/fa/ - Fashion

>>7497631
Get the fuck out of here you fuckboi

>>7497645
Sorry Flavio/Prathan

>>7497631
>Where are achilles lows produced in?
italy
>implying 90% of your clothes don't come from china/vietnam etc,
they dont
>and you havent bought stuff someone imported from aliexpress because thats what loads of retailers do
i havent

>>7497666
yfw I recently researched about this
yeah they're made in italy
but the workers are illegal chinese immigrants
so made in china in italy
feels bad man, my velcros made in portugal might be even better quality lel

>>7497666
good goy, yessss, theyre not made in china, yesss! not from china, pay big money goy! dont buy straight from the producers, no no!

>>7497693
bullshit

>>7497727
you think so? then show me pics inside the factory they're made in

>>7497693
>but the workers are illegal chinese immigrants
no they're not

>>7497745
are you mentally retarded?

>>7497757
>implying there are normal/native people working slave wage just to make your CP's so you can be happy
oh man
world is not what you think it is
when it comes to clothing, 99% of everything is made by chinks and the like because it just isnt profitable to pay normal wages to the workers

>>7497769
oh man
u don't know shit
the illegal chinese immigrants make fakes and no name shit, not designer and luxury goods

>>7497769
we're talking about CPs, not proudly made in China Jordans you fuccboi

>>7497811
they make everything u fool

>>7497811

> the illegal chinese immigrants make fakes and no name shit, not designer and luxury goods


> being this naïve

>>7497727
>>7497757
Not the guy who originally posted and I dont know about cps in particular but in general thats true, there are tons of factories in Italy filled with Chinese Immigrants in fairly bad conditions.

>>7497811
You seriously believe that?

Do a simple google search with these key words, just copy paste, and start reading:

"made in italy", illegal chinese labor, tuscany, luxury brand

What, did you really think you could trust those itais? Ha! Why do you think brands from france, the usa and elsewhere get their shit made in italy? Place is so corrupt that all you need tp do is bribe the right folks and presto! Brig trouble is little chitlay.

Man italy is such a shithole
>italy
>european

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>7497829
>>7497830
>>7497868
u nerds watched a youtube video and now ur authorities on the subject

italy is the mexico of NA

>>7497884
dont u mean europe

id cop these cps and see if theyre shit or real, but im 100% sure theyre real
its just cutting out all the middlemen from the transaction

>>7497893
they didn't even get the materials right

>>7497893
italy is like* the mexico of NA

>>7497893
I'm 100% sure you're a fuccboi who couldn't even spot real cps in person let alone shady Chinese sites

Ps-if you seriously think unskilled chinks are making all the clothes in the world you're retarded. Maybe all of your shitty Zara but not anything that has intricate details

>>7497937
>make 100 shoes a day because will starve to death otherwise
>unskilled

The QC is still high, after all you just need a trained pair of hands, just don't think you're paying that high price because of expensive italian labor; it's chinese labor that you're paying for and a supreme price markup.

>>7497865
>a simple google search
never thought I'd ever need this pic

ITT: deluded fuckboys who still haven't caught on yet.This shit was reported in the mainstream news years ago.

Fucking retarded.

>>7497937
>Maybe all of your shitty Zara but not anything that has intricate details
whatever lets you justify m8
keep believing what you want.

ITT: mad poorfags

>>7497884
fuck, how can you be this stupid?

>>7497937
>cp's
>intricate details

>>7498092
but he is right
I bet you are some delusional american or jap who thinks Italy is just like old Roman Empire.
fuck off

>>7498130
what is basic english

>>7498144
and geography

>>7498144
dunno, if I made some grammatical mistake please point it out
you can't expect everyone to speak fluent english on an international board

>>7498130
have you ever been to italy? or elsewhere in southern europe like portugal or greece? incredibly high poverty, low standards of living, huge illegal immigrant populations. trash and garbage everywhere. the city of rome cant even pay to maintain their famous roman fountains.

theres a reason designers make a lot of stuff in places like portugal,italy, romania, etc. its not because muh milan fasun week its because. these places have the cheapest fucking labor in the eu

>>7498208
that's what I was implying

>>7497631
Her arm looks so awkward and uncomfortable.
Also
>aliexpress
They will look absolutely awful and you'll regret even spending a cent on that site.
Have fun though.

>>7498208
Dude that's what he's implying.

>>7498240
>>7498247
Wow fuck, hivemind

I'm surprised people are surprised about this.

Has no one here ever had to deal with italians? They are the some of the slipperiest motherfuckers out there.

>>7497769
>slave wage
>common projects

>>7498371
>common wages

yeah pretty much the only difference is material and quality control.

you have to really go out of your way to buy clothing made by truly fair companies. it's such a shame

>>7498423
>you have to really go out of your way to buy clothing made by truly fair companies. it's such a shame
i personally don't care about fairness in a labour sense (2edgy4u) I just dont' like the fact that the brands are so profit hungry - using cheaper labour and all and not passing any of those savings on and in fact looking for even more ways to skimp and cut corners. so yeah, I guess it is a shame to find a "fair" company (not in the way you meant I think), at least if it's in italy, god damn are they some dodgy fucks.

>>7498240
>>7498247

ya i see that now. guess i meant to reply to someone else. italy is the third world of europe. went to some italian bienniale art exhibition last summer and talked to a bunch of well-off, educated italians. they have nothing but horror stories to tell of their home country.

anyone know if these are true to size

>>7498381
>housing projects
>common slaves
>new slaves
>all u fuccbois buyin common projects for hurr durr muh italian quality

smfh

>>7498480
kanye please leave

>>7498476
afaik u gotta size down

cp produces thru a manufacturer which is held by lvmh
idk about factory conditions, but cps are a solid sneaker.

>all this implying that chinks cannot make good stuff with their hands

check your privileges

>>7498480
>muh italian quality
lel
>but cps are a solid sneaker
that is true, they are solid, but you pay a hell of a lot more for them than you should.

>>7498589
what should you pay for them?
then, when you establish that price, show me sneakers that retail for that price, without sacrificing design integrity.
thanks.

>>7498602
if we exclude all the marketing/designing/HYPE etc the shoe is probably worth maximum like... £60 when it comes to materials and labour etc

but of course if it wasnt so expensive it wouldnt be seen as a luxurious shoe etc but more like a more solid vans equivalent

>>7498602
200 bucks max.
that's for english or us made nb's.


it's a shitty design, but at least i'm not being ripped off by italian jewery

>>7498624
ofc thats not the real cost, it most probably costs like 20 to produce one pair

>>7498630
>200
That's about the upper limit for the made in england variants. I'm okay with this.
I'm pissed at myself for not copping CP's when they were still at reasonable prices a few years ago.
Only on special sales now, and fuck used shoes.

>>7498624
i don't mean to imply that you pulled that number from your ass, but it costs more than that to buy hides.

>>7498630
that's closer, but you don't seem to account for the fact that common projects is a business and does, in fact, have a right to profit from their product.

>>7498641
how much could that much leather cost m8?

answer: not that much

>>7498641
>that's closer, but you don't seem to account for the fact that common projects is a business and does, in fact, have a right to profit from their product.
That's true, I don't deny it. However, I can make a choice as well.

>>7498670
It's true, it doesn't really cost all that much. I think a discussion to that effect has been on here already about the costs of such things (well, I either read it here or on SF)

When i visited italy I stayed with a family and the dad and mom both worked at clothing factories. I visited and it was where they produced rick. Everyone there was Italian, not one china man in sight.

>>7498641
>common projects is a business and does, in fact, have a right to profit from their product.
that's true, but I don't have to fool myself into thinking a made in italy label is worth a damn, it doesn't factor into my decisions but there are plenty of idiots out there that still believe their luxury branded crap is made by grizzled old italian craftsman in little villages on the outskirts of florence
i like the design and idea of cp's, but there are other factors i value besides design

>>7498695
they didnt want to break your poor heart

>>7498695
>rick
Welp there's one anecdotal bit of stuff for rick.
Aren't Cp's made in a factory with some other shoes that are identical? ssvenson? buttero? I can't remember.

Holy shit you fuccbois are stupid
Its common knowledge that a quick google search will till you, its peons on Wikipedia even, that illegal Chinese workers produce "mii" goods.

Made in anywhere is a marketing trick. No matter where you live, no sage, skilled craftsman is ever touching your disposable goods.
The level of qc can be different, but the manufacturing process remains the same.

If any of you 16 year old fuccbois can remember when cps had a $225 msrp you'd realize its a hype shoe based on false notions of "$425 ITALIAN QUALITY, THATS RIGHT"

Mii means illegal Chinese workers
Mia means Mexicans
Mij means Koreans and Chinese factories with a Japanese qc
etc

>>7498711
buttero

>>7498704
they weren't italians but rather africans and north africans - the other scourge of the italian labor force. man i feel for the italian worker.

>>7498710
>If any of you 16 year old fuccbois can remember when cps had a $225 msrp you'd realize its a hype shoe based on false notions of "$425 ITALIAN QUALITY, THATS RIGHT"
I remember, and that's what bothers me. Smart business though on the guys that market this shit, real smart.

>>7498670
this is as good as not replying.

>>7498703
who thinks that? i don't, i never did even when i was interested in buying cps. did you just resort to a stawman in a petty discussion about clothes?
cp's contractor is based in bologna fwiw.

>>7498710
>If any of you 16 year old fuccbois can remember when cps had a $225 msrp you'd realize its a hype shoe based on false notions of "$425 ITALIAN QUALITY, THATS RIGHT"

do you understand the concept of price as a rationing tool? that's a rhetorical question that you don't have to answer because i'm going to take a nap.

>>7498729
Man, I thought buttero had its own factory and tannery and shit. I wonder if they're in that area with all the illegals?

>>7498476
My derbies are TTS. Not sure about sneakers.

>>7498747
>who thinks that?
I don't know if you underestimate how stupid people are and how smart marketing boards are.

>>7498747
>cp's contractor is based in bologna fwiw.
could you please cite the source for that?
fanks

>>7498558
Shut the fuck up. Stupid cunt. Poor immigrants slave away for me, u mad?

>>7498747
>I am wise fashion guru
>I will says things and they are law
>you plens are not worthy of an an explanation

>>7498747
>do you understand the concept of price as a rationing tool?

>not understanding the power of hype

goodgoyim.jpg

which to cop /fa/?

>>7498822
the juice would be the wisest choice

>>7498822
they look gay af man

>>7498797
if you're selling out of your stock too quickly, it's a bad thing. it means you're charging too little and being unproductive. you need to raise your price so that you reach an equilibrium where you sell shoes as close to as quickly as you make them so that you don't waste money renting out empty warehouses or sitting on unsold stock, etc.

>>7498841
seconded

>>7498848
you are gay man

>>7498822
dnt really like those

but if ur set on em beige/white is decent

>>7498867
common projects are not anywhere near the danger of any kind of waste

by your logic you could easily justify pyrex which is the biggest joke

at a certain point the price can rise beyond your standard cost/profit model because of certain, intangible, abstract ideas intertwined with market demand

aka hype

if you place little to no value on hype then the object materially has less value than the msrp

certain goods hold their entire value in hype, ie givenchy tess, pyrex, and such are only appealing to a very particular market

some goods the distinction is not so clear so their value is a bit more in limbo

if you don't want to look like a sufu asian manlet fuccboi cps aren't really worth the $425 tag

you're literally just trying to suck CPs dick and justify the price rise because of hype through physical, tangible means you're projecting onto the company that you can explain to your mommy when she asks why you have $400 leather sneakers

not that there's anything wrong with hype, but you need to know what you're buying. You'll have a hard time justifying hype to anyone who isn't "in" on the hype

>how do i economics

I need advice with all this shit. I really want to cop some low Achilles white, and I know where to get them 40% off but I still don't think I can justify spending that much. I love the design and a lot about them, even how they wear. I would get a clone but I want the same quality of construction and materials to go along with that. Do I wait until I see them for 50%+ off which is a long shot, or cop the 40% off while I still can, which I still don't really want to do? Also, fuck second hand shoes

>>7497693

send me pics of CP's factories and i'll believe you

burden of proof is on you

>>7497631
OP, Just tell'em show you a pic of the CPs... Absolute Bull-in-a-china-store-Shit. I was a little skeptical about it cos I knew CPs werent produced in china and I asked them for a pic, at first, they said they didn't have but after messaging them again they sent some piece of shit I dunno what to call it but definitely not CPs.
Taobao has some but I don't think the quality is the same. (sucks to be a poor/fa/g)

WHY CAN'T SOMEONE MAKE THIS SHOES ( or similar silhouette) IN CANVAS FOR NOT-SO-RICH/FA/GS?

>>7500437

vans and keds are sleek and simple - no shame in wearing them

the shame is when you get cheap leather knockoffs like kent wangs and such

>>7500437
this is probably the best you're gonna get

http://www.schmid.cc/collections/washed-canvas-line

CPs routinely go on ebay for less than $200 good condition too. Less popular models hit sales at like $240 post-season