/fa/ - Fashion

first for chartfag is a loser

Can someone explain the gradations of titanium?

PATEK PHILLIPE

>>17222190
As far as i know only grade 2 and grade 5 titanium is used in watches. I could be wrong.

I could have gotten a Lange and an Aqua Lung and Putin Maxxxed but instead I got two Rolexes.

>>17222189
i second that

>>17222191
that’s one unhappy looking moon

Thoughts on this? I think I'm in love.

>>17222194
>>17222193
I’m this guy and I still think the chartfag is a loser.

>>17222192
Those new 4 thousand dollar G-SHOCK squares have some kinda special titanium

>>17222195
>tfw you fell for the Patek meme

>>17222200
pretty sure that url says breitling.com

>>17222196
It looks nice but it is too thicc for that style

t. shark tooth owner

>>17222196
>Prospex X
dropped

Every YouTube channel reviewing Vostoks say the same thing
>The bezel is bidirectional so it’s totally worthless and I dunno what you would use it for
But most divers watches were bidirectional up until the 80s, the heyday of both professional and recreational diving was the 60s and 70s so presumably most people dove with bidirectional friction bezels. How does something go from being perfectly fine for divers to completely unusable for non-divers? Why didn’t people exclusively buy Blancpain Fifty Fathoms if literally only a unidirectional bezel will do?

Really want to pick up a heuer chronograph. Thinking one of these four.

Good morning sirs, are these pants not a good match for the shirt? Inb4 tuck it in. Also, friendly reminder that the seiko sne585 is the current best watch on the market.

Cope, if you must.
And you will.

>>17222212
Left ones

>>17222213
>hardlex
dropped

>>17222213
You look like you're somehow simultaneously wearing dress slacks and sweatpants. Grade A sleaze, you better be either balding and hiding it, or have a fuckload of hair completely disheveled. Keep up this look and get a gold plated Tissot PRX.

>>17222224
>You look like you're somehow simultaneously wearing dress slacks and sweatpants
Man this hurts, surely it's the color?

>>17222218
Yeah I’m feeling the same. Especially the stainless steel monza.

>>17222196
The non-gold one looks better

I’m highly considering getting this watch after I pass my PE exam. Looking in the $3k range, prepwned with box and papers. Is this decent or should I look at others? Would love a JLC but they’re out of my range.

>>17222255
top up a bit and get a polaris

>>17222259
I would get a JLC Calendar or Geographic, either in rose gold if I could but alas. I at least want a day function, day and date is a plus

>>17222212
Based and Heuer pilled. I want one to be next too. Gonna sell my 126600 Seadweller in a couple of years and start coping one and pocket the extra cash

Cope if you must and you will.

i am too poor to afford a vacheron. i am going to kill myself.

>>17222280
>>17222215
there's only room for one chartfag ITT
which one is the impostor?

>>17222280
stop editing the chart, you obese piece of poor shit

>>17222286
the faggot that put a mass market brand of machine made tool watches on high-end luxury, of course

>>17222281
And then you save up your whole life:
“Uhm anon why are you wearing that cheap nazi emblem watch? “
“Buh buh its holy trinity”
“Oh it’s that kind of cross…I’m not religious either, this isn’t going to work out”

>>17222290
no one can see the maltese cross without being 6 inches away from the watch

>>17222291
Cope

>>17222295
yes i am coping over having to settle for a JLC instead of being able to walk out of a vacheron AD with the watch of my choice.

>>17222190
>>17222192
Grade 1 Titanium: softer and more prone to scratches, but lighter and easy to polish, used by a lot of affordable brands, like Seiko, Casio, Citizen, etc...
Grade 2 Titanium: more resistant to scratches, harder to polish, so mostly used with brushed finishing, a bit grayer. Tudor, Omega, Chopard, etc...
Grade 3 Titanium: used in specific parts of the movement, as an experiment to reduce wear. Quickly replaced by ceramic and silicium. Patek experimental research and Ulysse Nardin.
Grade 5 Titanium: Extremely hard, difficult to work and polish, but almost impervious to scratching, as heavy as steel, somewhat white. Only JLC uses it, I think.

>>17222296
It’s only banter man JLC is nice sorry sweatie.

>>17222298
JLC doesn’t do blue dials the way vacheron does. it’s just not comparable. i have to cope with black because the JLC blue doesn’t look nearly as good

>>17222297
thank you based anon

>>17222280
Based and chartpilled.
This is the REAL chart, don't fall for imitations.

Coping for not walking out of Patel by walking out of vc

>>17222304
You're welcome, my friend.

>>17222190
>>17222192
>>17222199
Cobarion is used on the top bezel and DAT55G is used on the bracelet of the MRG square. They are both Japanese titanium alloys that only Casio uses in watches. The case is grade 5 which is less common in watches since most use grade 2. Grade 5 is actually the most commonly used titanium alloy outside of watches since it gets used in knives and tacticool stuff. It's harder to work which is why watches usually go for grade 2.

Personally I like titanium regardless of the grade since it's always super light, rust proof, and feels great on the wrist. Different grades just have different benefits and tradeoffs in watch design.

Imagine the state of mind of somebody who does not trust the chart? Always paranoid and unsure of what to make of certain pieces, what his collection should look like, what to think of somebody’s watch. True freedom exists within an order, removing the ego and letting the chart guide you, not having to worry about the fickle nature of your own judgement. I revel in my submission to the chart

>>17222319
your weight starts with a 2

>>17222327

Wrong again!

>>17222315
That's an alloy Ti61 that is twice as tough as conventional titanium, but not properly grade 5. This alloy is rather placed "between 3 and 4" grades.

>>17222327
>Coping already
LOL
LMAO even

>>172223
give it back, jamal

>>17222330
fat, obese, disgusting and watchless pig

>>17222297
Seiko/Grand Seiko have their own blends of titanium. If it doesn't have the surface treatment, it is harder than steel.

>>17222297
what kind of titanium uses Rolex? It must be some sort of in-house alloy, considering they are the best, most luxurious brand

>>17222346
GS uses a blend of titanium, niobium and iron.

>>17222365
Not sure on the type but the Deepsea does have a a titanium caseback and clamping ring. Other than that this is a prototype Yachtmaster made out of titanium for a sailing sponsorship on an OEM NATO. Don't know if this will ever actually come to market

>>17222381
uuuuhhhh Rolexbros... what the fuck? just a caseback??

>>17222378
>>17222346
So, not really titanium, but an alloy.
Classic tricky bullshit from Grand S O Y K O.
>Never trust the japs

I like to yeet it out the 2nd story window then pick it back up when I leave the house

>>17222378
Interdasting
>>17222395
Are you fucking stupid? Why do you think there's grades of titanium?

>>17222411
Shut up, ESL.

>>17222336
What's alloy Ti61?

>>17222395
Anything other than Grade 1 titanium is an alloy. Higher grades are usually better.

>>17222413
I am a native speaker. However I did take 3 years of German in high school because I was enamored with Nazis before it was cool and socially acceptable.

>>17222421
Then you're also stupid.
Btw,
>there'RE grades of titanium.
You dumb ESL.

>>17222429
I'vnt saw no proof your an native speeker. Your probably a Brazilian, or worse; a Canadian

>>17222395
Almost all metals in use are alloys.

>>17222343

Post your weight? And your watch? Thanks

https://youtu.be/jb-tNGP47zM?t=82

>costs more than my yearly salary at my day job
>this is my husband's watch

Why is every single female watch youtuber a golddigger whore?

>>17222441
refer? to the chart? cuck?

>>17222452
COOOPE COOPE IF YOU MUST COOOPE COOPE IF YOU WILL FUCKING POORFAG

>>17222452
because this hobby attracts a lot of materialistic cucks
these cucks are desirable for golddiggers, for obvious reasons
and then, these hoes realize how much money they can con from watch "enthusiast", and so, they open youtube channels.

>>17222479
refer to the chart and cope and seethe poor freak. amerilard retard hahahaha take this bitch

>>17222215
>>17222280
>>17222304
cheap seiko chad here
good charts!

>>17222479
Pretty much true. I can't think of a single female watch youtuber that isn't piggybacking off their husband somehow, or that actually knows anything about horology.

Just look in that video where she's completely unable to actually articulate why an independent haute horlogerie watch like that Journe is in the price category it is.

>>17222452
>asked the poorfag.

Bought a Rolex today

>>17222489

Absolutely based post

>>17222499

Very nice. And nice dubs

My leather strap stinks.
i washed it with soap, alcohol and even bleach, it still smells like ass

what do?

>>17222499
id buy this with the palm dial if i could pay sticker price

>>17222499
Best watch in the current Rolex catalogue. Good choice if not a larp.

>>17222508
Stop being a pajeet

>>17222514
im not a jeet

>>17222514
esl anon projecting again

>>17222482
post your weight and watch

>>17222520
already posted my rolex. you should refer to the chart.

>>17222518
Take your meds and stop YOUR projecting

>>17222508
Buy a new one?

>>17222522
>already posted my [cope]. [seethe]
I see, so no watches and probably a weighting starting with a 3. Good to know.

i weigh 148.8lbs. this is not a joke.

>>17222529
I don't need to proof anything to you. Refer to the chart and get a Rolex or out of my thread. Simple.

Does anyone in this thread actually own a watch or do you just spend all day and night seething at each other?

>>17222538
chattard tries hard to make the thread shit for no reason

>>17222538
Dude I barely own underwear lmfao.

>>17222508
where can i get a watch like this that doesn't cost 20k? preferably under 200$

>>17222552
orient

>>17222538
I have a Vostok Amphibia and I'm planning on getting the solar Seiko Diver some anon was shilling some months ago

>>17222552
Daniel Wellington, AliExpress

>>17222552
it won't be like that for $200

>>17222537
>I don't [have any watches]
I know

whorology

>>17222537
>I don't need to proof anything
so the chratfag really is an ESL huh... really makes you think

>>17222552
https://aliexpress.com/item/2255800055308494.html

>>17222554
too thick
>>17222556
too shit
>>17222557
something close

>>17222578
You won't get "something close" to a 20k watch with a $200, retard.
Save more and come back when you have at least $2000.

>>17222571
300$ for a chinese watch !

>>17222583
obviously, im not asking for the same quality, im asking for the same design

So many poors in here...

Any watches with a metallic glass case?

>>17222599
>thousands of dollars in watches
>stored on a chinky box
fucking, disgusting prole

>>17222587
Its $210
And its got a decent Japanese movement in it.
Look at YouTube reviews if you don't belive me. I also saw some quartz Frederique constant watches but i didn't bother to post them because they are over $300 on discounter websites at least thr gold one is.
https://www.jomashop.com/frederique-constant-watch-fc-220nv4s5.html
https://www.jomashop.com/frederique-constant-watch-220ng4s6.html
https://www.jomashop.com/frederique-constant-watch-fc-220s5s6.html

>>17222599
https://www.reddit.com/r/RepTime/comments/x21vem/few_gens_few_reps_starting_to_consolidate/
Faggot.

> Your budget
$2000 USD
> Watch type, e.g. dress, diver, pilot
Diver or sports
> Movement, e.g. automatic, hand wound, quartz
Not quartz
> Desired features, e.g. water resistance, day/date, 2nd time zone
Good lume would be a plus but not a must have
> Preferred strap option, e.g. leather, nylon, bracelet
Open to anything as long as it looks good
> Wrist size or desired watch size
Prefer under 42mm lug to lug

>>17222611
Tag Heuer Aquaracer

>>17222611
Formex reef
https://formexwatch.com/watches/reef-automatic-chronometer-cosc-300m/?sku=2200.1.6322.910
Or formex essence 39
https://formexwatch.com/watches/essence-thirtynine-automatic-chronometer-blue/
Or this is really cool, the serica 5303 (pic related)
https://www.serica-watches.com/en/collection-5303/

what's the consensus on Unimatic?

>>17222628
Meh

>>17222629
would be better with a strong red?

>>17222614
That's about the right level I was thinking of but I don't like watches that have a lot wrapped up in car culture as I am fairly anti car, and the tag brand is really deep into that petrolhead shit which makes my skin crawl

>>17222622
Objectively nice looking watches, but I was looking for a more recognizable brand

>>17222639
That's fair, I don't really care about cars at all but when I felt the Aquaracer in person I almost bought it. I went with a Citizen Fugu for my swimmer/dive watch though.

>>17222639
>Objectively nice looking watches, but I was looking for a more recognizable brand
Certina DS PH200M
A longines legend diver in 36mm or 42mm, you can get one from an ad for 2k if you ask nicely
https://www.longines.com/en-us/watch-the-longines-legend-diver-watch-l3-374-4-50-0
https://www.longines.com/en-us/watch-the-longines-legend-diver-watch-l3-774-4-50-0

selling a moonswatch and some guy wanted to trade me

i'm trans btw, not sure if that matters

>>17222648
Disgusting faggot.

>>17222648
>Kijiji
Of course my fellow leaf is a fag

>>17222628
Looks very simple and basic, but not in a bad way.

>>17222629
>>17222630
kek

>>17222434
>I'vnt saw no proof your an native speeker
ESL on it's prime.

>>17222552

>>17222672

wanna meetup and suck eachother off

>>17222544
I have a lot of watches, but no underwear. No pants, either.

>>17222552

>>17222630
>would be better with a strong red?
I just don't find the designs and price points very inspiring, these watches won't look good on most people with a wrist less than 7 1/2 inches because os how they wear. It don't strongly dislike them or anything but they seem to be best for somone going for a panerai big chunky watch kind of look

>>17222599
Neck yourself, faggot.

>>17222687
Straight up ripoff of the credor itchy 2

>>17222614
>>17222639
>Tag Huehue
Don't buy shit, anon.

>>17222704
Minus the date plus the crescent

>>17222700
Fair. Yeah, these style of ultra utilitarian watch is pretty specific.
At these price point, I should think about it a little bit more.

Love this guy

>>17222727
Ahhh if it doesn't have a chapter ring they cant misalign it, smart thinking

>>17222727
very sovlful

>>17222297
I honestly doubt it's that, as grade 5 titanium (Ti6Al4V) is about the most used titanium alloy in technological applications. really not a super-rare wonder material. its density isn't any higher than other titanium alloys at 4.5 kg/dm^3, far below steel's 7.85 kg/dm^3

I'm just gonna say it. All dive watches look like shit. The submariner and its consequences have been a disaster for horological fashion.

>>17222741
grow some chest hair

>>17222741
Hopefully the rich will stop liking rolex at some point again

>>17222687
nice but 40mm is to large for a dress watch

Why yes, I do cave dive in a $100k tourbillon

>>17222768
hey, what the fuck, some anon told me nobody uses a watch to dive?

>>17222769
this guy definitely does

https://timeandtidewatches.com/rock-100000-rose-gold-tourbillon-cave-diving-meet-man/

>>17222768
>>17222772
I bet the Blancpain marketing team came in their pants when they saw this. Absolute gigachad behavior

>>17222772
based

How do you guys know what's a dress watch and what's a sporty watch just by looking at it? I don't mean watches like subs which are obvious. But what makes something dressy and what makes something sporty? Size, strap, complication, color?

>>17222803
it’s an aesthetic, if you can’t tap into it you’re either blind or you’re one of those people without an inner monologue.

>>17222803
Lume vs no lume, size, beefy case vs slim and narrow case, bracelet vs leather strap, steel vs precious metal.
Its not any one thing it a i know it if i see it and there are some that arguably fall in either category.

>>17222803
Categories are meaningless. Dress watch was a simple gold watch with a leather strap and no complications. Sports meant anything not-dress. Now words are used interchangeably and lose meaning. Chronographs and basically anything not on a bracelet being sold as a dress watch.

Just want a submariner I don’t want your chooder

>>17222821
>It's an aesthetic
Everyone knows that already, if you can't articulate beyond "it's an aesthetic" your iq must be in the double digits

>>17222826
>Dress watch was a simple gold watch with a leather strap and no complications.
But aren't some complications considered dressy? Like moonphase for example?

>>17222803
A dress watch (commonly known) as is simple, small, beautiful thing that looks good on your wrist and tells the time. Thin markers, hour hand, minute hand, maybe a (preferably small) seconds hand. Subtle dial color and texture with a logo and minimal text. Thin, usually round, polished case with well done lugs on a nice leather strap. That's about it. No lume, no water resistance, no date, no complications.
People then say 'a 'dressy watch' which can be a whole spectrum of different things. On the other side of that spectrum is a sports watch. Someone else describe the sports watch as i don't even know where to begin or even if i'm correct...

Hey guys Teddy Baldingsore here please buy some shitty mall watches PLEASE

>>17222839
There isn't a strict dictionary definition. There was a point where date windows and probably even center seconds were considered inappropriate for a dress watch. As dress standards have laxed so have watch definitions. I wear a Casio when I wear a suit.

Is it cringe having a diver watch that isn't a rolex?

>>17222880

>>17222880
It's cringe having a rolex that isint a dive watch

>>17222882
Ugly as shit.

>>17222890
Can't afford a Blancpain tourbillon poorfag?

What GOOD watch brand isn’t plagued by boomers and Saudis

>>17222874
Hello Teddy,

Hope you are having a great day! I want to sniff Courtneys butthole. How many watches do I need to buy to unlock that perk?

Please let me know, I've got the Amex Platinum ready.

Regards,
Anon

>>17222882
utterly mogs soilex

>>17222538
It’s mostly seiko owners. There are a handful of anons with shitters over 1k. Even less in the 5-10k category. Maybe 1-3 10+.
That’s my wager of the spread. Probably 75% of us have sub 1k shitters. Myself included.

>>17222893
Boomers are the majority of watch collectors. There is nothing they don't touch. It's so gross seeing their spotted wrinkly skin on wrist shots.

>>17222894
Dumb bitch waxes her arms so she probably waxes pussy and ass too, it's pointless.

>>17222768
>didn't even set the bezel
kek

>>17222893
Nomos, but instead they are ran by communist kikes
Other gramn watch brands are good, sinn, damasko, mulle glassshootttteeee

>>17222897
Nobody mentioned price. What a corrupted mentality.

>>17222882
Tourbillons are retarded but a tourbillon in a dive watch is next level autism.
For some reasons Blancpain loves to shoehorn dumb complications in their divers. Pic related might be one of the stupidest watches I've ever seen.

>>17222893
H. Moser & Cie. Too playful for boomers, not flashy enough for Saudis

>>17222905
White bread rules
Putting that on a nato is just
*kisses fingers*

>>17222741
Ehh I've always liked the look of the regular Fifty Fathoms.

>>17222904
Watches are a consumer item. Cost matters.

>>17222905
All mechanical watches are autistic. The best watches are the most autistic. They’re all pointless, so you might as well make the most pointless one you can.

>>17222280
Is there a vintage version of this chart somewhere?

>>17222912
have sex

>>17222297
Good info, however there are quite a few luxury brands using grade 5 titanium (Zenith & Chopard) & Blancpain which uses grade 23 titanium(which must be the best because it has the highest number???)

>>17222929
Women owe me sex

>>17222933
>has so little sex he has deficit
lmfao

are Poljot Deluxe good?

>>17222905
>Tourbillons are retarded
No they aren't. Single axis tourbillons actually do have a functional purpose for improving accuracy in wrist watches, it's just why they do is so esoteric that almost no one understands how or can explain it.

I mean, unless you think caring about mechanical chronometry in general is retarded, in which case nevermind. No sense in wasting time arguing about that.

>>17222399
I just found out from an Amazon review that among other things the updated model (GW-M5610U-1CF instead of GW-M5610, module 3495 instead of 3159) now shows current time when using stopwatch and timer functions. Is this true? If so it is now the perfect G-Shock for me. I should retire my DW5600E.

>>17223004
>tourbillons actually do have a functional purpose for improving accuracy
prove it

>>17223004
How come rolex watches are more accurate then the vast majority of swiss tourbillion watches that are produced? I can't even recall a brand like VC putting any kind of accuracy ratings at all on their tourbillion models.

>>17222903
But Homos is for gays and trannies.

>>17223021
But they aren't hyped by boomers and arabs and they are nice watches, the fact that they market to LGBTQP is unfortunate but unrelated to the initial question.

Now this is effay

>>17223024
But still, being noticed by the GAYS.

>>17222492
Eleonor Picciotto. Yes, daughter of Laurent Picciotto, following in his footsteps and doing a great job.

>>17222508
In a warm climate/hot weather you don't wear leather every day all day. Went on vacation with a watch on leather and threw the strap out when I got home, disgusting.

>>17223020
This is an interesting and sort of obscure topic. There was a competition called Concours International de Chronometrie that ran from 2009-2019 with the express purpose of bringing back high horology chronometer testing, similar to what was done with pocket watches historically. They tested accuracy and then shock resistance, exposure to magnetic fields, and then more accuracy tests. Some of the brands competing included Greubel Forsey, FP Journe, AP, JLC, Chopard, Zenith, and even Swatch and Tissot.

JLC won the top two spots with two different tourbillon watches. That's not conclusive evidence or anything, but it sure is interesting. Unfortunately the competition has since fizzled out, allegedly because watch brands are afraid to compete and risk revealing that their $50k+ watches are not actually all that accurate. So I don't really know how to answer your question. I think there are certainly examples where a tourbillon does not help the accuracy of the watch and probably harms it. Perhaps that is not the case when it comes to certain JLC tourbillons.

>>17222893

Parmigiani

>>17223018
>prove it
Wrist watch hairsprings cannot practically be designed and manufactured in a such a way that their timing behavior is identical in all vertical positions. No matter which way you orient the hairspring, there will be two positions, 180 degrees from each other, which will be the fastest and slowest vertical positions. In pic related, the fastest vertical rate will be with A facing upwards and the slowest vertical rate will be with B facing upwards. This natural error cannot be eliminated no matter how much you adjust the movement, though it can be reduced somewhat. The existence of this natural error is why COSC chronometer standards test in 5 positions rather than 6. The 6th position is used as a dump stat to make it easier to adjust for the other 5.

Now, a single axis tourbillon effectively eliminates this natural error because the hairspring's vertical orientation is constantly changing, and the vertical errors are thereby completely equalized. This also has the additional benefit of allowing the movement to be adjusted in effectively 3 positions rather than 5 or 6, and this also means the adjuster will face less trade-offs where adjusting to improve certain positional rates causes other positional rates to worsen.

>>17223018
>>17223061
I should also note that this means that gaining any chronometric benefit from the tourbillon is therefore dependent on putting in the effort in adjusting the movement to take advantage of the benefits the tourbillon provides, not just slapping it in there and calling it a day. But if the adjuster is able to put in the required time and effort, the tourbillon can indeed enable better precision.

>>17223059
>Unfortunately the competition has since fizzled out, allegedly because watch brands are afraid to compete and risk revealing that their $50k+ watches are not actually all that accurate
Lol
I know that the original idea with tourbillions was to be oriented vertically in a pocket watch movement and so the standard traditional designs might make little to know difference if worn on the wrist because of the constant changes in orientation.
But beyond that i also get the impression that none of the brands really want to put the effort in to make thesw movements they make a few hundred of a year as accurate as a premium mass produced movement with a massive engineering budget thrown behind it.
Maybe the original problems it solved have been obsoleted by improvements in manufacturing technology. Maybe there brands just don't really care if their watches loose 5 seconds a day because their customers dont care.
I know the original idea of off axis or two axis or 3d tourbillions was to make them more appropriate for wristwatch use. But unfortunately there just isn't enough publicly available accuracy data for me to be able to tell if those perform better.

>>17223061
>>17223065
>cope
just get an Apple Watch then lol

Are Russian made watches radio active
i want to buy one but i'm afraid of what its made of

>>17223059
These are the results from all the tests they did. Tissot stands out with their performance, but it should be noted that they were modifying movements extensively for the purpose of winning this competition while most other brands were not. Still, they outperformed plenty of tourbillons and other extremely high end watches.

>>17223075
>an ETA 2824 beat a double tourbillon Greubel Forsey in 2009
what in the fuck

>>17223075
>school watch higher than fp joune
oof
>Tissot stands out with their performance, but it should be noted that they were modifying movements extensively for the purpose of winning this competition while most other brands were not
besides silicon hairsprings, and perhaps using the highest grade for the movement, like those for COSC, what else can be modified?
In fact, what the fuck is the actual difference between the low grade and cosc decorated grade movements?

>>17223059
Yes. And in fact this is the model that won.

>>17223081
>In fact, what the fuck is the actual difference between the low grade and cosc decorated grade movements?
The top grades have a different balance wheel, other than that its mostly parts binning. They just test each one that they make and pull out the most accurate from chronometer certification
>>17223078
They probably tested 10,000 movements and picked the best off the factory line

>>17223075
I was wondering if the gyrotourbillion would be any good. I kind of expected it to be one of the more accurate ones

>>17223081
My understanding is that Tissot submissions from 2009 & 2011 were pretty much off the shelf movements but it's hard to find information about the high scoring 2015 one as that movement, as far as I know, never actually came to market. I read that it might be a modified 6498-2 bumped up from 3 to 4 Hz, but who knows what else they did if anything.

>>17223075
This is so fucking funny. No wonder the Swiss wanted to shut it down. Zenith, Urban Jurgensen, Moinet, Zenith, Greubel Forsey, FP Journe all getting mogged by Swatch and Tissot. Goddamn.

>>17223097
Ironically swatch was afraid to submit their coaxial but the current version probably would have done pretry well

>>17223085
>The top grades have a different balance wheel, other than that its mostly parts binning.
Not directly related but, is it worth to pay twice for a cosc certified eta/sellita than is entre level grade? Let's say for shitters, difference between a 1000 to a 2000 watch? I've seen that similar models get that type of bump in price if the movement is cosc certified

>>17223098
how many revisions of their coaxial have been by now? are the service internvals lower and chaper?

>>17223081
>what else can be modified?
The balance wheel will be given weights to aid in regulation and may have even been modified to be free-sprung if shock tests were part of the competition.
As for the rest, they take the whole movement apart and machine each component exactly to spec with nano scale tolerances. Think of it like blueprinting an engine.

I miss boomer watch posting so much.

>>17223061
Prove that it's more accurate not explain how it works.

>>17223075
Where's Grand Seiko?

>>17223101
>how many revisions of their coaxial have been by now? are the service internvals lower and chaper?

Four. The first three versions were from Daniels' "flat coaxial" design and they sucked. Currently, they are using the three-tier coaxial design and it's been problem free since then. They started using it with the 2500D movement.

The service intervals are longer than they used to be. It's 8 years now. As for cost, who can say, what's cheap for me might be expensive for you.

>>17223105
The competition only allowed Swiss brands (except for Leroy), presumably to avoid controversy in case a non-Swiss brand won. The big brands like Patek, Rolex and Omega basically had nothing to gain and everything to lose by joining so they passed. JLC would’ve looked horrible if they had not won since they brought out the big guns. That’s why participation fell year after year, management decided it was not worth the brand image risk.

>>17223099
>Not directly related but, is it worth to pay twice for a cosc certified eta/sellita than is entre level grade?
Eh its up to you. I would rather get watches with undecorated top grade movements that haven't gone through chronometer testing because the testing itself is expensive and adds cost to the watch.
As far as base grade vs chronometer i wouldn't pay and extra $1,000 for it.

>>17223105
Check the dumpster.

>>17223118
The Swiss are nasty cunts that loathe competition. I was curious because they cancelled the tests decades ago after the Japanese swept up the top spots. Of course they wouldn't be invited back.

>>17223102
>mountain jews will never allow economy of scale to allow more movements to have all these improvements
also, fucking boomers that don't care about accuracy and precision.

>>17223116
I checked currency exchange rates, and is more in the range of 500-700 USD markup.
Still, I guess only if I like the watch very much

>>17223075
Breguet chads just can't stop winning

>>17223075
>>17223078
>>17223081
If Tissot were extensively hand adjusting their movements for the competition and the others were submitting movements in the form they sell them to the public, that's not really a fair comparison.

Movement adjustment is extremely time and skill intensive process requiring a highly skilled watchmaker who is an expert in what amounts to a dying art. Having a watchmaker extensively hand adjust a 2824 for competition is effectively adding many thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars in highly skilled labour to a movement that would normally never receive such efforts.

>>17223081
>>17223085
>>17223094
Cherry picking parts can only get you so far, it's more the question of how much extensive hand adjustment was done that can have a major influence on precision.

>>17223104
I provided a logical proof that it can enable greater precision, but as I said, the adjustment has to take advantage of the elimination of the natural error and variance in vertical rates to realize the potential gains.

>>17223115
>The competition only allowed Swiss brands (except for Leroy), presumably to avoid controversy in case a non-Swiss brand won.
Because the Swiss knew that Seiko would have dedicated as many corporate resources as necessary to securing a good result as necessary if they'd been permitted to compete. Seiko also has a lot of in house skill in terms of the skilled labour required to adjust movements to a high precision standard between GS and the Micro-Artist Studio.

>550 for brand new + 2 day shipping
seriously tempted

>>17223114
8 years as in suggested by Omega, meaning it could take a couple more years, or 8 years before it self destructs?
>They started using it with the 2500D movement.
Well, that is reassuring, to buy any of their current line, and get something decent.

>>17223129
It better be the high accuracy quartz version

>>17223129
Cannot get past the crown guards holy hell

>>17223130

When I got my Speedmaster I was told 8 years before service. That’s standard service not necessarily for a watch stopping major problem though depending on use and conditions the time might vary a bit. And they still recommended once a year for water resistance testing.

>>17223135
Don't like the dial on the the VHPs but it's quartz.

>>17223130
8 years as suggested by Omega. Unless you're using it to drive nails, it will last much longer. Most watchmakers tell you that you should take it in when it stops working correctly.

I've had a couple of watches from the 8xxx series (the first movements designed from the baseplate up to be coaxial, not modified ETA movements) and they've all be completely trouble free.

>>17222646
I looooove the LD the problem is the 42 is a boomer tier panerai monstrosity and the 36 doesn't look right. They should have made the smaller one a 38

Certina is a brand I'm conflicted on. I wish there was a cool celebrity as their brand ambassador, preferably a classically handsome asian male celebrity. I just want to feel like I'm not a poorfag for buying a Certina

I'm seriously considering the Captain Cook, speaking of poorfag brands

>>17223114
>>17223130
Is there a way to tell which version of the 2500 an Omega has? I've been hunting a midsize Seamaster from the gen that used the 2500 but I don't want to get a junk movement.

>>17223128
I didn't ask for an untested theory. I asked for simple quantifiable proof. It's quite simple to measure time deviation. If you can't achieve the most basic test of timekeeping and make any claims on accuracy then it's pseudoscience.

What kind of person sees this photo and thinks "that's the kind of glamour I want to buy a piece of"

I'm thinking something like a moderately successful BPO training center manager after landing his first deal with wipro?

>>17223156
>What kind of person sees this photo and thinks "that's the kind of glamour I want to buy a piece of"
Pajeets

>>17223160
Yes wipro is an indian company, do try to keep up

>>17223152
The only models (as far as I know) that got the 2500D were the last batch of 42mm Planet Oceans. The Seamasters/Aqua Terras from that era all had the 2500C. The 2500D was quite rare since it was developed alongside the 8xxx movements and the decision was made at Omega to just convert the entire model range over to 8xxx instead of piecemeal.

>>17223161
It is? "Wipe Pro" doesn't sound very Indian to me.

>>17223164
Ok now that the kids are done taking jabs at indians, let's have the adults try

>>17223155
>I didn't ask for an untested theory.
Just because you're unfamiliar with with long understood principles of watch adjustment doesn't mean they are untested. The diagram I posted is from a book called Rules and Practice for Adjusting Watches from 1920, by which time this principle was already well understood.

Anyway, Patek Phlippe tests their tourbillons to a -2 to +1 precision standard, so there's one concrete example for you, as that accuracy standard is 25% more precise than the tightest precision standard offered on any non tourbillon watch sold today.

>>17223170
Sorry, Rajneesh. I didn't mean anything by it. Just having a little fun, is all.

>>17223162
Ah damn. Well the C still has the 25,200 beat rate and shouldn't eat itself, right?

>>17223177
I'm not even indian, I specifically initiated the conversation to dab on indians, I just figured the internet was tired of the poo memes and maybe someone could muster a joke about raping lizards or at least something that wasn't beaten to death 3 or 4 years ago, but if that's the best you can do, that's the best you can do

>>17223181
Being a pajeet is insulting enough in and of itself. It would be rude to pile on the Indians further.

>>17223185
See that's more like it

>>17222995
No they are luxurious or sumptuous. Of a superior kind.

talk about rolex and refer to the chart NOW

>>17223189
refer to the first post

>>17223060
Damn this is soooo sexy.

>>17223179
The 2500C can be kept alive with regular maintenance, but the two-level coaxial has fundamental flaws that will just cause it to stop. I used to know the details of this when I was researching first gen Planet Oceans. (Great watch, but the 2500D versions are surprisingly hard to find compared to 2500C.)

Long story, short; any given 2500C would probably be fine, but I still wouldn't buy one.

>>17223061

Thank you for this based explanation

>>17223127
fuck thats nice

>>17223156
I wish Rado didn't have this association because I quite like the black ceramic look

>>17223191
refer to the referee

>>17223179
>>17223193
Basically, the post it note version is this: The co-axial gear teeth on the 2500 series movements require a microscopically precise amount of oil to be present on them to act as impact cushioning (rather than lubrication), and that makes them both tricky to service (because if microscopically too much or too little oil are used it can cause problems) and extremely sensitive to service intervals because if the shock cushioning oil dries out the co-axial gear teeth with begin to be damaged by the impacts from the pallet fork, leading to a need to replace them at service.

>>17223205
*will begin to be damaged by

Lots of cope, and seethe if you will. Lots of people un ability to refer to the chart.

Lots of tards in here, wearing they're stupid Tag Huehues thinking they are superior than THE best chart.

Pic related is the average chart hater.. THEY RAGE

>>17223171
>Patek Phlippe tests their tourbillons to a -2 to +1 precision standard
I'm impressed. $500,000 to do one second better than a $5000 Rolex.

>>17223209
>>17223212
>>17223214
There better be an Altiplano in your series of exhibits.

>>17223205
>>17223207
No way swatch would just swap a C out for a D at service if I asked nicely, huh?

>>17223217
wrong one

>>17223213
Ever heard of the concept of diminishing returns? That 25% improvement in precision requires an enormous additional investment of effort to achieve.

Also, Patek's accuracy standard for tourbillons is only a rough guide as they provide individual testing certificates with each one sold where I would expect most to outperform the rated minimum standard. The provision of individual testing certificates is why Grand Seiko didn't bother to offer a unique precision standard for the their Kodo constant force tourbillon (no point since they are providing individual testing certificates with each one).

>>17223226
Cool, so...only slightly more accurate than a Rolex at 10x the price and with zero robustness. Real impressive, faggot.

>>17223214
>>17223217
>>17223223
>>17223225
Trash, just getting a Rolex instead.

>>17223225
Best one.

>>17223197
It's always great when I actually get to talk about horology on one of these threads. One interesting tidbit I left out for conciseness is that there are some things that can be done to mitigate that natural error, but they are extremely skill and manual labour intensive so no one tries to do them in modern watchmaking. There are custom curve shapes for the first innermost spiral of a hairspring that can reduce the natural error, but they had to be bent into the hairsprings by hand, by eye, and so they were never adopted widely. Seiko used to use a complex inner terminal curve geometry in the 1960s, but they're the only one I know of who ever tried to use complex inner terminal curve geometries as production scales.

Actually, now that I think about it, I'm surprised that none of the modern silicon hairsprings use complex inner terminal curve designs. It wouldn't be any harder to manufacture than a conventional inner terminal curve. Huh. Wonder why no one today is doing that?

>>17223232

>>17223218
I got you.

>>17223227
>25% improvement
>slightly
(You)

>>17223234

>>17223238

>>17223233
>Wonder why no one today is doing that?
Cost benefit. If it doubles the cost of the part and the result is an improvement of 1 second per day accuracy, that's not worth it. People already see "COSC Chronometer" and they're satisfied.

Not that many people are that hung up on accuracy, unfortunately.

Stop spamming the thread with ugly Non-Rolex trash.

>>17223240
On a silicon hairspring, I don't see why there would be any additional cost beyond the small capital investment in having a computer simulate the optimal inner terminal curve geometry. I don't see why etching a slightly different hairspring shape would add any cost in the production process itself?

>>17222890
thats what the nurse said when they pulled you out

>>17223233
grand seiko still uses metal alloy hand adjusted on all their watches. https://youtu.be/6UG23hHG5Eo

>>17223245
I don't know either, but I do know that when companies opt to not do something it's either impossible with current technology or it's simply not worth the cost to implement when measured against the per unit selling price.

>>17223150
The captain cook is cool, but the smaller version doesn't haave a scred down crown, its push pull only, if i was going to get a rado i would get one of the golden horse reissues or a hyperchrome classic but those arent divers
What about the other longines diver? Its not for me bu they make a 38mm or 39mm version.

>>17223226
>Also, Patek's accuracy standard for tourbillons is only a rough guide as they provide individual testing certificates with each one sold where I would expect most to outperform the rated minimum standard.
That is true for all of them. You can get better than the rated. Nothing unique about Patek.

>>17223261
What's unique is that Patek provides the individual testing certificates to the customer. As far as I know that's relatively uncommon these days.

Rolex

>>17223265
mirin the stretchmarks on your daughter's fat ass.

>>17223254
Nice.

>>17222874
I hate this fucking faggot

REFER TO THE CHART
FUCKING REFER TO IT
GET A FUCKING ROLEX
IM SICK OF YOU FREAK S

YO UFUCKING HATE the BEST chart FOR NOI FUCKING REASO N
YOU ALL ARE FUCKING PLEBS
YOU ARE BELOW ME
YOU HAVE NEVER RIDING A PRIVATE JET
YOU HAVE NEVER YACHT RACED IN THE WATER OCEAN
YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN THE JUBILEE BAND ON A ROLEX SHINE
YOU ARE ALL PLEBS
REFER
TO THE
FUCKING
CHART
NBOW
NOW
NOW

Grand Seiko

>>17223297
>>>>>GRAND BASEDKO
>>>>>>>>>Spring DRIVE
fucking onions FREAK

>>17223297
cool seconds hand and stitching on the strap

>>17223301
its ugly like all omegays and grand baaasedkos and tag huehueshueshuesh

>>17223301
looks like shit
buy a rolex cellini

>>17223301
Refer to the chart.

>got my younger brother into watches
>all he has an invicta from me
Should I get him a Tissot PRX as a gift?

>>17223317
Sure, or get him a gshock 5610 as a beater watch

>>17223325
He doesn't like digital. The casioak is an option as well though.

>>17223328
If you get him the prx get a quartz one, and consider the 35mm if it wont be comically small on him. The automatic is just too thick for the integrated bracelet look.

Thinking of buying a zelos. The one I'm looking at is 40mm diameter, but only 46 lug to lug. Would that look alright on a 6 inch wrist? The diameter size is way bigger than what's suggested for someone my size, but l2l makes it seem like it'll be ok so idk.

>>17223376
Probably be pushing it to be honest, depending on how flat your wrists are.

Sometimes I forget I'm not posting in /wt/.

So after researching a bit about watches, isn't it totally pointless to buy automatics under 500 if you want to actually keep them in a collection? If I'm a poorfag it seems to make a lot more sense just to buy a bunch of 1-300 solar quartz watches with different styles.

>>17223380
Hey, I gave you that (You)!

NEW THREAD WHEN?

>>17223059
Was this swiss only/seiko banned?

if they were being selective in who was allowed to compete, why would swiss watch brands be afraid of people realizing their expensive watches aren't accurate? didn't everyone figure that out back in the 80s?

i get not wanting to be mogged by the japanese again, but if they're jerking off amongst themselves what is there to lose?

>>17222185
poorfag here
thoughts on this bros?
https://longislandwatch.com/islander-automatic-field-watch-with-nylon-weave-strap-and-an-ar-sapphire-crystal-isl-41/

>>17223452
Why pay a micro that much when you can get the same thing or better from Seiko?

>>17223452
save up for a hamilton khaki

>>17223452
>>17223458
>>17223459
samefag

>>17223458
hmmm yeah you're right. i was kind of getting hung up on the sapphire crystal, but i could always get a seiko 5 (even the newest ones can be found well under $200 right now) and just replace the crystal and the price wouldn't even be that far off the islander.
>>17223459
idk about that one anon, khaki is more than double or triple the price of the seiko. is it really *that* much better? i'd save up for this honestly https://swcusa.com/product/swc-bunker-black/
but it's eternally out of stock literally everywhere. i can't even find any used ones.
>>17223461
see picrel

> Your budget
1000 AUD
> Watch type, e.g. dress, diver, pilot
Dress/ everyday watch
> Movement, e.g. automatic, hand wound, quartz
Quartz
> Desired features, e.g. water resistance, day/date, 2nd time zone
Minimalistic dial design
> Preferred strap option, e.g. leather, nylon, bracelet
Anything is fine as long as it's not 19mm
> Wrist size or desired watch size
38mm or 40mm is fine

>mass market pelagos

For shame tudor

>>17223376
honestly, no one really notices it.
6" wrist here wearing a 43mm watch (49mm l2l) and no one ever said it was too big for me.
although i myself feel it is way too big

>>17223481
Longines 38-39mm sounds perfect for you

Cringe or kino?

>>17223514
kino

New thread WHEN???

>>17223514
What if I don't have Facebook?

>>17223588
>>17223588
>>17223588

>>17223376
>The one I'm looking at is 40mm diameter, but only 46 lug to lug
Yes it will 100% fit fine

>>17223449
the swiss would kill themselves if they officialy lost to Seiko again

>>17223156
>wipro
>The company was incorporated on 29 December 1945 in Amalner, India, by Mohamed Premji as Western India Vegetable Products Limited, later abbreviated to Wipro. It was initially set up as a manufacturer of vegetable and refined oils under the trade names of Kisan, Sunflower, and Camel.

>vegetable oil
>IT CService and analytics, data entry

Imagine my shock

>>17222603
>>thousands of dollars in watches
>>stored on a chinky box
>fucking, disgusting prole
bc fake

>>17222552
bambino

>>17223005
its true