How do you continue look goth AND fa/ in 2017?

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Joy Provision Sun Sep 10 17:07:25 2017 No.12746930 [Reply] [Original]

How do you continue look goth AND fa/ in 2017?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 10 17:47:48 2017 No.12747039 File: 57 KB, 640x640, C3V9IEYW8AAnu_u.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 10 18:00:17 2017 No.12747075 >>12746930 80s trad, postrock or shift into subtle cyberpunk.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 10 18:06:22 2017 No.12747088 File: 350 KB, 829x955, pof .png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12747075 trad goth best goth

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 10 18:19:07 2017 No.12747136 >>12746930 Just dont over do it

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 10 18:32:44 2017 No.12747170 >>12747136 that kind of advice usually results in shitty half-assed attempts that involve streetwear and dumb millenial hairstyles

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 10 18:59:04 2017 No.12747233 >>12747170 How'd you go from goth to streetwear

R Y S S C A N D V S !KNDYYIIins Sun Sep 10 19:05:26 2017 No.12747250

>>12747088

GOTHNESS IS INTRINSICALLY ANTITRADITIONAL, SO, "TRADITIONAL GOTH" IS AN ABSURD PERVERSION OF THE GOTH SPIRIT.

BE HONEST, AND JUST STATE THAT YOU LIKE NINETEEN HUNDRED EIGHTIES GOTH THE MOST, RATHER THAN ATTEMPTING TO AGGRANDIZE, AND OBJECTIVIZE, YOUR PERSONAL PREFERENCES.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 10 19:10:20 2017 No.12747262 >>12747250 Goth has always been very trad and against the modern world (julius evola was a goth), nothing is more radically tradfag besides a latin mass

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 10 19:13:10 2017 No.12747269 File: 118 KB, 736x1104, 5a6eb66479f4006b49a36e13979827c6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12746930 This?

R Y S S C A N D V S !KNDYYIIins Sun Sep 10 19:20:19 2017 No.12747279

>>12747262
> traditional
>against the modern world

CHOOSE ONE.

RADICALISM, AND TRADITIONALISM, ARE MUTUALLY ANTITHETICAL.

>julius evola was a goth

NO, HE WAS NOT.

>radically traditional

THAT IS AN OXYMORON.

>latin [CATHOLIC] mass

THERE IS NOTHING RADICAL, OR ANTITRADITIONAL, REGARDING CATHOLICISM; ON THE CONTRARY, CATHOLICISM IS HYPERTRADITIONALISTIC.

YOU ARE IGNORANT AND CONFUSED.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 10 19:21:39 2017 No.12747281 File: 45 KB, 620x435, nike-decade-heavens-gate.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12747279 shut the fuck up

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 10 22:37:47 2017 No.12747725 >>12747170 Old ass faggot talking about millennial hairstyles

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 10 22:38:14 2017 No.12747727 File: 154 KB, 736x736, b523595bc52129433a1e5e66fb826bcc--mori-fashion-style-fashion.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12747281 Ignore them, let's do a goth thread.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 10 22:41:27 2017 No.12747736 File: 38 KB, 425x568, 9d1953ab0fff177bf48b34a309983cc0cdee2cc0206eec9ab41e1901c81a65e1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12747727

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 10 23:04:41 2017 No.12747800 File: 50 KB, 464x658, moriboy3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12747736

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 10 23:08:49 2017 No.12747810 File: 452 KB, 1006x664, timbs.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Wit dese on ur feet goth no goth don' matter we gon fuck it up in 2019 u know. timbs BABAY. nasty ass goth fuck scene in here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 10 23:33:58 2017 No.12747878 >>12747727 What is this shit, steampunkfags?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 10 23:51:41 2017 No.12747909 File: 58 KB, 498x750, 616b185577d4528c59e8ad08f2fa8d34--warrior-fashion-dark-wave.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12747800

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 10 23:55:33 2017 No.12747916 >>12747878 >Not knowing steampunk is brass gears Shit bait

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 00:03:15 2017 No.12747931 File: 216 KB, 628x1200, 44b7c901b451878549c0b47e2b96563d--dark-fashion-fashion-men.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Rick is pretty goth

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 00:04:27 2017 No.12747935 File: 52 KB, 640x640, CTNFzhw.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 00:05:36 2017 No.12747939 File: 29 KB, 534x800, 8e9cacff73182687adc2e23acf3ff96b--goth-ninja-post-apocalypse.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 00:37:48 2017 No.12747968 >>12747269 what kind of jacket is that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 01:06:44 2017 No.12748015 >>12747269 I kind of really want to cop this entire outfit

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 01:08:30 2017 No.12748018 >>12747968 Non the anon who posted it, but I think I found it with some image searching. https://www.grailed.com/listings/143239-bundeswehr-german-dyed-flecktarn-parka

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 01:57:20 2017 No.12748086 >>12747281 But he's right you know.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 02:34:56 2017 No.12748137 >>12747800 rasputin-core. i can dig it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:32:34 2017 No.12749033 File: 16 KB, 236x354, 4584be0ad5d73b6552c7c90d6e6dff3f--strega-fashion-lookbook.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Searching keyterm goth yields nothing but crap. Using darkwave and strega will bring better results.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:26:20 2017 No.12749407 File: 57 KB, 500x667, 2ded4ec7c06b26533f8f2efa3a4e5d92.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12746930 I miss deathrock but it's more for shows, it gets way too much friction just running errands

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:31:20 2017 No.12749417 File: 57 KB, 560x560, acc7d87dae2b355235ef89681bef7026--tony-stone-black-scarves.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12749033 Is nu goth still a thing?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:37:56 2017 No.12749425 >>12747250 >>12747279 goth =/= hipster, you idiot

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:38:59 2017 No.12749428 >>12749417 fortunately not

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:55:48 2017 No.12749453 >>12747250 what the fuck you fucking tryhard stop posting

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:01:56 2017 No.12749467 >>12747250 >>12747279 i would very gladly curbstomp your jaw if i ever saw you in public

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:48:23 2017 No.12749577 >>12747281 Nice shoes w2c?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:47:43 2017 No.12749669 >>12747916 Steampunk is goths who discovered brown.

>>	R Y S S C A N D V S !KNDYYIIins Mon Sep 11 22:24:15 2017 No.12749971 >>12749425 >goth =/= hipster AND?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:27:14 2017 No.12749982 Did goth die when fat people started trying to be goth?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:30:28 2017 No.12749989 >>12749982 Most things die with fat people

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:04:31 2017 No.12750051 >>12749982 It died when the vampire larp thing kicked in in the 90s, then cybergoth stomped on its grave.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:09:53 2017 No.12750060 File: 327 KB, 450x959, 96132450e7d3f89be72b09f9e11459ebc7cf26906b9214701f0e38908d3f4c3e.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12750051 Yeah, plus the grave got robbed over and over with pastel goth, health goth, street goth, haute goth, etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:11:12 2017 No.12750160 >>12749417 what is nu goth? heard the term before but never knew what it meant

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:25:36 2017 No.12750184

>>12750160
It's basically hipsters in black. The girl outfits aren't too bad except for gratuitous screen print crosses, but the guy outfits are like taking 2 moderately effeminate styles and multiplying the queerness into as gay as you can look without pink hot pants.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:26:44 2017 No.12750187 File: 273 KB, 640x603, 4a4bb29b50334ece229424a8ad27fc6d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12750160 >>12750184 Sorry forgot pic

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:28:22 2017 No.12750194 >>12749669 It's really just a convention larp honestly. When did you last bump into steampunks at gas station?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:52:00 2017 No.12750235 File: 415 KB, 635x640, 0182.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 01:03:42 2017 No.12750252 >>12750235 Why are goth chicks so sexy, but every goth guy looks like a shitty costume?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 01:06:07 2017 No.12750255 >>12750252 Because goth chicks look "exotic" while goth guys don't

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:27:17 2017 No.12750350 File: 62 KB, 537x747, 2a2393d9-2be2-477f-be13-d415c93babd3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] By being trad goth.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:28:35 2017 No.12750351 File: 388 KB, 705x998, 56cbd6ca-8f17-4e97-9030-4dfeabdea73e.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12750350 Layers are your friend, OP.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:36:30 2017 No.12750357 File: 69 KB, 500x684, fd1a0b7f-a7ca-42c7-8b61-61b5a7cb8998.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12750351 Hair is pretty defining too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:52:48 2017 No.12750371 >>12747800 W2C this entire fit?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:59:36 2017 No.12750381 File: 71 KB, 606x808, R8epV47.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] w2c sick handbag

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 03:01:19 2017 No.12750383 File: 68 KB, 679x1024, Merchant_re4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12750381 What you buyin?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:35:29 2017 No.12750550 >>12747250 preach

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:40:27 2017 No.12750552 File: 277 KB, 1280x1280, 3c48e968-81d4-4ff8-b476-880845c19719.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:44:48 2017 No.12750554 >>12750252 Because it's normal for girls to dress in shitty costumes, while it's not for guys.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:45:55 2017 No.12750555 >>12750552 >listens to crystal castles once

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 06:02:00 2017 No.12750570 >>12747269 >>12747736 >>12747931 >>12749417 >>12750060 >>12750187 >>12750235 Is this considered Goth nowdays?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 06:04:04 2017 No.12750573 >>12750194 I have, actually. Back when steampunk was newer. Nowadays it's definitely 100% larp.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 06:05:11 2017 No.12750576 >>12750570 Goth really is dead.

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 07:29:49 2017 No.12750643

>>12750573
>>12750194
LARP =/= cosplay

LARP has rules, it's a game.

and I've yet to come across a LARP community that features steampunk shit

steampunk costumes are really fragile and most LARP involves bashing each other with foam clubs while yelling numbers. Steampunk cosplayers would get their outfits ruined.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 07:35:09 2017 No.12750645 the shallow rewards video on goth is essential viewing, boys. excellent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoodNwr7RZE&ab_channel=TM

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 07:41:17 2017 No.12750655 >>12750645 agreed good video but I wish he'd name the different scenes a bit more instead of swooping it all under goth

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 07:45:30 2017 No.12750659 >>12750655 yeah, he aint precise but he's potent. like a shotgun.

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 08:22:46 2017 No.12750714

Someone needs to set the record straight on Manson and Nine Inch Nails regarding their belonging to the goth scene cause it's a fucked-up situation.

Here's the thing: they both drew some inspiration from bands (Christian Death for MM, Depeche Mode for NIN) that weren't goth, but influenced the goth scene. And like new romantics who helped shape it, they both have a giant hard-on for Bowie. And if you wanna boil down goth to "moody new wave with a whiny singer dressed in black" you could argue that PHM was technically goth but it just doesn't sound the same: there's no reverb and no sense of majesty in it. Sonically, the Spooky Kids had nothing to do with goth, they were a White Zombie ripoff that parodied children's entertainment, essentially they were a punk-ish throwback to pre-punk Rock N Roll, with a few references to new romantic synthpop thrown in there that didn't even make it into their album.

I think the confusion comes mainly from the fact that to onlookers (including Robert Smith himself) melodramatic lyrics + spooky fashion = goth. And goth had always been kinda nebulous so when you remove the watery sound and the ominousness, you're left with spooky fashion. And if you're a weirdo in the early 90s who's still clinging to goth rock or new wave you're gonna gravitate towards those bands even if it's really not the same shit.

And once the media gets ahold of it, right as both bands decide to release more melodramatic albums (TDS and ACSS) everyone goes "fuck it, this is goth now." cause the actually goth bands are too old or too obscure.

Of course, neither NiN nor MM acknowledge this (why would they? they play industrial glam rock) but after a while, they both notice that because of them, goth is "a thing" again except not the real thing. So, mostly as a joke, they play along, Trent starts looking like Dracula and Manson releases EMDM, everyone takes it seriously and a few years later, everyone is embarrassed and decides to throw goth under the bus.

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 08:29:22 2017 No.12750724

>>12750714
And let's not forget that bands like Skinny Puppy acted as a transition point between the new wave/goth scenes and the industrial scene (even though many goth artists dabbled in industrial and vice-versa, at the end of the day it's all post-punk), so when spooky guys with makeup playing industrial rock music came along, everyone was kind of ready to assume that they were goth.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 08:31:25 2017 No.12750727 >>12750714 Trent looks like normalfag though.

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 08:35:46 2017 No.12750733

>>12750727
Now he does, But in the 90s he would dress up in black bondage sex pervert outfits and around 2000 he straight-up looked like Dracula.

I think that him dropping the Dracula look may have had something to do with a lot of goth kids dropping the goth thing to. Cause if daddy Trent doesn't look goth, why should I?

And Manson doesn't exactly make it look good anymore.

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 08:43:15 2017 No.12750749

>>12750570
Who fucking knows it's been years since I've seen a goth in the wild. As far as I can tell the music is still listened to but no one dressed the part anymore.
Frankly I tried to look for some decent goth outfits and the SEO for the term is fucked up, but even looking at pics of outfits from goth club nights don't look good either.
If someone has good outfits post them, but I think we all can't find any.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 08:49:12 2017 No.12750761 File: 273 KB, 1500x1500, 843b6db0c184080b5dbb04af4d420ad6[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12750749 I dress the part, something like this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 08:50:55 2017 No.12750765 >>12750761 neo-victorian, then

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 08:53:57 2017 No.12750770 >>12750765 Yes, I suppose that's it. I never even thought about neo-victorianism being a thing, I just buy and wear what I like.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 08:55:38 2017 No.12750772 >>12750770 it's basically watches Coppola's Dracula once

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 09:04:46 2017 No.12750787

GOTH POWERRANKINGS

1 greyscale new romantic
2 deathrocker who won't admit that deathrock is goth
3 neo-victorian aka *watches Dracula once*
4 spooky rivethead aka Blade/Selene cosplayer
5 gothninja
6 cybergoth aka Mortal Kombat cosplayer
7 tumblrgoth aka *watches Suicide Squad once while listening to Lil Peep*

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 09:05:20 2017 No.12750790

>>12750772
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristocrat_(fashion)
I suppose it's also called Aristocrat fashion in Japan? Japan seems cool with their different street fashion styles and such. In my country everyone just dresses like a normalfag and if they see someone with different fashion style they act like they saw a fucking ghost.

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 09:12:35 2017 No.12750806

>>12750790
Japan is special. Their goth scene evolved differently because when goth rock, glam metal and all sorts of theatrical punk and metal-derived scenes hit them in the 80s, all of that shit was lumped together under "visual kei", and eventually merged with the idol system when some of the biggest bands sold out. As a result it started trying to appeal to anime-watching fujoshi in the 90s while indiscriminately assimilating any kind of mildly edgy trend from the US, thereby spawning a billion autistic micro-trends that are basically cosplay while simultaneously streamlining itself into an unrecognizable goop of glam rock, goth rock, melodeath, power metal, nu-metal, emocore and pop punk. Each band tries to have a purely visual gimmick and some of them latched onto this specific aesthetic, which resulted in this trend.

So really the jap aristocrat fashion is the same thing, but filtered through edgy Boys Bands and yaoi mangas.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 09:20:35 2017 No.12750823 >>12750570 no, it's just that there aren't any goths on this board.

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 09:24:41 2017 No.12750826

>>12750570
Not really

we call it "gothninja" mostly as a joke, but it's just a fashion style, not a subculture. There's no gothninja music, no gothninja-favored literature or films or activities (except maybe very mild bondage), it isn't the expression of someone's interests and cultural background or social group, it's just something you wear when you wanna feel spooky.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 09:30:10 2017 No.12750838 File: 45 KB, 960x650, altarage.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12750826 Actually the gothninja look has been adopted by a handful of death metal bands with a spooky occult tone, but they only use it for photoshoots and stage performances.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 10:31:43 2017 No.12750931 >>12750733 >And Manson doesn't exactly make it look good anymore. He just needs to lose weight and he'll be ok.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 10:38:12 2017 No.12750939 >>12750931 actually he seems to be embracing the fact that he looks like shit his recent promo pics have him with smudged dirty grainy makeup

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 10:41:06 2017 No.12750942 File: 958 KB, 960x960, 21558844_10155867716180815_6363262094764298463_n[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12750939 Yeah, those were pics for the tour, but on his newest album pic he looks good.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 10:41:33 2017 No.12750945 >>12750942 ah fuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 11:13:59 2017 No.12751015 >>12750787 Super accurate. From most club nights goth now is basically the corpgoth look. So basically black slacks and black button up and call it good. Or band shirt and black jeans. Not much out there any more.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 13:42:31 2017 No.12751337 >>12750823 Where are the goths online now?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 13:44:14 2017 No.12751339 >>12749417 There's an LGBT character in Bloodborne?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 20:01:46 2017 No.12752187 >>12750749 I was at an industrial festival recently and it looked the same as 2007. Did notice old-school EBM is getting a lot more attention now though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 00:03:36 2017 No.12752632 >>12747088 Isn't this picture just an altered version of a famous hentai pic?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 00:12:49 2017 No.12752644 >>12747250 >>12747279 lmao at all these teenagers crying bc you're right

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 00:41:58 2017 No.12752683 >>12752187 Cool I haven't done anything in years. But how many people did you see that looked good? I remember everyone looked very basic with about a dozen people really doing something great at most shows.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 05:50:27 2017 No.12753025 >>12752632 no it's not I drew it. What hentai would that even be?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 14:32:07 2017 No.12753662 you either fa or goth, if u want both u will be fagoth lmao

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 17:35:28 2017 No.12754070 >>12747931 source on the jacket / sweater ?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 17:36:15 2017 No.12754072 >>12746930 finally a thread for me

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 18:45:01 2017 No.12754210 >>12747727 fuck yeah dude sad little girlies make my weenie happy

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 14 08:56:54 2017 No.12755638 >>12754210 embarrassing

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 14 09:58:40 2017 No.12755732 >>12750381 geos ruin it

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 14 10:23:22 2017 No.12755774 >>12747931 Is this nazgulcore?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 14 15:09:41 2017 No.12756429 File: 1.39 MB, 1417x3780, 1367417301988.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Do any anons have a style graphic for any of the goth looks? Or is the whole thing too dead now?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 14 19:15:20 2017 No.12757051 >>12756429 Dead

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 14 20:00:40 2017 No.12757162 >>12756429 Do this in full black and ad a bit of goth jewellery like a pendant or a ring but dont over do it and wear it in layers

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 09:11:28 2017 No.12758193 >>12756429 Dear god that's reddit core to the max

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 09:19:55 2017 No.12758199 >>12756429 r/malefashionadvice

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 09:23:45 2017 No.12758204 File: 215 KB, 961x961, 5f74007b-2cd1-4bf5-b5b7-302b1588f5fd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] my fav goth chick

Anonymous Fri Sep 15 09:43:11 2017 No.12758236

>>12757162
>>12758193
>>12758199
That's used as an example of the type of graphic I'm looking for, but with actual goth styles and outfits. Haven't been able to find anything useful when googling and most goth style blogs are from 6 years ago or older.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 10:50:00 2017 No.12758359 File: 132 KB, 750x1450, na-yorha-no9-type-s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Victorian style goths are out of fashion. Gothninja and cyberpunk aesthetics are going to be the next goth because people want something useful and pretty to wear.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 14:12:18 2017 No.12758714 >>12758359 >goths are out of fashion ftfy

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 14:15:47 2017 No.12758720 File: 11 KB, 259x194, images (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12758359 I think it will change but I'm biased since I never liked the vampire side of scene. However cyberpunk in black is basically niheicore and it never took off.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 15:17:10 2017 No.12758842 >>12758359 Only goth that has ever been "in" were the 80s goths like bauhaus, cure etc

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 15:19:39 2017 No.12758851 File: 101 KB, 485x750, 1481687536691.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12746930

Anonymous Fri Sep 15 15:24:17 2017 No.12758855

>>12758359
then why are you posting a victorian goth you dumb fuck?

Ouji cosplay is an offshoot of victorian goth. 9S doesn't dress "cyber" anything, he dresses like an Ouji cosplayer.

gothninja is so 2013 by the way, dead as fuck

>>12758204
not goth

>>12758720
>>12758359
cyberpunk has never really been a thing. Either you take a loose approach on it and it can look like fucking anything, including cybergoth raver, or you take a purist approach on it and you just end up looking like an industrial rocker, in which case you're already wearing all black.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 15:25:19 2017 No.12758857 >>12758851 >>>/normcore/

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 15:26:42 2017 No.12758862 >>12758359 You posted victorian though. Which is good, since it's the best goth.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 15:27:12 2017 No.12758865 File: 1.07 MB, 1280x1791, 1492267378491.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 15:27:28 2017 No.12758866 >>12758855 cyber punk is like goth mixed with military fashion items mixed with technology and practical wear.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 15:27:40 2017 No.12758867 >>12758862 nope, trad goth best goth

Anonymous Fri Sep 15 15:30:46 2017 No.12758871
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>>12758866
In theory yes. But if you want the pure/emblematic cyberpunk protag look, it's just a biker punk with weird sunglasses.

Here. Zero Cochrane. Looks like a random Ministry fanboy. Looks like 75% of all cyberpunk characters. Looks absolutely fine.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 15:32:54 2017 No.12758879 File: 404 KB, 1264x1861, Ghost Rider 2099 #001 - 09.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12758871

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 15:34:01 2017 No.12758884 File: 383 KB, 1255x1848, Ghost Rider 2099 #001 - 10.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12758879

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 15:40:46 2017 No.12758898 >>12758865 that's a harry potter cosplay, hon

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 15:49:06 2017 No.12758928 File: 106 KB, 700x466, julius.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12746930

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 15:50:22 2017 No.12758932 File: 166 KB, 706x960, 1489702213669.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 15:53:34 2017 No.12758940 File: 118 KB, 799x1208, 9ce99855-2e4c-4d72-ae01-7af14804a2be.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How would one dress trad goth during the winter season?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 15:56:47 2017 No.12758946 >>12758940 Black overcoat, black scarf, trousers, black leather boots.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 15:58:42 2017 No.12758951 File: 42 KB, 400x400, TFF_Mad_World.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12758940 >>12758946 Really, overcoats were a big thing in 80s fashion.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 15:58:53 2017 No.12758952 >>12758940 trench coat

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 16:10:21 2017 No.12758974 >>12758940 Leather trenchcoat

Anonymous Fri Sep 15 19:49:42 2017 No.12759430
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>>12758855
Never said victorian goth was bad, just that it's associated with steampunk and other cringy subcultures nowadays. People still use it of course but most "goths" of today are a mix of tumblrcore with techwear/gothninja.

>>12758866
Cyberpunk is a vague concept not really tied to anything specifically, it permeates high-tech, punk, goth and transhumanist subcultures, which is bad. For me dressing cyberpunk is like pic related with the added augmentation and integrated technology

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 20:35:06 2017 No.12759485 >>12759430 never said it was good, just that you were apparently posting a victorian goth as an example of cyberpunk/gothninja, which is retarded

Anonymous Fri Sep 15 20:47:54 2017 No.12759511

>>12759430
This nigga doesn't look punk or goth or anything, he just looks like a modern-day money-flexing high fashion poseur. Looks like his hobbies involve coffee, lightbulbs, rice paper, forcing himself to enjoy spectral music, questioning his own sexuality, and standing in rooms. Definitely not the sewer-crawling, computer-hacking, robot-raping type. I agree that "cyberpunk" is vague as fuck if you're using the term to qualify pieces of fiction, but the character archetype is pretty clear-cut.

Anonymous Fri Sep 15 21:34:04 2017 No.12759592

>>12752683
Looked good? Eh. But that was the same back in the day anyways. Rivetheads never change so that's a given. Other than that, still a lot of corsets and a lot of Cyberdog/PlastikWrap on the girls.

I guess more people are just doing a sleeker version of cyber, or maybe we're just all getting older. Not as many obnoxious cybergoths with the furry legwarmers and foam dreads. I think some of the younger gen who would have gone for that are opting for 90s raver style instead or the weeaboo convention version. Also, not nearly as much uniform fetish style.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 21:55:12 2017 No.12759619 >>12758866 I thought cyberpunk was lunarcore but in black and grey? Is there a different name?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 22:03:44 2017 No.12759628 File: 195 KB, 640x853, cyberpunk-mondo-2000.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12759619 Cyberpunks are computer geeks who like Ministry.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 22:18:35 2017 No.12759643 File: 64 KB, 204x132, motoko can't brain today.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12759619 How the fuck did you come to that conclusion?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 22:19:38 2017 No.12759649 >>12759628 w2c voice-changing boots?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 22:26:06 2017 No.12759656 >>12759649 the future

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 15 23:31:59 2017 No.12759750 >>12759511 Can you give me an example of cyberpunk then? I'm speaking realism here, not some fictional character with metal strapped all over. Jensen from Deus Ex comes to mind, he uses some sort of high fashion but with utility in mind.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 00:20:48 2017 No.12759824 >>12750806 That is an incredible sentence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 01:02:14 2017 No.12759888 >>12758940 This should be obvious, anon. It's the one season when you can wear a full-length black overcoat without it looking weird.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 01:06:46 2017 No.12759898 File: 27 KB, 405x607, portrait.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12758359 It's true. Victorian goth peaked with Ann Demeulemeester AW09 collection.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 01:18:59 2017 No.12759917 >>12758946 >>12758951 >>12758952 >>12758974 Overcoat it is. I think I'll stay away from leather though. We all know how easily that can go wrong

Anonymous Sat Sep 16 01:52:16 2017 No.12759947

>>12759750
Jensen is LITERALLY a fictional character with metal strapped all over. He isn't cool because of super-practical tacticool techwear, he's just got prostheses that look cool, the rest is just a third-rate Neo-wannabe outfit. He isn't a "proof of concept" of high-fashion techwear ; because unlike you and I, he's got robot arms and shitloads of implants that allow him to be intimidating despite looking like a fuccboi. The sleek high fashion thing is just him looking as un-punk as possible in order to sneak around because he's really more of a super-spy than a high-tech low-life.

here's a good example of doable cyberpunk:
>>12758879
a random rivethead thug who happens to have a brainjack. The overly-elaborate sunglasses convey the idea that his worldview is filtered by technology and they look like they conceivably might be some kind of weird VR goggles. If you want to make it more of a fashion statement you can obviously use accessories as precise cultural references. But the charm of cyberpunk comes precisely from the fact that it's NOT consistently futuristic, it's very 20th century with a few extra gadgets. The archetypal cyber-punk doesn't need super-advanced clothes to run around, hack computers and shoot people so practicality is a moot point when jeans, boots and a leather jacket do the job just fine, he's probably too poor to blow his cash on anything but drugs, weapons and maintenance anyway. So he just dresses like the rest of his dumb gang. It's just as realistic as Jensen, but unlike Jensen's look, it's punk.

>>12759898
I don't know about that, gives me nasty Golden Age Of Grotesque flashbacks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 01:53:32 2017 No.12759949 >>12759917 do stay away from leather. If possible find yourself a more ample overcoat. You know something that's kind of expressive, not a Wall Street winterwear kind of overcoat.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 06:25:30 2017 No.12760255 >>12759947 GAOG was Manson's best look though

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 07:35:27 2017 No.12760328 >>12760255 Manson has never has a best look.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 07:50:33 2017 No.12760343 >>12747279 >not knowing how oxymorons work Is english your second language?

R Y S S C A N D V S !KNDYYIIins Sat Sep 16 07:56:10 2017 No.12760352

>>12760343

YOUR REPLY IS UNINTENTIONALLY IRONIC; BY IMPLYING THAT I IGNORE WHAT CONSTITUTES AN OXYMORON, YOU HAVE MERELY REVEALED YOUR IGNORANCE OF WHAT CONSTITUTES AN OXYMORON —THE TERM "RADICALLY TRADITIONAL" IS AN OXYMORON.

AN ALTERNATIVE POSSIBILITY IS THAT YOU IGNORE THE MEANING OF "RADICALLY", AND/OR OF "TRADITIONAL".

Anonymous Sat Sep 16 08:01:09 2017 No.12760360

>>12760352
PERHAPS YOU DO IGNORE THOSE MEANINGS

"RADICAL" MEANS "COMES FROM THE ROOTS" AND TRADITIONS ARE THE FOUNDATION OF A CULTURE; INSOFAR AS CULTURE IS USUALLY REFERRED TO AS A LIVING, GROWING THING, YOU COULD SAY THAT TRADITIONS ARE ITS ROOTS

SO REALLY, "RADICALLY TRADITIONAL" IS MORE OF A TRUISM

"RADICAL" DOES N O T MEAN "WILLING TO TRY NEW THINGS OUT OF IDEOLOGICAL EXTREMISM".

R Y S S C A N D V S !KNDYYIIins Sat Sep 16 08:36:46 2017 No.12760403

>>12760360
>"RADICAL" MEANS "COMES FROM THE ROOTS"...

YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

>... TRADITIONS ARE THE FOUNDATION OF A CULTURE...

NO.

TRADITION IS THE GIVING ACROSS (GENERATIONS, COLLECTIVES, INDIVIDUALS) OF NORMS, PRACTICES, RITUALS, CUSTOMS, ESPECIALLY IN ROTELY AND TAUTOLOGICALLY.

CULTURE IS NOT FOUNDED ON, NOR SUPPORTED BY, TRADITION; ON THE CONTRARY: TRADITION IS AN ANTICULTURAL FORCE WHICH STULTIFIES, PARALYZES, AND NEGATES, PROCULTURAL FORCES.

>"RADICAL" DOES N O T MEAN "WILLING TO TRY NEW THINGS OUT OF IDEOLOGICAL EXTREMISM".

I DID NOT IMPLY, NOR ASSERTED, THAT THAT IS WHAT IT MEANS.

>>	R Y S S C A N D V S !KNDYYIIins Sat Sep 16 08:38:35 2017 No.12760408 File: 1.79 MB, 1068x1179, IMG_0740.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12760403

Anonymous Sat Sep 16 08:55:55 2017 No.12760420
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>>12760403
YOU SEEM TO BE CONFUSING CULTURE AND PROGRESS. A CULTURE GROWS AND PROGRESSES WHEN IT MEETS NEW CONDITIONS AND NEW PEOPLE, BUT WITHOUT TRADITIONS IT'S NOT A CULTURE IN THE FIRST PLACE, IT'S JUST AN ARBITRARY COLLECTION OF RANDOM PRACTICES.

IF TRADITION IS A FORCE IT CAN ONLY BE A CULTURAL FORCE, EVEN IF IT'S A REACTIONARY FORCE.

A CULTURE THAT HAS STOPPED GROWING IS STILL A CULTURE, THINGS DON'T ALWAYS NEED TO CHANGE IN ORDER TO SURVIVE. ESPECIALLY NOT MADE-UP THINGS LIKE CULTURES.

IN THE CASE OF THE GOTH SUBCULTURE, ALL IT NEEDS TO SURVIVE IS FOR PEOPLE TO KEEP DOING GOTH THINGS, NOT FOR PEOPLE TO FIND NEW WAYS OF DOING GOTH THINGS

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 08:56:09 2017 No.12760421 >>12760328 Almost as if taste is subjective huh?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 08:57:29 2017 No.12760422 >>12760421 taste is subjective but beauty is objective, essentially.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 08:57:49 2017 No.12760424 >>12760420 >>12760403 YOU ARE BOTH FUCKING FAGGOTS

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 09:06:27 2017 No.12760431 >>12760424 MAYBE BUT AT LEAST I'M NOT THE ONE WHO'S ADVOCATING FOR THE GOTH SUBCULTURE TO CHANGE TO SATISFY VAGUE MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT CULTURE

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 09:50:18 2017 No.12760495 >>12760422 Explain. Your definition of beauty is result of your taste.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 09:56:11 2017 No.12760503 >>12760495 beauty is a property of the object, strictly speaking. It is no less objective than any other part of reality.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 09:59:22 2017 No.12760509 >>12760503 You can objectively measure properties of an object that are objective anon. Beauty is in the eyes of a beholder, there is no unit of beautiness that can scientifcally measure beauty of an object.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 10:07:30 2017 No.12760519 >>12760421 >being a goth >liking Manson Pick one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 10:08:03 2017 No.12760521 >>12760509 >You can objectively measure properties of an object that are objective anon. that is inaccurate. Being a citizen of the US is an objective property but it's not measurable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 10:13:31 2017 No.12760527 >>12760519 Good thing I'm not a goth. >>12760521 That's a binary state, you either are a citizen of US or not. It is objective.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 10:17:38 2017 No.12760531 >>12760527 citizenship is a property of an object, therefore it's objective. Objects are in certain states when they have certain properties. Those properties don't need to be measurable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 10:21:42 2017 No.12760540 >>12760531 Knowing in which binary state the object is means you measured it though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 10:27:17 2017 No.12760545 >>12760540 then in that case, beauty is measurable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 10:33:27 2017 No.12760552 >>12760545 But not objectively.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 10:39:05 2017 No.12760561 >>12760552 You don't measure things "in an objective manner", that doesn't mean anything.

Anonymous Sat Sep 16 11:06:18 2017 No.12760607
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>>12760403
>>12760420
Shut the fuck up and quit being giant bitches.
This thread is for people that want to know how to make goth look good in 2017 without cringe so post some fucking clothing and keep philosophy to your 101 course.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 11:16:13 2017 No.12760629 >>12760607 The answer is to always go rivethead in every year.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 11:18:19 2017 No.12760632 >>12747250 very correct thank u

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 11:19:41 2017 No.12760637 >>12760607 >without le cringies just don't be a trendy tumblrgoth lil peep wannabee

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 12:28:08 2017 No.12760766 >>12758204 she was so much cuter when she was 13/14

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 13:09:39 2017 No.12760861 >>12760629 Post dank rivethead pic for me to shamelessly copy

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 13:20:38 2017 No.12760883 >>12759947 Fair enough. That's your view of the style and i like it but i do not like to think of 20th century materials, there's a lot of possible new futuristic materials available right now that may get mainstream in the near future.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 21:45:42 2017 No.12761940 >>12760766 ... Christ.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 16 22:41:45 2017 No.12762025 >>12760887 W2C pants like these or similarly fitting cargos?

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