Overdyeing Alpenflage?

[Anonymous No.10143294]

/k/ here, so, I tried to overdye an Alpenflage M70 jacket because it's just too bright(it feels like I'm wearing a reggae record), and I couldn't get the dye to stick at all. I used RIT dye, both dark green and then black(neither worked), I let the jacket sit for an hour in hot water and then rinsed in cold, but none of the dye stuck at all. Do you guys know what I did wrong? I used the same process to dye an old wool jacket and it worked great. Also, how out of style is overdyed camo?

[Anonymous No.10143527]

>>10143294
No one?

[Anonymous No.10143551]

I think that looks great man walk me through the process I want to do it

[Anonymous No.10143557]

>>10143551
I wish I could friend, I just found this image, which was my inspiration, but I couldn't get the dye to stick for some reason.

[Anonymous No.10143560]

That actually looks pretty cool, reminds me of the Our Legacy overdyed flannel shirt last year

[Anonymous No.10143600]

>>10143560
Thanks anon, here's how bright it is normally.

>>10143551
I found this process for flecktarn, which I imagine is sort of similar, everyone says it's a pain in the dick.

>i just used hot tap water, a bucket, 2 packs of it dye and a cup of salt. turned out pretty good.

I've also heard that vinegar helps hold the dye, I dunno. It's like 1:30 am here and I don't have to work or wake up early tomorrow, tempted to go buy some RIT from the 24 hr grocery.

[Anonymous No.10143612]

>>10143600
That looks cool as fuck OP. Even if you can't get the dye to hold I don't think you should worry about it too much.

[Anonymous No.10143746]

>>10143294

Herr Urst is that you

[Anonymous No.10143764]

>>10143746
Lol, no, sorry, not me. I did go to the grocery store though, and I'm going to try and use a half packet of black RIT dye with a cup of salt and a cup of vinegar. I'll try and post pix if anyone is interested.

[Anonymous No.10144284]

>>10143764
Probably too late to tell you but you only use either salt or vinegar but not both as they neutralize each other out.

[Anonymous No.10144288]

>>10143294
It's cotton/poly blend, you can only really dye the cotton fibers, polyester won't take any of the colors.
That's probably as dark as you can get it.

[Versace !cOMmeDgX6E No.10144302]

>>10143294
absolute pain in the ass to dye these things
i found that dylon works better than rit but you need to buy a shit ton of either for these jackets because of how heavy they are

[Anonymous No.10144450]

>>10143294
That looks really fucking cool man. I would definitely wear that. Way better than how it started and I reckon it looks cooler like this than it would if it was all black.

[Anonymous No.10144564]

>>10144288
What he said^ you need a stronger better dye to dye polyester and other fabrics other than cotton..and word of advice to everyone in this thread, RIT dye is the cheapest shit you can get lol

[Anonymous No.10144938]

I was kind of unclear in my OP, I'm trying to get the pictured results, but this picture shows how dark I'm able to get it, which is not very. I don't even want to it super dark, just a little darker to kill some of these weirdly bright colors(apparently it's a super effective camo, it just looks strange). Thanks for advice, it looks like I made a mess for nothing, lol. I'm gonna keep trying though. Word to the wise, these things are super short in the arms,so I sewed some cuffs from a busted hoodie into the sleeves to add some length.

[Anonymous No.10145099]

>>10144564
I realized that I have about a 1/4 bottle of Fiebings from dyeing some boots, I think if Fiebings doesn't dye this motherfucker nothing will. I'll update in a few hours with results. (caution, Fiebings is super strong, be really careful not to get it anywhere you don't want it)

[Anonymous No.10145139]

>>10143294
>>10143527

Looks like something by Stone Island, their subdued flecktarn variant for example. Dope.

[Anonymous No.10145213]

>>10144938
Holy shit sell that to me then. What size?

That looks amazing OP

[Anonymous No.10145226]

>>10145099
lol, not sure how a leather dye is gonna turn out on poly, but I'm definitely curious now..

[Anonymous No.10145266]

>>10145213
OP pic is what I'm shooting for, not mine. I found that image by searching "dyed Alpenflage".

[Anonymous No.10145276]

>>10145226
Ha, yeah, me neither, I just figured I've got nothing to lose on a $9 jacket, I've spent double on dye so far, lol. Fiebings is so concentrated, it might work at little bit. I'm surprised there's poly in this, it doesn't feel like it.

[Anonymous No.10145281]

>>10145276
there is no composition tag?

[Anonymous No.10145294]

I took my flecktarn parka to a alternation shop last winter and had it dyed black. The pattern is only slightly visible which gives it a unique look. But yeah, RIT dye generally won't cut it. And if it's polyester threads it won't dye at all.

[Anonymous No.10145776]

I tried some india ink that's made for "polyester film" I don't think it did anything either. Oh well, it's been a fun project.

>>10145281
I couldn't find one, it's not obvious like on flecktarn.

>>10145294
How much did that cost?

[Anonymous No.10146302]

Man, nothing stuck to this thing at all! That's a bit frustrating.

[Anonymous No.10146540]

>>10146302
Still looks cool. Link to cop? The website I found has two for $20, only mediums and larges available though. I'm a small and apparently they run pretty small, so I'm wondering what'll fit me. Have any insight?

[Anonymous No.10146573]

>>10143746
knoch is a master of this shit, he wouldn't ask /fa/ for help

[Anonymous No.10146595]

>>10146540
Thanks anon, I'm gonna try and get it a bit darker, I'm stubborn. For sure, it's a pretty cool jacket for $9, and it's got lots and lots of pockets and stuff to mess with, the hood and face mask are dope as fuck. I'm about a 38-39 and the "medium" is what I ordered. Not sure how tall you are, but I just added some cuffs from a trashed hoodie to the end of the jackets cuffs and now I don't have frankenstein arms. Lemme know if you want pics of that.

I bought mine from Midway(I was shopping for ammo, lol), they have a lot of good camo for cheap. I'd also suggest buying an M65 liner and just sewing some buttons to the inside of your coat because this has no liner in it(never was meant to for some reason?).

Swiss
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1918121038/military-surplus-swiss-m70-field-jacket-swiss-camo

Liner
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1918256175/military-surplus-m65-jacket-liner-nylon

Hope that helps and let me know if you need anymore help have questions.

[Anonymous No.10146721]

>>10146540

mind it will lighten a lot as it dries, anon.

Hey OP, give a post when your jacket dries completely, so we can see if anything has happened. I suspect you will need a stronger fabric dye, especially if its a polycotton mix (speaking of, any tags or information about composition online?). If nout works, look up dyes that bond with polycotton, and mind that usually using hotter water (50-60 C) helps the bonding process in dyes. I suspect if the Rit is doing nada it will be leaning too much toward the poly for a cold-temp basic fabric dye to work.

[Anonymous No.10146736]

>>10143294
Did you add vinegar? It helps the dye stick.

[Anonymous No.10146788]

>>10146721
>Hey OP, give a post when your jacket dries completely, so we can see if anything has happened.

Will do. I can't find any tags or info online, I dunno, none of the retailers except for one guy who states that it's "TOP QUALITY 100% HEAVY COTTON CANVAS". I have experience with water resistant surplus camo stuff(zelts specfically),and this doesn't feel very water resistant at all. I would expect having trouble dyeing an M65 jacket or something that's stiff and water resistant like that. This just feels like a cottony-denim, that's why I'm so mystified.

Things I've tried

RIT with hot water and salt and vinegar

RIT with hotwater and just salt

RIT with hotwater and just vinegar

India ink for "polyester film" and salt

None of these have done anything to the fabric. I dunno really.

[Anonymous No.10146802]

>>10146788

I do not trust capslock man. I think your best bet is a dye that works on polyester/cotton blends. I have dyed surp stuff before where various bits of it have not changed at all, so it seems plausible to me that the general construction of a field jacket could contain poly.

[Anonymous No.10146831]

>>10146802
>I do not trust capslock man. I think your best bet is a dye that works on polyester/cotton blends.

Ha, yeah, me neither. Yeah, I think you're right, I think I'll try this in either green or black. I do not want to completely bury this patttern, just mute it a bit. Do you think I should try a dark green or just use half a packet of black?

[Anonymous No.10146848]

>>10146831
Different guy, but I would just use black.
I dyed my flecktarn black with rit dye today and it was 80% cotton 20% polyester. The pattern isn't covered and it didn't dry totally black but def looks better

[Anonymous No.10146880]

This is what a dried part of the jacket looks like. It's like nothing happened, haha.

>>10146848
Thanks anon, what dye did you use and did you use the whole packet? Can we see pics?

[Anonymous No.10147081]

>>10146880
Sorry I didn't take any before pictures. I used a bottle of rit dye black and 2 packets of rit dye black powder with some hot water and some salt

[Anonymous No.10147184]

>>10147081
Nice, looks good anon. I wonder how many boxes of RIT a bottle equals, I think I might just order some Poly dye anyway

[Anonymous No.10147211]

>>10147184
Yeah there seems to be some tutorials on poly dyeing its just more complicated, good luck anon that hood is cool

[Anonymous No.10147267]

>>10147211
Thanks dude, if I can get it to work right I might do a tutorial and a thread about the jacket in general.

[Anonymous No.10147373]

I've been trying to do something similar with my Surplus M65 canvas jacket.

>Follow directions on bottle of liquid RitDye
>Nothing

>Two full bottles of RitDye and a box of powder with a shit ton of salt
>Slightly darker.

If you find anything that works for you, I may be interested.

[Anonymous No.10147462]

>>10147373
how hot is ur water
and how long are you soaking

[Anonymous No.10147485]

>>10147462
For the first try, I followed the directions exactly.

The second time around I kept the temperature the same and let it soak for close to 50 min.

[Bolt-Action Chopsticks !!ogHwB92GknK No.10147787]

There's so many other patterns to dye with far better outcomes, why Alpenflage of all things?

[Anonymous No.10147809]

>>10147485
i got my water to boiling soaked it for like 1-1:30 hours mixing like every 5 mins then cold washing it in the sink

[Anonymous No.10147816]

>>10147787
hey are you interested in buying a parka for like $30 shipped

[Bolt-Action Chopsticks !!ogHwB92GknK No.10147838]

>>10147816

I already have some people I'm planning to commit purchases to in the near future, but if you've got a picture of the parka in question I might consider the offer, watcha sellin'?

[Anonymous No.10147870]

>>10147787
>There's so many other patterns to dye with far better outcomes, why Alpenflage of all things?

Because it was $9 and the hood and face veil are dope as fuck. It's also a good option for wearing in the woods/camping, what with all the pockets and shit. I just wish it was as dark as it is when it's soaking wet, it looks much less clowny. What are you favs for dyeing out of your pic?

[Anonymous No.10147889]

>>10147838
heavy liner
medium size (kinda large)
i'm like 5'7" and length ends below my knee
lmk

[Anonymous No.10147892]

if you cant handle the vierfrucht pyjama you might want to get some classic woodland maybe

[Anonymous No.10147914]

>>10147892
I really like the jacket, I just wish it was like 2-3 shades darker, that's all, it's a great piece of kit.

[Anonymous No.10147923]

>>10147787

can I get an ID on the blue/grey/white parka 5th from left top row

and the grey parka bottom row?

[Bolt-Action Chopsticks !!ogHwB92GknK No.10147925]

>>10147889

If you can do $20 + shipping then yeah, we can probably work something out.

[Anonymous No.10147929]

>>10147923
First is Navy NWU parka, second idk

[Anonymous No.10147934]

>>10147925
thats fine,
send me an email at ultramanayu yahoo.co.jp

[Bolt-Action Chopsticks !!ogHwB92GknK No.10147943]

>>10147923

The top parka is a USN NWU parka, although it isn't the Gore-Tex variant, good for keeping you dry and warm on-deck or anywhere else, it was free and it's enormous, I believe it's a tall-long, the only uniform I own that isn't my size.

The bottom grey parka is an experimental Russian VDV Mabuta "Arktika" variant, more than likely designed for the VDV in the event that the Cold War heated up and there was an invasion of Europe in the winter. The simple outer design hides an over engineered internal section, complete with a Makarov pistol holster / pocket, a compass / watch shroud hidden in the sleeve, and several other utilitarian pockets.

I purchased it as a set with matching pants in unissued condition for $60, full sets with liners can fetch $400, it's one of my rarer uniforms.

[Bolt-Action Chopsticks !!ogHwB92GknK No.10147953]

>>10147934

Sure, I'll send one in a bit.

[Anonymous No.10147974]

>>10147953
cheerz pal

[Bolt-Action Chopsticks !!ogHwB92GknK No.10148029]

>>10147974

Sent, check your spam folder just in case.

[Anonymous No.10148454]

>>10147943

thanks man

[B-AC No.10149824]

Never got a reply, shoot an email to:

boltactionchopsticks()outlook()com

>>10148454

If you live (or have friends) on the west coast, especially in California, I suggest paying a visit to the local surplus stores there - typically NWU is offloaded by sailors and seems to be more reasonably priced than anywhere else.

[Anonymous No.10149840]

>>10147787
What's the 4th one in the middle row?

[B-AC No.10150880]

>>10149840

US Desert Night Camo, designed for operating in the desert, obviously. The pattern was believed to be "invisible" to older night vision systems, the problem is that it wasn't - at all.

Still, it was issued pretty widely to troops and found a niche in special forces, who modded jackets for high-speed-low-drag looks.

I've seen a few pictures of this.

I overpaid for this but it's in good shape and fits well, they come in these fishtail parkas and pants, rarer ones are Gore-Tex with a reversible tri-color desert camouflage side.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Night_Camouflage

>>10147870

Sorry, never saw this post.

While I don't own it, many people attest the Desert DPM being the most attractive dyed camouflages, it takes on an almost midnight purple and dark brown coloration, very cool if done properly.

Being a collector, I would never dye anything unless I owned another example of it first, but if I did, it would probably be my six-color desert "Chocolate Chip" jacket, second on the very bottom row from the right, next to my Zaire Leopard pants.

Also, to Parka Anon, still waiting on your e-mail.

[Anonymous No.10150995]

OP here, scored some black idye poly dye and two packets of Dylon black cotton dye. Currently rinsing, will update with dry photos if this thread doesn't die.

[Anonymous No.10151009]

>>10149824
I sent you an email, check again.
If you don't see it, send me another mail or post here, which ever is more convenient.

[Anonymous No.10151015]

>>10151009
wait, my mail didn't send woops.
I'll send you again from my real email.

[Anonymous No.10152125]

>>10150995
Wanna see results,
good luck.

[Anonymous No.10152297]

>>10152125
Thanks anon, it's still drying, but I used a blow dryer to see how the rest of it will turn out, and I don't think it did a damn thing, lol. The poly dye directions said to basically boil the jacket on a stove top for an hour, but I don't have a large enough pot, nor do I want the jacket to be 100% black, so used a Rubbermaid tub and very hot water for an hour with 1 idye poly packet and two packets of dylon cotton dye and it didn't do jack shit. It's possible that this might work if you follow the poly directions to a T, but I also don't want a completely over dyed jacket, so, I dunno. I might take a break on this project unless anyone has a good suggestion.

[Anonymous No.10152335]

>>10152297
Dang, sorry to see that it didn't turn out the way you wanted. I hope you have better luck in the future anon.

[Anonymous No.10152462]

>>10152335
Thanks dude, I appreciate that, I'll probably try again at a later date. I think I'll just have to bombard this thing with dye(multiple packets) until it gives up.

[Anonymous No.10152556]

>>10152462
np man, sounds good just try not to go overboard with the dye.

[Anonymous No.10154307]

>>10143294
Can I wear a Flecktarn parka if I'm a manlet?

[Anonymous No.10154366]

>>10152462
hey anon, from looking around online, it seems that the key to poly staining is really high temperatures, so using just hot water prob. wont cut it

You need to permeabilize the plastic fibers, which is presumably what the boiling step does.

[Anonymous No.10154407]

>>10154307
Don't think so...

[Anonymous No.10154421]

>>10154407
b-but they have small short

[Anonymous No.10154431]

>>10152297
When I asked the chick at JoAnn's about my flecktarn she also mentioned how hard it would be if it was wool or mostly poly. For both of those you really need to boil. Def look into getting a bigger pot if this is something u r really interested in

[Anonymous No.10154528]

>>10154421
I don't know how it would look on you but usually they don't look that god on shorter people but when they pull it off its actually pretty cool so it's all up to you

[Anonymous No.10154557]

>>10154528
(heavy breathing)

[Anonymous No.10154576]

>>10154557
Hi friend

[Anonymous No.10154587]

>>10154576
:^)

[Anonymous No.10154682]

Alright guys, I'm on my first attempt right now at dying flecktarn. If it works out well I'll post pics and explain how I went about it.

[Anonymous No.10154718]

>>10154682
Good luck, please do.

[Anonymous No.10155011]

>>10147373

This is my M65.
I wish it were fully black (or any solid color) but it is growing on me.

[Anonymous No.10155019]

>>10155011
I do like the color the inside became, though.
Unfortunately, you can also see now where the glue that held the old patches (gone before I bought it) was.

[Anonymous No.10155056]

>>10154307
What are those cuffs? Those patk of the jacket?

[Anonymous No.10155064]

>>10154366
>>10154431
Thanks guys, I'm gonna wait and see how
>>10154682 this guys project turns out, hopefully he'll give us lots of deets on how he did it(how much dye, what kind, how long, etc)

[Anonymous No.10155066]

>>10154307
The color of this is a result of cranked color saturation. Real flektarn isn't as colorful (sadly). Parkas make short people look shorter by the way.

[Anonymous No.10155391]

>>10143600
sorry, could you explain the process in slightly more detail?

[Anonymous No.10155406]

>>10155391
>i just used hot tap water, a bucket, 2 packs of it dye and a cup of salt. turned out pretty good.

This was me quoting someone else. I did this exact thing and it did not work for me.
This anon >>10154682
will probs post pics soon with how he did it and then we will learn from his wisdom.

[Anonymous No.10155490]

What's the best milsurp jacket that doesn't look like camo? Also what's the best site?

[Anonymous No.10156077]

>>10155490
M65 is a breddy gud jacket.

Unrelated, here's a pic I found via googling, looks like the guy used green rather than black, I think that's the route I'm going to go. Gonna buy a large pot and some green poly dye tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.10156083]

>>10156077
Some Britbong managed to dye his Alpenflage lavender, I kinda dig it honestly.

[Anonymous No.10156426]

>>10154718
>>10155064
>>10155406
Probably gonna have results in about an hour. I have no clue how it's turned out tbh, machine drying it right now because I'm lazy, hopefully that doesn't have adverse effects. Fingers crossed.

[Anonymous No.10156437]

>>10156426
Fingers crossed for you too anon, and thanks for updating.

[Anonymous No.10156585]

>>10154682
>>10154718
>>10155064
>>10155406
>>10156437
So it's done, but I've lost my phone so photos are taken off my laptop and don't look great. Only got two shots because they're a pain in the ass to take on this thing.

All in all the dying worked way way better than I expected given the amount of people I've seen get no results at all. I dyed it in a pot on the stove that the parka barely fit in, but despite that, the dying was surprisingly even overall. As for how I went about it, here's what I did:

I stuck the parka in the pot and filled the water up to a couple inches below the top. I turned on the stove and dumped in a bottle of black liquid Rit dye and poured some salt in for good luck. From there I just let it reach its boiling point. The water boiled over once which was a huge pain in the ass to clean up after. I only really got to have the parka in there at a boil for around half an hour because I had to go. And that's pretty much it aside from the huge pain it was to clean afterwards.

I think the key to the whole thing is temperature. People seem to be using a shitload of dye at a low temperature and getting no results.

[Anonymous No.10156588]

>>10156585
Pic 2/2. Tell me if you want any specific picture/angle/whateverthefuck.

[Anonymous No.10156663]

>>10156588
Looks good anon, easier to see in the second pic, I think you're right about the heat element. I'm gonna try again in the morning and I'll make sure and post. Are you stoked on your jacket?