/fa/ - Fashion

>>6584409
Shitty censored version

>>6584430

If you really must

http://vimeo.com/17380200

>>6584409
what's your point?

>>6584475

If we're continually gonna dress the same what's the point?

Hipsters don't exist and you're a pleb bullshit muncher if you believe otherwise

>>6584506

>blah blah blah it's all a relative way of deying how geniune someone is blah blah

>>6584499
You can do whatever you want man, you don't have to dress the same

>>6584509
>Implying you can ever actually know to what extent other people ever do or say anything genuinely

Calling someone a hipster is projection of the highest order

>>6584525

>implying I care

I'm using the term to identify a well known stereotype that's prevalent in today's society. I can use other words but at the end of the day you still know what I'm talking about.

looks pretty dated to me

>>6584541
Nah nigga, the stereotype you're talking about is so diffuse and contradictory and all-encompassing that it loses all meaning and explanatory power. It eventually boils down to 'people who do/like things that I don't', and what's that other than a pejorative?

I always thought there was an element of refusing fashion in the hipster look (as silly a concept as that might seem). It was about looking unkempt and like you don't care, and rooted in a certain period of Americana.
And no, they haven't changed all too much, because their idealized American past hasn't either.

>>6584525
>>6584541
>Calling someone a hipster is projection of the highest order
He's right
>“Hipster” is a term co-opted for use as a meaningless pejorative in order to vaguely call someone else’s authenticity into question and, by extension, claim authenticity for oneself. It serves no conversational function and imparts no information, save for indicating the opinions and preferences of the speaker. Meanwhile, a market myth has sprung up around the term, as well as a cultural bogeyman consisting of elusive white 20-somethings who wear certain clothes (but no one will agree on what), listen to certain music (no one can agree on this either), and act a certain way (you’ve probably sensed the pattern on your own). You can’t define what “that kind of behavior or fashion or lifestyle” actually is, nor will you ever be able to. That’s because you don’t use “hipster” to describe an actual group of people, but to describe a fictional stereotype that is an outlet for literally anything that annoys you. The twist, of course, is that if it weren’t for your own insecurities, nothing that a “hipster” could do or wear would ever affect you emotionally. But you are insecure about your own authenticity - “Do I wear what I wear because I want to? Do I listen to my music because I truly like it? I’m certainly not like those filthy hipsters!” - so you project those feelings. Suffice it to say, no one self-identifies as a hipster; the term is always applied to an Other, to separate the authentic Us from the inauthentic, “ironic” Them.
>tl;dr: if you believe hipsters exist, you are a plebeian.

>>6584567

Regardless of what you're saying, you can't deny that you didn't immediately think of young people with interests in the more alternative sides of culture when I said hipster. You got the meaning, it's pointless arguing about semantics because I'm not calling you or anyone else a hipster, I'm merely referring to an archetype.

>>6584626
tl dr but seems true

>>6584638
>young people with interests in the more alternative sides of culture. You got the meaning
actually i have no idea what that means

>>6584638
>more alternative sides of culture

More vague buzzwords

>>6584737
>>6584746

>Being difficult for the sake of being difficult and not talking about the actual questions posed by the thread.

>>6584409
that's implying the dandy warhols were a representative of underground culture at the time.

they sucked then and they suck now.

>>6584775

I'm not referring to the Dandy Warhols in specific, I should clarify, more to the aesthetic of the individuals portrayed in the video

>>6584787
*culturally deaf

>>6584759
man maybe you think i'm conducting some kind of rhetorical kung fu but actually i just have no idea what you're talking about

i don't dress like anyone in your random youtube video and i don't know anyone who does or listens to any music like that. maybe i'm culturally? or maybe a line's being drawn where one doesn't exist

>>6584759
I'm not being difficult, alternative culture means anything outside the mainstream, but that includes classical music, jazz, bluegrass, survivalists, the Westboro Baptist Church and holocaust deniers. It doesn't mean anything meaningful.

>>6584796
the post-jazz-libertarian-Westboro connection. straight out of Orange County