/fa/ - Fashion

>>17545840
>after literal years of searching op realizes people don't give a shit about or like milsurp anymore

>>17545840
Nice reddit jacket

>>17545840
Nice!
Probably not the best in the grand scheme of things, but I got a rothco m 65 just a few days ago and have been mostly liking it. big for its size, like it should be, but kinda wish there was something between medium and small. But really like it as outerwear. Light canvas material feels nice and rugged and decently environment resistant, really like the zip away hoodie, and the length going slightly past the butt is great too. with the insulating layer its very versatile, can take it out and its great for even warmer stuff.

One thing is the cuff velcro doesnt have enough room to actually sinch tightly to my wrists, so its kinda pointless there.

>>17545840
How's it fit? I got a small authentic m-65 and I'm a medium usually, but it's still too big on me.

>>17545844
audible kek
I like (you)

>>17545843
>caring about trends

>>17545854
how big we talking?
big as in "oh no, I can fit a midlayer like a puffer under it comfortably!" or
"Oh no I can fit a sweater a sweatshirt, and a puffer under it confortably!

>>17545840
shoulda got the flektarn
it has more soul

>>17545840
dont the originals have free droping pockets like ballzacks?

>>17545854
Haven't received it yet but if anything like my normal one then definitely huge but not quite oversized. Beggars can't be choosers especially when they regularly sell for $200

>>17545840
I thrifted an m81 woodland m65 from the 90s for like $10. The guy had it tailored to add a little rain hood that’s zipped away inside the collar.

>>17545859
My flecktarn parka is actually nicer than the m65 in every way.


The best Milsurp jacket I have is a Kenyan paratrooper Denison smock. It was made in 1975 and my Dad smuggled it out of the country which is a 20 year prison sentence if caught. Super comfy and hard to find.

Also for anyone wondering the difference with the 1st pattern is no epaulets and its made of 100% cotton

going to see alot of military clothes on the second hand market

>>17545840
w2c

>>17545888
I used ebay set filters to show new listing and don't search for m65 because that means they did research and it won't be priced cheap. Search for army jacket and they come up frequently not many 1st patterns but some old 60s ones can be had for very very cheap im retired from it now so you can all steal my hustle

>>17545855
this is the fashion board you dumb mongrel
of course we care about trends

>>17545851
got one not long ago too. Cut off the interior hood because there really is no real use for it in the context of normal wear. Also heavily leaning to cutting off the shouldertabs. It's a bit long for the size, got myself an S though i'm a 48-50 which is still ok width-wise but quite long despite me being 5'9. Got it in OD and regret it a little since it's such a basic color and i can't really think what colors to match with it. Should've gotten a navy blue or brown one instead

>>17546635
also im not intending to wear the "insulation" at all, the originals have it fine but this one is pure plastic and doesn't breathe at all. Fine with a hoodie+outer layer

>>17545840
M65 jackets from milsurp or cheap military supply are pure trash. Bad fabric and sizing are for short chinaman.
I wasted alot of money for cheap m65 jackets in 2 colors, should've just bought one.

I bought one of these planning to make alterations including bleaching and dyeing it but it was super resistant to both. Is milsurp made of some kind of retard strength cotton?

>>17546927
I believe they are 50% nylon might be why. Although I've seen them dyed black so its possible

is it inappropriate to wear my great grandfathers WW2 M-43 Field Jacket? It has his rank on the shoulders & his name above the left chest pocket. I don't have any intentions of pretending to be apart of the military for any sort of gain. Just want to honor his legacy

>>17547025
jesus christ

>>17547027
wat

>>17547025
Its so old I doubt anybody cares but personally I wouldn't

>>17547025
As long as you aren't some kind of libtard fuck, the bubs won't give you any trouble.

>>17547025
Go for it. I'm wearing my grandfathers WW2 Hugo Boss coat frequently when going to more formal events.

>>17545840
Where did you find it?

>>17547104
>>17545894

>>17547025
Acceptable, though i wouldnt wear it due to the age but a good repro instead

>>17545840
im looking for that same jacket fucking a ur blowing my shit up pls tell me out to get it im so reddit its all i want

>>17548940
what's the specific difference when compared to a 2nd pattern M65?

>>17548940
Grailed, depop,

>>17549230
The only notable difference is that the first pattern has no epaulets.

>>17549298
why not buy a 2nd pattern and remove them yourself

>>17547025
I dunno about the USA but in my country it's illegal to wear rank on military clothes if they're not yours.
That being said I doubt anyone with half a brain would think a young dude is a WW2 veteran.

>>17548940
If you have money there are always a couple availiable otherwise patience and luck

>>17549350
The epaulettes are sewn in under the shoulder seams and can't simply be cut out, you'd probably need a tailor to remove them without ruining the jacket

>>17550223
Indeed, i own one and will do exactly that in the near future. Just need to cut two lines of stitching, unwind the thread, take off epaulettes, sew back together. The lining is attached in just a few places so it's really easy to get to them from the inside as well

>>17550633
Also the zippers are really "out there" on the jacket so it's equally as easy to take them off and replace with aluminium instead of brass. Especially easy on the front zipper where the material is sewn right on without anything overlapping

>>17545854
holy shit the sizes on m65s are a joke.
i bought a medium and it was a literal dress on me, it went down past my knees.
i then returned it and got a small, its a smidge too big for me. it would still be way too long on me, but I kinda loosely tuck it into my jeans.
i'm 175cm and 70kg
the fucked up thing is, most soldiers are like 5'6 especially in the 50s when men were shorter, so who the fuck needed the mediums & larges back then? the smalls would be too big for the average trooper from 1950

these jackets are kino as fuck, i dont care if people say theyre shit. i wear mine literally every day. i got black so I look like a swat badass instead of one of those green ones that are popular

>>17551343
you fucking retard, the smallest m65 size is made for 4'11 midgets, do your fucking research

>>17551343
basically most M65s not made by original manufacturers have weird sizes. Not to mention that first of all the M65 is a field jacket i.e. loose to fit in layers

>>17545840
this jacket reminds me of the one travis bickle wears

>>17551343
It's designed to be worn over 3+ layers for survival in -50C temperatures, the large fit provides space for ventilation so you don't overheat and allows complete freedom of movement.

There are also short, regular and long variants to account for how vertically challenged the owner is.

Please don't wear surp boys. I was into it for a bit, and in my hometown you'd see people wearing surplus kit all the time. However after 4 years in the army I can't stand the sight of that shit. Army clothing serves to promote unity and order (symbolically) and its also usually designed to min-max some aspects of your performance while wearing it. Maybe its lightweight or insulating or moisture wicking. But it doesnt fundamentally change you and you can easily find civilian clothing with superior waterpoof, insulating, wicking, etc properties.

Usually people seem to wear it for symbolic purposes; they desire the attainment of virtues that they associate with the military in general. However wearing/ attaining a symbol for something doesn't make you that thing, so back in Victoria, Canada where I'd see ppl wearing surp they'd usually be pathetic shitbag looking people. People who desire beauty, pedigree, physical prowess, maturity, authority, and spiritual strength and discipline.

It could also betray a negative psychological state. When you're struggling in your day-to-day affairs and forced into adopting an attitude of combativeness and aggression, you'll project that onto the world around you and perceive the prevailing culture as characterized by conflict and disorder. Which leads you to lean into the warrior archetype, such to ensure success in spite of your unfavorable surroundings. This would be why some guys buy a million guns that they don't need and why college kids might wear tactical pants or combat boots

wearing surp is full diogenes-mode

>>17551774
>they desire the attainment of virtues that they associate with the military in general.
The M-65 is the exact opposite of this, it represents waste and gross incompetence on the part of the military on top of all the evil associated with the Vietnam war, imagine issuing a 100% cotton sponge that takes 5 days to dry (in the millions) for a theatre where it rains all day every third day. Imagine ordering a nylon liner to go with every single one of these and just dumping them in a warehouse and not even issuing them, more civillians got use out of these jackets than soldiers ever did.

Wearing the military's waste to serve as a walking reminder of its failure and lack of virtue is very /fa/ and the M-65 is inherently a protest jacket due to its place in history.

>>17545840
I wore mine today with a white collared shirt underneath, pure sex. Careful though, you'll look like a crackhead if you're not built like a tank.

>>17551859
interesting take desu. Not sure I fully agree with you because I don't personally find the M-65 super aesthetic in addition to what you've said, but there's definitely some potential there

>>17551859
They werent even wearing M65s in Vietnam exactly due to moisture and heat. "Only" as a layer in post-monsoon colder times. It wasnt designed for Vietnam either but as continuation to the M51 - could've been sent to europe against soviets potentially.

>>17551774
wtf you are a sperg and a pseud.

Its a jack of all trades master of none thing made as a middle ground of price, general utility, and mass production for troops that might be anywear. My dad and all his friends, in and out of the military, all had them because they were cheap practical outdoors jackets when you go in the woods. And the various reasons people wear them in civilian contexts blossoms any which way out from that. Its a half rugged biker jacket if waxed/coated, good to take multiple liners if you are a trucker going up and down the coast, pretty non descript if you are going understated, rugged, etc. Did you somehow just forget how a good part of clothing in general comes from military stuff anyways? Duffle coats, bomber jackets, great coat, etc. The things you mention can be a reason why someone would were the stuff, sure, but its just one of many, and regardless you can find ty-hard reasons why anyone would go out of their way to wear anything, so it seems pretty moot and armchair psychologist to try to pinpoint specifics.

>>17551859
Anon, the M-65 was not worn by anybody in Vietnam during patrols. It was issued in the Vietnam Era as BII, ergo every swinging dick in the entire military had one. This does not mean they wore it in inappropriate weather.

>>17552340
pseuds literally dont care as long as they can say something pretentious.

>>17552340
It was definitely worn in Vietnam not sure how commonly

>>17545880
>My flecktarn parka is actually nicer than the m65 in every way.
How? I have multiple flecktarn and a few m65 parkas and the m65 is much more fashionable, fitted, the fabric ages better, and the liner is even better. It's much more comfortable. The flecktarn are good for inna woods but otherwise I have no idea why I have like six of them.

>>17552340
>>17553141
I guess most spldiers deployed in Vietnam wore the jungle jacket, which is lighter, less structured and has slanted chest pockets. Like the ones the soldiers in the pic are wearing.

>>17547025
I would kick the shit out of you personallly.

>>17551859
What do you want them to wear, linen safari jackets?

>>17545840
so what are some alternatives to m-65 and m 65 reproa in terms of utility? I actually really like its functional niche, but I might wabt something slightly more tailored and a bit less military.

I have a rothco, and I like the full body canvas outer with removable inner, draw strings at waist and bottom, and length just covering the ass. The canvas is just plain good outer protection in all weathers and doing work. like a more rugged windbreaker. It being one uniform material makes it a lot easier to clean too. both light and sturdy. inner layer is nothing to marvel at, stiff poly puffer, but does its job of keeping you warm, again, its biggest plus for me is its removability.

things that I didnt like is that the cuffs, while vecro, barely have much adjustibility, so i couldnt get a tight seal if I tried. The other thing is kinda touch and go build quality. not horrible or non functional, but noticable. some snap buttons are a little loose and stuff. I could maybe do with a slightly smaller size too, still loose, just not as loose. maybe slighty less military too.


So anyone have any recs for things that follow the m 65 design principles but are a bit less “standard issue” feeling? I dont want some slim fit look alike, doesnt even hve to look much like it, more just something that follows its functional utility. all canvas outer, draw strings, butt length, removable inner, length, slightly loose, etc. the function, not necessarily the form.

>>17555681
Probably have to look at Japanese brands like Real McCoy's

>>17555681
You want a shirt jacket

>>17555681
If you want something more tailored looking, then you're probably going to need to drop the requirement of a liner.

I have an m65 from Superdry that I like. Pic rel but mine fits a bit looser

>>17551751
>heat stroke intensifies

>>17555959
looks nice, but doenst seem to go down all the way or have the draw cords.

again, the utility is my prime concern, not so much the look.

>>17545840
>after literal years of searching
you searched for years to look like a school shooter, kek

>>17556116
School shooter core is supposed to be in this decade, so I kinda understand.

>>17556122
true, true :(

>>17555959
the liners in most non-original M65s are dogshit anyway. Some sort of pure synthetic material that just feels like shit and doesn't breathe. I've taken it out of mine, as well as cut off the internal hood and detached the epaulettes

>>17555959
on the topic of superdry militaria, does anyone know diddly about their fishtail parka? the pics are in this odd grey area where I could kinda see it looking nice or kinda try hard, but I cant quite tell from their pics.

>>17556182
> cut off the internal hood
literally why.

also, personally, as long as the liner keeps you warm im fine.

>>17555681
Literally any other milsurp jacket made during the cold war. Go to a site like varusteleka and take your pick.

>>17556200
cons oughtweigh the pro. it looks like shit, feels bad on upper back even when folded flat and makes you look like quasimodo. something like a hoodie underneath does the liner's job better

>>17556245
varusteleka has no good surplus left, what is is overpriced, and their own products are of shit quality, and also overpriced just like their surplus

>>17556266
idk man, just looked it up and 35 usd is better then most surplus and repro from america.

cant say anything about quality however.

>>17556116
it's a 60 year old basic green jacket and if anything a symbol of anti war

>>17556275
These are even more oversized. The fabric isn't as good, either. Do not really recommend. The Austrian one with the gore Tex membrane is much better.

>>17556312
> even more oversized.
is that even possible? id think the austrians would be more uniform.
>>17556296
im going to shoot up a school and join a war just to prove you wrong.

I've got this coming in the mail. Hope it fits.

>>17556099
It's got draw cords inside, but yeah it's not full length, mines sized up one so it's closer to full length but that doesn't alter the fit accordingly

>>17545844
Everything you love melts into reddit

>>17556697
sad, but largely true.

>>17556697
>>17557144
Have you guys tried not paying attention to reddit?

>>17556342
>is that even possible? id think the austrians would be more uniform.
I mean, you can sort of see the issue in the image: the sleeves are baggy and I find them long, which is usually the opposite problem I have, as my arms are proportionally long already. The fabric has a weird sheen to it. I think there are different fabric types so ymmv.

>>17556507
I have this one. It's cool, but the weird pattern on the top and the space for rank epaulets makes it less street worthy. The liner makes it a real beast, though.

t. I own dozens of surp jackets and parkas

>>17557172
reddit in the descriptive sense anon.
>>17556264
I agree it looks kinda eh, but I felt that it felt negligable when tucked in and adds to the stiff collar look. its also functionally nice to have an emergency hood. always prefered the button collar hoodies I grant you. the type you find in dusters and heavy duty rainwear.

its a jacket for people no longer caring about appearances and wanting a few extra pockets and something that will last longer than a sweatshop workers yearly salary worth
in other words, welcome to your 30s

>>17557865
>baggy and long
isnt that most feild jackets? guess you mean in particulr. The sheen on it could be applied pvs spray. I know it was issued in cans for contextual m 65 usage too for betted water proofing, but would make them real unbreathable as a trade off. always thought I might spray just the shoulders on mine.
>I own dozens of surp jackets and parkas
oh, then heres a question, you worn a m51 fishtail? how are they?

>>17558176
>pvs
pvc*

>>17552157
>those sleeves

>>17551774
Lmao stupid fuck.

>>17558176
different anon but i've seen one up close. it seems to be identical material and liner to the m65 just way way bigger. unless im missing something i personally wouldnt buy one

>>17558446
also correct me if im wrong but the fishtail fur hood can attach to the m65 making it the same thing

>>17556275
Heads up tho, just wait for Kommandostore or the other adjacent online surp stores (Americana pipedream, kruschiki, etc.) to restock their Austrian m65s.

Varusteleka's general customer service isn't bad, but they're lazy at quality control. I got the cotton blend m65 from them and mine was an 2003 make with no epaulets, Austrian patch, or even a name stripe sewn on. I know milsurp is known for coming in varying conditions, and the jacket itself is perfectly fine, just a bit of a let down compared to the photos they're using.

My sympatex m65 from Kommando kicks ass, though. Waterproofed for under $100 a piece, and in a much cooler design/color than the overpriced yuppie stufff rom REI or whatever.

I have a fetish for milsurp from Germany's feldgrau moleskin era.

>thrifted great lightweight black m65esque jacket
>didnt realise it was a good piece til later
>gifted it to a church as donations

Anyone know of any cheap cotton hooded m65/parkas, im talking about a slim fit hooded high zip 100% cotton lightweight one

>>17558782
Like this but with top and bottom cargo pockets

>>17558447
There's a separate M-65 parka which has a (gigantic) standalone hood that's fully cross compatible with the field Jacket, the M-51 fur lined hood is different and only partly compatible, the buttons that go into the back of the collar and and the loops that attach to the button on the front of the field jacket will fit but the buttons that go into the front corners of the collar will run too short, you can cut them off and restitch them however.

What are some good and affordable neofolk or traditional clothing brands?
>inb4 universal works, olive, carrier company
WHAT PART OF AFFORDABLE DID U NOT GET!?!?!
anyway, i could look for second-hand stuff on online marketplaces, but its a pain in the ass to find decent stuff there with so many reselling normie retards + search querying is hard for clothes

i feel sad for anyone wearing varusteleka's shit t. finn

I'm eyeing a flecktarn parka but I beleive I might already be too old for that.

>>17558887
this t. another finn

>>17558888
Camo is definitely a stretch past mid 20s

>>17547062
underrated

>>17559380
Not if you pull of the grizzled old coot look.

>>17558864
>neofolk
>traditional clothing brands
what the hell are you talking about and why are you in a modern (ish) militaria thread?

>>17551774
Yuo are gay

>>17545840
YOU OUTBID ME YOU BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>17560186
why would you want to buy a size small, anon?

>>17560407
Because I'm a small little guy, about 4 feet 3 inches.

>>17560186
why would you buy an original vietnam when you're buying it for "fashion" instead of reenactment or having it in a collection. You can even easily turn a 2nd pattern into 1st pattern by yourself

>>17560457
Built to get raped

>>17560186
>$250
>$57 shipping
>three hundred buckaroos for this shit
bruh

>>17560186
Damn prices are going crazy. It wasnt me I've quit hunting too stressful

>>17560845
Vietnam stuff is always super expensive for some reason. some of the 1st pattern jungle shirts are like $700 for a decent one. $250 isnt actually that crazy if its in good shape

>>17547025
Wandering /k/ommando here: Hell no. That's awesome.

No one wears these anymore lol
Get a grey one if you must

>>17561347
Hmm, must not have anything to do with the collectibility and relic value of items of said era.

>>17561543
i get that but ww2 stuff is basically given away for free. something about vietnam specifically

>>17561561
Vietnam stuff is hard-wearing and usually practical. Most WW2 stuff is usually just antique condition and the sizing is often prohibitive. Boomers usually just buy repros for WW2 items.

>>17558887
What's bad about it? I've had mixed feelings on the stuff from their hose brand. I never buy any of their Made in China stuff though.

>>17558612
Nice piece.

>>17558176
>isnt that most feild jackets?
Yeah but the Austrian one seems to have more generous sizing than the US version. Again, my supplier may just be different. The sheen is I think a product of the fabric more than any treatment, but I wouldn't wear any m65 copy or original in the rain anyway.

>oh, then heres a question, you worn a m51 fishtail? how are they?
The m51 fishtail is great, but I only use the shell, not the liner or fur hood. I might get an m51 parka, too, as for some reason I don't have one. The collar is bigger than the m65 and the construction a little more fashionable, less practical.

I'm getting too old for camo so now I'm going back and getting US stuff and not worrying as much about collecting new Euro camos like I used to.

>>17562095
considering varusteleka: it just looks like absolute shit, feels like shit, costs way more than it should

whats this

>>17562376
Cotton ripstock ERDL jungle jacket?

>>17562442
why do they cost so much

>>17562466
They're Vietnam era, so all the larpers are willing to empty their pockets for them. If you find them cheap, they're probably gonna be in a thrift shop, maybe tucked away in a vintage clothing or surplus shop, or listed by someone who can't differentiate it with an m81 bdu jacket.

>>17562376
Coat, Man's, Combat, Tropical.

Later generation as the buttons are covered

I bought this off my friend's dad for $50 NZD. It came with a patch of an eagle holding a key and this other patch so I assume its legit.

>>17562981
The eagle patch belongs to the US Army Quartermasters Corps and the circle patch is for the U.S. Army Forces Command, this probably once belonged to a truck driver or someone who trained them.

>>17563002
How much do you think I could sell it for?

>>17563011
Going price for olive coloured ones looks to be $50-100 USD, yours looks a bit scuffed though so I'd lowball it

>>17563034
Ah okay, probably not worth the hassle of listing it and shipping it then. Its coming into autumn here so I might use it as an overcoat or something if it doesnt look too larpy.

>>17563047
Great jackets had this one for years and it's still not breaking down at all

one of the best I ever had and I sold it like an idiot before the demand started

>>17562499
I managed to buy a full set of ERDL, or at least the jacket and pants, from Goodwill one Halloween. It's my size too, but I have been just letting it hang for nearly 3 years because I consider it too rare to wear at this point.

>>17562499
What's the one in the middle? I've only ever seen the left and right.

>>17563595
Its a bit of a mystery to me. Modern German parka pattern like all of the flecktarn ones, but its steingrau oliv, uses the 80s brass pebbled snap buttons, the waist cord was omitted, and the breast/inner pockets use those old bundeswehr buttons. The fabric seems to be polycotton and is also waxy on the reverse side but certainly not waterproof. There are steingrau goretex jackets with a different cut, so I don't think these were for rain attire. I assume the bundeswehr contracted parkas with the modern cut just before flecktarn was introduced and this is the evolution between the classic moleskin parka and modern flecktarn ones. There might be older examples but the manufacturing stamp is 1988, two years before flecktarn was introduced, so they probably didn't make too many. I've only seen two listings for them, one from Malaysia, the other from Japan, and in the Uniform History discord server, only one other collector had one.

>>17563122
Sounds like a sweet find. Continue to let it hang and it'll only appreciate in value. I have sort of the sinful reverse of your story, my dad's a Vietnam vet but doesn't really care about militaria. He found a pair of lowland ERDL trousers in a charity shop, not as a collector but because it was cheap and practical like surplus is supposed to be. He used em' for garden work, painted the house with them. I borrowed them to kneel and roll around with for airsoft. Now they're faded, stained and covered in holes which he sewed back up with mismatched thread, a bit of a shame but at the same time its nice to see these garments get actual use.

>>17546504
Retarded opinion

>>17545840
time to get a gun and shoot up some random brothel

>>17563677
So I'm assuming it might have been weird little differences between manufacturers over the years. I have a '92 parka that says it was made by "Jeans Express" which iirc pre '90 would've been labeled as "Schwarz Passau".

Even wilder is in picrel they made a different version of the jacket for the German Postal service that comes in anther color.

>>17563977
Yeah, I love these old school German parkas, they're a timeless classic. Not too aggressive a look compared to a lot of milsurp, very practical design, nice sturdy materials and stitchwork, pure cotton that's light and comfortable without the liner, warm and insulating with it. I also prefer dedicated hoods over ones that detach or stow away in the collar like the m65. Picrel is yet another colour variation, in this case for use in the German navy.

>>17564020
that is fantastic

$12 at sal val the other month

>>17564178
doesn't look original