous No.6079012]

>>6078974

Given how little suiting I wear, I don't have too much room for Raf in my life and I like his suiting and tailoring more than most of the rest of the line. I could find space for all those tees and knits, but I prefer mine to be a little looser and slouchier.

[Anonymous No.6079011]

>>6079004
>implying you can even afford him
stay mad

[Anonymous No.6079022]

>>6079011
right. & how many runway pieces do you own, pleb?

[twerk it No.6079020]

rick is more interesting from a design perspective, mostly due to his skill with pattern work, and will probably be considered a lot more important in retrospect. that said, most of rick's most compelling propositions are only in his womenswear, so people who only pay attention to menswear or who only consider the appeal to their own personal taste could disagree with me.

raf has done some great work though, when he's been in control of the right team. my friend has a really brilliant raf coat that i should try to find some pics of. men's coat with a shape and construction reappropriated from couture, with a sort of gusseted sleeve and reverse pleated back that allow for lots of freedom of movement

[Anonymous No.6079031]

>>6078974
Raf AW04
Rick "crust" FW09/10

[Anonymous No.6079026]

>>6079022
boots are runway

[Anonymous No.6079032]

>>6079020
You are a fucking idiot. People like you are the reason why 4chan is so shit. You say horrid things like that over the internet and don't understand how much it hurts to be told that. I have suffered with depression since I was 7 years old and have been bullied for 13 years in school and now I get bullied online! People like you should be the ones to fucking die because when you say things like that to people like me we DO hurt and sometimes we DO hurt ourselves. If I ever met you in real life I would have my boyfriend kill you because he is the best thing to happen in my life and knows how much of cunts you people on the internet are. In realitys you are pusses who are self conciouse about yourself which is why you say these things. Rant over, you lose internet troll.

[Anonymous No.6079037]

>>6079020
why can't /fa/ be more like this

[twerk it No.6079033]

>>6079020
>raf has done some great work though, when he's been in control of the right team.

this is kind of key, though. rick for revillon was still hardcore rick (and rick is pretty revillon to begin with, but that's another story), and rick was still doing really similar work more than a decade ago and, even where he do to something like ivy revival, it would still read as rick because you'd recognize his approach to drape and drafting.

raf has a voice, but without any skill of his own in making and designing clothing, he's subjected to the talents and voices of his team. raf in control of a weak team would give weak collections; c.f. hedi at slp in contrast to hedi anywhere else

[Anonymous No.6079040]

>>6079020

I think there's plenty of interesting pattern cutting that happens in Raf shows (the no-closure suiting from a few springs ago, the bias-cutting on the "X" coats a few seasons ago, the exaggerated proportions on all the early bombers), but I think what you're getting at is that Raf works very much WITHIN the confines of traditional tailoring, subvering those expectations by keeping things looking normal when they're not.

In comparison, most of the Rick patterns, even the ones based on classic styles (e.g. Stooges, any of the jeans), have been developed with Rick's own idiosyncrasies. There's a specific language of cut that Rick's worked on, revisiting and refining over the years, that makes something like a Rick suit jacket so instantly recognizable (the suppressed waist, the softly peaked shoulder, the flared cuff, the "collarless" collars, the extremely high slit on the back) that differentiates his cuts from others.

I think of it as Raf is making us reexamine existing styles by reworking things we know while Rick removes things we know from their usual context and creates his own version of them.

[Anonymous No.6079050]

Ln-cc posted some pieces from Raf archive, with absolutely ridiculous prices.
http://www.ln-cc.com/mens-brands/raf-simons-archive/icat/raf-simons-mens

[Anonymous No.6079056]

>>6079050

Chances are that's the stuff that's been moved around from Y! Japan to SZ to sufu to SZ to sufu to Rakuten to Y! Japan and just landed in the LN-CC team's closet.

[twerk it No.6079066]

>>6079040
some of rick's early suiting didn't really appeal to me, but suddenly starting with crust and especially with mountain and plinth, he's practically making exactly the suit jackets i would want to make if i had the skill. i don't like the extended shoulders in most men's suiting, i much prefer something higher set and narrower.

[OL' DIRTY BASTARD No.6079063]

>>6079050
theres some icey pieces doe

[Anonymous No.6079073]

>>6079020
OP here,
Thank you very much for your insight. Do you own any Raf? I agree about the women's wear being more superior than the men's line. Would it be odd for me to rock pieces from the women's line? I think I'm passed being limited to garments due to a gender.

[OL' DIRTY BASTARD No.6079076]

>>6079073
>I think I'm passed being limited to garments due to a gender.
you've made it bruh

[Anonymous No.6079081]

>>6079056
I think clothes are straight from the Raf own archives or from they past Raf archive sale.
>>6079063
Nah, in fact, there is nothing interesting

[twerk it No.6079084]

>>6079073
i don't own an raf, very little of it meets my personal vision.

>Would it be odd for me to rock pieces from the women's line?

rick himself would probably approve, and i'm honestly kind of surprised to see rick fans hating on men in womens rick, because subversion and provocations and outright drag and kitsch is so important to rick's vocabulary. that said, the cutting is pretty fascist, so you'd have to be especially small to fit into rick's womenswear. he does go up to large sizes, like 48 iirc, but that's really still equivalent to a men's S or so, and most retailers seem to stop at 44.

[twerk it No.6079086]

>>6079084
compare the makeup

[Anonymous No.6079088]

>>6079056
nope. all the stuff is new and untouched. preserved

[ct No.6079095]

>>6079050
To be fair the retail back in the day was generally even more

[Anonymous No.6079104]

>>6079088

Except for the fact that they have to mention the condition of each item. I'm sure they haven't been worn a lot, but it's not beyond imagination that they're archival pieces that have moved between collectors.

[Anonymous No.6079110]

They're not even comparable...this is what happens when kids like OP listen to ASAP and think they know about fashion.

[twerk it No.6079113]

>>6079110
they work in the same industry and even show in the same city
oh, they both like architecture too

[ct No.6079123]

>>6079095
also rаf isn't а designer who is so interested in designing clothes. he is а designer interested in visualizing аn ideа, а concept, аnd аn ideology. he's telling a story of his past, his present, and his future. his collections are very personal, and to some that can be off-putting. in many ways rick is similar in this aspect. they're both telling their own personal stories through the clothing. raf in his prime (late 90s-mid 2000s) was undoubtedly one of the most influential designers of that time. his influence still shows today with many designers, rick included. (damir doma even worked under him and walter van beirndonck i believe it was walter, that's irrelevant though)
rick is really great too. he's definitely more focused on the designing of the clothing, but it's all still personal nonetheless. everyone and their mothers are copying rick, and have been for many many years. i think rick is one of the best, perhaps the best currently. raf at his best was one of the best ever though.
anyways, raf in his prime, rick right now

[Anonymous No.6079121]

>>6079095
Lol what?
Old prices was much lower, i remember when i bought raf blazer from 99aw, i asked dude, for how much he bought it? And he answered 700$.
Raf was pretty low priced brand back in the days.
Ln-cc prices even higher than Dior homme old prices, which was actually very high for menswear brand back in the days.

[TroalPost !!M/8ntLE+we3 No.6079125]

>>6079037
most of the peeps here dont have hands on experience with fabrics or creating/making or hnandling cloths ,we're just a bunch of online shoppers.Just like /g/ has people who are consumer level and actual coders/people with exp intricacies of computing and technology
tfw aunt is gonna start teaching me basisc of sewing

[ct No.6079129]

>>6079121
i dunno i've seen retail on things be pretty high for raf back in the day
he is much more expensive now tho

[Anonymous No.6079153]

Rick owens by far. He shows much more ability, creativity and originality. I'm not a big fan of rick, but almost all of what old raf did was get edgy and ambiguous poetry that cool teens with shattered souls would like and put it on the back of the most basic clothing possible. the silhouettes were like out of target. It took literally no skill. The words he put weren't even his own. Now all he does is pretend to know what Dior liked by remaking the same collection several times a year, and asking himself what his grandpa would wear then mixing it with a "cool" contemporary artist. He literally has almost no talent or originality and relies almost entirely on other people to be creative for him.

[Anonymous No.6079148]

>>6079084
thank you for this. I understand you don't like jeans but what do you think about Rick's jeans -- the Detroit', Berlin's, etc?

[None !/Rei/JcrFk!!GFmGDa6LMVI No.6079159]

>>6079129
bruh raf wasnt selling cotton hoodies and tanktops for $1300

[Anonymous No.6079162]

>>6079153
That being said, I did like raf for Jil Sander.

[ct No.6079171]

>>6079153
raf through 95-98 was essentially making the skinny pants and slim suits (which wasn't new but still) a thing for people like hedi to run with and people like rick to use now though

[Anonymous No.6079166]

>>6079129
Everyone have much higher prices than it was back
Also funny thing, that with higher prices, quality went down. Especially with all that Belgium designers, when they switched Belguim manufacturers to Italy and Portugal.

[twerk it No.6079165]

>>6079148
shockingly plain for such an otherwise adventerous designer. the thigh darts don't really shape them, and there's little else in terms of construction that moves me. granted, there's a lot of interesting finish work that has clearly informed the rest of the industry, and a lot of it is still exclusive to rick after all these years.

by comparison some of the jackets and vests are just brilliant.

>>6079153
the first couture show was abyssal, but spring was brillaint.

[Anonymous No.6079173]

>>6079159
damn back in 99-00??

[ct No.6079177]

>>6079171
also rick totally did a top like this for ss13 i saw it in a store the other day

[Anonymous No.6079181]

one of my fav raf pieces. I should iron this

[None !/Rei/JcrFk!!GFmGDa6LMVI No.6079178]

>>6079173
im saying he was NOT selln at those price when the pieces were released, but theyre listed for that now

ppl will cop though

[Anonymous No.6079188]

>>6079177

The psycho knit. There's usually one or two seasonal specialty knits and cobwebby meshes aren't the newest thing in the world.

[Anonymous No.6079194]

>>6079171
>implying the punk movement didn't predate raf
>implying slim suits were anything new

[Anonymous No.6079195]

>>6079181
Daamn I like that

What collection is it from?

[ct No.6079196]

>>6079166
Yeah it's a shame
Also Raf stopped dating the collections on the tag for some reason, dunno why but it makes me kind of sad. Seeing RAF SIMONS AUTUMN-WINTER 2002 on the tags is neat, it gives it a kind of sentimental value as opposed to RAF SIMONS.

[twerk it No.6079192]

>>6079177
ann demeulemeester did that before raf, and i think it was cdg who did it before both of them, although i think i saw it from westwood first of all, and at any rate they all just stole it from what happens to sweaters that aren't cared for very well.

[ct No.6079199]

>>6079192
Rei did it in the 80s I believe

>>6079194
I literally said that the slim suit wasn't anything new

[Anonymous No.6079202]

I USUALLY WEAR BOTH

[Anonymous No.6079207]

>>6079199
that you did. what i meant to say was
>implying raf was the one to make it common or laid the ground works for other designers

[Anonymous No.6079213]

>>6079171
Its just destroyed sweater, i think bunch of designers made their variations of it.
>>6079171
I think first season when Raf show skinny fit was ss 98

[Anonymous No.6079212]

>>6079199

vivienne was doing destroyed mohair jumpers in the early/mid 70s.

a lot of early cdg is based on vivienne westwood stuff.

[twerk it No.6079218]

>>6079199
i think you're giving too much credit to raf, or faulting the wrong designers for cloning his work. raf is not in rick's vocabulary; rick's vocabulary is thrash metal and queer culture and 20s - 60s couture and hollywood glamor as it would be if you found it moth-eaten and buried, and skiiers.

[Anonymous No.6079219]

Fall winter 2010

[Anonymous No.6079227]

>>6079178
SRS? link pls
>inb4lncc

[Anonymous No.6079229]

>>6079032
How was that offensive, psycho bitch? Right now it sounds like if you hurt yourself you'd be doing your bf a favor.

[Anonymous No.6079237]

>>6079219
oops meant for
>>6079195

[ct No.6079233]

>>6079213
I'm pretty sure he did it for spring 1996 too
good luck finding photos of that tho

[ct No.6079240]

>>6079218
no i just saw it in the store and it made me think of that raf top because i've seen it a lot so i wanted to say something ok

[Anonymous No.6079243]

somoene show me raf doing skinny in the 90's

[ct No.6079250]

>>6079243

[Anonymous No.6079272]

>>6079243
As i said above, i think his first skinny was showing here http://vimeo.com/53191631
but only trousers, suit was still kinda big

[Anonymous No.6079299]

>>6079165
the dye jobs seemed interesting. visiting LA soon any shops/jeans you can recommend off hand that Ishould ccheckout?

[Anonymous No.6079306]

>>6079272
Oh i found it, dude with white jeans on 4:43
Also giving raf credit for showing skinny first on runway, i still think Hedi was much influential in all that skinny hype, and he cut it much better

[twerk it No.6079309]

>>6079299
self edge maybe but kiya is a bit of a douche still a cool store tho
american rag cie down the street
maxfield for rick
sartorialoft if u aint pleb

[ct No.6079319]

>>6079306
hedi was much more influential simply because raf wasn't particularity known in the 90s
then he won some award and ss02 got him media attention and then he became ~famous~

[Anonymous No.6079341]

>>6079319
I do not think he was known before he became theJil designer.
Also there is interesting conversation between Hedi and Raf, before they both went to the Epic era

[Anonymous No.6079362]

>>6079341

He was one of those fashion designer's designer (like Veronique or Lemaire or Ames), but he was really only catering to a clientele of people in-the-know. Jil brought with it a larger audience, larger factories, and also womenswear, so naturally it raised his profile.

[Anonymous No.6079363]

>>6079309
how about h by lorenzo?
i heard maxfield is full of douches, that tru?

[twerk it No.6079371]

>>6079363
yeah go to lorenzo bruh
maxfield will vary man

[Anonymous No.6079446]

>>6079371
jw how are you able to afford these places being 19?
also why don't you post more fits ;_;

[twerk it No.6079487]

>>6079446
i can't, i'm not 19, i'm lazy

[Anonymous No.6079524]

Raf. He just has a lot more I'm not too much of a pussy to wear than Rick, although I like Rick's stuff as well.

[Anonymous No.6079566]

When will the dressing like monochrome anime characters fad end?

[Anonymous No.6079576]

>>6079566

When did it start?

[twerk it No.6079574]

>>6079566
i hope it never ends
i still gotta get my 100% rick owens append cosplay together D:

[Anonymous No.6079584]

>>6079576
>RAF SIMMONS RICK OWENS USUALLY WHAT IM DRESSED IN!!!

[Anonymous No.6079627]

>>6079487
how old are you ?

[Anonymous No.6079634]

>>6079566
monochrome is superior to everything else

[Anonymous No.6079638]

>>6079566
>raf
>anime characters

wut

[twerk it No.6079651]

>>6079627
>asking a lady her age

[Anonymous No.6079659]

>>6078974
Rick. RAF washed up over a decade ago.

[Anonymous No.6079677]

>>6079659

I'd say that Raf is on surer footing now that that whole Futurenet debacle has been sorted out.

[Anonymous No.6079676]

>>6079634
w2c monochrome basics?
I'm talking 30-50$ range max.
just tops. I have like zero tops to go with my grails.

[Anonymous No.6079688]

>>6079676

H&M, Zara, ASOS, Topman. If you have a teenager budget, isn't it logical that your only option is stores catering to teenagers?

[Anonymous No.6079686]

>>6079676
Hanes Extra Goof

[Anonymous No.6079696]

>>6079686
something with a better cut

[Anonymous No.6079705]

>>6079688
my budget isn't a problem at all. I don't have problem dropping 5k on a nice jacket but for shirts, tank, etc.. I won't splurge on those pieces.

[Anonymous No.6079742]

>>6079705
I've heard some good things about Fabrixqare

[Anonymous No.6079738]

>>6079696
Tailor them

[Anonymous No.6079747]

>>6079738
not what i meant.

[Anonymous No.6079750]

>>6079742
too risky.

[Anonymous No.6079750,1]

lol

[Anonymous No.6079750,2]

neither if you didn't grow up in the culture where the styles are from