/fa/ - Fashion

Ah yes, the Vacheron Constantin Air King

A tremendous watch

Love the pattern

>>18079192
Sorry, what I should've said was the Vacheron Constantin Explorer

REMINDER

>>18079201
What about your watch though? Is it part of the trinity?

>>18079206
It’s part of the admiralty

With VC releasing a puke green 3rd gen Overseas, I'd snap that Gen 2 up while you can under 20k. They will be going up.

Is there a visible difference between white gold and steel?

>>18079219
Yeah mostly in reflections though. No average person will be able to tell that your watch is literally made of chocolate.

Fuck white gold, unless it's a Meteorite Pepsi.

>>18079188

Is the bracelet as good as they say?

>>18079201
>watch is called Overseas
>watch has a ship engraved on the back
>lol it reminds me of a ships wheel how crazy is that

>>18079227
Wait that's the vacheron guy?

>>18079188
"You changed your case to honeygold, so what?"
>AND THIS IS TO LUME EVEN FURTHER BEYOND AHHHHHHHHHHH

>>18079231
It's superior to the Gen 3 bracelet in every way except micro adjusts

>>18079235
Yeah and it looks like shit. Where are you sailing it to bro? The Daytona doesn't have tire treads on the bezel edges, why does this

>

I know most of you lads will dismiss it because it's Montblanc but I've been eyeing their Geospheres. They just released the green dial and I have nothing on that color in my collection either.

>>18078831

I hate this clasp so much. It was always crap but the design is exponentially bad as brands like Tudor keep rolling out their own micro ajust clasps.

> Pic related

>>18079304
isn't that model like 8 years old?

>>18079295
The glacier dials look kinda weird in person, try to at least see one in the flesh before doing anything.
The laser-coloured engraved casebacks are tip top though. And their monopusher chronos were nice (RIP)

There’s literally nothing I like from Watches & Wonders this year. Why does everyhing suck now? Is it the jews again?

Thoughts on gold nugget jewelry?

>>18079315
Sorry your poor. Should've bought investment properties when they were cheap now is the time to cash out :)

Is GRAND SEIKO a good choice for a well built watch and as an alternative to ROLEX if you've gotten fucked over by the AD?

>>18079219
White gold is a little shinier and has a slight yellow hue. It's subtle but possible to tell.

>>18079319
You're *

Also how much money you have is in no way related to how the new releases are shit across the board. Even if I were a billionaire they would still look just as shit

>>18079330
No, it's not a status symbol.
Otherwise, it's a watch, so if you mean that by alternative, everything is an alternative to a Rolex, a casio, a seiko, a phone, a pc.

>>18079280
The Royal Oak has its bolts.
The Nautilus has its “ears”.
The Overseas has … a non-functional homage to a different model from 40 years ago.

>>18079295
Looks ok to me.

>>18079330
Buy it if you like it.

>>18079335
fuck man should I rape my local rolex AD's wife to let him know who's boss??

>>18079343
Vacheron has the 222 with one of the most beautiful and original bracelets and a really good looking bezel. For some strange reason they continue to sell the Overseas.

>>18079295
I'm with the other anon, IRL the dial looks cheap, like its printed on paper. Worth finding a store that stocks them just to see it.

>>18079335
Only high end rolexes are status symbols. Widely recognized and expensive.

>>18079330
>if you've gotten fucked over by the AD
how?

>>18079335
I thought Rolexes at this point are the Louis Vuitton of the watch world, everybody who wants one has one because they just save up for it.

>love the way a watch looks in high res photography, great lighting, up close, etc
>see it in person and it looks absolutely puny and unimpressive

this always happens

>>18079330
A Grand Seiko doesn't project wealth and nobody recognizes the Brand if they are not Hobbyists. For everyone else, it's just a Seiko.
But if you don't care about the flex, get one if you like it. I picked up an SBGM221 a while ago and like to wear it as a casual dress watch.

>>18079383
>puny
Either 1
You are brown
Or 2
You have tons of liverspots you fucking boomer

>>18079188
Drunk in the airport lounge lfg

>>18079377
perfectly reasonable to save up for something you can enjoy every day for the rest of your life. within reason of course.

>>18079393
Nice watch, what are you drinking?

Montblanc Heritage GMT in the salmon dial.

Please recommend me a more expensive watch that looks mostly like this. I'm just searching for a very minimalistic design with big numbers, black metallic bands and nothing else. Really can't stand the overly designed bullshit with calendars or whatever

>>18079387
Doesn't the dial look too flat in person?
It sort of seems that way from photos but that could very well be Grand Seiko being absolutely terrible at making their own watches look good in their own promotional material.

>>18079376
You let the salesman fuck your wife and even licked his cum out of her snatch and then he STILL won't give you the allocation you want.

>>18079401
Junghans, Braun, Nomos, you could maybe find some Casios, Citizens and Seikos that are like that as well.

>>18079387
You people need to stop acting like it's still 2010 and GS is still some underground thing known only to weebs. My first time wearing my GS to a work thing I got a comment "is that a grand seiko". Everyone who pays the slightest attention to "menswear" content on the internet has been memed on GS by now. It's not your special weeb secret. Normies also watch anime, play vidya, and watch star wars and star trek. Because it's 2024. None of the stuff you think is obscure nerd shit is obscure anymore, and the nerds are now what used to be the jocks, sorry you had to find out this way.

Anyone ever get used watches off places like marketplace? Considering trying to lowball this person for this Tudor

>>18079239
lumesisters I FEEL INCREDIBLE

>>18079399
Thanks. Pounding mimosas. Too early for any real alcohol

>>18079387
>>18079417
tbհ more than the flex factor I'm questioning the value for money ratio. rolex (retail) nails that sector, extremely good finishing, with amazing looking designs and good bracelets. I'm not so sure about that with other brands such as GS, Omega, etc.

>>18079417
It definitely depends on wealth and status. To a lot of people a Patek or AP also isn't recognizable. For loads of people it's "Apple Watch, Casio, Timex, ROLEX, and Cartier (by virtue of recognizing Cartier generally)"

thoughts?

>>18079442
omega yes, GS it kind of depends. The bracelets arent great which is unfortunate but some of them i think look better on a band anyways. Their non-plain dials are amazing and spring drive is super cool tech. Seeing the smooth sweeping second hand in person is pretty neat if you havent seen it before.

>>18079442
Normies at my firm wear a variety of Omegas. It definitely has cache with people. Probably because Bond and moon watch.
It’s definitely not a brand normal people know, but I see a surprising amount of IWC in recent years.

>>18079480
People are exploring outside the cringey Rolex bubble.
>IWC
>Breitling
>Omega
>JLC
are all going to become popular among normies in due time.

>>18079496
Breitling already is thanks to its quartz models being in the pricerange of the 90s and 2000s normie, and thanks to their sponsoring of various sporting events.
Same with Tag. Every normie who has watched some motorsports knows about Tag since they sponsor everything car related.
Hublot is also pretty well known thanks to every footballer wearing one and once again, sponsoring the World Cup.

>>18079469
kino

Seikobots rollout!

>>18079309
Even the newer GS Evo 9 have that clasp.
In fact, it's the only "Ajustable" clasp Seiko makes across all their collections, beside the 3-positions micro ajsut that some non-GS have (astron, Prospex LX, etc...)

It's pretty embarassing that GS is stuck with the non-ajsutable bracelets.

>>18079499
>>Breitling already is thanks to its quartz models being in the pricerange of the 90s and 2000s normie
Not anymore lol.

When you guys buy "expensive" watch, do you order them directly on the internet or do you go to your dealer to make sure you like them?

>>18079519
Who spends 10k on a Seiko? that's almost more expensive than a sub

>>18079527
Depends what you mean by expensive, if you're going to spend 60k on a Royal Oak you should see it in the real world first

>>18079528
Someone with a huge wrist and little jugement.

>>18079419
This is 38mm, is a women selling it?

>>18079531
I was asking (You)r opinion, Anon.

My rubber strap and timex quartz watch is really light on my wrist. It's a lot easier to wear then my heavy metal watches so my wrist feels a lot more mobile. It's nice to have a break.

>>18079532
>Someone with a huge wrist and little jugement.
If their judgment is poor enough, wrist size is irrelevant. They’ll convince themselves that it’s fine.

>>18079400
Just get a seiko or Tudor. Any gmt in between is cringe

>>18079533
First i should see the watch in the real world, this i would do with any watch that is not a cheap casio

>>18079480
There's omega boutiques in malls. One mall where I live has omega, breitling, and an IWC boutique going in.

>>18079527
Dealer if the price is reasonably similar (like within 15-20%). That isn't the case for most watches I'm in the market for though.

>>18079527
Under 10 I look at videos and pictures and judge the condition of the piece by the pics in the offer.

Above 10 I would never buy virtually, I want to hold and inspect the piece in person, and not in a shithole swap shop.

>>18079527
In person
They look so much better irl than some computer render. Try it on, see how it wears, what you like, what you don't. You can get discounts in person as well. I'll probably never own nor consider a citizen because they're non existent in my country.

>>18079532
>This is 38mm, is a women selling it?
How can you tell? Looks like a dude to me

>>18079528
I would for a nice dial like the white birch. I'm interested to see that new lions mane in person

>Jenni got a tattoo on her arm
Jesus Christ, this is disgusting. Why did she do it? She was perfect...

I HATE BEING A WRISTLET.

To those saying you can get discounts in person, especially seen this said for grand seiko, how are you going about that. Are you just being generally friendly and hope they nock some off or are you trying to bargain by asking for a lower price or saying youve seen this elsewhere for x price which is lower?

>>18079315
Arabs

>>18079558
She's retarded white trash even by German standards. Dumb fucking 69 IQ bitch.

>>18079552
For me I had an other way around experience, I went to wempe to try on a nomos and I was like "that's it?"

I really wanted to like it because I was excited to buy the homos of my dreams but it was such a letdown, for the price of a nomos I got la cebolla gigante which I have enjoyed much more

>>18079560
Let's ask the pontiff
https://youtube.com/watch?v=apFmQKH2UAs

>>18079417
As you are interested in watches, your view might be distorted to a certain degree. The whole watch industry is an underground thing for the broad majority. Most people have very limited brand recognition, they know Rolex or Omega as Luxury watches but don't expect anyone to recognize a Vacheron Constantine or Zenith as an example. In the same way, people know about LV but have no idea about Brioni.

ruhlachads where are we?

some MP in my shithole is getting raped after he got a 20k hublot as a gift from a trafficker

>>18079560
>saying youve seen this elsewhere for x price which is lower
Remember not to bluff

>>18079579
>20k Hublot

He can flip it for 5k lmao

>>18079443
Exactly

>>18079402
I don't think so, but that effect might be caused by the domed crystal.

I wanted to buy a Cartier tank for my mom but... It feels like a ripoff?
Why do people pay so much for a quartz movement?

>>18079582

>>18079594
lmao imagine losing your life because of that ugly fucking Shitlot

>>18079567
Pretty good reason to try in person

>>18079592
Females don't give a shit about mechanical shit. There's nothing wrong with quartz either

>*ting-ting*
>hello effey
>i would like to make an admission
>i like shit watches and look like a schmuk
>*drops mic*

>>18079573
I feel like we're getting into these arbitrary number games where if you slice things one way it looks like watches are mainstream and another way and it looks obscure. It reminds me of those "how delusional are you" dating sites where I put in that I'm looking for a woman of such-and-such an age and height and income, and it says I'm after 0.0015% of the population (delusional, which I freely admit I am, but...), yet, that's like the main kind of woman I run into when I go on an app, so are we including all the 90 year old grandmas in wuhan and the 9 year old school girls in sierra leone because "my demographic" seems a lot more common than statistics would suggest.

>>18079592
Quarz is the way for women unless you want to babysit their watches and wind and set them every day and listen to the fucking bitching about it stopping or not being watertight. FUCK don't give them a Chronograph.

>>18079600
forgot pic

>likes hublot
>goes to jail

Thought ?

>>18079560
I feel like the only real discount is from them marking up the price. It is obvious that every brand site does this. There is the brand site "price" and the price at normal stores...

>>18079608
Not bad. I wanted to hate it because it’s orient but honestly I can’t

>>18079609
>There is the brand site "price" and the price at normal stores...
Ive seen watches that have a piece priced the same as the manufacture site shows, such as pic related. Wish it was a titanium model though and everyone (here at least) says the msrp for these is much too high. On chrono24 i see them for around $6-7k. But not sure youd be able to get a dealer anywhere near that

>>18079569
>you need to bring cash
does this really help?

>>18079616
Retailers pay 3-4% everytime you swipe a card. It sure doesn't hurt.

>>18079615
Have you looked at Sakura ?

>>18079617
Yeah i do know that, i've just never pulled 10k out of an account. I try to keep my checking account lean

>>18079619
Not really, i dont see the nicer dial GS there just the more plain ones. Sakura seems about the same as chrono24 for some of the cheaper heritage models.

>>18079608
Stupid 24 hour subdial. Also its red. Thoughts end there.

>>18079621
There's a new titanium baby birch I've been recently masturbating to.
You don't pay sales tax on foreign sites, but you will pay import taxes

>>18079626
where / when do you pay import taxes, and how do i look up what those would be? I've never bought something so expensive from over seas and even though they said duty and import tax would apply nothing ever happened. But that was just shit like anime statues.

>>18079608
The dial is too busy for my taste, so I'd go for a 2nd. gen. Bambino instead

>>18079635
You pay when it lands in customs through DHL or whoever. You'll have to look up the fee schedule, it's less than sales tax, by a little bit. The main thing going for you is the weak yen vs the USD. I bought something off timepeaks and saved probably 800+ vs buying stateside.

>>18079136
not quite, specifically HungAryan

>The dial is too busy for my taste

>>18079655
I like the big date part
I wish that was more widespread

Fauxtina ;(

Warranty is dumb yeah I am gonna mail my watch to have you tell me it is voided warranty instead of just pay a guy to fix it.

>>18079654
yes?

>>18079527
all ADs in my country offer discount on most models if purchased in store
like 17% off for Omega Sea and Speedmasters

>>18079527
I wouldn’t know how to buy a watch I only know how to use credit cards

>>18079674
I'd prefer to put it on credit and make monthly payments. This is a big purchase.

>>18079674
Give them your credit card, they'll swipe and give it back to you with a free watch

>>18079567
Whats the big onion?

>>18079680
GS

I am too scared to be a single male buying jewelry so I just order mine online.

>>18079680
He's making a ck joke
Trying to, anyway

>>18079659
That's not fauxtina. That's C3. It always has that yellow-greenish tinge. Doxa uses it because it's the brightest color of Superluminova.

>>18079680

>>18079550
10k or 10 dollars? Better be 10k anon...

>>18079316
when it trended in the 80s, the only people who wore it were rednecks and goombahs.
I think it looks ugly on top of that

>>18079469
classy

>>18079517
>RAM truck
>Seiko presage
incongruous

>>18079661
what if you own a watch that is only serviceable by the manufacture

>>18079615
>On chrono24 i see them for around $6-7k. But not sure youd be able to get a dealer anywhere near that

Sure you could. Grand Seiko may be popular online, in terms of engagement, but in terms of actual sales, it's a pretty slow seller.
People who regularly touch grass aren't willing to shell out that much money on "just a Seiko".

Seiko ADs are usually extremely generous with discounts, even for the most popular models. Whoretadello got a screaming deal, something like 3k Euro off his GS, and it had been sitting in the display case for months. And that's supposedly one of the popular models.

>>18079708
interesting, you know if he did cash? Id rather use a card but guess getting cash would be safer. Ive just never been a haggler so not sure how best to get into it other than saying something along the lines of is this really the best price you can do on this or something along those lines.

>>18079704
>what if you own a watch that is only serviceable by the manufacture
That's not usually the problem most people think it is.

Warranties aren't that long Cartier and JLC offer 7 year warranties and that's as long as I've ever heard. Usually it's around 3 years.
The odds that you get a lemon are pretty slim and when something inevitably fails, the watch will be out of warranty anyway.

If you take it in to the AD to get it serviced, you don't have to show the warranty card. They're not going to kick you out.

>>18079711
I was more thinking spring drive I dont think will be serviced anywhere stateside, but 5 years is a pretty long time.

>>18079683
You need to be put on meds

>>18079683
This is the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard. Are you too scared to buy clothing too?

>>18079710
>he did cash?
I can't say for sure, but I assume he did, since he ran a cash business.
There's no real difference these days between cash and card like there used to be.

Haggling isn't hard. I know it's a little awkward at first, because it feels like begging but, believe it or not, most salesmen don't like it either.
Show up with prices you see online and ask
>Can we get our price to something close to this?
And they'll have a price ready. They already know what they can sell it for. If you like the price, accept it, and if you don't, thank them for their time and leave.

>>18079712
Your Grand Seiko will be serviced by the same people that service Seiko 5's. Grand Seiko doesn't have dedicated service centers, even though they claim to.

When buying a Spring Drive, never assume you're going to keep it forever. Sell it before it needs service.

It reminds me of old Ducati, where the 18k mile service was insanely expensive, so every time you found a cheap Ducati, it would have 17k miles on the clock.

>>18079724
Spring drives are very reliable.

>>18079721
>There's no real difference these days between cash and card like there used to be.
I used to work at Visa and i can imagine most businesses would prefer to avoid the fee they get charged from a card, just not sure if that would help more than just that few %, or if they may report less of that income in taxes and such
>Can we get our price to something close to this?
That's good to know. I plan on going to a few stores with a friend this weekend (omega, rolex, some others) but my mind is still on the GS. If i did end up liking something from those other brands it would be harder to bargain as i havent done much looking at what models go for.

>>18079724
>When buying a Spring Drive, never assume you're going to keep it forever. Sell it before it needs service.
This would be my first major watch purchase. It's something i would like to keep for life, isnt that the whole point of paying close to $10k (or more)? Also ive heard spring drive is very reliable, the service recommendation is just to maintain the top performance. Someone high up said on video you can easily go longer like 7-10 years before youd really need to consider servicing. I had to have an old Breitling serviced and it was like $600 but it had sentimental value to it

>>18079683
based ebay chad

well anons i did it, bought the genta cope. will follow up with a collection pic in a bit

>>18079728
>Spring drives are very reliable.
"reliable" doesn't apply to spring drives yet. they simply haven't been around long enough.
something like a rolex 1570, of which there are countless examples running fine for decades without service, is a reliable movement.

the problem with spring drives is when they eventually need service, and they will, it's absurdly expensive and you have to let seiko do it. and seiko's service reputation is dogshit.

>>18079736
Ooh even the date wheel is color matched

>>18079738
>they simply haven't been around long enough.
25 years isn't long enough bro?

>>18079738
They've been around like 30 years.

>>18079738
They're just like a Rolex, when it starts to fuck up, you send it in. There's less moving parts, and they've been around plenty long to prove they're no turd.

>>18079738
The 9R just had its 20 year anniversary. I was at an event for it. That's plenty of time to assess reliability.

>>18079708
>and it had been sitting in the display case for months. And that's supposedly one of the popular models.
GS make and sell something like 5 or 10k watches a year, they're not big by any standard.

>>18079712
They can now repair Spring drive in the states i think. I could be wrong.

>>18079724
Thats justnot true.

>>18079732
>It's something i would like to keep for life
Go for the GS Hi-Beat instead. Spring Drive is what they market to Americans, but the Hi-Beat is where their heart and soul is: proving that they can beat the Swiss at their own game.

Proof: the beautiful Shizukuishi facility they built to celebrate Grand Seiko becoming a standalone brand is dedicated solely to Hi-Beat movements.

Are these high precision quartz movements expensive to service? Like those from Seiko credor. Yes, I'm still thinking about getting one :)

>>18079738
>the problem with spring drives is when they eventually need service, and they will, it's absurdly expensive and you have to let seiko do it. and seiko's service reputation is dogshit.

This is what the Spring Drive fans are missing in your post. Old Swiss companies like JLC will take your old beaters and treat them like museum pieces. Seiko still seems to wonder why anyone would pay to service a watch at all, when you could simply throw it out and buy a new one.

t. Sent my Spring Drive GMT in three times to repair the same issue, eventually to be told it's "in spec". Eventually my dealer allowed me to exchange it for something else.

>>18079752
>Are these high precision quartz movements expensive to service?
No they just throw them out and replace them. Yes, even the "expensive" ones, which don't actually cost that much more than the cheap ones.

>>18079736
collection: 1 genta cope, 2 rolex copes, a gmt cope, and the full lume basedmaster

>>18079739
its color matched and the font matches the rest of the text on the dial. not bad desu

>>18079756
Still expensive? And I suppose with quartz you just leave them there until they stop working/working properly, right?

Anons, any recommendations for watch box from aliexpress or amazon?

>>18079756
You clearly don't know shit.

>>18079752
Standard service still is cleaning and relubricating the moving parts, in total it's cheaper than a mechanical watch.

>>18079760
My gf bought me this and I love it. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Slot-Leather-Watch-Valet-Drawer/dp/B087NJ5V1G/

>>18079761
>>18079762
thanks anons, very kind.
I'm quite convinced of getting one Seiko Credor. I suppose I'll send it for a review after receiving it, anyway to get it checked and cleaned. So need to plan for that cost as well.

>>18079751
I hear such conflicting things about it. I get the hi-beat but the spring drive second hand movement is just cool. Seeing it in person move so fluidly was very satisfying and i think the tech is very interesting. I am torn though. I'm tempted to get a more simple white or blue heritage spring drive and maybe down the line get a nicer dial hi-beat

>>18079768
I've owned both. The smooth Spring Drive second is like the flipping mechanism of a Reverso. It's neat for a minute. While the superior movement finishing of the Hi-Beat (which is also incredibly smooth, by the way) reminds you that you're wearing a piece that was finished by hand.

>>18079752
Something like every 50 years

>>18079758
>collection: 1 genta cope, 2 rolex copes, a gmt cope, and the full lume basedmaster
Neat. Personally, I would replace one (probably the Omega) with a dressy watch. If we're sticking with the cope theme, probably a quartz Cartier Tank or something.

>>18079771
The spring drive is also hand finished though. The spring drive is also more accurate. I get the hi-beat has some better finishing and the movement is more complex but im not sure that matters to me. The spring drive is still a mechanical watch (as in no battery) that is very accurate and durable. It's also much more unique. What really separates hi-beat from any other brands movement?

>>18079777
Very few brands can even pull off a hibeat movement. It's a bit of a fex

>>18079779
what exactly is hibeat movement. What makes it better than getting a datejust or something from omega?

>>18079777
Spring drive is a quartz watch idiot

>>18079781
If you're interested in technology and movements, you'll appreciate the skill and uniqueness. Ultimately, it's whole package that sells you, the movement is just a part of it.

>>18079777
>The spring drive is also hand finished though.
The six-figure Credor Spring Drives are. The standard production ones? Nope. All machine finishing.

>What really separates hi-beat from any other brands movement?
The same reason Seiko prizes the hi-beat. Making a truly accurate, fully mechanical watch. Making Spring Drive accurate is easy. It's programmed into the integrated circuit. The rest is details.
The hi-beat is everything the Swiss do with industrialized movements, but to Japanese standards. They have their own escapement (the Dual Impulse) which is what George Daniels would have done if he'd thought about coaxial a little more. It's thin, it's efficient, it's got a great power reserve, and it's aesthetic.

>>18079782
but its not driving a quartz crystal from a battery that needs servicing. There are no actual electrical components in it just some wound up copper and uses mechanics to generate the needed power

>>18079781
>what exactly is hibeat movement.
5Hz instead of 4Hz. More ticks per second.

It's a mechanical flex because it puts more stress on the movement to run at "higher revs".

>>18079785
Oh it beats at 10 ticks a second or 5hz instead of 4hz or <

>>18079788
It has an integrated circuit in it.
It having no battery doesn't mean it's not quartz.

>>18079786
>it's aesthetic.
indeed

>>18079788
The watch is regulated by the extremely precise vibration of a quartz crystal when an electric current is passed through it.

In a normal quartz watch, the electricity comes from a battery.
In a Spring Drive movement, the electricity comes from mechanical power converted to electricity.

Either way, there's quartz in it.

>>18079779
This is a ridiculous assertion, the reason hi-beat is something of a rarity is that it unwinds the main spring that much faster which is bad for both power reserve and accuracy, the reason its a "flex" is that you need to beef up the whole watch to make it deliver the same accuracy, 36k is WORSE than 21.6, you are actually making the watch shittier for a smoother second hand

>>18079796
>>18079794
>>18079793
>>18079786
>>18079771
>>18079751
how reliable are the hi-beats. Thats another reason i liked the spring drive but i am starting to be convinced. I still wish they had quick adjust bracelets

>>18079794
Faggots need to make those barrels in series. Fuck automatic winders and fuck parallel barrels

>>18079798
>how reliable are the hi-beats
they've been making them since the late 60s and the movement architecture is based on traditional principles.
Any watchmaker can service one.

That's the crazy thing about them. In one way, they're nothing special, but at the same time, they're better than anything, say, Rolex or Omega can make.

>>18079797
>higher frequency is bad for accuracy
Time to stop posting until you sober up.

>>18079808

>>18079808
>yet another reason to get a hi-beat
>appreciation of horology vs anime body pillow

>>18079794
vs
>>18079811
No contest

Hi-beat, flawless victory.

>santos medium with a date at no extra cost
Hate the color though

>>18079816
>Hate the color though
I'll hold off until I actually see it. Sunburst dials never look as good in renders as they do IRL.

Still, though...brown? I dunno about that...

>>18079812
Seriously. If he's going to bother creating a thread of his own, why the fuck doesn't he just stay there? What a pest.

>>18079815
If hi beat has so much more hand finishing and complexity and is better how are they the same price?

>>18079820
It’s the whole “chocolate dial” craze but it looks like nigger-ass pajeet garbage to me

Still, they added a date and it’s still the same thickness.

41days
+3 seconds
https://files.catbox.moe/2p758v.mp4

>>18079700
What do ram truck owners normally wear for watches?

How often is too often to bug the AD about my wait list spot (imaginary)?

>>18079804
it's true though, faster beat rate has pros and cons and the sweet spot is lower than 36k, that's why most higher end watches have settled on a lower beat rate than 36k and watches only really go that high as a novelty. if fast was unconditionally better, why do you think cost-no-object show pieces like the kodo constant force tourbillon don't vibrate at insane speeds? it's because it's not unconditionally better.

>>18079816
Or maybe the dumbass frogs just messed up their website listing cuz the large….doesn’t have a date?

Damn this grand seiko release video is cool. That red gmt is kinda ugly in design overall but the dial color is absolutely stunning.

>>18079823
>If hi beat has so much more hand finishing and complexity and is better how are they the same price?
You'll have to ask the marketing people, since we all know (I hope) that retail price is not always indicative of manufacturing cost.

>>18079829
But, of course, you know that's what makes Seiko's high beat such a flex. It doesn't suffer from the increased wear and lower power reserve typically associated with high-frequency movements. Actually, the lengths Seiko went with the 9S to overcome them is pretty impressive.

Zenith does the same thing, by the way. It's not unique to Seiko

>>18079825
what garbage is he referring to?

>>18079838
>what garbage is he referring to?
If it's not a Rolex or a Patek, it's probably money you threw out the window.

>>18079835
>It doesn't suffer from the increased wear and lower power reserve typically associated with high-frequency movements
surely you must understand that this is just marketing nonsense. putting a bigger and stronger barrel in a high beat watch to give it the same PR as a standard watch could have given the standard watch a higher PR than the average standard watch. it's just that the intentional design compromise they picked was the favor the beat rate, because it's cool

the zenith situation is related to zenith's history with chronographs, having a smaller time increment puts you at an advantage over The Other Guy and any loss of PR is an acceptable tradeoff

I think you have the idea that I think hi beat watches are bad, nothing could be further from the truth. if you want accuracy at all costs get a 9F or one of those citizen wonder quartzes. we're talking about mech watches here so at the end of the day all of this accuracy stuff is just a parlor game, it is not meaningful from a timekeeping perspective because none of these watches are "accurate" in the modern sense of the word

>>18079844
>putting a bigger and stronger barrel
Ah, but Seiko engineered a pair of serially-coupled barrels. With the highly efficient escapement, the strength of the mainspring can be reduced to lessen the load and wear on the pivots and wheels, thereby extending service intervals and reducing running costs for the wearer. Additionally, the barrels are directly geared to each other as opposed to being connected via an additional wheel, further reducing wear.

>>18079800
afaik its two differently sized barrels that complement their torque curves

I was hoping these discussions would help me decide but my lack of knowledge around watch movements and all the variables has only made these choices harder. It is interesting though

>>18079844
>at the end of the day all of this accuracy stuff is just a parlor game,
Yes, my Panerai always seems "pretty close". Close enough is good enough, right?

>>18079853
It shouldn't.
Full quartz is for the budget conscious.
Spring Drive is for weebs.
Hi-beat is for connoisseurs.

>>18079846
>>18079851
that's nice, but none of those improvements depend on there being any particular beat rate. so as with any other mainspring, you stick it on a 21.6 or a 28.8 watch and the 36k loses all its advantages. all you're proving is that in order for a 36k watch to live up to the same accuracy expectations as an ordinary watch, you have to jump through a lot of hoops that you could have done, but didn't need to, for the slower watches

>>18079860
I havent looked at many other brands in person so far though so that could complicate things if i end up liking an omega or rolex or whatever else. Also, i am definitely a weeb. I have a car with a custom plate which reads 'sugoi'

>>18079860
>Spring Drive is for weebs.
I know this is a stereotype, but among the watch collectors I've spoken to in real life, a shocking percentage of Grand Seiko wearers have some sort of anime pin or patch on their backpacks or bring up anime in casual conversation.

>>18079871
GS owner here I can confirm I am a weeb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWMiX95xgys

>>18079736
I like this a lot. Keep the pics coming brother, congrats

>>18079865
But then it wouldn't be a high-beat. The whole point is engineering around the perceived weaknesses. (Remember, at one point, 4Hz was considered high-beat and 3Hz was normal.)
The point is not to make the most boring movement. A Ferarri would probably be a lot more reliable if it just had a 2.0L four-cylinder turbo, but a shrieking V12 makes it interesting.

Chopard makes an 8Hz movement, FFS.

>>18079758
Nice man. I really like the Seamaster and the GP is growing on me.

here's mine. need to get a different bracelet/strap for the 5719 and I think I might move on the Hamilton, already got my lower end shitters covered with my Vostok and SARB

>>18079758
My collection on my $12 watchbox

>>18079879
yeah I know, I'm just taking issue with the person who implied that it's without tradeoffs. it's an entirely different matter for a watch company to pick something that presents a problem, and to do it anyway because it can mitigate the problem. this is all just rube goldberg devices for the wrist. the ridiculousness and jumping through hoops is the point

>>18079860
are all of their hi-beats the same or are some worse (like heritage vs sport vs elegance, etc)

>>18079895
No, their hi-beats are hi-beats. The product line is a function of what case shape they receive.

>>18079900
good to know, so youre really just picking dial/case

>>18079736
Oh look it's the
G P
GIRARD PERREGEAUX

D K
DONKEY KONG

>>18079901
>good to know, so youre really just picking dial/case
yep. sporty style vs dressy style

Why are spring drive expensive? Like why can't they just put them in a 300 dollar seiko?

>tfw will never own gmt master 2 because I'm not a ultra rich

>>18079911
its still a movement with jewels and shit

>>18079911
>Why are spring drive expensive? Like why can't they just put them in a 300 dollar seiko?
Literally just to maintain exclusivity.

>>18079916
Lots of automatic is affordable I am just curious why no hybrid quartz mechanical is out there besides spring drive.

>>18079920
>I am just curious why no hybrid quartz mechanical is out there besides spring drive.
Because no one wants to bother.

The market sees purely mechanical as a luxury and quartz as a poorfag alternative.
Why spend millions developing a hybrid and then further millions convincing the public that, no really, this is better?

What do you get after all that? Some greasy fag with an anime body pillow congratulating you on your purchase? That's not going to boost sales.

>>18079926
So get a hi beat then

>>18079929
Good choice.

Any model you're looking at?

What are some similar watches to the Nomos orion? I'm looking for a nice simple white face dress style watch (although i like the dark blue one too) but i dont really like that this is manual winding.

>>18079935
>muh white birch desu

>>18079936
budget/size preferences

>>18079926
>What do you get after all that? Some greasy fag with an anime body pillow congratulating you on your purchase? That's not going to boost sales.
It seems like a watch that can run without needing to replace batteries would be appealing to a lot of people in the $500 or so range. Spring drive can easily go 10 years without and maintenance, the only alternative is something solar powered

>>18079938
>slgh005
You could do worse.

>>18079940
That's true, but if you take it to the 500 range it stops being premium and just another shitter movement like Seiko Kinetic, from the perspective of the consumer.
Better to keep it exclusive.

>>18079939
Dont have much preferences, i havent tried on the orion but the 38mm seems like its a good size. Price would depend. It prefer it to be less than the Nomos unless youre getting something thats really worth it.

>>18079938
white birch is popular for a reason, it looks really nice in person. I like the SBGJ249 in person a lot too, the light blue and somewhat similar look to the birch is awesome but the gmt inner numbers sort of ruin it for me. Theyre very hard to make out depending on lighting and it would have been better if they just didnt include them

>>18079944
>just another shitter movement
but its not, you get this neat, accurate, somewhat mechanical watch. Your argument seems to hinge entirely on keeping spring drive as being a luxury movement but everyone here shits on it saying its not even close to worth the money so get the hi-beat. They could just make spring drive a lesser tier movement and focus the luxury on hi-beat. They could still have fancier dial and better finish spring drive models that are more expensive too.

>>18079945
Theres a bunch of dressy seiko's which are automatic. Thing is Nomos does pretty well in the price bracket it sits in, especially second hand.
How important is a small seconds and are you adverse to a date window? Do you care if its in house?

>>18079683
This reminds me of when I bought a discount G-Shock at a high end retailer for in store pick-up and they gave me the white glove treatment like I was buying a $20k watch instead of a $150 one. They were overcompensating for confusing me for a courier. I could have probably walked away with some random watch if I had +20 to speech.

>>18079947
>somewhat mechanical
uh, sure

>Your argument seems to hinge entirely
no need to re-type it all. Hi-beat > sproong drive

>>18079949
>How important is a small seconds and are you adverse to a date window? Do you care if its in house?
if by small seconds you mean a separate second dial isnt that kind of what makes a dress watch a dress watch? Date window i usually like but on a dress watch it would just come down to how obtrusive it is. In house is always better but as long as its decent i dont care too much

I am not ready for Grand Seiko instead I have built a collection of Seiko, Islander, Timex, maybe a Casio someday.

my dad inherited all these watches from me. i plan to keep one but im selling the rest. can someone tell me the price of them?

>>18079954
post them. I've been a bit tempted by this presage. I havent seen it in person but i imagine the dial is pretty nice

>>18079955
no but I’ll tell ya to hit your nearest ESL class you dumb fucking retard.

>>18079955
i know most of them need a serious maintenance

>>18079958
as you can guess, English isn't my main language

>>18079953
No that doesn't make it a dress watch. Though it can be neat. A small seconds is a second hand that isn't part of the standard 3 hand stack, like in the Nomos you posted.

I would recommend one of the Seiko Presage models. Some have enamel dials like the spb047 (can be difficult to get for a decent price) others are significantly cheaper with an array of different dials. Theres some fairly good looking ones coming up in june like this spb463. The movement is OK - just OK but the case finishing would be excellent for the money though its a touch over 40mm.
Alternatively some 90's Omega's have rock solid movements and are worth a look-see.

>>18079957
KINO
looks great with different strap too
>US exclusive apparently tho

Based Barton's Bands

>>18079964
I feel like those presages would be very popular if they just got the size under control, but they obviously have more data on what sells than I do so...

>>18079315
You have another couple days

>>18079936
Here's one of Seiko's brands, Credor

>>18079188
What's the best sub 40 mm mogging watch? What you just slap on and say, "hep, yep time to show my true power levels?"

>>18079517
>Big truck
>Porcelain watch
Based

>>18079853
You buy a GS for a spring drive. Your first one at least.

>>18079970
It's only like $350 after tax on amazon too but ive been eying some other purple watches i might want instead and am getting close to buying an actual luxury watch so may hold off. Although it is amazon so free returns if i dont really like it.

>>18079993
these are like $50k minimum arent they...

>>18080029
see now youre just confusing me intentionally i think. That was kind of my thought but theyre pretty expensive for the concessions you make. Also looking more into it i like the silver white birch more than the full white birch and i thought the more silvery one was only hi-beat.

>>18080029
I’d have to look again in person. In videos you can see the tick of a hi beat but it’s almost barely noticeable. I was very satisfied with the super smooth sweep on the spring drive when i saw it but i could see it being like that anon said and it looses its novelty and you just wish you had the higher prestige movement. Are there normal quartz watches with super fluid second hand movements like the spring drive?

>>18080070
Okay it seems that there are no watches with the same fluidity as spring drive. There are cheaper watches that are very close and maybe more or less indistinguishable but nothing that is truly fluid

>>18080070
Accuracy matters. It got +3 in 41 days. Uniqueness also matters im a watch. And there are not many movements out there who can claim they're truly unique.
You can always just get a high beat GS and then a spring drive credor though.
And don't say things that aren't true, the 10 beats per second are very far away from a sweep.
There is a bulova quartz movement that's very Very close though to a spring drive.

https://files.catbox.moe/4bvgap.mp4

>>18080080
Except tuning fork. It's not truly 'stepless' like spring drive but to your eyes it looks perfectly smooth. There's also the seiko 5s21 which uses a quartz movement at 4 beats per second iirc and uses a fluid dampener to smooth out the movement.

Here's a 5S21.

>>18078040
lol You guys are hilarious. I will keep this one. You even drew the turn signals and the rear-view mirror...lol

>>18078382
Last time I did a timestamp, I got banned; the claim was that I was 'spamming', but I was just providing evidence for a troll. Anyway, not again...lol

>>18079527
If I can try it on in person, I always look in person first. Sometimes it's not possible (like with my Citizen, the Zenith pocketwatch, or rare stuff like the Holy Grail). I've ordered all of mine over the internet; some from eBay (before their 'authentication' process was in place) and most from Chrono24 (which I trust as a middle-man).

One thing that is very important is that you don't want to pull the trigger on a watch that is a temporary infatuation. I had cultivated a list of watches for years before buying any of them, which allowed me to 'get it right' the first time. The only mistake was an impulse purchase (i.e. my Seagull 1963). I have struck watches off the list due to not liking them in person (JLC Reverso, most Breitlings, and many of the modern Rolii).

>>18079929
Hi-beat or low-beat, if you have a watchmaker who can regulate it to suit your wearing habits, it'll be accurate if the movement is a good movement to begin with. My 321 is almost 60 years old, and it's my most accurate wristwatch because my watchmaker makes it so. If the movement is a great design or COSC or higher cert, it can compete with a quartz movement. So get the watch you want, and get a watchmaker to regulate it closer to your spec. Hi-beats are cool...I don't own any, but they're cool.

>>18080084
>>18080085
Good to see you man..been a long time. Hope you're well, miss your webms.

>>18080083
the bi beat second movement, which it is there, seems like it would become pretty indistinguishable after owning a spring drive for a week
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qIXM8RfF-c
>There is a bulova quartz movement that's very Very close though to a spring drive.
I did see this and at least in the video it was hard to distinguish. It's also only like $300 but i dont particularly love the design, its just okay

>>18080086
Those are just webms I saved from back when these threads were on /g/. I do have a spaceview though.

>>18080086
Based

>>18080086
>if you have a watchmaker who can regulate it to suit your wearing habits
how do you find a good watchmaker and how much does them regulating it usually cost? I took a vintage movado moonphase to get fixed and he had to replace the movement but the month wasnt turning over properly so i had to bring it back and now he's had it for another month and a half. I get it because its a problem you will only see when the month changes so by necessity you have to wait a month (and this being leap year didnt help) but starting to get a little antsy. Also, not seen the omega drunk since ive been here, whats your favorite (or couple favorite) pieces you own. I wanted an omega since high school but never really settle on a specific one.

>>18080043
>>18080070
>>18080088
At the end of the day, you can't go wrong with either.

>>18080092
You're lucky to have a spaceview, and one that is working well. I gave up trying to get one after starting to do the prelim research on what you need, who can scam you, the battery power issues, etc. It's easier just looking at nice ones that other people own, like yours! The aesthetic is so well thought out...

>>18080093
Good to see you, CredorChad, as always. Are you keeping well?

>>18080097
I was lucky, desu. I live near a big city, so there are lots of watchmakers around, and I could find someone I could trust. He's very old now though, so I don't know what will happen when he croaks. Quite honestly, if I were you, I'd try to find a watchmaker who specializes in what you plan to own. Since I was primarily interested in vintage/ETA/Valjoux, I wanted someone older who had a lot of experience with that. If I was planning to own Coaxial or anything like that, then I'd look for a different watchmaker. Regulating them shouldn't cost much at all, because they won't have to disassemble the movement to do the regulation. So, 20$? Mine might do it for free for me, but I'd still pay him for his time anyway because I like the guy. Something sounds odd though:

>only see when the month changes so by necessity you have to wait a month

No. You just advance the watch until the change and observe...hmmmm....

>Omegadrunk
That's me...and I'm drinking tonight (though not hard...).

>Favorite pieces
All of them, desu; I bought each of them for many reasons (in addition to loving their aesthetic design), but if I were to label one or two favorites, it's my 321 and Holy Grail by far. I'd sell all the others before selling those two...they're just too special. But even the 'lowly' Mark40 is an awesome watch as a daily beater, and served me well for years. It all comes down to what you love, what fits you well (according to YOUR eyes, and not someone else's), and then making sure you maintain it. Which Omega did you have in mind?

>>18079880
Nice trio in the top row.

We live in a Tudor Rolex world and it upsets me for some reason it’s soulless

>>18080111
Eeehh.. Doing fine. Language is getting harder and harder, I actually have to start studying by myself now too. But thanks for asking.
How's everything on your part? Hit me up if you're ever in Japan.

>>18080116
My only problem with that is the dials. They are very bland.

>>18080117
Keep at it; languages can be difficult, but at least you're immersed in it. Things are fine with me, get to relax for a moment. I'll definitely let you know if I'm in your neck of the woods...though at the moment I doubt I'll be there anytime soon. Thank you for the offer though; it would be fun to get some katsu with you.

>>18079911
Research and development took a while and cost some moneyz.

>>18080122
You got that macro pic where the Ω is visible in the middle of the glass?

>>18080102
>>18080111
>No. You just advance the watch until the change and observe...hmmmm....
well it seemed like it was working but when i set the moonphase i accidentaly changed a bunch of date stuff and i couldnt find any manual and the only way for me to get it back to the right month, day, and date was to just go all the way through the calendar. End of feb i had called him as it had been 2-3 weeks since i brought it back in and he sounded like he got it right but wanted to see if it handled the leapyear right and didnt call back since. I chose him because he had good reviews on gmaps and everyone said he did a good job at a very fair price.

>Which Omega did you have in mind?
honestly dont remember what it was that made me interested in the first. I kind of like the seamaster or maybe the speedmaster moonwatch. The world timer is cool but might be busy for my tastes i hope to see it in person this weekend

>>18079938
There are other birches out there, black, green, blue...

>>18080128
the black doesnt catch the light the same. Havent seen the green but their blue dials are all nice.

>>18080132
Speaking of blue

>>18080126
Of course!

>>18080127
Got it...Sorry about that, I didn't know it was a perpetual calendar; those have their own specific problems, especially if the date is advanced accidentally or incorrectly.

Sorry, will write more soon. Gotta run for a moment.

>>18079814
what specific model is this? I thought spring drive only game in the white white birch and not the silver shite birch whish this looks like which is much better. Or maybe that is the white white and its just the picture

>>18080140
>that pic
Hωly BAΣEΔ

>>18080141
The slga009. Like every watch, it looks much better IRL. At some angles, it might even look completely white.
There are quite a few small differences between the slgh005 and the slga009 btw. The date window is bigger on the 009, the crown is much prettier in my opinion, too. And the second markers are also different. And another small thing is that, on the 005 (high beat) to the right of the date window, there is a weird black line. They removed it for the 009.
The 005 is very loud, love the dial though but it's just too much for my taste. What's not debatable though is that the 9S movement in it looks a lot better.

But again, you can't go wrong with either.

>>18080146
>>18080141
When I say it's "too loud" I mean that, the very bright dial takes away from how masterfully black polished the markers are. The jump out more on the slga009 (pic is 009)

>>18080146
The line in question. Don't know why or how, but once I saw it I couldn't unsee it.

Hoped this info helped you decide.
Pic is my friends slgh005.
One last advice (or opinion), if you want a traditional mechanical watch, get a GS high beat, if you want a more dressy watch then get a credor spring drive.

>>18079188
>seiko alpinist
>sinn 556
>tudor black bay (before they nerfed it)
>longines conquest (before they nerfed it)
>omega aqua terra
>patek philippe nautilus
Recommend me so "overbuilt/water resistance above average" sports watches I don't already know about. Something halfway between sports watch and diver. This is *my* watch genre, what are my options?

>>18080153
do you have a picture of this front the front?

>>18079188
Which one should I get?

>>18080127
Sorry, back again.

I can understand if he wanted to wait to make sure the leap year was set correctly; if it wasn't, he might have to reset everything and cycle it through one more time. Hopefully it'll be okay....if you're worried, try calling him up. I don't think he'll be upset if you do; he'll be able to fill you in on how things are going. It's always good to have a friendly relationship with your watchmaker...

Re: Omega. The world timer looks great in person, but it is worth trying it on (as it's on the large size for modern watches). There's a lot of variety for Omega, and their vintage pieces can be excellent if you go with the usual suspects. If you go Co-Axial, just be aware that the only independents who should service them are ones who are Omega certified. Co-axials can be finicky regarding lubricants, so you want an independent who has undergone the training for it. If not, service with Omega directly. For vintages, the only challenge can be getting parts if the watch is obscure. Fwiw, I ended up with Omegas mainly because the design line speaks to me. I love the lyre lugs, I love the proportions on the dial, and I generally love the feel of them. It all works for me. By comparison, other companies all have problems; Zenith looks out of proportion on the dial, Rolex is illegible, Breguet has too much dead space, Breitling is squished together in modern iterations, etc. Everyone has their preferences, of course. Finally: Omega has stopped selling their parts to independents who do not have an Omega Parts Account. Of course, only watchmakers who have undergone the training are able to have a Parts Account...hence. It's a closed system, like Rolex, Zenith, and an increasing number of other brands.

Anyway, buy what you love, and to hell with the rest!

>>18080142
Your macro shots are great too! It gives us a chance to enjoy the polishing as well as the detail of the dial.

>>18080158

>>18080165
>It's always good to have a friendly relationship with your watchmaker...
It's more laziness and i dont really like talking on the phone but i plan to if i dont hear from him pretty soon.

>Breitling is squished together in modern iterations
I definitely agree with that. I have this inherited aerospace and it looks way better than the new ones i think, even if i dont love gold two tone. I do think i may end up missing the rotating bezel of a dive watch as i use that somewhat regularly for things like working out, cooking, setting what time i started drinking, etc. But dive watches i feel like look to samey (which is partially why i like the seamaster as it has a nice dial)

>>18080157
>Nautilus
>SEAMASTER Aqua Terra
>Black BAY
Those were definitely intended as light divers.

>>18080171

>>18080169
EXACTLY. Tougher than the rest but don't look overly out of place under a suit cuff. Except for the nautilus, these are the watches I like. Are there more that I'm unaware of?

>>18080167
Well, I'd say if it's bothering you, then call him. Every day without your watch is a day without your watch...you know what I mean? It's a nice perpetual calendar, and if you're used to using it daily, then I'm sure you miss it.

The Aerospace looks great in your pic, and due to the brushed finish, the two-tone looks subtle. Is it two-tone on titanium? Looks so in the pic...anyway, it isn't gaudy, at least to my eyes. I understand what you mean about dive watches looking the same. I agree that they do, which is why I ended up with the 2254.50. For me it will always stand out due to the combination of milspec big triangle along with wave dial and lyre lugs (which are more refined). I do love divers in general, and there's a lot of variety. Hell, there's nothing wrong with considering something like Doxa or Panerai if you want something that looks unique.

You could go on the dressy side too...so many to choose from, and many of them lose value hard on the secondary market that you can get great deals for high quality pieces. Just a thought.

>>18080167
One last thought about divers; the reason I ended up with 2 of them is because the 2599.80 was the first one Omega produced that allowed the owner to use the pushers for the chronograph at depth. It's built like a tank, and is my 'Zombie Apocalypse' watch. If you want to time things underwater, that's a great value watch in today's world (I think you can get them as low as around 2k). Also; now it's clear why that model had skele-hands...it's for the subdials, and was a design line that carried through to the non-chronograph Bond 2531.80.

>>18080088
I stopped watching after the 3rd voice crack. What's his ultimate conclusion?

>>18080175
yeah its the titanium. The moonphase was only just found in a box so its inherited too, so its not like i ever really wore it which is why it hasnt been too pressing to me

>>18080180
i was watching with the sound off, was only using for the video comparison just not going to bother making a webm of it

Citizen Eco-Drive on the wrist today.
What are you wearing, frens?

How does the whole process for buying a watch at a dealer go?
Like, you go inside, you try it, you pay and you get the fuck out with the watch?
How do you pay for it if the price exceeds your debit card limit?

>>18080208
Good ol' shitter

>>18080209
im also curious, do they usually have a floor specific model? If youre spending 10k i feel like id want one no one has tried on or anything before

>>18080215
I guess they have exhibition models or something.

>>18080157
Obviously any rolex with an oyster case. Screw-down crown and 100m WR

>>18080167
>I have this inherited aerospace and it looks way better than the new ones i think
100% true.

>>18079815
Yeah, but the spring drive has that smooth sweep.
It's almost magical to see irl.

so is it too much or... too little?

>>18080215
>>18080216
Some do, though that's more often window models without movements inside.
Otherwise, getting stocks from certain brands is so difficult, it's impossible to even afford a model you'd keep strictly for display.
So it kind of depends on the price.
If it's sub-1500e, depending on the store then they will have display models and boxed stock.
If it's above 1500 then there is a 90% chance someone else tried the watch on.
If it's above 10 000, that jumps to 100% because no one will sacrifice the profit margin on that on the off chance you will sell enough identical models (if you can even get identical models allocated to your store) to make up for the purchase price of the display model.
>t. works in a Panerai, JLC, Longines, Tissot, Oris, formerly Ebel and Blancpain AD

>>18080248
So, I'm actually getting cucked buying a used watch for the price of a new one at the store?

>>18080251
If by "used" you mean "worn for a grand total of 10 minutes" then I guess so.

>>18080209
Please respond.

>>18080209
>>18080253
You've never bought something at a store before?

>>18080254
I want to read Anons' experiences, I've never bought an expensive watch at a store.

black dials are the worst choice

so bland and boring, might as well not wear a watch in the first place

fite me

>>18080208
my al-penis

>>18080269
Arupinisuto

>>18080262
Well if you’re comfortable with the price and you want the watch that’s exactly what you do. They might not have the watch in the store so you’ll have to wait for a shipment from the manufacturer and make a down payment, maybe 30% of the price or so.

>>18080252
>she only had bad sex! It was one time! She was 16!

>>18080209
> How do you pay for it if the price exceeds your debit card limit?
Usually if you want something you don’t have the money for outright you use credit (a loan), like when you buy a house. But i personally wouldn’t buy a watch with credit

>>18080281
Maybe I misunderstood you, you should increase your debit card limit. Ask your bank.

>>18080280
>this car isn't new, you allowed someone else to do a 15 minute test drive, it has 5km on the counter, I demand you apply second-hand prices!
What do you expect, that stores don't allow you to try a watch on to see if it even sits right on your wrist before purchasing it?

>>18080281
>>18080283
I have the money and I hate loans.
But yeah, the monthly limit on my card is 2,4k and I can increase to 3,4k. I guess I could go above by calling my bank, but fuck, they'll definitely ask me why, and I don't want to explain myself, it's fucking embarassing.
I know, it's stupid, it's my money, I should feel free to spend it however I want, but I can't help it.

>>18080278
That kind of suck. The dealer is a 45 minutes drive away, if I make the way there, I'm expecting to leave the place with the watch.

>>18079333
Ignore the faggot.

Price does not mean quality.
Buddy of mine got a Porsche. Paid less than $10k for it, why? His uncle wanted rid of it and is rich.

But according to internet keyboard warriors "cars under $10k , watch under $10k your a peasant" meanwhile most of these doosh bags either inherited their money or are outright lying to stranger online. I'm middle class and don't give a shit who knows it, I have nothing to prove particularly to some faggots online.

>>18080299
> I don't want to explain myself
Just tell the bank you want to make a purchase with your debit card, they should just increase limit no problem
> The dealer is a 45 minutes drive away
Call them and ask if they have it in store.

NEW THREAD FAGGOTS
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>>18080299
Sometimes you can change debit card limits yourself if you have online banking

>>18079955
Nobody will buy them, best just give them away.

>>18080159
Black

>>18080246
Meh, they should have left the barrel clear of any markings. Getting it to chronometer spec is admirable though.

>>18080299
How about you go to the bank and take out as much cash as you need?

>>18080252
>>18080248
If thats the case i would be inspecting the watch very closely for any sign of issues from others trying it on. If they have something around $10k that theyve had for months it may have been handled by dozens of people at least. In that case it starts to make more sense to go to chrono24 and get one in used condition unless theyre going to be giving you a nice discount. Also, do warranties start from the date of sale or from manufacture date? A GS with 5 year warranty sounds great unless you find out it was sitting in an AD for a year and that time counted.

>>18080208
>2254.50
Got this Titanium Seiko last week after seeing some pictures online and am very happy with it. Love the dial, the green and gold really works for me. Funny enough it took the place of the Citizen Eco-Drive that I was wearing for a bit before that.