/fa/ - Fashion

>>15542737
Instagrams:

Prep:

https://www.instagram.com/kjp/
https://www.instagram.com/alexstourbe/
https://www.instagram.com/dixielandtrad/
https://www.instagram.com/thepreppytexan/
https://www.instagram.com/sweatbrah/
https://www.instagram.com/josephcrabb/
https://www.instagram.com/wmbrownproject/
https://www.instagram.com/thepreppyguy/
https://www.instagram.com/pjhavel/
https://www.instagram.com/hardinglane/
https://www.instagram.com/seangaleburke/
https://www.instagram.com/thepreppynewenglander/
https://www.instagram.com/howieguja/
https://www.instagram.com/_______jung/
https://www.instagram.com/kazuyahiramatsu/
https://www.instagram.com/sophieschumacher0/
https://www.instagram.com/carly/
https://www.instagram.com/abbycapalbo/
https://www.instagram.com/julia.harpe/
https://www.instagram.com/jackiegreaney/
https://www.instagram.com/kileyskeff/

Trad:

https://www.instagram.com/acutestyle/
https://www.instagram.com/tintinfellow/
https://www.instagram.com/andreasweinas/
https://www.instagram.com/thelandlessgentry/
https://www.instagram.com/dave_money3/
https://www.instagram.com/kleidsam/
https://www.instagram.com/parisian_gentleman/
https://www.instagram.com/oskarsalomonsson/
https://www.instagram.com/nortonofmorton/
https://www.instagram.com/muffyaldrich/
https://www.instagram.com/the_mulberry_tree_lifestyle/
https://www.instagram.com/eleanoraudet/
https://www.instagram.com/sonyaglyn/

Ivy:

https://www.instagram.com/benton.down/
https://www.instagram.com/oxfordclothbuttondown/
https://www.instagram.com/arnoldsteiner/
https://www.instagram.com/tko3r/
https://www.instagram.com/jcl.84/
https://www.instagram.com/took_ivy/
https://www.instagram.com/dick.carroll/
https://www.instagram.com/gezzaseyes/
https://www.instagram.com/georgewbush/
https://www.instagram.com/sartorialchap/
https://www.instagram.com/psy3927/

>>15542737
yawn

>>15542737
>flannel pants
>no socks
Can't wait for winter to show these numbskulls how it's done

WE

>>15542785
cope

>>15542785
>reposts JFK
WAIT
>jerks his pecker to interracial PRL ads
AYO HOL UP
>talks shit without posting a single fit
AYO SO YOU BE TELLIN ME
>argues about slim fit
SO YOU BE TELLIN ME
>spams the general with 40+ posts talking about politics and replying to bait like a bumbling retard
WE WUZ TIPS AND SHIET?

When would you wear cashmere vs merino vs shetland? Does a V sweater look right without a tie?

>>15542744
What to wear besides lavender/lylac ocbd? Khaki chinos is the obvious easy choice, what else?

Spier and Mackay 20% off.

>>15543073
V necks look better with tie than crew necks. There I said it.

>>15543197
No shit, don't think of yourself as a brave soul for saying so.

>>15542737
whats the difference between trad, ivy and prep?

you faggots are pathetic. the /sprezzatura/ containment board is infinitely better than this clusterfuck. Over there anons actually post fits, critique each other’s fits and give each other tips, and can go ten posts without bickering about niggers. This thread always has and always will be shit

>>15543465
Where's your fit sprezzlord? Here's mine. I don't l like it though. I think it's my posture or my clothes are too small. Pls help.I know I need to lose a bit of weight.

>>15543529
I think that other than the strange fold and the high notches, it's pretty good, nothing out of the ordinary though.

>>15543529
I actually think this is kind of nice, apart from the weird roll on the jacket

>>15543529
Solid fit, I agree with >>15543547 on the jacket though

/tip/ stands for
>if you don(T) reply to th(I)s (P)ost your mom will die tonight

>>15543680
It only works on images, mate

>>15543529
posture. you have the body language of a child asking an adult for something he knows he can’t have.

clothes are nice though

>>15543529
It's your posture. Stand a bit straighter king, the fit is good. Where did you buy that shirt? I'm not tip though so please take my advice with some salt.

>>15543960
>>15543565
>>15543547
>>15543546
>>15543952
Thanks for the comments. How is a man supposed to stand?

Shirt is drakes btw.

>>15543980
hard to tell exactly from the photo, but it looks like your shoulders and neck are a little hunched forward. Best way to fix it is to straighten out your upper spine by holding your head directly above your body’s center or gravity. You’ll feel like your head is tilted too far back at first, but you’ll get used to it.

You might have some pelvic posture issues to, but can’t tell from the photo.

Also, fix the way you hold your arms and hands. The way you have your right hand with the palm turned backward, fingers curled up, hiding behind your leg is a major sign of nervousness/ weakness

>>15543465
>the /sprezzatura/ containment board is infinitely better than this clusterfuck. Over there anons actually post fits, critique each
Apples and Oranges

>>15544037
>hard to tell exactly from the photo, but it looks like your shoulders and neck are a little hunched forward. Best way to fix it is to straighten out your upper spine by holding your head directly above your body’s center or gravity. You’ll feel like your head is tilted too far back at first, but you’ll get used to it.
cool thanks.

>>15543980
Thanks for the ID. Stand up tall, imagine there is a string pulling your head up to the ceiling, and keep your shoulders pulled back and down. It will emphasize your chest make you look bigger up top. This will sort of create a positive feedback loop of "I feel good because I look good and I look good because I feel good". If you really have trouble with keeping good posture then see a specialist doctor because your spine might be messed up.

Where can I find some femspo? Can’t be arsed to look at all the links in the OP to see which ones have females or not.

>>15543529
I'm not wild about the rise of your trousers, could be a good four inches higher and do you no damage. You'd get much more elegant proportions right away.

Right now it looks a bit "larping Hemingway in Midnight in Paris" with that jacket. What is that, needlecord?

How do I dress like a Pierre?

>>15544086
Same jacket as in this pic.
>>15541425

Yeah the trousers aren't ideal. Uniqlo. It's hard however to find some basic chinos (I need to go back to Cordings sometime) that have a nice leg opening (21cm) and a good rise.

>>15544085
Again, just use google, you dumb bitch ;)

>>15544092
The rise is fine

>>15544094
cringe

>>15544111
Not based
>>15544094
Based

>>15544114
cringe unbased and cope

>>15544115
You have to go back

>>15544125

>>15544092
>Same jacket as in this pic.
Check, needlecord. I'd suggest that if you want a more trad look, get a wide-wale cord jacket to replace that one with, eventually. It shouldn't be hard, since you're in London (oh and by the way, one of your pics shows an envelope with your address on it, my man, probably baleet that if you still can).

>Yeah the trousers aren't ideal. Uniqlo.
I know what you mean, Uniqlo is pretty fucked. They have that weird jappo thing going on where even if the rise is good, the trouser legs will end at your ankle and just dangle around, for some retarded reason they think that's how it should look. Cordings is decent, or you could try the Orvis store in St. James's. Obviously if you're prepared to pay, MTM is the way to go, but I'm guessing you're not happy to drop a lot on one pair of chinos.

>>15544085
Here you go slut

>>15544154
Thanks I'll check out Orvis. I didn't know they had anything /tip/ related. Most of the stuff I thought was fishing gear. Cordings is good just too expensive for made in unknown-country trousers.

>>15543980
Shoulders back, no posterior pelvic tilt, head on a string, chin up. It isn't comfortable to hold good posture if you have bad posture. If you work out, you will naturally improve your posture as you grow muscle and mind-muscle connection.

>>15544161
>I didn't know they had anything /tip/ related.
That's common, but they have hatever counts as hunting wear, basically. I don't *know* there will be chinos, especially this time of year, but worth a shot.

>Cordings is good just too expensive for made in unknown-country trousers.
I'm gonna be straight with you, you won't pay less than what I'm seeing on their website for a decent pair of chinos in any case. Don't get me wrong, I totally get not wanting to make the outlay, but for something like a good high rise trouser the demand is low, since it's effectively a specialty item, so the price ends up high for those who want it. I guess you could haunt the stuffier Jermyn Street shops and see if they're doing end-of-season sales, Harvie & Hudson might have something, for example.

>>15543529
You look like a cube monkey who is doing the bare minimum to meet company dress code.

>>15544127
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA mate, you seriously have to go back

>>15544166
Ew that pullover is way too tight

>>15544158
argle socks ugly af ngl

>>15544179
ugly man jaw
>>15544185
jeggings

>>15544196
Tbh this is /best dressed guy at the office/ core if you work out. But in america standards for professional dress are literally in the shitter

>>15544192
A lot of stores are rotating out inventory right now, you can get some good deals at physical stores

>>15543094
>besides
I think you mean “with”
>
Beige or cream chinos. Blue or white jeans.

>>15544383
That's what I was suggesting, yeah.

>>15543529
This is a perfectly acceptable tip fit except the footwear.

>>15544271
>doesn’t like fun patterned socks
>wants to be tip
Choose one

>>15542737
w2c wool pants like in OP?

>>15544416
trousers are way too long

is it /tip/ to wear boat shoes with a fall fit? they seem more appropriate for summer to me but I could be wrong

>>15544158
why are they wearing so many layers that aren't cohesive?

>>15544495
They're fakeprep arranged for some kind of ad or fashion shoot. The guy's waistcoat and shirt are both crimes against God and man in that fit. Presumably Anon posted it to show the girl as feminspo, though.

>>15544158
>waistcoat points barely reach the waistband
cringe

>>15544472
Boat shoes /thin sole loafers are wearable as long as it’s dry outside. Change to camp Mocs blucher Mocs for a thicker sole. But if it’s wet with puddles or snow you can’t wear bait shoes bc the water seeps in and generally ruins them. Yes they are boat shoes designed to be on water but in a boat and. Ideally dry on deck.

>>15542737
where to cop oxford shirts without a button collar?

>>15544573
Just order a custom in oxford with no button collar. Use spier and mackay for budget, proper cloth, luxire, brooks, mercer and sons, and jpress from least to most expensive

>>15544472
>trousers are way too long
But that’s why it’s ivy

Which kind of pants can be used in -15°C snow filled weather?

Every TIP thread has...
> OP
> The guy who posts his fit and gets mocked
> The guy who complains about people not posting fits, but doesn't post one himself
> The guy who mocks the guy who posts his fit
> The black TIP poster
> The racist
> The lost sprezzatura guy
> The guy who posts the "We are prep and we are ivy" screenshot
> The guys who debate about what counts as TIP
> Cecil
> The anti-slim fit guy
> The anti-relaxed fit guy
> The JFK poster
> The guy who swears by high-waisted pants
> The non-white TIP guy
> The guy who asks about the difference between trad, ivy, and prep

>>15545138
I'm trans btw so I'll just add myself as the
>based trans /tip/pa

>>15544158
Just horrible

>>15545138
That's what makes half the fun, actually

>>15544085
The third Inspo Album is female fashion and the last instagrams from each category are female as well

>>15545138
I've been the guy who gets mocked. The important thing is to learn and never give up. No full fit for now. I'm at work.

>>15545304
Nice color of the jacket, I like that. You need to shave though. Your beard looks like patchy shit. Tie is too small for the collar, change the knot.

>>15545304
Ugh

Posting some old oc since fall is on its way
>>15545138
Yeah I think I fit
> The lost sprezzatura guy
> The guy who swears by high-waisted pants
> The guy who posts his fit and gets mocked
>>15545310
Very nice

>>15542762
What are good brands for flannel trousers? Ideally recommend a couple to make it easier to find something viable on ebay

>>15544192
Older Ralph Lauren khakis have a great straight fit, are far more substantial than any Dockers, and are only like 10-20 quid on ebay.

>>15545310
I agree with the other guy, bulk up the tie knot. Try a Shelby.

please rate the the fit/color combo. especially the sweater. Thank you /fa/

>>15545586
You should iron a creas line on the inner pleat and the trousers look very wide for my taste. The color combo is a widespread classic.

>>15545613
pants were not ironed at all ! I need to purchase a new ironing set. Pants are Bill's M2P BTW.

>>15545586
>please rate the the fit/color combo
A solid classic. Toned down but functional. Decent fit.

>>15545621
Your turbodouche head ruins it, though. I hope this was done for a joke pic.

>>15545621
I shouldn't like this, but I do

>>15545629
Gotta agree with this guy. It's TIP between your neck and ankles.

>>15545629

Ok, thank you for your help. I should switch the pleated pants for flat front and wear dark brown loafer instead of sneakers.

I also own similar OCBD in pale yellow and crimson/ white stripe.

What do you mean by toned down ? should I try a darker shade of khaki like british khaki ?

>>15545586
>>15545621
You need to shave the mullet, it looks gross. Buy an electric clipper, hit everything with a #6 and then do #3 on the sides. Repeat each week. Alternatively, go to a barber and ask for an Ivy League.

In the same vein, lose the skeevy facial hair. You're not winning any awards for your facial profile/chin, but you're not doing yourself any favors with what you currently have. Either own it and go clean-shaven or grow a full beard. If you grow a full beard, it's essential that you keep your hair very well trimmed it you'll end up looking like a gas station rat no matter what clothes you're wearing.

I can't tell if the sweater is too short or the shirt is too long, but the tissue paper cuffs look bad.

Don't have the base of the sweater ride over the top of the buckle; it makes you look like you have a stomach (you may very well) and it's better to just let the sweater sit over the belt buckle.

Also I dislike your belt's buckle; the gap in the middle looks weird. Get a belt with a normal buckle.

Good luck.

>>15543465
Reminder that TIP is for Protestant Anglos and Sprezz is for Apostolic Meds. Stay in your lane.

>>15545648
>I should switch the pleated pants for flat front
Personally I prefer pleats, unless it's a heavy fabric like cords or a high-weight tweed.

>and wear dark brown loafer instead of sneakers.
Yeah, that would look good. IMO white sneaks are okay though, that's an Ivy staple.

>What do you mean by toned down ? should I try a darker shade of khaki like british khaki ?
No, I mean it's toned down NOW. The fit you posted isn't very loud or outrageous, it's a quite simple, classic type of fit. Cream and navy is a stable, timeless color combo, you see it used with navy blazers and cream trousers all the time.


Your outfit is fine the way it is, I'm advising you to shave that fuckass pencil moustache and goatee off. IMO that's the main boost you can give your appearance at this moment.

And get rid of those chunky 1980s primary school kid sunglasses. You look like you're about to get humiliated in Mario 3 by Fred Savage's autistic brother.

>>15545662
Thank you for your advices !

>>15545662
>Also I dislike your belt's buckle; the gap in the middle looks weird. Get a belt with a normal buckle.
It looks like a D-ring belt and that's an ivy staple. Nothing wrong with that.

>>15545677
Thank you for your advices ! here the belt I am wearing, I find it /TIP/ as hell !

https://cellarleather.com/shop/handmade-leather-belts/unique-leather-belts/double-ring-leather-cinch-belt/

>>15543355
pls

>>15545909
>>15533429

>>15545621
you look like the kid who got bullied off of /tip/
>>15545662
shut up with this autism

How do you wear this stuff without looking like you're trying to fulfill the dress code for your soul destroying office job

>>15546083
>you look like the kid who got bullied off of /tip/
Other than the hair, no he doesn't plus, that kid posted about a month ago

>>15546108
Wear quality. Other tippers will know.

>>15545909
Trad is traditional formal menswear
Ivy and prep is the look of prep school students

>>15546108
What sort of office do you work at that requires a green tweed three-piece? Or even allows it?

>>15546327
Please don't feed the trolls.

My idea for tomorrow. Beige chinos and either dark brown loafers or dark brown gunboats. Maybe even suede chukkas?

>>15546373
I would go with a white or cream shirt and keep the tie. The drab jacket with the denim/chambray shirt and high contrast tie looks weird and like it's just an accessory you had to slap on to your shirt and tie. Can you put a white shirt underneath just for comparison's sake?

>>15546373
Why are your lapels always so weirdly rolled?

>>15546386
I agree with this.

>>15546391
Eternal mystery.
>>15546386
Noted friendo

Looking for a long sleeve logo-less polo shirt.
I'd get a PRL one because they're decent for the price but already have so much PRL polo shirts and don't want to be the 'polo guy'

>>15545621
Pants are huge and wrinkly. The sweater and belt looks nice

>>15546428
I don't understand. Nobody thinks of anyone as 'the polo guy'. If it's logo less, why would somebody think of you differently if you got one brand over the other? Get a long sleeved knit polo from John Smedley or something or get a rugby shirt.

>>15546490
I ment polo as in the polo ralph lauren brand
I wear a horse on my chest like once or twice a week, i want to reduce that

>>15546428
rlpl

>>15546188
>Trad is traditional formal menswear
Yes it is but it’s also traditional leisure wear and traditional casual wear

>>15546938
You're replying to a burger, for some reason there's always a bunch of them in the general who have absolutely not the faintest clue what formality means and think a henley is formal.

I've never understood this because you'd think that the distinction between formal, semi-formal, informal and casual/sporting would be one of the first things anybody interested in trad menswear would learn, but no, they're here to stay. Best just get used to it.

backpack or briefcase? also what rucksack is good/ recommended?

>>15545138
> The guy who swears by high-waisted pants
> The anti-slim fit guy
> The anti-relaxed fit guy
>The guy who posts his fit and gets mocked
>The lost sprezzatura guy
Me.

>>15546966
Well they do call Oxfords “Derbies”. Robert Frost is also an obnoxious overrated poet with no understanding of British social etiquette

>>15546966
>distinction between formal, semi-formal, informal and casual/sporting
You will arrogantly say this but never actually define or explain said difference.

>>15547185
>>distinction between formal, semi-formal, informal and casual/sporting
>You will arrogantly
Not him but:
>Formal: all wear same color code and dress code; black tie and suit; purpose is to present as a large uniform group within Society; examples Oscars, graduation ceremony
>semi formal: all wear roughly same dress code but no colour code; suits; purpose is to present as a group within Society (but not one that has any need for over-arching in group out group differentiation)
>informal casual: no dress code no colour code: anything goes;

>>15547185
Formal: Morning suit before 6 PM, white tie and evening tails in the evening. Top hat. Court pumps or patent oxfords.

Semi-formal: Black tie. Dinner jacket. Not worn before 6 PM. Same shoes as above. On the continent, there's a morning version called a stroller or Stresemann.

Informal: Lounge suit. Charcoal, mid-grey or navy usually required in standard business attire, "no brown in town", but e.g. a retired veteran wearing a tan suit would normally be seen as this. Waistcoats must match the rest of the suit, ties may be colorful but should not be loud unless you're the manager and can do whatever the hell you want. Plain or cap toe oxfords, Dress boots in poor weather. Penny loafers seem to be acceptable these days if restrained.

Casual/Sporting: Chinos with odd blazers or sportcoats. Tweeds. Countrywear. Knit ties. Anything a prep would regard as playful. Brogues, bucks, beefroll and tassel loafers, tennis shoes.

>>15547239
Jesus Christ, you burger trainwreck.

>>15547239
Ok so further to this
Formality is not a question of wearing Suits vs "Not Suits". Formality is a function of showing group cohesiveness and uniformity within the group. The specific "form" of the "formality", depends on the purpose of the group at any given gathering/event.

For example:
>Golf, requires a dress "Code", usually collared shirt and chino shorts with golfing shoes. This is a level of Formality.
>vs a pickup game of basketball, on a public court, there is no "official" Formality, but because of human nature, most members there will adopt some similar "FORM" of dressing, according first to function and then to in group out group differentiation function.

Whereas:
>Tennis, historically, required white shirts, shorts socks, and shoes, with a wooden racket. All players/members wore this. This is a dress code, and thus this is classified as a "Formal" event.

The point being, Formality, is a function of in group out group differentiation, and this differentiation can be almost completely UNIFORM in its nature (due to the enforcement of an explicit rule) or; it can be subconsciously-derived. The desire to be part of an "in group" is expressed as the adoption of some "form" of "uniformity" however "casual" the function is.

>>15547331
Way too esoteric. You aren't following the higher level of thought here.

>>15547354
>>15547355
>Burgatroyd intensifies

>>15547370

>>15547422
>freedom
>A person can have his life ruined for saying NIGGER all the while people are calling for a white genocide.

Pick what outerwear I should buy based on what clothes I have:

white, gray, light blue oxford shirts
biege, olive chinos; dark blue, black jeans
brown boots and white lowtop sneakers

Thinking of a harrington jacket maybe but what color?

>>15545146
Gay imposter

>>15547658
brown

>>15547658
Navy harrington will work fine with the 2 shades of chinos, and probably fine with jeans.

>>15543529
where is the jacket from?

>>15548310
J.keydge. sadly now defunct French brand. Sometimes pops up on eBay.

>>15547331
>formal
Top hat is optional nowadays, court pumps and patent leather are american aberrations. Maybe not the pumps, but oxfords are much more appropriate nowadays.
>semi-formal
That is pretty good but I though stresemann was informal instead of semi-formal.
>informal
I would add in derby shoes to the lineup. I tend to exclude penny loafers but there is some ambiguity indeed. I would consider it on the same level of wearing brown, though, so if you consider loafers acceptable you may just as well drop the “no brown in town”.
>>15547239
Lol.

>>15548414
Why are you talking about historical reenactment clothing rules.

>>15544472
>trousers are way too long

Long trousers need to make a comeback.

I dislike when I sit down and my pant leg openings ride up. Especially when it is cold in the winter or in over-airconditioned rooms. My office is actually colder in the summer than in the winter and I feel a draft going up my legs, plus my ankles get cold.

I am 6'2" and always wore 34" inseam but I recently bought a couple of 36" inseam trousers to experiment.
At this time I am not yet sure if I will commit to it because I am not used to the bunched up look but from a practical and comfort standpoint I definitely like it.

>>15548414
>>15548414
>court pumps and patent leather are american aberrations
What? I mean, I can agree that court shoes are increasingly uncommon in practice, but they sure aren't an Americanism. Ede & Ravenscroft sell them. Are you thinking of the fact they don't go with a morning suit? I agree with that, I was vague there, I suppose. Even dress boots would be more appropriate than court pumps there.

>I though stresemann was informal instead of semi-formal.
Nah, it's characterized by formal stripe trousers and the appropriate hat is a homburg. It's deliberately a midpoint between a lounge suit and a morning suit, effectively a morning suit with a simpler coat. Not strange that you didn't know though because it's definitely the style that's fallen the most out of use. I don't think you see it at all in Germany anymore.

>I would add in derby shoes to the lineup.
All derbies are casual, except the two-eyelet ones that work for formalwear. I've honestly never seen anything else. One can't really imagine a business suit and a pair of chunky derbies. They're strictly tweed and down.

>I tend to exclude penny loafers but there is some ambiguity indeed. I would consider it on the same level of wearing brown, though, so if you consider loafers acceptable you may just as well drop the “no brown in town”.
I'm really just reporting an observation here. Black penny loafers seem increasingly accepted to wear with a business suit in environments where a guy in a fawn-colored or sky-blue suit would not be. I agree this whole thing is sort of under negotiation right now, though.

>>15547331
I had always thought the formal/ semi formal/ informal hierarchy was a relatively recent Americanism? Formal used to just mean “adhering to a widely accepted set of guidelines.”

I don’t even know how true it is that “formal/ semi formal/ informal” is just a modern way to describe what would have been in the past called “white tie/ black tie/ business suits.” It was common in the past to wear a tux or white tie to an informal event (a house party for example); what made it “informal” was that such dress was appropriate but not required, and such events would often feature a mixture of black tie, white tie, and dark suits.

>>15547354
this guy gets it

>>15549272
>I had always thought the formal/ semi formal/ informal hierarchy was a relatively recent Americanism? Formal used to just mean “adhering to a widely accepted set of guidelines.”
Nope, completely wrong.

>It was common in the past to wear a tux or white tie to an informal event (a house party for example); what made it “informal” was that such dress was appropriate but not required, and such events would often feature a mixture of black tie, white tie, and dark suits.
LMAO no, that was absolutely not common. Mixing levels of formality was *never* common in the past at any time, that's something that's started to show up at modern middle class weddings when guests would show up in the most rarted shit and it was easier for the plebs to just allow it.

Jesus burgers, do at least a modicum of homework when someone spoonfeeds you instead of just barfing some nonsense that got lodged in your head god knows how.

>>15548679
>but from a practical and comfort standpoint I definitely like it.
Damn you’re starting to sound Trad Ivy

>>15549283
ok listen here you little shit, I was trying to have a friendly discussion about an interesting topic but you had to sperg out because someone contradicted you.

History doesn’t fit as nicely into your post hoc generalizations as you want it to. Yes, tuxedos and white tie could be worn to exclusively black tie and exclusively white tie events. This is often how the garmets were used. The wedding of an important family and the Royal Ascot are examples of events with such strict formality.

However, it was also common for people to host fancy events with looser restrictions where guests could wear what they wanted within reason. It was not uncommon to see a mixture of tuxedos and dark suits at a house party or to see a mixture of white tie and tuxedos at a weekday club dinner. Obviously, a good guest at such an event wouldn’t show up in a tweed suit if he knew the hosts would be wearing white tie, but he would have been allowed a small amount of leeway.

I mean for gods sake, the Tuxedo started out as an alternative for edgy people to wear to white tie events. It was literally invented to be mixed with white tie. It wasn’t until a few decades later that black tie exclusive events were even a thing.

TL;DR you are a literal autist if you think the real world of historic formal wear fit into your rigidly defined formal/ semi formal/ informal categories. Yes, there were many pure White Tie and Black Tie events, but it was just as common for hosts to allow their guests a little leeway

just look up vintage Lawrence Fellows illustrations or old photographs- you’ll see a wide mixture of suits, strollers, morning suits, and white tie

>>15549418
>>15549272
That is called "black/white tie optional", which means that the dress code is either white or black tie but if you do not have the means to have a proper outfit, you should try you hardest within possibility to comply, which usually means some sort of dark informal wear. Of course people eventually accepted that as an excuse to wear whatever even though they definitely have the means to wear the proper dress code, which led to this peculiar situation in middle class contexts in the latter part of the 20th century.
>I mean for gods sake, the Tuxedo started out as an alternative for edgy people to wear to white tie events.
That is why I don't like black tie in general, but that is another discussion.

>>15549418
>edgy
Yeah, this is definitely the best way to describe the Prince of Wales. 100%.

(For the non-autists ITT, Bertie invented or rather had Henry Poole invent the DJ as a less formal alternative to white tie fore wearing *at home*, in intimate settings without guests or only the most familiar ones. Then he liked it enough that he always used it when he entertained at home, but he never wore it out or to "an event".)

Navy

>>15549272
>I had always thought the formal/ semi formal/ informal hierarchy was a relatively recent Americanism? Formal used to just mean “adhering to a widely accepted set of guidelines.”
Of course it is, it's highly contextual. For instance, in the States, we have "Formals" which are like graduation dances at the end of high school years. The unwritten dress code is for males to wear suits, and girls to wear dresses. Of course, today, that is not the case, since males are females, and females are males, and it's just a big blur of pc shmagma.

>>15549765
Don't use Prole terms here please.

>>15545304
great jacket and tie.

I think both would look better with a more cream colored shirt though. White is rough with tweed.

>>15545310
if the tie was like yellowish or beige light brown it would work.

Plus fours are breeches or trousers that extend 4 inches (10 cm) below the knee (and thus four inches longer than traditional knickerbockers, hence the name). Knickerbockers have been traditionally associated with sporting attire since the 1860s. Plus fours were introduced in the 1920s and became popular among sportsmen--particularly golfers and game shooters--as they allowed more freedom of movement than knickerbockers.[1]

An "extravagant, careless style that fit right in with the looser fashions and lifestyles of the 1920s," plus fours were introduced to America by Edward, Prince of Wales (later Edward VIII) during a trip in 1924[1].

They were later[when?] brought back to prominence by the professional golfer Payne Stewart who wore them on the PGA Tour (active years 1982-1999).[2]

In 2008, plus fours were featured in André Benjamin's Benjamin Bixby clothing line, which was based on clothing worn by Ivy League athletes in the 1930s

Tweed is a rough, woolen fabric, of a soft, open, flexible texture, resembling cheviot or homespun, but more closely woven. It is usually woven with a plain weave, twill or herringbone structure. Colour effects in the yarn may be obtained by mixing dyed wool before it is spun.[1]

Tweeds are an icon of traditional Scottish and Irish clothing, being desirable for informal outerwear,[2] due to the material being moisture-resistant and durable. Tweeds are made to withstand harsh climates[3] and are commonly worn for outdoor activities such as shooting and hunting, in both Ireland and Scotland. In Ireland, tweed manufacturing is now most associated with County Donegal but originally covered the whole country [4]. In Scotland, tweed manufacturing is most associated with the Isle of Harris in the Hebrides.

>>15549950
The original name of the cloth was tweel, Scots for twill, the material being woven in a twilled rather than a plain pattern. A traditional story has the name coming about almost by chance. Around 1831, a London merchant received a letter from a Hawick firm, Wm. Watson & Sons, Dangerfield Mills about some "tweels". The merchant misinterpreted the handwriting, understanding it to be a trade-name taken from the River Tweed that flows through the Scottish Borders textile area. The goods were subsequently advertised as Tweed and the name has remained since.[5]

>>15549954
>The pic i'm replying to is Tweed Yarn woven in a Herringbone pattern btw
Traditionally used for upper-class country clothing like shooting jackets, tweed became popular among the Edwardian middle classes who associated it with the leisurely pursuits of the elite.[6] Due to their durability tweed Norfolk jackets and plus-fours were a popular choice[7] for hunters, cyclists, golfers and early motorists, hence Kenneth Grahame's depiction of Mr. Toad in a Harris Tweed suit.[8] Popular patterns include houndstooth,[9] associated with 1960s fashion, Windowpane, gamekeeper's tweed worn by academics, Prince of Wales check, originally commissioned by Edward VII, and herringbone.[10]

During the 2000s and 2010s, it was not uncommon for members of long-established British and American land-owning families to wear high quality heirloom tweed inherited from their grandparents, some of which pre-dated the Second World War

>>15543465
Sprezz is halfway between trad and sexcore

>>15543529
Bane?

Thoughts?

rec me some 100 euro jacket

>>15549947
This man is dressed like a clown

any thoughts on military surplus pants? these look absolutely lovely to me but im afraid theyll be hard to pair and rather ill fitting.

>>15550707
don't care. dumb post

>>15550842
Based

>>15550707
That color and material looks totally fine. They're likely to be a larger cut/non-slim fit which isn't such an issue in TIP.

>>15543529
For you

>>15550707
idk but I actually have a few pairs of these on my eBay watch list, so report back with a review if you end up buying them. They seem like the perfect way to get a cheap, well- constructed pair of pants without the guilt of destroying a vintage item with daily wear (because they were so widely produced and are practically worthless)

As long as they fit ok in the waist you could prob get them tailored to fit however you want? I’m sure material would be more than fine by today’s standards

>>15550851
what would i pair them with?

>>15550894
will do, might opt to buy my partner a pair first seeing as theyre a larger fella and will likely flatter them more than they will me. i probably could yeah, that would be nice. have them taken in a little at the knee to give them more shape.

>>15550707
Those are probably fine, I am saying this because of that material and colour.

>>15550707
A mid-brown trouser, hard to pair? 1-800-COME-ON-NOW

what are some movies with good Ivy/Prep inspo?

>>15551159
this is them worn on parade btw

>>15551193
im genuinely not sure what id wear with them.

>>15551194
animal house, any jacque tati film

>>15551202
Literally any tweed coat. Any blazer that isn't grey, black, white or navy as a base color. Any cardigan, aran jumper etc. that isn't black.

How long will it be before KJP gets cancelled for being an avatar of "white supremacy"

>>15551214
literally all my wardrobe but my basic shirts eliminated right there.

>>15551227
kek
It's autumn though, what the f are you going to wear for the next 3-5 months if you literally don't own anything in a natural palette?

>>15551229
most of my wardrobe is navy, black, white, and red. im still building a wardrobe desu.

>>15551221
>being an avatar of "white supremacy"
more like "white privileged upper class", which no one has been cancelled for. If he ever says something remotely racist though he'll get it hard (but I'm guessing his fan base doesn't care)

I guess this is the only thread I can ask this but does anyone know how I can match this pocket square with a business or evening suit? I love the red colours but have no idea what to wear it with.

>>15551237
>im still building a wardrobe desu
Ah okay, that's fair but I should warn you to steer away from black, in trad menswear black is reserved for funerals and evening formalwear (real formalwear, not like the kind of shit the troll ITT is spewing). Besides shoes of course, black shoes are standard.

>>15551221
>KJP
Wtf is that?

>>15551267
It actually looks like complete and utter shit, I cannot imagine how bad your suit must look kek. Wear it if you want to look like a buffoon.

>>15551267

>>15551323
Needlessly salty.

>>15551267
I'm not sure what you mean by evening suit – black and white tie require a white square –, but for regular wear, the thing to remember is that you're not matching it to your jacket. It should *contrast* the jacket first and foremost, and in the second place match your shirt.

>>15551271
i assume these would go nice enough with a black coat? thoughts on those with say a navy cable knit pullover, or a navy pea coat?

>>15551439
I was thinking more of suit to wear at a cocktail party where you can get a bit more creative when I said evening suit. So I'm guessing a dark velvet suit and possibly a pink shirt may look good?

Not sure if this is a good place to ask, but would any of you have any ideas as to what kind of jacket this is?

>>15551550
I mean a dark velvet suit never looks good, but aside from that, sure, that's the principle. As long as the suit itself isn't in a shade of red.

What suit color(s) do you think are more appropriate for a wedding cermony/party?
As a guest ofc

>>15543529
actually decent fit on TIP? Surprising!

>>15551699
That depends on the level of formality of the wedding

>>15550918
>>15550894
>>15550707
Wrong thread. You want the NEO FOLK thread >>15548929

>>15551598
I believe is some variation of the chore jacket.

>>15550707
Aren't those like 40% polyester?

college student here, how do you guys dress casually /tip/? not going to my lecture wearing a tie and blazer, being overdressed is cringy

>>15552038
chinos and shirt. Tuck it in. Loafers/ranger mocs/boat shoes. Really isn't that hard

>>15552038
>being overdressed is cringy
Casual by definition can't be overdressed. Loafers, cords, shirt, tie, tweed sportcoat. Nothing more relaxed exists.

>>15552076
shut up

>>15552076
>cords
>tweed sports coat
>relaxed
>33 with 60% humidity

>>15552083

>>15552038
>being overdressed is cringy
you dont belong here

>>15552076
t. Needs linen in their life

>>15551550
>So I'm guessing a dark velvet suit and possibly a pink shirt may look good?
No

>>15552012
theyre also £7, so i think ill give them a punt given that happens to also make them machine washable.

>>15552038
look into linen and open weave shirts.

>>15551763
no i dont, i want advice on whether or not a particular milsurp can be worn casually, unless you also think submariner sweaters, peacoats, and george boots belong there.

>>15551320
>what is google?

Jesus as soon as I was going to start my wardrobe, I can’t find any white oxfords in stock in my size at Spier, they’re low on everything.

>>15552038
Sometimes I go to lectures with a blazer or even with a summer suit, specially if I have a presentation or something like that. Most of the time I just use a comfy cotton or linen shirt, maybe even a t-shirt, chinos and either derbies or leather sneakers. The only advice I would give is to always wear trousers, never wear printed t-shirts and to ditch the denim.

>>15552038
>Summer
Shirt, long sleeved polos and trousers. Linen and cotton for fabrics.
>Fall
Shirt or crew neck with trousers, harrington jackets. Cotton, wool and flannel for fabrics.
>Winter
Vneck over a shirt, trousers. Duffle coats. Flannel, wool and tweed for fabrics.
>Spring
Same as fall, different colors.
>Shoes
A pair of penny loafers can carry you year round. Get a apair of brogued boots if it gets rainy/snowy. Choose colors approprietly for every season.

>>15551267
maybe a brown suit

>>15552350
>unless you also think submariner sweaters, peacoats, and george boots belong there.
they do

>>15552733
Henry Cavill!

>>15552730

>>15552350
The concept of milsurp is fucked. Trenchcoats and raincoats were milsurp but then everyone saw their use in everyday life. Sweaters, turtlenecks, cardigans, double breasted overcoats, khakis, ties and scarves, wristwatches and chukka boots were all considered milsurp at some point in time. Now they are all part of ivy. As long as you're not wearing camo or cargo pants or some 1960's soviet greatcoat I doubt anybody's gonna make the connection.
>>15552850
Hey Cecil

>>15552733
>>15552850
Henry Cavill isn't 5'6

>>15552953
Hey!

>>15552955
Chad is 6'2".

>>15552953
cope

>>15552733
Paul Newmanpilled

>>15552733
It's not an ocbd.

>>15552987
That's what makes this fit good

>>15552730
>ditch the denim
Why does denim get so much hate?

>>15552978
If he's 6'2 then 7'2

wish me luck

>>15550894
will do, anon. dont expect the fit to be stellar tho, wardrobes something im still working on and ideally i could do to drop a lbs or 20.

>>15552953
my thoughts too desu, anon. i like my £30 sanders george boots and aint no cunt clocking them as military unless they are military.

>>15553128
Cool, the ones in the middle have a rather wide waist compared to the other ones, though

>>15553098
Breh you attacking a fit because someone isn't a certain height? He looks good, regardless of whatever height he is.

>>15553128
Post your results when they come in

>>15553221
No, his fit is basically perfect. I'm just saying he's not the same size as Henry Cavill.

>>15553285
You have no idea how tall he is, jealousy isn't the fit you should be wearing :o)

>>15553214
yeah, the partners a rather sizeable fella

>>15553233
will do my dood

>>15553292
I do have some idea, I looked at the photo. Either he's got 1) a giant head and a giant belt buckle, 2) T-Rex arms, pants halfway up to his pecs and a giant belt buckle, or 3) he's 5'6.
>>15552985
Paul Newman was 5'9 and from the two photos it looks like Newman has slightly longer arms. Plus if you just look at the picture you can tell he's ~5'6.

I already said his fit was top tier, I don't know why you're pissing yourself.

>>15552733
is it ok to wear shirts like this?

>>15553499
>normies think that tucked shirts aren't okay
I have no hope for you

>>15553499
What are you, 16?

>>15553459
I'm 1.77m (5ft10 I think) how do you even get 5ft6 lmao
>>15553499
No.

>>15553519
no but i havent had an occasion to wear one since 16 for anything but personal preference.

>>15553508
i mean with the poofing out to the side. i was under the impression a shirt should be tight against your hips where it tucks in.

What are you wearing on your feet.

>>15553532
The leather and laces look like shit.

>>15553535
Your face looks like shit.

Where do you buy decent basic t-shirts for days you aren't wearing shirts? Struggling to find some which don't cost as much as my dress shirts.

thought I like this style I think it would be pretentious and larpy to sport it unless you're actually wealthy and/or run in these kinds of circles

>>15553576
No it wouldn't lol wearing chinos, an ocbd and a jumper on top isn't "pretentious"
>NOOOO WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO DRESS WELL?
I really feel like you're a leftist or centrist, just saying.

>>15553521
>1.77m
Yeah that's basically 5'10; you're roughly the same height as my brother. I got 5'6 by eyeballing your forearm length, so honestly I'm pretty happy with ~4 inch error.

Out of curiosity, do you know your wingspan? I'm guessing it's -1 on your height. Also how long is your forearm? I'm guessing ~10 inches.

>>15553532
lmao how wide are your feet wtf

>>15553562
thrift them

>>15553631
I hate wide feet, they're fucking disgusting and hurt my eyes

>>15550894
oh by the way i came across these earlier, they may be of interest to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWWfJ3A1UBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un_l2l2LDfY
both of these channels have a video on the RAF and infantry no.2 pants respectively.

>>15553530
>a shirt should be tight against your hips where it tucks in
That's mostly a marketing ploy to sell less fabric and create the demand for needless changes of a garment that's been around since Ancient Egypt and has remained mostly the same for the last 200 years. Shirts used to be undershirts worn underneath vests so you wouldn't see the sides. When vest became less popular after WW2 shirts stayed the same and the "poofing" became common and nobody seemed to mind. It's okay to have it sit tight at the hips and then open up as it goes up to the armpits but you can only find that bespoke.
>>15553598
I don't know man, I don't go around measuring my forearms most days.

>>15553713
see that makes sense to me. it always felt natural to have the shirt sort of fold in on itself near the waistband so i have a little folded fabric that can unfold if i stretch without pulling my shirt up, if that makes any sense.

> https://www.instagram.com/oxfordclothbuttondown/

What the fuck went wrong with that guy ?

>>15551951
Thank you

>>15553532
What the fuck are those laces.

>>15550707
>>15550894
Word of warning, the blended material and fairly thin cloth mean they aren't all that warm.
Honestly it's weird seeing someone even think about wearing them as part of a /tip/ ensemble
t. used to wear them as a cadet

Who makes decent cords? I'm trying to get a few pair for the fall. I'm in the US btw.

>>15554084
paul stuart

>>15553233
Please don’t you’re in the wrong thread. Go away

>>15554185
>poster tries experimenting within /tip/
>actually follows through on his posts, spends money on some new stuff
>is nicely asked to let us know how it turns out, promises he will

how is this bad, jackass? at least he's contributing something

>>15553676
I appreciate it anon but I unfortunately don’t understand Japanese. I at least know the specific names of the pants to search for not though

>>15554185
anon is literally just buying earth tone trousers. how is that not /tip/? If they turn out to be ok quality then great; if not then we all learn what to avoid. why are you so needlessly salty?

>>15554185
based

i just swallowed the tradpill via epiphany

Should chinos(not khakis!) Be cuffed or hemmed to the proper height?

>>15544166
ahahahahahah holy shit years later and the self-proclaimed "preps" are still posting this pic as genuine inspo
good to see the fits in these threads are still embarrassing to the point of hardly even being considered fashion

>>15554487
Hemmed

>>15554379
Expand please
>>15554487
Cuffed of course
No one in tip is buying surplus military trousers, there are two other generals for that
Neo folk and milspo
>>15554224
>? at least he's contributing something
Yes, but to the wrong thread. Jackass

>>15554586
>beep boop
>RULE VIOLATION! RULE VIOLATION!
>RULES ARE TO BE FOLLOWED EXPLICITLY. NO DEVIATIONS ALLOWED

>>15554591
see >>15550842

>>15554586
If he just bought them and posted his fit you wouldn't even have noticed that they are military surplus.

>>15554821

MIlitary surplus is designed to literally withstand war, its not breathable, or designed to be worn casually in a tip setting. You're in the wrong place

My fit for my birthday

>>15554586
>Yes, but to the wrong thread.

>>15554843
The dress uniform is designed to be worn on parade or in the mess, you are talking about the field uniform. What this guy linked are literally just brown pants.

>>15553989
they looked really nice. as someone who had experience with them what are they like?

>>15554246
use auto-generated subs senpai, its what i did. also it shows them wearing them.

>>15554918
quite good for my taste, but i personally like less flashy colors. Also, any tips on how to get that hairstyle?

>>15554918
nice anon. what's the shirt?

>>15554918
Jacket/shirt mismatch is quickly remedied by the chad appearance. Solid. Even the silly tie does not kill the fit.

>>15553530
>shirt should be tight against your hips where it tucks in.
A shirt should fit you well. Tucked in neatly looks smooth as fuck, rather militarily (if that is a word). The military uses shirt holders for that. With age, starting at 25-30y, you will feel more comfortable in wider shirts that do something against transpiration and stuff. Your super slim, toned body is revealed in your movement.

>>15555144
>Your super slim, toned body is revealed in your movement.
i wish. alas, im in need of a few fork putdowns and more walks which blisters from ill fitting shoes have sadly put a temporary stop to. loake etons might look pretty but the heel slippage on them is hell at times.

>>15553532
Laces and captoes look rough. The split in the derby may tell you that the shoe is too small or just ill-fitting. I dig the choice of shoes, and the pants especially.

how do i get my shoulder measurements right on a blazer?

>>15555187
You can measure it directly on the shoulder seam of a shirt from the collar to the sleeve.
Compare it when wearing the shirt, though: the sleeve seam should start where your shoulder ends, not hang on your arm

>>15555349
huh?

>>15555349
huh? how does that work? i assumed id need to measure from shoulder tip to shoulder tip somehow.

>>15555426
I didn't understand what you wanted to do exactly. Back width and shoulder width are a different thing. Can we get a picture or something so that we are talking about the same thing?

>>15555468
i dont really have a picture, i just notice that a lot of coats labelled 38 are way too loose on my shoulders, but anything i try labelled a 36 seems way too tight on the chest. what measurements should i look for when it comes to getting a good fit on the shoulder, and how do i get them because usually i see the shoulder measurement given in a relatively similar size to the chest.

>>15555486
The perils of OTR with a non-standard frame.
Measurements come in handy when you're getting things tailored but for OTR best bet is to try things on and get a feel for them. So many manufacturers use vanity sizing that going off of '38' is nothing more than a rough guess at the size. Make sure the shoulders fit perfectly, almost everything else can be adjusted but they aren't worth it. Either lined up with your shoulder joint or a slight bit past. There are all kinds of cuts of jackets available so try on a ton of different ones to see what works for you.
If you really want shoulder measurements go to a tailor and get them done by a professional.

Wallabees. Yes or no?

where can I buy flannel trousers that are around 130 euros and 11oz? I don't want some faggy italian shit that will break as soon as it rains

>>15555839
You will need to spend more but scavini is good.

>>15554918
I like how your shit-eating grin comes out even through the anonymizing doodle. The shirt is good also.

>>15555984
isn't there something that's at least below 200?

>>15556080
Unfortunately wool isn't cheap. Maybe luxire.

>>15544540
I get my boat shoes soaking wet in the rain fairly frequently. They're fine, and I have two pairs I bought 8 years ago in rotation.

>>15554918
I like the tie ! Hermès ?

Where might I find a good d-ring belt?

>>15555814
Yes

>>15556734
Belted Cow

>>15555814
>Wallabees
No. Call them what they are though: Mocassins with a crepe sole. Moccasins are tip, crepe soles are not really; especially when they look like this. You’re better off going with some blucher Mocs if yo want to remain in the tip realm

>>15556614
It’s vineyard vines, believe it or not.
Even if you don’t like vineyard vines they have a good collection of silk casual ties that go great with classic blazers.

>>15555082
>>15556028
It is a linen brooks brothers candy stripe or braid stripe shirt. I used to have a similar one from vineyard vines (before they fucked up their shirting and went baby-collar) but I was stupid and got rid of it because i didn’t wear it, now I realize it was a good piece.

>>15555078
This hairstyle was me telling a talented twenty dollar barber to give me This haircut but slightly longer in the back becuase I want to grow it in, just with even length. Jude Law cut, not Matt Damon.

>>15554918
Here’s another fit of mine

>>15557457
Broad stripe,
Nvm here’s the exact shirt
https://www.brooksbrothers.com/Milano-Fit-Stripe-Irish-Linen-Sport-Shirt/MG03166,default,pd.html?dwvar_MG03166_Color=GREN&contentpos=16&cgid=

I actually go to HYP unlike the rest of you larpers. AMA.

>>15557469
Based

>>15557494
Why are you such an embarrassment?

>>15557469
Is that a fucking tshirt what the fuck is wrong wit you.

this doesnt work, does it?

>>15554918
nouveau riche wannabe

>>15558024
I can tell you aren't rich.

>>15558119
=====>
new thread
>>15558141

>>15556966
Are you certain about that?

>>15558119
keep telling yourself that
.tpatrician

>>15558166
>prole.exe

>>15558119
Why does it matter? This is/fa/ not /soc/

Anyway it's very declassé to be obsessing over who is rich or not.

>>15558248
cope seethe

>>15557784
There are pictures of tshirts under sweaters in those pictures those Japanese guys took at Ivy campuses in the 60s you guys obsess over so I don’t want to hear it.