/hfg/ - High Fashion General

[Anonymous No.15808006]

Let's get more discussions on high fashion, runways, and designers going on /fa/

[Anonymous No.15808011]

>>15808006
anon i respect the hustle, but i think when a general falls off page 10 with <150 replies, that's a sign that there isn't enough interest for a new thread atm

[Anonymous No.15809334]

pity bump

[Anonymous No.15809343]

Link to Previous Thread
>>15784996

[Anonymous No.15809345]

>>15808011
Use the catalog bro

[Anonymous No.15809432]

what are some good runway shows to watch recordings of?

[Anonymous No.15809437]

How do I learn more about this?

[Anonymous No.15809465]

>>15808006
cool throw blanket by Mutsu kinda epic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUB2YvGtQxw&ab_channel=MUTSUBYPROSPECTIVEFLOW

[Anonymous No.15809736]

>>15808006
What is your favorite era of Dior?

[Anonymous No.15809834]

What does everyone think about Gabriela Hearst being appointed to Chloé and can actual french people tell me if this video of the atelier is them celebrating Natacha Ramsay-Levi leaving because they hated her or if they're celebrating because they loved her?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CIgODcnn4zH/?igshid=7c64bka4xue0

[Anonymous No.15809858]

>>15809465
that blankey has holes in it, brah
would not sleep under/10

[Anonymous No.15809902]

>>15809437
honestly just check out as many runway photos/videos as you can and form your own opinions on what is aesthetically pleasing
vogue is a good resource for runway shots, just don't read the articles

[Anonymous No.15811045]

>>15809437
Check out some documentaries. Get used to navigating "Vogue Runway," it's a site and app. Look at multiple shows with varying styles, visions, et cetera on Vogue Runway. Check out the "details" tab, if it's available. Some shows don't have that. Some shows, mainly older ones, won't be available on Vogue Runway, so for that, you'll have to dig around. Keep in mind that houses swap designers regularly. You'll have to use your brain and figure out who's who when it comes to houses.

Form your own opinions. Don't go on Youtube, Instagram, or Twitter and let some idiot spoonfeed you. Don't fall for Instagram retards spoonfeeding you their opinions and taste in the form of memes, either. Don't bother with Instagram or Twitter "mood pages," "archives," either. Majority of them are useless, uninformative trash. Finally, don't be afraid to ask questions, or let spergs wave their dick around in your face when it comes to their "extensive knowledge."

[Anonymous No.15811741]

>>15811045
Thanks. Got any documentary suggestions? Also, are forums any good?

[Anonymous No.15811803]

>>15808006

Am I gay for wanting to grow the hair that she has ? ;/

[Anonymous No.15812284]

>>15808006
>>15808011
Keep it up regardless, I miss the old days when there was fashion discussion, I rather some than none.

Also anyone got links to good channels for fashion/making shit? Need to give myself some projects, my sewing machine is catching dust.

[Anonymous No.15812317]

how to get into high fashion. I like the pictures but i dont know enough to carry a convo.

[Anonymous No.15812319]

>>15812317
my bad i didn't see >>15811045
consider it a bump

[Anonymous No.15812343]

>>15812284

[Anonymous No.15812358]

>>15812343

>>15812319
Not the anon who you quoted but WGSN is also a good source which I recently am able to use and LSN too but I think it's only accessible to students/industry people.

Honestly there was a spot for people who frequent these threads to discuss/exchange fashion 2bh

[Anonymous No.15813064]

bump

[Anonymous No.15813643]

>>15811741
>Documentaries
The Margiela documentaries. (In His Own Words, We Margiela, The Artist Is Absent, et cetera.)
McQueen, 2018 and McQueen and I.
Antifashion 90's.
Yohji Yamamoto - Dressmaker
The True Cost
Karl Lagerfeld Confidential
The Next Black
Notebook on Cities and Clothes
Dior and I
L'Amour Fou
Dries
Westwood: Punk, Icon, Activist
Check out all that Tim Blanks has done, too.

Some are on Youtube, others not. You'll have to dig around for some of them but it will be worth it. I may have the Margiela documentaries that are not on Youtube on hand, if so, I will post a downloadable link to those in this thread. Check out John Galliano's latest discussions, too. He has been at Margiela for some time now and has been quite vocal about his practices, methods, et cetera. A must listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5t41SySiP4

You'll have to get used to reading, too. Read, read, read. You're better off combing through articles, interviews, and more outside of a video format. Hedi Slimane, for example, avoids the camera like the plague and scarcely does interviews, but when he does, it's a goldmine of information. That's if you're a Hedi Slimane fan, of course. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnjjEaJBF88))

>Forums
Not anymore. Even now, this place has long dried up. You're on your own. Don't bother with Discord or Instagram group chats, those veer way, way off-topic and become too personal, too circlejerk-ish for the worst. That is unless you happen to luck out but don't count on it.

[Anonymous No.15813661]

>>15813643
Replying to myself.

I could open a Discord group chat for fashion discussion and information exchange. There, I can upload documentaries that are not on Youtube or are behind a paywall. Let me know if you would like that.

That being said, I am hesitant because I don't want it to become like the rest of them, with people bringing their personal drama and issues into it, so on. Keep that shit elsewhere, no one gives a fuck.

[Anonymous No.15814838]

>>15813661
Honestly, it wouldn't be a bad idea, desu just ban people/make it a rule to not bring drama/personal stuff to it.

Sucks how /fa/ got me into fashion and back then circa late 2016 it was still good for discussion, now its just bullshit meme threads, trolls, and garbage that lazy jannies (who work for free btw) won't clear.

[Anonymous No.15816321]

>>15813643
Amazing and based post. Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.15816323]

>>15813661
Yeah just ban discord drama troll faggots.
>>15812358
I heard WSGN is good

[Anonymous No.15817312]

>>15813661
I'd be up for that desu. Post the link when you're ready

[Anonymous No.15818347]

>>15813643
Thanks a lot

[Anonymous No.15818363]

>>15809736
AW03, SS04

[Anonymous No.15819395]

>>15814838
>>15816321
>>15816323
>>15817312
Sure, I'll drop a link in a few. Let me put it together.

[Anonymous No.15819588]

>>15813661
>I could open a Discord group chat for fashion discussion and information exchange. There, I can upload documentaries that are not on Youtube or are behind a paywall. Let me know if you would like that.

making a groupchat is fine but imo putting resources only on discord is not ideal, and is a step toward the common pattern of fragmentation we can see with many online communities. i think something like a wiki or some sort of public archive that is always accessible to people with no account or who weren't in this exact thread on the right week to see the invite... also, being a chat and messaging app primarily, discord isn't very well formatted for sharing, organizing, and finding content

[Anonymous No.15819877]

>>15813661
https://discord.gg/TQ4DpAyp
you can have this one

[Anonymous No.15819882]

>>15819588
>wants the democratization of information

[Anonymous No.15819884]

>>15813643
>>15813661
add me on discord, i have a server you can use, its dead but all set up for highfashion discussion
im willing to give it to you because i cant be bothered to run a server like this
Add my shit HZ#0843

[Anonymous No.15819888]

>>15813643
>>15813661
i have a server you can use, its dead but all set up for highfashion discussion
im willing to give it away to you since i dont have time to run such a server myself
add my shit HZ#0843

[Anonymous No.15821108]

>>15819588
Good idea
>>15819888
Good idea

[Anonymous No.15821280]

>>15819588
this

[Anonymous No.15821965]

>>15809432
Aye

[Anonymous No.15822289]

>>15809432

Helmut Lang AW03
Rick Owens AW09
Undercover SS03
Dior AW03
Carol Christian Poell SS04
Ann Demeulemeester AW02
Raf Simons SS02
Number (N)ine AW09

there are so many good ones but these few a pretty iconic

[Anonymous No.15822570]

>>15819588
ok

[Anonymous No.15822622]

>>15819588
Don’t care.

Tired of “is xxx decay” threads and these autistic loser name/tripfags and bullshit. I just wanna talk fashion

[Anonymous No.15822653]

>>15808006

>>15820346

[Anonymous No.15822667]

fashion on a high level is esoteric compared to other pursuits like lifting/making music etc where there is a clear trajectory to getting "better" you follow a training regime, you practice your scales/intrument whatever. there is no equivalent for fashion, its more of you suck until you don't kind of deal, you consume so much fashion and are exposed to so much you just sort of intrisintcly understand whats good in fashion. this has a very obvious downside where you get kids copying what generally is accepted as "good" or wearing highly regarded brands dries,rick,ann d,vetements,whoever the fuck else is popular in internet fashion at the time but with no actual understanding on what makes them good or relevant. this is why you see archive accounts and retards in discord reposting the same collections over and over and over again (swear to god if someone posts margiela at hermes one more time) this is also why you see the abominations in Instagram fashion of people who are dressed in hype shit from "good" brands but they style it like piss the memepage owners are a good example of this

meanwhile on a low level fashion is extremely superfical and lacks depth which makes it difficult for meaningful conversation beyond useless trivia and white noise art english monologues by retards who dont know what theyre talking about, like jesus christ no one cares that Robin williams wore an issey miyake bomber in 1996 that doesnt tell me anything about design or why it matters, why the deisgn works or is "good"

[Anonymous No.15822678]

>>15822667
based. this thread has been hijacked by retards who jerk off catalogues and seasons because they don’t have the knowledge nor vocabulary to directly address and talk about clothes

[Anonymous No.15823292]

>>15822667
>>15822678
I personally agree somewhat in the sense that people copy or latch on to what's accepted as "good" by the masses or by the "much archive" side of fashion, though for me I'd much rather discuss all types of fashion and brands, pretty tired of it just being a cycle of ann d, rick, lang etc.

I definitely feel there should be discussions on all round brands that are not only established but emerging, lesser appreciated, approaching with different visions than the mainstream etc.

Though it is difficult to get such discussion here.

[Anonymous No.15823444]

>>15822667
I dont think you can easily dismiss this downside as what it is, since it has been, is, and always will be a part of fashion.
What does Robin Williams wearing Issey Miakey in 1996 tell me? That celebreties wearing designer clothing as a form of promotion and hype-generation has been around longer than 90% of the kids on this board.
Getting into fashion beyond the surface level is fun, but just because you think you arent, you still will sound like the white noise art english monologue spouting useless trivia. There is no real depth besides the subjective one you yourself feel. I am begging you to correct me wrong.

[Anonymous No.15823466]

>meanwhile on a low level fashion is extremely superfical and lacks depth which makes it difficult for meaningful conversation beyond useless trivia and white noise art english monologues by retards who dont know what theyre talking about,

Perfectly sums up all the”High Fashion General” threads.

[Anonymous No.15823478]

>>15808006
OP keep making these threads as the /fa/ equivalent to /film/ on /tv/

[Anonymous No.15823510]

>>15823478
>yfw this is the only one I made so we have a place to talk high fashion
You can like both runway shit and normie shit. Ain't mutually exclusive

[Anonymous No.15823516]

>>15823478
it’s the same as someone posting non fast food/frozen dinner related threads on ck

[Anonymous No.15823525]

>>15823478
Defensive kek

[Anonymous No.15823805]

>>15823516
at least /ck/ has /patisserie/ now

[Anonymous No.15824312]

>>15823444
>Getting into fashion beyond the surface level is fun, but just because you think you arent, you still will sound like the white noise art english monologue spouting useless trivia. There is no real depth besides the subjective one you yourself feel. I am begging you to correct me wrong.

literally what the fuck does this incoherent shit mean


>>15822678
yeah it's funny how much vocabulary is a part of it

>>15823466
yes no one in these threads has meaningful conversations "

>>15823292
yeah uh you're talking about a specialized kind of knowledge/understanding/awareness of the ebb/flow of fashion, like having even heard of or owned certain brands requires that kind of awareness to a degree. i'm not saying just cause you like sulvam you'e some sort of fashion savant don't get me wrong theres plenty of retards who dress badly in cool brands but it is indicative of someone who maybe knows a little more, is operating a different level as the average user on /fa/

i've been here on and off 7 years, been in and out of dozens of fashion discords i've only met like 4 people from /fa/ who could even have an intelligent discussion on fashion unsurprisingly all of them worked in the industry

so uh i'm gonna say gl, probably not gonna happen here anytime soon, although while i say that theres about 4 or 5 solid posters in the waywt these days

[Anonymous No.15824370]

>>15808006
Posted this in a different thread but here’s one of the hardest helmut fits; this image inspired Matthew Williams whole career lol

[Anonymous No.15824388]

>>15808006

[Anonymous No.15825352]

>>15824312
>literally what the fuck does this incoherent shit mean

There is no depth to fashion

You can pretend like there is.

But you will sound like a pseud if you talk about depth.

This is what i think of it, do you agree or not?

Reddit Nigger.

[Anonymous No.15825374]

>>15824312
Who would you say are solid, because when I check WAYWT it's usually just the same drivel, admittedly I dress very (on trend) due to budget so I can't complain. but interested on what you consider "solid".

[Anonymous No.15825392]

>>15825352
>there is no depth to fashion
anon you're retarded. I don't think anyone in the WDYWT were around when there was threads deticated to designers lol.

[Anonymous No.15825401]

>>15825392
i say noone (except you i guess) is still here from those times, i sure am not
But please tell what you consider deep in terms of fashion, because i dont get it

[Anonymous No.15825693]

talking seasons and catalogues and documentaries is high fashion falutency

[Anonymous No.15825932]

>>15825352
>>15825401

why couldn't you have just said that LOL

i don't necessarily disagree that fashion on both a high/low level is superficial when compared to other fields (art notably) but high/low fashion are superficial to varying degrees which was my point.

Regardless there is always a good conversation to be had about design which can be fulfilling and insightful and have depth i disagree with you that it's so black and white.

also expand on your point about subjectivity, usually people who bring that term have no idea what the fuck they're going on about but, i want to give you benefit of the doubt

>>15825392
i was :^) i remember sabotaging the japanese fashion generals as well hehe

>>15825374
gookanon
ryan that kid from reddit dresses pretty good for a normie even if he is hella insecure and responds to all criticism......
the dude who dress like a goth snufkin
that dude with blue hair
me :)

in any case the last time we had multiple posters who seemed to have a genuine interest in fashion was around christmas/new years 2016, i'm still in contact with many of those anons too which is kinda funny to think about

>>15825693
AGREE, so fucking sick of Internet Fashion, it's like a demented caricature of what people think the fashion industry is like. all these kids who got a couple thousand ig followers who turn around and act like passive aggressive fags because they think thats how you act if you're into fashion. meanwhile everyone i've ever met in fashion are like really sincere genuine people complete opposite of what you get online

[Anonymous No.15825938]

[Anonymous No.15826020]

Who the best creative director nowadays?

Who the best model?

[Anonymous No.15826024]

>>15826020
>Who is the best...
Narrow questions are shitty questions

[Anonymous No.15826029]

>>15826024
Fuck u, just say who the best and what is the matthew williams.

[Anonymous No.15826687]

fashion is very vast and there are lots of different types of clothes and brands at different levels

the problem with internet "high fashion" is that people think "fasihon" is just raf simons rick owens helmut lang yohji yamamoto comme des garcons le epic babbys 1st muh DESIGNER FASHION

they literally do not venture beyond the same ~10 designers when there are literally hundreds of other interesting brands out there that aren't just le instagram internet fashion designer

its like going to /mu/ and starting a "top 10 pop artists" thread as if you only knew about nursery rhymes or something before and discovered your first rap artist and now u think travis scott and kanye west are the end game of music

[Anonymous No.15826782]

>>15826687
this is a very /mu/ oriented point of view
doesn't transfer to fashion very well

[Anonymous No.15826791]

>>15826782
i dont browse mu
and yes it does

[Anonymous No.15826821]

>>15826791
>"I was wearing [obscure designer] back when they were working out of their mother's basement!"
lmao

[Anonymous No.15826914]

>>15826791
>yes it does

ok big man you've made the claim now prove it

[Anonymous No.15826920]

>>15826914
there snothing to prove im saying that internet fashion is just babbys 1st designer and talking trivial fun facts about collections and i like this look! this season from this designer is cool

is basically babbys 1st alt music meme or whatever and jerking off over meme entry level albums

what about this comparison is so hard to understand

[Anonymous No.15826923]

>>15826920
oh so your point was the same one that was expressed by like 25 other people in this thread

nice one man good work :)

[Anonymous No.15826934]

>>15826923
ty

[Anonymous No.15826936]

>>15826934
np got any more fascinating insights?

[Anonymous No.15826940]

>>15826936
i do actually about alot of things and work in the industry so lemme know if u got any questions

[Anonymous No.15826965]

>>15826940
wow u work in the industry!? hows h&m treating u?

[Anonymous No.15826970]

>>15826965
why r u upset lol
its ok dude im not trying to argue just chill and if have any questions u can ask

[Anonymous No.15826972]

>>15826970
>LOL R U MAD

highschool level response from u t b h

[Anonymous No.15826980]

>>15826970
prove u work in the indsutry and you're not just some larping faggot

[Anonymous No.15826992]

>>15826980
id rather keep my identity private but if u have anything u wanna know id be glad to answer

[Anonymous No.15826999]

>>15826992
yeah what do u and where do u work

do you create or are u some faggot who works the buisness side of the industry

[Anonymous No.15827039]

>>15826999
My dad is rick owens

[Anonymous No.15827043]

where do people find high fashion industry news and shit?

someone in another thread was talking about who should take over as creative director for Lanvin and listing a bunch of names and what's going on with different brands. how do you know that kind of stuff without working in the industry?

and websites, magazines, podcasts, or whatever I should check out?

[Anonymous No.15827047]

>>15826999
ive worked as an assistant buyer for a shop in the states, prior to that when i was younger i started just as sales staff for the same shop
making buying trips to new york and paris over a number of seasons eventually opened up doors to production (manufacturing) which was something i was consciously trying to learn more about, so i worked as an assistant production manager( basically a liason between brands and factories) for a while as well
i do have ambitions to create down the line but am still building technical skills and overall awareness of the industry as a whole (including business but i already know how business basically works just need to actually develop 1st hand experience) so no
i have "created" for others in that when you are working as a production manager for a brand who lacks the technical knowledge of what can be done and what works/doesnt youre basically constantly negociating between both parties to end up with the desired outcome at the right price and manufacturability to the intended scale and within that process you basically have some room to impact the design (no u cant add x feature itll jack up the sampling cost>wholesale>retail, x has to be finished in y construction, weight of y fabric doesnt work with z, etc.)
rambled for a bit but if u wanna know anything specific (not >prove ur asl and job details) feel free

[Anonymous No.15827055]

>>15827043
to answer your question just all the standard industry publications like bof
i actually dont really read industry news because its very business and finance oriented and covers boring unexciting stuff like luxury retail and every 2nd article is about china

also whoever that guy was talking about creative directors and naming brands, etc... none of that stuff actually really matters and is just trivial information that really doesnt help you in any practical way so dont think you need to know all this boring shit like which next boring vanilla creative director is gonna take over at the next boring luxury brand that exists to make as much money as possible
i mean i guess if u have absolutely 0 knowledge ya u can read but i think without any real context as to whats happening i think alot of that stuff is just empty information and in this age i think we probably need less info or filter it better
magazines are dead and kind of suck and cost money so if u are starting out prob wouldnt reccomend
fashion podcasts are all pretty shit too

[Anonymous No.15827061]

>>15827047
>worked
>past tense

so you're an unemployed kid whose had a couple entry level positions in the industry. There is nothing you can tell me that i don't already know

>>15827055
BoF is fucking tragic but yeah its the best u got

>magazines are dead
yeah but theres at least a couple japanese ones that still have interesting editorial content

>>15827043
BoF, WGSN , also if you're not in the industry why would u care

[Anonymous No.15827076]

>>15827061
u could probably always learn more if u put your internet pride aside
the editorial image is also dead i personally would reccommend publications like many of us or purple (formerly) but also these are niche and require context and awareness to make practical use of

yeah idk what i would reccommend these days honestly for someone trying to learn, theres is just way too much of everything out there now that it really has messed the game up

[Anonymous No.15827079]

>>15827076
>internet pride

i'm not the one bragging about having entry level fashion jobs

might as well tell everyone how much u know about stocking shelves and being a cashier

[Anonymous No.15827080]

>>15827061
wgsn is probably cool if ur a 1st year fashion student but i wouldnt reccommend it to anyone its the most soulless boring insectoid like analysis of vapid cultural trends maybe the technical flats are a good resource to model off of but also i geuss if ur new it can be informative to just read about whats going on and why

[Anonymous No.15827081]

>>15827080
yeah the anon is very obviously a complete noob since hes asking that question both bof and wgsn kind of suck but theres worse starting points

[Anonymous No.15827082]

>>15827079
to each his own man god bless

[Anonymous No.15827083]

>>15827082
sorry you couldn't impress anyone with your "industry experience" lmao

[Anonymous No.15827084]

>>15827083
being so scrappy about literally nothing probably isnt healthy

[Anonymous No.15827097]

>>15827084
posting on 4chan probably isn't health yet here u are

[Anonymous No.15827103]

>>15827097
lollll nice lmao

[Anonymous No.15827111]

>>15827103
faggot lmao

[Anonymous No.15827150]

>>15827111
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[Anonymous No.15827163]

>>15827150

[Anonymous No.15827728]

>>15809432
My favorite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO82F10FC3k

[Anonymous No.15827887]

>>15825932
fuck off mongrel cuck

[Anonymous No.15828040]

>>15827887
t.projection

[Anonymous No.15828076]

Where else online is good to talk about this stuff because /fa/ is not it

[Anonymous No.15828093]

>>15828076
>online
kek not a chance
get some real connections with people outside of the internet

[Anonymous No.15828105]

>>15828076
hf twitter is ok

[Anonymous No.15828143]

>>15828105
any pages to check out?

[Anonymous No.15828482]

>>15828143
i dont really participate in it myself.. but i follow some accounts.

@balenciogre @bibbygregory @velverts @LATHEORIEDECOCO @CATWALKBLISS @lor_nyc @pughatory @canneo @gagaflawlxss @MaxKilworth @houseofhazel

i think most of the discussion happens in group chats but im not cool enough to be in them :/ also its blowing up right now because the alexander wang sexual assault stuff hit the fan again (AND pierre cardin died rip)

[Anonymous No.15828488]

>>15812317
Well when I look at this photo I can see the cut, silhouette, materials, colour and motifs; additionally you can think about the references, the history of the designer and how the outfit fits into the show, how it relates to other designers works, etc... tell me what u think anon

[Anonymous No.15828979]

>>15828482
all of those accounts are retarded and shit

@wretched_worm unironically posts better fashion content than them and he's not even a fashion poster

[Anonymous No.15829584]

>>15828093
I don't like people in real life though