/fa/ - Fashion

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>>6206837
That girl has great nails

Sweatpants, yoga pants, leggings.

Anything that can be yoinked down super easily and thus be awkward as yell to run away in.

that girl has great tits and from what i can tell a nice little pussy

wouldrapeifhadthechance/10

>>6206837
what this is girl is wearing

See-through tops are the biggest no-no

It's not cool, edgy, empowering, etc.

You are going to be the first person a meth head is going to go for for that rape

maybe like a shirt that said "rape me" on it
don't know if that would hold up in court though

>>6206950
it would probably be judged as empowering provocation
smh

>>6206950
It could be a nirvana tee though.


That being said, they're never asking for it.

>>6206960
Or a Nirvana band tee

>>6206969
Homosexual detected

>>6206983
this is for men

>>6207523
>implying women don't wear men's clothe

>>6206975
on a fashion board
OH MY GOD A HOMOSEX GAY FAG
ahaah ur casual as hell /fa/

>>6206939
all those meth-head rapes which take places
thats what women need to worry about
> (protip its not methheads doing most of the raping)

I don't feel bad when a girl gets raped while wearing high heels

the whole purpose of them is to make you deliberately vulnerable, so don't complain about being raped in them

actually I just really hate heels, so anybody who wears them should be raped

I'm a girl btw

>>6208191
flawless logic

>>6208191
butch dyke detected

:)

>>6208214
no I'd just rather not walk around in an unnatural manner based upon some outdated gender role bullshit

refusing to wear heels has never been a problem for me

>>6208233
>gender roll bullshit
hai prodigy

>>6208191
ugly feet detected

>>6208243

she'd rather not gender roll her ankles.

>>6207558
is that asian thing a boy crossdressing is it actually an woman?

My friends and I were having this conversation not too long ago.

We settled on a girl wearing nothing but a thong that says "RAPE ME" and then she goes to a seedy club and slips herself some roofies , promptly passing out in the mens washroom

The feminist of our group got mad and was yelling that that's still not asking for it

>>6208305
its probably a straight guy trying to impress the feminists, nice guy syndrome so hes trying to impress the girls like a child tries to impress its mother in hope for something in return, in this case sex.

>>6208230
lol
this looks like a guy from one of my classes from last semester

no body is asking to be raped
if they were asking to be raped then by definition it would not be rape

What can guys wear that says they should be raped?

>>6208340
in this context, they would be inadvertently "asking for it", perhaps oblivious of their sluttiness

>>6208340
>go outside of sex offenders prison
>wear mini shirt and tube top
>no underwear
>lube up asshole
>pretend to fall over into bush every time somebody walks past exposing vagina and anus
>eventually a freshly released prisoner walks past
>???????????????????
>profit

>>6208346
no you're a fucking pathetic human being if you think that by wearing slutty clothes they are asking to be raped.

>>6208340
what is rape fetish

>>6208346
even if a girl dresses like a whore, it doesn't mean she deserves to be raped
reminds me of women wearing burqas because the men cannot "control their urges"

>>6208361
rape fetish isn't the same thing as actually getting raped

>>6208362
>be rj king tier
>have to wear burka to avoid being raped by females

>>6208370
or is it...

>>6208358
>>6208362

>>6208343
anything posted on /fa/

>>6208376
i was waiting for the white nationalist to make his appearance and take a predictable position on the debate

what was underneath my expectation however was the use of an image macro disanalogy

>>6208376

THIS REALLY DOES ILLUSTRATE THE MAIN ISSUE BEHIND ALL OF THIS FEMINIST BULLSHIT. IF I WERE GOING TO WALK DOWN THE STREET WITH A BAG OF MONEY, YOU CAN BET YOUR ASS I WOULD HAVE ARMED GUARDS HIRED TO PROTECT ME. JUST SO, IF I WERE GOING TO WALK AROUND THE TOWN IN A MINISKIRT AND LOW-CUT TUBE TOP I WOULD WANT AT THE VERY LEAST MY BOYFRIEND WITH ME.

WOMEN HAVE THIS IDEA THAT THEIR VAGINAS SHOULD AT THE SAME TIME BE EXTREMELY DESIRABLE AND COMPLETELY OFF LIMITS. NEWSFLASH! WHEN PEOPLE WANT SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE BADLY ENOUGH, CHANCES ARE THERE ARE A COUPLE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO TRY TO TAKE IT BY FORCE.

SO EITHER START SLEEPING WITH EVERY DUDE WHO WANTS TO GET LAID TO DECREASE THE DEMAND FOR PUSSY, HIRE SOME ARMED GUARDS, NEVER LEAVE THE HOUSE, OR - YOU KNOW - STOP DRESSING LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET YOUR SHIT REAMED.

QED FEMISHITS.

>>6208396
you dont get laid much do you

>>6208402

I HAVE A GIRLFRIEND OF TWO YEARS BUT THANK YOU FOR THE AD HOMINEM ATTACK. THOSE ARE MY FAVORITE!

>>6208396
Caps aren't necessary, no need to get so emotional, bub. The premise is also faulty like everyone else who hasn't actually read any statistics or done some basic research on the issue. Most rape doesn't happen like this

>walking down the street wearing somethin' skimpy
>a wild stranger stalking in the background suddenly pounces on the vulnerable young women!

this is a cartoon scenario people play in their minds that has little correspondence with reality

>>6208402
>you're just saying that because you can't get laid!
gr8 post

>>6208396
>>6208411
damn brother thou furious

>>6208414
what the fuck is happening here

>>6208411
"femshits"
but its cool u can use that word u learnt from the internet pal :))

if you think rape is anyone's fault but the rapist's then you're delusional as fuck holy shit

>>6208431
news story or article or anything?

>>6208402
>>6208414
>>6208421
>top lel

>>6208412

THEN WHY DO FEMINISTS HARP SO HEAVILY ON THE SKIMPY CLOTHES = RAPE ANALYSIS? YOU THINK THIS IS A SCENARIO I'M CONJURING UP OUT OF NOWHERE?

LOL GET REAL. THIS IS A REFUTAL OF ONE ASPECT OF FEMINISM THAT IS PANTS-ON-HEAD RETARDED. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MY OPINION ON ANOTHER, YOU MAY PRESENT IT TO ME

>>6208421
m8 popper out his willy and the bitches didn't like that

>>6208396
>implying that's how the majority of rape cases work in the real world

Ok, anon. Join us any time.

>>6208421
some dude flashed his dick at a feminist rally
"do what you must I've already won"
>>6208422
getting my car stolen isn't anyone's fault but the robber but I still lock the doors when I'm in a sketchy neighborhood

>>6208431
lmao this shit is for real grate laff

>>6208396
so a guy with a nice car deserves to get stabbed because his car is on show?
fuck off

>>6208390

>>6208448
ok but how would you feel if rather than anyone being supportive after your car got stolen in said sketchy neighborhood you just got abuse and ridicule

>>6208450

WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT "DESERVE"? QUALITATIVE LANGUAGE IS THE REALM OF FAGGOTS, QUEERS, AND NINNIES. WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS PROBABILITY AND YOUR PERSONAL ABILITY TO MITIGATE RISK.

IF YOU'RE DRIVING AROUND IN WATTS AT 3AM IN A FERRARI, YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF YOU GET CARJACKED. NOT THAT YOU DESERVE IT, BUT IT'S STILL PRETTY FUCKING DUMB TO BE DOING THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

>>6208439
http://thenewsjunkie.com/man-flashes-feminist-pride-walk-all-hell-breaks-loose/

You messed up your haiku

>>6208459
and the police wouldn't really look into it because you left the car unlocked so it's obviously your fault.

>>6208459
i would deal with the loss without making it sound like a big deal because I know that there were preventative steps I could have taken
alternatively if I was a woman, I would just concealed carry.

>>6208466
>WATTS AT 3AM IN A FERRARI
>implying anyone in watts stays up that late to steal a car
Confirmed for knowing nothing of how the world works

>>6208233

haha oh wow, what a faggot you are. you're not supposed to wear them because you want to fill some fucking gender role, you wear them cause they look great. if i was a grill i would definitely wear high heels.

>>6208459
leave now femanon

>>6208495

>CONFIRMED FOR NEVER HAVING BEEN TO WATTS

DO YOU THINK ALL THE GANGSTERS AND HOOD RATS JUST TO GO SLEEP WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN?

OOPS ITS DARK I BETTER GO TAKE MY ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES IN DOORS I MIGHT GET IN TROUBLE!

>>6208390
>because he's a white nationalist he can never make good points on any subject
>being this fallacious
>2000+26/2

>>6208507
My cousins live in Watts b, my Grandma lives in on Crenshaw. People might be on the corner selling rocks or pimping but nobody is just waiting for a nice car to come by to steal it.

>>6208402
hmm, I wonder what the sex of this poster could be

>>6208513
it's not that white nationalists can't make good points. don't put words in his mouth. he simply doesn't expect them to, with good reason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfMm8bV7zEY

>>6208412
explain this

>>6208507
I love you.

>>6208527
>bush poking out of pants
2/10 would not rape

>>6208527
lmao at pubic hair

>>6208517

COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO'S GOTTEN MUGGED IN WATTS, I'M PRETTY SURE YOU MIGHT CONSIDER A DUDE AT A STOPLIGHT IN A FERRARI A "TARGET OF OPPORTUNITY"

>>6208527
Why can't people differentiate between "lel you were asking for it" and "holy shit why did you put yourself in that situation?"

I wonder how she'd feel if someone walked by and fondled her tits. Like, no, she wasn't asking for it, but she's kinda putting them out in the open.

>>6208540
I'm sure you were asking for it.

>>6208551
who'd want to fondle these shitty tits

>>6208376
Why would I mug a man with monopoly money?

>>6208513
It's actually the disanalogy that is the problem.

>>6208556

YEAH IT WAS REALLY FUCKING DUMB FOR A WHITE BOY TO BE ALONE IN WATTS AT 1AM. I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR PUTTING MYSELF IN THAT SITUATION.

>be grill
>go to club
>get george forman wasted
>go home with some guy
>wake up next morning
>"wahhhh you took advantage of me blah blah fucking blah"
>goes to police station crying rape

Meanwhile, some buisness woman got raped in the parking lot and she's too ashamed to come forward with it.

all in all, people suck, and that makes me terrified to have sex with people I haven't known for 7 years.

>>6208565

I MEAN, IT'D BE NICE IF A WHITE BOY COULD WALK AROUND DRUNK AS FUCK IN NICE CLOTHES WHEREVER HE WANTED WITHOUT FEAR OF HARM, BUT THAT KIND OF THINKING IS ABSTRACT AND PURELY WISHFUL. IF I REALLY WANTED TO CRACK DOWN ON CRIME, I'D PROBABLY BECOME A POLICEMAN OR SOMETHING, BUT THERE'S A DEGREE TO WHICH I'M WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT THAT'S JUST HOW THE WORLD WORKS.

>>6208525
i'm about a minute in and that guy is already assuming nationalism automatically brings about thoughts supremacy
ahahahaeeh

>>6208466
Shut the fuck up. Risk mitigation is something every woman knows about in ways you never will. And no matter how much you try to mask this bullshit in unearned faux-jadedness and tired misdeployments of Hume, it's completely beside the point.

What this is about is women and their allies making a concerted, forceful effort to change the culture's "should," from "women shouldn't wear x, or do y, or ask for it" to "men shouldn't rape." That's the only thing that matters, the only line of thought worth having.

>>6208565

actually yeah, that does sound like a really fucking dumb place to be.

maybe women can play the victim game when they get raped but seriously dude, you're white and male. If you get shot for being in the wrong place at the wrong time noone's going to give a shit and yeah, you do deserve it.

You don't walk through gang territory unless you're with a lot of people and you're strapped, or else you're going to get shot.

Sure, you shouldn't have to, and if i could i'd make it so gangs never had to exist and everywhere was safe, but until then you've got to fucking think and realize that your actions have consequences.

This doesn't belong on /fa/, but I guess mods don't care, so I'll go ahead and tell you all what's up.

>>6208396
When I drive my BMW past the boardwalk, am I asking to get car-jacked?

What everyone seems to be ignoring in this thread is that state of dress correlates poorly with rape. We have few incidents of men raping scantily clad women or raping women because they were scantily clad, but we have many incidents of men insisting that it's alright to rape women if they are scantily clad?

How do you not see the discrepancy here?

>>6208475
>and the police wouldn't really look into it because you left the car unlocked
This isn't true. They would look into it. Whether they would be able to track the car down is another matter, but leaving a car unlocked does not mean police are now going to just laugh it off.

>>6208477
>i would deal with the loss without making it sound like a big deal
Easier said than done.

>>6208565
what is watts

>>6208578
>we have many incidents of men insisting that it's alright to rape women if they are scantily clad?
where?

95% of the time clothing doesnt look like theyre asking to get raped, but the girl in the picture is just absurd

>>6208578
>This isn't true. They would look into it. Whether they would be able to track the car down is another matter, but leaving a car unlocked does not mean police are now going to just laugh it off.

They will NOT look into it. What will happen is that someone will report an abandoned vehicle and it will get towed. And surprise-surprise, that's when you will get notified that your car has been found. Of course, you'll have to pay that fee to get it out.

Do scantily clad woman walking around really just get randomly raped that often?

>>6208582
>where?
How about this thread?

>>6208588
No. Most are "date rapes".

>>6208571
Personal responsibility is factor in this situation, and women should try and avoid situations and circumstances where they know they could potentially be raped. That being said, it doesn't justify the rape if they are in that situation, anymore than the dude who mugged you is justified because of where you were.

>>6208576
Should a lion not eat me if I lay in front of him? Am I not asking to be eaten?
You're asking men to go against their primitive motives, fucking woman that look desirable. Just like I would ask this lion not to devour my fucking face, it's not going to happen.
Stop being a cunt, don't dress like you want to get fucked then, or if you do be prepared for what MIGHT happen.

>>6208592
who said its alright?

>>6208598
>Should a lion not eat me if I lay in front of him?
>comparing men to lions
herewego.jpg

>>6208598
Are you comparing men to lions? Are you saying men should be chained up and muzzled if they want to be near people, or something?

> You kinky bastard.

>>6208601
Everyone who has said that XYZ means a girl is asking to get raped. That's a good chunk of the posts here.

>>6208602
>not comparing natural instincts
You fucking dumb nigger? Go read up on why we fuck.

>>6208595

DING DING DING, SOMEONE FINALLY GOT THE POINT!!!!!!!! MY WORK HERE IS FUCKING DONE.

>>6208576

I'VE SPENT TWO YEARS BOOTS ON THE GROUND IN HOSTILE COUNTRIES FULL OF PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO KILL ME AND MY FRIENDS. I LIKE TO THINK I KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT RISK MITIGATION.

>>6208577

>I DESERVE TO GET SHOT FOR BEING WHITE AND MALE

OK

>>6208578

LOOK, NOBODY IS ARGUING THAT RAPE IS A BAD THING, AND NOBODY "DESERVES" IT. WOMEN DON'T HAVE A MONOPOLY ON CALLOUS REACTION TO MISFORTUNE. THOSE PEOPLE WHO SAY WOMEN DESERVE TO BE RAPED ARE PROBABLY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO SAY I DESERVED TO LOSE MY FOOT, AND NOBODY IS GOING TO CHANGE THEIR ATTITUDE. A LOT OF THE CALLOUSNESS THE FEMINIST MOVEMENT GETS IS PURELY REACTIONARY TO THE WAY IN WHICH THEY PURSUE THEIR AGENDAS - IE, LIKE CRAZY, OBNOXIOUS BITCHES.

PEOPLE FUCKING SUCK, MY MAIN POINT IS WHINING ABOUT IT AND HOLDING "WAAAH PEOPLE ARE MEAN" RALLIES, YOU SHOULD DO WHAT YOU CAN TO AVOID MISFORTUNE RATHER THAN SHIFTING THE BLAME TO OTHER PEOPLE.

THINK OF WHAT YOU PERSONALLY CAN DO RATHER THAN FIGHTING AGAINST SOCIETAL CONSTRUCTS, BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM ARE JUST HUMAN FUCKING NATURE AND YOU'RE FRANKLY NOT GOING TO CHANGE SHIT.

>>6208606
answer the question.

Who specifically said that its alright to rape women?

>>6208602
WAIT.
So he can't compare two natural motives? What sense do you make?

>>6208555
Someone who wants a reaction.

>>6208614
>answer the question.
>Everyone who has said that XYZ means a girl is asking to get raped.

>Who specifically said that its alright to rape women?
Do you really need me to link every single post? Have you not read the thread?

>>6208620
answer the question.

>>6208593

That's what I figured.

My view is, there is no excuse for rape, there is also no excuse for dressing like you want to fuck and then expecting guys not to grab you.

I wouldn't say you're asking to get held down and fucked while you're crying no. But you ARE giving an open invitation for guys to make advances. some of which might be more forward then others.

The guy should stop when you deny his advance undoubtedly, i'm just arguing don't get pissed when you get felt up, it is my belief you are literally asking for that.

>>6208625
Not same dude but, I don't think anyone said ti was OK to rape. People say it happens because of certain choices. Don' make those choices and you avoid a certain risk. Pretty much like everything in life.

>>6208625

Not that anon, but here are some examples...

>>6206929
>>6208346
>>6208598

>>6208631
first one is obviously a joke

>>6208620
Offer one example. You can't just go "WELL THEY'RE EVERYWHERE HAVEN'T YOU BEEN READING THE THREAD?"

>>6208616
>So he can't compare two natural motives?
>le appeal to nature
you're right

we will plant a scantily clad woman into a secluded area with a man or a lion one at a time
we will do this 500 times with both variables to build a good sample size

let's see how many men rape a woman and how many lions attack a woman

>>6208627
THIS.
>dress like a slut
>go to a bar/club
>know that bar/club is where hook ups happen
>get hit on/touched
>cry rape
Bitches be dumb as fuck.

>>6208635

Ah, maybe. I was just skimming. So I guess the other ones aren't, then?

>>6208642
>make no sense
>ok

>>6208648
third one wasn't saying its ok. It said it might happen if you make certain choices.

>>6208648
no one said it was OK to rape a woman.

>>6208648
That or trolls. Regardless, though

>good chunk
>2 posts

>>6208625
I've answered it.

>>6208630
>I don't think anyone said ti was OK to rape.
If someone asks you to take money from them, is it not okay to take it? If someone asks you to take their car, is it not okay to take it? If someone asks you to punch them, is it not okay to punch them?

They ARE saying it's alright.

>>6208640
One is easy enough >>6206901, but you have to be fucking dense if you can't just scroll through the thread and find tons of replies like this.

>>6208598
1) Humans are more than their instincts.
2) Empathy is also a very, very strong instinct. Most men won't rape a woman because they couldn't go through with something so manifestly icky and unsexy.
3) So is self-preservation. If we raise the social and material risks for committing a rape, less men will rape. Blaming the victim lowers those risks.
4) I'm horny as fuck. I'm attracted on some level to at least a large minority of the people I meet and I'm pretty much insatiable. I've never raped someone.

>>6208648
The first one is a joke, the second one is misogyny and not 100% serious and the third one is a very good analogy.

>>6208657

Nah, I'm that anon, I never said that. I'm just replying to /fa/ggots like >>6208656 who imply no one ever says it.

>>6208652
>accuse me of making no sense without explaining why
>ok
it's a less obvious ad hominem really

>>6208656
>very good analogy
top kek

>>6208659
>thinks "asking for it" is literally saying "please rape me" and not a figure of speech

Is English not your native tongue?

>>6208659
>I've answered it.
answer the question

just saying "I've answered it" is not answering it. if is all over this thread, you shouldn't have trouble finding ONE example of someone saying "Its OK to rape women."

>>6208662

Stawmen, anon, you can do better than that! This is almost as bad as /r9k/, almost.

Okay, I'll play along, third was maybe a good analogy. But it's still implies that it's 'natural' to rape women. A funny joke can still be offensive, you know.

>>6208661
1. Humans are still animals though. That will Never. Go. Away.
2-4. Culturally defined and trained rules.

Flip flops short shorts and other things but mostly flip flops. Especially if the girl has pretty feet. Women should have to wear burqas and closed shoes if theyre attractive

>>6208613
You know as little about mitigating a woman's rape risk as Andrea Dworkin knew about CQB. That is, you might have vague and poorly founded assumptions that don't have much to do with and are entirely unhelpful to the other's lived experiences.

The point of the rallies is changing the way people think and talk about rape, which, yes, changes people's actions. Radical social change happens, often quite quickly, and human behavior is very malleable. See: Switzerland vs. the Congo, or Germany in 1912, 1942, and 1972, or how the Western nuclear family collapsed in just over a generation.

>>6206841
>>6206901
>>6206929
>>6206939
>>6206975
>>6208346
>>6208376
>>6208396
>>6208697
I'd include some others, but some seemed more joking and at least one was supposedly by a woman, and I think I said "men" in my post.

>>6208679
I did answer it. I'm sorry that you are so lazy or blind that you can't gather the evidence that is right in front of you when you are the only one that wants it.

>>6208708
answer the question.

>>6208659
No you're wrong. You should use proper scenarios. They would be something like this, if someone left money in front of you is it okay to take. If somone leaves their keys to their car in front of you is it okay to take. If someone is mocking you in your face is it okay to punch them.
Answer is no. Reality is, there's a good chance your money will get taken, a good chance your car will be stolen and a good chance you're going to get the piss beat out of you.
Same applies to rape.
/thread

>>6208669
Apparently it's fine to say someone has implied with their clothes that they are asking to be raped, but "so and so is asking to get raped by wearing X" is not implying that they have approved of the rape in this situation?

>>6208708
>>6208700
You realize that nobody is saying that it is okay to rape women or that they would rape women - Everyone would like to live in a world where anybody can wear and act how they want a feel safe.

Given that it's not the case and there will always be murder, rape, robbery and so on you are naive and "asking for it" if you put yourself in a vulnerable position. You can't sit there and try to change other people, but you can be proactive about keeping yourself safe.

It would be nice if you could walk down back alleys or on streets with no lights or cars and feel safe but it's not like that, so it is in your best interest to be with a group of people instead of putting yourself at risk. Again, nobody is defending rape but rather pointing out that this feminist garbage about how bad men are and that their innate desire to rape is trash and women need to stop expecting everything to be handed to them - Men know that if they walk home alone after a night out they will probably get robbed or beaten so they get a taxi or go with a group of people, you don't see complaining saying that "men should be free to walk home drunk without fear of being robbed".

>>6208696
And they are *social* animals. Their instincts – including *all three* of sex, empathy, and self-preservation – are socially modulated.

So you push to change the society and you change the behavior.

>>6208551
>she's kinda putting them out in the open

nah, the point is that you should never put your hands on somebody else as a way to ascertain power or for personal amusement if you don't know for sure that it's okay with them, and especially so with strangers or acquaintances. why on earth aren't children retaining this basic rule as they grow up? (by the way, i'm using the general "you", not attacking you personally, anon.)

>>6208733
Do you not understand how instincts work? Or how they are programmed into us?

>>6208712
Congratulations, I will be ignoring you after this.

>>6208713
>You should use proper scenarios.
I am. They are saying that someone has expressed a request to be raped by wearing whatever clothing. I am not stupid enough to assume that someone has expressed a request for me to take their money or keys when it is "left in front of me". Although a more apt analogy would be if they were simply holding their keys or money since an orifice will always be attached to the person.

>Reality is, there's a good chance your money will get taken,
No, there isn't.

>a good chance your car will be stolen
No, there isn't.

>a good chance you're going to get the piss beat out of you.
This is the only one that holds any weight, but even then, it varies a lot depending on the atmosphere.

>>6208727
>You realize that nobody is saying that it is okay to rape women or that they would rape women
No, I don't realize that. Maybe they should say what they mean rather than taking the opportunity to dismiss anyone who wears XYZ.

>Everyone would like to live in a world where anybody can wear and act how they want a feel safe.
Let's be honest, we almost can. As said before, state of dress correlates poorly with rape.

>nobody is defending rape
They are, but I'll give you "the majority is not defending rape".

>Men know that if they walk home alone after a night out they will probably get robbed or beaten
Where the fuck do you live?

>>6208746
You are ignorant and naive.

>>6208709

BUT IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE WHILE FEMINISM TEACHES WOMEN A WHOLE SUITE OF USELESS IDEOLOGIES, "CQB" (LOL) TEACHES YOU HOW TO KEEP YOURSELF PHYSICALLY SAFE. I'D SAY I'M WAY MORE QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT WOMEN NOT BEING RAPED THAN ANDREA DWORKIN WAS TO BREACH A DOOR AND CLEAR A ROOM.

AND HOW MALLEABLE HAVE THE OTHER CRIMES OF PASSION PROVEN TO BE THROUGHOUT HISTORY? GO LOOK AT OUR PRISONS AND SEE HOW SUCCESSFULLY WE'VE STAMPED OUT THEFT AND MURDER. SHOULD WE HOLD A MURDER WALK? MAYBE A THEFT RALLY?

>PLEASE STOP STEALING OUR STUFF I KNOW IF WE ALL JUST TALK ABOUT IT EVERYTHING'LL GET BETTER!

PLEASE. YOU'RE KIDDING YOURSELF IF YOU THINK THAT THIS MOVEMENT HAS A BETTER CHANCE OF IRONING OUT A BASIC HUMAN NATURE (RAPE) THAN INFINITELY MORE DRACONIAN SOCIETIES HAVE THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.

FUCK YOUR IRRELEVANT PARALLELS. NAZI GERMANY HAS SHIT TO DO WITH RAPE.

>>6208727
No! Feminists are the ones saying that men aren't bad, that men aren't incorrigible rapists who will forever be raping women who are somehow too something. The rape apologists are the ones who say that men are bad.

>>6208746
How the fuck do the other scenarios not hold weight? What fucking world do you live in?

nevergofullretard.jpg

>>6208746
looks like you've been. you refuse to answer the question. I still have not seen you point out where in this thread anyone is saying it is OK to rape a woman. you keep saying its everywhere but yet you cannot come up with ONE example. just one.

>>6208752
I have never met a feminist who stood for equality opposed to standing for making life better for women.
I have also never met a feminist who didn't hate men and summed up their hate in the word "feminism" so that they could justify it.

You don't want to be equal, you want life to be easy.

>>6208746
>This is the only one that holds any weight, but even then, it varies a lot depending on the atmosphere.
>varies a lot depending on the atmosphere.
This here is the summary of what I have been trying to get through to you. For fucks sake..

>>6208758
not that anon

>>6208697
>>6208642
>>6208627
>>6208598

these guys are legitimising rape
rape is never okay
i'm not saying men can't control themselves
i'm saying men shouldn't rape

>>6208764
hi, i'm a feminist who stands for equality
i think men and women should be equal

>>6208764
Then you must have never met proper feminists then... I think it's kind of sad that people think feminists = Tumblr Social Justice Squad. Yes feminists want to make lives better for women, but by no means they want to make it bad for men. Why do people think that because one person is benefiting, the other can't?

>>6208758

You're so funny, anon.

>>6208764
different anon, but you're full of shit.
the "feminists" you've known either aren't the real deal, or you're grossly misinterpreting what they stand for. feminism is a egalitarian movement at heart, because it also stands to abolish social standings that are hurtful to men (like unjust child support and alimony laws, among other legal imbalances).

>>6208615
Cruise control for the cool.

>>6208750
You do realize women help each other not get raped at ground level, right?

And are you fucking kidding me? Rates of theft and murder are at historical lows across Europe and North America.

The example of Germany is one of a society that had nearly total shifts in morality and politics twice in the space of sixty years. Also, gj not addressing the sexual revolution argument at all.

>>6208777
>>6208780
>>6208781
You say stuff like I've never met real feminists, that you stand for equality and so on.
But then you see this like this >>6208746
where you shut down perfectly logical arguments just so that you can pretend you have a valid argument.
You slam photos like this when it's a perfectly fine analogy, if someone dressed similar to this and put themselves in a vulnerable position they are likely to be robbed.>>6208376

And then lastly you have bands of feminists such as >>6208414 that parade around half naked or in some cases entirely naked then go crazy on a single man for doing the same. He showed less than>>6208527 is showing and yet where's her parade of hate?

>>6208777
You're a fucking uneducated cunt.
>>6208598
This here says that there is a good fucking chance rape is going to happen if you attract it.
>>6208627
Same with this one. Don't look inviting if you aren't prepared for what MIGHT happen. Not that it ALWAYS happens but IT COULD.

See how that works? COULD and MIGHT.

>>6208767
yeah um dude, i don't think people are trying to say that people won't be mugged/raped/stabbed in a dark alley... But people SHOULDN'T be mugged/raped/stabbed in a dark alley. People should be free to take a shortcut down an alleyway without being attacked.

>>6208777
It is a power thing
just as wimin who deny sex to their thristy partners as a power manouver, u know
That is why rape is the most common practice at war and invasion etc.

>>6208811
NO FUCKING SHIT.
Why is everyone in this thread fucking retarded.

>>6208826
A+

For it to be rape they have to unwillingly have sex with someone
If you walk into a club with "rape me" written all over you wouldn't that quality as consensual?

>>6208807
yeah but like someone else said
tumblr misandrists =/= feminists. They may identify as feminists, but so do a lot of people, including me. Originally, feminism was striving for women to have the same rights as men. Women should not have to dress in a certain way to not be raped.

> if someone dressed similar to this and put themselves in a vulnerable position they are likely to be robbed
Yeah, but let's be sensible, it's not really a good comparison is it? But at any rate, people shouldn't be robbed or whatever even if they are walking around with money hanging out of their pockets.

>>6208814
Yes I know rape might or could happen. I'm arguing that it shouldn't.

>>6208824
yeah but denying sex =/= rape

>>6208826
yeah cool idk why we're arguing

>>6208853
if you walked into a club with a shirt that said "kill me" and someone murdered you would that make it okay?

words on a t-shirt aren't the same as consent

>>6208853
Let's say it was. So what? Sexual consent isn't a permanent, irrevocable contract. The shirt's wearer could withdraw it at any instant.

>>6208807

I meant met as in met in flesh and not just bypassed on the Internet. Also, ever heard of vocal minorities? Think of it like the news: there's always a shit tonne of bad things happening and being talked about, but in real, there's always a shit tonne of good things happening too. Except people don't usually talk about that because no dramu = no fun.

> where you shut down perfectly logical arguments just so that you can pretend you have a valid argument.

Many people do that (like certain anons on this thread...) and not just feminists. Silly generalization there.

>>6208748
You are not addressing any points.

>>6208758
>I still have not seen you point out where in this thread anyone is saying it is OK to rape a woman.
>if they're not saying "it is OK to rape a woman" in those exact words, they're not saying it
Yes, while a woman can imply with her clothes that she is asking to be raped, one cannot imply with the statement "she is asking to be raped" that raping her is OK!

>>6208762
>How the fuck do the other scenarios not hold weight?
I have left keys, money, and other valuables in front of people countless times and never had it stolen from me. I've even left some stuff unattended (on accident) and only had a ring stolen once.

>>6208807
>You say stuff like I've never met real feminists, that you stand for equality and so on.
It's funny because I'm not even a feminist.

>You slam photos like this when it's a perfectly fine analogy
>it's a perfectly fine analogy
Wait, you think that's a perfectly fine analogy?

First of all, ask yourself how often you see someone dressed like that (with real money).

Never? That's what I thought. Now ask yourself how walking around with lots of cash in 2013 is comparable to walking around with your own body. You can store your cash in a card. You cannot do that with your vagina.

>>6208862
>>6208893
How is that not a fine analogy? It is exactly the same. I'm not saying that rape is okay I'm saying that you're being naive if you think you can dress however you want and not be targetted because rape is a real thing. You can't wish it away and complain until it goes, but you can protect yourself by thinking forward.

>>6208421
a man walked by not asking to be attacked and was attacked

>>6208913
>How is that not a fine analogy?
I've just told you how.

>It is exactly the same.
I've just told you how it is not the same.

Are you trolling or just this oblivious?

>>6208916
> A man walked by and slapped out his dick.

Fixed it for ya.

>>6208913
well aside from most rape not being connected to how someone's dressed

people should be able to dress how they want and not be subject to abuse of any kind
this is the same principle of people on here complaining about being abused because of how they dress

>>6208934
>most rape not being connected to how someone's dressed

and how do you know this?

>>6208934
That's true, something like 70% is due to opportunity - But then again, like I have said multiple times in this thread: You are naive and ignorant if you think you can walk around at night, alone (perhaps with music in) and not be targetted. You can dream of a world where there is no worry about crime of any kind but the reality is that we do not live in this world so rather than complaining until other people change you could be proactive and protect yourself.

Studies show that people who are targetted are ones with loose hanging hair, music in, ones who are alone, ones in heels and ones with big bags.
So you would think logically that you would walk home without music in, hair in a bun and not wearing heels. You can imagine the opportunity someone has if they are going out with the intent to rape(Read: If they are a criminal, i.e. not an average male) when they see a girl walking(stumbling) home drunk from a club by herself or with 1-2 friends.

Is this getting through? You can't change other people but you CAN protect yourself.

I don't think anybody besides trolls and Muslims think a woman is "asking for it." What people are saying is to use a little discretion and street-smarts, because "tell men not to rape!" doesn't cut it in the real world.

>>6208746
>I've always lived in a nice neighbourhood ergo these things never happen

>>6208973
My neighborhood isn't "nice", and I do sometimes go outside of my own neighborhood, but it's true that I don't live in an abysmal shithole.

>>6208913
Me and my partner has this roleplay-scenario every now and then - construction worker and slut, which goes sort of like this: I sit in the sun, drinking beer while wearing my old work clothes, he walks by wearing shorts and a tanktop. There's quite a bit of stuff in between, but it always ends with me pushing his head down and hammering his tight ass. We both love it and its hot as fuck, but if i were to actually pin you down and shove my cock inside your anus for wearing a tank outside, I doubt you'd say you were asking for it (and neither would i, even though it makes my dick throb thinking about it).

>>6208919
so public indecency warrants physical abuse?...

>>6208989
thats a little gay dude dont you think

Everybody who is arguing this shit should post a fit right now. I bet half of you are from /pol/ and the rest of you from reddit.

fuccbois.

>>6208989
That literally has no relevance to anything and you just wanted to share your story.

>>6208966
I know I can protect myself
I'm a man fyi
I know I can't change other people but I can help to provide (?) a world where rapists are stigmatised rather than the victims

>>6208947
Rape, like the majority of crime, is committed by someone known to the victim
> The most commonly reported victim-offender relationship among victims of the most serious offence types was a partner
>http://www.justice.gov.uk/downloads/statistics/criminal-justice-stats/sexual-offending/sexual-offending-overview-jan-2013.pdf


I'm not arguing that this doesn't happen. I'm arguing that it shouldn't.

>>6208995
It doesn't. Which is why those feminists are wrong. Which is why people who are saying wearing slutty clothes means you want to be raped are wrong.

>be this stupid
How can you not get it holy shit

>>6209019
I agree almost completely, but
>those feminists
is kinda misleading. """feminists""" is a very loaded term that doesn't really tell anyone much

OP here. I feel like a master troll now.

>>6209017
I've been arguing the whole time that you're naive for thinking you can stop it, there will always be crimes. The issue is that people who could be acting proactive about it i.e. keeping themselves safe are instead sitting there complaining waiting for others to change.

I do not agree with rape at all, but it is always going to exist because there will always be people out there. You can't expect other people to change but you can help yourself.

You are wasting your time and you need to change your perspective if you are spending all this time arguing that rape shouldn't happen. Nobody here thinks it should happen, but in the real world it does happen and will keep happening so stop being ignorant and start helping yourself.

>>6209045
Haha, I'm just calling them by what they call themselves. Should I have said those "women"? But that's a loaded term too...

>feminist garbage about how bad men are and their innate desire to rape
>telling women they can't dress how they want because how bad men are and their desire to rape

>everyone would like to live in a world where anybody can wear and act how they want and feel safe
>not letter OTHERS work towards to this
>in fact, trying to work AGAINST them

>>6208431
that photo was so fucking funny already.. I never knew it was for that reason ahahahahaha

>>6209070
>misunderstanding feminism this much

>>6209061

Rape shouldn't happen. I agree that it does happen, but like everyone is saying: it shouldn't. I know rape happens so sure, it's good to be cautious. But is it so much to ask to feel safe? It's one of those things humans need, and it's one of those things some don't have.

Your way of thinking is pessimistic. The water is dirty, that means that it's okay to add shit in it. It was dirty anyways, and it will always stay dirty. It's useless to clean it because people will always throw shit in it.

And then there are the people who are still going to try to clean it. Because is clean water really too much to ask for?

>>6209000
My point was that if i were to pin you down and fuck your cute little butt nobody would claim you were asking for it because you wore a tank/tight tee.

>>6209061
naive/idealistic, two sides of the same coin. I disagree that there will always be crimes.. But for now that doesn't matter. We're essentially agreeing. I'm just trying to help perpetuate an attitude where my mother, my sister, my potential daughter or niece or whoever, doesn't have to live in fear of being raped if they miss the last bus home, y'know?

>>6209062
Well, no, but I'm just pointing it out. At this point, "feminism" refers to such a wide variety of ideologies that it's verging on useless.

>>6209070
I really don't know what point you're trying to make

>>6208412
This. Most rape is more wanting to feel power over someone else

>>6208764
I'm a feminist and i think it goes equality should go both ways. The person making the money should have to pay for the dinner, guys shouldn't have to buy women jewelry, etc.

>>6209085
I was pointing out someone's flaws and forgot to quote the post. So I'm not quite sure how to take your post.

But if you honestly think feminism as a whole is not an equality movement because on angsty college circle jerking and radicals youre hardly better than those who think all Arabs are terrorists

>>6209091
No, you're misunderstanding. The water is dirty so avoid the water, if you have to go in the water then wear a protective outfit that will prevent the water from contacting your skin.

People try to clean it but there will always be more dirty water, more is made constantly and people elsewhere in the world are dirtying water even though you're trying to clean yours, there will always be an equal amount of dirty water.

You're still being naive.

>>6209101
I don't know why you disagree that there will always be crime. I want to live in a world where women don't have to worry about being raped or abused but in reality that isn't on the horizon so in the mean time protect yourself instead of putting yourself in dangerous situations.

>>6209114
Equality is splitting the bill and buying eachother jewellery, you are just like the rest.

Places like Singapore and the Netherlands, while obviously smaller and therefore easier to implement ideals in, show massively reduced rates of crimes, including rape

>>6209121
But if everyone had your ideology and just stayed away from the water, then the water would become total shit. You call it naive, I call it idealistic. I call it pessimistic, you call is realistic.

> I think that's the difference between us. I still have faith in humanity...

>>6209121
I know it isn't on the horizon, and I'd encourage my female relatives and my girlfriend to avoid walking through the sketchy parts of town... But i do think that changing attitudes towards women will help, and y'know, we can all be part of that.

Anyway, I'm going to sleep now.

>>6209135
keep it up
have faith
:)

>>6209135
>I think that's the difference between us. I still have faith in humanity...

Spot on. Just wait till you get a bit older champ, you will be bitter and realistic like the rest of us.

>>6209141
>>6209150

I dread the day I become bitter realistic old person, then. Until then, I guess I'll just enjoy what I can.

> I'm doing that shitty optimistic thing again, ain't I?
> At least >>6209136 sort of agrees...

I think many people's problems with feminism is that the most vocal feminists don't want equality, they want female privilege and generally dislike men for their privilege. Most feminists are pretty reasonable people that don't shove their ideals down people's throats. A similar thing happens with atheists. Many people dislike atheists because they think they are just assholes who like to argue and talk down to religious believers. Most atheists keep their religious views to themselves, at least I do.

>>6209232
Grade A post Anon

>>6209232
wow ur really the voice of reason in this room
do you watch south park too

every action has a reaction. if women dress slutier everything is not going to stay the same. there will be more rapes

>>6208893
>I have left keys, money, and other valuables in front of people countless times and never had it stolen from me. I've even left some stuff unattended (on accident) and only had a ring stolen once.

SO MUCH FUCKING RETARD IN THIS.
>and only had a ring stolen once.
All it fucking takes

Also you know girls go into bars/clubs countless times and the vast majority don't get raped. DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T HAPPEN.
Why are you failing to see the point I'm making...

>>“‘asking’ to get raped?”

You need grow up and realise what you just said.

Y'all are postin' in a troll thread.

This is why this place sucks.

Everyone always falls for this shit.

>>6210412
I think the problem here is people are considering rape as "getting shit faced and waking up pregnant". That is not rape. Rape is forced sex

If you dress and act like a slut then get completely drunk and go home with a guy, you didn't get raped its just as much your fault as it is his

>>6210614
the law considers it rape. That's why I think rape statistics are over-inflated.

>>6210625
if my crust punk sister has taught me anything its that you are wrong

>>6210632
sex with a drunk woman IS rape.

>>6210643
Sex with a drunk man IS rape

>>6210632
care to elaborate?

>>6210632
psot pics of crust sis

>>6210651
yes. but good luck reporting that.

>>6210643

what if im drunk too

is it rape if shes high

>>6210652
won't matter. you are the guy. you're guilty.

yup, its rape if she is high too.

>>6210666
I wouldn't worry about it

it's not like you nerds can even get with drunk bitches #kek

>>6210662
this angers me

>>6210668
drunks bitches are annoying, leave em for the frat boys.

>>6210614
woah woah woah woah

what ridiculous amoral culture did you grow up in?

Rape is the absence of consent. Plain and simple. "She didn't say no cause she was passed out and wearing a short dress" is NOT YES.

Just because a girl goes home with you does not somehow create a binding contract that expresses a clear indication (offer) by her (offeror) of a willingness to be held under the terms communicated by the other party (offeree) to the offeror of unqualified assent to the offer presented. Nor is the absence of a refusal tantamount to 'tacit consent'.

sorry... got bored as I was drafting and checking over a few contracts.

>>6210672
>implying you don't envy the fuck out of frat boys.

>>6210674
I guess I worded it wrong, if two drunk people have sex it is not rape, but both are as responsible as each other

>>6210678
>not at all
Youre implying pretty hard there fellow, calm down or you might break something

>>6210685
brek ur mums bd m8

Y'all need to get your white mail thin cis privileges checked!

>>6210651
no its not sorry m8
sexual assault at best unless your a man having sex with a man
>women can only be charged with rape if they assist in a man on someone else rape

>>6210719
#rekht

thnk of it lk ths
being uncontrolled, not /fa/
getting with drunk women, not inherently /fa/
being in court for rape, not /fa/
being fined, welp how you gonna buy dunks
being in prison, wtf no dunks in prison
therefore don't do sex with women who haven't or aren't in a position to consent

bump

>>6211514
women don't get charged with rape because they can't really rape someone the same way a guy can...

like if you get overpowered + raped by a 140lb girl you are a legit bitch

>>6212671
except they can, are you really this stupid? Forced sex is forced sex.

>>6207523
>implying men can't get raped

>>6209122
You know what i mean, either both people buy eachother shit, or no one gets anything.

>>6212683
How is the woman going to force blood into your dick. She can't FORCE you to get hard fucking idiot!!!!

>>6212877
it doesnt take much to get hard you moron, erections arent something you can control

>>6212884
erections are a sign of wanting sex, there is no arguing against that, it's fucking science.

>>6212877
What if she thrusts a picture of a naked Jessica Alba in your face and makes you stare at it?

>>6212897
>>6212884
>>6212877
you've obviously never heard of viagra, have you

>>6212884
if you have a weak mind, sure. some buddhist meditators have been recorded controlling things people thought were involuntary, like heart rate and body temperature. sexual desire and erections are pretty easy to control over stuff like that. you don't even need meditation or discipline. it's almost entirely a mindgame.

>>6212884
erections can be achieved through proper stimulation not by wanting sex.

>>6213025
nope, if some fat ass starts stroking my dick I won't get hard.

>>6213048
what if she just slobbers all over ur dick and rubs her fat sweaty gooch on it is that not rape

>>6213048
you will whether you want to or not