Ccp

[Anonymous No.14394810]

Is ccp a meme now? Will archive beasts move to ccp and ruin it?

[Anonymous No.14395186]

>>14394810
For all its posturing as "the final stage of men's fashion", it is ironic how much CCP and the like have become just another hypebeast trend.

[Anonymous No.14395829]

>>14394810
it's already overrated

[Anonymous No.14396107]

CCP for a long time priced out consumerist hypebeast, but with the second hand market people can just buy second-hand and resell. CCP leather products and suits are amazing regardless.

[Anonymous No.14396111]

>>14394810
No, most people have never heard of CCP even on the internet.
>will archive beasts move to ccp and ruin it?
Haha, no. CCP is too “out there” for most people and the prices will keep hypebeasts far away. They want people to recognize that they dropped a couple grand on shoes. Realistically virtually no one would recognize CCP clothing in person. Maybe someone would recognize drips if you were in a high end boutique in NYC.

[Anonymous No.14396124]

>>14396111
jpg is too out there for most people and look how that turned out.

[Anonymous No.14396143]

>>14395829
CCP is one of the only brands that couldn't possibly be overrated

[Anonymous No.14396152]

>>14396143
i had a teenager try telling me how great of a deal he got on a pair of pants from ccp. they were 600 on sale, made from cotton twill and would rip he moved too quickly in them.

ccp is the definition of a hack

[Anonymous No.14396155]

>>14396152
overpriced =/= overrated

[Anonymous No.14396161]

>>14396124
uuuuuuhhhhh ccp is really not comparable to jpg. One of them was head of Hermès, frequently dresses stars and has done couture for who knows how long. The other is some dude working in a tiny studio that showed his outfits by having them float down a river....

People call JPG a provocateur because he did funny things like cone bras and codpieces. People don’t even know who CCP is yet he was rubbing animal blood on clothes 14 years ago.

[Anonymous No.14396164]

>>14396155
you seem to have missed the part where the pants fall apart through normal wear.

>"avant garde" design =/= good design

[Anonymous No.14396169]

>>14396164
I doubt even Poell would say he wants to make traditionally good designs. If he did, he wouldn’t make $5k+ leather jackets that are literally painful to wear. The guy is making art pieces to be admired from afar as much as he is making clothes. I can’t comment too much on quality of random garments and don’t know if the experience of your friend was a fluke or not. Just pointing out that it’s silly to use more mainstream designer clothing as a reference point because they’re playing two very different games.

[Anonymous No.14396170]

>>14396164
Of course 10+ year old 20th hand used pants will far apart. Try to do some research and this won't happen

[Anonymous No.14396171]

>>14396161
the arguement wasnt that ccp was some obscure nerd living in a cave somewhere in italy with his nonna tied to a sewing machine so normies won't know about him.

its that ccp isnt the only designer with "out there" designs. if lil uzi vert started wearing ccp grailed would start shilling it like crazy all the archivist accounts would start shilling it like crazy and places like ktt and hypebeast would be jerking it off forever.

thats really all it takes these days for a brand to become a hype brand. remember issey sport? and issey miyake in general?

what about kapital? that band was astroturfed no less than a half dozen times by grailed employees prior to rappers wearing it. no one wanted it and saw it for the cheap shitty jap rags it was until a rapper wore it.

[Anonymous No.14396172]

Hold up, is that one of the guys from the legendary meetup?

[Anonymous No.14396174]

>>14394810
that he?

[Anonymous No.14396175]

>>14396170
they were brand new from a store on sale lmao nice try ccp apoligist
>>14396169
traditional design =/= good design

an unwearable pair of pants is bad design unless you actually want to try and say that was delibrate lmao

[Anonymous No.14396178]

>>14394810
ID on boots

[Anonymous No.14396180]

>>14396175
>has never owned or worn CCP
>thinks he is an expert on design because his friend bought a pair of pants from the designer
Are you really that arrogant?

[Anonymous No.14396186]

>>14396152
Believe it or not things like that are not so unusual. He frequently uses weird and novel techniques putting clothes together...one reason he charges such high prices. As a result QC has been a sore point for as long as I can remember. If you get in touch with someone at the brand they’ll fix whatever issue for free but still you could (and people have on SZ) argued that it shouldn’t happen in the first place at that price point. Calling him a hack is utterly ridiculous though.

[Anonymous No.14396190]

Most of CCP's stuff looks like midlife-crisis dad clothes at first glance so it's extremely difficult to pull off. Young twenty-somethings shouldn't go near it, especially since they're not his target demographic. It looks awkward.

[Anonymous No.14396194]

>>14396190
I don’t know if I have ever seen anyone wearing CCP who wasn’t in his mid 30s. Everything is too expensive and hard to find unless you live near one of the few stores that carry his clothes.

[Anonymous No.14396318]

>>14396180
>implying

lmao project harder

[Anonymous No.14396397]

>>14396194
teens and young people in ccp look like clowns in 99% of cases

[Anonymous No.14396406]

>>14396186
im in the latter camp if im paying thousands for my clothes having them fall apart is wholly unacceptable. no i don't think hes actually a hack but the deification of his clothes approaches the absurd. hes like an avant garde errolson hugh with his cult of personality(or i guess lack there of cause of his epic designer mysticism) and how his followers react so viscerally to any criticism.

the dude makes clothes and theyre not nearly as impressive as theyre made out to be.
simple as

[Anonymous No.14396453]

>>14396406
Well, think of it in a few manners:

-CCP makes clothing not really with the mindset of the wearer as a concern, i.e. bodies are just to showcase the garment; whatever the experience they have wearing them is secondary.
-CCP charges what he does because he can. He's wealthy enough that profit isn't a concern. His fashion pursuit is likely just an expensive passion project and he enjoys when people purchase his wares.

Followers of CCP react harshly because, I think, others don't comprehend his philosophy of fashion -- which is avant-garde to its core. Avant-garde is not meant for the masses and going in with the mindset of fashion experience one has had from "consumer" or "popular" fashion is the antithesis of his style.

Buyer beware.

[Anonymous No.14396496]

>>14396453
>he makes clothes without the wearer in mind

either youre not describing that very well or hes not a very good designer

[Anonymous No.14396500]

>>14396169
What leather jacket of his hurts to wear?

[Anonymous No.14396610]

>>14396194
>>14396190
they're just clothes

shui pulls it off pretty well as a younger guy

[Anonymous No.14396615]

>>14396496
It sounds like you're not all that familiar with his work.

Poell has designed, among many other anomalies, a 'frog' shaped suit, metal coated shoes that are hammered around the wearers feet to secure them, a reversible double layered suit lined in parachute fabric and connected at the hems. These items are artistic statement pieces rather than day to day clothing. I'd argue they're designed for the viewer more than the wearer.

[Anonymous No.14396617]

>>14396615

[Anonymous No.14396775]

>>14396174
Where's Dylan?

[Anonymous No.14396871]

>>14396500
Many of the horse jackets from around 2010 and before have been bitched about over the years for their laborious break in process. There’s a reason most mainstream designers don’t use it...thick and extremely stiff. Add on top Poell’s tendency to have brutally slim cuts with high armholes and there’s a really good chance you’ll be in pain anytime you wear it for several months

[Anonymous No.14396994]

>>14395186
>>14396171
I barely know about ccp but just from the way it's talked about and relative hype I see this
>>14396615
But only some of it needs to be wearable for it to go "mainstream" (those pieces at least). Also how is this different than any other designer with weird artistic designs. Surely all his designs aren't wayy out there

[Anonymous No.14397131]

>>14396610
Shui is an outlier in terms of young people who are capable of pulling off CCP. For every shui there's probably 75 other dweebs dressed like pic related

[Anonymous No.14397133]

>>14396610
>>14397131
Or worse yet

[Anonymous No.14397138]

>>14397133
Because CCP looks good on men who look like men. Men who look like they actually work to afford their clothes.

[Anonymous No.14397139]

>>14396453
>avant-garde
iow
>making clothes that purposely don't fit your well.

[Anonymous No.14397579]

>>14396615
so he doesnt make clothes with the wearer in mind meaning he doesnt consider the most important aspect of clothing. so he is like sruli recht making clothing objects rather than clothes.

does he consider himself an artist then?

lmao how do these fit into anyonese lifestyle nevermind the teenagers and young adults who jerk him off online.

[Anonymous No.14397896]

>>14397579
Why don’t you actually spend 5 minutes reading about him online instead of expecting to be spoon fed? CCP has been discussed to DEATH over the last ~8-9 years. If you actually want to learn go read the thousand pages of discussion on SZ.

[Anonymous No.14397915]

>>14395186
>"the final stage of men's fashion"
the entire fucking issue is people treat it like this
its just fucking clothes

[Anonymous No.14397919]

>>14396169
>The guy is making art pieces
no hes fucking not
he has said in interviews he isnt trying to make art but clothing

[Anonymous No.14398573]

>>14397919
I really don’t feel like going through archives for you, but he has made loads of items (including literal art pieces) that are functionally unwearable.

[Anonymous No.14398649]

>>14398573
I really dont feel like you have any idea what you are talking about

[Anonymous No.14398870]

Rick is often called the dark lord...but do we even know what Carol looks like?

[Anonymous No.14398943]

>>14398870
like margiela, you basically get the one grainy photo

>>14396994
I wrote a big long reply but I accidentally deleted it. The gist of it was that I agree with you that some (even most) of his designs are wearable. I think the argument is just that he comes up with the concepts before he figures out how to make the stuff wearable.

>>14397131
You're cherry picking, but I suppose that's sort of inevitable given what you have to work with. I assume that most of the people confidently pulling off Poell feel no need to post fit pics online for validation. That's why the few photos you do find are of hypebeasts and 'fashionistas'.

>>14397579
I think Poell considers the clothing aspect first and foremost. He reflects on an article of clothing and then takes it to an extreme. Shoes protect the feet, jackets protect the body. Poell imagines shoes as armor for the feet (>>14396615) and jackets as armor for the body (>>14396871). I'd say most of his work begins and ends with clothes but it diverges in between those two steps. I see him as a clothing designer who often creates art.

[Anonymous No.14399191]

>>14398649
>wants to make real clothes
>proceeds to make shoes that must be crushed with a hammer around your foot to be worn
So is he insane? By any metric other than artistic, it’s a fucking terrible idea.

[Anonymous No.14399296]

>>14399191
>So is he insane?
good question...even the snippet of an interview that guy cropped was a scan of an old interview from some obscure magazine from over a decade ago. he doesn’t do press and i can’t remember the last time i’ve read an interview from him. i have heard rumors he comes from a wealthy family, so he just makes weird clothes. not sure how i feel about him saying he doesn’t want to make art while he presents items that would look just as at home in a museum (and some are, like the famous pig bag) as on a person. if you read the rest of the interview, he comes off as quite the eccentric.

[Anonymous No.14400385]

>>14397896
>ccp thread
>no don't ask questions about ccp just jerk him off like the rest of us

oh ok....

[Anonymous No.14400873]

>>14400385
I mean the guy he responded to took a pretty ignorant tone to begin with. At least do some cursory reading before you start throwing ideas and questions around. Recommending a forum with a wealth of knowledge about the subject is a good move, despite the combative way in which he suggested it.