/fa/ - Fashion

this probably means you're autistic

>>6827207

I don't get it either, but it's a hobby.
Still, 99% of faggots on here look like shit. On a frigging fashion board.

>>6827207
autist

>>6827215
>letting an anime girl explain life to you
autist detected

why do people care about anything other than sleep food and shelter??!?!?

>>6827234
basically gokus wife is explaining that if you want to be taken seriously you should take yourself seriously as well.

then the gundams show up.

its common knowldege anyway, OP is just the type of person who needs to think super deeply about things because he feels that will help him understand the world.

i don't read anime i just saved it cuz its cool and you saved it cuz its cool.

>>6827207
Fashion is much deeper than a desire to dress nice. For many people on this board, it's a means of self-improvement through purchasing items (which speaks to the wider postmodern condition). It affects different people in different ways, but generally unless you're making your clothes by hand yourself, without using fabric you can buy in stores, you are subscribing to a social practice that is centred around creating a personal aesthetic for oneself.
your clothing already have an ascribed social value. Whether you buy $2 cotton Hanes tees or $200 RO silk/modal basics, your clothing sends a message to the world that has become more important than the expression on your face.

>>6827269
>and you saved it cuz its cool.
h-hod do you know wtf????

>>6827215
>there are people this shallow or have actually mastered this level of irony
>>6827219
I'm p close, my doctor recommended i get tested for aspergers. I probably don't actually have it and even if I did I'd probably have a very mild case since I still do fine in social situations more or less.
>>6827228
That's not my point it's just that it seems to be out of all hobbies fashion is probably one of the lowest. Idk, nothing against you guys, I've browsed here before and you guys all seem p nice. It's just one of those things I don't get.

>>6827272
I can understand this, I actually think fashion is p interesting in theory, but I don't get how many people can dedicate so much of their lives to it and be so superficial and shallow regarding fashion too. Like I mean just people that actually judge somone cause they dress sloppy just makes me sick.

>>6827284

lowest according to who? what makes one hobby worse than another?

>>6827311
Ok, looking back at that, that just makes me sound awfully pretentious. It just that fashion seems like a significantly less stimulating hobby than many others. I mean it's cool if people care about fashion but if that's all they care about that's kind of scary. It really more depends on the motives behind the person being interested in fashion. If there into fashion because they want to look hip or whatever that kind of makes me sick. if their into fashion because they like designing stuff or whatever than that seems a lot more noble.

>Gummo

NICE

>>6827307
People are always looking for forms of superiority. If you want to follow Buss' theory of sexual differences, we can assume that guaranteeing the survival of children is the most important "innate" factor here. At one point, it was important for a male to be strong in order to protect his children. Now it's important for him to have money. Women have to show their sexual appeal in order to mate as many times as possible before they expire. Some suggest that we use fashion to show our wealth, our ability to support ourselves, our inclusion in a particular social group, and to attract mates. There are many more layers, but that covers a lot.

>>6827307
>Like I mean just people that actually judge somone cause they dress sloppy just makes me sick.
The only people who do this are entry level plebs, and those people aren't into fashion for fashion, they're just into fashion for status. People who've ascended no longer care that other people don't share their passion.

The idea that people who are into fashion are shallow or superficial is a misconception. Recognizing the importance of appearance and becoming interested in the topic does not mean you are inherently shallow or disregard the importance of other aspects of life.

>>6827307
i just like clothing, i like putting together a nice outfit
if you want to get deeper into it, i find it interesting to think about the signals that clothing choices send out - people have to get dressed every day, why have they chosen what they do? Even if it wasn't a conscious choice, why did they choose to buy what they did?

a half-arsed fashion focused semiotics basically

>>6827355
I really just have a lot of conflicting feelings about it. I mean like I've said it's great is someone thinks fashion is cool and interesting, but if there just following the trends to be cool that's p disgusting. It just seems that in the grand scheme of things it's less important. I mean in like 30 years the popular music and films and video games will probably be looked upon fondly and some of them as great works of art whereas fashion of this time will probably be laughed bout and made fun of like people think the fashion of the 80s and 90s is dumb.

>>6827284
>That's not my point it's just that it seems to be out of all hobbies fashion is probably one of the lowest.

That's such a strange sentence. Can you not understand that everyone has different interests? I can't fathom how someone can not care at all about their clothes, seeing as we wear them every and they have a huge effect on the way people perceive you.

>>6827396
>>6827396
stop it you autistic fuck
you're making blind assumptions

>>6827438
Agreed

Reading your posts it really seems like you actually don't know anything about the hobby. Examine how you feel about fashion given that you really don't know enough about it to even be sure of your own feelings (if you were sure we wouldn't be having this conversation.) It's somewhat ignorant to form an opinion on something if you don't even understand it.

>>6827347

I can't speak for everyone, but I know I like fashion because I really appreciate aesthetics and building an aesthetic around my life.

I pay a lot of attention to details in my clothes, in the decor of my room, and in the media I watch.

Once you immerse yourself in it, It can be an incredibly stimulating and involving. You see a piece of clothing and you can imagine a dozen combinations of outfits, it becomes second nature to analyze whatever you see people wearing on the street, and you learn a lot about them just by the way they present themselves.

Being into fashion, for me at least, isn't just about wearing "hip" clothes, its about cultivating a lifestyle.

I'm guessing the reason it makes you sick is because you find it a vain hobby, and it is in some ways, but I don't see it as any more vain than a bodybuilding hobby or a makeup hobby.

As for the motivations behind it, I think I can say pretty confidently that a lot of us here dream of designing clothes, but it is about as unrealistic as just becoming a professional interior designer. It takes years and years of school and the chances of making a fruitful career out of either profession is slim to none, so instead we buy clothes to build an aesthetic, or buy furniture and paintings to decorate a room.

fashion is like interior decorating, basically

>>6827269
>read anime

>>6827396
Shut the fuck up you blithering retard.

>>6827484
im sorry i mean mangos

i dont read mangos

>>6827396

But thats wrong.

Fashion is constantly recycled. Multiple elements from 80s and 90s fashion are being used in fashion today, even if you aren't aware of it. The ideas you have of 80s and 90s fashion are probably exaggerated concepts you found from movies and other media. Not everyone wore bright neon clothing in the 80s, and not everyone in the 90s had a mullet and cargo shorts.

fashion is as important a cultural artifact as movies or literature

>>6827475
yeah this is pretty accurate
also that pic used to be my laptop wallpaper

>>6827215
cool i have that same image and was gonna post it too in this thread
we shouldnt be buttbuddies yet tho

>>6827501
>Shut the fuck up you blithering retard
>blithering retard
>blithering

>>6827269
I love you starfucks

>>6827608
Yes.

>>6827239
and everyone on /v/ is good at video games,discussion and selection?
nice troll m8

>>6827215
literal autism and not even the meme autism.

>>6827396
>It just seems that in the grand scheme of things it's less important. I mean in like 30 years the popular music and films and video games will probably be looked upon fondly and some of them as great works of art whereas fashion of this time will probably be laughed bout

fashion is a lifestyle, not just the way you dress. people's "hobbies" don't exist in a vacuum. same way people identify as engineers or artists or whatever, it's not like an artist is going to draw and be passionate about value and space and color and then somehow fucking not have any of this transfer. when I catch a train or go for a walk or decide what cereal to eat, it's not an isolated thing, it's all colored by my experiences and values, and whether you are a passionate magic the gathering player or you care about your sikk fades it's all going to influence you.

obviously you don't know anything about fashion, and you don't seem to give a shit either so I"m not really sure why you're here if not just trolling. in the grand scheme of things you sound super uncool, actually, like what the fuck do you even do that makes you better? that gives you your view on the whole thing?

>>6827666
you are supposed to read it from right to left you disgusting transgendered fuck.

>>6827207
which board are you from ?

>>6827396

well for starters the "hilarious 80s fashion" was worn by people not into fashion, i.e. your parents. p much all the big fashion houses put out collections still loved to this day - from yohji to calvin klein. hell, lv is considered plebby now but it's not like it was a label that started out making printed wallets and suddenly people wanted to drop mad dollars on it

>>6827728
Mostly /mu/ and occasionally /tv/

>>6827776

do you play music and are you involved with filmmaking or do you just listen and watch?

>>6827776
well you probably have autism, and furthermore if you've ever posted "tfw no gf" then just know that no girl will ever love you when you dress like a piece of shit

>>6827776
how would you respond if i said anyone listening to anything other than deadmau5,nickelbaack and such shouldnt care about any other artist and that beethoven produced beautiful art but thats where it stops?

>>6827798

I was afraid that by filtering the a-word I would end up mistakenly hiding a bunch of non-spam posts but I've found that even when they're not one word they're still generally pretty shitty, viz people that use the-word-that-really-ought-to-be-bannable-by-now make shitty posts and the exceptions are surprisingly uncommon.

>>6827793
Kind of in between I guess. I've dabbled in making music and filmmaking, never actually really started doing it, but I do have aspirations in both.
>>6827798
>implying I would post tfw no gf
>implying i would even want to know someone shallow enough to not date someone because of their fashion sense
And to think you guys actually had me convinced for 15 minutes that you weren't awful superficial people.

this is just a disguised "btw im a girl thread"

whore

>>6827798
also, I said I'm basically borderline aspergers earlier, and autism is just a retarded buzzword that doesn't actually mean anything. It's really funny though since I essentially have aspergers and i'm still really social compared to most of 4chan. I mean all my friends are autists but there still friends.

>>6827207
Because looking decent and presentable is something everyone should desire.

>>6827835
its not something that I expect you to understand, really. its just, you look like shit so you're only going to attract shit. that's how it goes. enjoy

>>6827845
that's cool, bro

>>6827284

ps i used to hate fashion, but after a couple of years of seeking out amazing music, art, literature, cinema, etc. i just couldn'tkeep ignoring such a huge part of our society and history (and personal expression as well as exploration).

fast fashion is just like fast food, it's not really justifiable in any way and supporting these corporations fucks shit up for everyone in the end. it's run by keeping slaves in third world contries, draining their resources as well as their workers, it fucks up the environment, drives up the prices of every other brand/designer/label, either consuming the smaller ones or destroying them completely, it skews the average westerner's sense of quality to price-ratio.....

ps. posting from an ipad so i cant really read through what i just wrote, please excuse any spelling mistakes or grammatical errors

>>6827885
ipads are the worst for posting here

>>6827835
>awful superficial people

I never understood the whole fashion = superficiality thing.

Let's forget about this whole concept of people like, reading GQ and then buying what they see, because most of my exposure to fashion has been on /fa/ and this whole thing doesn't exist to me.

To me, fashion is no more superficial than painting. It's artistic expression. Organizing an outfit is analogous to creating a work of art, which is why the qualities of a good fit are the same as the qualities of good art; they can convey a message, create discomfort, portray an aesthetic, break expectations, whatever.

For "real" fashion, dressing for the approval of others is pretty much, to me, the same as painting something for other artists to see and critique. It's an element, certainly, but there's nothing ignoble about it. And just like art, you can do whatever the fuck you want but there's still fundamentals that you can learn and break.

I don't know why I'm even making comparisons to art. Fashion IS art. There's probably a bunch of fucks in art school who are doing it for the wrong reasons too, but for some reason it's fashion where the bullshit is the norm to the uninitiated.

>>6827848
No one asked you to dickhole, why don't you go pound sand up your fucking ass instead? You want to go pick a fight? Go beat on your wife. If I wanted any shit out of you, I would have squeezed your head. Instead, feel free to have a Coke and a smile, and shut the fuck up. Fucking asswipe. Cock sucking shithead, starting trouble where none exists. If you don't like it, eat shit and die.

>>6827913

tell me about it.

it's not my ipad by the way, before someone points out the irony of talking about the politics of fashion (because fashion IS politics, claiming to stand outside of this whole circus is not noble or proof of a less superficial personality - most of the time it's ignorance, and claiming ignorance is something to take pride in is sad) while posting from an apple product

i know where you're coming from op, because i used to share your viewpoint long ago. read up a bit, because, for example, if you're a woman, the reason people don't spit on you for wearing trousers is thanks to chanel.

this is something that directly as well as indirectly influences your life.

>>6827986
>an apple product

I don't want to start this argument again but I don't think apple products are necessarily incongrous with the values of fashion. Depends on the specifics though, because there's a lot of mentalities that can be reflected by clothing.

>>6828019
how about good design?
hows that mentality for you?

>>6828019

i'm merely trying to avoid someone going "hy-uck, if you hate corporations so much then why do you support X?" - it's simply impossible to be completely "independent" or "clean", but if you can't take a stand against or at least admit and acknowledge the problems caused by your own behavior, you're, you know, shallow, selfish and superficial.

>>6828059
It's like zizek knowingly drinking coke from disney cups.

>>6827370
>The only people who do this are entry level plebs, and those people aren't into fashion for fashion, they're just into fashion for status. People who've ascended no longer care that other people don't share their passion.

This is a really good point that is sadly not really recognised enough on /fa/ imo
maybe it's just because it's 4chan, but the frequent dismissal of anything different or new from the /fa/ consensus smacks of false senses of superiority

yeah we get it, this person is dressed badly, but y'know, that's not the end of the world, just go about your day

>>6827358
>not realizing this whole thread is a harmony korine JO sesh

>>6828213
harmony forever

no one wears bleached blonde brows like chloë

>>6828134

>first thought you meant the fishing vendor in ratchet
>damaged for life because of this fucking game

>>6828237
or sad crying faces :'(

>>6828223
DAE watch this movie every time they are sad?

>>6828223
i like you a lot more now...

>>6828273

Or sucking dick

>>6828394
there's so much more to The Brown Bunny than that scene. It's a shame more people haven't seen the entire thing

>>6828394
is that a real penis?

>>6828492
it's unsimulated, but please watch the whole movie! It's super-tragic and really beautiful

>>6828522
whats it called?

>>6828524
>The Brown Bunny is a 2003 American independent art house film written, produced and directed by Vincent Gallo about a motorcycle racer on a cross-country drive who is haunted by memories of his former lover.
is it this?
not thanks i just had some girl problems ;_;

>>6827207
I'm not even gonna bother reading the rest of this thread OP, but for me, cultivating style is about becoming my own role model. I used to have a very thoroughly imagined image of who I wanted to be when I grew up and I started dressing well when I realized I could already be that person. There's something that feels extremely protagonistic about being in control of what you look like.

The visual progress is very gratifying. It's helped me become my own role model you know? It feels great. I don't really care about following trends or picking up fashionable girls. Style for me is just about conveying who I want to be. When people see me they already know what kind of people I like up to, who I admire. I look up to myself among others, but myself most importantly.

>>6828223
harmony is so effay

>>6827396
no one cares about the 80s and 90s clothing that you're thinking of. absolutely no one. what we care about is the cutting edge abstraction that started in the late 70s and gained serious momentum in the 80s and 90s, which proved how amorphous the concept of fit is, which changed the rules on how clothing could be constructed and redefined what is a finished garment, and which made monumental leaps in the disciplines of draping and drafting.

dayglo jorts aint shit

>>6828533
>>6828524
Yes, the Chloë Sevigny movie is The Brown Bunny. It's a steady and calm movie for the first two-thirds, the last is a bit of an emotional trip, but it's really well done.

The JGL snapshot is from Mysterious Skin.

>>6828559
I liked the Opening Ceremony x Spring Breakers "Harmony" bracelets but decided on a hoodie instead.

>>6827923
>why don't you go pound sand up your fucking ass instead?

>>6827923

>dat autism

>>6828394
I luv dis mov