Anyone here ever dated a model? What was it like? What do you look like? pic related is Taylor Hill and her old high school bf. I think I'd kill myself if I were him right now.

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Anonymous Tue Apr 24 14:33:52 2018 No.13327853 [Reply] [Original]

Anyone here ever dated a model? What was it like? What do you look like?

pic related is Taylor Hill and her old high school bf. I think I'd kill myself if I were him right now.

Anonymous Tue Apr 24 16:24:48 2018 No.13327959

one acrobat, one dancer, one actress, three models (none of them did runway shows though). this was before entering years of neety inceldom.

>what was it like
great, in all kinds of ways. the actress (and occasionally model) was my oneitis for half a decade.

>What do you look like?
allegedly great, but a 4/10 in my eyes.
I've been scouted for modelling. but I've never believed in what other people think. the fact that someone has been attracted to me has been confusing.

>inb4 bullshit
try being allegedly good-looking, a social butterfly, and creative in artsy circles and you too can get laid with all kinds of girls. none of them were famous.

Anonymous Tue Apr 24 16:53:31 2018 No.13328019

>>13327853
dated an ig model who had 70k followrs and did work for shitty fashion lines nobody gave a fck about.
in real life. nobody would give a fuck besides some older guys winking at me for havign her.
the issue was online. where she would be on her phone 24/7 and 100s of guys dming begging to pay to fuck her.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 24 17:28:49 2018 No.13328096 >>13327959 >this was before entering years of neety inceldom. ask me why I don't believe you

Anonymous Tue Apr 24 17:46:49 2018 No.13328142

>>13328096
I don't need to. What you're implying is obvious. My past life makes my current mental issues (and resulting neetdom, isolation, et c) even worse by comparison. Your mistake is that you think that people cannot become depressed, drug-riddled, isolated, and paranoid even if they used to have a good life. I'm an incel because I'm an infinite fucking failure compared to what I used to be, and that fills me with nothing but shame. I cannot stomach seeing people. I can't do it. Currently just waiting for my parents to die of old age so that I can end it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 24 18:25:44 2018 No.13328273 >>13328142 how did you go from banging models to wanting to an hero, anon?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 24 18:28:59 2018 No.13328282 Can models who have dated talk or nah?

Anonymous Tue Apr 24 18:34:40 2018 No.13328289

>>13328273
probably a combination of depression that runs in the family, having impossible expectations on myself and becoming paralyzed and failing Uni several times over, wrecking parts of my brain with drugs, and sitting alone in a room for nearly a decade.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 24 18:47:13 2018 No.13328327 >>13328273 I actually knew a guy who killed himself a month ago and he was probably the most popular guy at university and his gf was a 10.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 24 19:26:27 2018 No.13328401 >>13328327 >people are multi-faceted and societal understandings of 'good' do not necessarily lead to true happiness wow! you channers sure have been learning since i last visited

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 24 19:33:46 2018 No.13328422 File: 203 KB, 600x600, 1524451258947.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13328327 >his gf was a 10 lel i thought you said his gf was 10

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 24 19:40:15 2018 No.13328436 my friend is dating a model and she's very emotionally charged and he's very aloof and just wants a hot model gf. their relationship is probably bad

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 24 19:40:19 2018 No.13328437 >>13327853 Nahh. Fucked people who then became models at some point after. Not like famous models, just some random modelling bullshit kinda models.

Anonymous Tue Apr 24 20:41:51 2018 No.13328584

>>13327853
Went on a single date with some insta model / fitness model bitch. Very rich and so I took her to an expensive seafood place. She was happy to eat the food I bought her. Things were fine until she was trying to be "witty" in the way thots try and do so often. I say "I know you are but what am I" because I was tired of the stupid back and forth. She without a hint of irony replies "WOW well you failed the test." For the rest of the night she was extremely frigid and then just ups and leaves.

Basically I was apparently unable to live up to the intellectual rigours of a bitch who posts her ass to 19k people daily. Oh well

Anonymous Tue Apr 24 20:58:47 2018 No.13328619

I’m eskimo bros w Prince Harry, linked by a model. She was fun in bed and had a decent head on her shoulders. In summary, she was just like everyone else except good looking. Dated another girl who modeled, she was pretty cool too. Bit of an airhead but hey we all have our limitations. What’s your question aiming at op? Whether or not you can date one? They’re people. Take care of yourself and be an interesting person, you have just a good a shot as anyone else in the world.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 24 21:01:30 2018 No.13328622 >>13328619 99% chance she lied to you big boss

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 24 21:46:49 2018 No.13328710 >>13328282 No but you could have a dinner in front of a mirror and tell us how it goes

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 24 21:55:27 2018 No.13328731 >>13328142 At what point did things start going wrong Anon? I’m interested in you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 01:48:18 2018 No.13329065 >>13327853 lmao both of them looks like fucking faggot

Anonymous Wed Apr 25 02:04:45 2018 No.13329092

>>13327853
i dated an (ex) actress who was blacklisted for refusing to be sponsored by some man

she was incredibly nice to me, but horrible to everyone else. when I say horrible I mean to the point she'd talk about killing people because their foot was in the way on a crowded train

Anonymous Wed Apr 25 02:05:55 2018 No.13329094
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>>13328142
This. I also used to have an exciting life with lots of beautiful (and often smart and talented) women. There was something happening every night, and I played in a band that was starting to take off. And then HEROIN.

I don't feel depressed like you though anon. I just have eternal cabin fever getting used to living a mellow drug-free life in the middle of nowhere. I just wish I realized that part of my life was special when I was in it.

I should add that I've fucked a lot of average/below average women too. I would have fucked more of both if I knew the good times were gonna end.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 02:14:26 2018 No.13329106 >>13329094 Hey anon the good times haven't ended. Sobriety can actually be a blast it's just about making the right friends, getting out of self, and doing small things every day to keep life interesting. Don't worry, you've got this bro!

Anonymous Wed Apr 25 02:39:40 2018 No.13329135

>>13329106
>>13329094

I started to go out in the nature, found a few sports that I liked and got really tired of the whole party and drug scene actually. Never thought it would happen. Mushrooms can be a good thing too, but only few times a year.

But I never did heroin which is completely other level to kick.

Pseudo Intellectual Wed Apr 25 03:35:52 2018 No.13329192

One ballet dancer, one part timer, but an easy 9+ nonetheless.

The problem with some of these people is that they never knew anything but the gentle glide of slipping through life on the merit of their looks alone. They start thinking they EARNED their genetic inheritance somehow and are deserving of better than most.

The truth is, they're insecure as fuck and never really developed like you or I did in terms of social growing pains. Especially this chick, she'd always been LOOOOONG money. Which was cool, she bought me a mad expensive coat on my birthday and took me to cafe bouloud or somesuch place....
But it was also corny as fuck because she was a tryhard. She felt inadequate and socially crippled deep down so she did all she knew - play the pretty card. Which I also enjoyed, as she could not dress herself for shit, had no creative eye and at 28 lived in an apartment with not a single book. No inner life.

The illest girls I've met went through a dorky phase and then blossomed into a combo of beauty and mindfulness. Thry understand both sides of the social equation. I hate to say it, but being down reminds us what it means to be up.

I'm tall and thin and I shave my bald head. I just know how to carry myself, honestly. I'm no great shakes but I can make a girl laugh, help her get a proper tax refund and change her tire in the rain.

Pseudo Intellectual Wed Apr 25 04:33:47 2018 No.13329243

>>13329094
Hey, since I got into break dance, top rock, gliding an whatnot, I have a valid, exciting reason to go out - the fun of owning the floor - and I have a reason not to drink - alcohol fucks up balance and makes shit like moonwalking impossible.

I have a fucking BLAST when I go out, I get numbers, I get a workout, and although I throw those numbers away because I'm incapable of the whole club thot thing, I feel great. Naturally high. I sleep well and wake happy.

I don't need booze to socialize anymore.

Anonymous Wed Apr 25 06:07:28 2018 No.13329334

>>13329243
Man, I used to have such a blast dancing in clubs. I wouldn't breakdance, but people would form a circle around me, hired dancers would come dance with me after their shift ended, girls would tell me they can't keep up... and then I don't know what the hell happened. Fucking anxiety. Now if I go in a club I'm like the loser who sits in a corner and drinks by himself. Fuck me, getting older sucks. AND I'M JUST 24. I'm thinking about buying a fucking mask or something, maybe that way I won't care if people look at me when I dance.

Pseudo Intellectual Wed Apr 25 06:10:14 2018 No.13329336

>>13329334
Just fight through it man! Practicing a lot in private helps. But that wall of anxiety is real, I understand you 100. The feeling of victory when you walk through it is like undoing everything you hated about high school in 5 seconds.

>>	Pseudo Intellectual Wed Apr 25 06:12:45 2018 No.13329339 >>13328584 You should have rhetorically dismembered her over lobster.

Anonymous Wed Apr 25 06:59:38 2018 No.13329382

>>13329336
I still dance in private. I dance everyday. Just put on my wireless headphones and dance through the house, in front of the mirror, whatever. Hell, I even dance when I call girls over or I'm with friends and we get high ( though you're right, I danced way better sober than drunk or high - I tried one of my usual moves when drunk and fell on someone lmao ). It's just clubs. They're now full with 18-19 year olds and I feel like I'm the old guy dancing.

>>	Pseudo Intellectual Wed Apr 25 08:09:27 2018 No.13329475 >>13329382 I know that feel, im the old guy who can dance. I've resorted to hitting up black clubs most weekends, to be honest. White clubs are full of coked out pussies who can't cut a rug. Good that you're still at it. Shit is healthy.

Anonymous Wed Apr 25 08:18:45 2018 No.13329492

>>13329243
i feel ya bro. also a dancer here, went to breakdance classes as a kid and have good rhythm. i literally only go out to dance and have fun - no booze here either. I busted some moves in this semi-legal weed dealers place here in Copenhagen called pusher street the other day on 4/20, got joints thrown at me. Good shit :D
current goal is getting this tall hot overweight depressed girl i'm seeing to start working out with me and sculpt here into the goddess i see under all the flab.

Pseudo Intellectual Wed Apr 25 08:30:36 2018 No.13329506

>>13329492
There are some women with amazing potential one runs across from time to time. The fact that she's tall means that there's probably a nicely proportioned dancer's body under the weight.

if she just shapes up a bit and practices basic footwork with you 3x a week you'd soon have a partner you could go destroy the club with. Bet that would fix her depression somewhat, too. No greater high than the admiration of a hundred randos in a decent club.

go for it man. #goals.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 08:39:10 2018 No.13329521 >>13327959 >allegedly great, but a 4/10 in my eyes. >I've been scouted for modelling. but I've never believed in what other people think. the fact that someone has been attracted to me has been confusing. Eye roll

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 08:40:54 2018 No.13329527 >>13327853 Dated a girl who then went on to date the lead singer of a pretty well known band. Kinda weird to hear so many songs written about her.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 08:57:52 2018 No.13329551 >>13328142 I get you anon. I used to pull 10s and my mental health went to shit and I barely care about myself anymore let alone care enough to pursue sex.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 09:58:11 2018 No.13329631 >>13329551 >used to pull 10s Show me one of your "10"s.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 10:07:08 2018 No.13329645 >>13327959 you have a problem

Anonymous Wed Apr 25 10:09:52 2018 No.13329653

i feel you bros.
used to play professional tennis and was hanging around 8's whose parents were millionaires. got injured and ended up addicted 2 painkillers then started messing with ketamine. JUSTed my career. slowly rebuilding. but my confidence is fucking shit.
have a bachelors in psychology. saving up to go back for grad school. but its fucking hell. ran into a buddy who i used to train at an academy. guy already finished law school and got engaged and im fucking applying for jobs at grocery stores.
went on a date with a 19 yr old from tinder and 20mins in I was already bored as fuck. it's true girls fall for the guys who barely put any effort into liking them.
went to a therapist and he said i have minor depression. but it feels more then that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 10:11:05 2018 No.13329657 >>13328019 >7 and 100s of guys dming begging to pay to fuck her. Did she block all of them?

Pseudo Intellectual Wed Apr 25 10:11:52 2018 No.13329660
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>>13329645
Nah, you got one. You got a problem shagging soulless tens while blacked out on stoli and mechanically pumping away as if enough thrusting would somehow imbue your existence with meaning.
Empty hedonism is a direct measure of manhood and success.

>>	Pseudo Intellectual Wed Apr 25 10:12:54 2018 No.13329664 >>13329657 nah them types feed on attention like spiritual vampires

Anonymous Wed Apr 25 10:29:26 2018 No.13329721

>>13329336
How do I get into dancing? Just practice in private? I always feel embarrassed when I try but I love watching other people dance and get hyped

>>13329334
Fuck you man, 24? How old were you when you were doing all that shit. Im 23 and I'm only just finding my way. We're still young. Right?

Anonymous Wed Apr 25 10:55:02 2018 No.13329765

>>13329721
>Fuck you man, 24? How old were you when you were doing all that shit. Im 23 and I'm only just finding my way. We're still young. Right?
I guess I was like 20-21 when I was at my peak. Fucking a new girl every night, sometimes one in the morning one at night, dancing like crazy, smoking like crazy ( once bought 37 grams for myself ). It all went downhill once I got my first STD and realised I'm not invincible. About being young, yeah, you are. I still have a ton of potential, insanely hot girls are now into me, I'm ten times richer than I was back then, I'm more experienced, but my life energy has left me once fucking herpes came into play. Always thinking if today I'm gonna get an outbreak ( cause I'm pretty prone to 'em ), it fucks with my mind, cause I'm thinking alright I'll go out there, be awesome, girls are gonna come over and wanna hook up and I'll be like "can't", and I won't even have the guts to tell 'em why.

>>	Sieg Wed Apr 25 11:03:48 2018 No.13329781 No, fucked a plus size model for awhile target/f21 etc etc Job didn't seem stable, fleeting, and seemed like a superficial career choice with very little financial stability.

>>	Sieg Wed Apr 25 11:04:51 2018 No.13329782 >>13329765 Bareback them anyways. Chances are they already have it

Anonymous Wed Apr 25 11:10:27 2018 No.13329796

>>13329765
just get a solid immune system thru supplements and real food, cut out sugar and processed junk - cook your own food.

t. oral herpes since age 6, used to have outbreaks 5+ times a year, now get a tiny little outbreak maybe once a year that goes away within 3-4 days. also think i got genital herpes now as well, made out with some girl while i had an outbreak and then she blew me. never had any sores leaking puss on dick but it was red and itchy for a while.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 17:07:09 2018 No.13329855 >>13327853 >implying I've ever dated anyone

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 17:10:29 2018 No.13329865 >>13329781 >plus size >model

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 17:12:29 2018 No.13329872 >>13328142 At least you had SOMETHING. I'm 25 and have never had sex

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 17:14:17 2018 No.13329874 >>13329872 get yourself a whore

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 17:17:44 2018 No.13329886 >>13329765 This seems so alien to me. Wow. t. virgin until 25, only had sex with 4 prostitutes so far. Congratulations anyway. Not to the herpes but everything else.

Anonymous Wed Apr 25 17:20:44 2018 No.13329895

>>13329192
>>13329192
>The illest girls I've met went through a dorky phase and then blossomed into a combo of beauty and mindfulness. Thry understand both sides of the social equation.
I think this is the only true way to being a fully rounded 10 out of 10. The only girl i ever loved was genetically gifted, CONSTANTLY having guys come up to her on the street and hit on her etc., but came from a very poor and rough background and had a pretty difficult past, her sisters getting pregnant at 16 and shit, and she was so responsible and well-adjusted about it all. I never knew alpha females existed until I met her.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 17:27:01 2018 No.13329918 >>13329765 >boo hoo I'm so rich and have hot sluts at my beck and call fuck u

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 17:28:13 2018 No.13329921 >>13329874 No. paying to lose your virginity is pathetic

Anonymous Wed Apr 25 17:35:46 2018 No.13329941

>>13329918
stay jelly senpai, atleast u don't have herpes and living a shitty stressful life where you're not truly happy causing your body's hormonal system to weaken your immune system which causes you to often get outbreaks of herpes making you sexually insecure.

lol waste of time and energy at being jealous of this guy my dude.

read kanye's latest tweets and start lovin

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 17:41:20 2018 No.13329959 >>13329921 It's also pathetic being a virgin with 25 years

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 17:43:53 2018 No.13329968 >>13328096 Well I believe this guy. There's nothing surprising about falling down the "power ladder" from time to time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 17:48:56 2018 No.13329987 >>13329959 I'm volcel. I'll lose it before 26

Anonymous Wed Apr 25 17:50:06 2018 No.13329989
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>>13327853
yeah, 4 or 5; they are just people like anyone else. its not something to aspire to, just a consequence of the circles i was in; i personally think im interesting looking, unusual, but not handsome; i have a ptosis and bulgy eyes generally but ive been scouted and done some modelling before but i didnt follow it through because i like being able to eat what i want, and also because Im a med student im far too busy. it was funny to see that that while i admired and envied the models that i dated and associated with for their beauty, they conversely admired and envied me for being intelligent and having prospects of steady, gainful employment and an actual career. it goes to show that if youre stuck in the mindset of not being happy with what you have been blessed with then you WONT be happy.
TL;DR they are normal people just like anyone else with their own fears and insecurities, probably more so than non-models, not some kind of paragon of platonic beauty that a lot of people on this board seem to hold them to.

Pic Related; the first model I dated, my 2nd girlfriend, together through the first year of uni, and as the filename indicates, i think the last girl i ever truly loved.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 18:08:20 2018 No.13330031 >>13329987 So you're waiting until you're married? Do you have a fiancée?

Anonymous Wed Apr 25 18:16:39 2018 No.13330050

>>13329941
this. you can have everything that I have, and still be disease free. so why be jealous of me? just fucking go git, whilst wearing a condom.

I’m talking with the girl of my dreams right now, and she’d fuck the shit out of me tonight, but I avoid her like the plague. it’s physical and psychological self inflicted torture. money ain’t shit, anon. enjoy your life.

Pseudo Intellectual Wed Apr 25 18:20:40 2018 No.13330062

>>13329895
Alpha females, the true alpha chicks - they are astounding people to be around for that reason - all of the looks and privilege but you're still educated, down to earth and can do shit like dance, sew, lead a debate in philosophy, have evolved beyond the chickenshit hypergamy games and just manage to be real as fuck and dope as all get out?

It's our only hope.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 19:09:34 2018 No.13330194 >>13330031 Fuck no, I don't ever want to get married. I've been offered sex but turned it down cos of depression but I'm seeing a therapist and getting better.

Anonymous Wed Apr 25 19:09:59 2018 No.13330196
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>>13327853
Yes she had huge tits and ass

>What was it like
It was awesome at first but after a while I started getting more and more jealous of fitter dudes hitting on her. In fact millionaires wanted to date her and take her to Dubai. Eventually she stopped answering my calls one day and I realized she was probably cheating. She was also bipolar and insecure.

>What do you look like
Average, really fun when I'm in the right mood and not depressed

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 04:56:59 2018 No.13331068 >>13330196 >Average, really fun when I'm in the right mood and not depressed you need to start posting pics

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 09:31:52 2018 No.13331338 >>13327853 Why? In that picture she looks insanely hot, now at age 22 much less so.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 11:20:30 2018 No.13331512 >>13328622 Nah it was in the press that they dated.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 11:51:41 2018 No.13331559 >>13327853 Yeah, would rather shoot myself than go through with that again She was extremely controlling and manipulative, a complete psycho I'm a 7 or 8 I guess

Pseudo Intellectual Thu Apr 26 12:01:22 2018 No.13331579

>>13329721
Practiced in private for years. It had been a dream of mine since childhood that I never told a soul about until I was ready to step up. I'm 38 and still get major rewards from it.

It's exercise, socialisation, competition, self improvement and better than drinking.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 13:10:15 2018 No.13331729 >>13331579 What age did you start

>>	Pseudo Intellectual Thu Apr 26 13:11:52 2018 No.13331732 >>13331729 26, but I was gliding and doing liquid at raves 8 years prior. I don't count that tho. ROUTINE makes a dancer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:04:48 2018 No.13332986 >>13328584 Well witty n energitic girls want guys like em

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:08:20 2018 No.13332992 >>13330194 Least ur gettin better. Jyst got one as well but lost it to a hooker after 27th bday....just kept kickin thT can figured screw it im damaged n who wants me anyways

>>	that nig with an E30 Thu Apr 26 23:11:18 2018 No.13333001 >>13329192 >I'm tall and thin and I shave my bald head. lol sup Poet, you still in park slope homie?

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:27:35 2018 No.13333025

My SO modeled for Wilhelmina when she was in high school, shortly before we met (this was 8 years ago). She kind of hated it. She was too small to be plus-sized, but too big to be a "normal model". Really influenced a lot of eating disorder and mental issues she spent years recovering from.

Anyway, we met 8 years ago when I was an absolute garbage person. Chubby, dressed like absolute shit; a bit more mature than my peers but that isn't saying much about a high school freshman. She always said the reason she found me so charming was because I was genuinely interested in getting to know her, and wanted to take her on a real date (all other guys were really just trying to get with her, which she didn't appreciate). We ended up becoming very close friends, and she inspired me to get my shit together. Started dressing nicer, got in really good shape, etc. After a few years of that we kind of just "evolved" into a relationship. We got engaged a few months ago.

Some people try to cause problems by saying things like "she only started liking you when you got ripped/started dressing better" and I say even if that was true I'd be ok with it. She's an incredible person, and was genuinely nice to me during a time when the only other people who were nice did it in a patronizing and pitying way. She deserves the very best, and I am glad that I get to be that for her.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:24:17 2018 No.13333120 File: 62 KB, 645x665, 1524790816597.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13331068 Pics of what? Myself? No thanks Mr.fbi

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:25:48 2018 No.13333124 I dated a model for 5 years she did all the 'before' pictures

>>	Pseudo Intellectual Fri Apr 27 00:26:50 2018 No.13333125 >>13333001 Yuh Down 4 whatevs, but no benzos plz

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:56:53 2018 No.13333192 >>13329192 >at 28 lived in an apartment with not a single book Enormous red flag pour moi

Pseudo Intellectual Fri Apr 27 01:04:50 2018 No.13333215

>>13333192
I was very troubled by it, but I was too focused on getting laid. She was boring as fuck after the sex was out the way, TBQH.

She understood fuck all about actual culture, and watched the Kardashians on her iphone religiously. She was the ugliest soul I have ever been close to. I was very literally disgusted by her aversion to the new, the different and the complex.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 09:23:53 2018 No.13333762 >>13328327 pics?

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:47:41 2018 No.13333882

Never dated a real model but I've dated 3 'wannabe' models. All genuinely good looking men who could easily model for Raf if they put in effort. Pretty much al of them were the same- refused to take their meds, too depressed to even apply for agencies, addicted to various drugs like coke/prescribed shit/etc. Eventually I cut it off with all of them at some point because they obviously didn't give a shit about their lives. I've sworn off self labeled 'creatives' now.

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